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Off-Topic => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Invincible on 23-04-2010, 01:04:20
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The great and very original threat name says it all:
This threat is to discus and post pictures of World war II Vehicles,weapons and equipment used after the war.
Also Vehicles witch are made by a country and used against its previous owners.
To start with, Today I was reading about Syria using allot of World war II German vehicles during there war on Israel.
(http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mcnelly/msh/images/historical_photos/Syrian_PzIV_1967.jpg)
"As France increased it's sales of equipment to Israel in the 1950's it felt compelled to supply more useful equipment to the Syrians to maintain a balance between the two nations. To this end a number of reconditioned German vehicles were supplied in some numbers. These included PzKpfw IV Ausf H and a limited number of Stug IIIs and JadgPanzer IVs. However, as the Syrian moved to the left the French influence was replaced by that of the Soviets. This "new" Soviet equipment included initially numbers of T-34/85s which along with the PzIVH were involved in the 1964 "Winter War". This in turn resulted in the supply of T-54s to replace the T-34s.
By 1967 the Syrians fielded some 750 tanks and 585 APCs. At least one mechanised Brigade was formed using BTR-152s and two Armoured Brigades which Zaloga describes as "primarily" equipped with T-54 and T-55s. Churchill indicates an additional armoured brigade was transferred to the Golan Front on June 5th 1967. Zaloga provides a summary of the more unusual ex-German vehicles in Syrian service. It would seem that France supplied 40 reconditioned vehicles consisting of PzKpfw IV, Jagdpanzer IV and Stug IIIs. Later more PzKpfw IVs were purchased from Czechoslovakia and Spain. In his book, Tank Battles of the Middle East Wars Part One, are photographs of Syrian Jagdpanzer IVs (stated they had 6), Hummels (5), Stug III G (28) and Panzer IVs from France (28)."
(http://i28.tinypic.com/riulns.jpg)
(http://i26.tinypic.com/35alvuh.jpg)
(http://www.davidpride.com/Israeli_Armor/images/IL_Armor_04_311.jpg)
Interesting Quote from a other board:
The last Pz.IV to be destroyed in action was killed by an Israeli Sherman mounting a French 'long 75mm gun' (itself a post-war derivative of the main gun of the wartime PzKw V Panther).
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Shouldnt it be "post-war" then?
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Finnish Pre-War Panzer IV's d "Nelonen":
(http://www.panssariprikaati.fi/img/historia/30-1.jpg)
(http://www.panssariprikaati.fi/img/historia/31-1.jpg)
Finnish STUG III:
(http://www.panssariprikaati.fi/img/historia/32-1.jpg)
(http://www.panssariprikaati.fi/img/historia/32-2.jpg)
Swedish Köningstiger:
"Swedish" SdKfz. 182 "King Tiger"
A Swedish delegation was sent to France in 1946, with the purpose to investigate and commission German WW2 AFVs. A visit took place in Versailles where a depot with Panther tanks was inspected. Most of them were meant to be scrapped, while others had been sold. The Swedish delegation was offered to choose between three Panther tanks. The French State reported that they were willing to give away the Panther, and so the one in best condition was chosen. (This Pz.Bef.Wg. Panther Ausf. A was then shipped to Sweden and tested until 1961 when it was given to the Panzermuseum Munster in Germany, where it is on display today). In the same time as the inspection of the Panther tank was made, selected Swedish officers followed a group of French officers to Normandy on October 4th 1946, looking for a Tiger. They traveled through Nantes, Evreux and Lisieur to the Vimontiere area. A totally burnt out King Tiger (of sPz.Abt. 503, 1. Kompanie) was found, but since Sweden wanted to perform AT-mine and firing trials upon it, this Tiger was overlooked. The French promised to continue the search for a suitable vehicle, not costing Sweden a dime. By the end of August of 1947, the military attaché in Paris claimed that a Tiger II has been found in good condition (no damage from fire). It was located in Gien, south of Paris.
