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Re: About Last Night...
« Reply #30 on: 11-11-2016, 16:11:23 »
The majority of the US population chose Donald Trump.
No, they didn't and this is exactly the main thing which should change in the US. Their election system is over the hill. Just like certain laws which were really, really useful in 1776, they are outdated now and should be changed into something more fitting to the 21st century.

https://youtu.be/V6s7jB6-GoU i dunno man it seems to me its better than simple majority vote.
I raise you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUS9mM8Xbbw

It's an unfair system. Watch part 2 as well to have the complete info.

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Re: About Last Night...
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« Reply #32 on: 12-11-2016, 15:11:43 »
IMO the "winner takes all" rule is much more retarded than overweighing the votes from less populated states. But I wouldn't be so sure what way the results would change even if the "winner takes all" rule would be dropped. Now it's pointless to vote the other party if one has overwhelming majority anyway so these voters stay home. Eg. in California the amount of Republican voters could actually increase if their votes actually mattered.

And us Europeans shouldn't be too proud as long as we have the ridiculousness of our own in the election practices. For example in parliamentary elections many countries have the silly principle of "long lists", the Inner Party decides the preferred order of candidates and the proles and Outer Party get to only vote the list instead of individuals. Even more countries have the d'Hondt method, where you can vote for an individual but he or she gets the votes in proportion to the support of his/her party, so one candidate with 10 votes may get elected just by being in the right party whereas a candidate with 10 000 votes is not.

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« Reply #33 on: 12-11-2016, 16:11:42 »
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37953528

You have just been trolled!

Well he isn't stupid, IIRC according to one poll (hehe) a large percentage of his voters is actually for Obamacare.

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« Reply #34 on: 12-11-2016, 16:11:09 »
IMO the "winner takes all" rule is much more retarded than overweighing the votes from less populated states.
Agreed, but why would less populated states be more important for national elections?  All votes are gonna end up on a big pile anyway and then they will be counted. Without electoral college and "winner takes all" it really doesn't matter anymore if a vote is from a less populated state or not. Imagine that all votes would count (so no "winner takes all") but votes from less populated states have more weight. Wouldn't people from more populated states find this unfair and therefore maybe stay home and not vote? Or maybe even move to other states to have more influence?

About voting for lists: we have a system in which we do that, but you can also cast a "vote of preference" and when a candidate gets a certain amount of such votes, he/she gets a seat in parliament, even if he/she is last on the list. When introduced in the US together with percentage voting, maybe that would help diminish the negative effexcts of "list voting".

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Re: About Last Night...
« Reply #35 on: 13-11-2016, 00:11:54 »
The great meme war has ended , decisive trump victory  :'(

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« Reply #36 on: 13-11-2016, 03:11:29 »
The worst is, that you do not know what you get once you got Trump.

Healthcare stays, Muslims will still be able to enter the States; that is 2 promises broken.

And I guess his core program will be to stay vague and erratic for the next 4 years.

How long was George W. Bush's political programm? 20 pages? Does Trump actually have one?

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« Reply #37 on: 13-11-2016, 06:11:32 »
That is actually better. Most politicians proposed bills after bills after bills, it never ends, it takes away time and budget to conduct hearings, meetings, votings, and all that routine BS.

At least in Indonesia, the new guy without any experiences stepped up, dig through the documents, and picked up the dusty but good ones to put into action. They put great ideas into work. The opposition ruling classes would scream "nothing new" in his achievement, but for the people down here, we finally saw something real. The healthcare for the poor that was promised, subsidy for compulsory formal education students, the fancy Scandinavian-like public transportation buses with free wifi, improved city-wide drainage systems (no flood in the last 2 years), bring back hundreds of trillions rupiahs of money from overseas to be taxed. What else?

The European ruling classes meanwhile, are pretty much disconnected from reality. Portraying positive image on the media, appeared nice towards foreign people. But when the immigrants commited crime, it goes as Theta or Siben described: the police was too afraid to prosecute them because of media backlash. It is the regular guy that suffer the robbery from some random minorities, and when they think, the suspect would receive proper legal process, but the police refused because of "race card" in play here. Meanwhile, the political elites would show their face to the media and flaunt their "tolerance" policy in unison. While the robbed guy protests, the media would help to patch the blemish by labelling them "fringe racist movement." Way to convince people to join the tolerance movement dumbass!

