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Title: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 22-05-2018, 00:05:29
Today, EA drop a little teaser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dxQKnzAvWY


It seem they go back to ww2

Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Torenico on 22-05-2018, 00:05:31
Do they really want to add a battle royale mode?


God help us all...
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: McCloskey on 22-05-2018, 14:05:58
Do they really want to add a battle royale mode?

I thought that was the new CoD?
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 22-05-2018, 16:05:28
After reading the post by torenico, I did my research and it's only rumor, but not credible one, from what I have seen.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Leopardi on 22-05-2018, 16:05:04
After reading the post by torenico, I did my research and it's only rumor, but not credible one, from what I have seen.
It's obvious, EA is controlled by suitmen looking at telemetry figures, and when they see PUBG suddenly is by far the most sold and played FPS game on the planet, they will jump on the concept.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 23-05-2018, 21:05:36
If you want to follow live the reveal event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg5AOmEv6tQ
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Dancho on 23-05-2018, 22:05:40
It couldn't have been worse tbh...
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: pizzzaman on 23-05-2018, 22:05:32
Lol, wtf did I just watch. How much action and nonsense can you pack into a trailer?
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: McCloskey on 23-05-2018, 22:05:34
One word - Sad.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Wilhelm on 23-05-2018, 23:05:42
I will be buying it...

It looks like a lot of fun like BF1 was, but I will go with Post Scriptum or Hell Let Loose (and FH2  ;) ) for my authentic WW2 fix!
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 23-05-2018, 23:05:14
I will be buying it...

It looks like a lot of fun like BF1 was, but I will go with Post Scriptum or Hell Let Loose (and FH2  ;) ) for my authentic WW2 fix!

Same here ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 23-05-2018, 23:05:09
I had no hopes for this game. They still somehow managed to disappoint me.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Torenico on 24-05-2018, 00:05:30
I wasn't expecting anything from Deadfield V, and I got nothing.

They imitate CoD way too much, they became a yearly game like CoD, the gunplay is ridiculously similar and now customization? What is this?...


The trailer was uninteresting, and quite vomit-inducing. It showed little to no gameplay, all scripted...

What is this supposed to be also?, 1944? but the 109s seem to have 1940 paintjobs... Meh



Now, THIS is how a trailer is supposed to be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk4wEAO07hM



Women also?, I mean, are they trying to look good to feminism?. I know I know, seeing women fighting in a WW2 game seems odd... out of place, hey at least no black nazi soldiers I guess?.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 24-05-2018, 01:05:17
Ugh. I really don't want to keep complaining about this game but I feel like they slapped me in the face personally. :P

I honestly expected something along the lines of BF1 with WW2 stuff. Sure they'd have some crazy guns and soldiers looking a little 'hero-y' but otherwise they'd keep things pretty tame and acknowledge some history. I had hopes this would be the first BF game I'd actually put money into. Instead the trailer makes it look like they took all of the historically inaccurate things from COD:WW2 and dialed it to 11 :-\

Even with all that aside the trailer seemed very poorly made. Lots of chaos and strange things happening with the camera flying all over the place. Not nearly as epic as the BF1 trailer imo.

What almost makes it worse is hearing the rumors for all the new gameplay elements that they plan on adding to the franchise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xegBXGaFrOU&t=1173s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xegBXGaFrOU&t=1173s). Customize your tanks with sandbags, tracks on the side etc... dragging fallen soldiers to cover to heal them. Tow-able weapons like AA and AT. Even the new 'fortification' system seems interesting and sounds like it will really change gameplay from the norm.

I wanted to be slightly immersed when I played the game tho. I could suspend my disbelief with things like experimental weapons, tanks being in strange battlefields where they weren't used etc... but the character customization just seems to put it all through the roof. The player models make the game look like a cartoon. I get like BF Heros or Fortnight vibes when I look at them. It just doesn't seem to mesh with the 'realistic' and 'immersive' art style that they usually go for.

What's worse (or a blessing in disguise) is they've seemed to piss off their hardcore fanboys; the trailer is sitting a almost 50% like v dislike and the comments seem generally negative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZpQadiyqs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZpQadiyqs). And even the BF subreddit doesn't seem generally happy https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/8li9fk/battlefield_v_megathread/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/8li9fk/battlefield_v_megathread/). Makes me think there's a small chance they'll dial back the crazy customization, just like the dialed back the loot crates in Battlefront after the backlash. But that's wishful thinking.

