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Forgotten Hope 2 => Modding => Topic started by: 162eRI on 09-05-2010, 19:05:13

Title: French Hope
Post by: 162eRI on 09-05-2010, 19:05:13
(http://uppix.net/d/e/2/4ffa9f0dabe11633f7222443d9159.jpg)

Hi guys,

The bloody French froggies are proud to show you what we have been working for some months now. This French Hope project, as you can guess by the pictures and name, will depict battles of the French army, the Free French Forces and the Vichy French Forces. Be aware, those are just maps and not a faction!

(http://uppix.net/4/3/a/ea06a1f09585d486f963ca80250d8.jpg)

Today, we are growing in strengh and we felt like we had enough content to show you. With the help of some fine mappers such as Nikita, Snoox, Le Griffu, we started several maps all based on the French fights. We are trying, as much as possible, to make those maps spicy and different from what you are used to play.

(http://uppix.net/8/4/a/c3e9dd7b4ac24342ab3f69ad56f21.jpg)

We are working with FH2 stuff for now and our first goal is the map of Bir Hakeim's map. Scoub is working on the infamous Bir Hakeim "canon de 75" and others on the French helmet and "képi".

(http://uppix.net/b/9/9/7ad1864b9e8cb6e0fa0ff292b1310.jpg)

You will be able to fight in Northern France, in 1940, and try to stop the mighty Germans Panzer waves at Sedan and Stonne. You will follow the French and British Expeditionary Forces retreat at Dunkirk and save as many soldiers as you can. You can choose to fight with the Free French Forces at Bir Hakeim in Africa and save the British armies from a complete encirclement. You can also join the Vichy French Forces and defend Libanon against the Australian invaders... Or you can try to defeat us, but can you ?!

(http://uppix.net/0/1/1/820cfc5d424802d19bd5f334025fc.jpg)

Right now, you are looking at Sedan and Stonne's ingame screens. The battle of Sedan, or should we said the breakthrough at Sedan was a major defeat for the French army. At Sedan, the Meuse Line consisted of a strong defensive belt, overlooking the Meuse valley and strengthened by 103 pillboxes. The French command expected the Germans attack on such defences only when a large infantry and artillery force would have been built up. But on May 13 and 14, the Panzer Divisions of General Guderian's 19th Panzer Corps broke through French defenses around the city. It came as a complete surprise. The German forces pressed forward as rapidly as possible to prevent the French armed forces from reforming a new defensive line.

(http://uppix.net/b/5/c/f478021313a10cd2a364ab369d2fb.jpg)

The second map depicts is Stonne. In the night of May 13-14, the French urged various forces south of Sedan to counter-attack the German breakthrough, but it was already too late. Very early on May 15, the "Grossdeutschland" Infantry Regiment supported by tanks of the 10 Panzer Division assaulted the French city of Stonne, to consolidate Guderian's breakthrough at Sedan. They didn't expect to encounter the French 3rd Armored Division and 3rd Motorized Infantry Division arrived late on May 14, too late to counter-attack. The battle of Stonne has been called by the Germans the "Verdun of 1940" and was the first major tanks battle of world war two. The town switched side 17 times in 3 days!

(http://uppix.net/c/b/e/46d487f4d803cf5ef736cddb7bca6.jpg)

But to finish this project, we need the community's help. We are recruiting ! We need mostly mappers and modelers for statics. All talents are welcome.

Stay tuned for more news,
Friendly yours, the French Hope project

(http://edmondprochain.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/oui-nide-iou.jpg)
(We need you)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 09-05-2010, 19:05:28
This came totally unexpected!
/me reads that Nikita is mentioned briefly.

Or not.  ;D

Looks good guys. Very nice surprise. Keep it up!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Paasky on 09-05-2010, 19:05:58
Vive La France!

(http://koti.mbnet.fi/peksoft/wawstuff/panhard178_4.jpg)
http://koti.mbnet.fi/peksoft/wawstuff/panhard178_1.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/peksoft/wawstuff/panhard178_2.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/peksoft/wawstuff/panhard178_3.jpg



http://koti.mbnet.fi/peksoft/wawstuff/panhard178_v1.rar

Works fine in game, just needs a proper texture.
(You can change the texture paths by opening the panhard178.bundledmesh in notepad and search for dds)
Feel free to use as you wish :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jürgen on 09-05-2010, 19:05:55
Didn´t Toddel say that if he saw a french map that looked good enough he would make some french tanks?

*hint* *hint*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: :| Hi on 09-05-2010, 19:05:05
YES! BIR HAKEIM!  <3

Favorite Bg42 map.

Edit: I can only imagine CPS' face when he sees this
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ciupita on 09-05-2010, 19:05:32
i think i just came...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 09-05-2010, 19:05:49
More toys to play with in new playgrounds ! Is it Christmas ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 09-05-2010, 20:05:17
WOW nice work  :o

Vive la France!
In future, we would like to cooperate with  you (we as NML), to get French army in soon. Do you agree? I really love your work, for example Sedan church, and the maps  :o
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cory the Otter on 09-05-2010, 20:05:29
indeed, if this French mod were to help out, It would get the french faction into NML that much sooner.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Paasky on 09-05-2010, 20:05:05
Don't know how you guys feel about Vichy, but I've got an old Lebanon map (and just decided to make a new better quality one) which should have Vichy vs Aussies ;)


Also, I trust you've already converted the FH1 French sounds for FH2 :) I converted the Finnish sounds just for fun at one point, I could do the French for you if you already haven't.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 09-05-2010, 20:05:10
Seriously, Wow, nice news, I love it. I hope the stuff you would make will be like FH2 stuff in terms of quality, it's hard to say with 6 pictures. And who knows, if this stuff would'nt be a part of FH2 some day :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: NTH on 09-05-2010, 20:05:00
Looks good guys. From what I've seen from Griffu's work I know you guys can make kick ass maps.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 09-05-2010, 21:05:42
oh my map.. O.o eRI should we give them a minimap? ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Aggroman on 09-05-2010, 21:05:36
Amazing!
Really, this needs to be included into the official FH2!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Josh094 on 09-05-2010, 21:05:16
Sweeeeeeet~
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fabien on 09-05-2010, 21:05:52
Minimap :

http://img162.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-15171/loc573/65669_screen056_122_573lo.jpg

Notes on actual gameplay :
- The city is in french hands at begining (stonne's and pain de sucre)
- Crossroad is untakenable by frenchs and is a checkpoint for german infantry
- Tanks only can mount up by the road
- There is hudges tanks battles near the city and hudge infantry/light tanks battle in the city

Some screens :
http://img253.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65679_screen050_122_344lo.jpg
(Note it's didin't changed today : http://www.3cantons.org/img/images/550.jpg)
http://img171.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65719_screen068_122_405lo.jpg
http://img249.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65675_screen053_122_182lo.jpg
http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65681_screen049_122_472lo.jpg
http://img160.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=87556_screen104_122_770lo.jpg
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 09-05-2010, 21:05:25
could this thread become a sticky?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 09-05-2010, 21:05:53
No.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-05-2010, 22:05:19
So  mes amis?

Nous avons gonna see?Le French Chars? Le french planes?

I like where this is going...........i really really like where this is going...


Imagine if this is merged with FH2  :o   
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: kettcar on 09-05-2010, 22:05:55
great job, what i see  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jürgen on 09-05-2010, 22:05:55
This projet has almost all they need...they have maps,and that is the most important part...
Make good maps and one day FH2 might handle the rest...
Good maps take time and effort...so...keep the good work...


Also...sorry but I had to say it:

Why has the Avenue des Champs-Élysées a lot of trees?
-So the german troops can parade in the shade!!!


Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AdamPA1006 on 10-05-2010, 00:05:35
Like everyone said, looks awesome
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Eat Uranium on 10-05-2010, 00:05:22
Looks intresting - maybe one day these maps will be able to be got ingame with all the correct stuff.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 10-05-2010, 01:05:24
So  mes amis?

Nous avons gonna see?Le French Chars? Le french planes?

I like where this is going...........i really really like where this is going...


Imagine if this is merged with FH2  :o   

 ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gl@mRock on 10-05-2010, 05:05:15

With Super-Dupont on your side, what can go wrong?

(http://chopard.fest4.free.fr/emoticons/army/armata/armata_PDT_37.gif)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Raziel on 10-05-2010, 08:05:42
Awesome work guys! Keep it up!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 10-05-2010, 09:05:27
Great! Early war French campaign, one of my favourite "forgotten theatres" in WW2. If you could integrate all those early war equipment it would be awesome. Early war Panzergrau textures for German vehicles already exist, so mainly the French stuff needs to be done.
Can´t wait to blow up Mathildas with Stukas! :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 10-05-2010, 09:05:35
Im waiting for Counterattack port.  8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Phoenixo_Idaho on 10-05-2010, 20:05:51
Just be patient, maybe it'll come  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Desertfox on 10-05-2010, 22:05:29
It is hard to be patient
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 10-05-2010, 22:05:26
This is awesome guys, can't wait to charge those Germans in my Char :D

And if the quality and gameplay is good enough this can become part of FH2? It would be awesome if it did!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-05-2010, 22:05:14
Its hard to be patient when you know that the possibilty of ripping trough german defenses with the Char B1 and wiping out german tanks with the SOMAU 45 has been increased
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: corsair89 on 11-05-2010, 18:05:04
Sounds really interesting, early war is one thing I'd really like to play, with paper tanks and such.

Bonne chance pour ce projet  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 11-05-2010, 19:05:11
Some ingame shots of Stonne.

bad minimap atm.

WIP!!!!

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/minimap-5.jpg)

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/bf22010-05-1119-37-05-59.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/bf22010-05-1119-35-05-65.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/bf22010-05-1119-34-18-59.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/bf22010-05-1119-34-52-51.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/bf22010-05-1119-33-47-95.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/bf22010-05-1119-32-32-97.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/bf22010-05-1119-32-09-45.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Rawhide on 11-05-2010, 19:05:09
Oh snap

Amazing
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 11-05-2010, 20:05:27
wow, nice!  :o
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 11-05-2010, 20:05:29
[Add the Jizzed.In.My.Pants gif/jpeg here]
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-05-2010, 20:05:52
That is WIP?  omg i cannot wait to drive my Char B1 down that hill on Screenshot 6 with TF2's "The heavy" sounds!

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 12-05-2010, 10:05:18
Since what time its your char^^
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hamm0ck on 12-05-2010, 14:05:16
I really hope to see this mini-mod released someday, I have always liked the french forces and it's equipment during WW2.  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-05-2010, 15:05:34
Since what time its your char^^
Since i was great with the French chars on counterattack on FH1!!! My top turret was always manned, and we made many german people call out=FRENCH BIAS!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 13-05-2010, 22:05:30
Since what time its your char^^
Since i was great with the French chars on counterattack on FH1!!! My top turret was always manned, and we made many german people call out=FRENCH BIAS!

But the PzIIIJ hopelessly made it german biased and completely unbalanced. I wish the same mistake will never be made again.  :-[
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Tuhulu on 14-05-2010, 02:05:58
I really hope this gets merged into FH2. My experience with small mods on bf1942 is that they often get low amount of players. Like that norwegian resistance mini mod for FH1. If it had been included to FH1 those maps with those veichles would be played alot more. Guess im saying is I hope it wont go so much work into this awesome prosject and then no one plays it.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 14-05-2010, 02:05:41
It's not a minimod, but an independant team who made stuff for FH2 team.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Hresvelgr on 14-05-2010, 05:05:04
Thought so. Did anyone notice all the French goodies in the recent changelog?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 14-05-2010, 09:05:22
There still was a French MiniMod and the Leader is now still in the Team that should mean... yeah FH maybe have all these things and you do now double work. But i´m not sure i only now that hes still in the Team since a long Time.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Smiles on 15-05-2010, 12:05:17
I have no worthy feedback but, woow the last few screen made me feel like its FH1942 time again. The openess, the space and the forest. The road spiraling down, the brown leaves the nearly destroyed village.
Looks really awsome ;D.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Meadow on 15-05-2010, 13:05:23
I'm very, very excited by this. Early war maps, especially with a balanced and accurate PzIII (with a 37mm, please), should be great fun.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 16-05-2010, 14:05:14
I'm glad too see nice comments, and i sure hope this will get somewhere one day. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 16-05-2010, 16:05:35
Vive la France!  This is what I have dreamed of!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-05-2010, 18:05:20
So will this be a seperate mod? or a new theathre for FH2?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Dnarag1M on 16-05-2010, 19:05:55
And when do we get to play a few beta rounds on Griffu's excellent map...it was bloody brilliant fun, we should do some 'testing' every two weeks ! :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Beaufort on 16-05-2010, 19:05:34
Check your pm box froggies... 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Phoenixo_Idaho on 18-05-2010, 09:05:32
It's not a minimod, it's just a new theater of war for the mod.  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-05-2010, 16:05:37
It's not a minimod, it's just a new theater of war for the mod.  ;)
(http://www.expressnightout.com/content/photos/20090105-beatles-450.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 18-05-2010, 23:05:13
That is the best news i have heard in a long time :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: silian on 19-05-2010, 01:05:23
Make the Laffly W15 TCC plz (the partially armoured version).

Très sexeh.

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-05-2010, 13:05:44
I hope we will see these=

-Panhard Et Levassor P 178, Panhard AMD 35
-AMR-35
-Somua S-35
-Kégresse P 107
-Hotchkiss H35, H38 and H39
-Renault R35
-FCM36
-Char B1
-Renault D1 and D2


And so on and so on.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-05-2010, 23:05:20
OMG DUDE STOP! Otherwise i wont sleep tonight of the awesomeness  ;D

Will the MAS 36, FM24/29 and Hotchkiss M1914 and 1922 also be added?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 20-05-2010, 00:05:17
If these things still in the build why no one shows them as a screenshot  ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gezoes on 20-05-2010, 15:05:26
Bloody nice work, love the minimap. It oozes wide spaces and Villers-like awesomeness.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 20-05-2010, 17:05:06
for those who want.. search Stonne, France on google maps or earth.. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Josh094 on 20-05-2010, 18:05:37
(http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/4678/stonne.png) (http://img576.imageshack.us/i/stonne.png/)

OHMY. Is there a way to use a scale googleearth screenshot on BFeditor?

BTW, why have you mapped it with the south at the top?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 20-05-2010, 21:05:35
i just found it more natural to do it that way..
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Priestdk on 21-05-2010, 08:05:45
OK after going thrue the hole thread, i have to admit im officaly interrested in this.

Looks realy good, keep showing stuff, keep people interrested, looking forward to more news about this.

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Orunes on 21-05-2010, 21:05:30
Putain this is great!
This would be great indeed in the official FH2  ;)

Have you french weapons and soldiers as well?

Well good luck  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 21-05-2010, 23:05:13
I have this if you´re interested?
(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af43/BGF-Kraetzer/Tanks/sample0005P16.jpg?t=1274475717)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 22-05-2010, 03:05:57
lol no point making the map 1:1 from google earth.. alot can change in 60 years :D, try to make sure that it plays out well first. Also beware of making the map too huge unless your going to have planes, otherwise it's just too much transport times. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 22-05-2010, 03:05:36
 ;) I have an Panhard 178 as well, yes i can do statics but atm i not interested into join a Mod like yours, i have Teams^^

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Brazilian Comrade on 22-05-2010, 05:05:48
France! This will be good! ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fabien on 22-05-2010, 11:05:44
@Krätzer : Beautifull :)
Is it coded ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 22-05-2010, 17:05:36
@Krätzer : Beautifull :)
Is it coded ?

Nope and all important Maps are missing, like normal etc.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-05-2010, 17:05:17
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le_1939_(mine)

Can we has mine?  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Desertfox on 22-05-2010, 17:05:29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le_1939_(mine)

Can we has mine?  ;D
Bitte! Can't wait for this, haven't played too many WW2 games with French stuff
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 22-05-2010, 18:05:04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le_1939_(mine)

Can we has mine?  ;D
"It saw very limited service before the fall of France"

but this one is a must
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1936_mine
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-05-2010, 19:05:09
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le_1939_(mine)

Can we has mine?  ;D
"It saw very limited service before the fall of France"

but this one is a must
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1936_mine
oh well, We gotta has a AP mine for frenchies right?  ;D 

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 22-05-2010, 23:05:40
1. Reverse.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-05-2010, 12:05:20
Their should be a newspost about this.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Aggroman on 23-05-2010, 13:05:25
Note that they aren't official in the team so they won't appear in any release, at least from what I know.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Meadow on 23-05-2010, 13:05:32
Note that they aren't official in the team so they won't appear in any release, at least from what I know.

Then you'd best do something about that, pronto!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-05-2010, 14:05:05
Note that they aren't official in the team so they won't appear in any release, at least from what I know.

Then you'd best do something about that, pronto!
^this
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Aggroman on 23-05-2010, 14:05:16
Only thing I can do is telling every single mapper of them to apply.
FH2 would probably take them all, but the devs won't come from alone and pick them, they have to apply on their own.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Meadow on 23-05-2010, 15:05:19
Absolutely, I was somewhat kidding. But what if, say, the French Hope project as a whole presented everything at once as a team and offered to join FH2 all together with their completed work? Obviously the devs and testers would then make sure everything is up to scratch (and I know this could take a while) but would it not be better than individual mappers joining on their own? Also, Seth is a dev already, isn't he?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Aggroman on 23-05-2010, 17:05:27
If all mappers join together they could work on their maps in the team.

But I think the biggest problem is, that everyone starts making minimods, custom maps etc. instead of joining the team. We all know that minimods or maps will never be in the official release, or will get a good playerbase, so instead of working on your things, rather join FH2. :)
Oh and yes, Seth is a dev for a long time already.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: elander on 24-05-2010, 16:05:48
If all mappers join together they could work on their maps in the team.

But I think the biggest problem is, that everyone starts making minimods, custom maps etc. instead of joining the team. We all know that minimods or maps will never be in the official release, or will get a good playerbase, so instead of working on your things, rather join FH2. :)
Oh and yes, Seth is a dev for a long time already.

But I guess that noone are good enough.. FH2 should have a mapping school. Though the devs dont have time for that...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Aggroman on 24-05-2010, 16:05:40
They are all good enough. ::)
Snoox? Check his maps, they are amazing.
Griffu? Fromond proofs more or less that he's good, he is even in the betatester team now.
Nikita? Experienced FHT mapper.

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 24-05-2010, 18:05:31
All three have been betatesters for some time now. So they indeed have been recognized already.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Meadow on 25-05-2010, 13:05:39
Alright, fingers crossed for some French Hope in 2.3 (that's the release after next, right?).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Toddel on 25-05-2010, 14:05:51
being a betatester mean not automaticly you become a dev. but your chances are higher as for a puplic fellow.

for now no one of this guys which are in this French hope crew and betatester came to me and told me about there project.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 25-05-2010, 14:05:30
that is correct, no onehave consulted the fh2 devs about this project as far as i know. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 25-05-2010, 14:05:54
Not yet. But you cat bet (or you don't have to even bet, just read this thread) that the entire FH2 community is screaming bloody murder for them to officially apply for this content to be included in the mod proper, pronto! With these gorgeous maps along with all the French goodies in the changelog and the Panzergrau variants we already have, we could have the Battle of France already!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 25-05-2010, 15:05:54
Not yet. But you cat bet (or you don't have to even bet, just read this thread) that the entire FH2 community is screaming bloody murder for them to officially apply for this content to be included in the mod proper, pronto! With these gorgeous maps along with all the French goodies in the changelog and the Panzergrau variants we already have, we could have the Battle of France already!

You scream bloody murder. Others are just content atm. Nice going you demagogue. ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 25-05-2010, 15:05:55
I bet I can find enough oppressed people here to man the barricades and start demanding their unalienable human rights, that is, to have this mod included in the official build. ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 25-05-2010, 16:05:12
You Have my 1874 Gras. rifle!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 25-05-2010, 16:05:28
Only a mad-man will not combine the new fancy French stuff in the changelog and the cool French Hope project. Every sane person will agree that early-war and late war French NEED to be in the mod, everything else will be madness.
*lightstorchandgrabspitchfork*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Josh094 on 25-05-2010, 17:05:37
Only a mad-man will not combine the new fancy French stuff in the changelog and the cool French Hope project. Every sane person will agree that early-war and late war French NEED to be in the mod, everything else will be madness.
*lightstorchandgrabspitchfork*

I agree, combining these two mods would be a very wise decision.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: elander on 25-05-2010, 18:05:29
Only a mad-man will not combine the new fancy French stuff in the changelog and the cool French Hope project. Every sane person will agree that early-war and late war French NEED to be in the mod, everything else will be madness.
*lightstorchandgrabspitchfork*

Sure fellas. It is very good that the maps are made and the intrest is there. Though these maps will need to go trough a long phase of testing and tweaking, + the mod need more french stuff for a release. Though This project does have potential to get included. Lets hope the guys behind french hope talk to the devs and that the outcome will be a combinement in the future.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-05-2010, 19:05:09
You Have my 1874 Gras. rifle!
And my Lebel Model 1886!
Thanks again for the kind words guys!  ;) We are really glad to read your comments!

Also, about the Devs, one knew before we posted the news. Some have their entries in our French forum as well :P And we understood a thread about this project was made in your private section of the forum. So, we are surprise, as much as you, that you didn't know about it Toddel! In fact, since some already knew, we didn't think we had to contact someone else, and who?!
I will contact you soon by PM Toddel.

Awesome!  

Common guys! Work something out and join forces! I cannot wait for this front to arrive on my screen!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 28-05-2010, 11:05:41
So true, you should check RUSE once it is released, the french have great early war equipment there as well!

...And long before the German Goliath, the French produced their own "chenillette téléguidée à charge explosive". Very impressive!
...

Hehe, French Names must have been the main reason why the war went bad. Before someone can call for a "chenillette téléguidée à charge explosive", the enemy tank will have run you over twice.
Just kidding here. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-05-2010, 17:05:11
Quote
So true, you should check RUSE once it is released, the french have great early war equipment there as well!
Many in our team played it (beta test) and we loved it! It's so rare a game depicting the French army and we are quite strong ingame. The Sau40 and the AM40 are excellent!


France is a great nation in RUSE. It is really good on 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. A quick army of SAU40's quickly defeats any rush. It is my favorite nation aswel in RUSE

Plus late war they are not so bad. With the FCM F1, wich targets both ground as air units, you can even own those german High techers.

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fabien on 28-05-2010, 19:05:34
Yep, french is a strong nation in RUSE, as in deffense as in attack.
The sau40's are simply awsome to destroy ennemy : artillery 75mm in case + 47mm in turret :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 29-05-2010, 19:05:22
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-05-2010, 19:05:31
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Josh094 on 29-05-2010, 20:05:49
(http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8863/normal664420159.jpg) (http://img532.imageshack.us/i/normal664420159.jpg/)

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Beaufort on 29-05-2010, 20:05:22
and they never did ...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 30-05-2010, 00:05:49
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line

agree ! but if maginot line was in all the border, it wouldn't stop germans too. It could only delay them !
Vauban known that ! ... but WWII french generals don't.

And when you see that a captain of a s35 or a B1bis had to control 47mm gun, mg gun, give orders, aim shoot and reload (etc etc..) yeah there is a problem.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: :| Hi on 30-05-2010, 01:05:43
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line

agree ! but if maginot line was in all the border, it wouldn't stop germans too. It could only delay them !
Vauban known that ! ... but WWII french generals don't.

And when you see that a captain of a s35 or a B1bis had to control 47mm gun, mg gun, give orders, aim shoot and reload (etc etc..) yeah there is a problem.

But keep in mind that all the bunkers supported each other, and that almost all bunkers were impossible to blow up with the german artillery of the time
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gl@mRock on 30-05-2010, 01:05:33
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line

agree ! but if maginot line was in all the border, it wouldn't stop germans too. It could only delay them !
Vauban known that ! ... but WWII french generals don't.

And when you see that a captain of a s35 or a B1bis had to control 47mm gun, mg gun, give orders, aim shoot and reload (etc etc..) yeah there is a problem.

I don't see any problems there, we do that all the time in FH2. (http://chopard.fest4.free.fr/emoticons/army/armata/armata_PDT_28.gif)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hankypanky on 30-05-2010, 02:05:24
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line

agree ! but if maginot line was in all the border, it wouldn't stop germans too. It could only delay them !
Vauban known that ! ... but WWII french generals don't.

And when you see that a captain of a s35 or a B1bis had to control 47mm gun, mg gun, give orders, aim shoot and reload (etc etc..) yeah there is a problem.

I don't see any problems there, we do that all the time in FH2. (http://chopard.fest4.free.fr/emoticons/army/armata/armata_PDT_28.gif)
What you don't see in FH2 are all the little beavers doing that for you :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: elander on 30-05-2010, 11:05:53
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line

agree ! but if maginot line was in all the border, it wouldn't stop germans too. It could only delay them !
Vauban known that ! ... but WWII french generals don't.

And when you see that a captain of a s35 or a B1bis had to control 47mm gun, mg gun, give orders, aim shoot and reload (etc etc..) yeah there is a problem.

I don't see any problems there, we do that all the time in FH2. (http://chopard.fest4.free.fr/emoticons/army/armata/armata_PDT_28.gif)
What you don't see in FH2 are all the little angry beavers doing that for you :)

fixed that one for yah ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 30-05-2010, 12:05:13
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line

Not exactly. Our AA was good but not in large numbers and all the 75mm + AA guns were concentrated in towns to protect from bombing (ie were they were never used). People were remembering Zeppelin bombings of WWI.
The other problem is also that the country (and especially the industry) wasn't really prepared for a massive production of military stuff and when it started to be the case ... everything was over. ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-05-2010, 12:05:10
frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line

Not exactly. Our AA was good but not in large numbers and all the 75mm + AA guns were concentrated in towns to protect from bombing (ie were they were never used). People were remembering Zeppelin bombings of WWI.
The other problem is also that the country (and especially the industry) wasn't really prepared for a massive production of military stuff and when it started to be the case ... everything was over. ;)
The money spended on the maginot line, would have resulted in double the amount of french tanks, planes, artillery and the development of modern Light, medium and heavy Anti-aircraft guns  (the 13.2MM and 25MM hotchkiss guns where Very effective, but not many where built)

Many many plans and projects where ready. But all the funding for them was transfered to the maginot line.

The only reason why germany won the battle of france, was because of air superiority. German tanks where massacard. Even their medium tanks couldnt win versus a simple light tank like a FCM 36.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 30-05-2010, 13:05:46
Theta, the problem wasn't really money but production itself.

You have to understand that truely military plants were few and couldn't sustain a very high rate of production. Beside these there were many little plants, each one making a part of the final product. And there were many new processes to implement because most of those factories were initially civil plants (for exemple making cars, bicycles or cans) that were converted for military production. This is not something you do in a few weeks, sometimes production was screwed for many months before there were actually results, slow results.
That's how happened weird situations such as shortages of guns, tanks without turrets or (the worst of all) thousands of brand new aircrafts stuck on the ground because they lacked radios or weren't certified for flight.

BTW, you know, the FCM36 was really modern for its time but its fighting efficiency wasn't much higher than a R35. It was still a light tank with a short barrel 37mm gun.  ;)

edit: forgot a letter, STUCK not suck. :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 30-05-2010, 13:05:46
Also, weren't the tactics of the French to use the tanks to support infantry? and where therefore scattered around the battlefield while the Germans put al there tanks together in groups? The result was that the French tank was always terribly outnumbered and did not really have much of a chance of winning the fight? If the French would have grouped there tanks they would have had a much better  chance of beating the German tank groups thus winning more battles thus maybe stopping the Germans in there tracks.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-05-2010, 13:05:40
Theta, the problem wasn't really money but production itself.

You have to understand that truely military plants were few and couldn't sustain a very high rate of production. Beside these there were many little plants, each one making a part of the final product. And there were many new processes to implement because most of those factories were initially civil plants (for exemple making cars, bicycles or cans) that were converted for military production. This is not something you do in a few weeks, sometimes production was screwed for many months before there were actually results, slow results.
That's how happened weird situations such as shortages of guns, tanks without turrets or (the worst of all) thousands of brand new aircrafts suck on the ground because they lacked radios or weren't certified for flight.

BTW, you know, the FCM36 was really modern for its time but its fighting efficiency wasn't much higher than a R35. It was still a light tank with a short barrel 37mm gun.  ;)
Still. The avaiable funding could have helped that.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 30-05-2010, 13:05:43
The whole war resources went to the White flag factory that was burned to the ground and rendered the French military machine useless  ;D

Bad tactics and stuck minds . That's what lead to defeat.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-05-2010, 13:05:33
The whole war resources went to the White flag factory that was burned to the ground and rendered the French military machine useless  ;D

Bad tactics and stuck minds . That's what lead to defeat.
Yep. They led to the maginot line  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 30-05-2010, 14:05:57
WWI tactics in WWII process. Bad.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hankypanky on 30-05-2010, 17:05:20
Hmm a white flag factory? How effective are white flags against German tanks?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Meadow on 30-05-2010, 17:05:30
Hmm a white flag factory? How effective are white flags against German tanks?

They worked fine when we Brits used them at Dunkirk, but when the French used them it was cheese-eating surrender, apparently.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hankypanky on 30-05-2010, 23:05:52
Hmm a white flag factory? How effective are white flags against German tanks?

They worked fine when we Brits used them at Dunkirk, but when the French used them it was cheese-eating surrender, apparently.

XD
how does cheese-eating surrender work XD
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 30-05-2010, 23:05:17
what this have to do with french-hope mapping/mod/whatever.. thats the question.. :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Arc9 on 30-05-2010, 23:05:13
*looking at the first page*
Well, well! looks like paasky finally found a use for that old relic! :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 31-05-2010, 02:05:29
 I have 2 relevant questions.

 Does French Hope have a nice static of Maginot Line?
 If so, will French Hope have a map with a functional Maginot Line that we can fight inside?



JH
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 31-05-2010, 06:05:43
well they may looking for historical accurency...so =>no fight with maginot line...at least, a map with germans encircling french at maginot line. It's hard to deal with..
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 31-05-2010, 14:05:58
we have currently no custom statics, as far i know.. though my map wont contain any, there might be on other maps. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 31-05-2010, 15:05:31
we have currently no custom statics, as far i know.. though my map wont contain any, there might be on other maps. :)
(http://www.filmdope.com/Gallery/ActorsC/2760-5456.gif)

"So you're saying there's a chance"
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 31-05-2010, 15:05:40
no chance for maginot-line map
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hankypanky on 31-05-2010, 22:05:40
It couldn't work, or it would be pretty difficult! The Maginot Line isn't only a bunch of bunkers. It's an huge fortification system with tunnels, factories (for fresh air, food, ammunitions and water), different level of "fighting bunkers" (mortars, turrets, 75mm, MG, etc), with railways to bring soldiers and ammunitions in and out, with elevators to go to the fighting bunkers, etc. Think of it as an huge cruiser buried in the ground.
And even if we could do that, which kind of map could we make? The Italian tried to attack the Alps Maginot Line, and failed: they were repulsed kilometers away before even reaching the first bunker! Same with the German: the could only attack the main entrance of the tunnels and some bunkers. And they attacked them with Stuka (failed) and with 88mm (successful) but couldn't get any further because of the internal defences.

Not all Maginot Line bunkers look like that. Those are the best ones:
(http://www.yowusa.com/scitech/2001/scitech-2001-05a/maginot.jpg)
Wow the French wasted a lot of money on that damn line :/
WAIT DID YOU JUST SAY ITALIANS? PLZ DO ADD :) :0
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 31-05-2010, 23:05:12
Yeah italians tried to invade France through the Alps in the middle of may 1940.

EPIC FAIL.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 31-05-2010, 23:05:47
 I seriously doubt it would be necessary to develop an exact replica of the Maginot Line.



 ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 31-05-2010, 23:05:38
no it isn't they are more important battles before that one !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 01-06-2010, 00:06:28
Wow the French wasted a lot of money on that damn line :/

You know, with our knowledge of history it may seem a waste, but this line actually did its job: preventing any surprise attack like in 1870 and 1914, so that the French army had enough time to mobilize.  ;)

Things didn't happen as expected but at least, we weren't caught with pants completely off.  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Paasky on 01-06-2010, 00:06:28
Exactly, the Maginot Line worked perfectly at not letting the enemy through. Too bad the sneaky Germans knew how to drive through an impenetrable forest though...

Had the French continued the Maginot Line to the coast WWII would've looked like WWI, just with less dashing aeroplanes. But for some reason the Belgians and Dutch didn't like the idea of their lands being left behind. Nor did they allow building the line through their lands, so not to provoke the Germans.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Meadow on 01-06-2010, 03:06:36
I've read that the Maginot Line is thoroughly misunderstood - its purpose was in fact to FORCE the Germans to go round it. The French knew they'd come through Belgium (hint: they did it in 1914) and so decided to force them to do it again and face them there, taking advantage (as they thought) of the inability of armour to move through the Ardennes, nullifying Hitler's vaunted Blitzkrieg.