The same goes for my experience in Australia, nobody dared to criminalise indigenous people's robbery, because oh because... Some like me will rise above it as long as that "fellow minority" don't hurt me. But for those who lived there for decades and affected by it, I really understand why they would revolt. For years, we have been appeasing, apologising, promoting, and many other reconciliation efforts, but why these people won't move forward? In Asia, where people generally have no concept of PC, our high-expecting parents would cut our lunch money if we keep showing low grades as a sign of their desperation in motivating us. So the American says, "ditto for our government."

At least there will be no more excuses for minorities to commit criminal act, because this time, there will be improvement for everyone, they will be treated equally, not especially. There will be no political ammunition left for the liberals if this worked. Because, no longer the minority have to live in slums and poverty. They will live with your high standards of wealth, education, hygiene, safety, security, you name it. Yes they can. Barrack Obama, Condi Rice, Collin Powell can, why not some downrodden BLM member guy cannot? Or is it because the liberals would like to keep them that way, so they can have a cause to rally behind? There are more black people represented in government and Hollywood media than Asian people.
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Re: About Last Night...
« Reply #38 on: 13-11-2016, 16:11:31 »
https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

This guy says it right.

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« Reply #39 on: 14-11-2016, 00:11:20 »
One more thing to fix US voting system: require mandatory ID check. As of now, you can apparently vote without an ID in most states and even in those states where ID check is in use, it is only "recommended" and nearly anything is accepted ("non-photo ID", gimme a break). Unsurprisingly, in the non-ID states it is possible for anyone, even foreigners, to register as a voter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

Surprise surprise, Democrats complain that requiring an ID to vote is "discriminatory". Against whom? Illegal immigrants? Repeat voters? Illiterates who cannot fill in an ID card application?

In an honest election, only government-issued photo ID should be accepted.

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Re: About Last Night...
« Reply #40 on: 14-11-2016, 01:11:55 »
ID required to vote should only be the case if everyone is automatically provided with ID via a mechanism that doesn't rely on going to some rare physical location that has short opening hours.

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« Reply #41 on: 14-11-2016, 02:11:01 »
At least there will be no more excuses for minorities to commit criminal act, because this time, there will be improvement for everyone, they will be treated equally, not especially. There will be no political ammunition left for the liberals if this worked. Because, no longer the minority have to live in slums and poverty. They will live with your high standards of wealth, education, hygiene, safety, security, you name it. Yes they can. Barrack Obama, Condi Rice, Collin Powell can, why not some downrodden BLM member guy cannot? Or is it because the liberals would like to keep them that way, so they can have a cause to rally behind? There are more black people represented in government and Hollywood media than Asian people.

Oh lol. Let's talk in 4 years again. Maybe our parallel universes merged until then.

And maybe it's good to have another 4 years of republican-conservative-populist-erratic reign, just for people to remember what it is about.
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Re: About Last Night...
« Reply #42 on: 15-11-2016, 00:11:17 »
ID required to empty someone's bank account or being able to access their medical information should only be the case if everyone is automatically provided with ID via a mechanism that doesn't rely on going to some rare physical location that has short opening hours.
See what I did there?

Most of the countries of the world have mandatory ID cards, even in the rest a photo ID is usually required when dealing with the authorities/banks/etc., and in the real world all government offices are rare physical locations that have short opening hours, but there's this thing called "online application".

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« Reply #43 on: 15-11-2016, 01:11:02 »
So Putin called Trump on the phone and took him totally in. Like they would keep Assad and solve Syria together, establishing a long term friendship with each other.

How can the President-elect of a country, whichs biggest export good is freedom over all others, make friends with an autocrat like Putin?

As we already know, Mr Trump didn't understand what the USA are about. It appears to be some giant casino for him, and he is the most clever and greedy one who will probably take it all, selling out all other values.

Europe flanked by two empires of evil. While the evil seed is already growing in Europe as well. Hard times.

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« Reply #44 on: 15-11-2016, 01:11:41 »
ID required to empty someone's bank account or being able to access their medical information should only be the case if everyone is automatically provided with ID via a mechanism that doesn't rely on going to some rare physical location that has short opening hours.
See what I did there?

Most of the countries of the world have mandatory ID cards, even in the rest a photo ID is usually required when dealing with the authorities/banks/etc., and in the real world all government offices are rare physical locations that have short opening hours, but there's this thing called "online application".
I live somewhere where photo ID isn't mandatory and can be obtained by post.  And yet I can't see anyone calling for ID to be required to vote here.  Literally never heard anyone mention it.