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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #15 on: 15-11-2015, 14:11:48 »
Left isn't necessarily commie. Greece has a left party in charge. Other than that most governments are either left or left leaning.

Where are public shootings in the US? Schools and "Gun Free zones". Take it like this: You know a country rich in oil is going to abolish its army, and that a country right next to it just acquired improved weapons. Which country are you going to invade to feed your oil hungry citizens? If there is opposition the death toll decreases. Sure a fucknut will try to shoot people, but when people start shooting back the victims will be in the dozens, not hundreds.



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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #16 on: 15-11-2015, 14:11:53 »
Left isn't necessarily commie.
I know, but if you talk about right being fascist (like TheTA did when referencing the destruction of Europe)), then left is commie. Otherwise the comparison is void.

When at the Bataclan on Friday people in the audience would have had guns, there would have been more victims. It's an illusion to think that they would have been able to immediately take out the attackers without killing bystanders. More guns = more bullets being fired = more victims. But before we turn this into another gun control vs gun rights discussion, maybe we should focus more on the subject of the first post.

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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #17 on: 15-11-2015, 15:11:08 »
The problem at the moment is caused by politically correct radical left winged parties wich have grasped their grip on europe for the past years.

Ha! The idiocy...

Let me break it down for you: For years in Europe countries used to have basically two major parties, with a bunch of fringe parties for forming coalitions. One was slighty right of center, the other slightly left of center and they basically took turns ruling. In the recent past a new paradigm is forming (most obviously in the USA).

You still have two main parties, but one is culturally liberal (on immigration, sexual stuff, abortion etc), the other is increasingly anti-immigrant and socially conservative in general (Republicans in the US, Le Pen in France etc).

Here is the thing however: economically, both are radically capitalist. Both are more than willing to sell their electorate out in the interest of "free markets". Pussy politically correct liberals and bone head nationalists and conservatives beat each other up, while the system fucks them both in the asses.

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And of course, here comes the Far-Right groups that will surely do their thing too, we cannot let these idiots take the power either.

True, but the liberals shouldn't remain in power either. What we need is something more in the direction of Syriza, a properly left party that doesn't go along with all the free market ideological bullshit. Believe me Theta, the immigrants are not your enemy. If anything, you should ally with them and hang some bankers.

This whole bullshit about "culture" is false. It's something for liberal leftists to play with while leaving the system intact. Struggles that used to be political are now framed in terms of culture or, even worse, "identity". Right wingers say: We need to protect our national identity! Liberals say: I need to be able to live my identity as a pansexual whateverkin! Well you are both in luck, cause capitalism doesn't care what identity you have, as long as you turn a profit and consume. What I would say: Fuck identities, do politics!

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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #18 on: 15-11-2015, 16:11:15 »
Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
In which European countries the communist parties are the biggest and actually ruling? I don't know any of them.

Hollande?


Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)

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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #19 on: 15-11-2015, 16:11:43 »
Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
In which European countries the communist parties are the biggest and actually ruling? I don't know any of them.

Hollande?


Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)
Check your facts, Hollande is not a communist.

Being against immigrants is an opinon, I respect that, but realise that many of your fellow countrymen are immigrants in western Europe too.

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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #20 on: 15-11-2015, 17:11:51 »
Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
In which European countries the communist parties are the biggest and actually ruling? I don't know any of them.

Hollande?


Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)
Check your facts, Hollande is not a communist.

Being against immigrants is an opinon, I respect that, but realise that many of your fellow countrymen are immigrants in western Europe too.

But we assimilate to other society and don't blow up anybody, can't see the difference? Or socialist policy  already spoiled your brain?

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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #21 on: 15-11-2015, 17:11:33 »
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Finally someone who understands it should never be us and them as in us Christians and them Muslims. This is not how the world should work. Every culture and religion (and even no religion) in its core promotes the same moral tenets: be kind to your neighbors (or at least live and let live) and fight against those who oppress you (either through peaceful or non-peaceful means).

It's just that we are subtly (or in some countries not so subtly) brainwashed by them (the world's richest and most corrupt people who basically follow no true religion or morals) to believe in the system as an unshakable truth and keep the current state: them getting richer and more powerful by the day, and us, the common folk believing we are  "preserving our freedoms" by fighting the fabricated "common enemy" and getting distracted by all the glitter they are constantly throwing in our face.

It doesn't even have to be capitalism. You have the same thing in communist countries. And any other socio-economical system that has been tried to date.

So history constantly repeats the cycle. The people finally realize there is a problem, "unite and revolt" and put new guys in charge, change the system. But the new guys get corrupted by the power and money and start stirring up trouble so their not so nice deeds can pass unnoticed. Until the sheep wake up again. Only this time with the rise of technology and mass consumerism the sheep are in a state of induced coma with little hope of realizing what's really happening around them.
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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #22 on: 15-11-2015, 18:11:17 »
Are you telling me that we live in the Matrix?

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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #23 on: 15-11-2015, 18:11:40 »
Horrible things.

I don´t like how some Muslims claim that those terrorists "weren´t Muslims". Imagine I would claim that Germans wouldn´t have any responsibility for the Holocaust because those "were the Nazis and not Germans".

I would like to see some more action against extremists from the 95% moderate Muslims. Currently it seems to me they are more busy cleaning their image in the media rather than doing anything.