I'm also hoping that the crazy customization is only in some COOP game-mode that they had mentioned, and it will be dialed back in traditional multiplayer. But that also seems wishful.

I'll still watch EA play in a few weeks to see some actual MP gameplay. But damn that shattered my expectations. :D

EDIT: You can def say that I brought the disappointment upon myself for getting hype about the WW2 setting in the first place. And that's true. I was excited for them to go back to WW2 but just... (https://i.imgur.com/LOicMJA.gif)
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: PoliorcetE on 24-05-2018, 11:05:13
hi all
i saw a Stürmtiger 1.30 mn in trailer  ::)
i don't think i buy it
too arcad for me...

A+
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: greenMIKO on 24-05-2018, 17:05:34
Did they say anything about eastern front or will this be another western front only game?
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Mr.ThunderMan on 24-05-2018, 18:05:13
Did they say anything about eastern front or will this be another western front only game?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd61tkHVAAAtAGv.jpg:large

"Launch locations are France, Africa, Rotterdam and North Africa"
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: LuckyOne on 24-05-2018, 18:05:33
Sigh, another Battlefield I'll pass on buying.

Doesn't actually anyone want to make an educational (but fun) game today? I feel all the games lately are pushing a certain political agenda...

I mean ok, represent fighting women in WW2, but at least try to make it believable? Make an Eastern front or a French resistance campaign.
But cyborg Wilma Wallace fighting zombie Nazis? That's just going too far...

Edit: Rewatched and given a close look to the new mechanics and now I'm even more sad. There's a great WW2 game struggling to get out from all that casual SJW crowd pandering...
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 24-05-2018, 18:05:04
From the gameplay point of view, there is a lot of stuff that look really cool. But even I will buy this game, I have to admit that the politically correct stuff and the cuztomisation is bad. But I hope that, like it was said earlier, that the protest will make EA/DICE change that.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 24-05-2018, 23:05:53
I'm very confused about this game right now. The features and the direction of the game, that they talked about in the reveal and told community contributors, sound really good. It seems like they are putting a huge amount of detail into every aspect of the game (movement, destruction, gun play, custimization, etc.) and slowing down gameplay by reducing ammo and health, implementing animations for picking up ammo or reviving etc. and improving squad play. This all sounds great tbh and is exactly the direction Battlefield needs to go (back to).

But then there was the reveal trailer and holy crap that looked like shit. I can only hope it was a big mistake revealing the game this way and that it is not representative of the actual multiplayer experience. We'll just have to wait and see.

Did they say anything about eastern front or will this be another western front only game?

Initial locations are France, The Netherlands and Africa. However they promised free DLC and updates so Eastern Front is certainly to be expected imo. Along with Italy and the Pacific.
It will be a 'game as a service' approach meaning they'll likely keep adding content for free and generate income by selling customization items.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Torenico on 25-05-2018, 02:05:36
Churchill 3inch Gun Carrier???

I mean, it existed, but it's rare as it did not see any combat...


This could tell me that they'll go full experimental assault rifles that were crafted by Hitler in his wildest dream..., Something like BF1
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 25-05-2018, 05:05:47
I'll do you one better;

Quote
The Reveal Trailer is a good example of this, as it depicts the frantic fights in Northern France in an unexpected time period, early in the war. You’ll experience iconic WW2 elements such as paratroopers dropping from the sky near a mission-critical bridge. However, this time it’s part of the German offensive on the British positions along the Escaut, which later would lead to the dramatic events of Dunkirk.

from; https://www.battlefield.com/news/article/ww2-as-you-have-never-seen-it-before-battlefield-5 (https://www.battlefield.com/news/article/ww2-as-you-have-never-seen-it-before-battlefield-5)

So keep in mind that the trailer is depicting the fighting during Fall Gelb around Arras :o
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Nerdsturm on 25-05-2018, 06:05:50

So keep in mind that the trailer is depicting the fighting during Fall Gelb around Arras :o

Hahaha, I would not have guessed that! I don't get why EA/Dice keep picking these unusual periods for their games (WW1, early WW2), and then stripping out almost everything that would make those periods unique.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Torenico on 25-05-2018, 06:05:08
I'll do you one better;

Quote
The Reveal Trailer is a good example of this, as it depicts the frantic fights in Northern France in an unexpected time period, early in the war. You’ll experience iconic WW2 elements such as paratroopers dropping from the sky near a mission-critical bridge. However, this time it’s part of the German offensive on the British positions along the Escaut, which later would lead to the dramatic events of Dunkirk.

