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Offline Leopardi

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14865 on: 21-12-2017, 19:12:20 »


More destroyed ISU-152's. This seems like a common formation in the 1944 summer pics, destroyed facing each other.

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14866 on: 21-12-2017, 19:12:38 »

Why the white lines?
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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14867 on: 21-12-2017, 20:12:58 »
EDIT: Meh, can't find anything on it, maybe Seth can help
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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14868 on: 21-12-2017, 21:12:44 »
Plate indicate that those are from the Gendarmerie.
I would say it is a post-war photo, taken in Algeria maybe.
The white line might be to make their identification easier.

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14869 on: 22-12-2017, 11:12:43 »
Plate indicate that those are from the Gendarmerie.

What did the Gendarmerie need tanks for?

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14870 on: 22-12-2017, 13:12:19 »
Plate indicate that those are from the Gendarmerie.

What did the Gendarmerie need tanks for?

Policing, Anti-Guerrilla warfare.


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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14871 on: 22-12-2017, 18:12:20 »
Plate indicate that those are from the Gendarmerie.

What did the Gendarmerie need tanks for?
De rijkswacht in Belgium also had tanks post war. Well, more like armoured cars with a canon like the Humber.

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14872 on: 22-12-2017, 18:12:23 »
Gendarmerie is part of the army (gerdarmes are soldier, training + ranks) but do "civilian" police tasks. They are supposed to fight on the frontline in a war if necessary (even if it wasn't the case during ww1).
As Torenico said, they were the first to be used for Anti-Guerrilla warfare in colonies so tanks were usefull



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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14873 on: 22-12-2017, 19:12:32 »
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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14874 on: 23-12-2017, 02:12:48 »

As Torenico said, they were the first to be used for Anti-Guerrilla warfare in colonies so tanks were usefull

Indeed, they're more than enough to support local Gendarmerie actions against a small group of lightly armed guerrillas, however, for how long did these tanks served?. I know a solid number of old Hotchkiss, Renaults and Somuas served in the Gendarmerie, but for how long?.



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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14875 on: 23-12-2017, 12:12:52 »
Policing, Anti-Guerrilla warfare.

Right, I'm not familiar with post-war Algeria. Didn't know they had to fight a guarilla war.

De rijkswacht in Belgium also had tanks post war. Well, more like armoured cars with a canon like the Humber.

The Koninklijke Marechaussee (Royal Dutch gendarmerie) also has armoured vehicles (YP-408 postwar and now YPR 765). Nothing close to tanks though. Which is why I wondered why any nation's military police would need tanks. Having to fight a guerilla war seems like a logical answer though.


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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14876 on: 23-12-2017, 13:12:52 »
Algeria is an interresting case because it was a colony but considered as french region/soil
The war 1954-62 at that time was not considered as a war but as a law enforcement operation against terrorim or a pacification operation.
In a way, using gendarme allow france to have military operation but not declare it as a war.
Unfortunately, blurrying this line have also created deviant behaviour like using torture on an industrial scale to counter guerilla/terrorist acts.
 


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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14877 on: 23-12-2017, 20:12:23 »
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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14878 on: 23-12-2017, 20:12:19 »
Algeria is an interresting case because it was a colony but considered as french region/soil
The war 1954-62 at that time was not considered as a war but as a law enforcement operation against terrorim or a pacification operation.
In a way, using gendarme allow france to have military operation but not declare it as a war.
Unfortunately, blurrying this line have also created deviant behaviour like using torture on an industrial scale to counter guerilla/terrorist acts.
Much like the Netherlands did in Indonesia, going to war but call it "Politionele Actie" (action by the police), so the rest of the world would think it was an internal affair and the Dutch people would think it was a minor conflict. It also resulted in using widespread violence and torture. However, the rest of the world was not as dumb as the Dutch government thought at that time and they made up several UN resolutions against the Netherlands. And over the course of the war more and more Dutch inhabitants learned about what was going on and protested the war.
 



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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #14879 on: 24-12-2017, 11:12:19 »


Christmas day 1943