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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #30 on: 18-05-2011, 00:05:09 »
Actually, i was shocked when i was driving Cromwell and killed Tiger I with two shots at side. I think it should not be possible.
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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #31 on: 18-05-2011, 00:05:32 »
60mm armour, yah it should.

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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #32 on: 18-05-2011, 00:05:37 »
I read on the internetz that Witmann's Tiger got two hits to side armor by Cromwell comanded by captain Dyas. Tiger with no damage destroyed that Cromwell and moved on.
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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #33 on: 18-05-2011, 00:05:26 »
Only on sides behind the wheels ... part above is a 80 mm thick
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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #34 on: 18-05-2011, 01:05:18 »
I read on the internetz that Witmann's Tiger got two hits to side armor by Cromwell comanded by captain Dyas. Tiger with no damage destroyed that Cromwell and moved on.

Depends on angle.  If it was on the sides behind wheels, and was flat on, it would have penetrated.  Unfortunately, FH2 can't represent the difference in firing at a flat angle, and firing at a 70 degree angle, at the same spot in the armour.

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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #35 on: 18-05-2011, 05:05:37 »
Well I suppose the tiger's wheel is not made by butter, so it's only the small gap between upper side armor and wheel have the 63mm weak spot. Yet now half of the side armor is coded 63mm...

But back in 2.2 cromwell still needs 3 side shot to kill a tiger and 6 pdr doesn't one shot KT, somehow the Dak tiger/tiger/KT's "HP" value got lower down in later version, made some really ridiculous kill possible, like the 2 mentioned above, or cromwell one shot tiger/crusader one shot Dak tiger by hitting the top armor.

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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #36 on: 18-05-2011, 10:05:57 »
BTW .... how in the hell Cromwell 75 mm Mk V L/36.5  is more powerful in game to compare to Sherman 75 mm M3 L/38.5 , when they used this same ammunition ???

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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #37 on: 18-05-2011, 13:05:20 »
BTW .... how in the hell Cromwell 75 mm Mk V L/36.5  is more powerful in game to compare to Sherman 75 mm M3 L/38.5 , when they used this same ammunition ???
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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #38 on: 18-05-2011, 13:05:10 »
The flatter trajectory of the Cromwell was actually correct in 2.2 and 2.25. APCBC had slightly(barely) better penetration, but had a flatter trajectory

For me, if the PZIV and stug can be made frontally penetratable, i would see no problem in removing this on tiger and the weakspots of the kingtiger
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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #39 on: 18-05-2011, 13:05:36 »
Flatter ? Where ? I need aim higher from Cromwell than in Sherman ...

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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #40 on: 18-05-2011, 13:05:48 »
Flatter ? Where ? I need aim higher from Cromwell than in Sherman ...
IIRC the APCBC ammo had higher muzzle velocity. Therefor less bullet drop
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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #41 on: 18-05-2011, 14:05:28 »
FH2 can't represent the difference in firing at a flat angle, and firing at a 70 degree angle.

Thanks for clarifying. I shot it in wheels area, but from serious angle. That made me curious.
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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #42 on: 21-05-2011, 04:05:32 »
BTW .... how in the hell Cromwell 75 mm Mk V L/36.5  is more powerful in game to compare to Sherman 75 mm M3 L/38.5 , when they used this same ammunition ???
Because when I point this out to Kev4000, he ignores me.

Because if we lower the Cromwell penetration, better up the Sherman penetration. Its value is taken from a 70mm@30 degrees, which tanks armour is already compensated for. Say hello to re-balancing vehicle loadout on all Normandy maps!

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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #43 on: 21-05-2011, 04:05:44 »
Well, I'm sorry if I was living under the impression that all the projectiles dealt with 500m @ 30 degrees penetration while tank armour was vertical equivalent (mostly).  Doesn't change the fact that the cromwell is using 75mmL40 ABCBC while it should have 75mmL37.5 APCBC.

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Re: Upcoming M4A3 sherman=Armor
« Reply #44 on: 21-05-2011, 07:05:12 »
But I saw in PoE mod, that BF2 has this ability to simulate hits from below or over 45 degree firing angle. Or this thing is just too bugged to be implemented FH2?