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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4005 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:46 »
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Its an Educracy.. And obviously, i will not (and its even impossible) to lead alone... i will have people on the goverment assets than shall worry themselfes about the best ways to make a "corn to grow from seed to harvest" at their fastest way, by using tecnology than the goverment can provide. You will not see farmers anymore. Instead, you see atleast 1 guy monitorizig the machines in order for them to not get screwed up (and then you undertand why its possible for people to work 2 days a week and still have a big farm growing up winout a single man shoveling the sand.)

That is not answering Henrique...

You have no idea how to do farming do you? How are you supposed to trust your agriculture minister or sort if you want to totally tell the 30-years experienced farmer that they will have 2 days a week to work?


That 30 years experienced farmer wakes up everyday, and keeps working on his farm by artesanal means. Why? because he doesnt have money to put up machinery making the work for him.

But if the goverment does that for him, it increases production, and saves him work.. hoewer, lets say he really loves his job, and wants to keep up working handly even if he knows than its much better/productive to put up machinery doing the job for him - then yes, he can do it, and the goverment will give bonuses for those who make adicional work.



Clearly Henrique you are totally clueless, you forgot that the vehemently religious people doesn't want to be lead by a prostitute's son. Because, that is still an issue for those conservative people. They will actively fight against you. Now, have you think of this?

I don't want to tell you what the Muslim says about prostitute. Your life experience is shitty enough.

Portuguese politics its not the same as in the U.S.A... also, its called respect. I cant be stopped of doing anything just because my mother is an prostitute, and some religious group thinks than thats bad.

You cant judge people by were they came, but what they are. Its ridiculous for anyone to tell than im a piece of shit because my mother is an prostitute. That is the lowest level argue against someone's desires than i could ever receive from someone.

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« Reply #4006 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:45 »
Continuing, And who would make those Ferraris in those factories, and please, don't say TECHNOLOGY, because that's not an answer, thats just you being retarded, and you obviously have no idea about pretty much anything, not even talking about making Ferraris.

If you can improve/program machines to auto-produce ferraris, food, or anything else, why not? so yeah: tecnology is the answer. Basicaly, tecnology and auto-production will be the bases of Climaxist economy.

(as you can calculate, farmers dont exist, but yes people who manage the machines in order to produce the food. and those people surely dont need to be 24/7 managing machines in order to ensure an good production)

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« Reply #4007 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:54 »
Dont expect much out of life
Dont think to much
go out and have fun

Those are the 3 ingredients towards happiness.

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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4008 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:27 »
Dont expect much out of life
Dont think to much
go out and have fun

Those are the 3 ingredients towards happiness.

True, but its even better if you can really go out to any place you really want to go, winout restrictions like the fact than you dont have money for it, or you cant be too late for working tomorow.

"go out and have fun"

"ah shit: dont have enough money to go to cinema/whatever"

"No worries: here in Portugal, you are free to do whatever you want winout money."

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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4009 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:41 »
Make sure these are mandatory in your new portugal and hand them out to everyone like priests gave out Mein Kampf at peoples' weddings



Yeah, except it's not free to do anything in portugal. And Theta wasn't talking about that, you missed the point completely.
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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4010 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:36 »



Yeah, except it's not free to do anything in portugal. And Theta wasn't talking about that, you missed the point completely.

(i did understood Theta's message: instead of thinking too much about changing the world, why dont forguet about this, go out and have fun? fuck the world - lets have fun!)

I just have an "Climaxist taste" to his message - nothing else.

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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4011 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:49 »
No machines cant do that. Machines are not magic like you think. And even if they could do those things your country would not be able to afford a full mechanization to the point you're suggesting.

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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4012 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:56 »
If you can improve/program machines to auto-produce ferraris, food, or anything else, why not? so yeah: tecnology is the answer. Basicaly, tecnology and auto-production will be the bases of Climaxist economy.

You can't, that's the whole point, You're completely clueless, but yes, i know, TECNOLOGY!!!!!!!!!!! I told you specifically not to use that word and you did, wow.

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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4013 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:02 »
If you can improve/program machines to auto-produce ferraris, food, or anything else, why not? so yeah: tecnology is the answer. Basicaly, tecnology and auto-production will be the bases of Climaxist economy.

You can't, that's the whole point, You're completely clueless, but yes, i know, TECNOLOGY!!!!!!!!!!! I told you specifically not to use that word and you did, wow.




Ok: so why do you claim bein impossible to have such tecnology has the bases of an economy of a country?

You think such machinery is impossible to build? is that your reason?

Or you think machines will turn against the mankind and bein resposnable for the world war 3?

 i dont know if you are aware, but the goverment will not have any costs on the research and production of such tecnology due to Climaxism, and you dont need to worry about "uneployment" in a climaxism, thats not a treath.

(Industrial Revolution brough the uneployment consequence - due to the Capitalism system.)

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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4014 on: 11-05-2014, 13:05:57 »
I don't check the forums for 24 hours, and all this happens. Will read the rest of it later.