Scandinavian Express was ordered to have the King Tiger transported to KAFT in Stockholm. On November 27th of 1947, the King Tiger was loaded off in Stockholm harbor. It was then being sent to the P4 regiment in Skövde. According to Inventory reports of P4 in December 1947, the King Tiger was there. As the workshop finally started to restore it a German egg-type handgrenade was found in the engine room. It had never detonated, presumably the tank had been quickly abandoned on the battlefield. The handgrenade was removed and blown up nearby in the workshop area. The engine was replaced, and the King Tiger was prepared for its first driving tests.
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/articles/images/swektiger.jpg)
The restored King Tiger in the P4 regiments workshop area.
It was soon tested in the workshop area, by the impressed workers. During these early tests, the arm holding the idler wheel was damaged as one in the group steered to roughly in sand outside the workshop. It was quickly fixed, but now people had to be more careful as the program was changed. The transport to PcK in Karlsborg (testing area) was delayed due to this accident. Between September 24th and September 29th 1948, the King Tiger was to be moved from P4 regt. to PcK in Karlsborg, on rail to the village of Finneröja and there from on road to PcK. This was never realized due to the accident with the idler wheel arm that was broken earlier. Then it became a towing/recovery transport instead. A M26 "Dragon Wagon" truck was then needed. On November 11th 1948, it was suggested to remove the 88mm KwK43 L/71 before firing trials were made on the King Tiger. Eventually, there were possibilities in the future to buy 88mm ammo, enabling Sweden to perform tests with this potent weapon as well. The transport took place between November 10th and November 15th 1948. It should be seen as one of the toughest road transports ever made in the country of Sweden, and only the exact planning and performance of the people involved enabled the transport to be realized. Just outside the entrance road to PcK, it was decided to make a shortcut right through the woody area, instead of cornering a 120-degree crossroad, which most probably had totally ruined the road. The damage made to the woods cost them only 30:- SEK, while a 120 degree cornering on paved road would have caused a lot more material damage and expenses. The total cost of the transport was estimated to about 10.000:- SEK. The total weight of the transport was 160 tons, some 1.700hp was involved and 6.000 liters of gasoline were used up. The length of the transport totaled 60km, and the involved vehicles were:
1 x M4 Sherman (w/o turret)
1 x M26 Dragon Wagon (truck only)
1 x Terrängdragbil (Tgb) m/46
1 x 10-ton Recovery vehicle
1 x Fuel truck
2 x Automobiles for personnel
4 x Motorcycles
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/articles/images/swektiger_2.jpg)
On the way to PcK in Karlsborg, November 1948.
Photo courtesy of SPHF.
In mid-April of 1949, it was decided that firing trials were to be made on the King Tiger and a Sherman tank with various weapons and mines. During November and December of 1949, various tests were made with rocket and grenade launchers, and the new Swedish Pvkv m/43 tank destroyer tried its 75mm gun on both the King Tiger and Sherman tanks. It is said that after the tests were finalized, the remains of the King Tiger could have been loaded in the back seat of an old VW "Bug". This is partially true, it was really shot up far beyond repair. The hull was scrapped, while the turret was sent to the exercise field at Kråk, where it was shot up during various training missions. The 88mm KwK43 L/71 was kept in a depot at PcK. It was later sent to Bofors in Karlskoga, where it remained until late 1980's. It was scrapped approx. 14 days before staff personnel from the Swedish Armour Historical Society (SPHF) asked about it. Had they have been 3 weeks earlier, this gun could eventually have been on display in the Swedish Armor Museum at Axvall today.
What German unit did the Swedish "King Tiger" belong to originally?
