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Mad, in the example we were talking about CoH2, not BF2
You're strange. Very strange.
Huh? OK. I mentioned Steam in the example in which I was comparing FH2 SP to CoH2 SP, of which I do know some research results (I don't know of any FH2 research results: I don't think there are any). Because I mentioned Steam, I thought it was clear that I was referring to CoH2 and not FH2 or any other game.

CoH2 was just an example to show how the SP/MP ratio is in some games. It might be the same in FH2, but because FH2 does not have a singleplayer campaign (with which I mean successive levels with scripted events and a continuing storyline), I added those numers to the coop part, which makes 2/3rd of the community play SP and 1/3 MP. But that is only if the ratio is comparable, of which I am not sure because again, I don't have any numbers on FH2.

And because you seemed so sure about the numbers, I was asking you where they were coming from. I still didn't get a clear answer to that. I don't mind if you don't know either or if you are not certain about the numbers, but all I have read until now is
- you know a lot of gaming communities
- SP players don't go online so they are not in forums, etc.
- and yet you know there are thousands of them

That just baffles me.



I've asked you to discuss only the sp/mp players ratio.
You write this:
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I don't think we should include people playing on the pirated version of the game to the overall statistic either.
It indicates that you understand, that we're talking not only about CoH2, but about all games.

After that you quote again, but not me but jan_kurator instead. So please don't paste two things together to make your own, it is just more confusing than it already is given the language barrier and the miscommunication in this thread.

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Non-official copies of the game doesn't establish connections to the official gameservers.
And they can't play SP anymore either without some sort of hack. I wouldn't count those players as "part of the singleplayer community".

That is wrong. You can install bf2 and play sp or coop without any internet connection. All you need is a CD key valid for the installer, then you use an offline account ingame to play sp or coop.
Mad, in the example we were talking about CoH2, not BF2 ;)

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Off-Topic / Re: The Book Club - 2017
« on: 12-05-2018, 22:05:10 »
Does anyone have some fiction reading recommendations? I've been reading a lot of history lately, and would like to take a break, but I don't know where to start.  :P
The Diceman, by George Cockcroft/Luke Rhinehart ;)

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And they can't play SP anymore either without some sort of hack.
Emm... What is the problem? I've downloaded it, I've played the campaign. What I did wrong? :)
If you have the game only, a CD or anything and you didn't activate the game on Steam properly, then you can't play it anymore, not even in SP. Because even to open a game in SP, you have to connect to their gameservers. So if you played the campaign without Steam, then you had a cracked version, because that is the only other option there is. And I think that if we are counting SP vs MP players, that we should stick to non-cracked, thus officially bought/activated games.


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Non-official copies of the game doesn't establish connections to the official gameservers.
And they can't play SP anymore either without some sort of hack. I wouldn't count those players as "part of the singleplayer community".

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Maybe the language barrier is at play here, but I think you misunderstand me and it might be the other way around too.

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In CoH2, Relic did some research into their playerbase and there it was like this:
I'm sure it's not true (in russian it would be the "истина" term, which means "the real true/in reality" and close to "in fact", instead of the term "правда", which means "true" in a common meaning).
This is what I spoke about.
The relics has the statistics on a Steam database. The people who're buying it at Steam mostly wants to play it online - otherwise there is no sense to do it for that price.
Actually the research was done by checking the data of the Relic gameservers. Also, the Steam price is not very high, so I wouldn't know why people would not buy it on Steam. There are regular discount events in which you can get it for 50% or even 75% off. Moreover, when you got it for free in Humble bundle for example, you can still play online so I don't get your point here.

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Because there is no SP campaign in FH2
Not only the campaing makes the singleplayer game.
I agree, that's why I added the number to the coop part of the playerbase, it is in favour of your point, but even then I can't get to the amount of SP players you are suggesting.

The probability of it is the same for all of player categories.
I.e., we have 200 MP players, and 2000 SP players. The ratio is 1/10 (just for example, remember))
10% of each category have downloaded the mod ten times.
Result: 400/4000=1/10 ratio.
So, if Matthew_Baker said that it was 100-150 mp players (example again), so there were 10-15 of them crying in despair together with another 100-150 sp players, who couldn't install it too :)
I'm sorry, this part I really didn't understand. I fail to see why I have to believe that the SP community is at least 2000 players, even though I would really like that to be true (although imo it would be even better if all those people tried to play online, but that's a different discussion).

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@MaxP: thanks for your explanation.
I think he's wondering (and I am too) about how you came to that number.
I was indeed wondering this, and now I'm getting an idea. I see what you mean, but imo it's still a bit bold to say the SP community is at least ten times bigger than the MP community, but that is just my opnion.

In CoH2, Relic did some research into their playerbase and there it was like this:
- 1/3 of the playerbase plays MP online
- 1/3 plays "mp battles" against the PC
- 1/3 plays the SP campaign only

Following that logic, FH2 would have an SP community of about 200-600 people mostly. Why? Because there is no SP campaign in FH2, so we add those to the second group in the example above (so that makes 1/3 online and 2/3 SP/Coop). Since the online community is roughly 100-200 people who play regularly, that makes the SP community roughly 200-600 people.

I know about the Launcher downloads too, but these numbers are blown up, because of:
- double downloads by same people
- downloaded but never installed
- installed but never played
- played once and then ditched

But for me it would be totally fine if someone steps up to be the SP dev, because he/she will make lots of people happy :)

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I'm still very much interested in this. In case you think I don't believe you: I do, but I'm curious where you got the numbers from.
From my own experience, of course.
OK, could you please explain how your experience can tell you that there are at least ~2000 SP players out there? PM me pls if it's NSFW.

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Could you try and record it? Clip could be just 20 seconds or something, but then we all can see what you mean.

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General Discussion / Re: Post your FH2 Screenshots
« on: 10-05-2018, 21:05:33 »
Any context to the last picture?  ;D
After having a firefight with the enemy ship, it went down, and then all of a sudden got swooped into mid-air, our guess was that there was a sub below it and the wreck couldn't sink properly and therefore jumped skyhigh.

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And the number of sp/coop player is, at least, tenfold more that the number of mp-fans.
That's an interesting statement, where did you get those numbers from?
I'm still very much interested in this. In case you think I don't believe you: I do, but I'm curious where you got the numbers from.

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General Discussion / Re: Post your FH2 Screenshots
« on: 10-05-2018, 11:05:53 »
Theme of today: Naval warfare






???wtf???

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And the number of sp/coop player is, at least, tenfold more that the number of mp-fans.
That's an interesting statement, where did you get those numbers from?

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Off-Topic / Re: Picture of the Day
« on: 04-05-2018, 19:05:38 »
Brummbar + Pz II, wonky combo. Did the Pz II function as a command vehicle? The barrel seems to be disabled. 

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General Discussion / Re: Post your FH2 Screenshots
« on: 02-05-2018, 21:05:45 »
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