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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1245 on: 01-10-2011, 12:10:26 »
Interesting read about the differences between Steam and Origin EULAs.
I´d take this article more serious than some biased guys opinion who tries to sugercoat this issue with improper analogies.

No, im sorry but the writer of this artivle is speculating.

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You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services..

Thats something different than what the autor wrote:

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What you’re agreeing to is for EA to have a free pass to scan your PC and gather absolutely anything it wants.

They specifically state "related" information. If they cross this invicible line it would be dealed with within privacy law.
Whatever this related information is though, is the shady part. We as customers are not aware of what sort of information they are after and gather.

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they say they intend to take such information, combine it with personal information about you, and use it to advertise directly to you. However, when selling on this free-for-all on your computer’s contents, they’ll at least remove personally identifying information.

He/she makes it sound like theyre checking when and with you your having sex with. Whilst the agreement is aiming at online game behaviour, system specifications and what not.
I bet steam is doing this aswel.


I'm not saying i agree with these terms and what its going to be in the future, but its not yet as bad as people make it sound.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1246 on: 01-10-2011, 12:10:21 »
They specifically state "related" information. If they cross this invicible line it would be dealed with within privacy law.
Whatever this related information is though, is the shady part. We as customers are not aware of what sort of information they are after and gather.
Related to what? See, the point is, these EULAs are so wide-ranging that it is hard to draw the line. What keeps them from scanning things that are not game related? They didn´t say that they´ll only collect "BF3 related information", but instead their EULAs say that they can have access to your whole hardware and software.
The "invisible line" you´re talking about isn´t really a "line" anymore, but merely gets blurred and grey, since there´s no restriction.
Steam on the other hand collects data, too, that´s correct. But they clearly state in their EULAs that they need a users permission to handle personal information and if a user declines the data won´t be used (for example the surveys, Steam does from time to time). Additionally Steam limits itself to Steam related data (as the article says, and as the Steam EULAs say), whereas Origins EULAs are general. That´s the main difference.

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He/she makes it sound like theyre checking when and with you your having sex with. Whilst the agreement is aiming at online game behaviour, system specifications and what not.
Of course they´re not spying into their costumers bed rooms and I know that services, such as Amazon and Google already send you personalized advertisements, but they do that because of your shpopping/browsing behaviour (passive use of user submitted data) and not because they scan your harddrive, find out that you like certain things because of what you´ve got stored on your HD and use this actively collected data to send you advertisements. I hope you understand the difference and how Origin´s shady EULAs can actually intrude into your privacy.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1247 on: 01-10-2011, 12:10:37 »
I await BF3, not because I expect it to live up BF42 and Bf2, its a diffeent time. A very different time. We could mod games then, the engines were simpler. We can't now for the most part. Its like carts versus cars. Once upon a time, you could build your own carriage/ cart... Now you must buy a car. No DIYs

Except that there are people who can build cars on their own... And pretty good ones, too... So your analogy is invalid. And making games has nothing to do with cars IMO... Cars are physical things... Games are intellectual properties... You don't need raw materials to make them... just programs... Besides nobody talks about making them, just modding existing ones... Like Natty once said... FH 2 is just a "skin" for BF 2... When you play it you play 90 % BF 2 and 10 % FH 2. So I don't think that making a "skin" for newer games would be that harder... Just more time consuming.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1248 on: 01-10-2011, 13:10:25 »
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I hope you understand the difference and how Origin´s shady EULAs can actually intrude into your privacy.

You read what you want to read. I havnt read anything wich gives them the legal right to look in to your entire hard disc.
Isnt there anyone who has traced down everything Origin actually checks? To swap from speculations to hard facts.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1249 on: 01-10-2011, 13:10:44 »
You read what you want to read. I havnt read anything wich gives them the legal right to look in to your entire hard disc.
Isnt there anyone who has traced down everything Origin actually checks? To swap from speculations to hard facts.

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...operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware,...

