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Offline Natty

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1335 on: 02-10-2011, 09:10:55 »
I never said community made stuff is always bad. I said it's not official. It was a respons to that waw dude's comment "Apparently only BF/DICE-sanctioned-content is "real" content, while the rest is a blasphemy." where I explained that ofcourse only EA content is "real", everyone understands that :)

This is a BF3 thread, not FH2 thread, but in short I can just let you know this: you haven't a single little clue what you're talking about :) We are trying hard to get more custom/community content in to FH2, f**k, we even spend time looking at things, giving suggestions to how it can be better etc... we WANT more community stuff in to our mod, but the fact remains: very few can produce what we want.

So before you go on some rampage about why FH2 doesnt have more community-made stuff, check the facts, every one on the dev team reads your post and just facepalms, since you made it apparent that you have no clue about this  ;)

"insulting to the very people who gave you your job in the first place" just get out of here with that bullshit, I reported you to the admins now, more of this and it's bye bye. I got my job from hard work and study, not from "you", LOL!  :P

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1336 on: 02-10-2011, 10:10:51 »
This thread is golden

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1337 on: 02-10-2011, 10:10:45 »
Yup, no HUD on the hacked servers, and you might get banned of the BETA if you join them.
So if I play on a 33-128 player server, EA might not like it and won't give me shiny medals to make my e-penis grow?

What a threat...

So once it's actually released, I can either a) play on official EA servers using the devil-spawn that is Origin, get shiny medals and unlocks after playing for tens if not hundreds of hours, on 32-64 player servers, using the stuff where Dice has decided what is best.

OR, I can b) play the cracked version, not require Origin, play on 64-128 player servers with all unlocks and perks unlocked from the get go, with changed load-outs and weapon stats.

I wonder which one I'd choose.

Yes, this won't happen immediately after the release. But I'll give you a few examples: Il-2 Sturmovik, Mafia, GTA SA, Mafia II, GTA IV, and pretty much any game ever released.

None had _any_ mod tools. The files were all packed in strange formats, but people always find out how to unpack them, and how to edit them. It WILL happen. Not as total conversion mods like FH2, but as sillyness mods, texture packs, realism mods, etc. A mod doesn't need to be 10 new maps and 50 new vehicles. Just good old texture & setting tweaks are enough to start with.

As for the probable "That's not how they've made the game, the devs have tested and tested and tested and tested, they know best." No. If I buy a game, I own it, and can do whatever the hell I please with it. Unfortunately I live in Europe where I still have that right as a consumer. No matter what a EULA says (which are void anyway, as the only contract that binds a customer is one he signs before buying the product). If you buy a designer lamp, and change the shade, the designer can't start suing you because you changed something you own.

As a final note, I'm not saying BF3 sucks. After watching TotalBiscuit play it, it actually looks very good. Especially the infantry weapons seem to actually do damage unlike vanilla BF2. Grenades are ridiculous though, almost no damage even from up close, and tanks never seemed to be much of a threat to anyone.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1338 on: 02-10-2011, 10:10:41 »

You are so naive it's almost cute

thanks!, I feel like someone now =]


 who wants to play on it?  :P would you play with those players...? Is that the kind of person you are? nice to know.

of course!, I have been playing in unranked servers with "those players" since bf42 ;), then in PR, then in FH2. 

ofcourse only EA content is real, it's their game... it's the same with our mod, just because someone makes a custom map at home for fh2, doesnt make it an FH2 map. Only things we release officially inour mod is real, the rest is labeled as custom.

Oh, my dictionary was wrong with the definition of real then... aparantly anything that is not real is custom, good ^^.

« Last Edit: 02-10-2011, 10:10:24 by SiCaRiO »

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1339 on: 02-10-2011, 10:10:51 »
Let me know when theres BF3 up for grabs that doesnt need Origin. :)

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1340 on: 02-10-2011, 10:10:49 »
*Takes egg

This is your brain when playing regular games

This is your brain when you play a game with Origen

*trows egg on the ground

Any questions?
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1341 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:00 »
+1 to THETA, but that is obvious (about the popcorn pic).

+100 to Paasky, though.
From the looks of it, BF3 should be a very nice game. I am very happy about the bipods, prone, supression, 64 players, helicopters and planes, etc. etc. Even more with the graphics and destructible environments.

On the other hand, it is up to potential buyers to voice their opinion on what they do not want to see in a future game. Because if they don't do that, the next game will require a 1$ bill inserted into a 3.5 floppy drive (I have heard somewhere they do pull them in) every time you start it or something worse. Look at Spore. A pretty nice game, which nevertheless failed due to the limited installations possible and some other critical flaws. This led to almost immediate hacks. Which means the gamers DO HAVE the power to change things on the market.

I am honestly quite surprised that nobody has noticed the fact that BF3 for PC is EXACTLY the same price as for Xbox and PS3. Console games always cost more as they give a large portion of that money to the manufacturers of the consoles, who sell them below price to start with. So why is the PC version effectively more expensive? Simply because they can get away with it! They know that an average BF3 PC gamer has the money to buy a powerful rig to be able to play it on or those kids who want to play the game so much they'd pay anything to get it. So they charge more and do get away with it. Heck, if they knew they could get away with charging 100$ and still have the same amount of people buy the game, they would definitely do it. But most likely what will happen in such a scenario is that ppl would get annoyed and angry and would buy nothing or MW3. Same mechanism with Origin. The more people get angry here, the faster will EA realize the problem and change the Eula. I will even state this - I would forgive EA for this extra 10$ if this means no Origin on my PC.

