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Re: About Last Night...
« Reply #15 on: 10-11-2016, 20:11:24 »
I have a question for you non america college students,  are you/your classmates as "pussified/coddled" as they are here in america?
safe spaces,  needing a day off to cry, unable to think for themselves and not mob mentality etc. etc. etc. ?

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« Reply #16 on: 10-11-2016, 20:11:46 »
I went to university in Germany and I think it generally works differently from the US. From what I can tell (from movies etc) in the US colleges work more like big high schools. Generally in a German university nobody gives a crap about you really, most of what you do is your own responsibility, you live off campus and either you show up or you don't. As long as you pass the exams nobody cares what you do.
Political stuff is mostly leftist, but more classical leftist (which I prefer to identity stuff, which imo is capitalist subversion).
Also you can get beer in the cafeteria.

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« Reply #17 on: 10-11-2016, 21:11:52 »
I have a question for you non america college students,  are you/your classmates as "pussified/coddled" as they are here in america?
safe spaces,  needing a day off to cry, unable to think for themselves and not mob mentality etc. etc. etc. ?
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« Reply #18 on: 10-11-2016, 21:11:26 »
I graduated from a German university two years ago and can pretty much agree with what TS said. Though there´s a rising influence of what´s called political correctnes, mostly in the humanities, especially when there´s a strong (=loud) Gender Studies department on campus. Most students aren´t really falling for their bait, though. Despite German universities having the image of being the breeding ground for revolutionary leftists, mosts students are either not interested in politics at all or even have varying political views, with some being conservative, others being "green", social democratic or liberal/libertarian. Infact, atleast at my university most students really don´t care about politics at all.
Colleges of Education are supposed to be a whole ´nother level, from what I heard. Political correctness is supposed to be rampant there...what this means for the future generation of teachers being trained there, I don´t know...
And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.

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« Reply #19 on: 10-11-2016, 21:11:19 »
Honestly, you should picked Gary Johnson (your traditional pick).

Actually, I did vote for Gary Johnson.  So at least I got to vote for the best person running imo.

You really think that? Johnson is a doofus. An affable one admittedly, but libertarians are just failed Republicans. It's a philosophy for the propertied.

I wonder if Bernie would have beaten Trump.  I suspect he would have put up a better showing (although I did not think so before the election, I lined up more with Clinton).  I think Clinton's sheer unpopularity was probably the biggest reason for the upset. Hate for Clinton is also powerfully tinged by misogyny, but I wonder if another woman might have done better, like Warren.
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« Reply #20 on: 10-11-2016, 22:11:51 »


I wonder if Bernie would have beaten Trump.

I'm 100% sure Bernie would have beaten Trump. I know, polls kinda failed in this one but Bernie was beating every single republican in many different polls when he was running against Clinton.

Trump has NOTHING to say about Bernie, other than "Sit down, you socialist!" (Duke Cunningham, 1995) or some vague statement, he had no chance at all. Bernie would have just schooled Trump on politics, point by point, with no argument on Trump's side. See the debates, Trump was on the offensive constantly, relentlessly attacking the other GOP candidates and Clinton as well, just one time he was forced to go on the defensive in the GOP debates (a joint strategy between Cruz and Rubio) and many times by Clinton... he just was TERRIBLE, he had nothing to defend himself with.

Given that Bernie has no links with the Establishment and that is what people hate..., I'm sure he would have destroyed Trump.

About Warren, Hillary could have picked Warren as her VP, that would have been a great choice to appease the Progressives inside the Democratic Party.

@Mudra: Yes, I think that 3rd parties should participate more in the elections, but I think that there should be some legislation between elections to allow the main 3rd parties to participate in the big debates and to gain fair media coverage.., instead of just voting them, because that isn't enough.



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« Reply #21 on: 10-11-2016, 22:11:03 »
The majority of the US population chose Donald Trump. Democracy means we cannot have what we want all the time. Its time the left learns that in the US the hard way. At least you can rest assured that he can't possibly be worse than George Bush. 

