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« Reply #16608 on: 29-03-2019, 20:03:25 »


Major-general Oinonen inspecting captured enemy positions in Louhivaara. July 19th, 1941

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« Reply #16609 on: 30-03-2019, 07:03:48 »


Hungarian Nimróds in Galicia, Ukraine 1944

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« Reply #16610 on: 30-03-2019, 17:03:22 »


Victorious Soviet Naval Infantry (Marines) planting the Soviet Navy Jack Flag over the bitterly contested eastern peninsula and city of Kerch, Crimea: April 11, 1944.


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« Reply #16611 on: 31-03-2019, 09:03:18 »


Terrain intelligence for "Sturmbock Stellung". Northwest Finnish Lapland, early May 1944

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« Reply #16613 on: 31-03-2019, 20:03:00 »


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11-year-old Nestori Lindström, who ran away from his home during the Continuation War because he wanted to help on the northern front against the Soviets. He made it there but was eventually sent back home. Kiestinki, Kananainen, December 1941.

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« Reply #16614 on: 31-03-2019, 21:03:51 »
I agree, AFVs were often misidentified on both sides: StuG frequently appearing as Ferdinand and Panzer IV refered as Tiger in Soviet (and Allied) battle reports, photographs. But then again, what makes you think these records are more credible or less inflated than German ones? And would you credit "TankArchives" as an objective, unbiased source?
Basically, what TS wrote:
Generally loss reports are more credible than kill counts, which are often enflated and hard to track during combat. There is also an incentive in internal reports to inflate enemy losses, but not reporting your own lost vehicles is rather foolish, since that means not receiving replacements or being assigned missions above your strength. So in historical science you ususally check kill claims by looking at the opposing sides losses for the day. In the past this was rather hard to achieve for the Soviet side, but after the opening of Russian archives it has become easier and shown that German kill claims for the Eastern Front were (as for all sides) greatly exaggerated.

And would you credit "TankArchives" as an objective, unbiased source?
I apologize if I haven't made that clear, but I used this article only as a starting point and conducted a separate research of my own, as you can see from my post. Neither did I claim it to be truth of the highest instance, in fact, author made several factological errors, for instance, he misplaced Tukrospuszta on the map.

I recall the Germans being very inconsistent on their kill reports. People often bring up the "Ferdinand had a 10:1 kill ratio" and I just laugh my ass off. No way that monument to human stupidity had that kill ratio.

Inconsistency goes both ways. One Russian expert (Mikhail Svirin) claims, that twelve (12) Elefanten were destroyed by the Red Army in the Berlin area, six being captured infact with full ammunition. Hahah.. I mean really.
Well, I would hardly call him a credible source, since he has a certain reputation among Russian historians, mainly for for frank fact juggling and fabrication of documents.



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Leutenant Alpherov's SU-100 in ambush during Operation Spring Awakening

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« Reply #16615 on: 01-04-2019, 09:04:17 »
Well, I would hardly call him a credible source, since he has a certain reputation among Russian historians, mainly for for frank fact juggling and fabrication of documents.

That's understood. However, I have seen 'reputable' German authors (Karl Ludvigsen for one) taking up the notch, as they use Svirin as primary source, instead of refering to original German documents that are widely available. But then again, this mindset is nothing new.

I guess the Finns should also take the entire war effort as a distorted, fantastic hero tale - as Russian archives/documents are the most credible, unbiased source on the topic.





Panzer IV/70 (V) from SS-Panzerjäger Abteilung 2, destroyed by the 3rd Armored Division on 6 January 1945. Close to Baraque de Fraiture, Luxembourg.
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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #16616 on: 01-04-2019, 14:04:29 »
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I guess the Finns should also take the entire war effort as a distorted, fantastic hero tale - as Russian archives/documents are the most credible, unbiased source on the topic.

Nobody is saying that. Can you even read?

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #16617 on: 01-04-2019, 14:04:24 »
Nobody is saying that. Can you even read?

No?

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