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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #30 on: 21-04-2012, 13:04:17 »
They export 90% of the world production of rubies, so I don't see why they would mind some old plane parts which they have no use for being brought out of country, as long as the money's right.

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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #31 on: 21-04-2012, 13:04:17 »
I just read 20, and went wow. Then I read in the box. Which is obviously better than burried in a swamp after crashing.

Very, very cool  8)

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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #32 on: 21-04-2012, 20:04:45 »
Wow, I guess this is one of those stories then. Amazing.

But Myanmar ey? As in: one of the few remaining closed up dictatorships in the world (even with the current reforms). How big is the chance that they'll actually get them to let them out of the country? I hope they can make it work.

 The Spitfire  recovery while started by one man alone, has now become a national effort. The British government and the Burmese (don't ever call them Myanmar) are working at the state level in order to effect this recovery operation.

 Burma is a fucked up country but with a pseudo-democracy they are compelled to participate, mostly to distract the world from what they are really up to.
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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #33 on: 22-04-2012, 01:04:14 »
Burma is a fucked up country but with a pseudo-democracy they are compelled to participate, mostly to distract the world from what they are really up to.

What are they really up to?
There is a military junta reigning the country for decades now, suffering horrible losses in wealth and economic power each year. Seems to me, that they have reached a point where there is nothing left to take for their own advantage and comfort, while a 3rd class caribbean country could occupy the country in a single strike. So I guess they're just saving their own asses from the danger of getting blown away by granting small steps towards democracy. Or is there anything else?

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« Reply #34 on: 22-04-2012, 01:04:08 »
 For starters, the Junta is violently suppressing numerous rebellious tribes (like the Karen), How can one say they are democratic when the people who want freedom are not granted such a privilege? It's a very hypocritical situation IMO.

 Secondly, the human conditions in Burma are far from ideal. Human trafficking is rampant (Burmese prostitutes in Northern Thailand, fishermen as well, in fact the U.N. has offices in Thailand and Laos to deal with the numbers) and freedom of expression as well as economic opportunities are tightly controlled by the elite.

 Phones are bugged, internet is censored, email is filtered, the economy is highly constricted, and the Buddhist religion is heavily monitored.

Thirdly, the environmental situation is rapidly deteriorating mostly because of Chinese hydro-electric projects that are not vetted but there are also concerns about the development of the Burmese offshore oil reserves. With no governmental oversight, a poorly educated workforce and no corporate standards to speak of, Burma is well on its' way to some major environmetal disasters.

 Tropical hardwood forests are disappearing, Fresh and Saltwater fishing is not regulated, and the warfare in the east has allowed thousands of hectares of land to be lost for generations from landmines and unexploded ordinance.


 Given Burma's latest developments, there is a chance for peace but there still remains a possibility of a South Asian equivalent to the "Arab spring" as long as the Burmese civilians are not allowed to live their lives without fear.

 

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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #35 on: 22-04-2012, 01:04:37 »
I agree and i dont think there is much else. No clue what they are really up to.
Military regime gave the people a president last year to make them compliant and as far as I know the militaries do not support educational institutions.
People can't just go to university and study what they want to. They are afraid that people get to educated, that the students build fraterneties or unions that realize what is going on and start to protest. A social and economical disaster.
Most people are poor and are probably farmers that have bigger problems than the political situation.
In the end it all comes down to power again. The military gouvernment does not want to give it away and can just keep it up by staying militarically strong.
I assume they use old weapon systems though, maybe they plan to add the spitties to their military armory :D

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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #36 on: 22-04-2012, 04:04:59 »
I imagined in the past that those Japanese pilots would be surprised that some Allies planes are as or even more maneuverable than theirs'.



Spitfires are one of the most maneuverable fighters in WW2.

On Myanmar, where the Spits has been found

I should warn you that "their democracy" doesn't mean Apple inc, or Toyota, or Vivendi Universal, or General Motors, or JP Morgan Chase could dive in and do whatever they like there (free). Or good hotels and entertainment centers for medium-wealth tourists will be opening soon in Rangoon. Or flock of Burmese internet users supplying us with their unique local memes.

