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Offline AdamPA1006

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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #135 on: 26-07-2012, 18:07:53 »
I hate the new tank system, I really do. Makes maps like Gazala unplayable since you need 3-5 shots and very long range instead of one. Extremely hard to do.

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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #136 on: 26-07-2012, 19:07:34 »
Thread name could be renamed "Inefficiency of all tanks guns".   The same code is applied on all tanks so saying the 1s1k issue is only related to a particular gun (or tank), that is rubbish. 
 
   Axis vehicles vs allied vehicles          : https://vimeo.com/46430855
 
   Allied vehicles vs axis vehicles          : https://vimeo.com/46431253

   Sherman 76w vs 80mm armor plate    : https://vimeo.com/46431746

   m36 vs 80mm armor plate                : https://vimeo.com/46431518

  Sherman 76w vs 60mm armor plate    : https://vimeo.com/46432394

  88mm heavy flak gun vs tigers          : https://vimeo.com/46431995

  Panzer 5 vs sherman 76w ( in game ) : https://vimeo.com/46433457   Any 1s1k problem ?

 
 
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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #137 on: 26-07-2012, 19:07:38 »

All point blank shots. The problem occurs at range. Where a late Sherman takes 3 75/L70 shots to die at perfect angles.
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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #138 on: 26-07-2012, 20:07:10 »
WHAT!? WHaaaaaat!? M36 needs 2 shots to kill KT at point blank range? what is this shit?!
Anyway, as you can see allied tanks have problems killing heavier german tanks regardless of range even when shot to the side, even when its 76mm hitting 60mm plate.
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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #139 on: 26-07-2012, 20:07:54 »


Do you know why? The M36 and 17pdr lost the ability to one shot Panther by hitting mantlet, and yet they should. This is the result of "less 1s1k, more survivability, more balance". You see it's on both side (ruins the gameplay on both side ::))


But I can't see any decent tanker on US side though, seeing Strat_84's nice K/D makes me understand why he's so mad at Axis armor :P
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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #140 on: 26-07-2012, 20:07:44 »
Except it's very unlikely I ever got in a tank a single time during that map.

Oh, and I've never been a K/D ratio whore, look at the assist points.

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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #141 on: 26-07-2012, 20:07:35 »
@ Theta:

I don't think a single person here has said they want shermans to be two shots to the side of a panther.  In fact, most people here, myself included, have said that they DO want shermans to one shot one kill panthers to the side.  But that only works if panthers can also kill a sherman at ANY range to ANY side.

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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #142 on: 26-07-2012, 23:07:38 »
@ Theta:

I don't think a single person here has said they want shermans to be two shots to the side of a panther.  In fact, most people here, myself included, have said that they DO want shermans to one shot one kill panthers to the side.  But that only works if panthers can also kill a sherman at ANY range to ANY side.

^^this, not to mention being able to 1s1kill an early model Panther from the front thanks to the shottrap.
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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #143 on: 27-07-2012, 00:07:51 »
Except it's very unlikely I ever got in a tank a single time during that map.

Oh, and I've never been a K/D ratio whore, look at the assist points.

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Mentioning kd becomes kd whore, just like mentioning axis armor becomes axis obsessed.

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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #144 on: 27-07-2012, 01:07:34 »
@ Theta:

I don't think a single person here has said they want shermans to be two shots to the side of a panther.  In fact, most people here, myself included, have said that they DO want shermans to one shot one kill panthers to the side.  But that only works if panthers can also kill a sherman at ANY range to ANY side.
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i 100% completly agree with on that level

But a sherman M4A3 should not be 1s1k from the front by the PanzerIV/STUG KWK 40  thats the only point i am making :/


wow frak me...the M36 does needs like 3 shots on long range

What the FRAK are you people bitching about, german tanks will still always win 1 to 1
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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #145 on: 27-07-2012, 01:07:02 »
The sherman M3A3 should absolutely be one shot one kill.  You keep saying it yourself, the penetration was at 500 yards.  But average FH2 engagement range is 300-400 yards (fog distance that is).  So it should penetrate with utter ease.

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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #146 on: 27-07-2012, 01:07:55 »
But a sherman M4A3 should not be 1s1k from the front by the PanzerIV/STUG KWK 40  thats the only point i am making :/
I brought up the 75mm/L48 in the title because that gun has the most problems. Even pre 2.45 I remember there were discussions that the L48 was to weak (and that one wasn´t started by me). Now it´s gotten worse with the new system that of course applies to all guns. It´s a combination of angle mod, the damage decrease over distance AND the fact that the gun doesn´t finish M4A3s and Sherman V with one shot. This then ends up in 4+ shots to finish said Shermans in some situations. With the 76mm and even the allied 75mm I didn´t have those problems with Panzer IVs yet, not even in 2.45 and not to that extend.

What the FRAK are you people bitching about, german tanks will still always win 1 to 1
And that´s wrong. Right now Shermans will beat Panzer IVs, StuGs, Hetzer and Marder in a frontal slugout. I didn´t have any problem with the 76mm yet and even the 75mm can counter Panzer IVs reliably in the turret, while the Panzer IV can´t defeat the Shermans, which it however could. At 500 metres the L48 penetrated every Sherman (except the Jumbo) or as you always describe penetrations: It shreds through like a hot knife through butter.
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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #147 on: 27-07-2012, 02:07:07 »
The sherman M3A3 should absolutely be one shot one kill.  You keep saying it yourself, the penetration was at 500 yards.  But average FH2 engagement range is 300-400 yards (fog distance that is).  So it should penetrate with utter ease.
So you think the penetration of all guns should be increased to closer distance values?  Because lets face it, 300~400 metres ingame is pretty much scaled to >500 real metres.

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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #148 on: 27-07-2012, 02:07:08 »
Sure, sounds good to me.  That way, shots at the ranges combat happens at are actually doing what they would do IRL. |:  My opinion has always been that if it doesn't penetrate, it should do no damage, but if it does penetrate, it should kill.

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Re: Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48
« Reply #149 on: 27-07-2012, 03:07:10 »
But average FH2 engagement range is 300-400 yards (fog distance that is).

I restate my point from before.

in most cases tank combat in-game is within 250m. On maps like Totalize and Cobra you don't tend to have more than 250-300m of unobstructed view on the ground due to buildings, vegetation, or terrain despite the higher view distance.

Africa is another matter however this conversation keeps revolving around the late war tanks hence the above.