Author Topic: Make SVT-40 a choice in the spawning menu  (Read 312 times)

Offline CZelednikov

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Make SVT-40 a choice in the spawning menu
« on: 27-01-2017, 00:01:24 »
I understand that the reason why the SVT is not in the spawning menu might be because it is thought to be uncommon. The thing is - is really was not.
Number of G43s that were build is as far as I know around 400 000 yet number of SVT-40s and AVT-40s build is around 2 000 000. That makes this gun more common than the MP40. Yet the G43 is an option in the game and SVT/AVT is not.
Production of SVTs was halted in 1942 and all Tokarev rifles produced after that were AVTs. Some of them were produced in 1944 and very few even in 1945
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/gmc1977/milsurp/SVT%2040%20Tokarev/IMG_1049.jpg~original
Although most of them were obviously produced in 1940 and 1941.
Nonetheless it was definitely a rifle that was common enough to be in the class selection screen especially considering that much less common guns are the option.
Any thoughts?

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Re: Make SVT-40 a choice in the spawning menu
« Reply #1 on: 27-01-2017, 08:01:27 »
I understand that the reason why the SVT is not in the spawning menu might be because it is thought to be uncommon. The thing is - is really was not.
Number of G43s that were build is as far as I know around 400 000 yet number of SVT-40s and AVT-40s build is around 2 000 000. That makes this gun more common than the MP40. Yet the G43 is an option in the game and SVT/AVT is not.
Production of SVTs was halted in 1942 and all Tokarev rifles produced after that were AVTs. Some of them were produced in 1944 and very few even in 1945
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/gmc1977/milsurp/SVT%2040%20Tokarev/IMG_1049.jpg~original
Although most of them were obviously produced in 1940 and 1941.
Nonetheless it was definitely a rifle that was common enough to be in the class selection screen especially considering that much less common guns are the option.
Any thoughts?
The only common kit I would see it in is the NCO kit.
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Re: Make SVT-40 a choice in the spawning menu
« Reply #2 on: 27-01-2017, 10:01:33 »
The Tokarev SVT40 was used in large numbers only in 1941 and 1942. After that they were replaced in production by the Mosin Nagant and PPsh41. The AVT40 was a failed experimental design that was only used to replace missing light machine guns in some cases. In 1944 and 1945 the SVT40 was not used in large numbers by frontline troops anymore.

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Re: Make SVT-40 a choice in the spawning menu
« Reply #3 on: 27-01-2017, 11:01:02 »
Then it should be avaliable at least on 1941 and 1942 maps yet they aren't.
Although I see no harm in making it avaliable in 1944 maps as well. Between 1943 and 1945 roughly 330 000 AVTs were made which is already good enough and I am not even considering SVTs avaliable from previous years.
Also AVT was better than the SVT. While it's main point (fully automatic fire) was a disaster it's still better than the SVT because it has thicker stock which should solve the problem of SVTs stocks being brittle and having tendences to break. It also have more effective muzzle break. It should technically be all around better gun, which might be the reason why only AVTs were made after 1942.

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Re: Make SVT-40 a choice in the spawning menu
« Reply #4 on: 27-01-2017, 12:01:21 »
Then it should be avaliable at least on 1941 and 1942 maps yet they aren't.

Reason to this problem is the simple fact that we dont have -41 or -42 eastern front maps.

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Re: Make SVT-40 a choice in the spawning menu
« Reply #5 on: 27-01-2017, 12:01:02 »
Then it should be avaliable at least on 1941 and 1942 maps yet they aren't.

Reason to this problem is the simple fact that we don't have -41 or -42 eastern front maps.
Making these maps would require a ton of effort that includes early war uniforms for both sides, and vehicles. Also you would need a ton of statics. All of this is very time-consuming and the dev team does not have the manpower to spare for this. Unless you make skins and models and know how to code and export them, I don't see the Early ostfront in the next few major updates or ever being added.
« Last Edit: 12-02-2017, 15:02:31 by FHMax3 »
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Re: Make SVT-40 a choice in the spawning menu
« Reply #6 on: 12-02-2017, 13:02:28 »
I understand that the reason why the SVT is not in the spawning menu might be because it is thought to be uncommon. The thing is - is really was not.
Number of G43s that were build is as far as I know around 400 000 yet number of SVT-40s and AVT-40s build is around 2 000 000. That makes this gun more common than the MP40. Yet the G43 is an option in the game and SVT/AVT is not.
Production of SVTs was halted in 1942 and all Tokarev rifles produced after that were AVTs. Some of them were produced in 1944 and very few even in 1945
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/gmc1977/milsurp/SVT%2040%20Tokarev/IMG_1049.jpg~original
Although most of them were obviously produced in 1940 and 1941.
Nonetheless it was definitely a rifle that was common enough to be in the class selection screen especially considering that much less common guns are the option.
Any thoughts?
The only common kit I would see it in is the NCO kit.
Found this in the archives of the FH2 forum. It confirms my intuition:

However, this is from a very WIP build of the Eastern front, back in 2013, as the Mosin Nagants are redish, instead of the standard brown.
Sorry if I am necromancing, just wanted to point this out.
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