Meanwhile we have Salafists preaching the Sharia in Germany and nobody does anything against it. The freedom of religion has to be protected but only until it attacks the rights of others. If someone claims that beating your wife is okay or that assaulting someone who insults Muhammad is your duty, then you should be forbidden to preach. If you continue to do so, you should be put into jail.

I feel the state does very little against those radicals who are currently recruiting frustrated immigrants. And here is where moderate Muslims should help. The moment they notice someone preaching hate, they should report him. They should do something and start acting against radicalism. All I see however is people crying how unfair it is that those extremists call themselves Muslims too.
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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #24 on: 15-11-2015, 19:11:54 »
But we assimilate to other society and don't blow up anybody, can't see the difference? Or socialist policy  already spoiled your brain?
I haven't seen Poles blowing up stuff, you are correct about that. But you act like most people who scream on the internet without giving it any thought: you blame all muslims/immigrants for a problem caused by a group.

But hey, I already know that you can't see the difference, seeing the fact that you think my "brain is spoiled". You also don't have your facts straight, as we could see with you calling Hollande a communist.

Have fun being narrowminded.

Btw: http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/terrorism-the-other-religions.html
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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #25 on: 15-11-2015, 23:11:29 »
Btw: http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/terrorism-the-other-religions.html

Buhahahahah!  ;D German nazists and Soviet Russia are also counted as "Christians"?  ;D

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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #26 on: 16-11-2015, 00:11:39 »
Buhahahahah!  ;D German nazists and Soviet Russia are also counted as "Christians"?  ;D
You are doing great in continuing to show your ignorance. If you really think there is no link whatsoever between Nazi Germany and the church, I suggest to go and read some books on it. If you don't have the time for that, watch this (not the best example maybe, but an example at least): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj27wm0Wfxg

About Soviets you have a point, although just partially: the author writes a nuance in his text about the Russians, but I'm not surprised that got lost on you.


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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #27 on: 16-11-2015, 01:11:17 »
Cool... You have more movies based on "historical facts"? Anyway Nazists didn't kill in the name of God. And this comparision for XX century is quite false taking the fact that we had two World Wars in that period in Europe... Anyway, I don't care - Western Europe countries are already lost...

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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #28 on: 16-11-2015, 01:11:56 »

The problem at the moment is caused by politically correct radical left winged parties wich have grasped their grip on europe for the past years. They caused all of this mess, because they wanna do everything opposite of right winged. In fear of return of facism. But look at what got us that

So pretty much, people need to understand that both far right and radical left winged parties are both equally responsible for killings, for pain, suffering... That both are bad.


What we had to do was take a middle way. Both left and right have very good arguments, choises, ideas, you name it. But we have been forced to think either black or white.


Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
Its time to throw out all old political parties and start a-new


Theta, we're visiting this forum for longer, I like and respect you, and here comes the but:

There are 385 million people in europe and after 140 died you fear for your life. You're obviously much to spoiled by the compfortable life you got, having stuck your but to the central heating. You are the perfect victim for radical islamic suicidebombers who only wait to set you in fear, selling your constitutional rights for the safety of your butt glued to the heating.

On top of that, it was mostly conservative parties who created the current constitutions in european countries after the last devastating war.
It is the same conservative parties constantly trying to demount the given constitutional rights each day. And now you blame the socialist parties for not letting the conservatives demount the constitutions and consider the socialists destroying europe by a fictional grip you see them to have over europe.

You got a strange viewpoint there.


Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)

This is the very next problem. You're someone from an eastern european country. We'd like to see a united europe so much, but in the current hour the differences turn out.
Eastern Europe was ruled for 50 years by the communist party. The communist party had a different ideology than the fascists, but the means in implementing the ideology to the people are the same. Both factions rely on phasing unions and cultural organisations while banning non government organisations. Both rely on youth organisations, flag ceremonies, nationalism, and hampering mobility in all means, both citizen mobility and foreigner/immigration mobility. This is the system that ruled eastern europe for generations.

If you're thinking of the good old days your grandparents lived in, it was totalism. You're not really free, the cage is still in your head and you do not dare to look beyond.

You would have probably been better off staying with Putin and Russia.
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Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
« Reply #29 on: 16-11-2015, 01:11:13 »
Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)

This is the very next problem. You're someone from an eastern european country. We'd like to see a united europe so much, but in the current hour the differences turn out.
Eastern Europe was ruled for 50 years by the communist party. The communist party had a different ideology than the fascists, but the means in implementing the ideology to the people are the same. Both factions rely on phasing unions and cultural organisations while banning non government organisations. Both rely on youth organisations, flag ceremonies, nationalism, and hampering mobility in all means, both citizen mobility and foreigner/immigration mobility. This is the system that ruled eastern europe for generations.

If you're thinking of the good old days your grandparents lived in, it was totalism. You're not really free, the cage is still in your head and you do not dare to look beyond.

You would have probably been better off staying with Putin and Russia.

United Europe? You mean such Europe where Angela says how many "poor' refugees which country must take? Yeah, thanks so much for such union...

The period between Word Wars was the best time of Polish modern history. I wonder how this could be possible to build all the economy, army, education system so quickly from scratch after over 100 years of occupation. Comparing our todays 25 years of freedom to those 21 years... It's simply abyss... Especially if we take under consideration that we fought against Soviet Russia and had deep political crisis in the meantime of those 21 years... Reason? In that time we had authoritarian regime... We Poles need a dictator to rule our country! Otherwise we will have government full of thieves - we have more deputies than USA! This is madness!

Here is the video from our Independence March from this week:
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