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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #75 on: 21-08-2012, 21:08:00 »
i still want the PE-2!

if only i could make it with my bear hands
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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #76 on: 21-08-2012, 21:08:20 »
Bear hands are mostly suited for eating berries and catching Salmon.

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #77 on: 21-08-2012, 21:08:56 »
Bear hands are mostly suited for eating berries and catching Salmon.


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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #78 on: 21-08-2012, 21:08:02 »
At some point, we would have to define "battle". Battle of Brody is starting to border on saying Battle of Kursk was the largest tank battle ever. The other was fought in a 100x100 km box over a week, the other in a 200x100 km box over two weeks. :P

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #79 on: 21-08-2012, 23:08:00 »
At some point, we would have to define "battle". Battle of Brody is starting to border on saying Battle of Kursk was the largest tank battle ever. The other was fought in a 100x100 km box over a week, the other in a 200x100 km box over two weeks. :P

True dat.  Then yah, I'd say Gembloux was probably the biggest.  Also was the lost French chance to cut off the german spearheads and destroy them.  If they had counter attacked through after defeating and crushing those Panzer divisions as they did, they could have completely sliced off the germans, pocketed them, and wiped them out.  Post war German accounts, documented in "Strange Victory" by Dr. Ernest May, note that "if Prioux had been reinforced, instead of ordered to withdraw, the whole German front in Belgium might have crumpled."

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #80 on: 22-08-2012, 05:08:44 »
So, if we count the whole battle of Kursk (2 months, from July to August 1943). Is it still the largest tank battle (by the number of tanks involved)?

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #81 on: 22-08-2012, 06:08:22 »
http://panzerschreck.strefa.pl/zdjecia/kursk/29.jpg

Can I haz that infanry tank riding position? Laying lazily on the side of the turret, protected, with a wrench or occasional shot.

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #82 on: 22-08-2012, 06:08:24 »
That's not a infantry, that's crew members sticking out of the turret hatches.


And if you count the entire Kursk CAMPAIGN, it's still not the largest, as Brody and others still are greater than it.  Kursk was multiple battles and fronts across hundreds of kilometers of ground, it was never some singular battle.  THe syntax issue comes from the pop history version of the word "battle" and the more technical military history correct term battle, which refers to a set of skirmishes or combat that focused on a small area of land for limited objectives.  For instance, the Battle of Arnhem is a single battle, of the Market Garden Campaign.  But the battle of normandy is actually a large assortment of battles that make up the Normandy Campaign.  A more correct terminology for Kursk would be the Kursk campaign, which would include all combat along the salient plus the russian post-Prok/Ponryi Station counter offensives.

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #83 on: 22-08-2012, 20:08:42 »

Posted probably zillion times ... but still wish to see that Pz IV H in game  ;D

Theres a picture with Pz IV loaded with infantry behind turret , plus 2 MG gunners laying on sides of turret and aiming from MG 34 ... now i cant find that photo .... founded  ;)

Is that possible to make that in game ?

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #84 on: 22-08-2012, 21:08:17 »
This topic is a nice idea, btw i think that people who wants to take a look at the evolution of ideas/maps caracteristics will be lost in all of those comments !

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #85 on: 22-08-2012, 23:08:04 »
Pretty please?


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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #86 on: 23-08-2012, 21:08:05 »
Thanks Mudra. Yes as I understand it, there are many battles in Normandy campaign alone, and FH2 have covered a good number of them beginning, from the beach landing (Pointe-du-hoc), then continued with thrust to the south (Lebisey, PHL) and then to the Cotentin Peninsula (Cobra, Brest), and the attack to the other side as a pincer culminating from the bulge created by Luettich (Goodwood and Totalize, then Falaise Pocket).

This also makes the term "Battle of the Bulge" also a bit off. Since it involved many events and covers quite big area as well. We got the crossings of Meuse River, Eppeldorf, defense of Bastogne, Battle of Foy, St. Vith, etc... surely, it is operation Watch over Rhine, similar to Citadel, are big military campaigns, and also with ambitious goals.

Therefore to be fair, Kursk shouldn't be represented by one map only. Perhaps, the pop history version refers to the coordination and the timely execution of the attack to encircle the city of Kursk (which happens almost at the same time), therefore it is called "the Battle for Kursk."
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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #87 on: 23-08-2012, 21:08:52 »
We got the crossings of Meuse River, Eppeldorf, defense of Bastogne, Battle of Foy, St. Vith, etc...

Foy? where?

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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #88 on: 23-08-2012, 21:08:56 »
On the test server
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Re: The road to Prokhorovka
« Reply #89 on: 23-08-2012, 21:08:01 »
Foy? where?
in Battle of Bulge

On the test server
Maybe it was but there is no Foy I know about atm. I think that limit of Ardennes map is reached.