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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #330 on: 02-01-2013, 22:01:07 »
Which server Unique and Horst are playing?  ;D

Seems like a challenge for me.  8)

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #331 on: 28-02-2013, 17:02:36 »

2) Are you planning to increase the frontal armour of the Jagdpanzer IV and especially Hetzer in the next
    patch? We have Shermans taking 75mm hits, even without range modifier.
   a) Yet the Hetzer can´t even deflect 57mm or even 75mm hits, although having very effective frontal
       armour. The real vehicle could even bounce 76mm shells at times.
   b) Jagdpanzer IV has been killed with one shot by 76mm armed Shermans and Bazookas several times,
      despite having similar armour protection to the Panther.

A)only on long ranges was the 60mm armour of the hetzer actually effective. Because at short ranges the guns of sherman tanks could be pointed low enough so the impact angle was less

But yeah, a 57mm or 75mm should not penetrate the hetzer tough

B) The jagdpanzer has simular armour protection as the Panzer IV.80mm frontal, 40mm side and 20mm rear armour. The front is not as protected as the Pänther tank. The panther tank is one flat 50 degree back tilted 80mm plate wich has a protection  of 130mm. The jagdpanzer 80mm frontal armour is on the upper nose plate and the superstructure, but this is barely sloped so it gives only slightly better armour protection then a PZIV. At short ranges a 75mm gun could even penetrate it.

I wouldnt make it a 1S1K for 76mm shermans tough. The penetration is 93mm at 500 meters. So it should be made to survive a frontal hit. But not a side or rear hit.

As for the bazooka, the early M1 shouldnt penetrate it but the M9 should. again same story as with the 76mm=no 1s1k
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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #332 on: 28-02-2013, 20:02:07 »


B) The jagdpanzer has simular armour protection as the Panzer IV.80mm frontal, 40mm side and 20mm rear armour. The front is not as protected as the Pänther tank. The panther tank is one flat 50 degree back tilted 80mm plate wich has a protection  of 130mm. The jagdpanzer 80mm frontal armour is on the upper nose plate and the superstructure, but this is barely sloped so it gives only slightly better armour protection then a PZIV. At short ranges a 75mm gun could even penetrate it.
You are kidding me, right? It´s sloped back at 50 degrees... and 80mm. It´s not even CLOSE to the protection of a Panzer IV, it´s way better.



Where the hell is there a 90 degree angle on the front like it was on the Panzer IV? Jagdpanzer IVs were actually effective in their tank hunting role because of the low profile, firepower and the well sloped frontal armour. You must be talking about the Alkett model (of which not that many were made) - the Vomag version however had a similar frontal protection to the Panther. Sides and rear are of course like that of the Panzer IV, but who cares anyway, as that part is thin either way, I was referring to the frontal armour.
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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #333 on: 01-03-2013, 16:03:38 »
sorry i looked at the alkett model  ;D


I always found those prettier then the late war ones
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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #334 on: 02-03-2013, 13:03:43 »

B) The jagdpanzer has simular armour protection as the Panzer IV.80mm frontal, 40mm side and 20mm rear armour. The front is not as protected as the Pänther tank. The panther tank is one flat 50 degree back tilted 80mm plate wich has a protection  of 130mm. The jagdpanzer 80mm frontal armour is on the upper nose plate and the superstructure, but this is barely sloped so it gives only slightly better armour protection then a PZIV. At short ranges a 75mm gun could even penetrate it.


This made me kinda rofl. What are you smoking dude?  ;D

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #335 on: 02-03-2013, 20:03:28 »
I LOOKED AT ZHE ALKETT MODEL YAH?





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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #336 on: 05-03-2013, 04:03:16 »
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Theta, where ever in FH2 did you see that Alkett model?
I still think the FH2 one is better (looks flat and no 90 degree armor).

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #337 on: 05-03-2013, 17:03:47 »
Why dont you go sit in the corner, shortpants

I made a mistake of taking the specifications of the Alket early model instead of the vomag model, i confuse the 2 names ye?  So before you start talking shit like that, pay actuall attention where i am speaking in favour-OF your sorry german tanks and i admitted i made a mistake
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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #338 on: 07-03-2013, 20:03:27 »
THeTA0123 relax dude stay reasonable FFS.





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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #339 on: 08-03-2013, 17:03:44 »
Does everything have to escalate here? xD

He agrees that Hetzer should have more frontal armour. It´s even more broken than Shermans... just the opposite direction. Despite the strange tank system it can´t even deflect small calibre hits frontally. I don´t get how a Sherman with less effective frontal armour protection can take the hit of a stronger gun, while the Hetzer with more effective frontal armour protection falls victim to a gun with less of a punch. (Or put different: Less Armour + less effective gun > Better armour + better gun.) I don´t like the Hetzer.
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