Also, I got a new signature.
I see were you are trying to reach: "how can a 17 year old kid have such a thinking like this? why doesnt he wants to be like normal teens who whana get rich? and his plan actually makes sense, but is too damn revolutionary and good at the same time than is still doubthfull if it works..." - Damaso

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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4015 on: 11-05-2014, 14:05:00 »
First of what the fuck is climaxism.


Secondly, even if something is doable IT COSTS FUCKING MONEY. You cannot make everything free without machinery first and you cannot have machinery free from day one. And all that research takes money, researchers will not simply try find the solution without any pay because you are a good boy. Since the "climaxism" as you call it is not already in use as we have capitalism your plan is not doable the way you have formed it currently.


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« Reply #4016 on: 11-05-2014, 14:05:45 »
the simple, heart breaking, soul shattering, plan-destroying truth... y'all need MONEY.
Socialist/communist states tried the "no money needed" system, i.e. have everything granted by the state, and it failed miserably, because they lived on credits/loans. Economy suffers, and people become even lazier selfrighteus fucktards who steal whatever they want.

No, you can't give everyone what they want. Because that would mean that you'd need to give me billions worth of stuff, like a WW2 tank, dozens of guns, ammo to last me a lifetime and my own chopper to fly to work with. Not to mention my villa surrounded by trenches and bunkers which serve as a WW1/2 reenactment area. Lol.
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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4017 on: 11-05-2014, 14:05:22 »
We should get paid by the current Portuguese government for keeping Damaso busy here and therefore saving the country from a crazy kid who thinks he will become the future dictator of Portugal.

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« Reply #4018 on: 11-05-2014, 14:05:26 »
First of what the fuck is climaxism.


Secondly, even if something is doable IT COSTS FUCKING MONEY. You cannot make everything free without machinery first and you cannot have machinery free from day one. And all that research takes money, researchers will not simply try find the solution without any pay because you are a good boy. Since the "climaxism" as you call it is not already in use as we have capitalism your plan is not doable the way you have formed it currently.

As i calculated, the only problem was the cost (at least, thats what you tough)

Obviously, most of you dont have a single idea in how im going to bypass from a Capitalist system to a Climaxist one, leading you to thinking than it will be an civil war, and people shall hand up all of their money to the goverment, otherwise they get killed.. but no, stuff doesnt work that way.

I do have a plan for that already, who doesnt envolve a massive genocide or a war between Capitalists and Non-capitalist. if that was your problem, then its already solved, and it will surely work.

Do you want me to share the plan with you? or you whana keep saying how terrorising i am for taking out people's money in order to give them a way better life?

the simple, heart breaking, soul shattering, plan-destroying truth... y'all need MONEY.
Socialist/communist states tried the "no money needed" system, i.e. have everything granted by the state, and it failed miserably, because they lived on credits/loans. Economy suffers, and people become even lazier selfrighteus fucktards who steal whatever they want.

No, you can't give everyone what they want. Because that would mean that you'd need to give me billions worth of stuff, like a WW2 tank, dozens of guns, ammo to last me a lifetime and my own chopper to fly to work with. Not to mention my villa surrounded by trenches and bunkers which serve as a WW1/2 reenactment area. Lol.

Panzerknacker, do you want the goverment to be able to give to the people replicas of Little Bomb and Fat Man nukes as well?

(there are obviously some restrictions at the start of Climaxism since it cant be instantly done.. but with the time, stuff could improve. Each citizen is limited to an amount of items he can own, but such amount can eigther increase or decrease acordying to his professional choices and actions for the society. its impossible for a person to get EVERYTING of the world.. but indeed, he can be much better than he was back on Capitalism system.)

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Re: Post something happy that happened to you
« Reply #4019 on: 11-05-2014, 14:05:50 »
Exact question:
Did you already consider where the idea of wages is coming from in a capitalist system?
Wages are the compensation the employee receives. In most cases, this is a share in the extra wealth created by his employment in that function, minues a part for the leader of the project who runs the greatest risk. Yet the share is kapt fair in most sectors, or the employee will work for himself and become a new competitor of the employer.
Why is the quantity of a wage important? To see what you can buy for you wage ==> importance of prices. Prices are set by availability and demand.

Now, back to your system in relation with outside capitalism. A road worker, Carlo, who works 2 days per week and works, let say 6 hours during those days, wants a Ferrarri, an Aston Martin, a Jaguar and a castle with an olympic pool and a cinema. I think i'm very optimistic if a put a price tag of 10 million Euro on this.

