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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6510 on: 09-11-2016, 16:11:59 »
Well, shit. Goodbye, post-World War 2 world order!
The results of the election aren´t anything special to the United States if we look on the political development in the Western world in general. Denmark, Poland and Hungary all shifted to the right in their elections. Now this also happened in the US. In Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands and France there are also increasing movements. And of course we have the Brexit. In my opinion this all is a natural consequence of the ever increasing globalization and a general frustration with the political class rather than blatant racism.

If I have to be perfectly honest, I´m also under the impression that in Germany Merkel doesn´t give a single fuck any longer what the population wants. It indeed seems to me we are being ruled by a political establishment that has lost contact with the needs and demands of the common people. Nobody asked the people whether we wanted to take in all these immigrants. The people in Berlin simply declared that everybody should come.

Same applies for the Brexit referendum: The British propably just felt like being ruled by Brussels. Especially Merkels attempt to find a European solution was seen as forcing her immigration policy on others via the EU.

The effect of frustration is fueled by one-sided coverage of events. I´m not going as far as to declare the press is lying but in Germany I´ve witnessed several incidents which show that a certain way of reporting things is desired: A politician who demands that "politics should be about effective solutions to problems and that he would support proposals from the left-wing aswell as those from the right-wing if they are reasonable" is quoted as: "Meuthen wants to work together with Nazis." leaving out the most important part of his statement and totally altering its meaning.

Barely any media tells you about the origin of perpetrators. I always chuckle if the newspaper writes:
"40 people fighting on a street armed with knives" or that
"in an instant 20 agressive people came to oppose the police".
My father already made jokes about this: "Must be the Schneiders and Müllers at it again." That´s what kind of joke parts of our media have become. The biggest issue here is political correctness.

And if the media constantly bashes Trump - and you know the way they report about things - of course his story about fighting the establishment can convince people.

Hate me for it but under these circumstances it´s incredibly refreshing for me to see someone who opposes this mindest of not being allowed to talk about actual problems. I can´t comment on the situation in America and the illegal immigrants. But Trump was spot on with his analysis of Merkels politics against her own people. I hope this is the turning point at which political correctness finally dies out.
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6511 on: 09-11-2016, 17:11:51 »
As an European and living in a country bordering Russia, I am happy for the result.
I do not want another cold war. I don't want having the fear of getting a nuke on my head or sitting in a foxhole while getting pounded by katyusha rockets while awaiting Russian tanks.

For Europeans (russians included) and arabs this was the least painful choice. I am glad the war pig Clinton did not get elected. Her sabre rattling against Russia and no-fly-zone in Syria would have been a surefire way of kickstarting new cold war.

However, I do not like that Iran stuff and the global warming denying.


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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6512 on: 09-11-2016, 19:11:52 »
Never really liked Corbyn, but that was my British bias. But I liked him, because he is the non-elite guy. Along with him, the likes of Italy's Beppe Grillo. And then we have Trump. Down with the establishment!

Also, good luck for EU. I'm slowly beginning to dislike this thing, after being severely against Brexit. This is just another gang of protectionists, excusing itself with occasional leftist token acts. Never liked their morale posturing, never liked their sneering attitude, never liked them being bossy. Good thing Audi is found to be cheating again. And Trump was right about NATO meaning "freeloaders" in Belgian. No one in the membership spend 3% of their annual budget on defense, except UK and Poland. Well, the American-poking sneering Western Europeans ought to commit, or left out to be steamrolled by Russian army for all they worth. It makes me want to see their defense ministers repeating that "Ivan on your bellies than Amis over your head" again. Don't get so bossy, when you can only afford to do so behind American taxpayers' defending your arse.

Yes, German is green, that's good. But the act of self-restrain as in Butcher's post is borderline self-BDSM. I know German has weird taste, but uncanny enforced liberalism in Germany will drive even the centre-est man to vote for Nazi without check.

In Angelo Codevilla's article about ruling class, the establishment of course includes the media, besides the usual political elites. The editor is certainly biased and has political agenda in every publications. The other one is the academia (but probably, because the guy is quite anti global warming).

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6513 on: 09-11-2016, 20:11:40 »
Anti-establishment, hurr durr. Like Trump isn't establishment himself, lol.

About the NATO thing: NATO can be dissolved afaic. We have the UN to deal with international stuff, NATO was for the Cold WAr and it is over. If you want Putin to be cautious and suspicious, then keep NATO. If you want relationships with Russia to normalise, dissolve it. It's not like the Warsaw Pact is still there, now is it?

Populism has never brought us anywhere, and Trump will not either. He sounds a bit like a mix between Roosevelt's New Deal ("we are gonna rebuild our infrastructure") and Monroe Doctrine ("Only a great deal for America and otherwise I will dissolve NAFTA"). Isolationism 21st century style. I wonder if he can even make it look like he is pulling it off.


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« Reply #6514 on: 09-11-2016, 21:11:59 »
I think people regard him as non-establishment, because he came from outside the typical political circle. And during the campaign, he refused to listen to his Republican masters, and invent his own platform to begin with. Until it fell out due to his sexism and casual racism scandals.