Of course, this didn't work out because
a) you can drive tanks through forests
b) the French government and society as a whole had been so anti-war in the 1930s that the army was in no fit state to launch a decisive confrontation on the emerging German Army in Belgium or Northern France

So it's key to remember that the only French 'mistake' was the one about Blitzkrieg not working through the Ardennes. They never expected a suicidal charge against their Maginot flank - it was a massive deterrent to funnel the Germans into what the French thought was a battle they could win.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 01-06-2010, 08:06:58
I've read that the Maginot Line is thoroughly misunderstood - its purpose was in fact to FORCE the Germans to go round it. The French knew they'd come through Belgium (hint: they did it in 1914) and so decided to force them to do it again and face them there, taking advantage (as they thought) of the inability of armour to move through the Ardennes, nullifying Hitler's vaunted Blitzkrieg.

Of course, this didn't work out because
a) you can drive tanks through forests
b) the French government and society as a whole had been so anti-war in the 1930s that the army was in no fit state to launch a decisive confrontation on the emerging German Army in Belgium or Northern France

So it's key to remember that the only French 'mistake' was the one about Blitzkrieg not working through the Ardennes. They never expected a suicidal charge against their Maginot flank - it was a massive deterrent to funnel the Germans into what the French thought was a battle they could win.

You can't drive tanks tru the forests of the ardennes, ever seen them? A large parts really is only doable on foot, and let us not forget the many surprise 10m clifs they have. You have to stick to the roads if you want to get tru. And i guess that is what they did.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 01-06-2010, 12:06:39
The small, mostly non-paved roads through the Ardennes were actually a severe bottleneck and slowed down Wehrmacht considerably, so the French got it half right. If they had not stuck to the belief and had reacted faster, the entire offensive could have been stalled then and there.

Regarding the French tanks, they were still designed with a rerun of WW1 in mind. Heavy armour is nice if you expect frontal attacks on fixed positions or defend a fixed position yourself. Of course, speed is of minimal importance in such a role. Plus, if you are not manoeuvering much, you can dispense with the radio which is just expensive and unnecessary gear, it takes space inside the tank and might require an extra crewmember. Also, since you are not manoeuvering much, you don't need to be able to drive long distances range-wise or service-wise, just to support a charge across the no man's land before stopping and waiting for the battlelines to shift and the logistics train to catch up.

In a tank-to-tank fight, the French tanks would give a beating to the Germans. And they had more tanks than Germany, PLUS what the BEF would bring. But the crafty Germans had made their Panzers fast, mechanically reliable (before they got the fascination with heavy tanks) and with radios (to coordinate a large fast-moving force), so they simply outmanoeuvered and outran the French tanks, leaving infantry, 88s and Stukas to deal with them. The German used the tanks to zip through the front lines and wreak havoc among the rear echelon which was completely defenseless.

The irony of the situation was that at the time of surrender, the French Army was still largely intact (Dolchstoß much?), except that it was completely in the wrong place with no realistic chance of getting itself in time where it should have been, and had its supply lines cut by the fast-moving Panzers.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 01-06-2010, 21:06:33
That's not completely true Kelmola. The speed of tanks had nothing to do with a remake of WWI fights, but was set up because of the use of the tanks.

3 categories:
- Infantry tanks were under Infantry command and meant to support infantry only (whatever it is on attack or defence). Making those tanks faster than 20km/h was quite useless
- Heavy tanks (mostly the B1) were meant to be truely unstoppable, to give the initial punch that would colapse any resistance AND provide some close artillery support. Those tanks were mostly in independant brigades under Infantry or Cavalry command. The speed of those tanks was mainly limited by the technology of that time.
- Cavalry tanks were meant to exploit breakthroughs, and so had evenly balanced armor/speed/firepower. Those tanks were under Cavalry command.

In France Cavalry and Infantry were somewhat fighting each others since 1917 to have the control of that weapon (leading to several versions with opposite features), whereas Germany simply created a completely new entity: the Tank Corps. That explains why there was not much difference in philosophy between all early german tanks.


Also, the French tanks so called unreliability compared to German ones is an urban legend. Statistics telling that Germans lost almost no tank because of failures while Frenchs lost a lot come from the simple fact that Germans were on advance and so could recover their damaged tanks, whereas Frenchs couldn't and were forced to abandon them.
The only truely unreliable tank French had was the 2C, and it never really fought.  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-06-2010, 21:06:46
France also had not very good supply lines. Germans could maintain their panzers whenever they want, while the French had to wait for spare parts/maintance tools


Remeber, it was the french wich developed the very first true Tank. the FT-17
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-06-2010, 23:06:20
erh not the first tank, but the first true tank with a 360° turret ! it becomes the model for all tanks since then.

Some french tanks were fast (like S35 or AMD35) so don't see all the tanks like a B1Bis...

Ardennes was a nice place to breakthrough as germans let frenchs go on belgium, so they can surround the maginot line and the dunkirk pocket. (cut the french army in 2 parts)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 02-06-2010, 00:06:46
Nice.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: :| Hi on 02-06-2010, 05:06:31
[ Insert jizz my pants gif/jpeg/png]
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: VonMudra on 02-06-2010, 09:06:09
I've read that the Maginot Line is thoroughly misunderstood - its purpose was in fact to FORCE the Germans to go round it. The French knew they'd come through Belgium (hint: they did it in 1914) and so decided to force them to do it again and face them there, taking advantage (as they thought) of the inability of armour to move through the Ardennes, nullifying Hitler's vaunted Blitzkrieg.

Of course, this didn't work out because
a) you can drive tanks through forests
b) the French government and society as a whole had been so anti-war in the 1930s that the army was in no fit state to launch a decisive confrontation on the emerging German Army in Belgium or Northern France

So it's key to remember that the only French 'mistake' was the one about Blitzkrieg not working through the Ardennes. They never expected a suicidal charge against their Maginot flank - it was a massive deterrent to funnel the Germans into what the French thought was a battle they could win.

You are quite correct sir.  The Maginot Line worked perfectly.  It was the rest of the plan that didn't ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Eat Uranium on 02-06-2010, 09:06:25
I'm curious as to what weapons the French had with them at Bir Hakeim.  I'm sure I remember (probably Johannes) someone posting what they had, but I can't remember.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [79th]Argal on 02-06-2010, 13:06:12
Many weapon come from English arsenal :
Bren Carrier / Antitank Rifles / 40m Bofors

From french arsenal :
76 mitrailleuses Hotchkiss / fusil-mitrailleurs 24/29 , many artillery take on Syrian / Lebanon arsenal as the canons de 75m.

So very different kind of weapons, as there is many kind of Unit (French Legion with 300 Spanish Republican, troops from French Polynesia etc...).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 02-06-2010, 14:06:17
 Will French Hope re-create;

The Battle of Dakar:
the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dakar

Also known as Operation Menace, an unsuccessful attempt in September 1940 by the Allies to capture the strategic port of Dakar in French West Africa.


 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/22px-Flag_of_France.svg.png) Vichy France

vs

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png) United Kingdom
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png) Australia
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Flag_of_Free_France_1940-1944.svg/22px-Flag_of_Free_France_1940-1944.svg.png) Free French Forces

 It would be interesting to see this battle as Vichy France vs The Free French



 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-06-2010, 14:06:25
These where probaly one of the most iconic units=
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Canon_de_75_modele_1897_used_at_Bir_Hakeim_modified_as_an_antitank_gun_on_pneumatic_wheels.jpg

They destroyed quite some panzers while still firing strong HE shells at advancing troops

from wiki=
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The available equipment was also of diverse origin. There were 63 Bren Carriers, several trucks and two howitzers from the British, but most of the artillery pieces were French and came from the Levant: 54 75mm cannons (30 were used in an antitank role), 14 47 mm, 18 25 mm and 86 British-supplied Boys anti-tank rifles and 18 anti-aircraft Bofors 40 mm. Most of the infantry equipment was French, with 44 .81 or .90 mortars, 76 Hotchkiss machine guns, 96 anti-aircraft and 270 infantry FM 24/29 light machine guns.


By the way, is their a site wich has a full list of french equipment during WW2? or WW1? I was always intrested in them, but never found good sources


Also for French ammo kits the berthier carbine can be used

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthier_carbine

(http://www.rollanet.org/~stacyw/french_berthier_carbine_slings_with_guns.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 02-06-2010, 14:06:52
You can find informations about all the armored vehicles here (but it's in French):

http://www.chars-francais.net/

For the other weapons/equipments it's a long term diging job.  ;D

edit: If I remember well, there are also very good articles by David Lehmann spread all over the Internet. I think I have a .pdf including a quite complete description of the French army of 1940 somewhere on my hard drive.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fabien on 02-06-2010, 15:06:04
We are actually mapping 4 maps, and 2/3 are in project ;)

I leave you pleasure to conspiracy ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Eat Uranium on 02-06-2010, 15:06:05
That still leaves my most pressing desire unanswered: what infantry smallarms did they have (rifles, smgs, pistols etc.)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 02-06-2010, 16:06:13
That still leaves my most pressing desire unanswered: what infantry smallarms did they have (rifles, smgs, pistols etc.)

Here you go.

http://forums.filefront.com/fh2-suggestions/372936-french-weapons-second-world-war-comprehensive-articles.html
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-06-2010, 21:06:59
Many weapon come from English arsenal :
Bren Carrier / Antitank Rifles / 40m Bofors

From french arsenal :
76 mitrailleuses Hotchkiss / fusil-mitrailleurs 24/29 , many artillery take on Syrian / Lebanon arsenal as the canons de 75m.

So very different kind of weapons, as there is many kind of Unit (French Legion with 300 Spanish Republican, troops from French Polynesia etc...).

Also gurkhas (if i'm right) captured and released by german...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 06-06-2010, 23:06:08
'hope we will see news quickly..
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 07-06-2010, 12:06:48
I'm surprised I haven't seen this until now, but then I haven't been too active on the forums as of late. In any case, can't wait to see more images! Now to address some stuff.

@THeTA0123 : Thank you for your kind words mate! Well, as you may have seen in the 2.26 changelog, many French stuff has been made:
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* Grenade Defensive modele 37 (sethsoldier)
* Grenade Offensive modele 37 (sethsoldier)
* Pistolet Automatique modele 1935 A (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Bayonet (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Tromblon (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Apx21 (sethsoldier)
* Somua S35 (sethsoldier)
* F1 Grenade (sethsoldier)
* French Soldier (sethsoldier)
* SA34 25mm (sethsoldier)
* H39 SA18 model and skin (sethsoldier)
* B1 Bis (sethsoldier)
* Citroen 11 cv Model and Textures by HERC (toddel)
* French Army Kits (sethsoldier)

Tiny note: Berthier 1916 rifles were almost never used with the VB rifle grenade, as they were determined to be structurally too weak. This is why the Lebel 1886 M93 remained the standard rifle of the grenadier. Scoped Berthier rifles did exist, although these were rare compared to scoped Lebels.

When designing maps, remember that French squads using 8 mm rifles always had a mix of Berthier rifles (the riflemen, sergeant and corporal x 6), Berthier carbines (the ammo carriers x 3), and the Lebel rifle (grenadier x 1). It was an extremely complicated situation that was largely resolved with the 7.5 mm MAS 36 (or Berthier 1907-14 M34) squads, which just gave that rifle to everyone (although since grenadiers were usually pooled at platoon level, they often retained the Lebel).

You know what would be awesome? The RSC 1918. Unlike the RSC 1917, which remained in storage, the 10,000 RSC 1918 semi-auto rifles were taken out and issued in 1940 (often to the GRM).

That still leaves my most pressing desire unanswered: what infantry smallarms did they have (rifles, smgs, pistols etc.)

Here you go.

http://forums.filefront.com/fh2-suggestions/372936-french-weapons-second-world-war-comprehensive-articles.html

I have an updated version that I really should post on these forums one of these days. That link seems to be missing a good chunk of the photographs.

Yeah italians tried to invade France through the Alps in the middle of may 1940.

EPIC FAIL.

June 1940. Italy declared war on 10 June, started their primary offensive on 20 June.

Wow the French wasted a lot of money on that damn line :/

You know, with our knowledge of history it may seem a waste, but this line actually did its job: preventing any surprise attack like in 1870 and 1914, so that the French army had enough time to mobilize.  ;)

Things didn't happen as expected but at least, we weren't caught with pants completely off.  ;D

Yeah, that. The Maginot Line remains one of the most poorly understood things in history. It was not designed to be a magical shield that would stop a German offensive; that was pure propaganda used by both the Third Republic to comfort their citizens and the Vichy government to highlight the supposed decadence of the Third Republic.

The Maginot Line was designed as a deterrent to force the Germans through Belgium. As has been pointed out here, the French fully wanted to make the Germans go around it; the best French forces, the First and Seventh Armies, and the British Expeditionary Force were all allocated to rushing into Belgium to halt the German advance there. The miscalculation was in expecting the primary German offensive to go through northern Belgium (Army Group B; in fact, the original German plan until January 1940 did project just this) rather than through the Ardennes in southern Belgium (Army Group A), which was defended by only light Belgian forces and the worst of the French Army (the 2nd and 9th Armies).

Finally, in terms of the utility of the Maginot Line strategy, it would be wise to remember that the Germans were doing the exact same thing with the construction of the Siegfried Line in the 1930s.

Exactly, the Maginot Line worked perfectly at not letting the enemy through. Too bad the sneaky Germans knew how to drive through an impenetrable forest though...

Had the French continued the Maginot Line to the coast WWII would've looked like WWI, just with less dashing aeroplanes. But for some reason the Belgians and Dutch didn't like the idea of their lands being left behind. Nor did they allow building the line through their lands, so not to provoke the Germans.

But the story of the Ardennes forest is also somewhat overblown. People like quoting Pétain's statement that the forest was "impenetrable" while omitting the last part of it that stated "provided certain measures are taken." In fact, the French didn't believe the forest was "impenetrable" as much as they did that it would take the Germans, assuming that was not the primary axis of their offensive, too long to cross the Meuse River. The calculation was 9 days (the exact amount the German High Command also predicted), by which time it was believed the French Army would be able to mobilize the troops necessary to encircle and pincer off any threat that developed in that sector. This failed because the French underestimated the German force (still thinking Army Group B was the primary, and thus taking too long to react to the threat at Sedan), had squandered their best reserves in the rush through northern Belgium, and, finally, the Germans crossed the Meuse much faster than anyone thought they would, in a mere three days.

As for the Maginot Line reaching the coast, it would have not only made the Belgians feel left out (they ended up declaring neutrality in 1936 though) but also would have cut through the industrial heartland of northeastern France, thus disrupting industry. In theory, the Belgian fortifications (of which Eben Emael was a part) was supposed to be an unofficial linking continuation with the Maginot fortifications.

frecn army's equipements are great (they overclassed most of the german's ones) but poor tactics and coordination lead France to the fail of 1940. Hopefully it didn't hurt our hope. French Hope. (lol)
Problem with france during WW2 was lack of proper radio equipment, not so good tactics, bad AA weaponary, 1 and 2 man tank turrets and the waste of resources spended on the maginot line

The 1 man turret and Maginot Line may seem like badly designed wastes of resources, but it should be remembered that the primary reason behind their construction was the demographic fact that France needed to conserve as much manpower as possible. 40 million French against 70 million Germans was not a bright prospect, and in fact France could mobilize far fewer men of prime age in 1939 than they did in 1914. Given that mentality, the money spent on the Maginot Line fortifications would theoretically allow France to conserve much manpower, since the forts would prevent unnecessary casualties and could be manned by fewer men than an unfortified position. Given this mentality, it can be seen why sparing a man per tank could also make sense.

As for the Maginot Line being a waste of money that could have been used elsewhere:

You have to understand that truely military plants were few and couldn't sustain a very high rate of production. Beside these there were many little plants, each one making a part of the final product. And there were many new processes to implement because most of those factories were initially civil plants (for exemple making cars, bicycles or cans) that were converted for military production. This is not something you do in a few weeks, sometimes production was screwed for many months before there were actually results, slow results.
That's how happened weird situations such as shortages of guns, tanks without turrets or (the worst of all) thousands of brand new aircrafts stuck on the ground because they lacked radios or weren't certified for flight.

That. People forget that France had a very different experience from the industrial revolution. Whereas in the United States and Britain the efficient "mass producing giant factory" became the stereotypical form of industrialization, France's industrial revolution was centered around modernizing the old "small workshop". This was perceived as both socially pleasant and more traditionally French (France has had a very long history of artisans; the "tour de France" used to be a stage in artisan apprenticeship, a tradition that lasted all the way into the 19th century), but in times of impending war would be wildly inefficient. The average Morane 406 took 18,000 man-hours of labor, as opposed to the BF109's 5,000. Given their inefficiency and lack of development, the French factories were producing as much as they could before the war; it's questionable whether much more could have been done had the money from the Maginot Line been spared, especially given the political atmosphere of 1930s France. In fact, the French were eventually reduced in 1939 to buying as many planes as quickly as possible from the United States.

well they may looking for historical accurency...so =>no fight with maginot line...at least, a map with germans encircling french at maginot line. It's hard to deal with..

Fights did happen at the Maginot Line, which faced off German Army Group C throughout May 1940 and finally had to face some full-scale German offensives in June 1940. But yes, it would be very hard to do and probably not worth the effort modeling the complexity of the Maginot Line fortifications.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 07-06-2010, 12:06:15
Like chinese people ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 07-06-2010, 12:06:58
Like chinese people ?

Lol, talking about the uniform.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 08-06-2010, 08:06:43

Well, yes. But it wasn't really used by the units on the field. On the other hand it was quite used by the "Corps Francs" (or "Francs Tireurs" during the phoney war). Not high priority... But it's a very cool rifle ^^
PS: what means GRM?

GRM = Garde républicaine mobile, elite motorized military police attached to the armies, occasionally saw action as combat troops

So, to make it short, what would be best for the French faction are those rifles, FMs and PMs (if we get all of that of course xD ):
-recon 1 (voltigeur): Mousqueton Berthier (carabine) (http://www.armetec.fr/media/mousqueton-m16-01-11366-1.jpg) / -recon 2 (franc tireur): RSC 1918 (http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/1729/rscmle1917mle19185lj.jpg) or PM Mas 38 (http://www.maquetland.com/v2/images_articles/PM%20MAS%2038-WEB.JPG)
-assault (grenadier): Lebel 1886 M93 (http://i31.servimg.com/u/f31/11/07/51/60/310.jpg) + Tromblon (http://www.atf40.fr/ATF40/divers/armement/tromblon%20VB.jpg)
-riflemen (fusilier): Berthier 1916 (http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Berthier2.jpg)
-machinegunner (tireur FM): FM 24/29 (http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20francaise/artisans%20c%20d/chatellerault%20manuf%20fm%2024%2029-05.JPG)
-engineer (génie): Berthier 1916 (http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Berthier2.jpg)
-anti-tank (anti-char): Berthier 1916 (http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Berthier2.jpg)
-NCO (sous-officier): Berthier 1916 (http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Berthier2.jpg) or PM Mas 38 (http://www.maquetland.com/v2/images_articles/PM%20MAS%2038-WEB.JPG)
Kits:
-ammo carriers (pourvoyeur): Mousqueton Berthier (carabine) (http://www.armetec.fr/media/mousqueton-m16-01-11366-1.jpg)
-sniper (tireur d'élite): Lebel 1886 M93 Apx21 (http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/Lunette%20mle%2021%20pour%20Lebel-WEB.jpg)
-heavy machinegunner (mitrailleur): Hotchkiss mle 1916 (http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/Mitr%20Hotchkiss%20mle%2014-VD%20sur%20tr%E9pied-WEB.JPG)

Hotchkiss mle 1914 you mean? :P

Engineers should definitely have the Berthier carbine and not the long rifle. Anti-tanker? Hard to have such a dedicated role in 1940, when very few AT weapons other than arty guns were used. The French did have some Boys rifles in 1940 that they had received from Britain in exchange for some Hotchkiss 25 mm AT guns, which would negate the use of the Berthier rifle.

You might want to consider also squads using the MAS 36 rifle, which eliminated the overcomplicated 8 mm squad setup (everyone in those squads got the MAS 36); certain maps involving the better armed French forces (such as those that fought at Stonne) would probably have a higher concentration of MAS 36 wielders than a battle like Sedan.

Haha, nice picture. Do you know where it was taken? Nice copies as well, I know many French 1940 copy stuff is beeing made in Belgium and Holland.
I hope as well to see the French player model to be like this! But I don't know if we can make a similar "capote" (overcoat) with BF2 engine?!

Yes. The picture is of me a month ago during my last lecture to the class I teach at my university (with the sponsorship of a professor) on the history of the French Army and government in World War Two. And other than the boots, the puttees, and possibly the greatcoat, they aren't copies! :)

What you see:

-Adrian 1926 (size D shell) w/ 1915 infantry insignia of the 1940 khaki color
-mle 1938 capote
-mle 1938 golf trousers (dated 1940, in a huge size for the time, hence why they seem so baggy on me: 104 cm, or a U.S. size 40)
-ANP31 gas mask set (with complete gas mask equipment inside)
-mle 1892-34 musette
-1892/14 y-straps (the correct prewar pattern with 9 holes, not the common postwar surplus with 11 holes)

Hidden behind my period flag: 2 x 1916 cartridge pouches, 1903/14 waist belt, 1935 canteen (with chasseur blue wool cover and black strap)
-On my back: 1 x period army belt loop (replacing the back ammo pouch), 1893/14 backpack, with wool blanket, mle 1935 tent inside and three tent pegs strapped outside, canvas water bucket on the front, and strapped on non-standard fashion a strapless mle 1935 musette and a strapless mle 1877 2-liter canteen
-In my pants: a caleçon
-Within the musettes: mle 1935 and mle 1852 messkits, mle 1852 cup

Schipperfabrik very recently introduced their mle 1938 capote and infantry vareuse (which, copied from an original, also has the back stitching of the mle 1935) which are nice, but extremely expensive.

As for modeling the capote in-game, I don't think it's possible/practical. I know this discussion has been had on these forums before (concerning German and American winter coats). You can probably get away with just modeling the infantry vareuse.

If you want pictures of anything for modeling reference, let me know! When you get around to modeling the MAS 36 sights, you'll definitely want to see good photos (or own and look through) the real thing instead of improvising it from photos you find online, almost all of which portray the post-war type, which had different front and rear sights.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 09-06-2010, 08:06:50
By the way, carbine is a bad translation for "mousqueton". Yes, it's a carbine, but if we translate in French, there will be a mistake, as we make the difference between the carbine (like the M1 carbine) and the Mousqueton (shortened rifle).
For the anti-tank class, we did have them in 1940. They were equiped with "pétard" (high explosives) and few AT grenades from WW1. We have similar kits in FH2. He should get the AT mines as well, but the engineer need something xD.

Were the pétards actually used in AT role though? I figured they were simply used in standard satchel (engineering and sapper construction/destruction) duty.

There was a model 1918 anti-tank grenade, but I was under the impression that it was no longer in (widespread) service in 1940.

As for carabine and mousqueton, it's kind of a moot point. There isn't a current, common translation in English other than "carbine" to represent the idea, and in French the differentiation (at least in terms of French Army weaponry) ceased to be relevant following the 1890 series of cavalry and police carbines. For example, the "mousqueton 1916" was not a shortened version of a rifle, but in fact an updated mousqueton 1892, which was an independent carbine design that preceded the Berthier long rifle by a decade (almost two decades if you don't count the rare 1902 indochinois rifle).


Of course, was just doing the rifle list for the common units. With the Mas 36, it's more simple. Now you got me interested for Stonne. I know there was some DI (Inf. Div.) and DCr (Armoured Div.), but didn't know they were equiped with Mas 36. I believe the DCr was equiped with Mousqueton (because it's a cavalry div.). Do you have more informations about that plz ?

Actually, two things:

1. The 4 DCRs (at Stonne, it was the 3rd DCR that fought alongside the 3rd DIM, a motorized infantry division) were not cavalry divisions but in fact infantry tank divisions. The three armored cavalry divisions were the DLMs (Division légère mécanique). In any case, both the 3rd DCR and 3rd DIM were elite divisions who likely had many MAS 36s within their ranks, but this is an educated guess rather than a statement of fact.

2. Cavalry troops (primarily dragoons and other mounted infantry; not drivers of vehicles) actually got the MAS 36 rifles proportionately more than the infantry units. MAS 36 rifles were not only issued to elite units (and the better standard infantry units), but also as a priority to cavalry troops given their strategic and tactical role as the advance guard of the army meant to be the first line of defense against enemy offensives, and hence serving as a cover for the slower mobilization of other troops within France. An ironic note: despite the fact that people associate the M35 equipment and ammo pouches with the MAS 36, in fact there was no coordination between the issuing of the newer equipment and the MAS 36. Most troops given the new pouches and equipment continued to use the 8 mm rifles, while the cavalry, with their higher proportion of MAS 36 wielders, retained for the most part the older 1916 pouches and Great War-era equipment.

Sorry for that! Just said it because you were reenacting and most of the time they are using copies (luckily). Very cool equipment you got there. The golf trousers are rare and expensive, most of the time (like most of the French equipment) it's post-war (1945-1950s). Many capotes and other French clothes have been produced in 1944-1945 and are 90% similar to 1939-1940 productions. Because they were using unissued surplus and they were producing them in the same factories with the same techniques than before the war. The main difference is the color and quality who sucks. The Belgian and Dutch are known to collect a lot the French 1940 equipment! (don't know why!)

Actually, I'm not so sure about the 1944-1945-manufactured uniforms. French industry mass produced uniforms in 1944-1945, for sure, but as far as i know they were all the model 1941 (Vichy) patterns that the GPRF retained in service and the newer 1944 pattern uniforms copied off of Canadian Battle Dress. There are also French-made American uniforms, but I have yet to find/hear of (they might exist, but certainly just in small numbers) the 1940-style uniforms being manufactured in 1944-45 (mle 20, 35, or 38 vareuse, mle 20 or mle 38 capote, mle 22 culotte or mle 38 golf trousers). The Vichy government did keep manufacturing the old style uniforms until late 1941 or early 1942 (when the 1941 uniforms started entering service), and these as well as unissued examples from during and before the 1940 campaign were taken out en masse to issue to troops of the reconstituted metropolitan army in 1944 and 1945 (who often modified them in peculiar ways, like removing the shoulder straps from the infantry vareuse), but I haven't personally seen any evidence yet of these old patterns actually being manufactured in those years.

And yes, mle 1941 and 1944 uniforms made in 1944-45 are often of very mediocre quality cloth, sometimes even being made of captured German wool (and thus in field gray)!

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-In my pants: a caleçon
And what do you got in your caleçon ?  ::)

Heh heh, I should rephrase that. I was wearing a caleçon réglementaire, French Army long underwear of the prewar configuration. It was funny, manufactured in such a matter as to be essentailly crotchless!  :-X

And yes, I know about that site. It's quite excellent!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-06-2010, 18:06:36
it is ok to be historical accurate, but you have to think of balance. If you dont give the french an anti-tank class, imagine the frakking horror!

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 09-06-2010, 19:06:05
In that time infantry AT weapons were few and not that efficient on both sides. It will be an occasion to learn a new way to play. ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 09-06-2010, 19:06:09
Yeah PR style,One side gets PZ3 and the other Rox to throw at them!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 10-06-2010, 00:06:11
Berthier was the most common weapon in the french army in 1940 ??? oO

damned..i think it was lebel ^^' ...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ajs47951 on 10-06-2010, 06:06:42
Funny name for a mini mod  the French had no hope all you need to do is to send one tank over and the hole French army holds up the white flag lol 

plz don't take this in a bad way. Just joking!
looks like a cool mod
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 10-06-2010, 07:06:28
In that time infantry AT weapons were few and not that efficient on both sides. It will be an occasion to learn a new way to play. ;)

Yes. 1940 plays by different rules from the later campaigns when infantry was spoiled by large numbers of personal AT weapons. Emphasis on tank destruction was overwhelmingly on the AT gun, of which France had some of the best in service, and which were almost the only effective things the Germans had (primarily the Flak 88 mm, as their other guns often had problems denting the French armor).

Besides, as I said, the French had Boys rifles, and the Germans already had captured Polish wz. 35 rifles and probably some of their own model 1938 and 1939 AT rifles.

One of David Lehmann's posts online states that the French also had molotov cocktails in 1940, although I don't know any details about this.

Berthier was the most common weapon in the french army in 1940 ??? oO

damned..i think it was lebel ^^' ...

Most riflemen had the Berthier long rifles; Lebel 1886 rifles were relegated to grenadiers, snipers, and the mediocre units (reservist types).

It's impossible to know the exact numbers, but I would imagine the most common arm in the French Army was actually the 1892 Berthier mousqueton (carbine) and its derivatives (primarily the 1916 5-shot type).

There were about 2 million French soldiers in 1940. The average infantry squad had 6 Berthier long rifles (Lebel 1886 M93's replaced these in some units, but usually only in the poorest equipped ones), 3 Berthier carbines, 1 Lebel 1886 M93 (the grenadier), 1 FM 24/29 LMG, and 1 guy armed with a pistol (usually the Spanish imports like the Ruby). However, artillerymen, engineers, corps francs, drivers, cavalrymen, heavy machine gunners, and other special troops (like goumiers, and much of the army stationed in Indochina) used primarily the Berthier carbines and not the long rifles.

Note that there are numerous variations of the Berthier rifles and carbines, and both types experienced numerous minor modifications in the interwar period. Basically, the most significant types were:

-1916 Berthier rifle (5-shot, most common long rifle by 1939)
-1907-15 Berthier rifle (3-shot, for the poorer units)

-1916 Berthier carbine (5-shot, most common carbine by 1939)
-1892 Berthier carbine (3-shot, for the poorer units)

There was also the Lebel 1886 M93 R35 carbine, which saw limited service (about 35,000).

Of the 2 million-ish troops, only about 300,000 were armed with 7.5 mm rifles: the MAS 36 (250,000, the best units and much of the cavalry) and the Berthier 1907-15 M34 (about 50,000, largely fortress infantry).

Some other, more rare, non-Berthier and non-Lebel rifles were in service in 1940: the RSC 1918 semi-auto (10,000), MAS 40 semi-auto (unknown number; I think the only unit that got a standard issue of these was the 10e RC), and the Gras 1874 (in the French Army, only among the most backwater local reservist units).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-06-2010, 12:06:35
Seeing both the Lebel as the Berthier AS the mas-36 would be so awesome

even more awesome that if we have the french army we can have a battle of norway
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: General_Henry on 10-06-2010, 13:06:38
Yeah PR style,One side gets PZ3 and the other Rox to throw at them!

Smoke + landmines worked very well. Awesome project, I must say.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 11-06-2010, 01:06:25
1940 german soldier skins...
brownish/greenish ones are the original skin
..

Gewehr
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/Gewehr_Front_new-1.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/Gewehr_Front_44.jpg)

Unter Off
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/UnterOff_Front_new-1.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/UnterOff_Front_44.jpg)

Spaher
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/Spaher_new.jpg)

Pioner
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/Pioner_Front_new.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cory the Otter on 11-06-2010, 01:06:39
that is great, snoox!  I hope french hope is really good, I want to see some resistance action!


...and I guess actual battles, too...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Pascucci the Whiner on 11-06-2010, 03:06:04
Do I see M43 lowboots on those models? They should all have jack boots.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 11-06-2010, 04:06:58
Woah :|, great stuff Snoox, FH2 quality ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ajs47951 on 11-06-2010, 05:06:54
1940 german soldier skins...
brownish/greenish ones are the original skin
..

Gewehr
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/Gewehr_Front_new-1.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/Gewehr_Front_44.jpg)

Unter Off
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/UnterOff_Front_new-1.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/UnterOff_Front_44.jpg)

Spaher
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/Spaher_new.jpg)

Pioner
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk93/Daedra08/Pioner_Front_new.jpg)


on models how come you don't have all the bages on them like the SS runes on them? "if they they had them"?
also there should do a model for the Schutzstaffel Waffen SS 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 11-06-2010, 06:06:56
Yeah and as Mudra wrote, Y-straps weren´t common for the normal Landser during the French campaign. But Except for that they look pretty good!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 11-06-2010, 07:06:02
why this and why that is because these are not new models, this is the standard whermacht setup with a tweaked texture, nothing more....
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 11-06-2010, 09:06:30
on models how come you don't have all the bages on them like the SS runes on them? "if they they had them"?
also there should do a model for the Schutzstaffel Waffen SS 

Because the use of those it illegal in some country's like Germany. Therefore it will not be in the game.

Also, Schutzstaffel is SS, so it is silly to say "The SS Waffen SS" like you did.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 11-06-2010, 12:06:37
1940 german soldier skins...
brownish/greenish ones are the original skin
..

