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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #30 on: 09-06-2010, 11:06:00 »
These aren't the droids we're looking for. Move along.



I'm going to vote D66 today.

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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #31 on: 09-06-2010, 13:06:04 »

You will vote for GroenLinks.
Is that a prediction, or an order? =p

Once I know what I'll be (or have) voted on I'll let you people know.  Too bad my brother is home this week or I could have used his vote and casted one on D66 and one on GroenLinks...  xD

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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #32 on: 09-06-2010, 13:06:51 »
I have the feeling D66 going to have allot of votes, almost all my friends vote D66.
I voted VVD, It was on second place in my "stemwijzers". I am Not going to vote PVV.
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #33 on: 09-06-2010, 13:06:54 »
Always in motion is the future. Such predictions I cannot make.

Is was more like friendly persuading ;D
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #34 on: 09-06-2010, 14:06:14 »
I have the feeling D66 going to have allot of votes, almost all my friends vote D66.
I voted VVD, It was on second place in my "stemwijzers". I am Not going to vote PVV.

I'd be pleased with a large D66, and hopefully a progressive cabinet as a result.

The online tests such as Stemwijzer and Kieskompas aren't that useful besides general orientation. The topics they bring up can't really be ansered with "(Hell) yes", "dunno" or  "(hell) no".  I ended up with Partij van de Dieren (PvdD) with one, and the other... I forgot. Ofcourse it listed my favourit parties in the top 4 or so.  But simply looking at the result and picking number one or two wouldn't be an informed thing to do. At the very least it requires looking at the comments on why parties are for or against a certain item and what it ctually is they want. One party may be listed as "No, unless this and that" while an other says "Yes, but we don't want this and that"  and actually sharing a nearly identical viewpoint.  So the whole for/against thing is a bit misleading. I myself (and others I spoke with) couldn't realy answer the questions with  a simple yes or no either... so I  chose "neutral/dunno " quite a bit or shamelessly simplified the meaning behind a question aswell as the answer.

The VVD is cutting spending in too many areas if you ask me, it is known for the "partij voor de ondernemers/rijken" voor a reason.   Though with a bit of luck they'll give at some points such as the hypotheek rente aftrek (say: let's stick to D66s and PvdA's plan for it, in return we won't introduce a 60% tax rate for the most highest of incomes) or various other proposed cuts.

Always in motion is the future. Such predictions I cannot make.

Is was more like friendly persuading ;D
Hehe, alright.

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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #35 on: 09-06-2010, 15:06:42 »

You will vote for GroenLinks.
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #36 on: 09-06-2010, 15:06:01 »
Stop.

He will not, he will vote D66.
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #37 on: 09-06-2010, 16:06:24 »
I'm too lazy to translate this right now (well too bus actually, trying to find that bit of information that can help me make decide on wether to vote for D66 or GL), but here's something from the Cool Dutch CLub over at FF:

Ik weet het nog steeds niet...  De verschillen zijn klein, op sommige punten neig ik naar D66, op andere naar GL.

Vorige keer D66 (en SP) gestemt... dus mischien deze keer de kans geven aan GL... of D66 "belonen" ARGHHHHHHhhhhh. Had ik maar een tweede stemkaart.

