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Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« on: 05-12-2009, 14:12:39 »
Operation Totalize. One of the largest battles in the Normandy release. 2 large armies fighting over eachother.

12 tanks and 3 aircraft vs 9 tanks,2 aircraft and a shitload of Anti tank guns and Anti aircraft guns

As i played this map for many and many and many times, their is a conclusion i made= The germans win the far majority of it. Some people seems to argue that the map is balanced, but i found a good number of people who have agreed with me.

Yet why do the germans win this map alot? Easier way of fighting? Better defenses? German Biasism??(jk  :D )

After some thinking and i believe many people will agree on this. It is the way the public plays this map.

Let me present to you a common operation totalize round. This can be seen on the most Public servers like Hslan and such.

This is what the public does when they are the canadian team=
-They go for the 2 flags windmill and Factory
-German armor reaches river
-They smash any allied tank who dares to get across and snipe allied tanks across the river
-Ticket bleed is still on for the allies
-Luftwaffe is still protected by aa guns and the Wirbelwind on the other side of the river
-The people playing the canadian team doesnt know what to do next
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-PROFIT!

This is what happens in lets say 70% of the games. When 2.2 was released, it took me 2 days to see the allied team winning the map. It has improved, but many people still make the same mistake

So here is a little explanation on what is the best way to win this map.

This is what the general player does=

A simple straight forward= take the 2 closest flags to the main base.
Capturing these 2 will result in a most likely stalemate in wich the germans have a clear better situation

The following tactic i will post, is the best imo. i did this tactic with many diffrent squads (IRISHFORCE [hslan.irishfolk] 8th army [Zie mighty Desert-rat40-45] Teamplay[Led by any hslan] Lumberjack and so on)
And while this tactic was not always 100% succesfull, it is the best one aviable.

The first thing you need to do, is to capture the batteries= Flak and artillery. Why not the HQ? Because if you only capture the HQ (in the yellow color on the pic below), you run the risk of being backattacked by infantery. By the time you have these batteries (either is good, but flak battery is best defendable) you go for the Communications HQ.
Once you have this flag, get any armor up their ASAP. The best choises are the achilles, Churchill MKIV(6PDR) and Firefly. The churchills might need some time to get their, but they are fantastic as a defender. Is it on the bridge on flak battery, or behind the bocage near communication HQ, they can hold their ground. but you must be aware of the panther tank, as this can be your death real quick.
Cromwells are very good in the capturing themself, as they are really fast and can get into ambush position

The theory is simple=Capture the rear flags, Get tanks up there, defend
After that, a small team(probaly the still uncommon public) can take factory and windmill.
Admitted, these tactics arent gonna be always succesfull, as the germans have good advantages on this map, but once you follow this tactic, and take those flags, this map can turn from a boring, ragequitting allied team stalemate, into a very fun round in wich both teams can have a fair game

Take note, if you lose your tanks, the germans will tankrape your position, so keep tanks up to those flags.

So as stated on the map in the following order=
-Capture the batteries. Flak battery primary, Artillery is also good but less defendable
-Capture the communications HQ
-Capture or hope somone captures the first flags
*Try to defend using these positions with armor


I hope this will help some people in winning this fun but very difficult map.
« Last Edit: 05-12-2009, 16:12:34 by THeTA0123 »
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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize
« Reply #1 on: 05-12-2009, 14:12:30 »
I agree with that. Flak battery works best, as you can cross the river without passing two german cps.

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #2 on: 05-12-2009, 17:12:19 »
I disagree with you on the whole don't cap HQ until you've got arty and flak batteries, mostly for your adding of arty, because the Germans are just as close, if not a bit closer, to arty to launch an infantry attack; the only criteria for me attacking either flak or HQ, I'll however usually go for flak with its' hard-hitting and well-placed 88 which you need to have mentioned, is how many tanks are in the way. You can definitely only cap HQ, though it helps to have flak of course, due to the well-placed hedgerow in-between the axis main and said flag in which you can hide very well with a PIAT, since German tanks will also then congregate around this flag relieving pressure on the mass amount of Canadian armour. The part about the 88 needs repeating as not enough people get on it or repair it once it's down...<- so yeah that. :P
Operation Totalize. One of the largest battles in the Normandy release. 2 large armies fighting over eachother
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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #3 on: 05-12-2009, 18:12:59 »
Yoouuuuuuu takez my tactic and dont even bother to name the real leader of the "Teamplay" Squad .. any hslan .. pöh :o Prepare to get tk'ed when i see you next time :p

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #4 on: 05-12-2009, 18:12:33 »
Yoouuuuuuu takez my tactic and dont even bother to name the real leader of the "Teamplay" Squad .. any hslan .. pöh :o Prepare to get tk'ed when i see you next time :p
good thing I don't always join your squad

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #5 on: 05-12-2009, 18:12:30 »
Good thing i actually dont let anybody join, huh ? :O

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #6 on: 05-12-2009, 19:12:35 »
probably

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #7 on: 05-12-2009, 20:12:31 »
Yoouuuuuuu takez my tactic and dont even bother to name the real leader of the "Teamplay" Squad .. any hslan .. pöh :o Prepare to get tk'ed when i see you next time :p
Cool, now i get Teamkilled Double as much?AWESOME!!  :D
I know you are the thriving force behind TEAMPLAY dont worry ;)


@Coca-cola  this is the sole reason why flak battery or artillery battery should be capped. Both batteries can lay heavy artillery fire on the HQ, Especialy Flak battery. If you capped flakbattery, and after a while you lost HQ, you can still fall back to the flak battery and recap the HQ. Both batteries are difficult to defend, but holding those points is vital

Plus if you dont take the flak battery, its 88 and Pak 40 can backattack any armour you brought along

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #8 on: 05-12-2009, 22:12:06 »
Good strategy, I always go for Flak before the first two flags.  I've had some of the best firefights at that flag...

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #9 on: 06-12-2009, 00:12:47 »
Teamplaysquad even lets Brits fly on Crete

By totaler_humbug at 2009-12-05
We need to be able, to throw Thermos out of Spotterplanes.

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #10 on: 06-12-2009, 00:12:49 »
good thing you took a screen while I was TK'ing  :P

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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #11 on: 06-12-2009, 00:12:13 »
Corvax can do much better then that Luftwaffe.be mate
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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #12 on: 06-12-2009, 02:12:05 »
Corvax can do much better then that Luftwaffe.be mate
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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #13 on: 06-12-2009, 03:12:12 »


This happend yesterday. We had all flags exept for the HQ.. pretty nice round i must say.


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Re: Canucks=Operation totalize how to win
« Reply #14 on: 06-12-2009, 14:12:21 »
Teamplaysquad even lets Brits fly on Crete

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You can walk into the Ju-52? Oo
Didn't knew that...