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Canada buys F-35s
« on: 17-07-2010, 23:07:04 »
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/07/16/canada-jets.html

Canada recently bought some new F-35s, and im curious on peoples opinion of the aircraft.
Waste of money? Or valuable purchase?

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #1 on: 17-07-2010, 23:07:03 »
I think Canada could use something more 'multirole' than an F-35, seeing as though an F-35 can only carry 2 A2A missiles (at least internally)... I would have gone with Eurofighter, but eh good choice nonetheless. Congrats to the Canadians.
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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #2 on: 17-07-2010, 23:07:06 »
Since the canucks often built these plane's localy (CF86, CF-104, CF-18) this will be a great boost for their economy
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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #3 on: 17-07-2010, 23:07:49 »
This is actually super sick.
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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #4 on: 18-07-2010, 01:07:33 »
After seeing the whole mess in the Netherlands around the 'JSF' I can surely say this feels like having a huge pile of money, putting some petrol on it, lighting it up and then applaud to your great deeds.

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #5 on: 18-07-2010, 02:07:05 »
Yeah i have to agree with Tolga...Either a Eurofighter or maybe a Mirage 2000-5 since both are great airplanes...

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #6 on: 18-07-2010, 02:07:12 »
Seeing as Canada has invested something like $150m into the JSF program, it's highly unlikely that they'd replace their CF-188's with Typhoons, Gripens or Rafales.

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I think Canada could use something more 'multirole' than an F-35, seeing as though an F-35 can only carry 2 A2A missiles (at least internally)... I would have gone with Eurofighter, but eh good choice nonetheless. Congrats to the Canadians.

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #7 on: 18-07-2010, 03:07:38 »
IMO you cant compare the european fighters to american ones. The f35 is much more advanced then the euro offerings. I would rather keep the CF-18s then buy typhoon or gripen.

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #8 on: 18-07-2010, 04:07:09 »
its gonna be very very expensive, i hope Belgium will buy Eurofighter or Rafale next, i feel sorry for you Canadians.
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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #9 on: 18-07-2010, 04:07:47 »
Some of the cost will be recouped through the business opportunities our industry will recieve. Also when i comes to things like fighters i don't think you can cheap out and buy the less expensive but less capable choice. Put a eurofighter up against a F-35 and your going to take some heavy losses.

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #10 on: 18-07-2010, 04:07:35 »
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The F-35 is supposed to have 3/4 stealth, versus only front quadrant for the EFA. Also, only the RAF Eurofighters will have Lockheed Martin stealth technology, so the rest will be significantly inferior to the F-35 in that regard. Finally, the F-35 has internal weapons, vs external for the Eurofighter, but, Detection ranges for both will be significantly reduced, compared to today's engagements. That may only mean the F-35 detects a Eurofighter ten or twenty of kilometres before the latter detects the F-35. That is not very far, when jet speeds are considered. Also, don't forget the Eurofighter has a modern IR tracker on board. It may be able focus the unit down the path of an F-35's active radar signal, using ESM, to detect the F-35 for a shot much earlier than the latter expects. Finally, the Tranche 2 and 3 Eurofighters will have vectored-thrust, making them very manouverable. That means if well flown they might be able to break a radar lock, or dodge AMRAAMS, and close rapidly for an IR tracker guided shot or a WVR engagement. Up close, things would equal out a lot, perhaps with the odds going slightly in the Eurofighter's favour, due to better manouverability. In short, the F-35 has some advantages, but its pilots would be well advised not to underestimate the EFA.

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- Is superior in load missiles and munitions performance fighter aircraft, business high altitude, extreme maneuverability, high thrust to weight ratio, sustained supersonic and hypersonic flight businesses without afterburning (supercruise)
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-Its only inferior to stealth capabilities

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Greece was/is planning on buying either the F35 or the EFT . I would say they take the Eurofighter.

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #11 on: 18-07-2010, 04:07:28 »
how would you know?

I read about planes on a daily basis since its a hobby of mine since i was a kid, and i havent read much good about the F35, delays , got very expensive... and shortcutting alot of the capabilities for the sake of "stealth".
So im not sure what you mean by "less capable", the euro canards do very well in competitions even against the F22.

About the participation in the program, as you read above, several nations that signed up early not only got shocked by the total cost of the program, but also the lack of technology transfer and lack of local contracts for their industry, not to mention you wont be allowed to assemble them , with 65 planes you would be allowed to assemble the Eurofighter.

In the end, just like was the case with Australia, it is a political decission, not one of cost and capabilities.

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The contract with US company Lockheed Martin was signed without a competitive bidding process

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10667633

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #12 on: 18-07-2010, 05:07:51 »
There's some serious business competition going on in the fighter world these days, between the MiG-35, JSF, EF2000, F-16 Block 52+, Silent Eagle, Rafale, Super Hornet, Gripen and Su-30MKI.

It's all about, do you want to wait for an expensive 5th generation fighter that will hopefully allow you to dominate the skies, or get a 4.5 generation fighter now that's a lot cheaper than a 5th gen and with only slightly reduced capability?

Part of it I think is based on how urgently a nation thinks its fighters need to be replaced. And the rest is who has the best political/business ties.

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #13 on: 18-07-2010, 05:07:04 »
Is it really that unpracticle that this plane thingy doesn't have many anti-aircraft missiles?  I may be wrong but I don't see many future situations where the Canucks will have much to shoot down.  (Or anybody else for that matter.)

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Re: Canada buys F-35s
« Reply #14 on: 18-07-2010, 07:07:08 »
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