A piece of advice: have a look at saturation/constrast/light settings for the green uniforms. They look oversaturated and some parts that should have remained white/grey are now somewhat green.  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 11-06-2010, 13:06:06
the greenbrowngreyish uniforms are the current FH2 ones, nothing i have done.. :P

they are there because some people aint ww2 geeks and wont know the difference
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 11-06-2010, 14:06:32
Well, actually forget what I said. I checked on another computer and obviously, the main problem is that one setting was erased from Powerstrip. My screen calibration is completely fucked up. :P

edit: Back with a correct color calibration, YES, all uniforms look great.  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 11-06-2010, 17:06:16
but when you say it, it wouldnt hurt if the devs could clean up the uniform texture a little bit
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 13-06-2010, 16:06:07
Does french will have FM 24/29 ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 13-06-2010, 16:06:39
it is ok to be historical accurate, but you have to think of balance. If you dont give the french an anti-tank class, imagine the frakking horror!


but they have better tanks and anti-tank guns.. besides there are always anti-tank mines
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 13-06-2010, 17:06:20
Does french will have FM 24/29 ?

yes (and it's already done), FH2 dev team will provide all the equipement needed.
All "French Hope" need to do is to provide quality map up to FH2 standart so they can be integrated into the releases.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Pacifist on 13-06-2010, 17:06:40
Tanks and static guns? Have we forgotten what it was like when FH2 started. At least this time there will be some cover.

French kits
Boys rifle
satchel kits? reuse the brit kit
expack kits?
landmine kit? probably reuse the brit landmine.

german kits
Panzerbuechse 39
Geballte Ladung
Geballte Ladung 3kg
Tellermine 35
expack kits?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-06-2010, 17:06:58
Germans can use the Afrika kit setup (perhaps no smg for officer or something because the French have not many and the mP40 was not so common that early)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 13-06-2010, 18:06:00
Germans can use the Afrika kit setup (perhaps no smg for officer or something because the French have not many and the mP40 was not so common that early)
You´re sure about the MP40 part?
I read that each squad leader of infantry units had a SMG, mainly a MP40 or MP38 and added some extra firepower on medium ranges.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 13-06-2010, 18:06:53
officiers in french army had more pistols in 1940 than Mas 38, which was given to chasseurs alpins for example
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 13-06-2010, 20:06:55
The MAS 38 was the Waldo of French weaponry. Every time I find one in a photograph (which is not very often) I go "Woah! I've found a MAS 38!" Since only about 2,000 were made before the defeat, they were not issued in any regular fashion to any particular unit. In general, you could find them more commonly among corps francs, the ski scouts of the chasseurs alpins, officers, and the GRM.

German MP38s were much more common, although I'm not sure when the design changes for the MP40 designation had been implemented.

I don't think the British Mk. 5 mine was around in 1940.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Limonero on 13-06-2010, 20:06:35
The MAS 38 was the Waldo of French weaponry. Every time I find one in a photograph (which is not very often) I go "Woah! I've found a MAS 38!"

(http://www.financialjesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/make_money_in_spare_time.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: :| Hi on 13-06-2010, 20:06:05
I've always wanted to read that book
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 14-06-2010, 03:06:44
Wow. That would be a great Facebook profile pic for me.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-06-2010, 17:06:24
So whats the word/plans now?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 16-06-2010, 18:06:38
Germans can use the Afrika kit setup (perhaps no smg for officer or something because the French have not many and the mP40 was not so common that early)
You´re sure about the MP40 part?
I read that each squad leader of infantry units had a SMG, mainly a MP40 or MP38 and added some extra firepower on medium ranges.

In early war every infantry squad had 1 MP38 or MP40 for the squad leader, later another one was added for the assistant squad leader. And the MP40 was introduced in 1940, so it was not as abundant and the Mp38 would be available in bigger numbers (+ MP28s, MP34s, EMPs etc)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 16-06-2010, 19:06:26
i see no problem with the current early war setup (africa) as an example
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Paasky on 16-06-2010, 19:06:44
Besides, MP38 is easy to make, which is which?
(http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/Angertman22/mp40.jpg)
(http://www.westcountyguns.com/frankmachinegunday/22-MP38.jpg)

They had the same RoF and externally were almost identical.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-06-2010, 19:06:54
Next to the part above the magazine, i see no diffrence
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 16-06-2010, 19:06:57
top is mp40? well from what i believe the difference is, is that mp40 looks like more stamped steel have been used
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 16-06-2010, 20:06:53
  Milled receiver is the big difference. Although MP38 did evolve over time for an early one the mag well and maybe the magazine would look different.  Also the bolt handle would have a hook instead of the safety bolt handle pictured.  If anyone really cares to tweak the current model or make a new one I have crap load of books with pretty pictures.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 18-06-2010, 06:06:14
Did the MP40 exist in time for the 1940 Western Europe campaign? When were the design changes from the MP38 implemented?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-06-2010, 13:06:57
Did the MP40 exist in time for the 1940 Western Europe campaign? When were the design changes from the MP38 implemented?
The MP40 was the simplification of the MP38 wich was a simplification of the MP36. The numbers is the year of introduction of the model i think. And since the MP40 model did not changed after 1940 it remained this way




i think. SOS Von mudra can confirm this
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Toddel on 18-06-2010, 21:06:10
http://videos.arte.tv/de/videos/1939_40_ein_feldzug_nach_frankreich_1_2_-3262972.html
http://videos.arte.tv/de/videos/1939_40_ein_feldzug_nach_frankreich_2_2_-3262976.html

aviable in german and french
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 18-06-2010, 23:06:04
thx a lot Toddel !

About smg, german was a step ahead the other countries (mp18,mp34,mp38 used for campaign of france) however compared to the german army, the smg was still very rare.

On the contrary, for the french side, tromblon or 60mm was more wide spread in the army.

So imo, it's will certainly depends which units on which maps. Some french unit could be only using lebel for instance...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 19-06-2010, 22:06:21
Very nice pictures, thanks. I had missed that broadcast.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 19-06-2010, 22:06:50
Thanks for the hint, Toddel, you just saved my otherwise boring evening.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-06-2010, 18:06:16
Any more status? sorry but i am so thrilled for this theathre
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 23-06-2010, 19:06:08
He who waits, does not wait for granted! ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-07-2010, 20:07:48
can't wait ^^'...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: General_Henry on 02-07-2010, 13:07:02
I do hope that the developers of this mod joins the FH team instead of posting updates here  :D this way we benefit the most.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-07-2010, 13:07:16
Indeed. That way they can also benefit from the good FH2 tester teams
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LtnGeorge on 02-07-2010, 14:07:18
*next theater after normandy: Operation fall Gelb*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: von.small on 02-07-2010, 17:07:11
plus Kevs No mans land Mod, - Fh2 could become huge. :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 03-07-2010, 07:07:31
*next theater after normandy: Operation fall Gelb*

Don't forget phase 2: Fall Rot.

The fighting in June 1940 always gets overlooked by historians because strategically the fate of France was decided in May, but in terms of fighting the battles were often far bloodier. The French were desperate, outnumbered about 3 to 1 with only a shadow of their army left to defend France proper, but nevertheless in June 1940 the Germans took a daily casualty rate double that of May.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-07-2010, 10:07:08
This was mainly because the french where putting up a good fight vs the germans. Only the stuka"s prevented major losses on the german army.

Tactics where also important, but french tanks dissed out alot of damage before they where flanked
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 19-07-2010, 17:07:37
The Public demands an update!  8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-07-2010, 18:07:00
The Public demands an update!  8)
AAROOO!

(http://my-fitness-central.com/images/300.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 20-07-2010, 00:07:59
I have more or less proposed to map to the devs in the beta forums, there is nothing more i can do.
Maybe the rest of the French Hope guys can show more of the other maps?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Excavus on 20-07-2010, 07:07:44
If these maps get rejected by the FH2 team, I will burn down the dev's house who rejected it. These maps are SUPERB. Combined with awesome French assets, makes it even MORE superb.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: leGriffu on 20-07-2010, 07:07:24
hi all

Your will hear in September ...
in France right now is the summer holidays.
drinks, BBQ, outings, beach, cocktail, BBQ, outings, beach ...  :P

life is too cruel  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [ret]azreal on 20-07-2010, 09:07:09
If these maps get rejected by the FH2 team, I will burn down the dev's house who rejected it. These maps are SUPERB. Combined with awesome French assets, makes it even MORE superb.

Uhhh ok, firstly...chill out. We don't take kindly to threats. Secondly, despite what MANY people think, there is much more to level design than just making it look decent. So every time a new map comes up, please stop suggesting that it instantly be added into patch X.XX.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 20-07-2010, 14:07:12
Point is that, the devs have a shitload to do, things like these are just a maybe and just might come After the devs finish their prioritized work. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-07-2010, 15:07:49
hi all

Your will hear in September ...
in France right now is the summer holidays.
drinks, BBQ, outings, beach, cocktail, BBQ, outings, beach ...  :P

life is too cruel  ;D
and i just started working

huurah..........
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 20-07-2010, 16:07:25
So... will we see the Free French in this work?  That would be pretty much the coolest thing ever.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 20-07-2010, 17:07:26
I cant answer for that, from what i know, "french hope" only develops maps for the devs to consider, thats what i have understood
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cory the Otter on 20-07-2010, 20:07:22
So... will we see the Free French in this work?  That would be pretty much the coolest thing ever.

Would require female playermodels *wolf whistle*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 20-07-2010, 21:07:43
No it wouldn't?  Are you by chance thinking of the French Resistance?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cory the Otter on 20-07-2010, 21:07:07
god damn, a second time today!  I am not on my a-game today, am I?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Josh094 on 21-07-2010, 00:07:46
I hope this mod will be totally French-Biased when it comes to the Char B
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 21-07-2010, 02:07:56
again, this is not a "mod" its just maps for the devs to decide.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-07-2010, 12:07:36
I hope this mod will be totally French-Biased when it comes to the Char B
CRUSH petit petit panzys under Grande char his tracks!

and then get killed by stuka  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Excavus on 22-07-2010, 10:07:07
If these maps get rejected by the FH2 team, I will burn down the dev's house who rejected it. These maps are SUPERB. Combined with awesome French assets, makes it even MORE superb.

Uhhh ok, firstly...chill out. We don't take kindly to threats. Secondly, despite what MANY people think, there is much more to level design than just making it look decent. So every time a new map comes up, please stop suggesting that it instantly be added into patch X.XX.
Uhhh ok, firstly...learn to understand a joke. I was just complimenting on how these maps would be an excellent addition to the main mod, and would greatly reduce the amount of maps the devs would need to add if they ever considered adding in the French Forces. I am not suggesting every map being developed by the community should be added, but THESE maps, as they are of excellent quality, and would improve the mod's general ratings.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 22-07-2010, 18:07:20
Interesting,je mean,interresting.

That will spare FH team work.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 22-07-2010, 19:07:55
mapping the map itself, dosnt really take much time.. its the testing and fine tuning, end countless stuffs that takes time.. so how much we spare them aint really much...  :-\
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-08-2010, 16:08:08
so, now french hope modders are focussed on testing maps ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 03-08-2010, 08:08:37
Both yes and no, we are making them, making sure they are up to quality (Atleast we try ;D) and we test them to a certain point where we feel we can propose them to the devs.. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-09-2010, 01:09:35
So you guys are still developing French hope?

Thank god!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 08-09-2010, 03:09:00
Theta, i am just as impatiant to get frenchfries ingame as you are...  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Natty on 08-09-2010, 08:09:01
In order for people to more easy check your work, can you update the 1st post in this thread to always have a d/l link to the latest version of the minimod? that would be great, I am eager to check this out!
Early france is a special puppy of mine since it was the first theatre-of-war I worked on for FHT in 2006 and made many maps for it...   8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-09-2010, 12:09:05
Common guys! We wanna know some more! DO you have maybe renders to show? some finished things?

PLEASE oui beg you!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Bravo3945 on 23-09-2010, 17:09:42
This should be in FH2 itself. :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DannyNickelov on 24-09-2010, 08:09:11
Awesum!!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 24-09-2010, 09:09:37
 ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fuzz on 24-09-2010, 10:09:20
"You must be patient young Padawan"  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: :| Hi on 25-09-2010, 04:09:29
Is this how it ends?

(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/8/86/Younglings.jpg)
V
V
V
V

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/75/225144026_0175ba9ac7.jpg?v=0)

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Yustax on 26-09-2010, 17:09:03
Is this how it ends?

(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/8/86/Younglings.jpg)
V
V
V
V

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/75/225144026_0175ba9ac7.jpg?v=0)



They surrendered.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: leGriffu on 05-10-2010, 08:10:56
Hello all !  :)

We will soon have to give you fresh news about FRENCH HOPE... a little patience...

just this image to show you that FRENCH HOPE is not dead, far from it!  ;)

(http://whilemail.free.fr/sedan/sedan%20online.jpg)


see you soon

 :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 05-10-2010, 08:10:54
 :o
A good surprise :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-10-2010, 12:10:21
Hello all !  :)

We will soon have to give you fresh news about FRENCH HOPE... a little patience...

just this image to show you that FRENCH HOPE is not dead, far from it!  ;)

(http://whilemail.free.fr/sedan/sedan%20online.jpg)


see you soon

 :)
(http://www.21stcenturyabe.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/lincoln_awesome.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Nissi on 05-10-2010, 18:10:24
Let's add 1 and 1 together and...  ;D

Cool!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Josh094 on 05-10-2010, 19:10:26
Let's add 1 and 1 together and...  ;D

Cool!

Lets divide by 0! Yay, OH SHI-

(http://www.mathfail.com/divide-by-zero8.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 29-10-2010, 01:10:31


@THeTA0123 : Thank you for your kind words mate! Well, as you may have seen in the 2.26 changelog, many French stuff has been made:
Quote
* Grenade Defensive modele 37 (sethsoldier)
* Grenade Offensive modele 37 (sethsoldier)
* Pistolet Automatique modele 1935 A (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Bayonet (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Tromblon (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Apx21 (sethsoldier)
* Somua S35 (sethsoldier)
* F1 Grenade (sethsoldier)
* French Soldier (sethsoldier)
* SA34 25mm (sethsoldier)
* H39 SA18 model and skin (sethsoldier)
* B1 Bis (sethsoldier)
* Citroen 11 cv Model and Textures by HERC (toddel)
* French Army Kits (sethsoldier)




All those at the changelog??Where the hell are the models???
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 29-10-2010, 02:10:39
they have an ignore.txt on em, wich mean that they are not included in public builds before they are released
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Duke_Dutch on 29-10-2010, 10:10:22


@THeTA0123 : Thank you for your kind words mate! Well, as you may have seen in the 2.26 changelog, many French stuff has been made:
Quote
* Grenade Defensive modele 37 (sethsoldier)
* Grenade Offensive modele 37 (sethsoldier)
* Pistolet Automatique modele 1935 A (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Bayonet (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Tromblon (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Apx21 (sethsoldier)
* Somua S35 (sethsoldier)
* F1 Grenade (sethsoldier)
* French Soldier (sethsoldier)
* SA34 25mm (sethsoldier)
* H39 SA18 model and skin (sethsoldier)
* B1 Bis (sethsoldier)
* Citroen 11 cv Model and Textures by HERC (toddel)
* French Army Kits (sethsoldier)




All those at the changelog??Where the hell are the models???


The models of weapons for the mod  showed above looks wonderfull. can whe see some screenshots? Because I can't find the French hope site any more on the internet, is this mod starting to work in secret, or is there a othert terible solution......  :-[
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 29-10-2010, 11:10:10


@THeTA0123 : Thank you for your kind words mate! Well, as you may have seen in the 2.26 changelog, many French stuff has been made:
Quote
* Grenade Defensive modele 37 (sethsoldier)
* Grenade Offensive modele 37 (sethsoldier)
* Pistolet Automatique modele 1935 A (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Bayonet (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Tromblon (sethsoldier)
* Berthier modèle 1916 Apx21 (sethsoldier)
* Somua S35 (sethsoldier)
* F1 Grenade (sethsoldier)
* French Soldier (sethsoldier)
* SA34 25mm (sethsoldier)
* H39 SA18 model and skin (sethsoldier)
* B1 Bis (sethsoldier)
* Citroen 11 cv Model and Textures by HERC (toddel)
* French Army Kits (sethsoldier)




All those at the changelog??Where the hell are the models???


The models of weapons for the mod  showed above looks wonderfull. can whe see some screenshots? Because I can't find the French hope site any more on the internet, is this mod starting to work in secret, or is there a othert terible solution......  :-[

These models are not made by FrenchHope, they are made by official FH2 developers. As such, they can't be just posted on the public forums.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Desertfox on 29-10-2010, 12:10:38
Good to see this project still going on
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 11-11-2010, 18:11:14
hi guys, now i've changed my pc so i can play fh2 =P tell me if you need help to make french hope advance quicker ^^
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: leGriffu on 03-12-2010, 23:12:01
Hi all!  ;)

(http://whilemail.free.fr/french%20hope/Server%20Dynamo.jpg)

we work always on French Hope  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: evhgear on 04-12-2010, 02:12:44
Chouette, pour quand ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 04-12-2010, 03:12:54
Chouette, pour quand ?
Un m'ment donné :)
Et tu va aimer les maps c'est moi qui te le dis ^^
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 04-12-2010, 05:12:12
keep your french to your selfs ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 04-12-2010, 06:12:34
 S'accélérer et relâcher l'espoir français







Hurry up and release French Hope
 :-*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-12-2010, 08:12:07
Allez... Allez!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Hauteclocque on 04-12-2010, 11:12:21
Keep up the good work French mates ;)

(Though I sincerely hope I'll be able to release the French Forces in Project Reality first  ;D)

It seems the only thing your're missing atm is a complete set of maps. If you need any export help, 162eRI knows where to find me ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ciupita on 05-12-2010, 14:12:45
Keep up the good work French mates ;)

(Though I sincerely hope I'll be able to release the French Forces in Project Reality first  ;D)

It seems the only thing your're missing atm is a complete set of maps. If you need any export help, 162eRI knows where to find me ;)

I'm really looking forward to your French Forces faction in PR! It's my #1 on waiting list with ARF faction. I love FAMAS <3
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gezoes on 06-12-2010, 11:12:32
Very nice work guys. At least here the maps... are coming  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 06-12-2010, 12:12:00
Very nice work guys. At least here the maps... are coming  :P

So you are led to believe. ^^
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gezoes on 06-12-2010, 16:12:37
Yeah you're right, can't have people modding now can we.

Bon chance a tous.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 06-12-2010, 17:12:23
If you want to know which maps are in development for FH2, have a look at the testserver, there is a reason it isnt hidden. However, pics are only shown when the maps are done graphically. Since that is the last step of making maps... no pics so far.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 06-12-2010, 17:12:45
Gezoes, I didn't say that, I just meant that the devs aren't showing half of the things they have. ^^
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gezoes on 19-12-2010, 13:12:55
Ah sorry, didn't catch that. It read like the next pun towards modders outside the FH2 team. I hate that attittude, same goes for mocking new players. FH2 needs all the help it can get.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 19-12-2010, 13:12:43
Actually I don't know where that attitude comes from, it definitely isn't found with anyone on the team.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-12-2010, 11:12:53
(http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2009/11/X8538955/X8538955-vote7.jpg)

Please tell me that the Hotchkiss M1922 Will be in French hope?

I so wanna see all those sweet hotchkiss Machine guns ingame

Perhaps some maps feature the FM 24/29 for the LMG class? and some the Hotchkiss M1922?

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 28-12-2010, 18:12:00
J'aime :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hankypanky on 29-12-2010, 07:12:58
You guys should create a Moddb page just like NML. It would attract more people to FH2.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 29-12-2010, 09:12:10
Hotchkiss 1922 guns (which came in a variety of different models, strip-fed and mag-fed, including versions in export calibers) were very rare in the French Army of 1939-1943. At most, one could warrant a rare pick-up kit.

The FM 24/29 was in universal service as the primary infantry squad's LMG by the start of the war. Special war credits were used in the interwar period to ensure that.

The only other light machine gun to see some widespread service was the 1915 Chauchat, which remained the primary LMG of the pioneer regiments within the infantry.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-12-2010, 11:12:22
ooh thats a shame

As long as the Hotchkiss M1914 is in, im satisfied though
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-01-2011, 14:01:28
sorry for double post

Will French hope also include Armee de'l air?

With hopefully some of the many bombers?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 02-01-2011, 15:01:24
So many question  ;D
Wait and see  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 02-01-2011, 17:01:04
dont know yet, but it will feature luftwaffe ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: RAnDOOm on 02-01-2011, 18:01:19
Looking good.

Cant wait to get my hands on this. Very nice work.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-01-2011, 13:01:59
So many question  ;D
Wait and see  :P
mais je ne peux attendre!!!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 03-01-2011, 14:01:50
Yeah I understand.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: evhgear on 03-01-2011, 19:01:05
Fait chier s'est long à attendre !!     Let's hope other good news will be soon for this !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 03-01-2011, 21:01:34
Fait chier s'est long à attendre !!     Let's hope other good news will be soon for this !
J'peux au moins te dire qu'ils font du bon boulot :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 03-01-2011, 22:01:06
See there is a problem with us Greeks...


We cant speak French.



Well...Me in particular cant.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cory the Otter on 03-01-2011, 22:01:12
dis is murika! we speek merikan!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-01-2011, 22:01:03
See there is a problem with us Greeks...


We cant speak French.



Well...Me in particular cant.
google translate

i mostly use it to, my french issent good

Anyway, i hope if you lads make a trailer of French hope, i hope this song is used=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj3n02CQJiU
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-01-2011, 23:01:53
Hi guys ! Since i've got a new pc, i can now help you as modeler/mapper. just tell me what to do, what kind of tools to use, ...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cory the Otter on 06-01-2011, 02:01:37
Hi guys ! Since i've got a new pc, i can now help you as modeler/mapper. just tell me what to do, what kind of tools to use, ...

Wouldn't you prefer working with NML?  We plan on having not only French, but Turks and maybe even Russians someday.

@ French Hope Team:
(http://paradoxdgn.com/junk/avatars/trollface.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 06-01-2011, 02:01:59
@the warrior

why dont you all team up, then the chance of people play the mod raises

It would be even much better, if it would be integrated into normal FH2 which would attract more attention and more players to play  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 06-01-2011, 02:01:38
@the warrior

why dont you all team up, then the chance of people play the mod raises

It would be even much better, if it would be integrated into normal FH2 which would attract more attention and more players to play  ;)

Yeah right... a mod about WW1 and other about French in WW2... 2 different thing... so not a good idea.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cory the Otter on 06-01-2011, 02:01:43
@the warrior

why dont you all team up, then the chance of people play the mod raises

It would be even much better, if it would be integrated into normal FH2 which would attract more attention and more players to play  ;)

Yeah right... a mod about WW1 and other about French in WW2... 2 different thing... so not a good idea.

unless we exchange models like customized buildings or equipment used in both eras that a simple reskin would make appropriate. That sound okay?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 06-01-2011, 02:01:41
Very unlikely.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cory the Otter on 06-01-2011, 02:01:36
Very unlikely.

Well, helmets for example.  From wat I've seen, the M-15 Adrienne and the 1926 models don't look all that different with the exception of the Colour and the badge.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 06-01-2011, 03:01:56
Maybe, but maybe it's allready done, but I'm not a dev, just a tester, but I don't think so.


So many but. ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 06-01-2011, 03:01:24
@the warrior

why dont you all team up, then the chance of people play the mod raises

It would be even much better, if it would be integrated into normal FH2 which would attract more attention and more players to play  ;)

Yeah right... a mod about WW1 and other about French in WW2... 2 different thing... so not a good idea.


unless we exchange models like customized buildings or equipment used in both eras that a simple reskin would make appropriate. That sound okay?


sorry, this aint gonna happen :-\
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 06-01-2011, 11:01:07
But it sucks, if I want to play one of the 3 mods I need to launch each one and see if there are players online, which will be unlikely, as there are around 100 people playing online.
It would be much easier, if FH2, French Hope and No Mans Land would be in one Mod.
Also if it are 2 different scenarios, it doesn't matter. Then you 191* maps and 194* maps.
As I stated, there won't be many players online, especially because you need to extra download everything and you aren't that popular as FH. I don't want demotivate you, but I want you to suggest something.
French Hope for instance could create a Moddb-Page to increase the number of people knowing it.
The only important thing is, that the quality of content is as high as FH2's. I wouldn't like to have XWWII pacific in FH2, I would wait some years for the real FH2 pacific, because their quality isn't hiqh standard, also if so intended...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Paasky on 06-01-2011, 12:01:43
You do realize minimods can be added into mods which will in no way change the mod itself and will only be loaded on a map-per-map basis?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 06-01-2011, 13:01:55
But it sucks, if I want to play one of the 3 mods I need to launch each one and see if there are players online, which will be unlikely, as there are around 100 people playing online.
It would be much easier, if FH2, French Hope and No Mans Land would be in one Mod.
Also if it are 2 different scenarios, it doesn't matter. Then you 191* maps and 194* maps.
As I stated, there won't be many players online, especially because you need to extra download everything and you aren't that popular as FH. I don't want demotivate you, but I want you to suggest something.
French Hope for instance could create a Moddb-Page to increase the number of people knowing it.
The only important thing is, that the quality of content is as high as FH2's. I wouldn't like to have XWWII pacific in FH2, I would wait some years for the real FH2 pacific, because their quality isn't hiqh standard, also if so intended...

I think you don't understand the purpose of French Hope, they make the map, the dev approve the map, the map are included ingame and Voilà, we have french ingame. But no man lands it's not exactly the same thing, they make a mini mod. It will be a great mini mod based on a great mod. But I think their ultime goal isnt to be included in FH2 but to be a great WW1 mod.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 06-01-2011, 14:01:41
Ah, ok now thats different if you are "only" mapping and this will be included in the FH2 build  ;D

Regarding NML, nothing would stop them from being a great WW1 game if included in FH2.
Maybe if there are some vital changes to FH gameplay, which I dont know.

But now, I think all is a little bit clearer to me and we can get back to the topic.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 06-01-2011, 15:01:08
Hum, I have to clarify something, I'm not a french hope dev, only a tester for them and I don't know that much, Say them and not you ^^
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 06-01-2011, 15:01:53
Therefor i posted it in the tread  ;)

I didn't know that, because it stands nowhere as I read the first post again.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Johannes on 07-01-2011, 06:01:43

Well, helmets for example.  From wat I've seen, the M-15 Adrienne and the 1926 models don't look all that different with the exception of the Colour and the badge.

The model 1915 and 1926 Adrian helmets look quite different. The only part that is really similar is the crest on top. The 1915 type has a fat line running between the visor and the shell where it was welded together, and lacks visible rivets on the exterior due to the different internal lining system. In addition, the 1926 model is more elongated, while the 1915 was more circular.

That being said, I imagine that other than the circular shape all the details could be differentiated via the textures.

About a quarter of the troops in 1940 still wore 1915 helmets, but repainted in the olive drab color. Paradoxically, about three quarters of the Adrian 1926 helmets still used the 1915 badges painted in olive drab; the round type introduced in 1937 that you see everywhere now only became very common during the Vichy regime, which is even more ironic when one realizes the symbol "RF" no longer even made sense.

Other things to beware of:

-Proper Adrian 1926 chinstraps in 1940 used brass rivets. The aluminum riveted chinstraps you see on sale everywhere weren't introduced until Vichy.

-Until 1940, the Adrian 1926 liners were dyed black. Probably beginning in 1940, they were left in natural brown (some collectors would argue that only black liners are proper, but I have color photos of captured troops in 1940 with brown liners). Most Adrian 1926 liners on sale today are brown (not even I own a black one; one of mine is postwar, the other is undated), and most are postwar, but in 1940 almost all should be black.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-01-2011, 12:01:12
Can you french hope lads atleast give us a list of infantry weapons for French hope?

SI VOUS PLAIT???
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: donjuan on 07-01-2011, 12:01:25
Can you french hope lads atleast give us a list of infantry weapons for French hope?

SI VOUS PLAIT???
I think that FH2 devs are working on the weapons and vehicles, while the French Hope guys work on maps.
If you look at the latest FH changelog, you will see lots of french stuff, from grenades to rifles, pistols and light machineguns passing by tanks and even a "player model".
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fuchs on 07-01-2011, 13:01:28
Can you french hope lads atleast give us a list of infantry weapons for French hope?

SI VOUS PLAIT???
I think that FH2 devs are working on the weapons and vehicles, while the French Hope guys work on maps.
If you look at the latest FH changelog, you will see lots of french stuff, from grenades to rifles, pistols and light machineguns passing by tanks and even a "player model".
You can also see that all of these things are done by Seth Soldier, a Frenchman himself who just makes stuff in his spare time and adds it to the library  :P I could only dream of your theory being true.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Duke_Dutch on 20-01-2011, 15:01:47
True, I can't wait to see the results of there work. It is a pitty whe have to wait ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 14-02-2011, 15:02:00
Hi mates !! don't panic, a news will be published quickly =P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Duke_Dutch on 14-02-2011, 18:02:40
wunderbare ! ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: RAnDOOm on 14-02-2011, 19:02:21
Cant wait to see the news.  8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 14-02-2011, 19:02:33
Hi mates !! don't panic, a news will be published quickly =P
Allow me=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_WI0VI7aIw#t=0m10s
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 15-02-2011, 05:02:20
Finally ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 15-02-2011, 16:02:20
 Awesome... we are approaching 10 months since this was initially announced...


.....still waiting....


 :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fuchs on 16-02-2011, 10:02:44
Some beautiful '404 Not Found's you got there  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: :| Hi on 17-02-2011, 01:02:26
Theres one of those in my grandpas cellar  :)

It was originally my grandmas that she got while being in the french underground as a messenger.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 17-02-2011, 03:02:52
Good memory emerge from my brain :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 17-02-2011, 19:02:15
 So i believe i speak for the rest of the followers here when i say......

 MOAR.....

 Old screenshots are just teasing us....

 Between you French Hope guys and the FH2 devs playing all these mind games .....i may snap like a rubberband...............


 ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 17-02-2011, 23:02:15
The 1st one is easy to guess according to 1st page screenshots
The 2nd one reminds me of a movie with Belmondo
The 3rd one's title is self-explanatory
... But the 4th one is an enigma for me

Come on, I want that cookie !  >:(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 18-02-2011, 01:02:50
Oh oh I know!!!  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: evhgear on 18-02-2011, 01:02:33
A Sherman, an Achilles, a Churchill... it's probably the invasion of Riviera Maya in Mexico
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 18-02-2011, 09:02:45
;D Nope, you need to find the last one  :P

But well, because you find the first three ones, you can get an other screen of the unknown map:
(http://img214.imagevenue.com/loc880/th_87155_screen334_122_880lo.jpg) (http://img214.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=87155_screen334_122_880lo.jpg)
Note: WIP screen
     

Let see if others can find?
Can't see the screenshot, but googling hints that "Thunderbolt's Festung" could refer to Saint-Malo, being one of the "Festungs" and liberated by the 83rd ID "Thunderbolt".
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Oberst on 18-02-2011, 11:02:15
Do I see a retextured Sherman, Churchill and M10? Or is that just because of the lighting and perspective?
If first option is right, I am sure, if we had a closer look to them, they would look great.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 18-02-2011, 13:02:05
This is brilliant work with this French Hope angle here. I love the idea of French Hope being separate from FH main. Sort of FH having babies that go off and grow into something big ;D

BTW One of those screenshots is some kind of Napoleonic era fort, that's about all I can deduce
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Torenico on 21-02-2011, 00:02:46
I love bunkers!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 21-02-2011, 00:02:42
Hey devs just so you know...Those bunkers could also be used for the "Metaxas Line" Wink Wink Nudge Nudge wave wave.



Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-03-2011, 21:03:29
NON I THINK not!

*sapps the greeks
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 02-03-2011, 21:03:43
Maginot line? ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 02-03-2011, 22:03:22
NON I THINK not!

*sapps the greeks

SPY SAPPIN MAH GREEK BIAS
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-03-2011, 11:03:53
NON I THINK not!

*sapps the greeks

SPY SAPPIN MAH GREEK BIAS
HAHAHAHAHA
I just finished what the germans started!
 ;D

Nah i wanna see greece aswel, purely for the Mannlicher Schoenaur rifles and such
And greek "SPARTA" kits with rifles with no ammo but with bajonets attached wich you can trow like spears
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 04-03-2011, 01:03:11
 Question 1: How long has this been in development?

 Question 2: Do you have a website?

 Question 3: How many maps will be in the 1st release?



 8)

 



Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 04-03-2011, 06:03:15
Question 1: more than a year
Question 2: no
Question 3: it will depend of the Fh2 team. Don't forget it's not a mini mod, but the team make the map, they send it to FH2, Fh2 test it and then, only then we will know how many map will be release.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-03-2011, 07:03:32
Question=When can we see some weapon renders?

I WOULD say allies bias 1000 times and kill 500 churchills to see the render of the berthier carbine
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 04-03-2011, 08:03:07

I WOULD say allies bias 1000 times and kill 500 churchills to see the render of the berthier carbine
I'd love to see that ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-03-2011, 08:03:48

I WOULD say allies bias 1000 times and kill 500 churchills to see the render of the berthier carbine
I'd love to see that ;D
Its a deal?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 04-03-2011, 12:03:42
Sadly no  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-03-2011, 13:03:42
(http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/ffuu/ffuu.png)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Thorondor123 on 04-03-2011, 15:03:29
Question=When can we see some weapon renders?

