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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #30 on: 12-05-2009, 14:05:07 »
Just a quick question here:
I am using a pretty budget joystick (Logitech attack 3)that doesn't even have a z-axis  >:(. It has a trigger and 4 buttons on the head of the stick.

The 6 base buttons I almost never use but i'd like to make one of them mouselook except that i hate using my left hand to move the mouse while having to take my right hand off the stick.
 
My question: Is it possible to configure my joystick to "mouselook" after pressing a base button? Or is it only possible to look with the mouse? This is pretty much my only gripe with flying in BF.

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #31 on: 12-05-2009, 15:05:49 »


Is that your stick?  It doesn't have a hat-switch.  I think your question is whether or not you can configure it to recognize the stick itself as mouse input (in other words, pressing a button makes the stick act a giant hat-switch)?

You can try to use Joy2Key to make the joystick movements directly correlate to mouse movement.  It might make flying feel a little different.  First you would have to get Joy2Key (here, the download is at the very bottom of the page), then configure it to make the joystick act as mouse movement (See below).  Then configure your BF2 Controls for flying to use mouse input, and assign one of your joystick buttons to the "MouseLook" command.

If you do that, you should be able to fly normally with the stick, then when you push your Mouselook button on your stick, you should be able to move the stick around to look around.  I'm not entirely sure that all this will work, but it should in theory...

Here's what the configuration should end up being:


Tell me if it works.
 

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #32 on: 12-05-2009, 16:05:43 »
Yeah thats the one and yes i want the actual stick movement to be recognized as the mouselook.

I will try this when i get home as i am on a school computer right now  ;D

Thankfully they don't block anything FH related!

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #33 on: 17-05-2009, 04:05:59 »
This worked great at first but unfortunatley there is a hitch.

I tried it out and it turns out that either the mouselook or the flying controls have to be inverted for this to work.

What I mean is if you set it the way ionizer displays the mouselook is standard but the flying is inverted (pushing forward on the joy makes you go up)

I decided not to use this because I can't really work the mouselook when it is inverted and just made the mouselook the left mouse button.

but still if u have no hat switch you should look into this.

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #34 on: 17-05-2009, 04:05:38 »
I consider myself a pretty decent pilot (ask anyone who has been dive-bombed by me via Stuka), so here are my tips.

1) Use those rudder controls. Your turns are tighter, and it helps you land hits on small targets. It is essential for the latter, as the FH team didn't implement ANY convergence for aircraft weaponry. Hopefully this will be fixed in Normandy.
 
2) Always take a look behind you (C-key) every once in a while.  No one likes to have a surprise rear-attack (insert 'That's what she said' jokes here)

3) If you DO have someone on your tail, do not, under any circumstances, go into a steep climb if your sure they can see you. Almost all of my fighter kills are due to my opponent going into a climb, and me nailing him with rounds as he inevitably slows or even outright stalls

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #35 on: 17-05-2009, 05:05:21 »
Almost all of my fighter kills are due to my opponent going into a climb, and me nailing him with rounds as he inevitably slows or even outright stalls

Aww comon don't give it away  ;D

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #36 on: 17-05-2009, 19:05:52 »
This worked great at first but unfortunatley there is a hitch.

I tried it out and it turns out that either the mouselook or the flying controls have to be inverted for this to work.

What I mean is if you set it the way ionizer displays the mouselook is standard but the flying is inverted (pushing forward on the joy makes you go up)

I decided not to use this because I can't really work the mouselook when it is inverted and just made the mouselook the left mouse button.

but still if u have no hat switch you should look into this.

Sorry it didn't work for you.  I did figure that the inverted thing might be an issue, but I just figured you could adapt (I personally use the mouselook inverted, even though I have a hat switch, it's just more comfortable for me). 

EDIT:  You said that the if the controls are inverted (as normal for a joystick, ie pull back to pitch up) the mouselook is also inverted like that?  There might a fix.

First set up it up like last time.  But add a function to temporarily use a different config when you press a button (that button will be the one you keyed to the mouselook in BF2).  In this example picture, I just used "Button 1."  (To do this, first hit the "preferences" tab on the right (blue arrow below), then set "Number of Joysticks to configure" to 2, then click the Joysticks Tab, then configure whatever your Mouselook button is, then in the "Special" configuration tab, then set the middle option to "Joystick 2")



After that,  hit the "Joystick 2" tab on top (red arrow below) and configure it the same as before, but invert the Y-Axis in the controls (yellow circle):



Don't put the "Use Joystick2" thing in the second one.