Unlike Hillary that has earned herself a reputation political player and their pay-to-play scheme (big corporate pay her and her husband for political favour). Trump earned his wealth from property business, inherited from his parent. However, Trump also sided with the Clintons before, as he was a Democrat supporter before sometime in mid 2000s. But, switching party aside, he is still a flamboyant boisterous business man that has been bankrupt twice. But I am still waiting for his "draining the swamp" promise, so the likes of big corporate, military complex industry defense contractors cannot buy influence to instigate war and therefore a battleground to prove their products. His populism is just his TV show antics, which piss off everyone. I was hoping that his offensive statements was for real, to punish us all, the sinners by silencing, but then he can be just trolling instead.

Now, I don't think he is seriously advocating isolationism. He has properties everywhere around the world, including Middle East. He has manufacturing stakes in China and Mexico. I was hoping his trade war is just a bluff, otherwise, the poor people of USA and the rest of the world can't have their new iPhone for just $800. His real estate book (Art of Dealing) is all about "making good deal" - which is him buying properties for a good price, and then renovate it, sell it at the most profitable price. Besides his flaunting personality, his approach to business-dealing is pretty unique. He gets what he wants, sometimes by making purchase schemes instead of the usual "bundling". If his counterpart isn't stupid enough, they could extract a fair deal from it, after all, it is business where you cooperate to make more profit.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6515 on: 09-11-2016, 21:11:35 »
But I am still waiting for his "draining the swamp" promise, so the likes of big corporate, military complex industry defense contractors cannot buy influence to instigate war and therefore a battleground to prove their products.
Me too, if he really does this, and the military-industrial complex gets dissolved, then that would actually be quite unique and then Trump would go down in history (as long as he doesn't do anything stupid to counter it).

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6516 on: 09-11-2016, 21:11:16 »
Well I wrote this on the internal skype channel over a week ago:

The US election presents the deadlock of western politics and the failure of the left in the 21st century. The choice how it is presented to us: Either liberal capitalist status quo or anti-immigrant populism with crude figurehead. There is no third option. The lower classes are fed up with it and run to the populists, while the left is on the defensive, especially because they gave up their economic policies in favour of cultural and social stuff (anti racism, lgbt). Which is fine of course, but does not address the issues or conform to the values of a vast percentage of the underclasses, which are now running to the right.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6517 on: 15-11-2016, 23:11:38 »
Does anyone has experience with the following, as i do not have a term for it.

Just now, i dozed off after work. And i recieved a flashback of june when i had my internal bleeding in my bowels that nearly costed my life (lost over half of my blood). I woke up, shaking and screaming, couldnt calm myself down for a few minutes.

Thing is, i was like "Meh" when i got thrown into an ambulance. And now it seems to be catching up to me to the fact that i was nearly a goner..

What is it? trauma? Bad memory? whining and bitching?
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6518 on: 15-11-2016, 23:11:47 »
Panic Attack maybe.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6519 on: 16-11-2016, 00:11:09 »

Thing is, i was like "Meh" when i got thrown into an ambulance. And now it seems to be catching up to me to the fact that i was nearly a goner..


Class 4 hypovolemic shock ought to do that to you. You have barely enough blood in your system to function let alone be worried about things.

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« Reply #6520 on: 16-11-2016, 00:11:04 »

Thing is, i was like "Meh" when i got thrown into an ambulance. And now it seems to be catching up to me to the fact that i was nearly a goner..


Class 4 hypovolemic shock ought to do that to you. You have barely enough blood in your system to function let alone be worried about things.
It was the weeks after, i still did not cared. Only recently, bout 2 weeks ago did it surfaced

If it gets worse, i still have a card to go talk aboot it in the hospital
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« Reply #6521 on: 16-11-2016, 07:11:09 »
My father is now hospitalised for that same reason, internal bleeding from his stomach, until it depleted his conciousness. Cause: ruptured varices. He didn't remember any of those events, as he nearly passed out. But at the hospital, he panicked.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6522 on: 19-11-2016, 04:11:06 »
Battlelog.co released BF2142 some weeks back. I took it for a spin. Had an absolute blast. Would recommend if you liked the game back in the day. I must also say that the guys at battlelog.co are sa7nts for creating such a good platform. Easy to use, can switch between bf2 and 2142 in a whim. Many servers and stable as well. Widescreen support integrated.  10/10

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« Reply #6523 on: 08-12-2016, 20:12:12 »
Is it possible that within these forums a new vessel has taken residence for our banned God? I guess time will tell.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6524 on: 08-12-2016, 20:12:29 »
As an European and living in a country bordering Russia, I am happy for the result.
I do not want another cold war. I don't want having the fear of getting a nuke on my head or sitting in a foxhole while getting pounded by katyusha rockets while awaiting Russian tanks.

For Europeans (russians included) and arabs this was the least painful choice. I am glad the war pig Clinton did not get elected. Her sabre rattling against Russia and no-fly-zone in Syria would have been a surefire way of kickstarting new cold war.

However, I do not like that Iran stuff and the global warming denying.
Don't worry. Infact I live in a country that is in conflict with Russia, But since I am in Europe, I enjoy the low ping on the 762 servers! :)
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