from; https://www.battlefield.com/news/article/ww2-as-you-have-never-seen-it-before-battlefield-5 (https://www.battlefield.com/news/article/ww2-as-you-have-never-seen-it-before-battlefield-5)

So keep in mind that the trailer is depicting the fighting during Fall Gelb around Arras :o

Hey but they nailed it with the Bf 109 paint scheme...
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Ivancic1941 on 25-05-2018, 09:05:02
BF1 was something but this is trash (Wermach soldier looks like Bundeswehr solder with MG3 and winter camo from Afganistan,dont want to coment female soldier) ..Was trailer about Churchil tank in 1940 or?
Also remember that BF1942 had STG44 in desert and BF2 had F35.. Somehow BF2 was most realistic of all battlefields with most stuff from real life. But still uncomparable to this
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Dancho on 26-05-2018, 02:05:24
When you really think about it BF2 was the most realistic or at least the most faction based of them all.  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Zoologic on 26-05-2018, 09:05:11
LOL, women in Battlefield, and I am instantly thinking of Soviet and Eastern Front. Finally! Then Manon Batiste of French Resistance. Imagine the gameplay! I have no objections at all about that. You can even add Black Nazi soldiers in their Hiwi Askari or the French SS grenadier division.

But the idiots decided to make it western front only. Well, fine. At this point, we can strike off games as educational material. There are too many AceCombat players being called "pilots" already.

Also remember that BF1942 had STG44 in desert and BF2 had F35.. Somehow BF2 was most realistic of all battlefields with most stuff from real life. But still uncomparable to this

In BF2, you play as US Marine Corps when the F-35B is available to your side. Then you also get the US Marine-only LAV-25, it is indeed the last "realistic" BF2 games.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 26-05-2018, 17:05:19
Can't wait to get my hands on my M1A5E6 Thompson SOPMOD with ZF41 to invade Russia as a disabled trans member of the SS ;D

At least in BF1942 they made the very silly stuff a silly expansion with Secret Weapons. Is it called Battlefield V as well now? It would seem like back then the numbers meant a significant step forward. BF2 was a big step up from BF1942 and Vietnam (even though the latter still has some incredibly good atmosphere and gimmicks) and BF3 also put the series into a new engine with a lot of cool new features but how are 4, 1 and 5 not basically big mods for BF3?

EDIT: Lol, I was just writing out of my ass when I wrote the above but I just watched the actual trailer and it seems that I was not so far off as I thought I'd be :D And what the hell is it with stuff exploding and flying around everywhere? I get that they want to show off a few things but god damn.
Also that black guy with the Bren and the Katana is hilarious.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Torenico on 27-05-2018, 02:05:27
Nobody talks about possible modding tools anymore eh? Love how Dice got away with it..


That is, for me, the biggest insult towards the community... People modded far more difficult games.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Korsakov829 on 27-05-2018, 05:05:23
It's like Battlefield 1 all over again where a considerable fraction of the German army was composed of black guys. Was that seriously a prosthetic? It's almost as if there's a subtle message around every corner of hopefully optimistic horse shit. Society in times past was uglier than today but if people want to portray something based in history as grander than it was so be it, it's not my concern anymore.

I can say as much as I disagree with it as I want I'm still going to buy it anyway. Throwing ammo bags backwards as you run? Sold.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: ajappat on 27-05-2018, 07:05:39
I read this thread before watching the trailer and thought surely it's not that bad. Well, what the fuck was that woman  ???
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Wilhelm on 27-05-2018, 17:05:07
Nobody talks about possible modding tools anymore eh? Love how Dice got away with it..


That is, for me, the biggest insult towards the community... People modded far more difficult games.

I think it is more to do with how they developed the Frostbite engine.  As far as I can recall, it utilizes a lot of third party plugins rather than being its own comprehensive engine.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 27-05-2018, 20:05:21
I read this thread before watching the trailer and thought surely it's not that bad. Well, what the fuck was that woman  ???

Considering all the features they are talking about the game could be really good but they REALLY screwed up with that trailer. How did no one at DICE/EA think that putting a bunch of rambos (including a woman with prostetic arm) in a WWII environment was going to backfire horribly. Official trailer almost has 300k dislikes rofl.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 28-05-2018, 01:05:05

But the idiots decided to make it western front only. W

Well if by western front only you mean africa and Norway, sure why not.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Zoologic on 28-05-2018, 18:05:54
Poland should be there too. If they really include Bedouin or British Gurkha, that will be bold. But going full pandering mode is bad.