To conclude, I do honestly think that EA would benefit form relaxing the EULA right now. This might give them even more supporters than if there wouldn't be any Origin to start with. How did Activision rack up so much cash on their MW franchise? They did things that gamers wanted to see. And they keep their promise. So should EA do to succeed. Why should they fall back on such strategies for extra cash gains such as Origin, when the game is interesting and nice all by itself? Because they want EVEN more, apparently. Well, time will tell if they were right here, quoting Einstein from Red Alert.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1342 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:06 »
I'm not trying the beta, but I don't expect the initial PC release version will be all that different to the console versions (except for more players/bigger maps) due to it being a multi-platform game.

Looking at it from the other side of the fence, I'm sure DICE is more concerned with making sure everything is running smoothly for all platforms at launch rather than worrying about what the die-hards are saying about the beta.

Once it's all up and running, then they'll implement platform-specific (read: PC-specific) changes based on the community's feedback relating to the release version of BF3.

Also, don't forget how different BF2 was compared to it's beta... ;)



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...How did Activision rack up so much cash on their MW franchise?...

Easy, by charging full price for old games.

Example: COD:MW2 still retails for almost 90 dollars in stores.

While you can usually find it on sale for half that (probably cheaper online), I do not think it is acceptable to be charging top dollar for a copy of a game that was released almost two fucking years ago!!!... >:(

In fact, I find the COD cash-grab so offensive, I'll think long and hard before buying another Activision product.

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1343 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:35 »
This thread is golden


Yeah, came back here to get an answer to a question, and found quite an amusing discussion.

In one corner we have a guy who hates a certain company so blindly he is miles away from being objective.
And in the other corner someone, who blames the other of using the same techniques that he himself has been using as the basis of his counterarguments for years. :D

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1344 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:23 »
of course!, I have been playing in unranked servers with "those players" since bf42 ;), then in PR, then in FH2.
Bf1942 didn't have ranks, so I guess you played on pirated servers with hacked key-gens then? Nice to know  ::) Why don't you want to support the makers of the games?

And you seem to not understand the difference here....I can explain:
 "unranked" servers have been available for all battlefield games, it's just normal servers, which arent connected to the rank system. Usually because they are passworded, or have changed settings that aren't allowed within the ranking system. Ranking systems (or "persistence systems") are carefully designed and planned, and have a virtual economy. This is tuned so that no matter what server you play on, you will always earn the same amount of points/scores. No player should be in  dis- or advantage by playing on a certain server. That's done to prevent abuse or stat-padding, so the game becomes fair and balanced.

Now, what you're talking about for BF3, is pure piracy. Hacking files and setting up an unranked, and also hacked server. That's totally different. BF3 will have normal unranked servers as well, I am sure you can set tickets and time and password etc as you wish on those, but you need to pay to run them.

You are nothing but a parasite if you encourage people to play on hacked servers, and it's beautiful that you are unable to hide this fact :) now we know this, and this shines a weird light on many of the posts you also make about FH2. You seem to have no respect for integrity of creators of content. You're a scavenger, who considers everything to be "free", just because it's on the internet and not in the real world? or what is the deal here? Do you also have a problem with authority? Cant take orders from the boss at work, or what.... having to make up for it on the internet by excerising your "free will"  :-\
It's good to know, because now when you make statements about FH2, we know from what angle you come in, the fuck-all angle, the "do-as-I-want" angle. I wonder, when you cross the line and get banned from forum, do you then wander off to the next one, and start draining away the patience of the owners of that site too, until they also ban you? what will you do when there are no more forum owners to piss off, no more communities or games to scavenge?

We don't allow piracy on this forum, so if you continue to encourage people to use hacked cd-keys or pirated games, you will be banned. Consider that first warning.
« Last Edit: 02-10-2011, 11:10:59 by Natty »

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1345 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:45 »
hold on a minute, I never said anything about piracy, you said I played on unranked server , I said is true, you should have said Pirated servers instead ;).

for the record, i own bf42, bf2 and bf2142, but yes, i used to play bf42 in a "cracked"(not hacked) server in my early days of gaming :P, now i can afford to buy games, so I do!. SO basicaly that invalids 80% of your post :P.

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1346 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:47 »
Consider that first warning.

Arent us moderators the ones who dish out warnings?

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« Reply #1347 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:31 »
Oh Natty you are starting to get very amusing. First saying that the community doesn't mean shit to developers and then saying that the community should worship those developers. I suggest you stop pretending to be god and admit you're wrong on some points before your posts start containing nothing but this two-sided nonsense.  ;D

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1348 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:15 »
If you want to fight piracy, the most effective way would be to make the "not-hacked" servers better than the "hacked" ones. Shouldn´t be too hard to achieve for a major game developer.

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« Reply #1349 on: 02-10-2011, 11:10:12 »
SiCaRiO u entered in to a fight you cant win, just let it go. You showed your true self, now you can't "unshow" it. Please continue to encourage people to play on hacked/illegal BF3 servers, just do it  ;)

Unranked legal Bf3 servers will be available, as I said, but this betafiles that were hacked is pure software piracy, something we do not allow here on this forum, just as we don't allow links or talks about no-cd key .exes or other violations. @Flippy: this isnt a mod thing.

Back on BF3: the game is out in a few weeks, I think cannonfodder made the absolute most clever post in this discussion yet, read it and then understand that these last 90 pages were more or less waste of bytes  ;D

Looking at it from the other side of the fence, I'm sure DICE is more concerned with making sure everything is running smoothly for all platforms at launch rather than worrying about what the die-hards are saying about the beta.

A-men.