When an appropriate FH2 news update arrives ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 04-03-2011, 23:03:06
Voilà.

You have to know THeTA0123, french hope don't make the weapons or vehicle, only the map ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 05-03-2011, 04:03:48
I just saw a server called French Hope with a Juin 44 map.Was the mod released??????????????????

BTW,its good those things to be on side projects.It doesn't take the FH2 team time and it gives a bigger chance for Hungary,France,etc to be ingame.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 05-03-2011, 05:03:05
Juin 44 map is a custom map, it at nothing to do with French Hope...or maybe  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Comrade Roe on 06-03-2011, 15:03:12
 And while the FH2 devs work on the Eastern front, a generous minimod team is already working on the French front :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 06-03-2011, 22:03:03
it would be nice to see other country do the same stuff.
Italy, Romania, greek etc etc.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 07-03-2011, 20:03:19
Sure ! with teams like these, it will be easy to share experience, and maybe maps !!! (italy vs france, italy vs greece, etc etc !!!)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-04-2011, 10:04:32
to those intrested

http://conflictuel.pagesperso-orange.fr/LGGtemp/1940%20FRENCH%20ARMAMENT.pdf
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 28-04-2011, 14:04:09
Give me a French player model and I am a happy, happy lad :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 28-04-2011, 16:04:10
An interesting read THeTA0123 !

Here's some titbits and I'm only ~ a fifth of the way through.

Quote
The 11th REI, the first of these units to be formed, was also the first under fire. On 11th June 1940, in the Verdun
sector, it distinguished itself during an heroic defense against a German division. It was almost completely wiped
out. The survivors fought until the armistice, when forced at last to lay down their arms, they were disbanded and
the regimental flag was burned. Of 700 Legionnaires POWs, nearly 500 escaped from Verdun. They would
reappear later in North Africa, in the backbone of the new French army until the victory.

A few stories there to say the least.


Quote
On 31 August, the dissidents (who had provisionally awarded themselves the title of 14 Half Brigade, but who
soon reverted to 13th DBLE) embarked once more in England. Their destination was Africa. After a check before
Dakar, which remained loyal to marechal Pétain, the Legionnaires sailed right around the south of Africa. Their first
operation was against the Italians in Eritrea where, on 8th April 1941, they took the port of Massawa from a garrison
of 1,400 soldiers. But it was in the Western Desert that the real glory awaited the Legionnaires of the 13th DBLE.

Sounds like a possible scenario (if it isn't already).

Quote
Chasseurs alpins (alpine infantry)


As portrayed in The Odin Mission (Jack Tanner / James Holland novel).

Quote
In June 1940, the tanks loaded
onto special railroad cars, were blocked on the wagons south of Neufchâteau since the rail-road and an other train
in front of the convoy had been destroyed by the Luftwaffe. The tanks could not be unloaded in this area and all of
them were scuttled on 15th June 1940 by explosive charges except the tank n°99 for which the charge failed to
explode. The tank n°99 was therefore captured intact by the Germans and brought back to Berlin. It was tested on
a range near Cossen. The electrotransmission of the FCM-2C interested Ferdinand Porsche for his later heavy
tanks. In 1942, it was seen in France at the Renault plant being overhauled. Brought back to Germany, the tank
was eventually captured by the USSR and was last seen in 1948 in East Germany according to several sources.
From the other wreck, several intact turrets were used on the Atlantic wall.You can find numerous German
propaganda photos claiming that these tanks have been destroyed by German tanks, the wrecks where moved all
around to take "victorious" photos, sometimes tanks had fired at point blank against them to prove that they had
been destroyed etc. but they were simply abandoned and scuttled and never saw action.

 :D ... the buggers.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-05-2011, 00:05:48
Can somebody relay this to the French hope people just incase? i think it might come in handy
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 02-05-2011, 06:05:45
Can somebody relay this to the French hope people just incase? i think it might come in handy
It's done ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-05-2011, 11:05:01
Can somebody relay this to the French hope people just incase? i think it might come in handy
It's done ;)
Thanks i hope it will help
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-05-2011, 22:05:00
Oooh yes, i got this link btw from Souroy. Souroy is one of the prime French tank fans on WOT. he provided everyone with many info off the upcoming french tanks

So credit goes to him
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 03-05-2011, 23:05:38
There are a lot of Battle of France photo's in the Bundesarchive section of Wiki Media Commons if you don't already know, keywords: "France" "1940".
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Hans Werner on 26-05-2011, 12:05:11
Any news from French Hope team ? Did this project is dead ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 26-05-2011, 15:05:33
The project was overrun. Their project leader had to move to London to continue the project.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 26-05-2011, 20:05:04
A Mappack will be internally tested after the release of the 2.4 and set to fh2 standart
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 26-05-2011, 21:05:55
A Mappack will be internally tested after the release of the 2.4 and set to fh2 standart
How many maps will be in the mappack to be tested?

 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 27-05-2011, 00:05:57
A Mappack will be internally tested after the release of the 2.4 and set to fh2 standart
How many maps will be in the mappack to be tested?

 8)
Not sure for now. But probably more than one :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: evhgear on 27-05-2011, 03:05:48
Not sure for now. But probably more than one :P

Thanks for the huge precision :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 27-05-2011, 04:05:07
Hahaha, seriously, FrH have many map in development but it's up to the Fh2 dev. We have tested 3 or 4 map with people (like me) who wasn't evolve in the development of those map. We can't say how many map, but it will be more than one :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 27-05-2011, 22:05:02
Well, be sure, it's more than one ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 27-05-2011, 23:05:46
 See this is exactly what FHs problem is.

 Is it so hard to make an announcement about what direction this is going.

 Instead we get delays, no posts, smart ass remarks and/or deleted posts.

 Why is it so hard to be honest with the community?




 There i said it......and yes im still a big fan

 ;)

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 28-05-2011, 05:05:53
It's not a matter of honesty, but the fact is, we can't predict how many map will be test and how many map is ready for beta testing when the time will come. Too many undetermined variable is the real problem. If we say we will have 8 map and for some reasons 2 or 3 are out... people will be disappointed. Frh is map made by outsider so we don't know how many map they (FH2) will want from us first and we don't know how many time it will take to test.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 28-05-2011, 07:05:34
Ok, thanks for the explanation Alakazou.


 Guess im just over excited.


 :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 28-05-2011, 10:05:43
You're welcome if you have other question don't hesitate.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 28-05-2011, 10:05:41
The imprecision could be due to the fact the development is entirely voluntary, unpaid, done in precious free time, and is subject to the vagaries of life and acts of God.

BTW, I went back to the PDF linked above. I found another interesting bit.

Quote
Note : At the end of 1939 Brandt developed also a 50mm HEAT rifle grenade. It had a range of about 100m and an
armor penetration of 40mm. It entered in production during May 1940 and was successfully tested at the Satory
test range on 10th June 1940 but they could not be issued to the combat units before the armistice. The documents
related to these works were sent to the USA in June 1940 and were used as basis to develop the M9 AT rifle
grenade and the HEAT rocket of the Bazookas.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Patchman123 on 01-06-2011, 15:06:30
(http://uppix.net/d/e/2/4ffa9f0dabe11633f7222443d9159.jpg)

Hi guys,

The bloody French froggies are proud to show you what we have been working for some months now. This French Hope project, as you can guess by the pictures and name, will depict battles of the French army, the Free French Forces and the Vichy French Forces. Be aware, those are just maps and not a faction!

(http://uppix.net/4/3/a/ea06a1f09585d486f963ca80250d8.jpg)

Today, we are growing in strengh and we felt like we had enough content to show you. With the help of some fine mappers such as Nikita, Snoox, Le Griffu, we started several maps all based on the French fights. We are trying, as much as possible, to make those maps spicy and different from what you are used to play.

(http://uppix.net/8/4/a/c3e9dd7b4ac24342ab3f69ad56f21.jpg)

We are working with FH2 stuff for now and our first goal is the map of Bir Hakeim's map. Scoub is working on the infamous Bir Hakeim "canon de 75" and others on the French helmet and "képi".

(http://uppix.net/b/9/9/7ad1864b9e8cb6e0fa0ff292b1310.jpg)

You will be able to fight in Northern France, in 1940, and try to stop the mighty Germans Panzer waves at Sedan and Stonne. You will follow the French and British Expeditionary Forces retreat at Dunkirk and save as many soldiers as you can. You can choose to fight with the Free French Forces at Bir Hakeim in Africa and save the British armies from a complete encirclement. You can also join the Vichy French Forces and defend Libanon against the Australian invaders... Or you can try to defeat us, but can you ?!

(http://uppix.net/0/1/1/820cfc5d424802d19bd5f334025fc.jpg)

Right now, you are looking at Sedan and Stonne's ingame screens. The battle of Sedan, or should we said the breakthrough at Sedan was a major defeat for the French army. At Sedan, the Meuse Line consisted of a strong defensive belt, overlooking the Meuse valley and strengthened by 103 pillboxes. The French command expected the Germans attack on such defences only when a large infantry and artillery force would have been built up. But on May 13 and 14, the Panzer Divisions of General Guderian's 19th Panzer Corps broke through French defenses around the city. It came as a complete surprise. The German forces pressed forward as rapidly as possible to prevent the French armed forces from reforming a new defensive line.

(http://uppix.net/b/5/c/f478021313a10cd2a364ab369d2fb.jpg)

The second map depicts is Stonne. In the night of May 13-14, the French urged various forces south of Sedan to counter-attack the German breakthrough, but it was already too late. Very early on May 15, the "Grossdeutschland" Infantry Regiment supported by tanks of the 10 Panzer Division assaulted the French city of Stonne, to consolidate Guderian's breakthrough at Sedan. They didn't expect to encounter the French 3rd Armored Division and 3rd Motorized Infantry Division arrived late on May 14, too late to counter-attack. The battle of Stonne has been called by the Germans the "Verdun of 1940" and was the first major tanks battle of world war two. The town switched side 17 times in 3 days!

(http://uppix.net/c/b/e/46d487f4d803cf5ef736cddb7bca6.jpg)

But to finish this project, we need the community's help. We are recruiting ! We need mostly mappers and modelers for statics. All talents are welcome.

Stay tuned for more news,
Friendly yours, the French Hope project

(http://edmondprochain.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/oui-nide-iou.jpg)
(We need you)


How the Vichy French against the Americans in North Africa?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-06-2011, 21:06:59
Well for the moment it's not our priority...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Paasky on 01-06-2011, 23:06:56
Vichy French vs Australians in Lebanon?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LHeureux on 02-06-2011, 03:06:20
Vichy French vs Australians in Lebanon?

Yes.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 02-06-2011, 04:06:44
We have many possibility, but for know IIRC, it will focus on the 1940 battle.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 03-06-2011, 20:06:48
I must say I look forward to playing French Hope, when it releases. The screenies look really nice :).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 04-06-2011, 18:06:48


How the Vichy French against the Americans in North Africa?
you had to quote all that just to say this?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 07-06-2011, 00:06:00
Actually Some 1940 maps are quite finished or in a good way too be finished. But other maps are in preparation..(you know...hum...some french guys...in the desert...fighting against rommel...any idea ?  :P )

And with that ?
(http://img66.xooimage.com/files/7/9/0/screen052-296b78a.jpg)

So don't worry. We're working on
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Paasky on 07-06-2011, 06:06:12
Btw, if you want, you can grab the Vichy French stuff I made for Lebanon which we played earlier this campaign:
http://bfewaw.com/maps/WaW23/maps/waw_23_lebanonV10_allies.rar

- French voices
- Vichy Flags on flagpoles
- Vichy icons on minimap (these need to be mirrored though)


Unfortunately the only way (that I know of) how to change the HUD-text is to alter the localization-files.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 07-06-2011, 23:06:52
Thanks, i've take a look on it it's welcomed but my not sure that we will use it. (cause i'm not the guy who is supposed to =P)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Comrade Roe on 09-06-2011, 19:06:24
Can't wait for this mod, would love to run around in a Char tank or maybe... Dang it, what was that French aircraft from WW2 they used, a fighter... Think it had 2 engines, may be wrong. And the number in the name was either 262 or 363/2, not the German Messerschmidt kind.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 10-06-2011, 11:06:32
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Arm%C3%A9e_de_l%27Air,_World_War_II
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 14-06-2011, 23:06:32
Soon an international part of French Hope development website will open, so you will be welcome !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Duke_Dutch on 16-06-2011, 15:06:35
Wonderful, good to hear. ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 16-06-2011, 23:06:21
http://frenchhope.xooit.com/index.php
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 17-06-2011, 01:06:01
alakazou, i wanted to do that !!!! too late  :( :(

 ;D everyone is welcomed to help us to develop french hope in a efficient way.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 17-06-2011, 01:06:12
alakazou, i wanted to do that !!!! too late  :( :(

 ;D everyone is welcomed to help us to develop french hope in a efficient way.
Mouahahaha I'm so evil :P

Nah, sorry I didn't know.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 17-06-2011, 02:06:03
 This is mostly in French and most of the world doesnt speak French.


Including me.......

 :(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 17-06-2011, 02:06:51
This is mostly in French and most of the world doesnt speak French.


Including me.......

 :(

Down there by the road: http://frenchhope.xooit.com/f19-FRENCH-HOPE-INTERNATIONAL.htm
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 17-06-2011, 02:06:27
 Cool but where is the English "Suggestions"+ "Discussions" boards.


 Otherwise, good job.  I cant wait.


 ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 17-06-2011, 12:06:15
Oh yeah ! I've forgotten that part of the forum!

Well...there will be a suggestion and discussion tread in a few minutes !

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 17-06-2011, 15:06:04
ok now threads are up.

just register and have fun ^^
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-06-2011, 20:06:45
Hey Fh mates...can you guess what may happen for French Hope on 4th July ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 26-06-2011, 21:06:31
update?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-06-2011, 21:06:18
nope, but more fun for you  ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 27-06-2011, 05:06:43
 It has been so long, most of the community has Forgotten French Hope...........


 So give us something good...........




 :-*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Oberst on 27-06-2011, 11:06:14
Well if they dont give us new news, we have to look for them by ourself.

And I spotted an Operation Dynamo map on the frecnh hope test server.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 27-06-2011, 17:06:44
Well oberst, you've find a clue !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 27-06-2011, 19:06:32
An open beta of some sorts with a live test of maps then
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-06-2011, 23:06:10
First, I must apologize.  :-\ (don't be sad, read to the end!)  It's 14th of July, and not 4th. It was not a typing error, but the french hope team decided to delay a little bit the "surprise", for many reasons.

But, as we made a mistake, we'll close up the "suspense" and show you this :  ;D

(http://img66.xooimage.com/files/b/9/0/pubfrenchhopesedan-2a4b7a5.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/)

(http://img66.xooimage.com/files/5/4/8/pubfrenchhopedynamo-2a4ba7e.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/)

It's a short post, but be sure that we're ready to show you on the 14th of July Sedan and Dynamo for a beta test with...YOU !!! Let's share the maps together! (we will present only sedan and dynamo, not weapons, soldiers and tanks)

join us  :

FRENCH HOPE (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/t120-First-Great-Beta-Test.htm#p918)

You will find the TS, the server, download links and other informations at this topic, but later. Just be patient...we're coming.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 28-06-2011, 23:06:12
It's a short post, but be sure that we're ready to show you on the 14th of July Sedan and Dynamo for a beta test with...YOU !!! Let's share the maps together! (we will present only sedan and dynamo, not weapons, soldiers and tanks)
There will be a LOT of placeholders! :P

But I still can't wait for it!  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 28-06-2011, 23:06:13
i want to drive the char b 1!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-06-2011, 23:06:05
We all want to drive it =P but we will test JUST the 2 maps on 14th !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 29-06-2011, 12:06:31
yay i guessed it right and spoiled the fun :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 29-06-2011, 14:06:45
 :o  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 29-06-2011, 17:06:53
Now THIS will be a Bastille Day long remembered!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 30-06-2011, 01:06:52
We all want to drive it =P but we will test JUST the 2 maps on 14th !

awe sad face so i dont get to drive teh cahr b1 or use a french rifles?  =( jumping on a map i will!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gezoes on 30-06-2011, 16:06:22
Good news! :)

I'll try to join on the 14th to give those two a whirl.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 30-06-2011, 23:06:35
We all want to drive it =P but we will test JUST the 2 maps on 14th !

awe sad face so i dont get to drive teh cahr b1 or use a french rifles?  =( jumping on a map i will!
[/quote

no, weapons, tanks, etc are made by the devs, so they will be added later, if the devs want our maps.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 01-07-2011, 00:07:37
Matilda will do fine as a Char B1 stand-in, it's as tough and just as slow :P Either that or the Grant, due to its two-turret setup. The Cruiser however would be a poor substitute for either S35 or H35/38/39, it's too fast and especially far too lightly armoured, plus for a H35/H38 its gun is simply too good. Stuart might be a closer match, but it's also too fast.

But probably there will be significant GERMAN BIAS either way since the 50mm variants of Pz3 we have in-game just missed the campaign (either missed altogether, or alternatively, 40 made it to the service but saw little to no combat).

Might be that we'll also see Bren as FM24/29, .30 cal as Hotchkiss MG, K98k as MAS36 (five-round clip, durr).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Raziel on 01-07-2011, 12:07:36
Nice! Great event. Will try to be there!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Comrade Roe on 01-07-2011, 18:07:54
Mod on July 14th which is French independence day, which is also my birthday. Gee, this mod can work as a birthday present actually. If I can get myself a new copy of BF2 D:
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 01-07-2011, 18:07:52
oh my, looks like i will have to install BF2 again!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 03-07-2011, 02:07:09
All the French Hope team is so glad to see your com's ! Have fair !! And don't forget that, if you will see french maps and weapons it will also be thanks to you !!!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-07-2011, 13:07:38
oh my, looks like i will have to install BF2 again!
Same here
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 03-07-2011, 16:07:22
French hope on the 14th, followed by French reenacting on the 17th... july is good
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-07-2011, 17:07:36
What a coincidence. Yesterday i bought a Berthier rifle, Siben patts me on the back=btw french hope gets released soon


AAAAWWW yeah

*cleans his berthier for the 14th july
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 03-07-2011, 20:07:05
* CPS also cleans his berthier for the 14th of July*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gezoes on 05-07-2011, 00:07:16
Très bon!  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: evhgear on 05-07-2011, 00:07:07
Excellent !! 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Raziel on 12-07-2011, 09:07:39
Hello guys! Don't want to break any parties but seeing that Fh2.4 is going to be released on the 15th July I suggest that you postpone the Beta Test of your great looking mod so that it gets the deserved attention + good player base. (Just my two cents here guys) Goodluck on the test launch!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 13-07-2011, 16:07:49
Hello guys! Don't want to break any parties but seeing that Fh2.4 is going to be released on the 15th July I suggest that you postpone the Beta Test of your great looking mod so that it gets the deserved attention + good player base. (Just my two cents here guys) Goodluck on the test launch!
Totally agreed! Are any French Hope devs going to comment on this?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 13-07-2011, 17:07:24
I said exactly the same thing and one of them answer me: We will do it like it supposed to be if we have more than 30 players. I personnaly don't be there because I'll work and I delete my FH2 to reinstall it saturday (Yeah, I'll miss the release)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 13-07-2011, 17:07:36
Unfortunately missing this event as I dont have 2.3 anymore.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Oberst on 13-07-2011, 20:07:29
Unfortunatly I write an exam on Friday, so I wont really be concentrated and calm enough to play.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ajs47951 on 14-07-2011, 20:07:45
today is the 14 and still no download links... ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 14-07-2011, 21:07:30
no download links and no info, it's sad...  :-\
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ajs47951 on 14-07-2011, 23:07:13
no download links and no info, it's sad...  :-\
yes so sad was look up to play this all week :'(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LuckyOne on 14-07-2011, 23:07:55
Maybe they took the advice and moved it? I kinda forgot about this... (being all hyped up for the next update!)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 14-07-2011, 23:07:34
I think they postpone it because they update their server.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 15-07-2011, 13:07:47
In ym opinion testing is not interesting without the needed equipment
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 15-07-2011, 14:07:55
There were no download links due to 2.4 and,also, some problems occured.
  :-[
We'll try tro bring our maps quickly after the release of 2.4.

We hope you understand the situation.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: siben on 16-07-2011, 01:07:46
I am sure most of us do, now go test and make sure it works with 2.4 so we can enjoy it too. I hope you don't get to many new bugs because of this!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-07-2011, 20:07:58
Ahum gentlemen?

Whats the status?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 20-07-2011, 22:07:24
i want to drive the char B1 and other french tanks lets go chop chop!  jk... or am i?   lol looking forward to this very much!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 20-07-2011, 23:07:55
Hi mates.

The status is that devs are working on it (i can't say more, they will make a news at the right time). On our side we're making the most maps possible (2 nearly finished and 4 in work) to find out the best maps for the french army in FH2.

We're not dead. Don't worry about that. French Hope is not dead.

In a few days the devs and us will start to work together.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gl@mRock on 21-07-2011, 07:07:44
Good news!

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 22-07-2011, 14:07:56
Glad to hear, that the cooperation with the Devs is coming soon. I can't wait to see all the new stuff. I like it, how FH2 is getting bigger and bigger.  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 22-07-2011, 23:07:56
awesome now we need a Japanese hope!  lol
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 23-07-2011, 00:07:52
and what about Russian Hope?  ???

[/trollin]
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-07-2011, 11:07:46
I rather have swiss and swedish hope

(no really, an alternate reality where Nutzi germany invades Switzerland and Sweden
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 23-07-2011, 11:07:31
We already have a Greek Manlicher so i have hope for Greek Hope....
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 23-07-2011, 13:07:45
No Space for Hope, only in France.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-07-2011, 16:07:28
We already have a Greek Manlicher so i have hope for Greek Hope....
You forget that we also have italians
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 23-07-2011, 18:07:26
We already have a Greek Manlicher so i have hope for Greek Hope....

you never give up do ya?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 23-07-2011, 19:07:45
Nope, ever. I am Greek after all, we are known as the most stubborn nation to exist.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: McCloskey on 23-07-2011, 21:07:18
Greeks fought in the war?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 23-07-2011, 22:07:28
Yes. And some of them die too.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 24-07-2011, 02:07:26
Greeks won the first battles for the allies against the axis on land in WW2. We kicked the Italians over 20km inside the borders of Albania and inflicted to them massive casualties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Italian_War

Plus against the Germans, we killed over 10.000 para's dropped on Crete , further halting any use of the element from Jerry...


Sorry for hijacking the thread
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: G.Drew on 24-07-2011, 03:07:38
I took it as trolling, but fair enough.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Wulfburk on 24-07-2011, 06:07:15
Brazilian Hope? ...


but anyway, looking forward to this!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-07-2011, 07:07:13
All nations who fought in WWII deserve to have his ".... Hope"


It's up to you to do that !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 24-07-2011, 11:07:30
  Were approaching 1 1/2 years since this was announced and they are still working on 2 maps.

 At this point, i just "Hope" this sees the light of day.



 :-*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Oberst on 24-07-2011, 13:07:09
  Were approaching 1 1/2 years since this was announced and they are still working on 2 maps.

 At this point, i just "Hope" this sees the light of day.



 :-*

Isnt that similar with the "regular/vanilla" FH-Maps? Wasnt said by some of the mappers that making a good and balanced map takes more than a year including testing? Making a good looking map is said to be easy, but making a balanced and playable map takes a lot if time. I am not hoping, I am sure this will see the light of day.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 24-07-2011, 13:07:04
What I have seen of French Hope, it looks good.  8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 24-07-2011, 13:07:18
It's really good to hear that but I am dissapointed that there won't by any public testing, right?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 24-07-2011, 13:07:28
it might be a good thing to continue the public testing of some maps to get raw feelings.
However, this would be done without the final content(equipements ...)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 24-07-2011, 18:07:51
  Were approaching 1 1/2 years since this was announced and they are still working on 2 maps.

 At this point, i just "Hope" this sees the light of day.



 :-*

They have worked on more than one map.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 24-07-2011, 21:07:10
  Were approaching 1 1/2 years since this was announced and they are still working on 2 maps.

 At this point, i just "Hope" this sees the light of day.



 :-*

They have worked on more than one map.

 Read my post again.

According to CptdeS35, "2" maps are nearly finished.

Hi mates.

The status is that devs are working on it (i can't say more, they will make a news at the right time). On our side we're making the most maps possible (2 nearly finished and 4 in work) to find out the best maps for the french army in FH2.

We're not dead. Don't worry about that. French Hope is not dead.

In a few days the devs and us will start to work together.

 Anyways, i Hope they do release it and it is really good.


 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-07-2011, 00:07:47
2 maps are nearly finished, 4 are WIP and 3 are waiting a mapper to be continued. Do you want to help us ?  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 25-07-2011, 00:07:11
I am learnig basics of mapping now, is this enough?  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Nissi on 25-07-2011, 21:07:24
I am learnig basics of mapping now, is this enough?  :P

Knowing that you don't ask seriously I still like to answer that for you - from a perspective of a guy with not too much experience (  ;D ) either.

Honestly to add some statics you don't need much knowledge. To get a nice mixture and doing the artwork job, you probably need quite some time.
If you need help with getting started, just come along in IRC. There are - if you put yourself enough effort in your learning progress - some people that will give you surely a hand. Sometimes you will feel that you can't do it - for other it is just a simple task. I still have this feeling quite often - even after a few months of learning.  :)

To get back on topic: looking forward to the next steps, whatever they might be. I hope the quality meets the expectations and it leads to releasable work.  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Natty on 26-07-2011, 17:07:20
9 maps might be overdoing it, dont you think?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 26-07-2011, 19:07:25
9 maps might be overdoing it, dont you think?

absolutely
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-07-2011, 21:07:08
Who says that french hope wanted to have 9 maps in FH2 ? I don't.

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 27-07-2011, 15:07:51
9 maps might be overdoing it, dont you think?
Is 9 maps spread over 2 fronts too much? No, if they are equal in quality to current FH2 maps (the gameplay is thoroughly tested, there is "art direction" to give each map an unique "look and feel", the environments feel "lived in" instead of wargame terrain, and the attention to detail is higher than in most fanmaps). Especially since Bir Hakeim still did not make a spectacular comeback in 2.4 Gazala. :P

And, it would be a shame if the French playermodel and all those vehicles and weapons in the FH2 changelog would be wasted. ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Malsa on 27-07-2011, 15:07:13
You're just discussing an arbitrary number here guys  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-07-2011, 23:07:20
What the hell the quantity, we're just looking for the quality   ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 02-08-2011, 06:08:43
What the hell the quantity, we're just looking for the quality   ;)

We're just looking for something..........


 :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 08-08-2011, 00:08:16
Cooperation has started
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-08-2011, 21:08:39
Cooperation has started
Very good!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 09-08-2011, 00:08:36
Devs have started to take a look at the maps, we'll try to make a beta test if they agreed.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 12-08-2011, 14:08:17
AMAZING!

looks like a good gameplay  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ajs47951 on 13-08-2011, 04:08:24
That map looks fucking NICE :o


and here is the battle plan you need to use  :D
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2hchi69.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 13-08-2011, 13:08:38
First, Germans started at north east, historically accurate.
Second, Maus...in 1940...
And i dislike the idea to forget 100 000 french deads in 1940.

btw, this map is really nice to play with an amazing and unique gameplay
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 13-08-2011, 14:08:04
Looks very nice! I find the yellow in the center a bit out of place though. Compared to the rest of the (very nice) minimap, it looks so "handpainted terrain"-ish :p.

How big is this map? 2x2km?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LHeureux on 13-08-2011, 16:08:16
Looks very nice! I find the yellow in the center a bit out of place though. Compared to the rest of the (very nice) minimap, it looks so "handpainted terrain"-ish :p.

How big is this map? 2x2km?
Looks like it is, with out-bound borders of course.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-08-2011, 17:08:21
First, Germans started at north east, historically accurate.
Second, Maus...in 1940...
And i dislike the idea to forget 100 000 french deads in 1940.

btw, this map is really nice to play with an amazing and unique gameplay
He was just joking mon ami  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 13-08-2011, 18:08:52
If we can't have Maus, could we have Neubaufahrzeug then? ;D The yellow I guess is one of the field types that turns like a crayon painting when zoomed out far enough. If memory serves me right (which it rarely does), other Normandy maps have the same "feature". But looks wickedly good all the same. 8)

As for throwing fuel to the fire, let's go and see what Wikipedia has to say about Battle of Sedan:
"On 12 May, Sedan was captured without resistance."
"There was a rumour that German tanks were approaching the town of Bulson. The false reports spread and the French 55th Infantry Division dissolved into a mass of personnel who deserted their positions. By the 14 May the division had ceased to exist."
trolololololololololololo
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 13-08-2011, 19:08:17
First, Germans started at north east, historically accurate.
Second, Maus...in 1940...
And i dislike the idea to forget 100 000 french deads in 1940.

btw, this map is really nice to play with an amazing and unique gameplay
He was just joking mon ami  ;D

Trolling in this case
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Viktor2a5 on 13-08-2011, 20:08:59
If we can't have Maus, could we have Neubaufahrzeugthen? ;D The yellow I guess is one of the field types that turns like a crayon painting when zoomed out far enough. If memory serves me right (which it rarely does), other Normandy maps have the same "feature". But looks wickedly good all the same. 8)

AFAIK it was only deployed in Norway for propoganda
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 14-08-2011, 00:08:14
If we can't have Maus, could we have Neubaufahrzeug then? ;D The yellow I guess is one of the field types that turns like a crayon painting when zoomed out far enough. If memory serves me right (which it rarely does), other Normandy maps have the same "feature". But looks wickedly good all the same. 8)

As for throwing fuel to the fire, let's go and see what Wikipedia has to say about Battle of Sedan:
"On 12 May, Sedan was captured without resistance."
"There was a rumour that German tanks were approaching the town of Bulson. The false reports spread and the French 55th Infantry Division dissolved into a mass of personnel who deserted their positions. By the 14 May the division had ceased to exist."
trolololololololololololo

False. btw we should stop the spam.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ajs47951 on 14-08-2011, 02:08:06
If we can't have Maus, could we have Neubaufahrzeug then? ;D The yellow I guess is one of the field types that turns like a crayon painting when zoomed out far enough. If memory serves me right (which it rarely does), other Normandy maps have the same "feature". But looks wickedly good all the same. 8)

As for throwing fuel to the fire, let's go and see what Wikipedia has to say about Battle of Sedan:
"On 12 May, Sedan was captured without resistance."
"There was a rumour that German tanks were approaching the town of Bulson. The false reports spread and the French 55th Infantry Division dissolved into a mass of personnel who deserted their positions. By the 14 May the division had ceased to exist."
trolololololololololololo

False. btw we should stop the spam.
sorry for derailing this.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
back on topic
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 14-08-2011, 02:08:14
hey guys, this map is really nice.. might need a fuckton a work, but its still nice!   :)

now play nice!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 14-08-2011, 03:08:49
 You guys have been busy huh.................

 Looks very detailed.


 Can you beta test just 1 map for the whole community or will it be private?



GJ fellas.
 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Raziel on 17-08-2011, 08:08:05
Great looking map you have here! Looking forward for the release!  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: General_Henry on 28-08-2011, 20:08:12
why would you need bridges when you could swim.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 29-08-2011, 00:08:00
Swimming with a B1bis is not really easy, you know
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-09-2011, 19:09:38
We're sad to say that devs are not really interested in our maps/projects of maps.

They seem to be to "large", but a betatest (with stonne, sedan, dynamo) with 64 players was not done and is not in the way to be.

So Stonne, Sedan, Dynamo, Bir Hakeim, The Phoney War, Pont de l'Arche, Abbeville pocket...are going to the trash.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Wilhelm on 05-09-2011, 19:09:48
We're sad to say that devs are not really interested in our maps/projects of maps.

They seem to be to "large", but a betatest (with stonne, sedan, dynamo) with 64 players was not done and is not in the way to be.

So Stonne, Sedan, Dynamo, Bir Hakeim, The Phoney War, Pont de l'Arche, Abbeville pocket...are going to the trash.

Yes, they were too large, but to throw them in the "trash" is kind of drastic. They could be modified and made smaller.  I personally have only seen Sedan, Stonne, and Dynamo.  I really would like to see what Bir Hakeim looks like.

 :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-09-2011, 19:09:15
Bir Hakeim is WIP. it's 2048*2048, to let the italians attack frenchies.
So they are many flag in a hankerchief and huge minefields.

The town in sedan is not 3 times brest.
Dynamo is the kind of gameplay of lebisey.
Stonne was made alone by Snoox, so i can't say anything about the map.
Our maps are great yes, but not huge. We've tested with !@! and ubf Dynamo and Sedan with 25 players, it worked perfectly.

