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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1020 on: 02-09-2011, 15:09:35 »
The more I see the things shoved down the throats of players excited to play BF3, like said EULA, having to use Origin, having to use battlelog and etc., the more I am revolted and pushed away from purchasing BF3.

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1021 on: 02-09-2011, 15:09:31 »
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1022 on: 02-09-2011, 15:09:54 »
If the EULA doesn't get changed it is no BF3 for me.

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« Reply #1023 on: 02-09-2011, 15:09:16 »
Here is a great article from RockPaperShotgun.com which highlights the differences between the Steam EULA and what EA has planned:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1024 on: 02-09-2011, 16:09:25 »
Here is a great article from RockPaperShotgun.com which highlights the differences between the Steam EULA and what EA has planned:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1025 on: 02-09-2011, 20:09:20 »
O come on, you guys will buy it anyway. You dont give a crap about the privacy and just go with the flow. Atleast mister Natty seems to know whats going on, and Kelmola takes an impressive stance.
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« Reply #1026 on: 02-09-2011, 20:09:30 »
I think the usage of said rights is far different than what people make it out to be. Just as when Google collects information on what websites you visit, and what products you search when you visit those websites. Google AdSense will then display advertisements based around that collected information. For instance I bought a power supply, and later that same day it was advertised by AdSense to me on every webpage I visited.

I don't think Origin will be much different. Origin sounds like Steam in all way shape and form. Just as games like Empire Total War are entirely reliant on Steam to run, so too won't future titles from EA, but that does not mean that Origin will be strictly limited to just EA products, I'm sure, like Steam, Origin will sell games from a wide range of publishers.

The idea is that they collect information about the software on your computer, the websites you visit, and then sift through them to find out which services and products involving gaming appeal to you most. So say I had then entire Battlefield franchise (except for 3) installed on my PC. Well then when I open Origin, I might expect it to display Battlefield 3 advertisements to get my attention to buy that game, because it thinks I have interest in that series.

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1027 on: 02-09-2011, 20:09:39 »
I know i won't. I do care about privacy.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1028 on: 03-09-2011, 10:09:10 »
O come on, you guys will buy it anyway...
Already have, doesn't mean I have to install it though... ;)



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I wonder what we get in exchange for giving them that right? Oh I know, it must be the privilege of using a product we've already paid for... ::)

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1029 on: 03-09-2011, 10:09:45 »
I think the usage of said rights is far different than what people make it out to be. Just as when Google collects information on what websites you visit, and what products you search when you visit those websites. Google AdSense will then display advertisements based around that collected information. For instance I bought a power supply, and later that same day it was advertised by AdSense to me on every webpage I visited.

Well yes, but here you can choose to use programs that prevent this (NoScript, AdBlocker et. all just to name a few) and you can delete your cookies... with origin you can only choose to play BF3 or not.
For me that equates to blackmail.

I don't think Origin will be much different. Origin sounds like Steam in all way shape and form. Just as games like Empire Total War are entirely reliant on Steam to run, so too won't future titles from EA, but that does not mean that Origin will be strictly limited to just EA products, I'm sure, like Steam, Origin will sell games from a wide range of publishers.

Steam at least lets you choose when you take part in a 'survey' and only monitors the programs you have in Steam and no where else. That is a huge difference to origins live monitoring as it is laid out in the EULA.

The idea is that they collect information about the software on your computer, the websites you visit, and then sift through them to find out which services and products involving gaming appeal to you most. So say I had then entire Battlefield franchise (except for 3) installed on my PC. Well then when I open Origin, I might expect it to display Battlefield 3 advertisements to get my attention to buy that game, because it thinks I have interest in that series.

Well again, they will/cannot only advertise you stuff that concerns them, but could also do that for other products. Like free porn and heart ache pills, depending on how your emails read out for them. ;)
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1030 on: 03-09-2011, 14:09:21 »
I still think you are over reacting, many companies gather information about their customers. Supermarkets do surveys, phone service desks record your calls, companies higher analysts to ponder over thousands of documents of collected data to have trends pointed out, this evil EULA is no different, and most likely you have already agreed to similar rights in previous EA titles you've purchased.

Its data collection for profit gain. EA wants to know what games I have installed on my computer? Fine, whatever, as long as I get to play Battlefield 3.

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1031 on: 03-09-2011, 15:09:53 »
Another thing, that most people don't realize that much IMO and the more important problem: things, that are written in an EULA and what is done in reality are two different things. I am not a friend of stystems like Steam or Origin, because I have no real view about, what kind of information are messaged and how much. Ofcourse Steam can pretend to be nice and ask for permission. But do we really know, what they are doing? Who controlls it, whether they accept the privacy and play by the rules? History tells something different concerning this topic and I think, this will never change. Sadly I need Steam to play RO/DH, an experience I don't want to miss, but when I don't play it I switch off Steam. People who want to play BF3 will take this anyway, but for me it always will be a negative point. I won't buy BF3, because it offers me nothing special or new (besides shiny graphics and fantastic sounds). But my decision is not dependent, whether they use Origin or not. When I play the game, I stiwch it on, when not - I switch it off. Nevertheless it is still negative and I am a littlebit worried concerning the privacy. I simlpy don't want anybody to scan my PC, because it is a part of my privacy. So to say: "I don't care about it" - is a littlebit strange. :-\

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1032 on: 03-09-2011, 15:09:37 »
I am not a friend of stystems like Steam or Origin, because I have no real view about, what kind of information are messaged and how much. Ofcourse Steam can pretend to be nice and ask for permission. But do we really know, what they are doing? Who controlls it, whether they accept the privacy and play by the rules?
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1033 on: 03-09-2011, 16:09:46 »
It's the 'well, what do you have to hide'? principle. But that's the world upside down, so that doesn't fly.

It's nasty but for such a big title, we'll probably get it anyway. Don't like this 'shove it down your throat' blackmail policy, more minus points for DICE/EA. Suits and $$$ at work, bet the dev's don't like it either. It's handy to know hardware and rigs, but why this total Borg attitude. That's just wrong.

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1034 on: 03-09-2011, 17:09:05 »
If this shit doesn't change, I won't buy it.