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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #30 on: 13-08-2012, 15:08:43 »
Very nice tanks there. The Finnish army used to use these tanks back in the WW2 too. And nice to see the developer team has got another new developer in the team. Looking forward to see some static models in the future.

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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #31 on: 13-08-2012, 16:08:57 »
T-34-85's were only used during Lapland War if I remember correct. Since the "85" was a totally new for the finns and it's first combat against the finns was at Leitimojärvi, during the campaign of Tali-Ihantala. Finns captured a few of these tanks but they did not use them until later in Lapland War.

Please correct me if I am wrong thought.
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« Reply #32 on: 13-08-2012, 16:08:26 »
Speking of finnish tanks. Does anyone have picture of finnish Vickers 6-ton with original turret and gun? I have only seen tanks fitted with T-26 turret and 45mm gun  :( Or did it even have different looking turret?

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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #33 on: 13-08-2012, 16:08:20 »
I thought it was some kind of russian tractor  :-\
Well, a tank is fine too, I guess...

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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #34 on: 13-08-2012, 16:08:23 »
You was talking about that tank ?

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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #35 on: 13-08-2012, 16:08:28 »
Speking of finnish tanks. Does anyone have picture of finnish Vickers 6-ton with original turret and gun? I have only seen tanks fitted with T-26 turret and 45mm gun  :( Or did it even have different looking turret?
Vickers 6-ton:
http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps161007/ps161007.html

T-26E:
http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps161006/ps161006.html
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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #36 on: 13-08-2012, 17:08:45 »
I suggest to post the videos of animation preview on the frontpage as well, as Im sure there are more people reading the frontpage then the forum !

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« Reply #37 on: 13-08-2012, 17:08:41 »
I suggest to post the videos of animation preview on the frontpage as well, as Im sure there are more people reading the frontpage then the forum !
I guess the thing is, that those are (or might be) WIP animations, so wouldn't it be bit silly to advertise the mod with stuff that is subject to change.

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« Reply #38 on: 13-08-2012, 17:08:24 »
no - as then at least we are in the mind of the people and thats the most important thing - not that the stuff might change a little bit -

(and not everything that was posted on the mainpage made it into the mod -,)

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« Reply #39 on: 13-08-2012, 18:08:16 »

Let´s just hope that everything from a 75mm/L48 upwards makes short process with those stell coffins.
actually....

T34 armour is 47mm thick. This is sloped back 60 degrees wich equals to 94mm of actuall armour protection if we are talking about a perfect 90 degree angle engagement condition.
The turret armour(front) of a T34 is 60mm and on the T34-85 90mm, mantlet thickness not calculated with.

The KWK 40 penetrated 96mm of armour(best condition) at 500 meters and 85mm at 1000 meters.
So i actually have some bad news for you, pal  ;)  FH2 dynamics, even before 2.45, ment that this is not a 1s1k scenario, as witnessed on the M4A3 sherman on 2.4

Now dont bring the so called bad russian steel armour discussion back, as this was only the case with 1941's super fast produced T34's.
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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #40 on: 13-08-2012, 19:08:50 »
Some quotes about the T-34 from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34

"Some Panzer IV tanks and StuG III assault guns armed with the longer, higher velocity 7.5cm KwK 40 L/43 (or the longer L/48 guns) had also begun appearing on the Eastern Front by late 1942. This later gun was capable of destroying a T-34 frontally at around 1,000 metres."

- That´s 1000 metres... we are talking about only 500 metres in FH2. Should be an easy kill.

"However, in 1944 the Soviets lost 23,700 fully tracked AFVs (only 2,200 of which were light tanks): this was the highest number of AFV losses in a single year by any country in history.[87] Of these 58% were T-34s, the majority of those being the new up-gunned and improved T-34/85s. Despite having the operational and strategic advantage and Soviet losses were about 4 tanks for every German tank destroyed."

"It can be argued that the T-34 was a ‘war winning’ tank on a strategic level, but this should not detract from the fact that at a tactical level its performance during four years of continuous war was relatively poor."

- I´m not convinced by the armour of the T-34. It lost its power when the long 7,5cm was introduced. Its armour was easily penetrated at 1000 metres. The losses occured mainly versus the standard 7,5cm KwK 40 and later Panzerfausts.
- Further Germans aimed directly at the part between turret and hull to get certain kills.
- You know the old phrase from german tank crews? "Don´t worry about the Russian, he will miss the first shot." But we propably won´t have the difference in optics.
- The result of giving that tin can the ability to stand 7,5cm htis would be the same disaster as we have now. Panzer IV etc. getting off the first shot and then being 1S1K by the 85mm, which is bullocks (if the Panzer hits first).
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« Reply #41 on: 13-08-2012, 19:08:11 »
Yet who says these sources are reliable? It says a name, and a page. Or some book, and some author. But who says they are credible? reliable?
I am very cautious with Wikipedia pages...or infact anything from the internet. The internet has made sure that 90% of the people think that the garand cant be reloaded midclip. Propaganda is still the biggest source of many historians, both german, american and russian.

This is something i trust=

We had nothing comparable. —Friedrich von Mellenthin
Thats a Generalmajor from the wehrmacht who saw actuall combat.

Its all up for the devs to decide on this matter.
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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #42 on: 13-08-2012, 19:08:13 »
With current tanking system, its all meaningless you know.
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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #43 on: 13-08-2012, 19:08:20 »
http://operationbarbarossa.net/Myth-Busters/MythBusters2.html  And i have trust in this documented facts  8)
But who cares ... with 2.45 standards , even a T-26 should survive a hit from Tiger I  :P

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Re: За Сталина! - Forgotten Hope 2 Update
« Reply #44 on: 13-08-2012, 19:08:14 »
With the current system, let's worry about the Kwk42 first..

The model is awesome though, GJ on that.