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« Reply #22 on: 10-11-2016, 23:11:42 »
actually i think the "majority" population voted clinton.    defnintately not by total area of the country though, just in big cities....

we dont know about how good or bad he will be. that is exactly why "we" choose a new one every 4-8 years!

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« Reply #23 on: 10-11-2016, 23:11:27 »
The majority of the US population chose Donald Trump.
No, they didn't and this is exactly the main thing which should change in the US. Their election system is over the hill. Just like certain laws which were really, really useful in 1776, they are outdated now and should be changed into something more fitting to the 21st century.

@kevino: I teach at a school which is comparable to highschool, and I notice that kids are being "softer" than before in various ways. When I went to school myself, you were a loser if your parents brought you to school in a car. If they had to for some reason, you asked them if they could drop you a few blocks down, so nobody at school would see it.
Today the kids are being dropped off right in front of the school door, even when the trip by bike is only 15 minutes or something for them. And they are not ashamed at all, they talk to each other in class "Oh, are you by car? Oh, cool" stuff like that. It doesn't have to be extreme weather even, so I don't know where this came from.
And this is only one example. I guess it gets into colleges and universities too. I heard some years ago that universities were having information evenings for partens of students these days , just like at school (where the oarents can talk to teachers for a few minutes about their kid's results etc). That was totally out of the question when I was still a student: my parents never set foot into my university as long as I was there. They only came to see me graduate :)

Maybe I'm just getting old ;)

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Re: About Last Night...
« Reply #24 on: 11-11-2016, 00:11:44 »
no your just an ADULT      god damn they are 18 + years old.....    ;D

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« Reply #25 on: 11-11-2016, 00:11:26 »
I agree, Sanders would have been a much tougher opposition to Trump, and I would have preferred him over Hillary any day, unfortunately Clinton's friends in the DNC actively sabotaged Sanders's campaign from within. As reported by Wikileaks, not by Trump campaign, mind you. So much for fair primaries...

...and then Clinton, already the easiest political target in the US, fell to the oldest trick in the book: trolling. Trump "accidentally" lets out a gaffe, Hillary camp bites into it like rabid piranhas, and forgets to convey what was her agenda, if any. See, Sanders actually had clear ideas how issues should be solved. Clinton's version - as conveyed by the local media - soon devolved into "please tell us what you would like us to do". It's nice to listen to the people but at some point you have to take leadership if you want to be a leader. Values are great in a mission statement, but people who want change need concrete action plans.

The final mistake was when Hillary started targeting not Trump, but Trump's voters. Amidst all the muckraking, the infamous "deplorables" line was a new bottom low. It was as if swing voters did not exist and would suddenly feel guilty instead of enraged when being called names.

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The social media outrage amazingly still continues unabated. It seems to have cyclic movement, people wind down in the evening and wake up relatively peaceful, but as the day rolls towards evening, they become more and more frenzied due to exposure to social media forming a feedback loop. And I'm becoming rather embarassed at the columns in the newspapers when the editor starts the nth tirade on how her entire world collapsed overnight and she realized that the universe is evil and how can she tell about this to her children (won't anyone think of the children?). Though I'd like to see even one US artist keeping his or her word of moving to Canada if Trump gets elected. Considering the massive flow of emigrants after similar threats in 2000 and 2004, I am not exactly holding my breath... ::)

What is surreal though is that (according to news, though of course they only pick the juiciest subjects) there are demonstrators on the streets demanding an assassination of Trump. It did not go this far even when W. was elected first with popular minority, not even when he was re-elected. Two wrongs make one right? Democracy is acceptable only if it gives favourable results?

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If the election system constantly gives biased results, surely there would be at some point an initiative to change it? Even if the proportional method is kept, "winner takes all" is just stupid and practically guarantees a two-party system. I don't know the particulars, but has any US politician even tried to suggest a change? Silly me. Of course not, because politicians being politicians they think that next time they are going to use the system to win.
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« Reply #26 on: 11-11-2016, 10:11:13 »
I studied in both Indonesia and Australia. The difference is quite significant.