Regardless of that, I think the gameplay should be fun and full of random shenanigans to laugh about.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 28-05-2018, 20:05:34
everything I hear about the gameplay makes me think that this trailer just showed the extremes of the customization. I really hope we see something more tame in the EA play reveal.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 29-05-2018, 01:05:25
Poland should be there too. If they really include Bedouin or British Gurkha, that will be bold. But going full pandering mode is bad.

Regardless of that, I think the gameplay should be fun and full of random shenanigans to laugh about.

Maybe in the future.

I know that Rotterdam would be there at the release.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Torenico on 29-05-2018, 02:05:14
(https://i.imgur.com/GmKPPwo.png)

My brain is dead, being politically correct in excess is BAD. Teach her about the important role of women in WW2, that they did their job very very well with great passion. There's no need to tell her a lie, because the game is lying right now.

I feel like DICE is trying to make this political when the community just wants a fucking Battlefield game, making this controversial is good for them after all, people are talking about their female soldiers.


Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Wilhelm on 29-05-2018, 04:05:25
There is no problem of having female soldiers in Battlefield, but this game's historical setting and genre (first person shooter) does not lend itself well for the inclusion of playable female characters in combat roles unless you have a gamemode of partisans vs regular troops or have the faction specific Soviet women snipers/pilots.

The only reason I do not like their approach for this game is the fact that they have the resources and technology to make a great and authentic WW2 sandbox, but they choose to go the fantasy route with these character customization, mixed equipment, etc.  There is SO MUCH that you can mine from WW2 to make interesting and new experiences without having to resort to fantasy!

Also, I am all for equality, but how narcissistic do you have to be to be unable to play as a character that does not look like you or is the same gender as you?  So what if a female gamer can only play as male soldiers in a shooter based in a historical time period?  I have no problem getting into games that feature female protagonists as a male...fight the battle of inclusion and equality where it is appropriate.  There are plenty of modern-day and sci-fi genre games and shooters that are entirely appropriate to feature women, people of color, etc in a prominent way that is deserving of their inclusion!

What would have been an interesting approach for Battlefield V where they could have featured all of the things they wanted to was to make it a spiritual successor to DICE's first battlefield-like game, Codename Eagle.  That was like a steam-punk ww1/ww2 mix fantasy setting which would be entirely appropriate for them to include all the things that they showed in the first BFV trailer!
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Zoologic on 29-05-2018, 14:05:58
It is called whitewashing the history. At least Mafia III went on full post-Jim Crow's 1960s racist mode. They don't censor calling our character "jig" and trigger violence when we enter "no coloured allowed" places. It is historical accuracy.

But when you include women and minorities in WW2 games, where they were never existed just to make all of us feel good, it is called white washing. The past is sexist and racist, we get it. But faking it is not the solution. We should tell people as how the reality was: world war 2 made us aware and realise that we need women more than we imagined, and racism can be very very very destructive.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 29-05-2018, 14:05:40
(https://i.imgur.com/GmKPPwo.png)

Jesus how stupid are these kinds of people. He should tell his daughter she can't make a female character in a WWII game because historically in that conflict they did not participate in combat (bar a few exceptions) but served other roles instead, which is just how the history is and a lot has changed since then. His argument is retarded.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: VonMudra on 29-05-2018, 15:05:29
If what he wanted was to include female soldiers in Battlefield V for that reason, then they could have done historical justice to women who did indeed fight in combat, like Soviet women's units, Polish female partisans, or female auxiliaries in the German army at war's end.  But he, and they, don't actually care about history, or about respecting those women who fought and died in the Second World War.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 29-05-2018, 16:05:05
I have to wonder at which point games started being about politics and "getting out the message" first and authenticity, story and general fun second.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alubat on 29-05-2018, 16:05:10
If the standard is like BF1 Im def gonna buy this. cant wait :-)

This is the only ww2 arcade shooter game comming out this year that looks fantastic uber awesome.
The other ww2 fps games looks like 5% FH2 in a little better GFX engine.
I really dont get the PS & HLL hype. But maybe that is just Me :-)
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Torenico on 29-05-2018, 23:05:09
Then if he is on the right side of history, by including strong women with iron arms killing nazis in early WW2, then what is Battlefield 1942?, no women is included in the game, does that mean the BF 1942 developers were all anti-women and that all of them were part of a far-right movement?, no... neither were Doom developers having a male main character being super strong...