It could be Bolivia, it could be Argentina: Narrow-minded nationalists who fooled the masses by blaming the outsiders for their own incompetence and problems, because it is the easiest and popular with absent-minded simpletons. At least in ASEAN (South East Asia), such thought is still 50-50, between them and those who just accept the situation as it is. Generally poor low-class Asian mud farmers are about 50-50 hardworking, modest-subservient people that is very adaptable, not inflated ego liberal hipsters who think that "we deserve to be rich/have it, because we were simply born into this world."

The only thing that can "check" those elitist is their strong belief in right-or-wrong morality (which is heavily influenced by their culture). For example, if your elitist leader is transvestites/homosexual/murderer/rapist (which is easily unpopular amongst them), expect Arab spring with internal support. Others like corruption, environmental destruction, adultery, would be difficult to respond and some will probably say "I would do the same if I'm in his/her position." And last, oppression is just a matter of perspective (labours probably yes, but farmers probably no).

Religion could be a problem though, because I believe that people listen to the preachings more than government propaganda. That's why they are monitored. As far as I'm concerned, Buddhist is a very very neutral, passive "not-giving-a-fuck" type of teaching. But some monks are inherently human, thus some still has the "attachment" to the real world out there and play a bit of politics. Because Buddhist keep preaching about "happiness."

Aung San Suu Kyi is very strong, but I'm afraid that all those foreign support will make her feel obliged to listen to their demands. It could be popular and unpopular amongst the euphoria of her supporters. The only thing that can brighten their future is to continue with the slow reform overtime. Political prisoners freed, right to strike granted, and more to come.

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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #37 on: 24-04-2012, 09:04:49 »
 Clarify some things here,

 BURMA is not keeping the planes, as part of opening diplomatic relations the Spitfires will help to garner favour from the U.K. The favour from Britain will be returned probably through enhanced culturalé tourist ties and ideally for the Burmese junta, the opportunity to have an ally in the EU which will help extend the holiday from sanctions.


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 Buddhism is both the main problem and the main saving grace for the Burmese people. They need some warrior monks rather than the ultra-passive format of Buddhism that they exercise.
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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #38 on: 24-04-2012, 22:04:39 »
The same guys who found these spitfires, have a lead to a new location where 36! spitfires are buried in a simular fashion. They have leads to other sites aswel. But the locations are undisclosed to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands
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« Reply #39 on: 24-04-2012, 22:04:42 »
Also, do not call Burma "Myanmar."  The name was changed by the ruling Junta, and even the people of Burma refuse to support the name change.  Burma is Burma, and the name "Myanmar" is just a junta fantasy.

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In 1989, the military government officially changed the English translations of many colonial-era names; among these changes was the alteration of the name of the country to "Myanmar". The renaming remains a contested issue.[11] Many opposition groups and countries continue to use "Burma" because they do not recognise the legitimacy of the ruling military government or its authority to rename the country.[12] Various non-Burman ethnic groups choose not to recognise the name because of the association of the term "Myanmar" with the majority ethnic group, the Bamar, rather than with the country.[13][14][15]
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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #40 on: 24-04-2012, 23:04:06 »
Also, do not call Burma "Myanmar."  The name was changed by the ruling Junta, and even the people of Burma refuse to support the name change.  Burma is Burma, and the name "Myanmar" is just a junta fantasy.

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In 1989, the military government officially changed the English translations of many colonial-era names; among these changes was the alteration of the name of the country to "Myanmar". The renaming remains a contested issue.[11] Many opposition groups and countries continue to use "Burma" because they do not recognise the legitimacy of the ruling military government or its authority to rename the country.[12] Various non-Burman ethnic groups choose not to recognise the name because of the association of the term "Myanmar" with the majority ethnic group, the Bamar, rather than with the country.[13][14][15]

I call it Myanmar because my friends, who are from there, call it Myanmar also. And yes, they have escaped there because of the junta.

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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #41 on: 24-04-2012, 23:04:37 »
Also, do not call Burma "Myanmar."  The name was changed by the ruling Junta, and even the people of Burma refuse to support the name change.  Burma is Burma, and the name "Myanmar" is just a junta fantasy.



Yeah, and my remark referred to the government in charge now, not to whatever ideological or ethnicly correct name should be the right one. So...Spitfires, ey? ;-)
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Re: 20 brand new Spitfires found in crates
« Reply #42 on: 25-04-2012, 04:04:33 »
 Refugee's from Burma are commonplace throughout the planet, it's very easy to tell their age by the name they use for their country.


Let's hope they find more buried treasures elsewhere. P38's anyone?
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