Mr. Christer Baadstöe has put down a lot of work in tracking down what unit "our" King Tiger originally belonged to. The first 5 series produced King Tigers Fgst. # 280001-05 were delivered to PanzerKompanie Funklenk 316 on March 14th of 1944. sPz.Abt. 503, 1. Kompanie received 12 King Tigers Fgst. # 280023-35 on June 12th of 1944. sPz. Abt. 503, 3. Kompanie received a total of 14 King Tigers on July 27th and July 29th of 1944. The "Swedish" King Tiger is an early type with Porsche turret. It had a one piece monobloc gun tube, binocular "Turmzeilfernrohr 9b/1" sighting telescope, armored covers over the wading equipment, odd exhaust pipes (probably field conversion), the "S2" marking remains a mystery. My personal guess is that it was built in February 1944. Mr. Christer Baadstöe were helped by Mr. Wolfgang Schneider, and is now 99% sure that the "Swedish" King Tiger was vehicle #12 of PanzerKompanie Funklenk 316.
Swedish Vehicle evaluations:
(http://preservedtanks.com/Handler.ashx?PhotoID=59&Size=L&Dir=~/Albums&File=Scan_Stug_Axvall_RearRight_Axvall_c.jpg)
Interesting picture, witch I really would like know more about:
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7342/fakia2008128pn4.jpg)
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the last picture is a real torture to watch at... :'(
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the last picture is a real torture to watch at... :'(
That picture was taken in 2008!
I would gladly invest time and money and take one of those wrecks...
Where did you find that picture, Invincible?
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Bulgarian army Panzer IV's, these were dug in along the border with Turkey during the cold war. On the orders of the Bulgarian MOD they were recovered, IIRC something like seventeen AFVs in total mainly Panzer IV Ausf.G/H/J plus a couple of StuG IIIG's and a Jagdpanzer IV.
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Wow looks like everything but the gun and the shell must have been gutted. Still with that many panzer 4's a small production run of running gear (tracks/wheels) would be a nice investment for some rich reanactor types. Slap in a readily available current engine and you have a nice gaggle of PIV's.
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the Jagdpanzer 38(t) a.k.a. "Hetzer" served in the swiss army until 1970 with only few changes to the tank:
- added muzzle break
- removed remote MG and resplaced by optics
- commander and loader changed position to increase ergonomic
- gasoline engine was exchange with diesel engine.
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In the first post, your third picture is a JagdPanzer Kanone, build in 1965 by the west german army after they where aloud to use tanks and such again. It not not WW2 at all. It uses A 90mm Canon. Just to let you know that it should not be in this tread :)
Now, lets see. I have some Bulgaria pics, not many tough. A real shame to see.
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5308/81778684cd8.jpg)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8774/42164332wh4.jpg)
Now when i saw this is was even more sad... Finnish army shooting range.....
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8309/17307cb268f2.jpg)
Shame on you guys, seriously, how could you do that???
I have some more pics of shermans and grayhounds and many more taken out in Iraq, but on a different pc, will post them in the next few days probably.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/M4_A3_Sherman_Turanj.jpg/800px-M4_A3_Sherman_Turanj.jpg)
This sherman was used by the Croatian army during the Yugoslav wars (1990-1995)
The thing behind is an M36 also used by us ;)
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Sorry Siben but that is something on the base of a Panzer IV, look and count the road wheels.
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It's a Jagdpanzer IV.
the Jagdpanzer 38(t) a.k.a. "Hetzer" served in the swiss army until 1970 with only few changes to the tank:
- added muzzle break
- removed remote MG and resplaced by optics
- commander and loader changed position to increase ergonomic
- gasoline engine was exchange with diesel engine.
These were Czech ST-I's, built post war.
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Yes, i know now, i was way confused because i did not know there was a shortbarreled one. I do now :)
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(http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200803/r234099_939201.jpg)
Relic: A rusting German World War II Panzer IV tank is half-buried in the ground on Bulgaria's southern border.
