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Ihantala 64
« on: 25-05-2018, 22:05:03 »
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Re: Ihantala 64
« Reply #1 on: 30-05-2018, 18:05:46 »
hi
at Pyorakangas when you are in front of the flag, you can capture at 2m but at 3m you can't.
hope i'm clear

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Re: Ihantala 64
« Reply #2 on: 30-05-2018, 18:05:30 »
hi
at Pyorakangas when you are in front of the flag, you can capture at 2m but at 3m you can't.
hope i'm clear

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Hello

Not entirely sure I know what you mean. Do you mean the distance to the physical map object?

If so, dont measure your distance to it since the flag object itself is not in the center of the cap radius. Since we have placed all the flags in hanging or folded positions, we had to move the physical flag object to the most suitable places. They are within the cap radiuses but they are not in the center of them as you would normally have them be in their default "zero" position. We dont like flag poles and since it is sometimes very difficult to find a good place to position the flag object, sometimes the object is at the very edge of the cap radius.

On most cases the cap radiuses are large enough that you dont really have to look for where the flag object is, since in this case it is only to kinda guide you the rough whereabouts of the capture area, not to mark the precise position of it. However, we intend to enlarge at least Pyöräkangas and Lakeside cap radiuses so they are bigger and less confusing. We might enlarge other flag cap radiuses as well, but we will monitor the situation before touching them.

For now, my advice you focus on knowing where the capture radiuses are without thinking too much of the flag objects. Remember that on this map the flag objects are not the centers of the cap zones as they would normally be.

If this wasnt what you meant, could you please provide us with more information? :)

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Re: Ihantala 64
« Reply #3 on: 30-05-2018, 19:05:29 »
yes, it's was what i mean : the distance to the physical map object.
sry about inconvenience and thx for the explanations.
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Re: Ihantala 64
« Reply #4 on: 30-05-2018, 19:05:34 »
yes, it's was what i mean : the distance to the physical map object.
sry about inconvenience and thx for the explanations.

Better to ask than keep quiet. Who knows, it could have been an actual bug that we could otherwise miss. Thanks!

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Re: Ihantala 64
« Reply #5 on: 25-10-2018, 15:10:48 »
2.54 changelog:

Overall:
- Changed SU-152 wrecks to ISU-152 wrecks.   
- Added an ammobox to the barn south side of the bridge.
- wrecks for the T34/85 are showing the correct numbers now (thanks to Roughbeak)

64p:
- Changed SU-152 to ISU-152.
- Changed FockeWulf fighters to FockeWulf fighterbombers.
- Increased the capture radius of Lakeside, Pekarila and Pyöräkangas flags.
- Slightly increased the capture radius of the Highway flag.
- Pyöräkangas commander radio removed.
- Relocated the Crossroad commander radio to the middle finnish mainbase.
- Crossroad pickup DT changed to a pickup LS26.
- Added a pickup LS26 at western finnish mainbase.
- Changed the leFH18's to M30's.
- increased the spawn time for the IS2 from 30 to 60 seconds minimum.
- added a few more highway spawns for the Finnish team.
- fixed the spawner conditions for the tanks at Pekarila (they will only spawn when Russians have that flag and the bridge flag).
- team locked the Pak 40.
- increased the bleed speed for the Russian team by 50%.
- doubled the spawntime for the two La5 on the 64 player version.


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Re: Ihantala 64
« Reply #6 on: 31-08-2019, 11:08:42 »
Sorry for being a necromantic wehraboo again. The custom dunkelgelb skin on the StuG/StuH is a nice touch, but it is historically a bit inaccurate. I guess the idea came from the famous picture of a Sturmhaubitze 42 racing down the Ihantala road:

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However, this is one of the replacement vehicles rushed straight from ALKETT factory, as couple StuG.Brig. 303 assault guns fell into the harbour, while unloading the cargo in 22 June 1944, Helsinki. According to "Panzers in Finland", the replacements were shipped immediately from the factory and the crews of the sunken vehicles stayed in HKI waiting for the delivery.

Since there are no "middle production" StuG III Ausf. G or StuH 42 in the game, the easiest fix would be camouflage the current "early" StuGs. Most assault guns from StuG.Brig. 303 were assembled in 1943 (some even earlier), numbered and in full camouflage, painted dominantly in dark brown and olive green:

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Assembled: MIAG, 11.1943


Alkett, 04-08.1943


Alkett, 11-12.1943

It's also worth mentioning that the combat experience of the brigade gained at front in four months prior to being sent to Finland was rather high: 3./StuG.Brig. 303 alone claimed 46 Soviet tanks in the northern Baltic area.

refer: Kuusela: "Wehrmachtin Panssarit Suomessa" ("Panzers in Finland"), Müller: "Sturmgeschütz III Vol. 2", Erkki Käkelä & Panssarikilta

« Last Edit: 31-08-2019, 11:08:05 by nysä »

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Re: Ihantala 64
« Reply #7 on: 31-08-2019, 12:08:24 »
It's a good idea and custom skins are always a nice touch, especially when they add to the historical accuracy. However the idea behind having just a generic dunkelgelb skin for the 303 here is a two parter:

1) Differentiating the upcoming finnish StuG's from the generic german counterparts, making it easier for your every day player to notice the difference between the two. Now, Ihantala will not be receiving these finnish variants obviously, but I know for a fact that there are players who dont realise that the dunkelgelb stugs are not a placeholder. ;)

As a side note you are correct about the influence of the StuH photo. It played a role in deciding what texture to use.

2) It being a generic skin allows others to use it. I decided against having unit markers and vehicle numbers just so this would become a generic dunkelgelb skin that everyone can use on their maps.

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While Im not saying no to your suggestion. I like historical details like these, but first I'd need to find a texture artist who'd be interested in doing this and who also has the time to do it, currently our man-to-go Matt Baker is swamped with all sorts of projects. Tbh, I'll just leave this open for any interested texture artists to tackle. If someone comes up with a texture, I'll consider adding it in.

While Im not against the idea itself, I think we will keep the current ones at least for now. If you happen to have a camo pattern and examples on what the StuG could/would have looked like, do post examples here.

One thing I'd like to get changed in the future are the gun mantlets from the box shaped ones to saukopf's.

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Re: Ihantala 64
« Reply #8 on: 31-08-2019, 14:08:56 »
Hey, thanks for listening. If you want colour schemes, here's one:



Personally, I wouldn't give much value to imaginative colour plates, even though they still seem quite popular.
If you take your time to inspect the photographs, you will notice that they were much darker, thoroughly painted with olive/dark green and dark brown stripes, patches. Like mentioned earlier, the initial camo work was already done in the Northern Baltic theatre, where approx. 50% of the land area is forest (i.e. something to consider when applying the camouflage).
Also, some vehicles had concrete applied on the superstructure front, plus logs on the sponson sides and the armoured driver's visor, characteristics that were soon copied by the Finns.





Erkki Käkelä has mentioned, how Finnish troops made jokes about German assault guns - how sloppily camouflage was done (no use of templates) and how poorly the logs were put in place; "like careless firewood in a woodshed".
« Last Edit: 01-09-2019, 18:09:44 by nysä »