So...we'll not give up. But we're not in a good mood...
It's really impossible to restart a map.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Wilhelm on 05-09-2011, 19:09:53
I thought the maps were nicely detailed and all of that, but they are too big for public play with 32 vs. 32.  If the teams were organized then the maps may play fine, but in public play the players would be spread out far too much.

I would really like to at least see a minimap of Bir Hakeim (personally). The size probably would not affect that map so much since you are fighting over a specific and centralized area (I assume).

And I didn't mean that the maps had to be redone from scratch, but altered/tweaked.  I don't know what the devs said on this matter, but some maps may be able to work with some modifications.  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Nilsson on 05-09-2011, 19:09:38
Isn't it possible to adjust the active parts of the maps, so they feel smaller for the FH devs? Perhaps changing flag layouts, and attack routes?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-09-2011, 20:09:18
Well bir Hakeim is also too big, and have too many flag to be in a FH2 release

WIP Map has been sent by mp

nilson, There is already push "roads" in nearly all our maps
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Lightning on 05-09-2011, 20:09:30
The town in sedan is not 3 times brest.

Go to mods/fh2/levels/battle_of_brest and open server.zip.
Now open Heightdata.con.
Confirm that it is a 1025 map, scale 2 (4km²):

heightmap.setSize 1025 1025
heightmap.setScale 2/0.0025/2

Go to mods/fh2/levels/breakthrough_sedan and open server.zip.
Now open Heightdata.con.
Confirm that it is a 1025 map, scale 2 (4km²):

heightmap.setSize 1025 1025
heightmap.setScale 2/0.0025/2

Now, for both maps, open client.zip and open in hud/minimap/ingameMap.dds.

Put em next to each other in photoshop and what you get is:

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4782/minimapbrest.jpg)

(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/957/minimapsedan.jpg)

(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8731/minimapsedanbrest.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LuckyOne on 05-09-2011, 20:09:44
Well Brest is too small anyway IMHO... It always feels like a tunnel shooter to me... There are only a couple of paths to take and not much options when engaging the enemy... And the last German flag is ALWAYS a nadefest.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: McCloskey on 05-09-2011, 21:09:25
wtf man, that minimap looks awesome, dontcha dare to put that map into trash! plus we might get 64+ players in the future and then there will be a need for bigger maps ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: :| Hi on 05-09-2011, 22:09:50
That looks like a really cool map
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-09-2011, 22:09:15
ok lightning, u're right ^^" i apologize,

But brest is not the same gameplay than sedan ! Sedan is an huge movement of troops, brest is a deadly house to house fight...Sedan is a melt of tanks, infantry and planes, Brest is infantry (supported by tanks)
There is a difference between the blitzkrieg and the liberation.

Also distances are calculated by :
Geographic point of view
Liberty of movement
Importance of the Squad Leader and teamplay
historical facts

btw, we should compare sedan and some african maps...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 05-09-2011, 23:09:50
Too big? HAH.

Meuse River, for example, has (based on the minimap and historical scenario) a similar setup to Sedan. It is too goddamn small: unless you spawn back at the main, you have little else to do but spawn-die-spawn-die-spawn. And if you head out of the main, you will notice that there's very little room to actually manuever your tank, you are channeled into a narrow tube and into chokepoints anyway. Not to mention that the small size means that whatever height differences you have become just a bit too abrupt and almost cartoon-like. So a map with a town in the middle and mixed arms combat, but four times the area (double the edge length)? YES PLEASE.

Also, using Brest as a comparison is not really valid, because it breaks down too easily into a stalemate of tanks and machineguns - bigger size would mean more flanking options and more chaotic "cityfight" feel. Right now, the city on that Sedan map itself looks like a fantastic 32/16p version, while the full map would be the 64p version. Also, with a clever use of pushmode I do not think that the map is too big, at least there would be a sense of advancing somewhere. Plus there would be room for proper tank tactics instead of charging straight up into the thick of defenses.

Seeing all that work going to waste because the maps are "too big" is just plain silly. (Also, if they have never been tested with 64 players (only with ~20-30 people), how can you say they are "too big"...?) I'll bet that a careful use of push, OOB and flags will guide the gameplay enough to guarantee enough action. Unless, of course, one expects every FH2 map play like Counter-Tunis or Call of Brest or Ramelle of Honor (which IMO are not very good yardsticks when it comes down to what the FH2 is really about). Right now, what with the comments about "too big" and the stated intention to make every battle 35 minutes long, I feel that FH2 is being taken to a direction too much COD-like for its own good, and that FH2 public players are underestimated. Could the teamwork be better? Sure. But squeezing down every map to a minimum size and channeling every player into a narrow "ghost train"? I don't think this is the solution. (Much as I didn't think taking out the Bir Hakeim flag from Gazala was a solution in the first place, considering how even the Blockhouse on Sidi Rezegh could be made attractive...)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 05-09-2011, 23:09:25
Of course not every map should be like tunis, but maps also shouldn't be bigger and more spread out than Bastogne, otherwise there is nothing going on at all.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 05-09-2011, 23:09:42
Even Bastogne's OOB feels too restrictive IMO. It could use with some extra space for manoeuvering with tanks (and also with infantry, what with the narrow tube that squeezes the Germans onto the first two flags). Also, if infantry players have the patience to take a vehicle they can get into the thick of it very quickly - I have never had a problem finding action on Bastogne. I'm still confident that with unrecappable flags and some OOB the map would play well enough on 64 players. Not even current 64 player maps play very well on 30 players!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 05-09-2011, 23:09:09
So you're confident of that by looking at an empty minimap? I have these maps and ran around on them and all I thought was "lol two whole teams could run past each pther here without ever seeing each other." They are very impressive graphically and certainly made with enthusiasm but just not very well designed.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LuckyOne on 05-09-2011, 23:09:34
I have these maps and ran around on them and all I thought was "lol two whole teams could run past each pther here without ever seeing each other."

I somehow believe things like that happened on more than a few occasions IRL... It would make scouting more important IMO, and squad leaders could plan their moves and maneuvers instead of always having to choose between the same 3 paths...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 06-09-2011, 00:09:02
I have these maps and ran around on them and all I thought was "lol two whole teams could run past each pther here without ever seeing each other."

I somehow believe things like that happened on more than a few occasions IRL... It would make scouting more important IMO, and squad leaders could plan their moves and maneuvers instead of always having to choose between the same 3 paths...

Well we all have our childhood believes, but the devs' knowledge about how decent maps work made them turn down the french Hope ones.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Smiles on 06-09-2011, 01:09:39
So, whats going to happen with the models?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 06-09-2011, 02:09:27
I wasnt aware they were outright rejected, I thought perhaps they could work with enlarged OOB areas. But I also thought when I tested them that they were too large and action would be too spread out. But if they work as you say, then why not have a public playtest with 64 players that are not organized, that will spread out? If it works maybe the devs will reconsider.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 06-09-2011, 07:09:40
All the French Hope Devs Want a beta test. We're ready (maps are uploaded).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: kettcar on 06-09-2011, 12:09:23
you should know, that the publicForum is not the right place to discuss stuff like that.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 06-09-2011, 14:09:07
I think, the comparison of Brest with one of these maps is a bit senseless, since the intention of the mappers seem to be very different. Brest is a real CQ map and Sedan seems to be more a huge map with a mix of CQ in the middle of it and some space for tank combat around the city. It is not a bad design and I would like to see and test these maps. I like maps with alot of space for tactical movements - it is simply Battlefield. If I want tinny maps with inf only and channel design I can play BC2 or CoD. Maps like Tunis, Brest or Ramelle are very special ones, but I think they should not be the standard. And to say that Bastogne is too big is nonsense. No map in FH2 is too big. It offers alot of possibilities. You can have fun with around 6 people on maps like Gazala or Cobra. You have something that I sometimes miss on maps like Brest and it is called freedom.

Btw: I mostly feel, that Brest is too small for good gameplay and I think alot of players see it this way. It is always a rape against the last german flag with no alternatives to make a move - it is simply spawn, die, spawn, die ...

On a final note: I really support a public beta test to see how it works with 64 players ore some less. At the end it is ofcourse the final desicion of the devs, but I think to make this beta test as a kind of feedback couln't hurt. And new stuff is always good to attract new players. In wich game can you play with all this french stuff? In no game (BF42 mods excluded). ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 06-09-2011, 17:09:13
I've to apologize for the outbreak, i was a little bit exceeded and i wanted to see the comments of some of you.

New arguments had appeared. It's really nice.

Hopefully, our maps are big, (maybe too big), not too small.

We're able to find a compromise, a very good mutual agriment. It will pleased Devs, French Hope staff and players of the community. We've to learn from each other

Sorry again, let's talk !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: evhgear on 06-09-2011, 20:09:47
    I liked Bf1942 because the battles are on a BIG map. If I want to play CQB, I will go play Call of Dicks, not FH2. Ramelle and Brest are beautifull, but are too smalls, grenade festival, SL camper spawnpoint, and the thing that I hate the most: one team always get streamrolled(no possibility of an interresting battle). We need maps where Infantry and Tanks have a lot of space to maneuver, plus supported by planes. We need big maps for this. Some CQB can be nice(Giarabub, Fall of Tobruk), but FH2(and Bf1942, Bf2) is supposed to be played with Infantry + tanks + planes.

   I totally support the idea to try thoses map on a public server, since FH2 is mostly played on public servers, AFTER that, we will see if thoses maps are too big.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Beaufort on 06-09-2011, 22:09:33
I have these maps and ran around on them and all I thought was "lol two whole teams could run past each pther here without ever seeing each other."

I've only played Dynamo with push but it didn't seemed too big at all. It was kind of like Siege of Tobruk with lots of planes... Of course counterattacks are harder because the map is bigger but it fits with the defence of Dunkirk situation so it is fine. I see how 4km maps can be too big, but big 2km maps are good, especially with the 128 players servers coming up. Anyway, with the push I hardly see two 32p teams run past each other like you said...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 11-09-2011, 17:09:31
im confused. Did the devs reject everything? IF they did then whats going to happen? I hope all the models dont go to waste.. im loking foward to driving a charB1!  You probably can bring them to WAW to try them out. we are always looking for maps!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 11-09-2011, 18:09:00
 Due to the long development of French Hope,

Vaporware Inc. has acquired the rights with a tenative release date of never......



j/k
:P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [WaW]TC|Avrojet on 11-09-2011, 19:09:45
World at War is always interested in new maps, especially large once with spread out flags. Seems like that's what you're going for.

We could try and arrange a betatest on some of these maps with our members and run some organized scrims on it.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 12-09-2011, 08:09:10
im confused. Did the devs reject everything? IF they did then whats going to happen? I hope all the models dont go to waste.. im loking foward to driving a charB1!  You probably can bring them to WAW to try them out. we are always looking for maps!

I wonder where this rumour came from. As far as I know the devs did not 'reject' everything. It was just stated that the maps weren't up to par yet and that the work needed to bring them there still has to be done.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 14-09-2011, 11:09:49
to the ones that say "stonne is to big" that is PURE bullshit. then you dont know at ALL how the map works. neither have ANYONE IN THE INTERNAL asked. now stfu about that.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Biiviz on 14-09-2011, 14:09:25
The reason this should be kept internal is to avoid stupid discussions... like this one.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 16-09-2011, 20:09:39
Right. We're still working on our maps for the devs.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 21-09-2011, 04:09:49
So,how things are going?Any new material?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 15-10-2011, 23:10:13
(http://img69.xooimage.com/files/a/b/b/pubready-2dbdb48.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com)
(http://img73.xooimage.com/files/a/9/a/screen-2dbdb84.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com)


Download link will come before Monday.

Map list :

CUSTOMS MAPS

mapList.append la_varde gpm_cq_32
mapList.append breakthrough_sedan gpm_cq_64
mapList.append operation_dynamo gpm_cq_64


STOCK MAPS

mapList.append gazala gpm_cq_16
mapList.append operation_hyacinth gpm_cq_32
mapList.append pointe_du_hoc gpm_cq_32
mapList.append bastogne gpm_cq_64
mapList.append mareth_line gpm_cq_64
mapList.append st_lo_breakthrough gpm_cq_64
mapList.append eppeldorf gpm_cq_64
mapList.append operation_goodwood gpm_cq_64
mapList.append sidi_rezegh gpm_cq_64
mapList.append hurtgen_forest gpm_cq_64
mapList.append anctoville_1944 gpm_cq_64
mapList.append gazala gpm_cq_64
mapList.append meuse river gpm_cq_64
mapList.append alam_halfa gpm_cq_64
mapList.append vossenack gpm_cq_64
mapList.append operation_totalize gpm_cq_64
mapList.append supercharge gpm_cq_64
mapList.append villers_bocage gpm_cq_64
mapList.append crete_1941 gpm_cq_64
mapList.append operation_cobra gpm_cq_64
mapList.append el_alamein gpm_cq_64
mapList.append lebisey gpm_cq_64
mapList.append mersa_matruh gpm_cq_64
mapList.append pointe_du_hoc gpm_cq_64
mapList.append mount_olympus gpm_cq_64
mapList.append port_en_bessin gpm_cq_64
mapList.append siege_of_tobruk gpm_cq_64
mapList.append battle_of_brest gpm_cq_64
mapList.append operation_aberdeen gpm_cq_64
mapList.append ramelle gpm_cq_64
mapList.append giarabub gpm_cq_64
mapList.append purple_heart_lane gpm_cq_64
mapList.append fall_of_tobruk gpm_cq_64
mapList.append bardia gpm_cq_64
mapList.append tunis_1943 gpm_cq_64
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 16-10-2011, 02:10:31
I'll try to be there!!!  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LHeureux on 16-10-2011, 06:10:15
Holy shit! Yes!  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 16-10-2011, 08:10:37
Download link will be quickly ready, unfortunatly there was a last rectif to do in la varde.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: ajappat on 16-10-2011, 09:10:49
Oh you bastards chose the only fucking week I'm not going to be able to play FH2  >:(.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: RAnDOOm on 16-10-2011, 14:10:15
Very nice event.

I shall be there.   ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 16-10-2011, 19:10:57
At first, I was like "I CAME WITH THE FORCE OF A THOUSAND SUNS"

Then I was like, "Of all Tuesdays I can't play on this Tuesday, and Saturday is also problematic" :'(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 16-10-2011, 21:10:49
damn, it will be very hard for me to find some time on Tuesday and I won't have any time on Saturday for sure  :-\

I hope there will be another occasion to play those maps...  :'(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 16-10-2011, 22:10:55
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TZNB7R9T

We'll try to put the maps maybe sunday too
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 17-10-2011, 02:10:06
My 2 cents after checking all three maps:
- La Varde looks very promissing. When all statics will reach FH2 standards map would be great after few corrections (at this stage it reminds me FHSW visual substandard in comparison to FH 0.7) I really like fortress in the ruins ;)
- Dynamo would be great as it has very original layout (I like "RAF reinforcements" spawnning in air idea) Area of ​​operations needs to be smaller and maybe limited somehow in few places (mainfield or something). It is too big now and with such ammount of armor and airforce is too big even for 128players :P
- Sedan - I don't like it at all, maybe it is in very WIP stage, but obviously this one is too big what make it looks boring and very little detailed and I don't even see how it could be changed.


EDIT: I lol'd at shooting copulating ducks in pond on La Varde :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 17-10-2011, 07:10:57
No Mumble?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 17-10-2011, 07:10:32
For information, Sedan is still wip. details on the ground (etc etc) are not put. Also we're trying to change the gameplay. By the way, we want to see how go the action on each map

No just TeamSpeak 3
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 17-10-2011, 10:10:08
Which other maps are worked on now and which are planned? Will we see some other public events/test the in the future?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Beaufort on 17-10-2011, 12:10:11
La Varde and Sedan need new buildings (Sedan much more) but the design is cool on both.

Operation Dynamo = best FH2 map ever.

I don't see how this is too big since it has only three flags at a time (SoT much ?) and tons of planes which obviously need plenty of space.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 17-10-2011, 13:10:06
We're working on some many maps (bir hakeim and monthermé for me)

I don"t know if there will be other events, just be there and we will see !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Knitschi on 17-10-2011, 13:10:38
Count on me guys. Is this worth an official news-item?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 17-10-2011, 14:10:22
La Varde and Sedan need new buildings (Sedan much more) but the design is cool on both.

Operation Dynamo = best FH2 map ever.

I don't see how this is too big since it has only three flags at a time (SoT much ?) and tons of planes which obviously need plenty of space.
It is too big because there are no terrain forms forcing people to choose one route or another. There are no natural bottlenecks no place to form a front line with so few players. Too much space for flanking makes it too hard to defend. Push system is not enough - would be nic to see such big map or even bigger (I hope to see such on eastern front) but it needs to be better designed. This kind of map with such amount of vehicles would be awesome but with about 200-300 players minimum. Also view distance should be limited - map looks odd from air. Not SoT at all but still good map.

Looking forward to final versions  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Beaufort on 17-10-2011, 14:10:01
It is too big because there are no terrain forms forcing people to choose one route or another. There are no natural bottlenecks no place to form a front line with so few players. Too much space for flanking makes it too hard to defend.

... in your opinion ;). I find it a very nice change, although I also like straight forward maps such as Hurtgen...

Push system is not enough - would be nic to see such big map or even bigger (I hope to see such on eastern front) but it needs to be better designed. This kind of map with such amount of vehicles would be awesome but with about 200-300 players minimum.

Do you mean bigger maps than OD would need 200-300 players or OD itself ? Sure, I admit for 64 you would have to close a road or even make some flags impossible to recap as in PHL, but 128 is really enough for this layout.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LHeureux on 17-10-2011, 17:10:13
Dynamo is really nice, once the lightmaps will be applied it should be really good. The industrial parts feel empty however, the mansion part aswell, not enough statics around like boxes, crates, etc, need more statics.

The country side of it is awesome :P

The view distance is cool but it looks weird from the sky, you should reduce it a bit to have a ball of view (you don't see the edge) and not an advancing line of view.


La varde is strange, many static bugs (walls flotting over the ground) and really weird textures near the bunkers, ugly textures. And you should get rid off all that crap like ugly camo on the bunkers, all those drawings inside the bunkers aswell make it REALLY "fanmade" and not professional at all. Also many cannons could be statics instead of usable, like the big LEFHs in the bunkers.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 17-10-2011, 19:10:07
So at what time tomorrow will be these maps on the server?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: RAnDOOm on 17-10-2011, 19:10:38
I guess they are lacking severely in the public relations skills...

They have a 126 server available all week but with no publicity its not gonna get full... or even half full... 50€ to the trash.

Are there any admins available on the server at least ?!

A small advice, start with smaller maps until you get a few more players on the server then change it to the big maps.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 17-10-2011, 19:10:41
Pity that such event hasn't been advertised on the main site... I wonder how many people will appear tomorrow... I bet that not everybody read modding topics...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 17-10-2011, 20:10:29
Nah... Anyway, I'll try to be there!!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 17-10-2011, 20:10:01
I will be there for sure. I took a rough look at the maps and besides the things, that need some more artisitc tweeking, it is nice to see some quiet big maps with loads of vehicles for more tactical movements and flanking. FH2 needs more maps of these kind IMO and not only bottleneck designs. I am quiet excited how these maps will work. See you on the Battlefield. ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 17-10-2011, 22:10:51
Ok, as I will pop up tomorrow only for a moment I have tested maps once again and looked for the detalis. Still, Sedan is not thrilling. But I changed my mind about Dynamo after about 2h of driving around the map. The flat area makes this map look much bigger than it really is but it's awesome.

Thing that annoys me on this one is lack of some artistic feel when you look on villages, farms and german mainbase, maybe it is because it is WIP, but it can discourage some ppl and make bad first impression on a PUBLIC test. It need to be limited on edges - you can now drive out of the map! :P

who is the mapper?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 17-10-2011, 23:10:11
My first singleplayer sandbox impressions:

Dynamo
Fantastic air map. Although entering an aircraft (either RAF or Luftwaffe) causes the map to go off-centre (see screenshot). Dying or leaving the plane fixes this, and it does not affect the minimap, only the "full" map.
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9103/screen011s.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/screen011s.jpg/)
Also, the westernmost (and to a lesser extent, the easternmost) flags are a bit too close to the map edge. Although there is room to manoeuver, they could have perhaps been placed a bit more closer to the center to allow flanking from the edge size as well instead of only center, and to allow the positions to support each other (or, the attackers to launch further attacks from).

La Varde
Love the propaganda posters and comics in the German bunkers.
Lovely terrain, perfect for ambushes.
Maybe add a second FFI spawn in H4-ish for overland assault.
Maybe add a German spawn north of Observatory (to make it easier to get the Wespe and man the coastal defences).
US tank spawn is cramped to say the least... gonna be a NY rush hour here every time the map starts.

Sedan
Mmmmmmkay.... so German vehicles can only cross via the bridge they have to build? I have a bad feeling about this... "Crossing zone" - are we supposed to be able to ford here? At least I wasn't. ??? I have a gut feeling that in public play the city is going to be mostly ignored as the tanks can only get up to the East flag in the south and all the other flags can also be capped from the west of the river. Not going to work even in 128p without some changes.

I suggest unrecappable pushmode (eg. first three flags of PHL or first two flags of Supercharge) for ALL flags. First "wave": crossing and Sedan East. Second "wave": Sedan Centre. Third "wave": the flags west of the river. Have the last French position be either uncappable or open to capture only after everything else falls. Should keep things going even in 64p and provide at least some incentive to fight through the city, other than sightseeing.

Fantastic terrain, though, and lovely to fly and drive through.

Overall
These maps are a breath of fresh air, and I like what they might yet become, but as said, they need work still, and not only on the cosmetic side.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 17-10-2011, 23:10:06
Your suggestions of all of you are very interesting and usefull for our works

I will only answer at the drawings in la varde : they're historically true.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 17-10-2011, 23:10:19
That was what i thought when I saw them. I hope to see all La Varde statics in better quality someday.

About OD: did fights took place in Sanatorium near Zuydcoote? If not, it should be off the combat area (something like mainfield on hurtgen) because it will be hard to make it good and realistic looking so it could be only nice looking thingy on horrizon or from air to avoid making uber detailed statics.

Also: Doesn't map lacks some blockhouse/bunker stuff?
http://dynamodk.voila.net/MEMZUYDCOOTE.jpg (http://dynamodk.voila.net/MEMZUYDCOOTE.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 18-10-2011, 16:10:09
at what time will we see french maps?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 18-10-2011, 17:10:23
They told me on the server that maybe around 8 pm CET.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 18-10-2011, 17:10:24
thanks for the info, I wasn't patient enough to wait for that answer on the server.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 18-10-2011, 21:10:10
atlantic wall bunkeer no?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Watchtower1001 on 18-10-2011, 22:10:39
No news announcement?  Perhaps you guys should make a moddb.com page so it's easier to follow.

Repost of download links (page 36) here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TZNB7R9T
(contains 3 levels ... Dynamo, Sedan, La Varde)
252.26 MB


... this needs to be edited to page 1 !!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 21-10-2011, 02:10:05
For the moment, we're collecting the criticisms and points of view of players, don't worry we will do this page in time
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 22-10-2011, 15:10:52
It looks like the map file was removed from Megaupload ...   :-[
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 23-10-2011, 12:10:28
oO ????

Btw, we've enough opinions on maps to modify them un a good way.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-11-2011, 15:11:06
ahum
gentlemen

what is le status?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 14-11-2011, 01:11:40
We 're working hard on sedan, as it is the map which need improvements the most !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-11-2011, 17:11:39
Top shelve!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 17-11-2011, 17:11:54
Nice to see your Mod on moddb. You should add some more pictures to your moddb entry as you did it here on the forum. This helps alot on emphazising and advertisment. Keep up the good work ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 17-11-2011, 23:11:17
Sure !! there is a news about sedan, the new gameplay is still under discussion though.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 24-11-2011, 01:11:30
Hello everyone, some bad news for you, french hope ceased "production" for the mod fh2, why ? "lack of communication" was politely pointed, maps standarts are out of reach for our team so we give up.

I just hope seeing you on the xmas week, i try to rent the 128 to test again those map like we dreamed of, making La Varde a nice dress for the last flight !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-11-2011, 08:11:31
We will do this event to say goodbye for all the guys who supported us.
The 3 first maps wasn't accepted, so they can't be in FH2.

Also another map is in work, "The Phoney War". Hope it will be apprieced, as it's the last i'll made for French Hope.

It's a small map in the winter 1939-1940, where french have to destroy and capture objectifs in the no man's land between Maginot and Siegfried Lines. It's an infantry map, and it will be finished before the New Year (Status : 60%).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 24-11-2011, 10:11:21
NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!

Map standards out of reach? I don't believe this. Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, and the 1% was there already.

So even if these three were abandoned, and the Phoney War is going to be completed nevertheless, what happened with the other five maps? I thought a total of 9 were in production?

Such a shame to see an entire front going to waste because of "communication problems". :(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-11-2011, 12:11:07
Many of us are in despair for such a "communication problem".
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 24-11-2011, 12:11:09
Communication problems. that's an understatement. I don't know what Barth told you, but from what I read dev's have not said french hope map can never be in FH, only that some have more potential that others and that they are not ready to be in FH, but that you should continue to work on them.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-11-2011, 13:11:18
We don't wanna make a polemic.

There are the fact : on the 3 maps, only 1 was "a potential map" and we have to work on it on our own(and trash the others).

And if there is a misunderstanding between us and the devs, it is maybe cause the french hope staff have not received the rights to access to topics about french hope in the private forum...

As you now, we are not so professionnal as the FH2 devs (as some of them work with dice or have a job in moddeling), so we need help. If we have made mistakes on our maps we need support, help, and tips. We have always advice like "don't do that, this is bad". We wanna "Do that or that, try to do that on this way".

This is why...it's the end for all but one map.

Or maybe...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 24-11-2011, 16:11:14
Sad to hear something like that. A question on a sidenote: did you contanct some of the experienced mappers of FH2 like Knofhoff or Fenring. I am sure they could help to bring this projct back on the road.
I liked the first impressions of the French Hope maps. It was something different. Ofcourse there were some things about the maps that have to be improved but overall a good start. Sedan with it's different facetes was the best map IMO.

And please don't give up too fast. It takes a lot of time to create a map.  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-11-2011, 16:11:25
All Fh2 mappers had a look at the French Hope maps.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 24-11-2011, 16:11:58
Ah, ok. But maybe it is better to improve the maps in close cooperation and not only with little hints and tips. That are only some thougths.  :-\
I liked these maps because of the freedom, something I am sometimes missing on the major FH2 maps, mostly the Normandy maps.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-11-2011, 16:11:36
Close cooperation means tons of work for the devs.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 24-11-2011, 16:11:23
let them speak for themselfs ts.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-11-2011, 17:11:54
ok *waits*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-11-2011, 18:11:24
no

NO
NOOOOOOOO


you've GOT BE SHITTING ME?
And the MODELLS?All for nothing!
COMEON

C'EST NE PAS POSSIBLE
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 24-11-2011, 19:11:14
Thanks for your support, the standart are obviously higher that we can even understand, the maps were shown at different states, rough start from final stage,  on the 9 choice ,none was push under the lights, so the panel of maps we offered are ... out of standart.

Lack of com', just an excuse we all admit, to continue working in calm, in the form you shape, or design.
French hope team will respect that, still myself too.

psykfallet, Barth, Bocquier , SuperC & me discussed a lot this last week, Seth Soldier too, we were a team ! with test , briefing, objectives, waiting for orders from above ! the serious was here but maybe not the majority of FH2 dev team seen or believe in this.

After the xmas test the 3 maps should be played in tournament, You'r allowed to do so by the team. I can't say for Zeta statics but my statics are free to use in fh2, guns have their owns texture, they could go on any mod.

On a personal note, this don't means we as gamers never seen french front, i hope we will see it ! later or soon, i'll be really curious about the maps choice and design.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-11-2011, 20:11:07
So the moddels are saved and will hopefully be used someday?

 ??? ???
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 24-11-2011, 20:11:17
By models you means tanks, playermodels, guns...... or the few statics we made ?
What is done is done , that's the sadness, what we did could be use for guys like us wanting to make a particular map, with my bunker system & official one you can roughly make any part of the atlantik wall, there's must one valuable map that can be played along this line ?
 
The value of the project was maps, 3d models make the charm, we could talked you about the time argument & how interfer with fh2 flow of feeding, but i feel the furious anger rise .

How good we feel during the 128 week, no price on that , my prefered screenshot is the commander view of ra109 while us squad storm the bastion !! noooooooooooooooooooooooooo price on that,

State of devotion = passion, can't see that forget !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-11-2011, 20:11:30
oooh it is sad day...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: RAnDOOm on 24-11-2011, 22:11:49

We all appreciate your hard work in making these maps. A fantastic job indeed.

For what i played in the 126 player week, i have noticed that with a bit of work all maps could be very easily enter the FH2 standards, but unfortunatly nowadays its all talk and no help by some people.   ::)

Im eager to play the maps again, especially if its in a ForgottenHonor campaign with the teamwork that it deserves.

Best of luck to you all and if you need any kind of help/support for the project do not hesitate to contact me. 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 24-11-2011, 22:11:28
Maps on your hands, i know they will find some love ! Respect !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 24-11-2011, 22:11:25
Wouldn't it be possible to resize Sedan and Stonne to 1024? I guess the heightmap can, but the color and detail? if so that's half the job, then it's placing objects wich should be less than it was before anyway?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 24-11-2011, 23:11:05
Original mapper of Sedan, named "le Griffu", lost hope faith & charity a long time ago, i was a bit stronger to fight & push the project, and La Varde is so special for me, so i reworked Sedan to fit desiderata, loosing a member by sneaky reason, motivated by the situation you must admit.

I'll polish maps for the test, that's all i can do anymore.

Stonne isn't in our hands from longtime too, as far as remember the state of the map...
Blackhawk yur traditionnal joke ;) hard to joke in this time, black humour will be "blackhawk's fall sometimes"
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [WaW]TC|Avrojet on 25-11-2011, 00:11:24
I checked the maps out during your public event and they were quite nice.

WaW would definately be interested in using some of them in our campaign. It would be a shame to let all the work in the maps and models go to waste.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 25-11-2011, 01:11:29

We all appreciate your hard work in making these maps. A fantastic job indeed.

For what i played in the 126 player week, i have noticed that with a bit of work all maps could be very easily enter the FH2 standards, but unfortunatly nowadays its all talk and no help by some people.   ::)

Im eager to play the maps again, especially if its in a ForgottenHonor campaign with the teamwork that it deserves.

Best of luck to you all and if you need any kind of help/support for the project do not hesitate to contact me.

from my OWN personal experience, these "standards" where suddenly shot so high up in the sky you wont even believe it, FH team need people, sadly some people suddenly bolted themself to the believes that "HEY! lets wrap up the standard even higher and not let new people in!! even though we need them!!!"

yes this is the sad truth.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 25-11-2011, 02:11:07
Not to turn knife into scar but Snoox i must say thank, i think i can speak for all my dirty bastards !

Hostile majority of Dev team, with all my respects , europe still be fighting if we all act lik' that !

A thousand sorry to Seth Soldier if i put you in a bad  whatever, my thoughts only the last sentence, with all my short 30 years of life experience i assume what i say, how megalomaniac it could be sound.

Sorry, rough, could be , must be said , sure ! without anger i hope we achieved it, like our grand-daddy's 2 generations ago.

Ring "la marseillaise in reggae" for me & Natty, war song "retaken" in reggae by a french artist called " Serge Gainsbourg" , tracked by Germany under the war when he was a child, fuck Brigitte Bardot my fellas !! a Man.

Yeah maybe on this musical point we could speak the same language Natty & enjoy a passion ...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hankypanky on 25-11-2011, 05:11:00
NO! !!!  :-[ This HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL! We had a dedicated team working on maps, with the full enthusiasm of the entire community! WAW and FH can save this, I hope!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 25-11-2011, 07:11:27
Its not fair to say Natty was the only one who was not satisfied by your Maps, cause its not true.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-11-2011, 09:11:45
Sure, say that is not true.

BUT WHO WANT TO SEE THEM IN A BETTER STATE ????????


That's the point ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 25-11-2011, 12:11:03
Great seeing you all make this personal and whatnot. Dragging something into the public domain when you had communication problems internally isn't really the best strategy.

CptdeS35, have you even read Knoffhoff's explanation in the internal forums?

Sad days indeed. :'(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 25-11-2011, 12:11:46
You might wonder how fair was this for us, secondly i not say that all your maps were fantastic and must have been in fh2, that will be highly pretentious.

I've read all and is contrary with Natty's post, on other subject too but that's not the point, you know i really have prefered rough line on minimap we shown than rough words  a year about what we shown, why the hell i should be kind with this kind of interlocutor.

Unfortunately i don't graduate in the famous "design anything without a clue about it" high school, so you must show me, at least once , after some years on editor, max & toshop i think i could understand.

So if Natty is not the only blocking & upsetters element, explain me why on the 9 choices , none maps could pretend be cooked with your magic ingredient to quit the "random" status of the maps.