I never felt the urge to have a male Lara Croft, or a male Jill Valentine in RE games, BFV is a fictional, very fictional game about a historical conflict.


Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they deleted the name of Hitler from their game and gave the Germans black soldiers, which would make the Nazis look as a tolerable kind of people...
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 30-05-2018, 15:05:21
Torenico, please don't call it BFV, that title is reserved for a way better game ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Wilhelm on 09-06-2018, 21:06:21
New Multiplayer Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWVtV59mczk

I actually think I may skip this Battlefield like I did with BF4. It doesn't look very interesting to me...which is a shame because the scenes that featured just the planes looked amazing...if only it was a little more grounded in historical accuracy. :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Torenico on 10-06-2018, 02:06:58
(https://i.redd.it/vo9cyy7as0311.png)

Call it World War 2, like never before.



















Also includes Battle Royale now?
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 10-06-2018, 09:06:46
BFBC3 confirmed.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: McCloskey on 10-06-2018, 13:06:27
How they can throw around words like "realistic" and "immersive" when describing this is fucking beyond me. You couldn't have guessed this was WW2 if you tried.  ??? Obviously one can't expect FH2 level of authenticity from a AAA title but this is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Zoologic on 15-06-2018, 07:06:34
People throwing random adjectives like "Savage" nowadays, cheapening the terms. It is time for the language to evolve. We no longer use terms like "thy" or "thou" anymore.

Is that an Asian guy holding the sniper rifle? I know there is 442nd infantry regiment consisted of mainly Japanese Americans, but boy, this is full on historical rewriting.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 15-06-2018, 08:06:07
Is that an Asian guy holding the sniper rifle? I know there is 442nd infantry regiment consisted of mainly Japanese Americans, but boy, this is full on historical rewriting.

Believe it or not but these are supposed to be British soldiers.
Also I think the Asian is a woman, not a guy.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 15-06-2018, 14:06:18
I like how they in the E3 presentation talked about "our portrayal of the second world war". The "Nordlys" war story: While flattered that it is in Norway, there were no lesbian girls partaking in operation gunnerside against the heavy water factory. In fact, not a single shot was fired in that operation. It belongs in a stealth game, not an action packed FPS. I would not be surprised that they just come up with a completely fictional story that has no base in reality. As they mentioned it is their portrayal of WW2.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: justasug on 18-06-2018, 10:06:10
The only thing worse than these games are people who complain about them. Did you really expect historical accuracy from a mainstream action FPS game? As others have pointed out, even BF1942 was unauthentic and unrealistic, but no one complains about that.

What is always good for a laugh is when someone says "they're rewriting history" or "they have an agenda!". What type of idiot would get his history lessons from a videogame like this? Do those people also watch blockbuster films to learn history related facts? Do those people think that they're going to replace credible books and other material in schools with AAA videogames?

These games are obviously pandering to the current trends. They're generic, simple shooters for the ADD crowd who want instant gratification. On top of that they also add the gameplay gimmicks and trends that are currently popular (extensive customization, battle royale gamemode, etc). Lastly, they add those "SJW history rewriting agenda pushing" things as some idiots call it. But in fact, that's just another way to maximise profits by broadening your audience and perhaps generating controversy which is always good PR.

Bottom line: the real idiots here are the people who get upset over it.
No one is preventing  you from playing other more authentic games and no one is taking those games away from you. The only reasonable problem to complain about these games is their insulting, braindead gameplay. But no one seems to do that.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Zoologic on 18-06-2018, 16:06:45
What type of idiot would get his history lessons from a videogame like this? Do those people also watch blockbuster films to learn history related facts? Do those people think that they're going to replace credible books and other material in schools with AAA videogames?

Aha, new guy detected.

Wait until you see people keep posting that they saw "wrong WW2 American GI uniform colour in FH2".

(https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-everything-i-learned-i-learned-from-the-movies-audrey-hepburn-83535.jpg)

This quote was in one of my Toastmasters meetings back in 2012.

There are unhealthy number of people who do that for real.

And we are just poking fun at them to check whether the guys here still got their brains or not, kind of sanity check amongst ourselves.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 18-06-2018, 18:06:02
The only thing worse than these games are people who complain about them. Did you really expect historical accuracy from a mainstream action FPS game? As others have pointed out, even BF1942 was unauthentic and unrealistic, but no one complains about that.