Bulgarian Stug's:
(http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/bulgaria/Bul-Stug3-SO75.jpg)
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3163/p3040224xy3.jpg)
Another one from Siben's serie:
(http://afp.google.com/media/ALeqM5iivyB1DCA4M9x1v0XUQy2ah4ofTg?size=m)
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06JT5vF3Vdakf/610x.jpg)
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Thats...just...not...right!!
Post some happy panzers!
These make me sad :'(
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Yes, i know now, i was way confused because i did not know there was a shortbarreled one. I do now :)
Technically there isn't a long barreled version, the one armed with the 7.5cm KwK 42 L/70 (as used in the Panther) were called Panzer IV/70(A/V). The Panzer IV/70(V) was issued to Panzer and Panzerjager units, while the Panzer IV/70(A) was issued to Panzer and StuG units, and likely Panzerjager units as well.
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Thats...just...not...right!!
Post some happy panzers!
These make me sad :'(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnJvo1RTlmY ;D
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Here is one happy grayhound in current use :)
I believe this to be the Chillian army, not 100% sure tough.
This configuration could have been WW2, the parts where there in the period i think.
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9231/csydm8aaa10y9vt.jpg)
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Quad .50 cal on a Greyhound. Nice combo!
Good for some alternate history person, and yes Siben, would have been possible in WW2 if they ever came up with it.
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(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/American%20Armor%20Foundation%20Museum/PanzerIVtank.jpg)
Panzer IV in the American Armor Foundation Museum in Danville, Virginia. This tank was sold to Syria after WW2, captured by Israel in the Six-Day War and sold to the museum.
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/American%20Armor%20Foundation%20Museum/M18Hellcat.jpg)
M18 Hellcat in the same museum. This tank was sold to Yugoslavia after the war and saw combat in Bosnia, before being captured by NATO in 1995 and sold to the museum.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/M4_A3_Sherman_Turanj.jpg/800px-M4_A3_Sherman_Turanj.jpg)
This sherman was used by the Croatian army during the Yugoslav wars (1990-1995)
The thing behind is an M36 also used by us ;)
That's pretty awesome if this Sherman really was used as recently as 1995 ... any way to back it up?
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Panzer IV in the American Armor Foundation Museum in Danville, Virginia. This tank was sold to Syria after WW2, captured by Israel in the Six-Day War and sold to the museum.
M18 Hellcat in the same museum. This tank was sold to Yugoslavia after the war and saw combat in Bosnia, before being captured by NATO in 1995 and sold to the museum.
It makes me so happy to see history treated so well, after it was in such danger of being lost.
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Here is a T34/85 that was used there in vukovar, croatia, 1991
(http://s57.radikal.ru/i156/0905/8e/f989018d78d2.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Dan12345_2006/09-unisteni-tenk.jpg)
Also, this:
(http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Galleries/2530-2/7113.jpg)
Various Pak Army Chaffee tanks captured after the Battle of Boyra on 21 November 1971.
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The Mandela Way tank in London.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Bermondsey_Tank.jpg/800px-Bermondsey_Tank.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Graffiti4hire-tank.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/PinkTank20050326_2.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/MandelaWayT34.jpg)
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So wait, those things just sit around? Nobody even protects em or nothin?
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It's the same tank in all three pics, people are encouraged to go paint it.
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]That's pretty awesome if this Sherman really was used as recently as 1995 ... any way to back it up?
Well those pic are taken in the Croatian War of Independence museum so yeah they were.
http://www.ka-net.net/muzej/eksponati.html
This is the link to the museum's webpage.
The page is kinda on Croatian but I think google could help you out on that one :)
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It's the same tank in all three pics, people are encouraged to go paint it.
I'm tempted to take it, then restore it :/
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It's the same tank in all three pics, people are encouraged to go paint it.
I'm tempted to take it, then restore it :/
As much as we are all tank buffs, old tanks are still just pieces of metal. In this case, this tank has become a part of public "art," which I think is really cool.