Now what will happen:
let's say Carlo creates 1000 euro wealth for your nation this way (this number is already prety optimistic, but dispute it if you want. I think this is an optimistic estimate, and then I didn't even yet take into account that fact that people will work a lot less hard since they don't benefit personally fom working harder). Carlo doesn't get money, the governement gets the wealth and redistributes it to someone who wants something. Carlo wants to have the things mentioned above, so he can be like his colleagues, who also have these 3 cars and a similar castle.
The countries outside Portugal, will notice that suddenly, they have orders to send 3 million Ferrarris to Portugal. What will Ferrarri do? They can't produce enough Ferrarris in time, so they will raise the price. But the demand stays the same! So what does Ferrarri do? Raise the price. Demand is still the same, so? Raise once more. In no time, certain car types will cost several millions, since your population doesn't feel the impact of external price raises. Your econmy will bleed dead in no time.
Now, let's say All the business you order with, have bad managers, don't care capitalism and have more than enough production to supply all of your citizens (quod non). Carlo produces 1000 euro wealth to you nation per month. At current prices, he still wants over 500 000 euro in cars. This means he would have to work about 42 years before he created the wealth that would be sufficient to buy these cars. Then, he didn't yet work for his castle, the food he eats (will be expensive food, since he doesn't case the price of food anyway, he gets what he wants), the oil he uses in his expensive cars (yes, sportscars waste oil like hell) and even more important, he will want other cars before those 42 years have passed. Some cars will have broken down and Carlo will want a better car as replacement.

So the main question: How will you make wealth like magic, in order to get the needed goods to satisfy the wishes of your population?

Simple: we start to own an economical empire outside of Portugal.

The goverment would hold business outside Portugal, and the income of those business would come rigth to the pockets of the Portuguese nation. Previous owners who would sell their business to us would get themselfes pretty satisfied with the payment/gains than the Portuguese Goverment would give to them. Also, the income of the tourism would be good to us as well. AND we could also make some exportations as well for very low prices but high quality.

As you can see, with an Climaxist system, the Goverment doesnt waste his money with his people (no need to pay for people who dont need money anymore in order to have what they want) and so, the goverment wouldnt have expenses (exept for buying the goods than the population requests from outside, and investing in such economical empire). ALSO, the goods of such business would come free to the country
Ex:
Portuguese goverment buyed Ferrari - so Ferrari cars will be free to our people, and we could easily put ferrari factories in Portugal in order to the production satisfies the needs of the population. Hoewer, some products migh be restrict as well: at the first day Climaxism is implemented, is impossible for everyone to have 3 ferraris at the start - but if it keeps up the growt, it will reach a point in wich we can make that possible.

In few moths/years, our goverment could pay the debths we already have and find it impossible to pay in a capitalism system, and we could at the same time keep increasing the quality of life of the people.

(Oh and btw: you spoke about Oil... well, due to obvious reasons, Portugal will work on the development of veicles (as well as sport cars) who can actually work with no Oil (you know: eletronic ones wich the big oil bussinessman dont apreciate at all.)

I hope that answered you.. any more questions? (if you have any doubth, make me know)

Simple facts: Portuguese state is poor as hell, when you come to power, you will be kicked out of the EU, and your wealth will cash down even faster. Where will you then get the resources to take over those factories? Secondly, those factories are expensive like hell, you do not buy Ferrarri with a few billions, especially not when they have the outlook of a giant new market that hungers for them. Thirdly, even if you were able to take over Ferrarri, then you are faced with the fact that once many people got their ferrarri, ferrarris are now to usual and they want another car, now they all want to have a Pagani Zonda. And when you buy Pagani, everyone will have a Pagani and they no longer like it, now they want a Bugatti Veyron, ...

"To hold businesses outside Portugal"
Then you are again working with the capitalist system and you have to pay wages, which your economy can't support.

"Tourism income would be high"
Incorrect, it your system would scareof every European. Your system is further going than communism. And I know very few Europeans that say "Hey i wanna go to North Korea" or "Hey, I wanna go to Cuba". Both are beautiful countries, yet the different political system scares us off, and even if it wouldn't, western propaganda will make us scared of it.

"Exportations at very low prices but high quality"
Nonsense. High quality will be extremely hard to achieve considering your employees are not professional enough. No matter what they study, they'll only work 2 days per week, so they don't care their studies. Once they become professional, they will work too few a week to get to the most skilled level (2 days per week is far too few to be among the best) and at their work, they don't care either they work hard or not, because it doesn't maka a difference to them, but to the state. People want personal apreciation.
Cheaper also won't happen, since you would give the population a higher wealth than they already have, and even now your country can't hold its money without the EU and the IMF. Higher wealth means more expenses. Also, you won't export shit cheap, since everything will be taxed as from outside the EU (EU economy protection, yes you will be kicked out of the EU, your ideas are in no way conform any EU related idea). This means you will compete almost equally with China, India, Bangladesh, ... And no, you won't be able to get cheaper than them and make a wealth for everyone like you wish.

About the oil, if Carl wants a Ferrarri, he doesn't want an electric car. You can't compare these.

And to conclude something else: If you rise to power, everyone with money and a higher education will fleeyour country, because they know that they will get better in a capitalist country in their situation. This will leave you with only a poor and low educated level of the population. And if you check the history of Africa, you will see where it will go.

I'd say study some economy and history, you need it. And when you know the economical basics and learned from mistakes in history, you will see that what you wite here is nonsense that will demolish your country and cause an awful lot of deaths.
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