There's a fine line between demanding complete historical accuracy and just wanting an immersive environment. Nobody in their right mind would demand Battlefield games to have a set of weapons per maps or time periods, or having the correct uniforms. Nobody complained about BF1942 having an STG44 in desert maps.

What bothers most people however is the opposite: blatant disregard for history and rewriting it as they see fit. If they wanted to include woman in their game, nobody would have complained if they portrayed them as resistance fighters or Soviet units taking some artistic liberties along the way. But putting woman in as frontline troops for the British army is just nonsense, especially combined with an overabundance of races and ridiculous looking outfits. Especially if they claim their game to be a historical portrayal.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Slayer on 18-06-2018, 23:06:25
What type of idiot would get his history lessons from a videogame like this? Do those people also watch blockbuster films to learn history related facts?
If you would have to feed all those who actually do that, even a third job wouldn't help you.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: VonMudra on 19-06-2018, 00:06:07
What type of idiot would get his history lessons from a videogame like this? Do those people also watch blockbuster films to learn history related facts?
If you would have to feed all those who actually do that, even a third job wouldn't help you.

As an educator, I can say that you would be utterly amazed by how many students, of college age, get most of their history from movies and games.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 21-06-2018, 15:06:26


As an educator, I can say that you would be utterly amazed by how many students, of college age, get most of their history from movies and games.

But reading is hard :(

No seriously, I see that a lot and it's a tragedy.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Wilhelm on 28-06-2018, 00:06:45
I may absolutely loathe the direction of BFV, but I ain't gonna turn down an unsolicited free code to a closed alpha test!  :P
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Mr.ThunderMan on 28-06-2018, 00:06:08
I may absolutely loathe the direction of BFV, but I ain't gonna turn down an unsolicited free code to a closed alpha test!  :P

Huh, got an invitation too. I guess because of Bf1 premium.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: LuckyOne on 31-08-2018, 00:08:18
Well, well looks like EA decided to "delay" their next Battlefield:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/8/30/17799546/battlefield-5-delayed-release-date-november

Whether the reason is bad original release date timing or player backlash remains to be seen...  ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 31-08-2018, 00:08:00
Some are speculating that they’re doing this so they can have a release with things like vehicle customization (which was previously said wouldn’t be in the initial release). If that’s the case I agree with them trying to make the game polished and have all features for opening day. If it’s just to not compete with Red Dead and Black Ops then that’s dumb and won’t matter much in the long run imo

I also get the feeling there are coders working for DICE who are shitting their pants a little trying to figure out dragging bodies. :D It was something that was mentioned during the reveal and got people hyped but we haven’t seen anything about it since. I feel like behind closed doors it’s super complex and I wouldn’t be surprised if it just wasn’t in the game come launch. :P
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 31-08-2018, 08:08:58
Whether the reason is bad original release date timing or player backlash remains to be seen...  ::)

What I just do not understand at all is why they do not simply add an option 'authentic skins only' that disables woman characters and ridiculous customization for everyone who wants a more immersive experience. It would be such an easy solution to this problem. Both sides would be happy this way.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 31-08-2018, 10:08:26
Excellent idea, WoT has something like that if you don't want to see pink KV-2s or "Gamescom 2018" camouflaged T-54s. If you can implement choice without impeding the experience of the other players, you should be doing so, especially if you're just trying to sell your game instead of teaching everyone a lesson.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 05-09-2018, 16:09:23
So BFV will have 8 maps at launch. And I think the Grand Operations mode spans across 2 maps at a time, so from my guessing;

Arctic Fjord (Narvik in the beta) + some other Norwegian snow map (parts were shown in the latest trailer)
Rotterdam (in the beta) + Devastation (basically another part of Rotterdam but destroyed that was also shown in the trailers)
Twisted Steel (the Escault River map from the reveal trailer) + another Belgian map (the one in the latest trailer with the yellow fields)
Hamada (a North Africa map shown in the latest trailer) + some other North Africa map (I think parts have been shown in a trailer)

So the 8 maps will most likely only span from 1940-1941. With "Fall of Europe" and "Greece" as confirmed "Tides of War" after launch. I wonder if each "Tide of War" will release 2 new maps (aka 1 new Grand Operation).