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Here is one happy grayhound in current use :)
I believe this to be the Chillian army, not 100% sure tough.
This configuration could have been WW2, the parts where there in the period i think.
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9231/csydm8aaa10y9vt.jpg)
Columbian. See the flag.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Bermondsey_Tank.jpg/800px-Bermondsey_Tank.jpg)
I really like the painting on this one!
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Somewhere in Serbia, present day.
(http://images.imagehotel.net/dhqlpncxve.jpg)
(http://images.imagehotel.net/ow7nj7jra6.jpg)
Archer tank, Egypt, 1995
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album413/abz.sized.jpg)
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album413/aca.sized.jpg)
I have no idea where or when, but it looks recent.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j185/pantera_04/3d35627f4dee7057c20dc1484c71e5c0o.jpg)
Sakhalin - kuriles
(http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/4987/ttttzm3.jpg)
Somewhere in Russia, present day.
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/741/t2gd7.jpg)
Not a clue where, but looks recent.
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/483/t5fp9.jpg)
Somewhere....
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6614/post1220737078nr7.jpg)
More to come, next week maybe...
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(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4896/m3625uv3.jpg)
Dutch L-180 Landsverk armored Command Car captured by German Forces.
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=156927)
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=157028)
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=210326)
DAF M39 in Poland. (Dutch-made Vehicles all captured unharmed by the Germans).
These vehicle where supposed the best, the dutch had to offer.
With a topspeed of 75 km/h,A 37 mm Bofors cannon and 3 extra lewis guns, gave it good specifications for there time. 13 where build and while the Germans attacked in may 1940 they where on the moves towards Rotterdam, they never came in time. non survived the war :(.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M39_Pantserwagen
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1339/nederlandpic1uj7.jpg)
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6807/beutehollandm39.jpg)
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=201381)
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=210365)
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I think in post war shermans are those the most powerful ones...
Revenge?
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Heinkel_He_111H_captured_at_Boxted_UK_June_1945.jpg)
You can see this is a German He-111 captured and re-purposed with USAAF markings. Picture is more than likely modern, but the caption says this was shot down and converted during the war.
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This Heinkel, a He 111H-20/R1 paratroop transport was acquired by the USAAF in May 1945, it now resides in the RAF Museum Hendon, one of a handful of complete, original He 111's worldwide.
The history of the aircraft:
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/collections/aircraft/aircraft_histories/78-AF-1033%20%20Heinkel%20111.pdf
I have no idea where or when, but it looks recent.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j185/pantera_04/3d35627f4dee7057c20dc1484c71e5c0o.jpg)
Chile, the Sherman is an M51.
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The pitures of those panzers in Rumania make me sad. :(
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The pitures of those panzers in Rumania make me sad. :(
Its just a pile of iron, picture of concentration camps and dead civilians, those make me sad.
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The pitures of those panzers in Rumania make me sad. :(
First thing going through my mind seeing those picture's was: ''Ha!, not so tough looking now, are we?''
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Since I sayed weapons, this is what I came across today, should make you guys happy!:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/8w007s.jpg)
Members of the Civilian Auxilliary Forces Geographical Unit, a militia group under the command of the Philippine Army, leave their detachment guarding a small village for a routine foot patrol near the provincial capitol of southern Maguindanao province on the eve of national and local elections on May 9, 2010. Armed with World War II-era M-1 Garand rifles, the government militiamen are helping to secure the elections amid intense rivalry among candidates that has made politics a bloodsport in the Philippines.
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For some strange reason I'd like to be a Philippine citizen.
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For some strange reason I'd like to be a Philippine citizen.
I'd have to agree...
The phillipines so much more appealing to go to now..
