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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5925 on: 27-01-2015, 16:01:17 »
Why doesn't it surprise me that Theta still buys into that debunked bullshit of the "clean Wehrmacht". You'd think by the end of the 90s that old hat was buried, but I guess some people need that kind of fantasy to justify their own pseude-fascist sensibilities.


>Clean of warcrimes army
>War

Choose one.

But i guess in comparison to the SS, the Wehrmacht must have been pretty clean right?

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5926 on: 27-01-2015, 17:01:41 »
Well, its very difficult to asses certain crimes. For example, the handing over of russian POWs and civilians to the SS, is considerd a major warcrime.
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5927 on: 27-01-2015, 19:01:13 »
But i guess in comparison to the SS, the Wehrmacht must have been pretty clean right?

Of course, as clean as the red army, the us forces, the brits.... as clean as they all were.  ;D

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5928 on: 27-01-2015, 19:01:39 »
But i guess in comparison to the SS, the Wehrmacht must have been pretty clean right?

Of course, as clean as the red army, the us forces, the brits.... as clean as they all were.  ;D


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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5929 on: 27-01-2015, 20:01:21 »
Obviously allied forces also committed war crimes, that is part of war and why one should avoid it. To somehow put these on the same level as those of the Wehrmacht is not only stupid, but dangerous. The Wehrmacht fought a war in the east that had the stated purpose of annihilating or enslaving whole races of people and it soldiers willingly partook in these crimes, as has been demonstrated by historians beyond any doubt. Idiots like Theta cling to this fantasy of the "innocent" German soldier, who just fought for his country, or (even better) his family, while his superiors did all the evil deeds. This is a dangerous ideology, because it absolves soldiers (and by extension basically all "normal" citizens) from any political responsibility for their actions.
When you rightly call them fascists for this they will do this old spiel of "Oh, but I'm not Nazi, do I look like a Nazi?", like it even matters. What allowed the evil of the Nazi Regime were not the people marching in silly uniforms, but the millions of people who just went along for the ride. People like Theta who think to themselves "But I'm not evil, all I want is my peace and private happiness, and a clean and safe society, where I can feel as part of a community. What is the harm in that?"
Well there is no harm in that in itself, but when you define this community along racial, religious or national lines you are already within fascism and this idealization of German soldiers in WW2 is part of that fantasy.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5930 on: 27-01-2015, 20:01:28 »
What if i told you that calling someone a fascist for being ignorant is fascist? What is the deal with people these days? You will be called a fascist for anything. Your attitude and opinions Ts4EVER are just as poisonous as Thetas might be, breeding hate and division between people.




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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5931 on: 27-01-2015, 20:01:53 »
I am not interested in maintaining harmony with people who are ignorant and repeatedly spouting off fascist bs.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5932 on: 27-01-2015, 22:01:05 »
I thought that Wehrmacht already was holier than thou and it was all about proving every member of Waffen-SS was Mr. Dindo Nuffin and it was only Allgemeine-SS that did those nasty things?

(Then again, depending on their attitude, some people often also claim that there was no systematic mass rape by the Red Army starting already in Soviet territory, or that the Serbs were just following orders righteously defending themselves protecting Europe from jihad playing accordion, or that Nanking Massacre is Communist propaganda, etc.)

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5933 on: 27-01-2015, 23:01:35 »
Idiots like Theta cling to this fantasy of the "innocent" German soldier,
Plenty of innocent soldiers in WW2. also no need to go personal here.
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5934 on: 28-01-2015, 00:01:43 »
All of this is easily summed up in three words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSq5aCZO5n8

War never changes...

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5935 on: 28-01-2015, 06:01:14 »
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Re: Revolting Uniting
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5937 on: 28-01-2015, 13:01:14 »
The loser usually committed most warcrimes as they are used for the warpropaganda during and after the war. Good or evil isnt a competition for the most/least warcrimes. Good are those who fight for you, evil who fight against you.
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5938 on: 28-01-2015, 15:01:30 »
It also depends on how good your standard of good vs. evil is. For example, the good guy here claiming all Jews, Romani, LGBTs, Slavs, Black, and other unwanted people are inferior and therefore need to be exterminated.

I can hardly say that those people are the good guys, no matter how many times you try to use that half-baked "war is evil" argument or that half-assed "victors write the history" trope. You can't deny a crime when you are caught in the act. You may claim insanity, but I don't believe that "single perpetrator" theory either. One guy might be insane, and the rest are exploiting the poor guy's insanity to commit something worse. You are sure as shit that something big is going to happen because of that.

Is Hitler bad? Yes, maybe, but I also think that he is no badder than some random German or Austrian like Himmler, Heydrich, Goebbels, Freisler, Hess, or Norwegian like Quisling, etc. I don't believe the bullshit that makes Stalin a single evil dictator guy. There must be legions of ass-kissers that puts him on the top, the likes of Beria and his goons. Is everybody else innocent but Hitler, Tojo, and Stalin?

What makes the Allied bad besides their non-combatants body count tally, is also inventing nonsense like "Hirohito is innocent, because his officials are bickering out of his control" or "Hitler is mega-evil with powerful warlock-like ability to control the whole good nation of German into his bidding". And then makes the whole world buy it at face value. But then again, would you like more murdering of blind-fanatic Japaneses or Nazi-to-the-core Germans to settle the score?
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5939 on: 28-01-2015, 20:01:34 »
What be going on here?

Ain't shit that can be done about war, good, evil, all those things. It's embedded deep within humanity, going back thousands of years.

Quote from: New International Christian Bible Hosea 13:16
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.

Nothing can stop people from killing each other. Just 20 years ago up to a million people died during the genocide in Rwanda, if that's no indication that hate is still prevalent in society then I don't know what is.

It just happens, then it's over. I reckon that a thousand years from now only scholars would care or even know that during the 1940s people were packed into ovens and incinerated alive in the death mills. Sorry if that's an insensitive thing to say but in the grand scheme of things it seems rather insignificant.



That there is a pile of dead ants in a room. Quite insignificant I'd say, if you took a vacuum to them that mess would be cleaned up real easy, then you'd just have to empty a bag into a bin or something. I'd write an analogy but there are so many obvious ones to choose from, and I've spent far too long on this now.

Ain't shit that can be done...