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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #240 on: 18-10-2010, 16:10:08 »
Kelmola hits the nail on the head.  The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;)  History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.

I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.

Its not because Brits had bigger role than US in both fronts. To me British are the main western allied.
And I think you're very wrong there. No doubt the Brits played a very large role in Normandy, but they definitely where NOT the dominant player, just looking at sheer numbers of troops, material, etc that were needed for the operation and its resulting battles.

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #241 on: 18-10-2010, 17:10:38 »
As you say yourself, you're only looking at the sizes of things.
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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #242 on: 18-10-2010, 17:10:29 »
Kelmola hits the nail on the head.  The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;)  History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.

I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.


Its not because Brits had bigger role than US in both fronts. To me British are the main western allied.

Um, the British had a smaller role than the US in normandy and Italy....=/

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #243 on: 19-10-2010, 13:10:11 »
By British I mean Commonwealth of course...

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #244 on: 19-10-2010, 16:10:39 »
Annnnddd the commonwealth and poles combined had a smaller presence in Normandy than the US =/

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #245 on: 19-10-2010, 16:10:30 »
You have a good source for US vs Commonwealth forces in Normandy? I could only find a comparison of casulaties (which indeed are significantly higher for the US). Also, how many German divisions were deployed against Commonwealth forces and how many against US forces?

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #246 on: 19-10-2010, 16:10:05 »
it doesnt matter

British fought the far grander majority in NA
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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #247 on: 19-10-2010, 16:10:36 »
it doesnt matter

British fought the far grander majority in NA
I'm not the least bit interested in your arguement, I just want to know for the sake of knowing. :p

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #248 on: 19-10-2010, 16:10:15 »
Maybe smaller presence, but how I've always understood it, it was the non-US western allies who did most of the work in Normandy.

How germans focused most of their troops and armour to defend Caen and its surrounding areas. What I gathered the americans didnt really fight any large scale battles with a good number of casualties on both sides, not at least as much as the british and their lackies went through. Needless to say maybe it was the recklesness that caused rather high casualties overall for the americans. Not to belittle american effort of course, they did reach their objectives over the cotentin peninsula in a "so-so" schedule while the brits were held up around Caen for a long period of time. But how I also see it is that even thought the burden was on the brits, canadians, french and poles, the americans are the ones who got the wheels rolling as they reached Cherbourg and later with Cobra offensive managed to break out of normandy and in the end cause what would become of Falaise Pocket.

Both had their jobs to do, but in my little world I think it was the brits who did all the heavy work while the americans pushed on the offensive where the enemy was weaker. After Normandy they pretty much moved aside and let the yanks roll forward.
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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #249 on: 19-10-2010, 17:10:20 »
The reason the Brits faced more panzer divisions was because the Germans still did not believe that the Americans were a capable force.  They still thought that the Americans were just as bad tactically as they had been in Tunisia and parts of Italy, and so focused their attention on the 'professionals', ie, the Brits, holding the Americans with mostly infantry units backed up by a single Panzer Division, the 17th SS Panzergrenaidier, and the Fallschirmjager.  But sides served a major function, the British essentially held the Panzer divisions in one area, while the Americans ground through the flank and with Op Cobra, smashed it open.  By presence, however, I refer to the fact that the American contingent was far larger than the Commonwealth contingent, and after Normandy, essentially made the Commonwealth forces a sideshow to the real battle.

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #250 on: 19-10-2010, 17:10:55 »
By British I mean Commonwealth of course...

For the love of God, say british and commonwealth next time.

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #251 on: 19-10-2010, 21:10:58 »
The 17th SS Panzergrenaidier, didn't focus on the canadias only because they was the nearest to their base? Or in their competence zone?


I remeber also that after marketgarden there was some problems betwin Montgomery and the UK goverment, so he recive the order to do not attack, or something like that..

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #252 on: 20-10-2010, 21:10:58 »
Um, what?

The 17th SS was deployed against the americans around Carentan and St Lo.....=/

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #253 on: 20-10-2010, 21:10:06 »
Um, what?

The 17th SS was deployed against the americans around Carentan and St Lo.....=/

sorry i was wrong the canadians faced the 12th SS Hitlerjugend Panzer that was the only Panzer Division that fought during the firsth day!

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #254 on: 21-10-2010, 04:10:12 »
Um, no.  21st Panzer Division.  12th SS didn't make it into combat until the 7th.