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Quote from: :| Hi on 24-04-2010, 19:04:42
I'm tempted to take it, then restore it :/
Good luck getting that tank out of London Plan your escape route here (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Pages+Walk+London&sll=51.498599,-0.0757&sspn=0.019369,0.038581&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Page%27s+Walk,+London+SE1,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.493168,-0.082569&spn=0.009686,0.01929&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.4931,-0.082668&panoid=CIVjjnxV7aoy7EsTIdrKzA&cbp=12,183.92,,0,5.7)
You'd be better off trying to steal the F1A from Jeermey Clarksons front lawn.
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Lol, if you ask for directions to get from that tank to Exeter by walking, it takes you via Guernsey ???
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Panther tanks in the french army.
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3117/frenchpanther.jpg)
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http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4896/m3625uv3.jpg
Seems to have a strange turret, or lacking a gun?
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Small alteration the Belgian army did to T16 Universal carriers (made in Canada, '43 till '45) in the 50's. They gave it a 90mm Gun. This could have been an allied hetzer if they would have modified it earlier :p
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/petrus_maximus/Misc/CATI_3.jpg)
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I wonder how good that machine performed
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damn that thing would have been epic in ww2, with for example a 76mm gun on it! woah!
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http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4896/m3625uv3.jpg
Seems to have a strange turret, or lacking a gun?
Maybe the guy is in front of the gun, as it isn't that impressive in size or maybe it's removed because as Invincible said, it's a command version. Can't confirm that but I'll trust his sources ;D
Look a tiny puny gun:
(http://www.landsverk-m38.nl/images/m38_landsverk_klein.jpg)
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SU-100 incident, Moscow, few day ago.
(http://englishrussia.com/images/overturned_tank/1.jpg)
(http://media.englishrussia.com/overturned_tank/4.jpg)
(http://media.englishrussia.com/overturned_tank/5.jpg)
(http://media.englishrussia.com/overturned_tank/6.jpg)
(http://media.englishrussia.com/overturned_tank/7.jpg)
(http://media.englishrussia.com/overturned_tank/8.jpg)
(http://media.englishrussia.com/overturned_tank/9.jpg)
More victory parade pictures.
(http://media.englishrussia.com/victory_parade/9.jpg)
(http://media.englishrussia.com/victory_parade/10.jpg)
(http://media.englishrussia.com/victory_parade/12.jpg)
Just tought i should share it here :)
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Small alteration the Belgian army did to T16 Universal carriers (made in Canada, '43 till '45) in the 50's. They gave it a 90mm Gun. This could have been an allied hetzer if they would have modified it earlier :p
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/petrus_maximus/Misc/CATI_3.jpg)
It's actually based on a Loyd Carrier. More akin to Marder than a Hetzer imo.
SU-100 incident, Moscow, few day ago.
(http://englishrussia.com/images/overturned_tank/1.jpg)
How the hell did they manage to do that, i hope the commander didn't come to a squishy fate.
As an aside, the T-34/85's and SU-100's are Model 1969's, hence the T-55 style starfish roadwheels.
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Heh, the evidence is left behind in the bottom left of the corner (look near the telephoning guy's left leg).
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@sillian,: I said Hetzer because it has like twice the speed of the Marder, it is also a lot lower then the Marder.
For the SU-100, it is very likely a loading incident of you ask me, it probably drove improperly on the truck, skid of the side and capsized. That bottle could be the reason for it :p
I did not know they still made those in 1969, lol, i just tought they were WW2.
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I did not know they still made those in 1969, lol, i just tought they were WW2.
Why would they change a completely working design? When it comes obsolete, it's another matter.
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I did not know they still made those in 1969, lol, i just tought they were WW2.
Why would they change a completely working design? When it comes obsolete, it's another matter.
