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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8895 on: 18-11-2017, 15:11:07 »
If there was an explosion, there would be tons of debris, and some of it would float.  Same for a hull rupture- there would be tons of stuff that would escape the interior.

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8896 on: 18-11-2017, 16:11:14 »
As Mudra said, an explosion would be seen easily as there will be a lot of evidence. So, the sub has to be somewhere, stuck in the ocean floor...


Still, no news, Britain joined the search efforts with their HMS Protector ice patrol ship based off the Falklands and the US is directing a P-8A Poseidon with advanced equipment to search the missing sub.

Let's just hope this doesn't turn out to be another Kursk or another Once (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Buenos_Aires_rail_disaster) in which total negligence from the State caused such accident. Here, the Navy barely has means to find and rescue the missing sub, the other two subs are not seaworthy, the ARA Austral (oceanographic ship) which would be useful is not seaworthy, there was just a S-2 Tracker flying around yesterday and some movements in the modest C-130 fleet, none of the P-3 Orion are active.




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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8897 on: 18-11-2017, 19:11:06 »
If there was an explosion, there would be tons of debris, and some of it would float.  Same for a hull rupture- there would be tons of stuff that would escape the interior.

Kursk was struck by major explosions but sank relatively intact, and was only found by the detection of anomalies on the seabed rather than surface ships / planes spotting floating wreckage. And they kinda knew where to search because it was in the middle of a big exercise.

Even if some debris floated up to the surface it would never be enough to easily spot in a vast ocean.

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8898 on: 19-11-2017, 04:11:03 »
So far, taking part of the SAR operations are:

Argentine Navy: One or two Beechcraft B-200, one S-2T Turbo Tracker, two AS550 Fennec and one P-3B Orion

Argentine Airforce: One KC-130H

Argentine Naval Prefecture: One PA-20

US Navy: One P-8A Poseidon

Uruguayan Navy: One Beechcraft B-200

NASA: One P-3B Orion

Ships:

Argentine Navy: Meko 360 ARA Sarandí, Meko 140 ARA Rosales, A-69 ARA Drummond, ARA Puerto Deseado, ARA Austral, ARA Patagonia

Argentine Naval Prefecture: GC-28 Prefecto Derbes, SB-15 Tango

INIDEP (National Institute of Fishing Development): BIP Victor Angelescu

Uruguayan Navy: ROU 26 Vanguardia

Brazilian Navy: K.11 Felinto Perry, Tipo 22 Rademaker, H-41 Almirante Maximiliano

Great Britain: HMS Protector.


Today about 12 signals were detected probably from the missing sub, most of them were short and directed towards different bases (apparently, these were satellite calls), but no contact was made, also three C-17 Globemasters and one C-5 Galaxy are travelling to Argentina carrying logistics and a rescue sub.

The P-8A Poseidon should be more than able to spot the missing ARA San Juan, I hope.


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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8899 on: 21-11-2017, 03:11:31 »
Despite the best efforts from the Search and Rescue parties, the ARA San Juan remains undetected.

The P-8A Poseidon flew over the area and saw nothing, apparently some ships picked up sounds but they were not from the missing sub. The weather is incredibly bad, as seen from the deck of ARA Sarandí:

https://vimeo.com/243652086

A TR-1700-class sub can stay underwater and with oxygen for 7 days, that leaves the SAR parties with 2 days remaining to find the submarine crew alive. All resources must be thrown into action, the Brazilians just arrived with their K.11 Felinto Perry and I heard the US arrived with a second P-8A Poseidon.

This search operation has been the largest of it's kind (talking about participants) with the UK deploying their elite Submarine Parachute Assistance Group and adding the HMS Clyde to the search efforts and Spain also joining in.

The weather is expected to clear out in the next two days, but time is running out.


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« Reply #8900 on: 21-11-2017, 10:11:51 »
Happy to read that the UK is allowed to assist in the search. I didn't really hold hopes for that.


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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8902 on: 21-11-2017, 23:11:42 »
Happy to read that the UK is allowed to assist in the search. I didn't really hold hopes for that.

Yes, we can leave our differences aside and join forces to rescue 44 people trapped in a submarine. I'm very happy to see them working with us as well.


The USN P-8A Poseidon detected "white flares" at night and later a lifeboat were spotted and recovered in the sea without any crew on board.

