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Offline nysä

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #330 on: 19-04-2019, 10:04:14 »
Nice! The ones with the black/dark background looks really great.

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #331 on: 20-05-2019, 08:05:05 »
The map is finished










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Re: Berlin
« Reply #332 on: 20-05-2019, 17:05:43 »
The map is finished
That's a bold statement  ;)

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #333 on: 20-05-2019, 21:05:07 »
Looks a tad too dark to my taste, but let's see how it plays out. Great work, prepare to do a lot of "afterjobs", though ;)

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« Reply #334 on: 03-06-2019, 08:06:09 »
Looks a tad too dark to my taste, but let's see how it plays out. Great work, prepare to do a lot of "afterjobs", though ;)

In fact most of maps in FH2 are too dark IMO. I think Blander tried to represent as faithful as possible the Berlin day. It was too lighter before

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #335 on: 03-06-2019, 21:06:30 »



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Re: Berlin
« Reply #336 on: 03-06-2019, 22:06:57 »
I think Blander tried to represent as faithful as possible the Berlin day. It was too lighter before
I don't doubt the good intentions of Blander. But the Berlin day was not that dark ;)

Examples:


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Re: Berlin
« Reply #337 on: 04-06-2019, 09:06:49 »
Examples:
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No comments on the first picture... but the 2nd one is a scale model diorama, photoshopped over this image:



The weather during the Battle of Berlin was reasonably cold but clear, with both opposing sides wearing long coats and padded jackets/telogreika etc.



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Re: Berlin
« Reply #338 on: 04-06-2019, 13:06:25 »
The battle in Berlin lasted from April 25 to May 2 or thereabouts. It’d be hard to convince me there wasn’t at least some clouds overhead at some point in that week :P

I like the skybox. I haven’t tried the new lighting yet, but it can always be brightened up slightly if it’s too dark. It seems like almost an overcast twighlight, and from all the bombings and fighting, it seems appropriate to have a dark haze over the battlefield. But more than that, it’s a nice atmosphere from an artistic standpoint; it makes it truly feel like the last stand of the German Army and it calls back to Berlin streets which is nice imo. I dig it, as long as it proves to be not too dark for gameplay.

Edit: I think overall, if you could find a skybox that was more “smoke covered” and less “overcast” it would be cooler. (Thinking like the images you see of wildfires creating a haze over the city). But tbh, that might not be possible with the BF2 engine. And this is a fine substitute.
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Re: Berlin
« Reply #339 on: 05-06-2019, 00:06:15 »
IMO the first skybox I used was the most realistic. People asked me to change it to something darker with absolutely no historical reasons, just for the looks. Now I customized a stock FH2 skybox with better quality though it might look a bit weird because it's a lot more blue but yet the fog is grey color. Changing skybox, fog, light and lightmaps is not that easy, it takes a lot of testing. We'll see what people think about the current settings. I think they give the map a really grim and apocalyptic feel, even though they are not the best in a historical context since I haven't seen any clouds in pictures from the battle of Berlin.

You can see the latest settings in my last pictures, which are not the same as the one Alubat posted.

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #340 on: 05-06-2019, 13:06:54 »
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?jaar=1945&maand=4&dag=24&uur=000&var=301&map=6&model=obsde

Temperature Berlin (max./mean/min) Celsius:

april 25.: (14.7/9.4/0.7)
april 26.: (17.2/10.8/2.6)

It was cold.

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #341 on: 05-06-2019, 15:06:33 »
Different weather/skyboxes in each layers 16/32/64 = Problem solved :-)

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #342 on: 05-06-2019, 16:06:45 »
Different weather/skyboxes in each layers 16/32/64 = Problem solved :-)

This.
"The Berlin Operation '45" by Soviet General Staff describes how the German offensive zones were putting up a "stubborn resistance" during the night (22.00-01.00) of 26-27 April, and how the Red Army conducted counter-operations against these spots, just before the dawn.

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #343 on: 06-06-2019, 21:06:20 »
No comments on the first picture... but the 2nd one is a scale model diorama, photoshopped over this image:
It's a really well done diorama :)

It's your map blander, just pick the skybox you see fit. I thought the first one was the best, because this dark one also makes things less visible from a distance, which is a pity because then we can't see all of the nice work that has been put into this.

The whole "it was grim" thing is lost to me, because other battles were also grim, but we don't give them all a dark sky, do we? But like I said, your map, your call.

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Re: Berlin
« Reply #344 on: 07-06-2019, 10:06:16 »
It's a really well done diorama :)

Agreed. This is fairly common though, like the following RC model which has been frequently posted on WWII groups as a "real thing":
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But it's not just the models, but also outdated color plates, illustrations, captions etc. overall.
« Last Edit: 07-06-2019, 10:06:32 by nysä »