Not quite. Half a minute of wiki-fu gives this explanation:
By the end of 1945, over 57,000 T-34s had been built: 34,780 original T-34 tanks in 1940–44, and another 22,559 T-34-85s in 1944–45 (The Russian Battlefield 1998a, 1998b). --- In 1946, after the war, 2,701 T-34s were built, and large-scale production ceased. Production was restarted under licence in Poland (1951–55) and Czechoslovakia (1951–58), where 1,380 and 3,185 T-34-85s were made, respectively, by 1956. --- In the late 1960s, Soviet T-34-85s underwent a modernization program (T-34-85M) for export and reserve service, being retrofitted with drivetrain components from the T-54/55 series tanks—a testament to the level of standardisation in Soviet tank design.
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A lot of treasures still to be found on Eastern Europe scrapheaps.
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img84.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img106.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img142.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img143.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img158.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img229.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img179.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img243.jpg)
Note: Falschirmjager helmets: Found in a "big holl" in Holland:
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img222.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img220.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img120.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img130.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img157.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img123.jpg)
(http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/bardufoss-IIIN-0030709.jpg)
http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/Exhibits%20list.htm
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Small alteration the Belgian army did to T16 Universal carriers (made in Canada, '43 till '45) in the 50's. They gave it a 90mm Gun. This could have been an allied hetzer if they would have modified it earlier :p
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/petrus_maximus/Misc/CATI_3.jpg)
oh hey take a guess where that one was stationed at
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I don't know, I know there is one in the KLM-MRA in Brussels and probably some more in the Depots of Kapellen and Visenaken.
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nah i mean operational , the shield on the right shows brigade piron lion which means it was stationed in the BSD :)
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Japanese tanks recently unearthed in the Pacific.
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/pohnpeitanks1-vi.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/pohnpeitanks2-vi.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/pohnpeitanks5-vi.jpg)
I have no further info about this.
Australia:
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/bren1.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/bren2.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/bren3.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/stuart.jpg)
Valentine Matilda???
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/tank2-2.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/018-3.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/020.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/021-4.jpg)
The where converted to tractors, or placed for target practice.
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I always tought, that why poorer countries people don't go and take those tanks for recycling? One could get good money for 20 tons of steel ::).
Ofcourse in richer countries those destroyed tanks are usually preseved these days as they have historical value.
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I hope those japanese tanks get restored
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I was at a grenade range at camp Roberts, where we were milling around before an event started. there were two utterly destroyed chassis of American M1 "Combat Car" tanks :(
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Wow, if you can go through this thread w/o sheading a tear...you're heartless. :'( Seeing rusting and forgotten WW2 equiptment makes me sad. It should be a crime; up there w/ animal abuse! Quick, lets assemble a crack rescue team to go recover and restore that armour before it turns into pots and pans! Anyways...
O(n)T: Israel still uses a lot of our retired equiptment, halftracks for example...
(http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac324/Oddball_8/halftrack_lb.jpg)
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A little while back they were selling NOS Israeli tracks for halftracks....you'd be suprissed with all the NOS parts/ equiptment you can still find 70 years after WW2. The production for WW2 was incredible!
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Israel gave a lot of their WW2 equipment to the South Lebanese Army (Israeli-allied Arab army that fought Hezbollah and the PLO) in the 1980s:
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/50686805.jpg)
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/50686801.jpg)
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/50686797.jpg)
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/50686798.jpg)
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/50686722.jpg)
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/50686724.jpg)
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/re3.jpg)
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Im pumped for a trip to japan with enough money to buy a tank XD
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Im pumped for a trip to japan with enough money to buy a tank XD
I probably wouldn't even be able to fit in one of those contraptions...6' 3", 230 lbs. Although it would be cool never-the-less. I doubt they would be able to sell them to you without legal issues, I doubt the weapons have been demilled, even though they probably no longer work anyways. Not to mention I don't know who even owns them now... would the empire of Japan still own them or not, alwell; I don't advocate theiving, but I'd love to just go down and liberate one.
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But i who am 1.69 50 kgms id easilly fit in there and actually there would be room for two of me...I am quite young and quite small sized for my age.
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I would never fit in that tiny tank.
