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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #225 on: 18-10-2010, 01:10:35 »
The process goes like this:
1) History Channel decides that Tigers were used at Kasserine
2) They say "Go find Tiger veteran NAOW"
3) They interview said veteran, who will remember fighting Shermans and Grants somewhere in Africa
4) They intercut the soundbites to a narrative about Kasserine, nevermind where the veteran said he had fought
5) ?? ??
6) FAIL!

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #226 on: 18-10-2010, 01:10:45 »
At the Kasserine pass? Really? The soldiers didnt know the sector they were in or the armies they fought?

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #227 on: 18-10-2010, 01:10:46 »
At the Kasserine pass? Really? The soldiers didnt know the sector they were in or the armies they fought?

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #228 on: 18-10-2010, 01:10:30 »
[sarcasm]But, but, in FH1, kasserine map have the tiger on it. Do you mean FH team made error too.  :'( [/sarcasm]
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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #229 on: 18-10-2010, 01:10:29 »
Actually my last post was in response to TS

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #230 on: 18-10-2010, 03:10:20 »
Kelmola hits the nail on the head.  The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;)  History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #231 on: 18-10-2010, 04:10:25 »
Kelmola hits the nail on the head.  The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;)  History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.

I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #232 on: 18-10-2010, 04:10:56 »
Kelmola hits the nail on the head.  The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;)  History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.

I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.

Yup, but it can take a lot of work. The NA theater need more stuff, like early map (with brit vs italian in 1940) and late map with US vs French, italian and german. But I think the dev don't want to do it. :(

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #233 on: 18-10-2010, 09:10:26 »
Kelmola hits the nail on the head.  The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;)  History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.

I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.

Its not because Brits had bigger role than US in both fronts. To me British are the main western allied.

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #234 on: 18-10-2010, 10:10:06 »
Is it possible to convert maps from FH1 to FH2? At least geometry?

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #235 on: 18-10-2010, 10:10:52 »
Kelmola hits the nail on the head.  The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;)  History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.

I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.

Its not because Brits had bigger role than US in both fronts. To me British are the main western allied.

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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #236 on: 18-10-2010, 11:10:13 »
Nothing against the Veterans, but you never know; they may like to blow their story up a bit to make it more impressive if they knew that say Tiger tanks were the feared thing.


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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #237 on: 18-10-2010, 11:10:01 »
Yes, Panzer III M served in africa :P



Who cares about tiger?Add PZIII ausf L+M and kasserine will be awesome!
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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #238 on: 18-10-2010, 12:10:27 »
Nothing against the Veterans, but you never know; they may like to blow their story up a bit to make it more impressive if they knew that say Tiger tanks were the feared thing.

Yeah, but that's the thing: Djinn was referring to a german fighting in a Tiger, not a US GI fighting against a Tiger.
Personally I would be more impressed by a german telling about fighting M3's in, say, a Panzer III than if he was talking about shooting fish in a barrel from his indestructible Tiger. Although History Channel can be a bit dodgy when it comes to the details (or the subjectiveness of their shows, but that's another discussion), I'm all for believing a veteran telling this stuff on camera.
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Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 12 of October
« Reply #239 on: 18-10-2010, 16:10:24 »
Intentional or not, veterans do quite often recollect things wrongly or inaccurately comparable to what evidence suggests.

Remember, you're asking someone who's been through an awful lot to recall very minor details that happened a long time ago. Memories tend to deteriorate over time.

Having spoken to several veterans before this almost always seems to be the case. It's not clear as day. Sometimes the details are lost because they just didn't know what they were fighting, or where. In most situations they will assume the worst... If you ask them if they were fighting something that has a drummed-up reputation like the Tiger, they will more often than not say yes. The History Channel should take some responsibility for this, but if they ask a veteran questions they are often obliged to tell the story of their experiences.

Am I calling veterans liars? Certainly not. But details do get lost in translation.