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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #15 on: 27-08-2012, 17:08:03 »
should maybe, but is it from fh's material map or whatever its called?



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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #16 on: 27-08-2012, 18:08:21 »
No, that is a WoT armour map iirc.

Our Churchill III has this:


FH2's collisionmeshes typically are much less complex.  E.g., I spent the whole of 2.1->2.2 thinking the Grant had weak side hatches, when really the whole side was the same.

Also, since people complain about it so much, here is the Cromwell:
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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #17 on: 27-08-2012, 19:08:45 »
EU. Yes it is from WOT. But it is made with the armour thicknesses of the actuall Churchill tank. Wich is accurate exept for the Frontall turret armour.



Personally, i would make the lower hull plate 100mm. The mantlet around the coaxial MG was also thicker then the rest of the armour, so i would give it 100mm aswel. The sides and top are fine. The gun MANTLET should also be 100mm. Not talking about the frontall Turret armour, its the small areas around the gun.

This is just my 5 cents.
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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #18 on: 27-08-2012, 23:08:52 »
hmm so it seems that the coax and hatch are the thickest parts?



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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #19 on: 28-08-2012, 08:08:39 »
What does "at 90" means? Does it means that it is affected by angle mod?

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #20 on: 28-08-2012, 11:08:14 »
Just the angle from horizontal.  But those are only the names for the material groups, I hadn't unpacked the material manager files that would show the actual materials used for each group.

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #21 on: 28-08-2012, 12:08:38 »
Yeah, it means 32mm at 90 degree. What is with the green part above the the yellowish side armor section? I know it is the upper side armor but it looks kinda strange, when I think about it as a collission mesh where factors like angle mod play a role. If you hit this protuding green box in a bad angle from point blank it is no miracle that a shot can bounce off.

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #22 on: 28-08-2012, 14:08:56 »
Yesterday my Tiger was destroyed by 2 shots of normal Shermans and the angle was less than 30...  ::)

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #23 on: 28-08-2012, 15:08:21 »
Yeah, it means 32mm at 90 degree. What is with the green part above the the yellowish side armor section? I know it is the upper side armor but it looks kinda strange, when I think about it as a collission mesh where factors like angle mod play a role. If you hit this protuding green box in a bad angle from point blank it is no miracle that a shot can bounce off.

Yeah that might actually be it, combined with the fast speed of the tank.

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #24 on: 28-08-2012, 15:08:17 »
Is this little box only on the left side of the tank? Because judging from the screen it looks like this.

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #25 on: 28-08-2012, 16:08:39 »
There is another in a different place on the right hand side.  I half wonder if those rivets on the turret cause problems too.

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #26 on: 28-08-2012, 16:08:14 »
Noticed to my surprise that Churchill IV now gets one-shotted from the side by Panzerschreck. Was this always so?

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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #27 on: 28-08-2012, 17:08:44 »
Noticed to my surprise that Churchill IV now gets one-shotted from the side by Panzerschreck. Was this always so?
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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #28 on: 28-08-2012, 18:08:50 »
So the results for Schreck versus Churchill are realistic. Might I propose to drive in a Sherman if you want to survife Schreck hits? ;D
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Re: Powerful Tanks Become Vulnerable in 2.45
« Reply #29 on: 28-08-2012, 19:08:37 »
There is another in a different place on the right hand side.  I half wonder if those rivets on the turret cause problems too.

If you consider how "sloped" those rivets are, then the chance is quiet good, that the dealt damage gets reduced or a shot simply bounces off.

@Shreck: If a Shreck really 1S1K a Churchill IV and struggles with a standard Sherman, then we have a problem somewhere or am I wrong?