I'm all ears & the team too, enlight us how you made the miracle, give us that at least for the time we passed on it, then it will be "fair"...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 25-11-2011, 12:11:55
Theres no reason to discuss this here in the Puby Forums.
Answers there given in the Intern Forums, this is here more like torches and pitchfork against some Devs.

Tbh. now there its canceled i read more from French Hope Members then in the last Year :p
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-11-2011, 13:11:46
Give us the right for the private forum, them i will see this message on our maps and we will not discuss on the puby forum.

As it's the only way to discuss with the devs for us ...

Internal communications problems was not between members of the french hope...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 25-11-2011, 14:11:45
Everyone, please pause for a moment and take a deep breath.

Honestly, if two maps are said to be unsuitable as such, is that a reason to stop development for the others as well?

Honestly, if they don't meet the "standard", well, they are still work in progress, and the maps now in FH2 have varying levels of "standard", even on the Western Front. Raising the bar higher still for all new entrants simply deprives the mod of much-needed content.

Too much work? For whom?

Please behave, everyone, and come to a more constructive resolution to this drama.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-11-2011, 14:11:00
Thanks 162eRI.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 25-11-2011, 17:11:44
Theres no reason to discuss this here in the Puby Forums.
Answers there given in the Intern Forums, this is here more like torches and pitchfork against some Devs.

Tbh. now there its canceled i read more from French Hope Members then in the last Year :p

i find that funny, when i wrote criticisme towards the devs in a More or less "mature" matter, it got deleted..

you guys just CANT take criticism towrads yourself, you only know how to give them.

so if taking the discussion to the public is the way it must be, then so be it, for it certainly dont work "internaly".


and you say Not to blame natty? he is probably the biggest PROBLEM you guys have right now.

what you guys Need to get into your HEADS is that you need PEOPLE, not dismissing them, and i say again. WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU NEED PEOPLE ITS NO SECRET.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-11-2011, 20:11:57
Hum...maybe not the way to talk. Thanks to 162, i'm able now to see the posts of the devs aboout our maps. Will answer...after dinner time ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 25-11-2011, 20:11:11
Yeah but he also said we should not talk about anything from the private forums in here.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-11-2011, 21:11:34
I apologize for the misunderstood (personnal attacks).

We should now make together the way to follow for us (which map need to be refunded, which map need just one or two things...), but we will not be able to do this modifications.

Can i have the right to access to the private forum?

And for the community, we wish we'll be able to take a constructive re-start, one day...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 25-11-2011, 21:11:04
I now understand one thing... project was born-dead, c'mon is it fair to let us hope...

I'm not glad Natty to be the reaper of the thread, why continue talked on private forum since cooperation stopped,we can't produce anymore, say here that we deserve honesty, write this words here plz, the time isn't for advice anymore, talk about fact.

Bi-Scale, look Villers-Bocage my dear, believe me i look also your map , in editor, and i play them, did you play our map ?

Sedan, Dynamo & La varde are all scale fitted, both first as "big picture" the last as detailed position 1/1, they have their special gameplay, some statics, we can't do more, you have seen that nearly from scratch so no it's not fair to conclude like that.

Sorry again to Seth Soldier, but no i'll never considerer that a "bizness" or i sue you for stealing us Zeta ;D

Better laugh sometimes.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 25-11-2011, 23:11:13
Snoox you don't seem to be a member on the new private forums so I'm not sure what you know, but Natty isn't the person that decides these things by himself, and he has been more constructive than some other devs in this matter.

i can assure that i know a Whole great deal more than most of the testers, that Never will see the light of day in these forums, nor the beta testers forum, i dont have to justify to you what i know. and Natty? constructive? you my good man obviosuly Never been in a mapping/gameplay/sound/whatever discussion with this man. (no offense)
 but we dont have to sit here rant about the guy, its Sad Really Sad if all these man-hours have gone to waste because of the lack of manpower, though wich Could have been otherwise if there Had been rational thinking going on.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [ret]azreal on 26-11-2011, 01:11:14
omg, this thread is getting out of hand...

might I remind everyone that anyone found talking about internal issues is in direct violation of the betatester policy on leaking. I don't want to lock this thread, so if you want it to stay open, please take this discussion to private forums.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 26-11-2011, 09:11:21
Would indeed be a sad day to see French Hope stop development. From what I've seen on screenshots, it looked very nice. Too bad things have gone this way.

I sincerely hope to see French Hope rise somewhere. Perhaps as an unofficial add-on to FH2?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 26-11-2011, 11:11:52
Might i remind you that everyone found using he's freedoom to speech must be read.

Ban me if you want, but if i have seen what i've seen yesterday from the "real forum" i will have annonced the death of the project long time ago, or left the project.

Eventually i manage to know the truth, i try to not be a sneaky guy, use black humour to try describe how paradoxal situation was, yeah a good reggae dub, a holy smoke then we might bring you a front, mappers for future & fun !

From the inside of french hope i can swear we try, feels frustrations, we feel a bit what you as a team could feel, we make a bit what you made, so as a little bro we're still be kids to yours eyes, i hope the public could make his own mind.

See you in xmas !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Natty on 26-11-2011, 12:11:19
Good luck with your maps guys, every single developer and tester in FH2 is excited about the possibility to add early war experience to FH2. You control those maps destiny, not us.

If there is another public betatest session, we will try to get as many to join as possible.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 26-11-2011, 13:11:39
Good, everyone's welcome except you Natty, a private night on your mod give me this right, i invite who it want in my house !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-11-2011, 14:11:53
Hope we will see many guys on our maps at Xmas.

Only one map is still in development under French Hope, so only one map will be proposed (again) by the French Hope

And then, it will be the end of a great story for us.

Hope one day we will be able to say "A l'attaque!" in  a map...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Natty on 26-11-2011, 18:11:51
Good, everyone's welcome except you Natty, a private night on your mod give me this right, i invite who it want in my house !

I don't know what you mean by these cryptic posts, but I will be one of the persons deciding if your maps are to be in the mod or not, just so you know.  :-\ My hopes are that you spend less time causing dramas in public forums and more time creating documents and maps that we can review.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 26-11-2011, 20:11:52
And now you begin to talk...., in what language do i must speak, maybe ur confuse about Bocquier or Master who aren't used by the hundred of hours lik me or SuperC, respect to him !, but as i already told you the present producing team is no more efficient, i spare you the time to choose between the maps, should be happy !

The few time spend to write here ! you'r kidding or u really just blabla here ? regarding time to make, search, dig ! for La Varde...

Better laugh about how i crypt the previous message, i could sent you an enigma machine for xmas ;D
Sorry but it's unbelievable ! i was sad now i feel so high, i even touch the sky ! thx Natty
 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 26-11-2011, 20:11:58
No need for an enigma machine, you are hard enough to understand due to your English.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 26-11-2011, 20:11:29
sorry for not born in an english speaking country, i will blame my grand-da for that, sorry 162 i can't be sarcastic or whatever, i be like you are with me, that's for sure.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 26-11-2011, 20:11:02
I'm not blaming anyone, just saying that if you want to use subtle humour or witty comments you need to master the language first.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fuchs on 26-11-2011, 21:11:48
This thread is very professional.

^ An example of sarcasm.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Master_of_Pain_25 on 26-11-2011, 21:11:17
STOP ! All, stop it now !

The French Hope project is already near to the death, this polemic will kill us defitively ! Stop kidding and injuring each other, let's talk like mature people.
Musska, 162RI, I can't know how you are angry and disapointed to see this project fall. You, SuperC and Griffu spent a lot of hours on these map and hope they're will be in FH2. I know you want to know why they're not be accepted by the devs, and why they rejected them instead of helping you. But be aggresive like that won't help us, this polemic will only divide the French Hope team from the devs and the community. We don't need this ! We don't want this !
Musska, you want to launch a test for christmas, but what the player think when they read this topic ? It's not a good publicity at all, do you agree ?
Bocquier want to make another French Hope map, but how many credibility he lost because of these polemic ? No French Hope member and no one want to see his map refused because of this "war".
I'm a brand new French Hope member, I don't even start my map, and I'm probably not disapointed as you, but guys, devs and all the community, don't break the bonds we have ! Keep the discussion open, let's be more open.

What I say is for of you, not only for French Hope members, not only for the devs. I'll hope you understand what I mean, even with my english.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 26-11-2011, 22:11:08
IMO this thread should be cleaned out of this bullshit (10 pages now?) to make ppl look at French Hope project seriously again. Leave only necessary info, some screenshots of your progres, minimaps etc, delete every fuckin else (including this post)

You just act like bunch of silly kids or true idiots. How old are you? Your maps aren't good enough to make it into the FH2 so if you want to se them in official release someday you need to pull yourselfs together and do something about it. I remember that one of devs (or betas?) said in game on public test that you haven't touched Sedan for a month after showing it to dev team - seriosuly, wtf? I had will to help you because IMO your project have big potencial and I've even contacted with one of you but you need to help yourself first (I wonder did you know about that, because it looks like all of your internal communications is here now). Who is the leader of your project? No one should speak public about your progress except him as almost all of you guys act irresponsibly and make your hard situation even worse, when you just need to stop crying, shut up and work on your maps quality. So stop taking umbrage ffs, accept criticism and make any conclusions from it!

If you aren't mature enough, leave this forum and let your project die a natural death before you will kill it and leave only disgust behind...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 26-11-2011, 22:11:19
I love this thread...Please don't touch a thing... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/Jeremiahthor/Smiles/hitthefan.gif)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-11-2011, 22:11:43
Admin ? Stop that topic, it might be enough.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 27-11-2011, 00:11:27
i already said see you on xmas, Then Natty come to say good luck, everyone is exicited... that's the game, divided us, i swear the last time, it was clear 4 the remaining dev of the dead french hope team, Bocquier or Captain de s35 was here that we close.

I came to annonce that right ? that was the purpose of letting the discussion flow, and it flows & turn to shit, because that was a pile of shit, but we advance like never before, paradoxal no ?

Master if i burn your chances, u still believe in this ?, anyway you know that i don't want to clash the former team, what i told you last day ? lik i say to cptain Bocquier if you want to use french hope name to might be a part of fh2 lik it was the purpose ,do it, no problem, maps are here to be played !!
But say it's a new-birth, by respect to all former mappers & modders we used to have, i've seen too much forgotten hope died.

Fin.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [ret]azreal on 27-11-2011, 04:11:46
Locked on request. For the French Hope members, let's take this to the private forums.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 18-12-2011, 19:12:26
http://www.moddb.com/company/french-hope/news/french-hope-christmas-presents
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 18-12-2011, 22:12:32
Thread open again. YAY !

Thanks for the prezzies. Viva la France !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 19-12-2011, 21:12:35
Very nice update guys and I am glad to see you back in business. Keep on going with the good work please  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 19-12-2011, 22:12:09
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
YYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 20-12-2011, 00:12:03
 ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 20-12-2011, 03:12:34
i want to see a Very early war map with france invading germany.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 20-12-2011, 15:12:52
I read that wasnt much more than a fieldtest of s-mines for germans  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 20-12-2011, 21:12:49
would still be funneh :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-12-2011, 14:12:24
All the French Hope Staff and teams cont@act and =Ubf= wish you a Merry Christmas 2011 !

(http://img75.xooimage.com/files/9/7/3/card-2ff55e1.png) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-12-2011, 11:12:41
Merry christmas mon amis!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 26-12-2011, 11:12:13
Heilo ! dl link will come late today sorry ! the custom night will hopefully take place on the 28 night, right now 128 server is up waiting for your skills !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-12-2011, 14:12:08
nice mate !

Humm maybe we need to post the download link for the maps
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: RAnDOOm on 26-12-2011, 19:12:21
IP ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 28-12-2011, 18:12:51
Maybe is it time to post the link for the maps, don't you think ?  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-12-2011, 19:12:50
hum...musska?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 29-12-2011, 01:12:03
Sorry the delay, wanna play too on the server ! & got some troubles with sedan & la varde, i try to finish that asap !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 29-12-2011, 11:12:09
don't worry. Can't wait for the pan pan !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 02-01-2012, 05:01:54
Could someone take a minute or two to explain what this mod is all about? I am really interested in the French battles of WW2 and everything related to this mod (or mini-mod, or set of maps?) looks brilliant, are there download links coming soon or available now? I read the last 50 or 60 posts of this thread and there seems to be a bit of controversy but 650 posts is an awful lot to read through in one go. I'd appreciate it if someone could give me a quick explanation of what French Hope is and is about?

Cheers,

Andrew
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Natty on 02-01-2012, 07:01:28
It is an ambitious project to create the early France battles for FH2. Currently the mod aims to be a so-called "minimod" which means it reads the entire FH2, then adds its own components on top (like maps, weapons or vehicles)

Forgotten Hope 2 team have offered to add French Hope to the official mod build, but are waiting for a final product (tested, bugfree, gone through feedback cycles, optimized, correct art direction etc) before going anything further. The FH2 team already developed a bunch of assets for this front, so we all really want to see it happen, but the ball is in the French Hope team's hands. So to speak.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 02-01-2012, 14:01:16
It was. Now we just hope seeing the maps being played in tournament or event, cause the manpower left from long time and for reasons being exposed here.

The french front will be made by fh2 team, no longer by us, we aren't strong enough now, see that i was alone to set up the maps for the event we scheduled last week, and i can't achieved in time, so don't expect anything from french hope in the future except the mappack with dynamo, la varde and sedan .

Maybe the "phoney war" map could be a new "french hope", but it depends on Cptdes35, and only him.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: LuckyOne on 02-01-2012, 14:01:40
Yeah it's a shame we couldn't try out those maps... I really wanted to see them :(

However we had a lot of fun on the 128 player server and I'm sure we are all very grateful for that! So thank you French Hope team, and let's all make a wish that the French maps find their way into the official build one day one way or another, cause after all..

Hope dies last  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 02-01-2012, 23:01:53
Thanx to you filling up the server, was hard to start, a diesel lik every'1 of us sometimes  ;D
Supercharge was truly epic, when it's good played, with some tactics, improvisation & coordination, dude ! was feeling lik DC Medina Ridge !

The map will come soon , some bugs but need some times.0
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 02-01-2012, 23:01:35
It's a bit sad to hear that the project is struggeling but without enough manpower it's ofcourse quiet difficult. I also want to say thanks for the efforts done by the French Hope team. I had great fun on the server and especialy on your maps. Maybe they will find a way into the FH2 build in the future. Maybe like Battle of Keren. Looking forward to it nontheless ...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 03-01-2012, 03:01:51
Shame, I really hope something comes of all of this. What I've seen of French Hope so far through screens has looked pretty special, fingers crossed it becomes widely playable at some point in the future. I had a go on 0.7 a week or so ago for a few days, just dicking around in singleplayer and I must've spent at least 24 hours on Counterattack, setting the rounds for two hours and seeing how much havoc I could cause with my Ruby and my Boys rifle. Really got me hungry for some French content in FH2 so even I hope we can see something come of all this work, even if it was only a couple of maps.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 03-01-2012, 23:01:26
Well we're still working on French Hope, and we don't want to deceive you
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 04-01-2012, 15:01:18
can we see some pics of your map? Have the devs seen it?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 05-01-2012, 21:01:09
Of course !
La varde get back her original light set-up, real assault happened around 19H a sunny summer sunday.
(http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/14/76/68/04/screen29.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=57&u=14766804)
put a push on it.

Sedan get back is push system, was interesting to see how players acted during last test without.
Can't do more on sedan, the pan-pan will help on the northern side of map, to slow the crossing by the germans, normally on this but,

(http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/14/76/68/04/pont1410.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=59&u=14766804)

Adding 2 aa/at boat on Dynamo, this and the Panhard 178 should fill the lacks constated during test on both aa/at power.
(http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/14/76/68/04/screen30.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=58&u=14766804)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 05-01-2012, 21:01:34
Of course !
La varde get back her original light set-up, real assault happened around 19H a sunny summer sunday.
http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/14/76/68/04/screen29.jpg (http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/14/76/68/04/screen29.jpg)
Beautiful! Why this was changed before? Original lightning on this map looks awesome, it is the same as in some testing video which can be found somewhere on YouTube, right?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 05-01-2012, 22:01:39
that's nice but I was talking about cpt35de's map :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 07-01-2012, 18:01:58
What happened with these maps made by team Cont@ct (or French Hope) which were played some time ago - I remembered there was beach map, Berchtesgaden, St.Mere Eglise? (night map), map with quite big town and objectives to destroy and some map located somewehere in Mediterranean theatre...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: hitm4k3r on 07-01-2012, 20:01:10
What happened with these maps made by team Cont@ct (or French Hope) which were played some time ago - I remembered there was beach map, Berchtesgaden, St.Mere Eglise? (night map), map with quite big town and objectives to destroy and some map located somewehere in Mediterranean theatre...

Yeah, there were some nice maps. The best map was the forest map with it's very nice atmosphere. Could be interesting to make these maps ready for an event together with the 4 other new maps done by French Hope. Some advertising on the mainpage for such an event and we are good to go. :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 10-01-2012, 15:01:51
Screenshots from the phoney war ? hum...no, as i got overgrowth problems...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 29-02-2012, 21:02:35
 How far are you from a release?

 Will this be added as an official FH2 Theater?


ty
 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: musska on 02-03-2012, 01:03:01
Lo', fresh from me, crash-test-dummy  ;D
(http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/14/76/68/04/screen31.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=60&u=14766804)


Finishing a decent "robe" to it then you can imagine a week of madness in chasing BMW  with that, one week ...
Sedan need a mapper, she's got potential & she's 70% complete, Dynamo need to be released, some light'touches then you go !

La varde's terrain is almost complete, nearly 4k objects then some veget's, finishing the retexturing in fh2 standards of the bunk+vauban system .

So i would say expect a mappack, if it's supported by server, with some help it could be a new front with a little less detailed map, fh1 vehicules conversions, voilà your new front, but don't expect that 8)

From me it's all i can say about that ! Bocquier still work on maps but they still need test , attention & sad no more static object creator to new map.

Sayonara  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 12-04-2012, 13:04:43
NEWS COMING SOON  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: RAnDOOm on 12-04-2012, 14:04:05
NEWS COMING SOON  ;)

Nice!

Looking forward to them.   8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 12-04-2012, 15:04:34
Awesome!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 12-04-2012, 19:04:33
De Gaulle is waiting.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TASSER on 12-04-2012, 19:04:41
Awesome! I'm so glad you guys are still working on it! I was pretty bummed out when there was talk of the project being dead in the water.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 12-04-2012, 20:04:35
 1 month away from the 2 year anniversary announcement of French Hope.




 fingers crossed

 :P


 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 23-04-2012, 11:04:21
*twiddles thumbs*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 23-04-2012, 12:04:11
Some of their maps will be reused by PR Normandy (without FH2 statics though).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 23-04-2012, 13:04:13
is that the exciting news?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 23-04-2012, 14:04:24
Needed that added snails and garlic ?  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 23-04-2012, 14:04:47
Reused? They haven't even been used yet  :'(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 23-04-2012, 15:04:16
We used them internally and weren't impressed.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 03-05-2012, 10:05:52
What was wrong with them?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 03-05-2012, 12:05:35
design didn't match FH2 gameplay
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 03-05-2012, 17:05:51
Oh okay. So will the minimod be released then?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 03-05-2012, 23:05:21
We used them internally and weren't impressed.

well, your maps arnt quite impressing. just a friendly advise.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-05-2012, 22:05:35
Sorry mates, due to my studies, i've to delay a little bit the news. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 05-05-2012, 22:05:15
We used them internally and weren't impressed.

well, your maps arnt quite impressing. just a friendly advise.

If you want to give feedback, do it here:

http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=2468.225
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fuchs on 06-05-2012, 20:05:01
We used them internally and weren't impressed.

well, your maps arnt quite impressing. just a friendly advise.
Nor are yours, just a friendly advice.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 06-05-2012, 22:05:45
i should have said something now, but in the danger of sounding like a douch on he's high horse, i wont  ::) you should take the hint ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 06-05-2012, 23:05:05
C'mon girls, dont be hatin'
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 06-05-2012, 23:05:06
C'mon girls, dont be hatin'

*Like* (like on facebook)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 07-05-2012, 13:05:58
Why can't we all just get along :(.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fuchs on 07-05-2012, 15:05:15
Because some people bring the truth a bit too hard, then others have to make a douchy remark about it and then others have to make a douchy remark about the douchy remark and then there's another douchy remark and well, then the moderator sighs and posts something. That's why.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 07-05-2012, 17:05:05
Because some people bring the truth a bit too hard, then others have to make a douchy remark about it and then others have to make a douchy remark about the douchy remark and then there's another douchy remark and well, then the moderator sighs and posts something. That's why.

When a Betatester posts an idiotic reply like that about a Developer decicion, its seen on as douchebaggery, you are supposed to represent the team, and Not like that. dont try to justifice yourself or any other. wich includes myself, now lets play along nicely. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 07-05-2012, 19:05:34
If you want peace, you don't make someone's last statement look stupid then throw in, lets play along nicely. Its simply saying, 'I'm right, but now lets stop fighting' - Ofcourse, they will come back at you - You insult their ego.

To answer the question at hand. Although French Hope have surely put in years of work, there is a specific standard that Fh2 devs try to cultivate which sadly, is best learnt from being screened to be a dev (i.e your portfolio etc) and then being a part of the team aligning your style with theirs.

Its why they generally do not accept external contents, otherwise that specific standard will not be met - or will not even exist.

Its been discussed to death in the past regarding PR, Battlegroup Frontline, Eve of Destruction, Project Normandy and that Russian minimod.

The French Hope devs actually had their day in the sun because the devs looked at their content internally, which was unprecedented.

But as explained earlier, without having been picked as a dev for specific qualities that go beyond simply making good content, and aligning your design with theirs, it wont be picked.

Everyone in the know tiptoes around the issue, because everyone got sour about this in the end - and they had the right to be. French Hope team has worked hard on their stuff and deserve to have it played. But the devs need to be firm too or FH2 will just be a WWII mod for BF2 - Not the Fh2 we've all come to respect and love.

You don't get to the commercial game standard Fh2 enjoys by being soft.

Looks at maps Like Cobra and Olympus. Those actually passed the test, but is it not clear the difference in gameplay and map design between them and say, Port en Bessin, Point du Hoc ro such?

Now,speaking as nutral between arguing parties. Can we all move that offline and say nothing more to do that after this post.

Thanks!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fuchs on 07-05-2012, 23:05:44
Because some people bring the truth a bit too hard, then others have to make a douchy remark about it and then others have to make a douchy remark about the douchy remark and then there's another douchy remark and well, then the moderator sighs and posts something. That's why.

When a Betatester posts an idiotic reply like that about a Developer decicion, its seen on as douchebaggery, you are supposed to represent the team, and Not like that. dont try to justifice yourself or any other. wich includes myself, now lets play along nicely. :)
Not trying to justify anything, you just sounded like an arrogant dick.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 08-05-2012, 00:05:46
Some guys really think that by "playing" 5 minutes of Beta testing, they simply became gods of this game...  ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 08-05-2012, 01:05:09
Actually, if you are active on the forum long enough, yer... you kinda know your shit, Kwiot

1000+ (Let alone 5000+) posts means you are active enough on the forum to speak with confidence. Being a BT is just an added bonus.

Now can we fiukin move back to the mod??
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 08-05-2012, 10:05:00
Thought this was an Thread where French Hope can show their stuff. Not a Thread about what Devs didn´t like  ???

Don´t stop them to have fun with their Mod.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 08-05-2012, 12:05:45
It is. But the question has always been bubbling. Hopefully, that's settled.

Personally always loved the Polish battles and French battles in FH1. Really wish to see these somehow.
We saw naval warfare with alot of planes once. I'd love to see the powerful French tanks against the panzer grau German troops.

I'd totally be all over that.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 08-05-2012, 12:05:05
What have I started  :'(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 08-05-2012, 13:05:41
Which now wont end with your asking  ::)

Just start talking about regular French Hope stuff, and it ends.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 08-05-2012, 13:05:48
Actually, if you are active on the forum long enough, yer... you kinda know your shit, Kwiot

1000+ (Let alone 5000+) posts means you are active enough on the forum to speak with confidence. Being a BT is just an added bonus.

Now can we fiukin move back to the mod??

No, I have over 1000 hours played this game, so... But if we are listening to the forum spammers... Yeah, not surprised that this mod is heading into nowhere...  ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 08-05-2012, 13:05:42
Actually, if you are active on the forum long enough, yer... you kinda know your shit, Kwiot

1000+ (Let alone 5000+) posts means you are active enough on the forum to speak with confidence. Being a BT is just an added bonus.

Now can we fiukin move back to the mod??

No, I have over 1000 hours played this game, so... But if we are listening to the forum spammers... Yeah, not surprised that this mod is heading into nowhere...  ::)

Statistically, those who have that many posts have been here since like 2005? And have been playing Fh1 through Fh 2.0 till now....

Information about the game flows through the devs forum, the beta tester forum, the public forum (past and present) and the little meaningles chats ingame.

So if you  want to limit yourself to information about French Hope, Fh2 and how gameplay is only by opinions online, that's cool. But all I'm saying is, there's a bit more to knowledge about the mod than just that.

And seriously, this mod is going nowhere? I - DIDN'T - KNOW - THAT. I'm sure those who said it in 2007 when the mod seemed to be taking forever to be released were saying the same thing then (5 years ago)

We outlive such comments mate. And that's simply because the devs make some good shit.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 08-05-2012, 14:05:27
Actually, if you are active on the forum long enough, yer... you kinda know your shit, Kwiot

1000+ (Let alone 5000+) posts means you are active enough on the forum to speak with confidence. Being a BT is just an added bonus.

Now can we fiukin move back to the mod??

No, I have over 1000 hours played this game, so... But if we are listening to the forum spammers... Yeah, not surprised that this mod is heading into nowhere...  ::)

Statistically, those who have that many posts have been here since like 2005? And have been playing Fh1 through Fh 2.0 till now....

Information about the game flows through the devs forum, the beta tester forum, the public forum (past and present) and the little meaningles chats ingame.

So if you  want to limit yourself to information about French Hope, Fh2 and how gameplay is only by opinions online, that's cool. But all I'm saying is, there's a bit more to knowledge about the mod than just that.

And seriously, this mod is going nowhere? I - DIDN'T - KNOW - THAT. I'm sure those who said it in 2007 when the mod seemed to be taking forever to be released were saying the same thing then (5 years ago)

We outlive such comments mate. And that's simply because the devs make some good shit.

Tell me 1 thing - has the player base increased or decreased lately? I've noticed that there is less and less players each day on online servers...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 08-05-2012, 14:05:41
There are always down times.
That's why I specifically gave the example of 2007. The community had been waiting for FH2 since 2005/6 and had absolutely NO versions come out for that long. ALOT of gloom and doom was predicted, but the community survived just as it has now when 2.0 was released finally.

FOr about 3 - 4months of troll posts, the devs finally decided to 'discipline' the community.
They stopped posting updates altogether.

Do you see? In the end, quality has its own followers. It may have content sure, and alot of good maps. But more than anything, its the history of the mod, the dedicated fans that have been here for so long and the sheer quality of contents that make FH2 survive.

There always the casual fans with short attention spans, but with each release, you get new ones of those. We generally don't get overly excited. They will come and go each season.

But we manage to always have 2 decently filled servers - HSLAN and 762. And one usually fills up to 64players.

Will FH2 last for a 1000 years? Probably not.
Will it even last for another 2 years? maybe, maybe not. Its an old engine.
But for the time being, we're still going strong :)

And while the devs work hard on the Russian front, let's see what that release, or the ones between now and then do to the numbers, shall we?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 08-05-2012, 14:05:53
So the main assumption is the destination of this mod are only loyal players who don't mind waiting 1 year for the next release?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 08-05-2012, 15:05:58
No. they are just the mainstay. The backbone of ANY mod. It when those start to fail, that you have to be worried. The rest will come and go, even if a release was made every 7 days.

But we digress. I am simply saying, FH2 is not going to Hell just yet.
You don't know how much content is in the next patch, so you don't know the kind of boost it will give the mod. All we're seeing is the waiting timing.

We still have 1.5 full servers, sometimes 2 full servers, sometimes more.

Now can we get back to French Hope.
I really want them to talk to those who organized the naval battles so we can experience this online.

Then we might just have more servers up, ei, Kwiot  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 08-05-2012, 16:05:00
Anyway, let's not argue about trivial matters. It really isn't conducive to a good community and a good community is what FH2 needs (and for the most part, has). What maps are confirmed to be in this mod?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Fuchs on 08-05-2012, 16:05:10
Actually, if you are active on the forum long enough, yer... you kinda know your shit, Kwiot

1000+ (Let alone 5000+) posts means you are active enough on the forum to speak with confidence. Being a BT is just an added bonus.

Now can we fiukin move back to the mod??

No, I have over 1000 hours played this game, so... But if we are listening to the forum spammers... Yeah, not surprised that this mod is heading into nowhere...  ::)
What is this? Some sort of contest? The fact that I'm a tetabester means nothing about what I say on the forums and frankly I don't see what playing time has to do with that. I tried out FH1 in 2006 and found out that FH2 was released in January 2008 so my hours can easily match up to that.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 08-05-2012, 17:05:51
Anyway, let's not argue about trivial matters. It really isn't conducive to a good community and a good community is what FH2 needs (and for the most part, has). What maps are confirmed to be in this mod?

this
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 08-05-2012, 20:05:33
 Just pool all the resources together and at least finish 1 map.



 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 08-05-2012, 20:05:49
Snoox has a great map in the mod already (Eppeldorf) and had the best french map imo, I hope he finishes it someday.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 09-05-2012, 12:05:19
i will never let Stonne go to waste.  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 09-05-2012, 13:05:16
For a sec I read 'I will never be stoned and wasted'

And I agreed.


OT,
I'd love to see your map, Sn00x. Has this already been showed, or do you have screenshots?

I've always thought your maps had such personality, like Bloody gulch.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 09-05-2012, 13:05:00
Stonne was fun to play.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 09-05-2012, 19:05:29
Yeah Stonne was the one map that could be made into an FH2 map imo.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 20-05-2012, 17:05:53
Actually i'm working on it, trying to add some furnitures and stuffs...
Gameplay has been rectified a little bit (armies got reinforcements as the battle develops for instance), and some things have changed (add a church, tobruk bunkers removed, misplaced statics, re-designing mainbases)

I thought i was able to do everything really quickly, but i wasn't !

There are some pics. Remember, it's WIP, and in some of them you won't see changes.
(http://img82.xooimage.com/files/f/1/1/1-34b70f0.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/image/82/f/1/1/1-34b70f0.jpg.htm)

(http://img84.xooimage.com/files/0/f/e/2-34b7100.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/image/84/0/f/e/2-34b7100.jpg.htm)

(http://img78.xooimage.com/files/a/9/d/3-34b7103.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/image/78/a/9/d/3-34b7103.jpg.htm)

(http://img77.xooimage.com/files/0/d/e/4-34b7118.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/image/77/0/d/e/4-34b7118.jpg.htm)

(http://img85.xooimage.com/files/4/d/9/5-34b7123.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/image/85/4/d/9/5-34b7123.jpg.htm)

(http://img81.xooimage.com/files/5/d/f/6-34b712b.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/image/81/5/d/f/6-34b712b.jpg.htm)

(http://img82.xooimage.com/files/f/2/b/7-34b713d.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/image/82/f/2/b/7-34b713d.jpg.htm)

(http://img81.xooimage.com/files/0/6/6/8-34b7149.jpg) (http://frenchhope.xooit.com/image/81/0/6/6/8-34b7149.jpg.htm)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 20-05-2012, 18:05:46
Yeah those pics doesnt say much
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 20-05-2012, 21:05:36
Looks great! Keep on working on this map! Don't give up!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 20-05-2012, 22:05:40
I won't  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 21-05-2012, 10:05:14
Really keen for this. Will there be AI/bot support?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 21-05-2012, 22:05:05
Errr...first, i will try to "finish" this map, then show it to the devs, and we will see if it could be in FH2...
Then, we gonna talk about bot support ^^'
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sheikyerbouti on 22-05-2012, 00:05:43
 I am seriously impressed by not only the maps and their creativity

but also by the persistence of the French Hope developer's to get published under the Fh2 title. Your work deserves a place in Fh2 alongside everything else. editorial concerns aside, i feel that many maps need to tried under real gaming conditions, not under the artificial constraint of a limited, self editing tester base. 


 To my mind, It is like Da Vinci telling Michaelangelo that his Sistine Chapel looks like shit.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 22-05-2012, 12:05:45
Yeah, pity that nobody knows what are these conditions which these maps didn't make....
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 22-05-2012, 12:05:00
nobody? except most of the testers and devs ;)

Stonne still has chance as it is the best of French Hope maps
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 22-05-2012, 13:05:48
nobody? except most of the testers and devs ;)

Stonne still has chance as it is the best of French Hope maps

That's what I mean... Nobody from "public" know them....
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 22-05-2012, 13:05:13
nobody? except most of the testers and devs ;)

Stonne still has chance as it is the best of French Hope maps

That's what I mean... Nobody from "public" know them....

