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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #150 on: 24-03-2011, 18:03:22 »
Don't kill me if this has already been discussed. But I think at least one more face mesh/texture for the italian team would be good. Its a little weird seeing an army of clones of the same moustached guy.

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« Reply #151 on: 24-03-2011, 19:03:44 »
Could replace the marder III on Mareth. That map already has the sahariana anyway. They can also bring back some Italian infantry kits like they had in the first version of mareth back in 2.1.
Correct.(on both things)

Should we ever see some italian Dual purposed guns, we can always see them on the static role aswel

Both the 75mm as 90mm where used alot

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« Reply #152 on: 24-03-2011, 21:03:50 »
indeed, but I'd certainly like the obice da 102, powerful, and as apt to destroy a matilda as a 88
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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #153 on: 24-03-2011, 21:03:37 »
Um, the 90mm would have had higher velocity, and be even more apt to do so...it was superior to the 88mm....

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« Reply #154 on: 24-03-2011, 22:03:24 »
the 88 was the most deployed DP gun, but defiantly not the best ye



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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #155 on: 25-03-2011, 00:03:57 »
Could replace the marder III on Mareth. That map already has the sahariana anyway. They can also bring back some Italian infantry kits like they had in the first version of mareth back in 2.1.
Correct.(on both things)

Should we ever see some italian Dual purposed guns, we can always see them on the static role aswel

Both the 75mm as 90mm where used alot



id rather see the mobile version on the tank and or truck.. would be much better then having static..
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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #156 on: 25-03-2011, 00:03:09 »
Um, the 90mm would have had higher velocity, and be even more apt to do so...it was superior to the 88mm....

in terms of gun, yes.. in terms of optics and aiming devices.. no (reliable yet less accurate)  ::) what good is the cannon now? vs the 88 ::)

oh well, no point discussing it.. like all the historians everywhere.. they have diff views on everything..  :P


but we deff need more italian maps!
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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #157 on: 25-03-2011, 09:03:05 »
Um, the 90mm would have had higher velocity, and be even more apt to do so...it was superior to the 88mm....

in terms of gun, yes.. in terms of optics and aiming devices.. no (reliable yet less accurate)  ::) what good is the cannon now? vs the 88 ::)

oh well, no point discussing it.. like all the historians everywhere.. they have diff views on everything..  :P


but we deff need more italian maps!
The 90mm's optics where great, the 90mm's aiming devices where not as advanced AS the 88's. BUT the 88mm aiming devices where MUCH more unreliable then the 90mm

90mm Cannone was much better then 88 on all levels. Bury that german bias of yours!
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« Reply #158 on: 25-03-2011, 12:03:36 »
oh yeah,opctics where great, im sure you have used it ::)

every source claims its much better in its AA purpous, not stating its AT and that it got less accurate eqipument on it.

then again the tankdestroyer thing on it got produced in such a small number and only deployed in NA, dont know if it got slightly deployed in italy.. so you cant really compare that to thousands and thousands of 88's  ::)

either way, id rather use an accurate gun... *rests my case*  ::)
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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #159 on: 25-03-2011, 12:03:30 »
You're case sucks and has bad arguments  ;)


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Though often overshadowed by the more famous German 8.8 cm Flak 36, the Cannone da 90/53 was undoubtedly one of the finest anti-aircraft and anti-tank guns of World War II, possessing several advantages over its German counterpart.
The 90/53 used a single-piece barrel instead if the two-piece barrel of the 8.8cm, simplifying production.
The 90/53 fired a larger shell: 90mm 10.33kg compared to 88mm 9.2kg of the Flak 36 8.8cm.
The 90/53 had a higher muzzle velocity of 840 m/s, compared to 790 m/s.
The 90/53 had a longer range of 12,000 m against 10600 m, though the Flak 36 was rarely effective above 7,900 m.
Though the 90/53 lacked the sophisticated fire control systems of the later 8.8cm models, in use these systems proved troublesome and unreliable, while the less sophisticated fire control system of the 90/53 was found to be highly reliable, though not as accurate.

So in the anti-aircraft role, it was less accurate. It doesnt say it had Terrible accuracy.
Higher muzzle velocity, heavier shell. Clearly much better Armor penetration then the Flak 88.

everyone agrees(exept you)=Cannone 90mm>88mm Flak 36

Italian bias ftw!
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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #160 on: 25-03-2011, 12:03:16 »
If it was so much better I think the Germans would've used it. Since they produced thousands of 88s and not 90s....?
Besides, the 88mm already drilled everything in and out so why even bother with a factory conversion when you already have what you need?
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« Reply #161 on: 25-03-2011, 12:03:17 »
oh, because heavier shells is a pluss? no  ::)

as i said, i aint discussings its AA capabilities, sure it was better!

it was used as an AT gun occasionaly, its primary task was AA. not like the 88 wich where constructed for both rather quickly when they figured out it was great for both duties.

now, you can wikiwhore as much as you want, but i stand my ground for my personal opinion on the 88's AT capabilites  :)

- less shell weight = less stamina loss = faster reload times (we all know how fast an trained 88crew can reload :o )
- more accurate aiming devices, yet more complicated. learned pretty quickly anyway
- massive numbers compared to the 90mm
- penetration enough that could knock out more or less every tank it faced (not all ofcourse), no real need for more, other guns for those duties.
- flak37/41 velocity
    HE - 1000m/s   range 20000m
    AP - 980m/s    range 12350-14700m  159mm@1000m vs 90/53   100mm@500m(0°)

and i still rest my case  ::)

wow, this discussion really sat me off...  ;D no hard feelings theta?<3
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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #162 on: 25-03-2011, 12:03:39 »
The 90mm is still a better DP gun ;)

Its just as everyone says all german tanks are better then allied ones  ;)

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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #163 on: 25-03-2011, 12:03:40 »
in what way?  ::)

the flak 37/41

could do it all better But the AA purpous.

its kinda.... more like a draw  ;)


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Re: italian stuff
« Reply #164 on: 25-03-2011, 13:03:18 »
Should kinda add the numbers and kill counts...
I think it makes a slight difference
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