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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #45 on: 30-09-2012, 21:09:25 »
MG34 and MG42 is always hailed as superior. Superior in the LMG role in surpressive fire? without a doubt

But did you ever tried to dissmantle the bloody thing? Or do you know how german troops had to make sure that they

1.Dint overheatted the barrel
Changing the barrel of a MG42 takes you about 5 seconds. This is an aspect where the MG42 excelled. Also it wasn´t water cooled and thus weight was reasonably lower.

Plus the weapon was overkill.....even in bursts could this weapon waste huge amounts of ammo.
That´s why the gunners were trained to shoot bursts. Also the MG held the firepower of the whole Zug, so it was supposed to consume ammunition; other weapons being only some Kar98ks getting off a shot here and there.

i think the best machineguns are still the post war MG's. Who borrowed elements from various designs. I am talking about=

-The Rheinmetall MG3
Which is pretty much a MG 42 with a tad less rate of fire, different lock and nato calibre. But it´s essentialy a modified MG42.
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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #46 on: 30-09-2012, 21:09:17 »
MG3 has a heavier barrel to decrease the amount of time needed to change a barrel

Watercooling is heavier weight, yes, but carrying a bunch of spare barrels neglected that. And a barrel can be lost, and a barrel costs more to produce then a jacket containing water and oil

The wehrmacht already requested heavier barrels with the MG42 from day one because it simply overheatted way to fast...

So stationary wise, something wich still happend alot in WW2, a watercooled MG was still much better then the MG42.

And the russian maxim issent that all to bad in moving it to a new position..well.....for a watercooled MG that is....
The gun itself dint weighted that much more then the MG42...But the carriage it came with...

13KG for the gun...
10KG for the gunshield
...40KG for the carriage

Things improved alot with the SG43 however. well, weight wise (41KG compared to 60+KG for PM1910)

But again, i have always been talking about the advantages STATIONARY wise  ;)
Even the germans re-used old MG 08's in bunkers on the eastfront because you could just keep them firing and firing and firing and firing.

Never forget what the maxim did in WW1. 10 vickers MG of the 100th machine gun corps firing over 1 million rounds with 100 barrels for 12 hours without one single breakdown.........
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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #47 on: 30-09-2012, 21:09:57 »
Just an addendum ;)
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Also the MG held the firepower of the whole Zug, so it was supposed to consume ammunition
The MG42 was actually the main source of firepower for the "Gruppe" (squad). Each "Zug" (platoon) had 4 MMGs, one per squad. But otherwise you´re right.
I´d also rate better versatility more important. A MG42 was light enough to be carried as light MG, but was also able to act as HMG.
The Maxim water cooled machine gun was as outdated in WW2, as the BAR or belt fed machine guns. There´s a reason basically all armies went for aircooled medium machine guns instead of heavy water cooled ones, after the war.
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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #48 on: 30-09-2012, 21:09:53 »
Yet magazine fed machine guns still exist. Yet they supplant these GPMG's.

But no MG of today is completly like the MG's of WW2.

They all became belt fed, wich they took from heavy MG's (maxims where still the first guns to have them)
They use barrels wich can be easily removed, and this is all taken either from the Bren gun, or in the MG3 case of the MG42
They all have more ROF then WW2 magazine fed LMGS but less then the MG34/42.

And the designs vary heavily

The MG3 is basicly a refined MG3. Simpler construction, heavier barrel, slower ROF
the MAG took the locking mechanism is modeled on that of the Browning M1918 (BAR) automatic rifle, and the feed and trigger mechanisms are from MG42
The PK in turn is a rather origenal design. from Kalashnikovs previous automatic rifle(not the AK)

But even the oldies return to the battlefield someday. The latest PKP pecheneg, wich fills the same spot as the MG42....uses the same forced air cooling technique as the Lewis gun  ;D

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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #49 on: 30-09-2012, 21:09:54 »
Yet magazine fed machine guns still exist. Yet they supplant these GPMG's.


Yeah but in what numbers?

But no MG of today is completly like the MG's of WW2.