Neem de verschillen:
Hypotheekrenteaftrek: D66 wilt de naar de 30% brengen, GL ook, en op termijn afschaffen. Is mij om het even, in iederval naar die 30% en dan zien we wel weer wat verstandig is (woningen moeten wel betaalbaar blijven).
AOW: Beide willen naar 67 in een jaar of tien. GL laat "vroege starters" stoppen na 45 dienstjaren. AL neem ik aan dat D66 dit ook wel zou steunen.
Zorg: D66 is voor marktwerking maar met mate (zorg moet boven winstbelang gaan), GL is tegen en redeneert ongeveer hetzelfd: zorg op 1, winst moet geen hoofdrol spelen. D66 vetrouwt hier meer op de markt en GL benadert dit met iets meer wantrouwen jegens de markt (artijen die winst willen maken). Ook lastig.. concurrentie zal vast helpen maar ik vetrouw al die managers niet... dus neig ik naar GL al heeft D66 ook wel een punt.
Ontslagrecht: D66 wil dit simpeler/flexibeler. GL is tegen. Ook een lastige. Flexibiliteit is belangrijk, een bedrijf moet een prutser er uit kunnen gooien, en dus geen rare situaties waar het goedkoper is mensen maar in dienst te laten ofzo. Anderzijds, een bedrijf moet niet zomaar mensen opstraat gooien (en nieuwe mensen inhuren in hun plaats) om een paar extra eurootjes en een bonus... Flexibel maar rechtvaardig zou mijn uitgangspunt zijn... dit is ietsje meer richting D66 meen ik...
Wegen / vervoer: Beide zijn voor thuiswerken, Openbaar vervoer, fiets.. GroenLinks wil echter enkele flessenhalsen niet aanpakken. Hier en daar een rondweg aanleggen die al 20 jaar geleden had moeten komen sluiten ze uit (A4 middendeland bijvoorbeed). Zelf wil ik een goede doorstroming: aanpakken van de knelpunten zoals flessenhalsen waar je een aantal kilometer van 3 naar 2 en dan weer 3 rijstroken gaat. Maar om nu er ruimhartig te zijn met nieuwe wegen... nee, dat ook niet. Nieuwe wegen slippen zo weer vol... D66 ligt hier meer op mijn pad, al is de kans dat zij met bepaalde VVD voorstellen qua infrastructuur iets te snel ja zeggen, GroenLinks wil mischien wel water bij de wijn doen en komt dan op zo'n beetje hetzelfde als D66 uit.
Conclusie: Waar zitten de risico's? D66 kan wellicht nu en dan iets doorslaan op liberaal economisch vlak, en GL op het gebied van natuur en milieu.
 
Dat zijn zo'n beetje de punten die ik me kan bedenken.. al met al, onder de einstreep score beide ongeveer gelijk.  :( / :)

ARGHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh

Quick translation/summary: With D66 there is the risk of them going too far in the liberal economical spectrum, and with GL when it comes to issues with the enviroment.  So do I rather have them liberalising the economics too much or them letting "green" outranking other important goals? 
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #38 on: 09-06-2010, 17:06:14 »
As long as Labour with Cohen doesn't win it's fine by me. VVD, D66, CDA and maybe GL for a majority.
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #39 on: 09-06-2010, 17:06:57 »
I rather have Cohen (PvdA or Labour) as PM then Rutte (VVD or Liberals). I find the VVD too liberal when it comes to economics, they don't call it the "party for businessmen" for nothing :p . Though the PvdA is a bit too conservative when it comes to economic reforms. But overall I'd rank them:

1-2: D66 and GL
3: PvdA
4: Tricky one... in some areas the VVD has nice, liberal and progressive points but in others it goes too far, the SP would be more social in many aspects. So... either of those depnding on what they'd be willing to hand in for a coalition position.

Right now I'm leaning towards GL... though I do disagree with their view on nuclear energy... as a last resort it should be considered, though renewable energy obviously is prevered. But if I have to chose between coalplants and such or a nuclear power plant (or even an energt crisis), then I'd go with nuclear power.  That and they better build that A4 middendelfltand.  As I have voted D66 previously (and I think in the EU parliamential elections aswell... can't remember, perhaps it was SP or PvdA...) I'm willing to give GL tmy vote this time around... damn it, just give me two votes! I do see both potential good and bad points with either party.  

A new purple cabinet (PvdA, VVD, D66, GroenLinks) would be quite nice. :) Though PvdA, CDA, D66 and GL wouldn't be bad either if the CDA gave in enough, but that's rather unlikely. VVD, CDA, D66 and GL is also an acceptable option, aslong as they don't lean too much towards capitalism/economic-liberalism.
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #40 on: 09-06-2010, 18:06:57 »
Trust me, if it is either neo-capitalists or left-green, then always go for the latter!
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #41 on: 09-06-2010, 18:06:28 »
I don't trust you.

I stand with Eglaerinion, anyone but Cohen lol.
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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #42 on: 09-06-2010, 18:06:46 »
If you don't like either side and want to vote, don't pick up the lesser good - just make your vote invalid. I do that and have clear conscience from that.

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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #43 on: 09-06-2010, 18:06:43 »
Trust me, if it is either neo-capitalists or left-green, then always go for the latter!

Don't vote for econazi's !

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Re: Dutch parliamentary elections comming up
« Reply #44 on: 09-06-2010, 19:06:45 »
Don't vote for econazi's !

Eco-Nazis? ^^
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