Now go ahead and tell me where they´d have to stop? Application usage, software and software usage can mean basically anything and the reason why I lift more than one eyebrow is that these EULAs are so general. There´s no clear distinction what exactly thy´re going to collect and what exactly they´re going to do with that data and that´s odd, because EULAs (and other contracts) are usually very clear.

It´s not necessarily about private photos or an extensive porn collection users should be worried about, I just think it´s strange that Origin messes with programs it shouldn´t have anthing to do with. Why would they want to know which programs I run on my computer anyway? What will happen if I´d have software on my HD that you could use to rip CDs, read ISO files or download Torrents? Will they delete my account because these programs *could* be used for piracy? Will they simply ignore it?

See, there´s no "clear line" in these EULAs and AFAIk there wasn´t any statement from EA (except that they changed the EULAs again, so users have to agree that they won´t take part in class-action lawsuits against EA) and I´d really, really love to see the clear and straight facts, together with a statement from EA what they´re going to do an where they´ll stop.
But neither has happened to my knowledge so I´m not "reading what I want to read" (I´m not that stubborn) but rather wait untill we´ve got clear results and hard facts that can disprove my doubts.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1250 on: 01-10-2011, 14:10:49 »
homer, you're not Michael Jackson, no one cares about your computer


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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1251 on: 01-10-2011, 14:10:44 »
Then why EA wants to scan everything in it ?  :(

I was a fan of Battlefield but this plus no mod tools means I simply won't buy it. And don't tell me they need this shit, they did perfectly well so far without it. Good for them they dont care about taking the Modern Warfare fanbase and loosing their own, I guess they don't have pride or something ...


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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1252 on: 01-10-2011, 14:10:50 »
ever heard of Steam?  ;)

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1253 on: 01-10-2011, 14:10:09 »
Yes i have.

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* Steam doesn’t link the software/hardware survey results to the Steam account.

* Steam doesn’t check the software/hardware survey results at each boot or at anytime (exception : if you’re randomly picked again). It is a complete hoax.

* Steam doesn’t sell the software/hardware survey results to third parties.

* Steam software/hardware survey results are displayed publicly, available to anyone at this page : http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

... and btw I dont like steam either.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1254 on: 01-10-2011, 14:10:48 »
then dont worry about Origin, lol  ;)

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1255 on: 01-10-2011, 14:10:01 »
homer, you're not Michael Jackson, no one cares about your computer

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I´d like to see the hard facts and hear that from EA themselves (best would be changed EULAs) and not from some DICE-guy who´s going all Baghdad-Bob in order to "defend" his companies product.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1256 on: 01-10-2011, 14:10:05 »
Just played Metro 1 hour straight and im really into it right now. Not that i enjoy playing the same map over and over so 1 hour is the max.

Now.. where would be the cheapeast place to buy this game ;D.. anyone?
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1257 on: 01-10-2011, 14:10:00 »
They did change some of it after a lot of people got upset. I think it was the part about selling the information to 3rd parties.

Can't be arsed to check it right now.

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1258 on: 01-10-2011, 15:10:30 »
dice guy?.. "defend product"?... lol, you need to get out from your bubble dude... that tin foil hat must be squeezing really tight  ;D

Newsflash: Im no dice-guy, and what relevance does it have what I do for a living? what do you work with? making foil-hats and sell on www.conspiracies.com?.. Im also not "defending" any product, why would I do that? to brain-wash you?

just.. LOL  ;D

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1259 on: 01-10-2011, 15:10:21 »
They did change some of it after a lot of people got upset. I think it was the part about selling the information to 3rd parties.

Can't be arsed to check it right now.
Yeah, just checked it, they changed the point where they could sell users data for marketing reasons, the rest about checking users hardware, software etc. wasn´t changed, though.
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Natty-Bob, being concerned about EULAs that can be abused to such an extent doesn´t have anything to do with being "paranoid". You wouldn´t sign a contract which you have doubts about, right?
You´re profile says you´re 34, but you have the argumentation style and writing skill of a 12 year old, you might want to work on that. ;)
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And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
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