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Damnit!!! That picture of the GRAVEYARD =((((( of Panzers....
They should be restored and used in WWII movies, instead of those ugly, awful, disgusting fakes such as in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RQN3ZQZGO8
or saving private ryan one... and I saw a russian replica of the tiger....wanted to throw up.
some respect, come on!!! Shermans are original, t34...:(
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One of the most devastating vehicles of the war, the Traktor, still sees usage with militant groups in the Caucasus, with a variety of upgrades to meet the demands of modern warfare:
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1584/wartraktor.jpg)
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Even the maus couldn't stand a chance! :o
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Uses a Massey Ferguson MF35 chassis and is armed with a fifty cal. Hot damn! Shoot a moose and tow it back home with one vehicle! (No offense Moose)
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Brazil made an extensive use of the stuarts aquired during and after the war.
"original" m3a1 at museum (long barrel mg?):
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/ITEM_EXTERNO_TANQUE_EXPEDICIONARIO.jpg/800px-ITEM_EXTERNO_TANQUE_EXPEDICIONARIO.jpg)
many stuarts were later upgraded (around the 60s), giving birth to the "veículo de combate leve x1":
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z93/ssalex/BRASILIANISCHE%20ARMEE/X1A/X1A1.jpg)
the x1 were then modified to fit several roles, including mortar carrier, anti air, rocket lancher and bridge layer:
(http://s3.postimage.org/aba_J-0228a15a7fce9d8b7e51107b3b2e76b3.jpg)
(http://s4.postimage.org/NsISi-0228a15a7fce9d8b7e51107b3b2e76b3.jpg)(http://s1.postimage.org/KnqZJ-0228a15a7fce9d8b7e51107b3b2e76b3.jpg)(http://s3.postimage.org/abntr.jpg)
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Its an M2 .50 mg.
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My goodness....I thought I would never say this, but the M3 stuart *can* look damn hot sexy after all!
I think the following tank would have given the original M3 stuart designteam wet dreams for a year :
(http://www.areamilitar.net/DIRECTORIO/im_TER/M5Stuart_X1A2.jpg)
Yes, this IS based on a ww2 stuart...zomg! More than 4x its original range (engine upgrade) , modern 90mm gun, advanced sloped armor and much more....
It looks like a mini-M47 haha!
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Im pumped for a trip to japan with enough money to buy a tank XD
Old Russian ones are cheap, you could by T-55 with 8000. Thought about buying one, would look awesome on the parking lot.
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Im pumped for a trip to japan with enough money to buy a tank XD
Old Russian ones are cheap, you could by T-55 with 8000. Thought about buying one, would look awesome on the parking lot.
Yep
T-55=8000-10 000 $
T-62=15 000
T-34=20 000
The russians have MASSIVE and MASSIVE stocks of weaponary left. And this luck will ensure me going to russia one day for some.....purchases ;)
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Too bad the transport back to Europe or USA will cost you more than the tank, probably...
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I intend to win the lottery then restore it all! bbq party @ my place when done.
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I intend to win the lottery then restore it all! bbq party @ my place when done.
I will be there, Il bring some sand paper and Dutch beer!
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Too bad the transport back to Europe or USA will cost you more than the tank, probably...
You will have a damn Tank who will try to stop you? ;)
8000 for a T-55 ! That sounds nice! Screw the GSXR-1000 k9 im gonna buy one tank!
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Too bad the transport back to Europe or USA will cost you more than the tank, probably...
You will have a damn Tank who will try to stop you? ;)
8000 for a T-55 ! That sounds nice! Screw the GSXR-1000 k9 im gonna buy one tank!
Well, if your in the Service in the United States, you can get things shipped back home pretty cheap with Military discounts and benefits. I know someone who bought a Porsche a will ago in Germany, and had it shipped back to the United States for extremely cheap. He ended up selling it in the States for more than what he paid for it new in Germany. That of course was before all this inflation and economic failure.