Well nobody from "public" has any say in the matter, so... It's up to the devs, and they knw a good map when they see one.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 22-05-2012, 13:05:52
There was also a public test of most of those maps. Many people said that they were not in FH2 standard.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 22-05-2012, 14:05:17
I am seriously impressed by not only the maps and their creativity but also by the persistence of the French Hope developer's to get published under the Fh2 title. Your work deserves a place in Fh2 alongside everything else. editorial concerns aside, i feel that many maps need to tried under real gaming conditions, not under the artificial constraint of a limited, self editing tester base. 

To my mind, It is like Da Vinci telling Michaelangelo that his Sistine Chapel looks like shit.

Thanks mate, (and as i'm a student in architecture, i really enjoyed this quote !)
Btw, many of the developpers of the French Hope are gone, since they were disappointed. But the spirit of FrH is not die ^^. (Impossible, but not French =P)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 22-05-2012, 14:05:54
nobody? except most of the testers and devs ;)

Stonne still has chance as it is the best of French Hope maps

That's what I mean... Nobody from "public" know them....

Well nobody from "public" has any say in the matter, so... It's up to the devs, and they knw a good map when they see one.

But really I want to know what are these standards when I want to make a new map...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 22-05-2012, 15:05:20
those standards you can see in most of official maps, especially in newest maps.

When you want to create your own map... well, first of all - you need a good idea for a map and its gameplay layout (flags etc). And obviously, good research of actual battle you want to represent. Compare your ideas to solutions existing in other official maps, don't try to be very innovative in gameplay and use proven gameplay mechanisms as it is very risky to trying to be a pioneer if you're not very experienced mapper and you may fail (you will have time for some experimentation during developement process which is very long and hard, especially outside dev/beta team when you don't have people to test your map)

Other important thing is to communicate with others, often more expierenced mappers/beta testers as they probably will know what to look for and will help you. It is important to get rid of some bugs at very beggining and better discuss some problems earlier than remaking half made map or scrap your project. Problem is that public forums may be not the best for good feedback. Big problem is also a straw enthusiasm or fact that some of your ideas may face opposition from more experienced guys (there are big chances that some have committed your mistakes in the past so it's good to listen "wiser" dudes)

I think that's all you need for a start. Then comes thousands of details and a lot of very time consuming work. At the end of course art work at some final touches about some help you can find in this thread:
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=574.0 (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=574.0)

oh, and the decalogue of mapper:
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/tutorials/mappingstandards.php (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/tutorials/mappingstandards.php)

Cheers ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kwiot on 22-05-2012, 17:05:04
So it's all about placing objects? Because everything from the decalogue was there...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 22-05-2012, 17:05:19
Phone Natty he will explain to you what is wrong  :)

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 22-05-2012, 18:05:08
Phone Natty he will explain to you what is wrong  :)

I dont think even the most masochistic person would dare to endure that kind of torture.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 22-05-2012, 18:05:43
Phone Natty he will explain to you what is wrong  :)

I dont think even the most masochistic person would dare to endure that kind of torture.

But he is the only Dev who can anwser this Question!

Maybe also Knoffhoff but don´t think so.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TuscanGangster on 22-05-2012, 21:05:12
Are you gonna create a whole new soldier model? Atleast I guess you're using french weapons as they're suppossedly done.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 22-05-2012, 22:05:39
Nope. The French Hope is doing (trying to do) the maps for FH2, but we are not a part of FH2 devs !
So we've no french stuff (except the panhard), no german 1940 stuff, no soldiers, no tents from 1940, no tanks, no planes...they will be added IF the map is in FH2 standards.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sheikyerbouti on 23-05-2012, 05:05:18
 we always dance around the subject but with limited Dev team and small tester base, we limit opinion.
With limited opinion comes limited input and exceptional bias.  (thousands of players opinions negated by a couple dozen testers and Devs)

 The WaW naval maps are the best example in my opinion as they have worked well for years now but still haven't been graced with formal Fh2 acceptance. Maybe it is time to accept that the standards of the public are lower than those of the tightly knit and highly privileged Dev team.

 As pointed out by Capitaine S35, most the French hoper's quit because they were discouraged. How does one build a limited team up in numbers when those of us who can contribute are pushed away from the door before we get a chance to go inside? (based upon Azrael's recent statement of limited resources)


 As an Fh2 player since day 15, I can honestly recall how shitty some of the maps were but they still met the FH2 standard (of that time), so why have the goals been moved beyond the reach of the common man?


 Like I said, "it's Da Vinci saying to Michaelangelo that the Sistine chapel isn't good enough"

 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [KamiKaze] Destroyer on 23-05-2012, 15:05:06
I agree. I wrote something simillar here (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=17226.msg251762#msg251762).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: DLFReporter on 23-05-2012, 16:05:16
Actually another problem was that some people were quite resistant towards suggestions. This pared with a major communications problem and lack of time on the part of everyone made it sum up to quite a frustrating experience. It doesn't always end up like this and quite a few 'new' devs have proven that. Kettcar being one for example, coming from nothing with no experience, who listened to all the advice he got and who had worked his ass of for a year to make himself a good mapper.

I must really object, the Devs and us testers aren't the evil elitist group you make us out to be. Help is always wanted and accepted, perhaps it was wrong to invest so much manpower in making maps perfect and getting releases going, instead of investing the time in breeding more mappers, but that has happened and now we need help to find help. I see a lot of skill out there with all the fan mappers, they just have to apply and then listen to the advice and all is well. Sure some people might sound quite haughty (you all know who I mean), but you can still learn a lot once you see past that attitude. :)

Destroyer, you should apply, you have the stuff and as I gather the willpower to cope with the editor, you just need refinement. :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 23-05-2012, 17:05:37
we always dance around the subject but with limited Dev team and small tester base, we limit opinion.
With limited opinion comes limited input and exceptional bias.  (thousands of players opinions negated by a couple dozen testers and Devs)

 The WaW naval maps are the best example in my opinion as they have worked well for years now but still haven't been graced with formal Fh2 acceptance. Maybe it is time to accept that the standards of the public are lower than those of the tightly knit and highly privileged Dev team.

 As pointed out by Capitaine S35, most the French hoper's quit because they were discouraged. How does one build a limited team up in numbers when those of us who can contribute are pushed away from the door before we get a chance to go inside? (based upon Azrael's recent statement of limited resources)


 As an Fh2 player since day 15, I can honestly recall how shitty some of the maps were but they still met the FH2 standard (of that time), so why have the goals been moved beyond the reach of the common man?


 Like I said, "it's Da Vinci saying to Michaelangelo that the Sistine chapel isn't good enough"

Can't agree - That higher standard, IMO, is one of the only things keeping Fh2 alive right now. It means replayability even on bad play-days.

I think the devs need to increase their numbers is what - Not lower their standards.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [KamiKaze] Destroyer on 23-05-2012, 20:05:18
...
I dont think any body is trying to say Devs and Testers are evil elitist group ;) It is just suggestions and opinions. I think you guys have done great job, and i never said otherwise, but, it doesint stop me for suggesting things that i believe personally would make it even better =)

I have been grateful to have assistance of one of beta testers from FH team while working on my map. He helped me a lot, pointing out loads of bugs that i wouldint notice myself. But, there were also parts where i felt that he was trying to tell me what i should do and not do, and that is just, not beta testers job if you ask me... Ofcourse, opinions and suggestions, but only if they are coming from simillar point of view of the map creator, which the beta tester should adjust to, as beign a beta tester. From that, i imagine a situation where you dont have 1 beta tester but 10, and all of them dont like this and that. In the end, there is danger that the map will be too scaled down into jack-of-all-traders style. But yeah, my opinion ofc =)

I am only assuming how you guys work, i would try to apply, but i fear that your system of working might not be same as mine, which would leave me frustrated not beign able to do what i want to do :/ But like i said, not sure how you guys work, maybe you could tell me a little about it? =)

...
Sorry Djinn, but i dont agree, many maps look quite similar in design, so replayablity is not nessecery higher if you make maps as IRL looking as possible. With this map editor you can make very diffrent gameplay maps. Maps like Berlin 1945, or Coral Sea (only airplanes). That is what i would call replayablity in this game personally. With maps that gameplay style differ a lot from eachother.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 23-05-2012, 22:05:29
Damn you sound awfully alot like a dev, you both have the same confidence in your design skills, except for the difference that he has worked on loads of maps, and you have made 1 ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 23-05-2012, 23:05:04
that was exactly the same thing I thought after reading Destroyer's post but difference between those two is huge. My advice is to have some humility and don't be stubborn, at least at the beggining with mapping ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-05-2012, 13:05:07
You are right about beta testers, but if a dev tells you to change something on your map you better listen.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [KamiKaze] Destroyer on 25-05-2012, 00:05:09
Ehm, I never said my map is great, never even said its good... Becouse i didint test it yet... I wouldint say its about design skills anyhow, at least its not how i wanted it to sound, if i did then excuse me. From my point of view it is more of a gameplay philosophy / idea =)

I am good listner! =) But what would happen if i didint agree with a dev while making a map? Would i get kicked?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 25-05-2012, 01:05:02
There are some things you need to understand while making a map for FH2 (not generic FPS map, FH1 map, or map for any other game - dev team is here to pave the way of development of THIS mod and choose their priorities) When you will understand you won't disagree with them or stop at the stage of making amateur maps which will be never played on full public server. (The sad true is that there are no public servers running custom maps and there won't be any except some events) Even more sad would be only if so fast learnig mapper would waste his talent on being stubborn ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [ret]azreal on 25-05-2012, 04:05:49
Quote from: [KamiKaze
But what would happen if i didint agree with a dev while making a map?

You'd better have a damn good reason as to why ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Stubbfan on 25-05-2012, 08:05:34
"am good listner! =) But what would happen if i didint agree with a dev while making a map? Would i get kicked? "

Hehe you think all the devs always agrees? Naaah mate. Although if there was something that the majority thought was a really bad idea then you'd have to make a very good selling point for it. However we do tend to test things that the mapper wants to try.  8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Kelmola on 25-05-2012, 10:05:34
From a player's perspective, what the devs are wanting from a map, besides good gameplay and "flow" is art direction. A map should have a unique "look and feel". Also, the map should look like "lived in", not just a tactical obstacle course or wargaming terrain on a table. In this respect, the more recent FH2 maps beat most other mods or even commercial games. And this requires that sidewalks are in their proper places, there are no strange noclip bugs, there's enough objects to make the landscape look realistic even if they were completely unnecessary from tactical and/or gameplay point of view, all the way down to the smallest detail, while still keeping in mind that the map should play well above all.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 25-05-2012, 11:05:59
I think the developers have set a certain standard for FH2 maps. Certain rules (some unwritten, but exist in the mindset) for gameplay, map quality, balancing, whatever else.

I don't think it's bad to disagree sometimes. In fact, it's good. You have your own mind, you're allowed to think for yourself. If everyone would agree to everything, it gets rather boring.

BUT, the developers have a standard, everyone (including themselves) have to keep that standard in mind while developing.

AND, as long as you stay respectful, listen to what is said to you and do something with the advice you get, I think you'll come a very long way.

But if you don't really pay attention and/or disregard advice and be stubborn about things, well..................






________________
But this thread is about French Hope, not about the FH2 standards / requirements ;).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 25-05-2012, 11:05:52
Back on topic: I wonder if there is any french stuff made (weapons, vehicles, maybe player model)? I'm sure i saw some french toys in game changlelog! Maybe showing something will work as incentive and will back up french hope team with fresh mappers?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 25-05-2012, 13:05:04
Like was said earlier in another thread. Doing vehicles is not too difficult. What takes time and is hard-ass work, is mapping.

So I'm glad French Hope chose the right approach - And with all the statics done for Normandy, I tihnk you really have a lot of options.

Although, some new statics are required for early war France. And there might be unreleased, never-used statics made at the time for Normandy.

Perhaps it a good thing to speak to the devs since it might help make your maps more unique and less recycled like lots of tourney maps.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-05-2012, 15:05:57
Yeah, btw, some statics can be down really quickly :

For example, the french tents are in beige :
- the big ones looks like the Us ones
- the small ones (for soldiers) are like gerpuptent.
Maybe we should also do some radios, blackboards, early antitanks obstacles.

Also, we need to do some french vehicles in statics, to put them in bases, or some destroyed ones in road with civils vehicles and stuffs already existing), and early german soldiers (reskin in panzergrau for vehicles and statics)

In my opinion, everyone will be glad to see one or two vehicles already done for the French Army.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 25-05-2012, 16:05:49
Those are minor detail things that can be added after a map is tested and found to be worthy of addition. Anway showing the french stuff would lead to expectations that the devs are working on that theatre when they aren't.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-05-2012, 18:05:47
We are for them.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 20-06-2012, 22:06:13
Could someone re-upload the French Hope maps from page 37? or PM me the files. I really want to play those 3 maps but the link doesn't work.

please...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: GIJordncc1701d on 21-06-2012, 07:06:57
I would also love to try this out, but megaupload.com is being blocked in the US because our government is retarded  :'(

I'm really glad to see this area is being focused on by someone. I've been playing FH2 for about two years now and have recently gotten involved in the forums. The early war stuff is really my favorite.

Thanks for all the hard work!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 22-06-2012, 02:06:03
Yeah it's blocked everywhere, it's so stupid. I'd be keen to try out these maps too.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 22-06-2012, 14:06:26
Will send a link soon.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 22-06-2012, 14:06:39
YAY!  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: GIJordncc1701d on 22-06-2012, 20:06:16
Thanks! I look forward to playing it!  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 22-06-2012, 21:06:38
Will the link also include the custom models, like the Panhard 178?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 23-06-2012, 02:06:18
Err i will try to find the latest of the mappack !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 23-06-2012, 02:06:24
You still have the maps right? .... RIGHT?!  :'(
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: 0utlaw on 23-06-2012, 04:06:05
have you guys presented any of your content to WaW?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 23-06-2012, 09:06:04
their whole content was presented on public beta test so anyone who was interested could see it.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Paasky on 23-06-2012, 10:06:20
their whole content was presented on public beta test so anyone who was interested could see it.
Link please? I'd really like to see the new skin you made for my pan-pan :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 23-06-2012, 17:06:04
You still have the maps right? .... RIGHT?!  :'(

Yes we still have it, but we have many versions ^^
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 24-06-2012, 02:06:16
Yes we still have it, but we have many versions ^^

So you will upload the latest version of all of the maps?

Are there any huge changes to them?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 24-06-2012, 03:06:06
 This would be perfect for Thursday Nights.

 WAW you guys should host French Hope maps this Thursday. What better way to test them out.



 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-06-2012, 12:06:10
Yes we still have it, but we have many versions ^^

So you will upload the latest version of all of the maps?

Are there any huge changes to them?

Not so huge changes.

And then...Enjoy.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s0gxzd (http://www.sendspace.com/file/s0gxzd)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 24-06-2012, 15:06:45
Thank you so much!  ;D
I will check out the maps later.
Also, have the Devs seen Stonne yet?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 24-06-2012, 15:06:15
yes
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-06-2012, 16:06:03
Yes they have, but i'm working on a new version following their tips.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 24-06-2012, 18:06:12
Wow these maps are very detailed and amazing!
I enjoyed the custom Panhard too.

But for some reason, La Varde keeps crashing to desktop, I think it's missing it's mapdata.
And I was really looking forward to that map. :(

Also, will you release your other maps too to the public?
(Stonne, Bir Hakeim, Phoney War, etc.)

Lastly, what was the devs opinion on Stonne?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-06-2012, 18:06:36
I'll look after the pb on La Varde. try the 32 or 16 version in conquest.
The devs opinion on Stonne was really good, but it lacks the FH2 atmospher. I'm trying to adding it and then send it to the devs.

Maps like Phoney War, Bir Hakeim, etc need to be finished, and i'm really focused on Stonne, so i don't have any time to spend on those maps, for the moment.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 24-06-2012, 18:06:50
I'll look after the pb on La Varde. try the 32 or 16 version in conquest.
The devs opinion on Stonne was really good, but it lacks the FH2 atmospher. I'm trying to adding it and then send it to the devs.

Maps like Phoney War, Bir Hakeim, etc need to be finished, and i'm really focused on Stonne, so i don't have any time to spend on those maps, for the moment.

Ok, i'll try the 16/32 player version.

Also good luck on Stonne.
We want to see that map in the mod! ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 24-06-2012, 18:06:49
No luck, La Varde keeps crashing.  :(
Anyone else have this problem?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 24-06-2012, 21:06:24
you're right, the mapdata.py is missing, will fix it soon.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 24-06-2012, 23:06:49
Great!  :)
Can't wait to play La Varde!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 26-06-2012, 02:06:51
Also, will you upload Stonne to the public like the other 3 maps, or will you secretly give it to the Devs for next patch?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: GIJordncc1701d on 26-06-2012, 05:06:21
I'm going to do a review of Operation Dynamo and Breakthrough at Sedan.

Sedan

I love this map! I especially liked the bridge that spawns when you capture the base. That is a cool feature. Sedan itself is very nice, I like the fact that there are quite a few buildings you can go inside. My one suggestion with the town is maybe put a few more flags in there to give it some more value (or possibly make this a push mode map, it would be good for push mode in my opinion). The amount of German tanks is good, it is a pretty accurate depiction of the amount of tanks the Germans used. I loved the detail on the vegetation and the historical accuracy. A very nice map, definitely worthy of release with FH2.

Dynamo

Not surprisingly, I love this map too! The scale of it (and Sedan) is really good. I'm a fan of large maps with a mixture of towns and field combat. My favorite part, regarding historical accuracy, is the beach control point with all the trucks (lorries) surrounding it. I have nothing negative at all to say about this map other than the sand dunes could be a bit more tan (however, you all are the ones who live in France, and I've never been to that area of France before, so you all probably know more than I  ;D )

Overall I love both of the maps! I would love to play Le Varde as soon as it is fixed! Your team is producing very good material and will look forward to and be proud to play it in the future and see it as a part of FH2.

Best regards,
GIJord
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-06-2012, 23:06:34
Also, will you upload Stonne to the public like the other 3 maps, or will you secretly give it to the Devs for next patch?

Surely both =P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 27-06-2012, 00:06:33
Also, will you upload Stonne to the public like the other 3 maps, or will you secretly give it to the Devs for next patch?

Surely both =P
;D

How much percent is the map complete?
Also, did you find the La Varde mapdata?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-06-2012, 16:06:40
Here are the latest version of the mappack :

http://www.sendspace.com/file/23amr9

The push on La Varde is made in cq32, so you must play sedan and dynamo on cq64 and la varde on cq32.

You MUST delete the old folder of La Varde and replace it by the new one.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 28-06-2012, 17:06:44
Here are the latest version of the mappack :

http://www.sendspace.com/file/23amr9

The push on La Varde is made in cq32, so you must play sedan and dynamo on cq64 and la varde on cq32.

You MUST delete the old folder of La Varde and replace it by the new one.

Thank you!
La Varde is beautiful! Just wish someone could add AI to them since there is no server running these maps.

So CptdeS35, after you're finished Stonne
will you rework on the other maps (Sedan,Varde,Dynamo)
or Continue the others (Hakeim,Phoney War)
or make any new maps?  ;D

Good luck on Stonne, maybe you and Snoox should be devs!  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-06-2012, 19:06:31
If i finish stonne (I WILL) and if it is released in FH2, i will first rework on Sedan, Dynamo, La Varde (add french stuff, maybe try one or two new gameplay layout).


MODDB LINK (dont forget to read the description !)
(http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/downloads/1/45/44270/thumb_620x2000/previewmappack1.jpg) (http://www.moddb.com/addons/french-hope-first-mappack)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 28-06-2012, 20:06:49
Mappack no.1?
Will there be more?
 :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-06-2012, 21:06:45
Errr...i hope so ^^' but i will not be able to do it alone !

maybe we will do a special mappack for the Team Contact Mappack !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 28-06-2012, 21:06:08
Team contact mappack?
What is that?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-06-2012, 21:06:40
This mappack, made by the team contact (a french team for FH2, RO2..., in the past it was organizing "sur le front" event) include several maps like bloody beach

(http://img42.xooimage.com/files/b/b/d/mappackv2.01pres3-235379f.png)

But we will see that in the future.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 28-06-2012, 21:06:34
They made those maps!?  :o

Well good luck,
Keep posting updates on Stonne!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gurdy on 30-06-2012, 02:06:52
Yeah, I'm very eager to see Stonne develop!  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [WaW]TC|Avrojet on 01-07-2012, 12:07:08
Is it ok for you if WaW organizes a public event using the 3 French hope maps?

Is Mappack version 2.0 (with St. Fromond etc) available yet?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-07-2012, 15:07:56
Ok for the event, no pb. Will be glad to see players on those maps ! If possible, please give us a feedback so we can correct mistakes and wrong things for a new version.

I will ask my team for the 2nd Mappack.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-07-2012, 18:07:47
Second mappack?!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [KamiKaze] Destroyer on 01-07-2012, 18:07:28
Yes, i guess i missed the first =) Isint it better to make one big map pack instead of making small ones? with all kind of maps? ;P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-07-2012, 21:07:41
Well the "2nd mappack" is not a french hope mappack.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-07-2012, 23:07:13
Man, I just can't wait to see Stonne in a future update with all the french stuff!  ;D
Maybe Sedan too, no pressure though.

Map looks pretty good from the screenshots.
Is the gameplay good?
Can we see more pictures?
Or an overview with the control points?

Sorry for all the questions, I love early war material.  ::)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 02-07-2012, 00:07:08
Pizzaboy, calm down. You won't see Stonne with french stuff (made by devs) before it will get into official build so don't get overexcited because it may never happen or will happen far in the future. Also it's impossible to say much about gameplay withour proper testing of map. Mapper can design gameplay but without beta testers he can't say much about it because it's rather hard to predict behaviour of 64 ppl.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 02-07-2012, 00:07:23
its kinda My say so, where that map goes kurator :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 02-07-2012, 00:07:29
but it's not your say so where french stuff will go.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 02-07-2012, 00:07:42
Im sorry, I'm just a bit hyper.
Maybe I should take a nap..
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-07-2012, 00:07:05
Is the gameplay good?
Can we see more pictures?
Or an overview with the control points?

To me the gameplay gets all this chances, but as Sn00x and kurator said we need a beta test. I can dispose of a server for this point, and i hope devs will participate too !

More picture ? Well, if there is nothing interesting to show, i won't post something !

As soon as the map is (to me) finished, i will post a major news. Here you will have all you wanna know. Until that, be patient  ;)

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 02-07-2012, 00:07:01
Take your time CptdeS35,
I hope the quality of the map is good.

Also, do you need any
other programs beside BF2editor
to map?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 03-07-2012, 23:07:45
Just looked here:

http://www.moddb.com/company/french-hope/images/battle-for-stonne-1940#imagebox

97% complete!?  :o
What else are you adding to the map?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 04-07-2012, 00:07:56
I'm adding the little things that gives an FH2 feeling : chairs, tables, gardens...also a flag seems really harsh to defend : there were only one broken house, one trench...and it was the first flag to cap. I'm adding some barricades to give a challenge to gerries. "You wanna this flag ? Roll on our bodies first."
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 04-07-2012, 00:07:35
Will you add push mode to it?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 04-07-2012, 01:07:48
In my opinion it's not needed, but beta test will prove if i'm right or not.

The topography and the gameplay may prevent back capping. We will see in a full server.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 04-07-2012, 01:07:48
that flag wasnt really supposed to be a real "flag" its just something to get people fast into action, and it is supposed to be captured fast  :) i just never got to detail it.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-07-2012, 08:07:03
True, i know you've done it as a relay for german. But yeah. It has to fall quickly.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 05-07-2012, 12:07:33
My gut feeling is that the drive times from some of the flags are going to kill it, unless you moved the mainbases closer to the center. But it also dependes on how (if) you make forward spawning vehicles so that you dont have to drive from the mainbases each time you die. Like the Panzer_Division mainbase, where you have to cross half the map to get to crossroads, wich is the only flag you can attack from it anyway.

edit: i just noticed theres a dirt road going from panzer_div to farm thats not on the map, still thats a hell of a drive, I think I would claw my face off if I drove tank all the way from A8 to B2 and got blown up. I suggest moving the panzer div main flag to B5, to cut down drive time.

edit2: I'm playing a version from 2011-08
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-07-2012, 13:07:40
But it also dependes on how (if) you make forward spawning vehicles so that you dont have to drive from the mainbases each time you die.

Already done in this version

i just noticed theres a dirt road going from panzer_div to farm thats not on the map, still thats a hell of a drive, I think I would claw my face off if I drove tank all the way from A8 to B2 and got blown up. I suggest moving the panzer div main flag to B5, to cut down drive time.

Will take a look at this suggestion. btw, this dirt road will allow gerries to flank a little bit french forces.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 05-07-2012, 14:07:40
This map is getting me more excited!  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Herc on 13-07-2012, 17:07:18
In 2.45 you can find in the files a French Army version of the Citroen 11cv
Perhaps the first official fh2 French army vehicle available in the mod

Now you can scout your WIP maps in true French style :D

For object templates the vehicle name is:

"Citroen_11cv_fr"

Merci

(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/Herc_Images/citroen_11cv_fr2.jpg)

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 13-07-2012, 18:07:12
Wow! Amazing model. Where will it be used?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Herc on 13-07-2012, 18:07:29
This particular version is not being used in this update however it is available to use in custom maps.

Other variants of the Citroen 11cv are in a number of maps

Luttich - rusty wreck variant
Port en bessin - peach with gloss paint
Sfakia - cream 2 tone variant
Bocage - German army version
Probably more I forgot..

They have all been re-worked since the last update.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 13-07-2012, 19:07:00
i made forwardspawnpoints with vehicles a long time ago, both closer to the farm And between the panzer division and gross deutschland. i dont know if this is in the version you guys are playing
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 13-07-2012, 21:07:00
In 2.45 you can find in the files a French Army version of the Citroen 11cv
Perhaps the first official fh2 French army vehicle available in the mod

Now you can scout your WIP maps in true French style :D

For object templates the vehicle name is:

"Citroen_11cv_fr"

Merci

(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/Herc_Images/citroen_11cv_fr2.jpg)

Nice one <3 !  Nice to see you've made some search (camo and marking ( yellow rectangle for the infantry))

I've posted it on the french hope moddb page : http://www.moddb.com/company/french-hope/images/citron-11cv-traction-avant-de-liaison (http://www.moddb.com/company/french-hope/images/citron-11cv-traction-avant-de-liaison)

here you can find more informations of the motorisation of the french army (great book, in french)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21307424/Massin-L-Automobile-Sous-l-Uniforme-1939-1940 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/21307424/Massin-L-Automobile-Sous-l-Uniforme-1939-1940)

i made forwardspawnpoints with vehicles a long time ago, both closer to the farm And between the panzer division and gross deutschland. i dont know if this is in the version you guys are playing

I've this version, seems they aren't.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 14-07-2012, 21:07:10
Nice!  8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 15-07-2012, 20:07:04
Nothing is like driving WaW tournaments R71 bike in the forests of Stonne  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 15-07-2012, 21:07:21
Maybe driving with this ?

Terrot 500 Type R

(http://terrot.dijon.free.fr/PhotoQZ/Bourdin.jpg) or its AT version...(http://genieminiature.com/pages%20motos%20mili/G4.jpg)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 15-07-2012, 23:07:08
Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 16-07-2012, 00:07:05
Maybe driving with this ?

Terrot 500 Type R

(http://terrot.dijon.free.fr/PhotoQZ/Bourdin.jpg) or its AT version...(http://genieminiature.com/pages%20motos%20mili/G4.jpg)

only if it comes with a sidecar!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 17-07-2012, 22:07:55
These markings?

(http://france1940.free.fr/images/cards.gif)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Strat_84 on 17-07-2012, 22:07:42
Nope, these are markings showing which is the squad of the tank. You can find that on both cavalry and infantry tank units.  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 17-07-2012, 22:07:49
Then what markings did you mean?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 18-07-2012, 00:07:07
(http://img86.xooimage.com/files/0/c/e/citroen-366dcef.jpg) (http://contact.xooit.com/image/86/0/c/e/citroen-366dcef.jpg.htm)

This camo is wierd, it was current on requisitionned vehicles

162e RI is talking about those marking : They were printed in front of the vehicles depending on which army they were involved (air, artillery, cavalry, infantry...) You can see that the Traction avant is now marked with the infantry one.

(http://img86.xooimage.com/files/4/9/3/marques-366dd1a.jpg) (http://contact.xooit.com/image/86/4/9/3/marques-366dd1a.jpg.htm)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 18-07-2012, 02:07:25
Didn't know that.

There were are some more French vehicles/equipment in changelog!  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 20-07-2012, 00:07:46
Also CptdeS35,

If you fix the Stonne crash could you do the same to the other 3 maps
to be 2.45 - compatible?

Did you find out how to fix it?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 20-07-2012, 00:07:10
I've not tested the 3 other maps yet, i'll check and fix it asap.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 21-07-2012, 19:07:41
Remember to check our moddb page and images for some "stonne'ing" news  :P

Soon we will made a public test day, for two maps : Stonne (I hope it will be 99% finished) and Warsaw Uprising. This test may probably take place at the end of July (or beginning of August)

I'll fix the first mappack this weekend.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-07-2012, 21:07:09
Looks promising.  :)

But shouldn't "Stonne North" be called "Stonne South"?
Since north is at the bottom.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 21-07-2012, 22:07:32
Is the map pack compatible with 2.45? Oh, and I heard a rumor that some French Hope maps might be adopted by the mod?  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-07-2012, 22:07:16
Maps!?
You mean more than one?  8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 21-07-2012, 22:07:18
But shouldn't "Stonne North" be called "Stonne South"?
Since north is at the bottom.

hum yeah  ;D corrected !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-07-2012, 22:07:23
This map looks almost official!  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 21-07-2012, 22:07:12
afaik North is on the bottom because this map is upside-down when compare to the map of the real terrain. Just look at the google maps.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 21-07-2012, 23:07:14
This map looks almost official!  ;D

Well it isn't. If one day you see an FH2 Dev "Stonne is implemented", then i'll be (http://www.bayernzone.com/images/smilies/meme/CerealSpitting.png)

Victory is not for tomorrow  ;) and the map is not 100% finished. (yeah 98% now...)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-07-2012, 23:07:16
Well done sir, keep up the good work.

(http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/906205/80859531.gif)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 21-07-2012, 23:07:20
Maps!?
You mean more than one?  8)

um, Is stonne the only one in developement? cause I've seen Sedan too.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-07-2012, 23:07:23
Stonne is the only one being developed right now,


There is a lower chance for Sedan,
but it could be implemented...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 21-07-2012, 23:07:00
Stonne is the only one being developed right now,


There is a lower chance for Sedan,
but it could be implemented...

oh... ::) pardon me. Im new to this topic.  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 21-07-2012, 23:07:08
Stonne is the only one being developed right now,


There is a lower chance for Sedan,
but it could be implemented...

oh... ::) pardon me. Im new to this topic.  :)

Sedan, Dynamo and La Varde are not like FH2 standards for the moment. So FH2 devs decided to not implement them.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-07-2012, 23:07:39
That reminds me,

Have you patched those 3 maps?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 21-07-2012, 23:07:17
As i said above, not yet, will do it before Monday.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-07-2012, 23:07:42
Excellent!
Good luck on Stonne!
I'm looking forward to that second mappack.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 22-07-2012, 20:07:13
Here it is ! First Mappack with 2.45 compatibility !

You must need moddb to approuve it, but it's done ! It's still the same link though =P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 22-07-2012, 23:07:09
Yes!

Now I must wait for that second one.  ;)


EDIT: August 3rd!? I'm there!
Will it only run Stonne/Warsaw
or is there any other maps that will be played?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 25-07-2012, 02:07:02
http://www.moddb.com/company/french-hope/images/battle-for-stonne-1940#imagebox

99% complete!!  ;D
I can't wait!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 25-07-2012, 17:07:15
Erm, I know its a bit late to ask but; will this map contain French playermodels and weapons?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 25-07-2012, 19:07:29
Erm, I know its a bit late to ask but; will this map contain French playermodels and weapons?
No, not until it's approved by devs to be an official map. Interesting changes. You made farm an uncap, won't this make the flanking throu the forrest kinda pointless? also for the public test, make sure that you have kits that are somewhat similar to what french will/might have. Like giving allies Boys/Sticky might affect the balance when French probably wont have Boys and certainly not sticky.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 25-07-2012, 19:07:53
French also probably wouldn't have smgs.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 25-07-2012, 20:07:03
They could have a Mas-38
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 25-07-2012, 20:07:56
Not used very often, maybe pickup kit.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 25-07-2012, 21:07:59
Probably.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-07-2012, 21:07:26
Erm, I know its a bit late to ask but; will this map contain French playermodels and weapons?
No, not until it's approved by devs to be an official map. Interesting changes. You made farm an uncap, won't this make the flanking throu the forrest kinda pointless? also for the public test, make sure that you have kits that are somewhat similar to what french will/might have. Like giving allies Boys/Sticky might affect the balance when French probably wont have Boys and certainly not sticky.

yep don't worry i think about that =P

No there will not be french stuff (at least there will be the pan pan)

The flanking through the forest is a short cut, but it allows only infantry to ambush and sneak around pain de sucre (squad leader spawn if the road is well defended by french for example).

