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« Reply #135 on: 30-01-2013, 19:01:54 »
What did the allied actually do with all the confiscated goods after WW2?
From what I know, it ended up:
- in private possession of soldiers and officers
- in museums (art)
- in possession of the remaining family members of the previous owners (mainly Jewish property)
- being transported to the US and USSR and used for financing the Cold War (well, not sure what it was used for, but since Cold War was quite expensive, that's my "educated" guess)

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« Reply #136 on: 08-02-2013, 15:02:49 »
I've recently been reading a bit about Stalingrad, and I'm curious about the assaults which took place on Pavlov's House. Why didn't the Germans just level the building and deny the Rooskies the cover? Did they not have the fire support? Was the building very well built and resisted being destroyed? Did the Germans not know it was occupied until too late? Did the Germans want to occupy the building themselves? It just seems logical that they would destroy such an important fortification for the Soviets, rather than sending wave after wave against it.
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« Reply #137 on: 08-02-2013, 17:02:14 »
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The tactical benefit of the house was its position on a cross-street giving the defenders a 1 km line of sight to the north, south and west.[1]

My guess would be the germans wanted it for that reason.  Other than that, I haven't a clue why it wouldn't have been leveled.

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« Reply #138 on: 09-02-2013, 06:02:25 »
Patton, overrated General?.

''Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity.'' he said, but i disagree with him.

Many call Patton as one of the best Generals in WW2... is he among them?



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« Reply #139 on: 09-02-2013, 07:02:35 »
He was racist... A general which discriminates his soldiers is never a good general.

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« Reply #140 on: 09-02-2013, 11:02:14 »
Patton commanded the first all-black units in US Army.

Was he racist? Let me ask you back, what is racism? Some people openly talks that he/she dislikes certain group of people, but they are okay when doing things together. But some people never talk about it or even goes as far as publicly showing that they are politically correct, yet they still can't accept it when dealing with people different than theirs.

Best generals? At least he is much better than Lloyd Fredendall and today's overrated US generals.

His tactics? Similar with Rommel: he is no sitzkrieg generals, they don't like static defenses, hence their dislike for fixed fortifications. They are quick action generals, sometimes with little regards towards logistical challenge. The Invasion of France clearly shows how fixed fortifications like Maginot line fails. But you can't deny the effectiveness of Sevastopol or Leningrad defenses against such massive siege, but then it also owes to their relatively strategic position. There are some more thorough, strategic, complete, decisive commanders like von Rammstein, Kesselring, Zhukov, Bradley, Nimitz, and alike.

So to conclude him based on that view alone: is he one of the best? I would say yes.

I don't usually take a drastic contrast look towards mainstream historical subjects directly. Many said Rommel is the best, many say Kursk was the biggest tank battle, Montgomery saves Britain, Italians were the losers, Mustang D was the best fighter.

Yes we know that Italians won some battles, yes in FH2 it is not correct to portray the small underdog factions as the mainstreamers see it: but it is too hipster. Italians did lose badly to Greece, they lose badly to Commonwealth forces in early North African campaigns. They however, performed better under Rommel. But nothing says that they did well in WW2.

So, if you are trying to overturn a mainstream views toward a WW2 subject, better back it up with lots of evidence.

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« Reply #141 on: 09-02-2013, 20:02:04 »
Well, but what big battles Patton won during the WW2? Apart from being a guy liked by his forces and etc, can you mention a Battle won by Patton that was remarkable?.


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« Reply #142 on: 09-02-2013, 20:02:59 »
Battle of Gela and Messina
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« Reply #143 on: 09-02-2013, 20:02:00 »
It is ironic that he didnt see d-day because he slapped a GI in the Italian campaign.  :P

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« Reply #144 on: 10-02-2013, 01:02:34 »
Messina doesn't really count, considering the Germans never once tried to hold Sicily, they merely tried to evacuate it.  Technically, Sicily is counted as a strategic German victory.

Also, I've had many a rant about Patton and Rommel's incompetence on these forums.

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« Reply #145 on: 10-02-2013, 06:02:13 »
Well, but what big battles Patton won during the WW2? Apart from being a guy liked by his forces and etc, can you mention a Battle won by Patton that was remarkable?.

Patton was an attack dog. He wasn't that great of a general, but he was useful for applying pressure to areas of the front. Granted, he did this by wasting men.
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« Reply #146 on: 10-02-2013, 11:02:00 »
Patton wanted to go attack the soviets after WW2 to kick them out of eastren europe  ::) I can believe the theory that he got murdered.

Some historians once wrote an article about how patton significantly slowed down the M26 pershing development, along with other US High brass folks. Claiming that the Pershing would severly hamper logistics and fuel supplies and that it was very inreliable. When it was finnaly deployed in 1945 none of these claims were true, and one Field commander said that one pershing was worth well over 5 shermans. Then by calculating stuff and shit, it was estimated that, when patton and others did not hampered development/production/introduction, the US forces could have fielded 500 T26 (the then designation) Pershing tanks at the start of D-Day. With over 2000 avaible near the battle of the bulge.

Also these would not have hampered Sherman tank production aswel.
People like general Lesley J. McNair claiming that the Pershing would not save any more lives

Tell me what would save more lives? 15 men in M4 death trap shermans?
Or 5 men(As it was claimed one pershing= 3 shermans) in a tank with a powerfull 90mm gun that can penetrate any german tank minus the Kingtiger. With armour that can withstand the PZIV/Stug main gun, the 88mm of the tiger tank at most ranges and the Panther tanks gun beyond 1000 meters?

True the pershings armour was not That great. But it was simular to the Tiger tank. Now take 2000 tiger tanks for the allies who weight 12 tonnes less...


No people like Patton are not that "big war heroes" in my opinion.
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« Reply #147 on: 10-02-2013, 15:02:28 »
So that left us with Omar Nelson Bradley, the polite general as one of the best famous US Generals in WW2?

I have to argue that Patton was made famous due to his slapping incident. After he slapped the poor soldier, he was relieved and sent back to the homeland, where he did a lot of publicity with the presses. And the MEDIAs love it. Of course, to promote war bonds like Captain America, he had to look good, and his victory in North African dessert would be one of the great stories there.

So really, the media is to be blamed. Just like how Norman Schwarzkopf made famous in a some country bullying contest, or modern weaponry live test dubbed Operation Dessert Storm.
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« Reply #148 on: 10-02-2013, 17:02:59 »
Ok I said in the Militaria thread (a long time ago) that I now possess an american WWII officer's overcoat.

question is, can I take it to the dry cleaners or should I wash it manually? Ironing is I presume as usual.
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« Reply #149 on: 10-02-2013, 17:02:41 »
Bradley, Eisenhower, and Stilwell rank highly in my regard.  Hodges and Simpson were also quite good.


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