Author Topic: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V  (Read 1754 times)

Offline Strat_84

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75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« on: 04-11-2009, 00:11:43 »
I've figured out something a bit disturbing about those two guns: both fire shells of similar weight, at similar speeds. But the M3 shell drops a lot with distance whereas the ROQF one doesn't drop at all (or really much less than the M3 gun).

Is there any reason for this ?  ???
« Last Edit: 04-11-2009, 00:11:30 by Strat_84 »


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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #1 on: 04-11-2009, 00:11:19 »
The velocities on some of the tank guns were messed up just before the patch.  Look at the 17pdr, that should have less drop than the 8.8cm L56.  Also, the M3 is firing AP shot while the ROQF is firing APCBC shot, which may or may not travel faster.

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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #2 on: 04-11-2009, 11:11:44 »
What british tank uses 75mm ROQF?

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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #3 on: 04-11-2009, 11:11:10 »
there is a churchill version with a 75mm gun (totalize)
also there are cromwells with 75mm guns (not in any maps though)

not sure if the "british" shermans use them
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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #4 on: 04-11-2009, 12:11:05 »
there is a churchill version with a 75mm gun (totalize)
also there are cromwells with 75mm guns (not in any maps though)

not sure if the "british" shermans use them

I thought all Cromwells in game used the 75mm and we have yet to see the 6 pounder equipped ones...
 

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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #5 on: 04-11-2009, 12:11:00 »
Cromwells and Churchill's had 75MM ROQF. It could fire the same ammo as the Sherman tank, but this was mainly done for the HE shell. The british used the APCBC round alot on their cromwells and Churchills, and it had  higher speeds and also better armor penetration.


The 75MM gun firing the M61 APCBC shot could penetrate 93MM armor at 1000Meters and 82 at 1500. Imo, cromwells should be allowed the standard AP shot of the sherman, and a few APCBC rounds. This would give some better performance. In FH1 you could atleast damage panzer IV's and StuGs. In FH2 this issent possible, with gaint losses as the result   :(

And what is happening of the 6PDR cromwells? Their where still plenty present in Normandy
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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #6 on: 04-11-2009, 13:11:07 »
there is a churchill version with a 75mm gun (totalize)
also there are cromwells with 75mm guns (not in any maps though)

not sure if the "british" shermans use them

I thought all Cromwells in game used the 75mm and we have yet to see the 6 pounder equipped ones...

all inMAP cromwells right now use 6pdr but as said before there are 75mm cromwells in the build but not used in any maps.
thats why they perform so much better in tank hunting.
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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #7 on: 04-11-2009, 15:11:48 »
Wrong Die Happy.  ALL the cromwells in the mod have 75mm guns.

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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #8 on: 04-11-2009, 16:11:23 »
sure about that ?
i always thought the 6pdr version was used and the 75mm version is the game game but not on maps.
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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #9 on: 04-11-2009, 16:11:51 »
All cromwells have 57mm = 6 pounder, Die happy is right.

And i thought churchill 75mm version has the exact same gun as sherman.

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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #10 on: 04-11-2009, 17:11:39 »
We need someone higher up to confirm this.  I know both the Churchill 75mm and 6 lber are ingame, but I could have sworn only the 75mm Cromwell is ingame.  I'm not even sure if there is a 6 lber Cromwell in the files.
 

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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #11 on: 04-11-2009, 18:11:23 »
Nomatter what any images or the guns on the models say, all three cromwell varients in the mod use these two projectiles:
75mmL40-APCBC-Projectile
75mmL40-HE-Projectile

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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #12 on: 04-11-2009, 19:11:19 »
Indeed


So give us the Cromwell with 6PDR so that we can one shot kill pa,nthers in the sides
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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #13 on: 04-11-2009, 21:11:42 »
The british used the APCBC round alot on their cromwells and Churchills, and it had higher speeds and also better armor penetration.

That's what Wikipedia tells but well, Wiki is what it is and more serious sources state that the speeds are nearly the same, around 2000 ft/s.
Also about the APCBC round, it is better than the standard AP but the 75 ROQF was inferior to the M3 firering the same antitank ammo. That leads to 75 ROQF + APCBC performing just slightly better than a M3 gun with standard AP.  ;)
It looks like the penetration data on www.wwiivehicles.com is a bit messed up as they give exactly the same figures for APCBC M61 on both M3 and ROQF.  ;D


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Re: 75mm M3 vs 75mm ROQF mk V
« Reply #14 on: 04-11-2009, 21:11:09 »
I took the source from the book "Tanksoldaten"  ;) ;) ;)
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