No shit
They all became belt fed, wich they took from heavy MG's (maxims where still the first guns to have them)
They use barrels wich can be easily removed, and this is all taken either from the Bren gun, or in the MG3 case of the MG42

Yes, the ancient "Copy, adapt and improve" drill, nothing new.


And the designs vary heavily

The MG3 is basicly a refined MG42. Simpler construction, heavier barrel, slower ROF
the MAG took the locking mechanism is modeled on that of the Browning M1918 (BAR) automatic rifle, and the feed and trigger mechanisms are from MG42
The PK in turn is a rather origenal design. from Kalashnikovs previous automatic rifle(not the AK)

But even the oldies return to the battlefield someday. The latest PKP pecheneg, wich fills the same spot as the MG42....uses the same forced air cooling technique as the Lewis gun  ;D

Wait, weren't we discussing Maxim vs Mg42?
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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #50 on: 30-09-2012, 22:09:52 »

The MG42 was actually the main source of firepower for the "Gruppe" (squad). Each "Zug" (platoon) had 4 MMGs, one per squad.
Ja, ich war Zivi. My mistake, a MG for around 9-12 men is what I meant.

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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #51 on: 30-09-2012, 22:09:10 »
Yet magazine fed machine guns still exist. Yet they supplant these GPMG's.


Yeah but in what numbers?

RPK in huge numbers.China, japan,france, UK...All have magazine/drum fed LMG's supplanting GPMG in the LMG role
the USMC returning with the M27IAR... Altough the yanks completly fuck things up by replacing MINIMI's with these things... Yes the IAR might be somewhat easier to deploy, but it will never replace one minimi. you need 22 30 round magazines to have the same firepower loadout as a SINGLE SAW GUNNER.........
And there are bigger magazines out there for the IAR.....but they dont give them to the IAR gunner...........
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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #52 on: 30-09-2012, 23:09:56 »
The guy I worked with during my night shift last week was a minimi gunner, he is still in love with it, he said almost no kickback and super easy to aim even while firing.

And for all the maxim lovers:



This spring is why I would never prefer it.
Maxim is only great when you don't have to move it and when your ammunition is the same quality.
Steel belts are not liked by this weapon (steel rubbing over brass has a cutting effect damaging the feed tray), only cloth, and what happens to cloth in damp places?

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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #53 on: 01-10-2012, 17:10:35 »
It's only for those hosting servers. Your game will fail if you patched over your client copy manually.

But why? The changelog seems to say that it has AI updates and stuffs. So I can't use it for my SP session?

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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #54 on: 01-10-2012, 18:10:55 »
And is this thread a proper place for bickering about machine guns? How about here instead:
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=17758.0
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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #55 on: 01-10-2012, 18:10:42 »
This always starts when somebody says something about the allies and some guy pops in "YEAH BUT THE GERMANS HAD BETTER STUFF"


And then ofcourse i engage them back  ;D

oh well, Lovely maxim is lovely! TOP shelve work Pointblank86!
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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #56 on: 02-10-2012, 05:10:46 »
This always starts when somebody says something about the allies and some guy pops in "YEAH BUT THE GERMANS HAD BETTER STUFF"


And then ofcourse i engage them back  ;D

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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #57 on: 05-10-2012, 18:10:51 »
Depending on where the MG is deployed the gunner will be more harder to kill because of the shield. I can imagine someone deploying the MG in the end of long road where granades can't reach and the gunner fires at will. Nice MG though and the shield will provide a good cover for its user, way better than any other MG out there in the mod currently.

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Re: Maximum Firepower - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #58 on: 05-10-2012, 23:10:41 »
It will be a nice tie between the Lafette yes. The lafette has the range advantage, the PM M1910 will have its gunshield as an advantage. There is a reason why the russians builded hundreds of thousands of these MG"s during WW2 alone.

Will we also see the PV-1 variant?



These where origenally mounted on aircraft, but when these old aircraft retired, tens of thousands of these where used as anti-aircraft guns in triple mountings. These could also be lowered enough to engage ground targets
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