In Indonesia, the students are very social. You often have to belong to a groupie, otherwise you are the lone weirdos. But people are generally very friendly and reach out to you, try to understand you. However, if you are super omega "weeaboo" type of hopeless social pariah, then you will be quietly secluded. Of course, even collectivist society has its limits.

In Australia, there will be more variety of groups and individuals. But I can't help but notice that the dominant type is the mild kind of typical college frat boys who are exclusively white. They do a lot of "white people" stuff like experimenting with danger (irresponsible fireworks use, binge drinking, binge eating, reckless driving, and performing dangerous acrobatic stunts in public), and tried to bring foreigners to amuse them. Probably free healthcare afforded them to do so. They are not really racist, stayed within PC to avoid trouble, but quite a nuisance. My American friends are very skittish compared to those Aussie blokes and obsessed with personal safety and "grievous bodily harm". There are some social activists as well, which loved to open booths, held shocking public performances in campus grounds, gave away freebies, and so on. Last but not least, they are swamped with foreign students who looked like me, but don't mingle with people outside their fellow nationals.

Bernie is the missed opportunity that could have been. One of the leaked e-mails showed that the Democratic Party is corrupt as hell and simply sabotaged Sanders, and red carpeted Clinton into her candidacy.

About Trump though, he is starting to show his true colours: he is what a hardliner conservatives called a "cuck". Already he hide his promise about banning Muslims and called the opportunity to meet Obama "an honour". Those violent hecklers will be livid when they know that they are being cucked.
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« Reply #27 on: 11-11-2016, 13:11:48 »
I am pretty much amused by these kind of crowds:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/fuck-gary-johnson-1788736643

As if we need to sheepishly voted Hillary to avoid Trump catastrophe. What the hell?

Well, eff them and their Wall Street cronies. Also their morale high elite club. Thanks for alienating neutral people from liberal social agenda, which unfortunately we shared. Because to these folks, nothing is more important than being a liar PC. Talk the pro-LGBTQ talk, but receive money from middle east oils, who hangs LGBTQ people to death. Talk the global warming, but  This is the sort of things that famous status quo establishment people would simply tolerate.

For classy people, honesty is still a good value, but most importantly, actions speaks louder than words. A person who helps minorities, but slipped a slur is far better than some whiny bragging SJWs who love to imply their imaginary activism contribution to discriminated people.

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« Reply #28 on: 11-11-2016, 13:11:28 »
I studied to become a teacher for one Semester, figured out it´s not my thing and then studied law. I graduated last year.

The difference between the Students is significant. During that one Semester of studying lectureship I hardly did anything and passed with As and Bs easily (Latin and History). Granted, it was the first Semester but from what I could see the next Semesters would have been easy on me too. The students were all friendly and I could come out with them just fine. Some courses you didn´t even have to attend. The professor told us we could just get the paper later. I didn´t feel challenged at all.

I applied for law the next Semester and the work for it was immense. The Students seemed more and more to be competetants as the Semesters passed by. A third of them left after the first 4 Semesters (Zwischenprüfung). Others later because they couldn´t stand the pressure of the final Exams. I heard rumors of Students hiding books in the library so others wouldn´t find them. I remember going to the Library pre Semester to lend a book about the topic of the next Semester because soon they would have been taken by others. Added to that the grading system is appaling. Having a "satisfactory" was quite an achievement.

It was funny to me hearing later that the Students of lectureship were on campus demonstrating how hard their studies were and how they protested against a reformation of their studies.

That being said, there is a huge variation of Students. More social ones (who imo are more likely to study anything related to arts or stuff that helps people) and those who are more competitive. Though law might be a special case. Naturally you have different personalities here and there.
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« Reply #29 on: 11-11-2016, 15:11:05 »
The majority of the US population chose Donald Trump.
No, they didn't and this is exactly the main thing which should change in the US. Their election system is over the hill. Just like certain laws which were really, really useful in 1776, they are outdated now and should be changed into something more fitting to the 21st century.

https://youtu.be/V6s7jB6-GoU i dunno man it seems to me its better than simple majority vote.