But the test will tell if i'm wrong or not.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Andromahkos on 25-07-2012, 22:07:50
Pretty cool!!!  This will be an exciting mod!!! 

What kind of statics are you needing for maps?

I am currently trying to figure out how the whole bf2/fh2 modeling workflow works... I currently have been working mostly in Maya (I am an animation student), but I did a lot of model modification in gmax for bf1942, but all I did there was push and pull vertices, not really generate any original stuff.

The link below is an Sdkfz 234/3 I did last semester for game art assets class.  I modeled and textured the whole vehicle from the reference image shown in black and whiate at the bottom of the image.

here is the link:
http://flic.kr/p/cDzW9N
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Alakazou on 25-07-2012, 22:07:52
French hope is not really a mod but a community who try to create French map and then give it to Fh2 team. By community I mean CptdeS35

Lâche pas mon Cptdes35
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 25-07-2012, 22:07:13
A one man team! xD  :P
Where did everyone go?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 25-07-2012, 22:07:44
A one man team! xD  :P
Where did everyone go?

Well some people give up, some stopped the fight...but most of the team are behind me, ready to help me at any need. Well i say French Hope Team, since, without them, i won't be showing you that, and i won't be able to do that.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 25-07-2012, 22:07:33
Pretty cool!!!  This will be an exciting mod!!! 

What kind of statics are you needing for maps?

I am currently trying to figure out how the whole bf2/fh2 modeling workflow works... I currently have been working mostly in Maya (I am an animation student), but I did a lot of model modification in gmax for bf1942, but all I did there was push and pull vertices, not really generate any original stuff.

The link below is an Sdkfz 234/3 I did last semester for game art assets class.  I modeled and textured the whole vehicle from the reference image shown in black and whiate at the bottom of the image.

here is the link:
http://flic.kr/p/cDzW9N
FH team really needs statics modelers if you are interested
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/news.php?id_news=408
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 25-07-2012, 22:07:48
If there will be a French faction in the mod,
will it be French and British kits?

Like in Tunis or Sidi Rezegh there are Italian and German kits.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Gurdy on 26-07-2012, 00:07:12
Pretty cool!!!  This will be an exciting mod!!! 

What kind of statics are you needing for maps?

I am currently trying to figure out how the whole bf2/fh2 modeling workflow works... I currently have been working mostly in Maya (I am an animation student), but I did a lot of model modification in gmax for bf1942, but all I did there was push and pull vertices, not really generate any original stuff.

The link below is an Sdkfz 234/3 I did last semester for game art assets class.  I modeled and textured the whole vehicle from the reference image shown in black and whiate at the bottom of the image.

here is the link:
http://flic.kr/p/cDzW9N (http://flic.kr/p/cDzW9N)
FH team really needs statics modelers if you are interested
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/news.php?id_news=408 (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/news.php?id_news=408)
Of course, we are always looking for 3d artists that are interested and willing to help us out!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Andromahkos on 26-07-2012, 00:07:27
Well, I am free for about the next 3 weeks, then back to school, but I might have time during the fall semester.  I should not be completely consumed with school work... and a French mod sounds very interesting to me.

I may need a little assistance in the beginning to make sure I am following your standards, but once I get into it, there shouldn't be any problems.

Here is a short little bio...
I have done all sorts of coding mods on FH2 for personal private mods. 

I know photoshop as well, I have CS5.5 and an older version that does dds, as well as GIMP.  I have also worked with Maya quite a bit, and have some beginner knowledge of 3dsMax/Gmax and Milkshape 3D.

In my modding I have also played a bit with sound effects.

Just a little bit more...  I have been modding games for well over 10 years, I have worked on personal mods for the Total War series, for BF2, FH2, BF1942, BG42, FH1, Theater of War, and lots of Star Wars games  ;D

I have never been a part of a modding team formally, so I would be excited to help you  guys out, as I am a big fan of FH2.

If you guys think I could help you, I would be honored.  Just let me know what I need to do to help you out. 

P.S.  I also had a guy PM me about doing a french tanker helmet as well.

Thanks for your time.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-07-2012, 01:07:29
If there will be a French faction in the mod,
will it be French and British kits?

Like in Tunis or Sidi Rezegh there are Italian and German kits.

I hope it will be historically accurate (no brits in stonne for example)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 26-07-2012, 02:07:09
 Talk to Nemesis about testing his 96 player code on Stonne this weekend.



 8)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 26-07-2012, 02:07:31
So Stonne is just France vs Germany?
Well what about Sedan?
Did British fight in Sedan?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-07-2012, 08:07:36
British expeditionnary forces were involved with french in the norwegian expedition, also during the dyle plan (enter in belgium to defend france) and during operation dynamo. After, it's desert war...

For the 96p i dont think its necessary, the map must be tested in 64p before all.

PS : just one question...can french soldiers look like them ?

(http://www.otakia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/7_eme_Compagnie.jpg)

PLLLLLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 31-07-2012, 00:07:29
Do you have a specific time on August 4th when you will give us the
download links or server IP?

Im more excited since I saw this:

http://www.moddb.com/company/french-hope/images/battle-for-stonne-1940#imagebox

 :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 31-07-2012, 10:07:50
When lightmapping will be done, i'll send a download link with a password, the password will be given in the afternoon of the 4th, since the test is planned to start around 18 - 20 GMT
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 31-07-2012, 14:07:26
Password for the server or password for the download?

Also, where will we post feedback of the map?
This thread?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 31-07-2012, 23:07:09
For the download.

A PUBLIC topic is made on www.frenchhope.xooit.com for feedback for EACH map
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-08-2012, 00:08:57
Have you setup the server already?
Is it running just those 2 maps?

Also for Stonne, what tanks will French have?
Since Somua's and Char's arn't here yet?  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-08-2012, 00:08:31
French will have M3 grant, panhard, M3 Stuart.

For the moment i've put a M4a1 for the somua, but i will change this, it's too strong.

The server is not ready since i've got some troubles with lightmaps.

Edit:now its a crusader mk1early instead of m4a1
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-08-2012, 15:08:50
French will have M3 grant, panhard, M3 Stuart.

For the moment i've put a M4a1 for the somua, but i will change this, it's too strong.

The server is not ready since i've got some troubles with lightmaps.

Edit:now its a crusader mk1early instead of m4a1

Why not use the "captured M13/40" like on Sedan,
They both have 47mm and are quite fast.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-08-2012, 21:08:17
Amount of mg on M13/40 will be deadly it think.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-08-2012, 21:08:07
Will the download be a zip. or a exe.?
Or is it a torrent?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-08-2012, 21:08:36
We'll send a zip with 2 folders and a readme file. juts follow the readme ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-08-2012, 21:08:59
Are the 2 folders the maps?  ;D
What website will we have to enter a password to download it?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Slayer on 01-08-2012, 22:08:33
Haha pizzzaman12, relax dude. All your questions will be answered when the files get posted.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [KamiKaze] Destroyer on 01-08-2012, 22:08:00
Yes =) We will make sure all info reaches you before the 4th august in details =)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-08-2012, 23:08:47
Why do you make us wait!  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 01-08-2012, 23:08:36
Oh this is niiiice!!!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-08-2012, 23:08:40
http://www.moddb.com/games/battlefield-2/news/french-hope-battle-for-stonne-1940


I'm impressed,  :)
You have the minimap, the loading screen, the description, "the map"
,the combatants, also ingame screenshots!

It looks so official! But all it needs are models!  ;D
(Calm down pizzzaman, calm down)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Slayer on 01-08-2012, 23:08:55
(Calm down pizzzaman, calm down)
Ah, I see you're getting there ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 02-08-2012, 00:08:28
[whine]
Tbh I was hoping that Pain de Sucre had been made more interesting than still just a sandbag circle. No AT, no trench or tank traps etc, just a lone barrel to fight over :P
[/whine]
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-08-2012, 01:08:42
[whine]
Tbh I was hoping that Pain de Sucre had been made more interesting than still just a sandbag circle. No AT, no trench or tank traps etc, just a lone barrel to fight over :P
[/whine]

Well, for the first fight for pain de sucre you don't get so many things. but pain de sucre switched hands many times during this battle, so AT and AA spawn after the first cap.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 02-08-2012, 12:08:22
Interesting, so Axis gets AA=allies have planes now?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-08-2012, 13:08:44
No, but allies can take axis aa on pain de sucre -> that's the goal.

But you will see the gameplay on saturday =P i won't tell more !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 02-08-2012, 16:08:15
One thing I dont understand is, why is the north at bottom and south at the top?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 02-08-2012, 16:08:15
One thing I dont understand is, why is the north at bottom and south at the top?
Because original mapper liked it this way. North is where acutal Stonne North should be, it was told somewhere on one of 60 pages of this thread that it's feels better gameplay wise or something and he rotated original terrain.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 02-08-2012, 17:08:01
http://www.moddb.com/company/french-hope/images/battle-for-stonne-1940#imagebox

99% complete!!  ;D
I can't wait!
I had a very strange dream that I was playtesting this map last night, I was manning a machine gun in a huge Char 1B tank.  haha
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 02-08-2012, 17:08:30
its nice to see that people are this interested in my map! really makes me wanna redesign pain de something into a more awesome flag. * got it pictured in my mind *
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 02-08-2012, 19:08:45
Do it do it do it.

Stonne was an absolutely fun map to play in the couple of beta sessions we had. With some special toys of course.  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-08-2012, 20:08:00
Sure Pain de Sucre need some changes...but imo we need 1940 pics to change this cp.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 02-08-2012, 21:08:01
I think it looks decent but at least 1 AT gun would be nice...
But it looks nice without it also.  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-08-2012, 21:08:04
As i said before, AT and AA Gun spawn after the cap, and they stay all the battle long.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 02-08-2012, 21:08:09
Have you got the download ready for tomorrow?  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-08-2012, 21:08:59
I will not sleep, since i can't do lightmaps on my pc. But yeah the download will be ready for tomorrow
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 02-08-2012, 22:08:21
So, we will have one day to look at the map
then Saturday it's testing time?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 04-08-2012, 00:08:24

The password will be given at 17h00 GMST (18h00 CEST) on August 4th

French Hope Second Mappack - MODDB Link
(http://button.moddb.com/download/medium/45328.png) (http://www.moddb.com/addons/french-hope-second-mappack)

French Hope Second Mappack - SendSpace Link
(http://img89.xooimage.com/files/7/b/d/downloadbutton-36da8b3.png) (http://www.sendspace.com/file/nkxy6k)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 04-08-2012, 18:08:43
Here it is :

The password is :

cassoulet

please download this hotfix, so polish helmet can appear correctly in client :

http://www.mediafire.com/?wvcwoiba330k33k
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 05-08-2012, 02:08:22
I have good news!  ;D
If only it was true...

(Damn I suck at editing)

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Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 05-08-2012, 09:08:07
Wow!!! Is it official now?!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 05-08-2012, 12:08:44
Dude, read before you write.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 05-08-2012, 14:08:13
Oh crap I forgot to put the name Stonne in it!  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-08-2012, 17:08:14
I have good news!  ;D
If only it was true...

(Damn I suck at editing)

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Photoshop, and you start dreaming XD
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 05-08-2012, 17:08:21
Hold on, i'll add the word Stonne!  ;)

PS: I use MS paint!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 05-08-2012, 18:08:31
It's (un)Official!
 ;)

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Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-08-2012, 18:08:36
Come on, in french we say "ne faisons pas de plans sur la comète", or "ne vendons pas la peau de l'ours avant de l'avoir tué", so in english it means that we must not say victory before the finish line.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 05-08-2012, 18:08:57
I wish the victory is near  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 05-08-2012, 18:08:18
Are we testing again?
It was fun!  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 05-08-2012, 18:08:07
Are we testing again?
It was fun!  :D

Aggreed. Another test would be good.  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TuscanGangster on 05-08-2012, 19:08:58
I would be up for it.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 05-08-2012, 21:08:00
 Yes but need more than 30 to test the map.

 Is there a 32 player version of Stonne?


 After playing Stonne, the german tank advantage is basically null due to the route needed to get anywhere.

 French dominated yesterdays test.


 French biased?


 :o
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 05-08-2012, 22:08:56
Maybe we will do another test, when this 130 server would be down, and after some changes.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 05-08-2012, 22:08:29
Maybe we will do another test, when this 130 server would be down, and after some changes.

Please do because I missed nearly 3/4 of the Warsaw gameplay and I was only able to join the fight on the last flag.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 06-08-2012, 23:08:08
Have you made some changes to the map yet?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 06-08-2012, 23:08:50
have you started to cure your hyperactivity disorder yet?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 06-08-2012, 23:08:11
What?
too soon?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 06-08-2012, 23:08:39
have you started to cure your hyperactivity disorder yet?

I think that jan wanna say that you shouldn't post all your thoughts ;) and  yes i'm working on it.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: radiosmersh on 07-08-2012, 14:08:26
Hello! I am representating VBIOS server. I wnat to ask you a permission to use maps from 1st and 2nd Mappack on our server, as they are awesome and very intersting. Thanks!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 07-08-2012, 14:08:48
You can, but wait i'll put some fixes on each maps. Will tell you when it's ok.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Chad1992 on 08-08-2012, 05:08:59
I just checkout the Stonne map, and im hooked.  I am really hoping that some minor nations get into this game.  France is among one of the nations that doesnt get into alot of games. FH2 would be a great place to let the French shine.  I hope the devs respect the work put into this map and others and eventually let the French (and others) into the game.  I know there focused on the eastern front, but thats a ways off and including the French would be a nice treat.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Biiviz on 08-08-2012, 12:08:58
The thing I like most about the French as a faction in FH2 is how they have their own firearms, artillery, tanks, vehicles, uniforms, language, etc. Makes for a unique experience.

The commonwealth nations, for example, differ so very little from each other. They all have mostly British weaponry and only really differ from one another in accent and uniform. The Italians suffered from the same in the early versions, but now they provide a completely different experience from the German faction.

Keep up the good work and hopefully we'll see the French in FH2 one day.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: radiosmersh on 10-08-2012, 12:08:19
I've solved problem with HUD_TEXT_MENU_SPAWN. I looked up in the localization file and found their string:
HUD_TEAMNAME_FRA           FRANCE
HUD_TEXT_MENU_SPAWN_ARMY_FRA   FRANCE
EOR_winningteam_fra           FRANCE WON THE ROUND
EOR_bestFRAsquad               BEST FRENCH FIRETEAM
ARMY_FRA                     French Army

So, i changed string "FR" to "FRA" in Init.con? which is located in server.zip. Next, i changed all folders with name "FR" in menu.zip to "FRA".

Screenshot:
(http://rghost.ru/39696463/image.png)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 10-08-2012, 13:08:05
But now the map isn't consistent with what's on the server, don't know if it'll still work online now.

Better was to just change the localization, as that's only a clientside thing :).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [KamiKaze] Destroyer on 10-08-2012, 14:08:24
Yes, better dont change anything, just let CptdeS35 know of the bugs and let him fix it =)

So we dont have 300 diffrent versions of same map! =)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 11-08-2012, 15:08:28
Do you think the Devs will like the map? 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Ts4EVER on 11-08-2012, 16:08:39
Yes, of all French Hope maps it's clearly the best. Doesn't mean they will work on it though...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TuscanGangster on 11-08-2012, 16:08:18
Yes, of all French Hope maps it's clearly the best. Doesn't mean they will work on it though...
They certainly will, you have my word. ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 11-08-2012, 20:08:48
And how much is your word worth?  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 15-08-2012, 22:08:08
Did the devs give feedback of the map?
Was it positive?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 15-08-2012, 23:08:48
For the moment we've tested another version of Stonne made by a dev (on sn00x's one basis). But the feedback is quite good. Can't say more  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 15-08-2012, 23:08:11
So....
Now what?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 15-08-2012, 23:08:39
Gonna test it this week ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 16-08-2012, 00:08:05
Gonna test it this week ;)

The new version, right?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Cheesus Krighst on 19-08-2012, 01:08:05
When can we see another french hope test? I missed the first one and don't want to miss the next.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 19-08-2012, 02:08:07
I'm afraid we might never see another test of those maps again.  :(
Stonne is off to be in the mod,
But Warsaw Uprising might get more tests.

Also if CtpdeS35 reworks previous maps like
Sedan or Dunkirk, we might have another
test on our hands.  :)

But for now, don't expect to see a test recently,
unless they change their minds to!  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Biiviz on 19-08-2012, 11:08:21
Stonne is off to be in the mod,

Source?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 19-08-2012, 14:08:04
LOL  ??? , I don't know if my map is good enough for FH2. Devs haven't send their approuval and i think it gonna take a long time.

Btw, if Warsaw is tested soon (it will) you'll be able to play stonne in 16 players (just for fun ;))
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 19-08-2012, 14:08:15
Stonne is off to be in the mod,

Source?

Source is here:

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/126/055/lied.gif?1306191204
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 19-08-2012, 14:08:56
Lied.gif kinda ruins it.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 19-08-2012, 17:08:22
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/242/7/e/Tactical_Facepalm_by_Ghost1334652.jpg)

please talk about relevant things on this topic...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 19-08-2012, 19:08:26
I think I know what test map E is...  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 19-08-2012, 19:08:53
I think I know what test map E is...  ;D

?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 19-08-2012, 19:08:40
Look at Test server...
Cpt Bocquier is playing...
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 19-08-2012, 19:08:56
Hmm.... Cpt. bocquier is playing on testmap F.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 19-08-2012, 19:08:26
It was E before....
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: [KamiKaze] Destroyer on 19-08-2012, 21:08:44
I'm afraid we might never see another test of those maps again.  :(
Stonne is off to be in the mod,
But Warsaw Uprising might get more tests.

Also if CtpdeS35 reworks previous maps like
Sedan or Dunkirk, we might have another
test on our hands.  :)

But for now, don't expect to see a test recently,
unless they change their minds to!  ;)

Dont worry, there will be more testes! ;) But no date set yet =)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 20-08-2012, 00:08:36
since my server manager is not responding, the date can't be set for the moment
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 20-08-2012, 15:08:27
Was Stonne Test map E,
or Test map F?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 20-08-2012, 15:08:09
Or perhaps A? Hmm the plot thickens.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: psykfallet on 20-08-2012, 18:08:38
Was Stonne Test map E,
or Test map F?
The point of those names is that you don't know  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Damaso on 20-08-2012, 19:08:48
man,  realy good, i realy apreciate your hard work guys!

But now, i need to make a question:

Does this will be an apart mod? like if we play FH2 we dont play French Hope? or it will be with FH2?

maybe it should be with FH2, cause in that way, that will make FH2 more interesting, and you dont need to change wole game to play French hope, anyway you guys know, and hope for more surprises like this one :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 20-08-2012, 20:08:49
i like where this is going.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 20-08-2012, 22:08:34
maybe it should be with FH2, cause in that way, that will make FH2 more interesting, and you dont need to change wole game to play French hope, anyway you guys know, and hope for more surprises like this one :D

Yeah that's the goal. French Hope into FH2.  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 20-08-2012, 23:08:19
But has the goal been achieved yet?  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 20-08-2012, 23:08:39
 My curiosity and excitement levels are rising....  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 21-08-2012, 00:08:41
But has the goal been achieved yet?  ;)
and do you have any french map in game?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Stubbfan on 21-08-2012, 00:08:35
God.. we need lightning in here! Where are you?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-08-2012, 00:08:06
I'm going to start avoiding this thread for
a while, it seems that anything I say
turns to $hit.  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 21-08-2012, 09:08:47
I think it more likely FH2 will make its own French maps.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t4oY2AFkthw/SwLEYkwSiRI/AAAAAAAAFMk/MOQqAzDs1ig/s1600/dreamcrusher.jpg)

 Its all there Pizza...sorry man but your dreams have been officially crushed!!!!


 :-*
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Krätzer on 21-08-2012, 10:08:33
But if an French Hope Dev is working in favour for FH2 it´s French Hope in FH2.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: NTH on 22-08-2012, 12:08:26
Since this topic isn't about French Hope anymore  ::) What are those guys doing in the Tactical Facepalm picture?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 30-08-2012, 07:08:44
Hi CptdeS35, I just wanted to tell you some things about the 16player version of Stonne: First of all I think this map is good for skirmishes and has some nice ideas.

As we tested for like ten minutes yesterday, there won't be too much information to give. Here some things:
-The smoke on the outskirts and the church drops my FPS quite a bit; don't know if this is my laptop
 overheating or bugging but I never had location-related FPS - drops.
-There is missing lightning in the church; it looks to bright.
-Some of the (really good) propaganda "posters" (I'm in a hurry and cannot look every word up, sorry) lack lightning too I think.

Otherwise, nice maplayer so far :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 30-08-2012, 09:08:05
 Well...ok

 Go ahead and break out Dynamo 200+

(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXKVUQ7Oxocq6IWMjT2d_PqyfNRQNGoM-FhPfi0R7abqX-Z1kScg)


 :D

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 30-08-2012, 13:08:08
Hi CptdeS35, I just wanted to tell you some things about the 16player version of Stonne: First of all I think this map is good for skirmishes and has some nice ideas.

As we tested for like ten minutes yesterday, there won't be too much information to give. Here some things:
-The smoke on the outskirts and the church drops my FPS quite a bit; don't know if this is my laptop
 overheating or bugging but I never had location-related FPS - drops.
-There is missing lightning in the church; it looks to bright.
-Some of the (really good) propaganda "posters" (I'm in a hurry and cannot look every word up, sorry) lack lightning too I think.

Otherwise, nice maplayer so far :)

Thanks for the feedback, i've made stonne in 16 since, imo, fighting in close quarters in the ruins is damn cool. The church and the posters doesn't generate lights/shadows, since their custom statics (well the church is an un used FH2 one).
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 18-10-2012, 15:10:24
Havent heard anything for a while. Anything new you're planning?  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 18-10-2012, 21:10:09
Oh, they're planning something....
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 19-10-2012, 05:10:29
 This is about to be placed in a folder along with 1944 D-DAY : Operation Overlord


 :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 19-10-2012, 06:10:49
  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Tuco on 19-10-2012, 06:10:53
This is about to be placed in a folder along with 1944 D-DAY : Operation Overlord


 :P

Idk what else to think about that project other then its a scam. Get a few people to donate with the promise they will see some exclusive development thats been held out from the rest of the public for what, half a decade? 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Nissi on 19-10-2012, 08:10:55
What?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Natty on 19-10-2012, 08:10:42
Nissi, they're talking about some other mythical game that never became reality, not French Hope  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Nissi on 19-10-2012, 09:10:15
Ah! I see.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Tuco on 20-10-2012, 05:10:07
Yup another game, still greatly looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 20-10-2012, 07:10:11
is french hope still being developed?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: den75 on 20-10-2012, 16:10:22
hi, I think a french hope was abandoned, I was in this project.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 20-10-2012, 21:10:36
It seems like Bocquier is still working on Stonne.
Though the picture is from August 31st...(http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/271/270816/screen349.png)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 20-10-2012, 23:10:33
 This thread was started May 2010.

Thats not counting the development prior to the announcement which is over a year.....



Nothing to see here.....move along.....
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-10-2012, 15:10:07
Perhaps CptdeS35 is consumed by too much school work and cannot work on the mod?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Slayer on 21-10-2012, 17:10:03
Perhaps CptdeS35 is consumed by too much school work and cannot work on the mod?
Even if he is still working on something, better assume French Hope isn't gonna see the light of day. By posting stuff like "Oh, they're planning something...." you raise expectations without even knowing what's going on with French Hope.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 21-10-2012, 17:10:05
Thats what I do.  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Slayer on 21-10-2012, 18:10:06
Yeah, I noticed. Please don't.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 22-10-2012, 00:10:25
As Lamb of God so nicely put it, Laid to rest.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 23-10-2012, 23:10:20
(http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13284.0;attach=4353;image)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 26-12-2012, 01:12:34
Hi mates, first Merr Christmas to everyone here !

Just saying that as some budies said before, i'm really busy at school now, so i can't work on French Hope for the moment. At the end of February i'll be back to work.

Cya mates
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 26-12-2012, 01:12:35
That is some great news!  :) Happy Christmas to you too CptdeS35,

(Also, Turkishcommando will go nuts from your post)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 26-12-2012, 06:12:46
Hooraay! Its a christmas miracle!  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 27-12-2012, 18:12:42
Moddb links are re-actualized (they were broken), you will soon be able to download again the mappacks.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 27-12-2012, 19:12:09
2.45 compatible. Awesome!
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 28-12-2012, 01:12:02
Links are ok now  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 02-03-2013, 15:03:47
We are at the end on February (actually it's March), what is your status CptdeS35?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-03-2013, 16:03:36
I'm there =)

For the moment, i'm trying to redo the layout on dynamo and sedan (so they can be better appreciate by the community).
Also i'm looking at a guy who knows how to start a map, but don't have enough time and patience to finish it.
i've got a good idea, but i'm better at finishing a map than starting it !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 03-03-2013, 14:03:07
 Cant you just release what you have, hold an event to test maps & then work on fine tuning the maps for a later release.

 I mapped with BF42 & can tell you i know for a fact you can release a 1 map mod...

 
 Anyway thanks for your effort thus far........
 I would really like a Dynamo (128) test one day.......


 8)
   
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 03-03-2013, 14:03:12
At the moment, i really can't release dynamo and sedan. After getting back to work, i've walked a few on the maps...and yes it was more like PR than FH2. i didn't get the feeling of FH2...since in 1 map, there were the possibility to make at least 2 maps !

I'm working on sedan today. The goal of the map will be for the germans to advance to the banks of the meuse and make a floating bridge, and for the french to defend and destroy it at all coast !

Dunno if there will be french air bombing for the moment ;) (just image that fight...plenty of AAs and luftwaffe against french bombers and airplane...A SLAUGHER !)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Roughbeak on 03-03-2013, 15:03:11
This French Hope is a really good mini-mod for FH2 :), but Stonne loading music blew me out of this world ;D..great work French Hope devs  ;). Hope this will come into FH2 someday  8) 
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 03-03-2013, 17:03:03
I hope so for all the fallens !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sockboy on 03-03-2013, 21:03:43
Hi Cpt.

Is there any chance of single player support for those interesting French Hope maps as a project for someone with the SP mapping skills? id love to play Stonne or Sedan in Single player...would love some more quality single player maps.

All the best...

sockboy
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 03-03-2013, 21:03:46
Hi Cpt.

Is there any chance of single player support for those interesting French Hope maps as a project for someone with the SP mapping skills? id love to play Stonne or Sedan in Single player...would love some more quality single player maps.

All the best...

sockboy

Yeah definately French Hope stuff would be awesome to play in SP. ;D

My request of Warsaw Uprising getting navmeshed is still open for voulenteers by the way. Anyone with SP skills and free time is welcome
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 03-03-2013, 22:03:27
Lol Navmeshing Warsaw would be like navmeshing into cassoulet or choucroute.

Of course, i'd like to see some people who can navmesh a proper gameplay !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 04-03-2013, 08:03:28
At the moment, i really can't release dynamo and sedan. After getting back to work, i've walked a few on the maps...and yes it was more like PR than FH2. i didn't get the feeling of FH2...since in 1 map, there were the possibility to make at least 2 maps !
Maybe you could give the maps to PR: Normandy then
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 04-03-2013, 10:03:20
First i'll rework on them.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 30-03-2013, 17:03:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4WzBsvK_lA&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4WzBsvK_lA&feature=player_embedded)

Just for you guys !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 30-03-2013, 17:03:59
So you will be adding this?  :D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 30-03-2013, 17:03:14
So you will be adding this?  :D
I don't think so
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 30-03-2013, 18:03:31
Then why show us a video?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 30-03-2013, 18:03:05
Then why show us a video?
why not?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Chad1992 on 30-03-2013, 19:03:37
Then why show us a video?
why not?
Why for?  ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: AfterDune on 30-03-2013, 20:03:09
Wifi?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 31-03-2013, 20:03:54
Then why show us a video?

Just to say i'm still working. Also since some of us doesn't know really well the french army as others like us, german, etc...it's nice to discover some vehicles or weapons still "living"
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 01-04-2013, 00:04:22
Have you finished Stonne? I thought that was the "top priority" map.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 01-04-2013, 01:04:15
 I think its time for a French Hope beta test......

 Do you have about 3-5 playable maps?


 Set it up for about 2 weeks from now and get some good feedback.


Come on lets have some fun
 ;)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 01-04-2013, 01:04:16
I think its time for a French Hope beta test......
I bet that CptdeS35 thinks something else otherwise HE would inform you.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 01-04-2013, 01:04:35
I think its time for a French Hope beta test......
I bet that CptdeS35 thinks something else otherwise HE would inform you.

 Why so negative all the time jan? Perhaps HE will share his thoughts after my thought provoking post.


 ;)

Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 01-04-2013, 02:04:00
Why so negative all the time jan? Perhaps HE will share his thoughts after my thought provoking post.


 ;)
maybe I know his thoughts?  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: djinn on 01-04-2013, 02:04:56
Why so negative all the time jan? Perhaps HE will share his thoughts after my thought provoking post.


 ;)
maybe I know his thoughts?  :P

Who's on first?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Chad1992 on 01-04-2013, 03:04:16
Whats on second?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sn00x on 01-04-2013, 14:04:08
I think its time for a French Hope beta test......
I bet that CptdeS35 thinks something else otherwise HE would inform you.

 Why so negative all the time jan? Perhaps HE will share his thoughts after my thought provoking post.


 ;)

Nevermind him, he's a fucking dickhead to everyone.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 01-04-2013, 16:04:57
lol calm down ^^'

as every one know i'm workin' alone on 3-4 maps but i need someone who can start a map to get a new interesting stuff to the project. it's just for the start of the map, i got all the layout and informations. i can finish a map, but i can't really start it.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: TASSER on 03-04-2013, 04:04:32
Word of encouragement:

I've been following French Hope on and off for the past year and frankly I'm thrilled that you're still on the case, CptdeS35. Far too many promising FH projects have drifted off into obscurity, its great to see that you're still devoted to bringing the maps to fruition. There's a lot of people who want to see this succeed and are rooting for ya, don't ever forget that :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: CptdeS35 on 03-04-2013, 12:04:33
Thanks guy, those words are now graved in my heart !
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: sockboy on 03-04-2013, 15:04:35
Hi Cpt.

I really hope that at some point the excellent looking maps from 'French Hope' can get single player support so I can play them without being online so from that aspect im very glad the French Hope Mod is still in operation and hopefully will make more maps in the future.

All the best...

Rab ;0)

Fife
Scotland
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 11-06-2013, 07:06:12
Why does this mod always make want to say loudly ... VIA LA FRANCE !!! .... while smoking a strong cigarette ?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: BaskaBommi on 11-06-2013, 08:06:34
Why does this mod always make want to say loudly ... VIA LA FRANCE !!! .... while smoking a strong cigarette ?
Because France is kickass. And so is the French Hope mod.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 11-06-2013, 12:06:07
It would be "Vive la France!" I guess :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 11-06-2013, 12:06:53
Anything new in French Hope?  :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 11-06-2013, 23:06:30
It would be "Vive la France!" I guess :P

It was all that French Cognac I had before ...  :P
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 12-06-2013, 10:06:53
Anything new in French Hope?  :)
It's pretty safe to assume in this case that if they aren't showing anything, there isn't anything new.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 12-06-2013, 11:06:32
Devs havent been showing anything for a while, but they got a whole Eastern Front under construction. Where is your god now, huh?  ;D
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 12-06-2013, 19:06:16
Have you see the Map Pack ? - http://frenchhope.xooit.com/t84-Mappack-1-French-Hope.htm
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 12-06-2013, 19:06:20
Yes I did, but that was long ago.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: pizzzaman on 14-06-2013, 14:06:51
I can't wait to see what the reworked Sedan looks like.   :)
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Turkish007 on 14-06-2013, 14:06:12
Yeah and dont forget Stonne, and of course Phoney War.  :D French Hope really excites me.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 16-06-2013, 04:06:42
Devs havent been showing anything for a while, but they got a whole Eastern Front under construction. Where is your god now, huh?  ;D
Yeaaaah but they've actually been showing stuff.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Skalacy on 23-02-2017, 18:02:50
Anyone alive here?
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: jan_kurator on 23-02-2017, 19:02:38
It's been dead for a long time now. Let this topic rest in peace, mate.
Title: Re: French Hope
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 23-02-2017, 19:02:11
(https://media.tenor.co/images/d812fa8fad1a13d7e7b1f82251d9f3df/raw)