It makes me wonder how many maps they plan on having all together. 8 maps for an arguably lesser known part of the war seems like a lot. You'd think they'd release at least that many maps for things like the Pacific, the East Front, NW Europe post D-Day etc... plus more to cover North Africa & Italy. BF1 had 29 maps so I wonder what they plan on doing with BFV.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 05-09-2018, 19:09:27
I don't think they'll go for the more well-known parts of the conflict (Pacific like the islands campaign, Eastern Front like Kursk or Europe like D-Day) but stick to the untold stories instead. So things like the fall of the British colonies in Asia, the Soviet-Japanese war or the US/UK landings in Africa, Italy or South France. Those could do with 2-4 maps each.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 05-09-2018, 19:09:21
That's interesting, so you don't think they'll do Omaha Beach or Stalingrad at all?

I'd half respect a game for doing that if they actually stuck to history and covered lesser known battles properly. But for a game that's trying to appeal to a mass audience, it would be a really bad marketing strategy to leave out the 'iconic' WW2 battles.

'Movie' type maps that are already ingrained into WW2 pop-culture is a huge selling point for your average gamer.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 05-09-2018, 23:09:52
Well they did so too in Battlefield 1, in which mostly lesser-known fronts like Italy, Africa and the Russian civil war were depicted. I think it was their goal in BFV as well to focus on all the yet-unexplored stuff, which is why we are starting with Norwegian and Dutch maps.

Like with BF1 they might eventually throw in a couple of 'Saving Private Ryan' maps (Passchendaele, Somme and Verdun in BF1), but I think the majority of the maps will continue to explore the forgotten battles.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 05-09-2018, 23:09:28
Well for BFV they seem to be going chronologically (at least based on the maps we've seen and the Tides of War names). So I expect to see those more 'iconic' battles show up when Tides of War gets to them. It would be insane to skip them.

I just wonder how many maps overall. It seems logical that they would release maps in pairs for their Grand Operations ideas, so if they get up to almost 40 maps for a $60ish game, then that might be a good deal.

I wish they would give a roadmap, but that would require them to make a promise to the players :P
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Alakazou on 06-09-2018, 05:09:11
IIRC one of the dev did said something that seem  to let the door open for more known map like D-Day and stalingrad ;)

https://www.game-debate.com/blog/images/_id1527257494_343178.jpg
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 06-09-2018, 16:09:17
Played the beta for a bit. Visually stunning while the sound- and destruction design still seems incomplete. Can't hear footstepts and tanks can't crush cars, etc. While Rotterdam map looks amazing, it lacks atmosphere. There's no chaos, no 'war'. Feels like a paintball match. Customization/unlocks/progression system is trash. Faction distinction is terrible because of the weird soldier customizations and mostly I end up just shooting everyone who doesn't have a clue icon above him. The attrition (low ammo) is currently way overdone (you spawn with only 60 rounds for STG-44 for example). Gunplay is kinda okay, tank vs tank combat is just lame, planes are terrible.

The game has potential but honestly this doesn't look anywhere near being done (talking like 4-5 months of work here). This feels like an early alpha build to me. If they release in november it will be a fiasco.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Korsakov829 on 06-09-2018, 21:09:52
How have they managed to fuck this up so badly? How do I even begin...

They can't get ragdolls right apparently because I've seen so many glitchy bodies, some of them not even on the ground but stuck mid air. Sounds are garbage, I can't even tell there's a war on it's so quiet.

The scarcity of ammo is kind of nice if not for the interactable stacks you need to top off at every so often. Those are going to get camped so hard.

It's obviously not meant for my now low end system and poor monitor, the colors are all over the damn place, Rotterdam is so bright it reminds me of an acid trip.

So much recycling. Animations, buildings, UI. Whatever they have new on that front is pretty rough, UI is confusing as all hell it took me a while to find the old fashioned server browser.

Forced to be in a squad when you join. I don't think you can even leave it, you can bounce between and maybe start a new one but I couldn't figure it out for the life of me. And of course you can spawn on anyone in your squad.

Spotting seems different. No more spamming Q. Good, bad, I don't know. I mean they're adding some nice features but... they can't shine. Not yet. Maybe a year from now. Holy shit. I can't even open a door. I have no choice but to bust through rather than quietly giving it a push.

Time to kill is interesting. Snipers kind of suck unless you're great at it, which is good I guess? Support has LMGs and shotguns, as it should be. Assaults aren't forced to have automatic weapon loadouts they can also use semi auto rifles it seems, same with Medic.

Someone told me that the suppression would blur the screen to a great degree, no. Once again I care little about how dangerous being in the open is, I feel that there's no consequence of dying whatsoever.