That might fix it.  Tell me if it works.
« Last Edit: 17-05-2009, 20:05:01 by Ionizer »
 

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #37 on: 27-05-2009, 01:05:50 »
Alright i'll give this a go.

At this point i'm so confused just looking at all the screenshots i'm not going to bother elaborating on the subject but i'll see if it works and report back  ;D

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #38 on: 23-06-2009, 02:06:46 »
Nice topic  :D

By the way, are there any pilots who fly with the mouse and keyboard or keyboard only? Or is this rather not recommended.. meaning that I should stay a landlubber..

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #39 on: 23-06-2009, 02:06:23 »
I'd imagine lots of people fly without joysticks.  I do on the rare occasions I'm not in a tank on Gazala.  It is hard to go up against joystick using 'ace' pilots, but then most of my problems come from inconvenient lag spikes.

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #40 on: 23-06-2009, 14:06:19 »
I use the keyboard. I'm useless in a dogfight, but Ground strafing, Surprising Axis planes with the beaufighter, is not a problem for me


Just remeber=Spitfire= Turn left or right to evade
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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #41 on: 23-06-2009, 16:06:53 »
I'm almost never flying anymore, but I used to fly a lot in BF42 and in FH1 and I have never used a joystick. I could give joystick fighterpilots a run for their money, too.  :D

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #42 on: 27-06-2009, 17:06:47 »
I just can't get this to work. I don't know how to set the hat-switch controls in joy2key. (the controls are not there?) 
And the file you linked Ionizer..whats that for? I can't do anything with it.

I'm using microsoft sidewinder precision 2

http://www.selectmore.com/images/products/hires/300218.jpg

Please explain how to do this   ???

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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #43 on: 27-06-2009, 18:06:19 »
Venous:

The file I linked to contains the stuff that lets the Hat switch work.  If you downloaded it, those files should create two JoytoKey "profiles" that should work.  I've been using it so long that I forget what it actually does, sorry.  You can do it manually, just follow the steps below.

Download JoytoKey.  After that, open the program and hit the "Create" button at the bottom.  Name it whatever you want (mine is named BF2).  Go to "Preferences" on the right and hit the checkbox that says "Use POV Switches."  Click "Joysticks" on the right to bring you back to the right tab.  Now, right click on "POV1:UP" and select "Configure this button."  Hit the "Keyboard" tab at the top if it isn't selected.  Click on the first box marked "Disabled" and it should turn yellow.  Now hit whatever key is your "Mouselook" key in BF2 (default Left Ctrl).  Then hit OK.  Repeat for POV1:DOWN, POV1:LEFT, and POV1:RIGHT.  Make them all your "Mouselook" key.  It should look like this:



Now, hit the "Create" button again and name it whatever you want (mine is BF2a).  Enable the POV Switches in "Preferences" again if they aren't.  Now Configure "POV1:UP."  Switch it over to the "Mouse" tab in the configure window.  Slide the Vertical "Cursor Movement" Slider all the way up.  Hit okay.  Now Configure "POV1:DOWN."  Switch it over to the "Mouse" tab in the configure window.  Slide the Vertical "Cursor Movement" Slider all the way down.  Hit okay.  Now Configure "POV1:LEFT."  Switch it over to the "Mouse" tab in the configure window.  Slide the Horizontal "Cursor Movement" Slider all the way left.  Hit okay.  Now Configure "POV1:RIGHT."  Switch it over to the "Mouse" tab in the configure window.  Slide the Horizontal "Cursor Movement" Slider all the way right.  Hit okay.  It should look like this:



Now you're all set.  Whenever you want to play FH2, open two copies of JoytoKey.  There should be two little Icons in your task bar at the bottom right of your screen.  Right click them and make sure one has "BF2" (or whatever you named your first profile) checked while the other one has "BF2a" (or whatever you named the other profile) checked.  Now you can play.  When you engage your Hat Switch in-game, JoytoKey will make the computer think that you pressed your "Mouselook" button and moved the Mouse in the direction you pushed the Hat Switch.  Thus "tricking" your computer (and BF2) into letting you use the Mouselook with your Hat Switch.  Only downside is that lose control of your plane while looking around, but that happens whether you use JoytoKey or not.
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Re: Achtung, Spitfeuer: Pilots gather!
« Reply #44 on: 27-06-2009, 19:06:32 »
Thanks!  ;D

Only one problem..It won't let me open 2 copies.