Who fired these flares? it is unknown, the area in which the ARA San Juan is lost is home to a number of fishing ships (some are there illegally) and the Navy said that this type of flare is not used by the sub, so it could be a fishing boat firing a flare for, whatever reason?.

As for the small boat, the Navy said that type of lifeboat is not used by the TR-1700-class, HOWEVER, they're discussing internally if that model was "added" to the submarine the last time it was "upgraded", about 3 years ago.


It is unlikely, but still.


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« Reply #8903 on: 24-11-2017, 04:11:39 »
The situation is beyond desperate at this moment.

So far they haven't been able to find the submarine, today was a pretty chaotic day.

It started yesterday with two sources, one being the USN and the other being the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) detecting a "Hydroacustic Anomaly" in the area in which the ARA San Juan was last "seen". There was "Sensitive information under state secret", said by the navy. Around that time, the Chilean Oceanographic ship "Cabo de Hornos" joined the SAR efforts.

Early on this day, Captain Enrique Balbi, the Navy spokesperson, confirmed “a singular event, short, violent, non nuclear, consistent with an explosion” had occurred some 30 miles north of the site the submarine disappeared.

This is terrible news, because if the submarine suffered an explosion, there is almost no way back.


Now, two things remain unresolved.

First, the location of the submarine:



This is where the sub may be located, where the explosion was heard. As you can see, it's almost about to fall down into the abyss, a bit to the west and you might find yourself about 300 meters below the surface, a bit to the east however and the depth increases greatly, 500, 700, 1.000, 3.000...

The sub is definitely not capable of resisting the pressure after 400m, some sources claim that it is as far as 3.000m wich is letal, it would just crush the submarine and kill everyone on board.

That -might- explain why nobody has been able to find the sub yet, could it be there?, crushed at 1.000m?. So far, we don't know.

Another question is what caused the "explosion"?, could it be the batteries?. Many things have been said about them, the Sub had a battery change a couple of years ago when it went through it's mid-life upgrades, but apparently they did not used the "recommended" batteries from Germany but they actually used chinese models, that remains to be clarified though.

While an explosion was recorded and confirmed, the magnitude remains to be known. The forward batteries are right under the crew's sleeping rooms and kitchen The sub is literallly divided in two, there is a "wall" that is made of the same material as the hull that divides it, with a small hatch in the center. The submarine captain reported a "shortcircuit" with the forward batteries but it was "solved", and it went on. If they exploded, and the ship was having most of it's crew sleeping, it could have knocked out a large portion of the crew and rendered it unable to deploy any emergency measure such as a beacon, but since the sub is divided in two, the engine room could have a few crewmembers alive despite the explosion.


The hopes are diminishing, the families yesterday were seen crying and calling the Navy "traitors" as they erupted in anger as Enrique Balbi told them about this before giving information to the public minutes later. I have almost given up hope on the possibility of rescuing them alive, the situation is far too critical for them to survive in such conditions for 8 days.

This is not the Kursk, which was a double-hull monster, this is a rather small sub made in Germany in the 80s that lasted for 30 years. If they are dead, I hope they died quickly in the main explosion, because dying down there waiting to be rescued while oxygen runs out...



It's really really sad.


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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8904 on: 01-12-2017, 01:12:29 »
The Navy announced today they all rescue efforts have ceased, ARA San Juan is lost with her entire 44-man crew. I hope they died in the least painful way, without having to suffocate to death down there.

The latest submarine report indicate that water entered the sub through the snorkel and reached the forward batteries, igniting a fire that was "controlled" (any fire in a submarine is highly problematic), the crew reported that she kept going with her aft batteries. Nothing else is known after that last report.

Involved parties will still look for the submarine remains, as the US and Russia will be more or less having a competition for it. Russia will arrive with their oceanographic ship Yantar on December 5.


My humble thank you to those who offered and sent help.
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8905 on: 01-12-2017, 11:12:44 »
Heard on the radio they would most likely succomb to carbon monoxide poisoning, meaning they would drift into sleep and then slowely loose contiousness. Comparible with people with faulty heaters.

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #8907 on: 03-12-2017, 22:12:31 »


Full video with norwegian and swedish artillery troops as well, and lots of grad pr0n: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TQKhF6lX0
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« Reply #8908 on: 04-12-2017, 16:12:30 »
that video was just... I'm speechless.

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
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