Picture of the Day

[Leopardi]

[nysä]

[Seth_Soldier]

interresting smg

[Kasztelan]

Looks like Orita Md. 1941, although proportions looks to be a little bit weird.



Participants of Warsaw Uprising as a guards after being liberated from POW camp.

[Flippy Warbear]

Looks like Orita Md. 1941, although proportions looks to be a little bit weird.

That's a Suomi with a coffin magazine.

[Kasztelan]

Yeah, you're right, I didn't noticed barrel shroud.

 

Anyone has any idea if this Vickers is modified with muzzle disk by Germans, or is it Dutch 7,92mm rebarrelled De zware mitrailleur M.18 No. 2?

[Ts4EVER]

The 6th SS Nord received some Suomis.

[Leopardi]

[nysä]

interresting smg

According to Bundesarchiv, the picture is from June 1941 and the unit is SS-Kavallerie-Division, getting ready to parade for Himmler. So... probably not very likely a m/31 (either)

[Kasztelan]

According to Jaegerplatoon (http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MACHINEPISTOLS1.htm) first permiit for export to Germany was given 12th of March 1942, but "Smaller deals were also done with customers like Polish State Police (20 Suomi submachine guns delivered in 1933)" and "Year 1940 French military had about 300 Suomi M/31 submachine guns, grand majority of these belonged to weapons confiscated from remains of Spanish Republican Army units, which had headed to France in end of Spanish Civil War." Considering that at the time Waffen SS had no priority in getting MP40, they had to get smg's from wherever they could. Maybe this is one of those French ones?

[Flippy Warbear]

Then what is it if not the Suomi?

It has a barrel shroud that has three holes on it on the side. It has the barrel locking mechanism exactly same shape and position as with a Suomi and it has a magazine that is shaped like the coffin magazine, which is a very distinct shape of a magazine.

I for one do think its a Suomi.

[Ts4EVER]

Are we sure the mag is coming out the bottom? If not, it might be an MP35.

[Kasztelan]

It must be Suomi, just look at the stock with characteristic angle of semi-pistol grip. I feel stupid by saying it's Orita... Could benice to see the photo in higher res. I also compared lengths of the smg and Kar98k on the photo since both men are quite close, with lengths of real life guns and proportions looks ok.

[Seth_Soldier]

yes it is a suomi.
what is interresting is the stick drum and the date.
I wonder where it comes from. I've only seen drum magazine in foreign hand

[Kasztelan]

There's plenty of photos of for example Swiss MP43-44 with 50-round double stack magazine. Again from jaegerplatoon.net : "Both 50-round box magazines and 70-round drum magazines seems to have been exported with the weapons."
and


"PICTURE: Swiss Mp.43-44 submachine gun with 50-round box magazine. This was the de facto standard magazine type, which Tikkakoski delivered with the Suomi M/31 submachine guns, that it exported during World War 2."