Unless my mind is changed I'll only get it if it's on sale, over a year from now when I can run it better.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 06-09-2018, 23:09:24
Just like BF1 the server browser is completely FUBAR. Filters don't work properly, the browser isn't up to date at all (shows empty spots and when you join you suddenly become 8th in line). It's a mess. I can't believe it's 2018 and they can't even properly implement a server browser.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Korsakov829 on 07-09-2018, 07:09:02
To add to that controversy regarding women being overly portrayed - they've asians fighting for the Allies. In a time period where America, being racist shitheads back then and fearing collaborators should the coast be invaded, bagged and tagged over 100,000 Japanese-Americans and migrants and sent them to camps or relocated them further east. Even the politicians at the time flat out said they didn't like or want them. It happened not only there but Canada too, and elsewhere. But no, that's a shame that is being swept under the rug because the developers think it's minor and not at all important.

I really want to give the game a chance because there's few things I like, but it fails so hard. They expect a release date by late November? Impossible. I had to stop playing earlier because I glitched so hard that I was revived, only it turns out the game was slow in determining that I shouldn't have been (critical death, think of a double tap) allowed to be, killed me after I walked a few steps, and then I couldn't spawn again, stuck at the map overview. Not only that but many of the icons were lost, grayed out or blank, the exception being allied soldiers.

It's so physical. Going prone feels like I'm slow, heavy, weighed down with gear and everything. But the deaths are out of control, for perspective even BF2/FH2 does it better. Hell even BF1942 does it better, it's broken as all hell.

I feel like some of the combat is at longer ranges than in BF1 or BF4, and it's good, it's nice. Setting up a machine gun on the 3rd floor of building and firing down at a dozen guys slowly crossing a bridge, great. The maps aren't necessarily bigger, but it feels like there's way more angles to fight from. That said, I think there were a lot of areas that weren't meant to be accessible but you could glitch your way to them one way or another.

Back to squads, yes apparently it does seem you have no choice but to be in one. You can make a new squad if there's space for it and set it to private, you can bet there'll be a lot of people doing that. But in addition your squad leaders can actually be demoted for not giving orders. If you request orders, and they don't set a new target, a new leader will be set. Or so it seems. But also you can get a squad leader radio, call in V-1 strikes, air drops, etc, if you have enough points for it.

Lots of recycled material. I've been in houses that are pulled straight from BFBC2. I just don't know yet, it's got something to it that's calling me back, but it's so rough that I don't have much hope for it. Has DICE put together their most bold, untried features imaginable to see if it's popular or not, is this game a sacrifice for them to learn from, I don't know? It wants you to hate it! I got killed by a tank because it was invisible - only the mid air floating passengers and the vehicle hit score let me know it was there. And there have been games where I only ever spawn with a pistol. It's garbage. Full release in two and half months? Yeah right.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Zoologic on 11-09-2018, 17:09:19
https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/23/17385040/battlefield-5-character-customization-items

I heard that the game uses custom characters that you can design for your own use.

Is this true? Does this mean we can use anyone in the German team?
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Sander93 on 11-09-2018, 17:09:08
There is supposed to be full character customization, but I can't confirm any details since customization wasn't enabled in the open beta.

However this customization has been taken way too far and while traditional uniforms and equipment is available, there's also lots of (IMO) stupid stuff like pilot helmets, leather jackets, prostetic limbs, blue face paint, Asian women fighting in the British army, Allied soldier with a katana on his back, etc. Besides completely ruining immersion it's basically impossible to tell who on earth you ran into and in the beta I basically could only tell the teams apart at first glance because friendlies have a 3D HUD icon above them and enemies don't.

Vehicles will also be customizable with upgrades changing their appearance (long barrel or side skirts for the Panzer IV for example) and with cosmetic items such as flags, mascots, camo nets, improvised armor such as sandbags, etc.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Zoologic on 12-09-2018, 15:09:37
LOL, that is actually very brilliant. Imagine fighting as a black Nazi chick wearing officer's cap.

Everybody will feel like fighting their personal war in the World War 2-themed maps against a bunch of nobodies.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 12-09-2018, 20:09:38
that's the point.

bfv is just a casual yolo game with just a minimal historical skin where the player can play an avatar that looks like them against others with various weapons and different anachronism to fit the gameplay (that's the reason why you semi auto-rifle like zh29 and turner prototype - because of the g43 specs  )
A casual game with a random context with a lifespan of 1 or 2 year before they release an other context and where player can grow their e-penis so they can show it to others.

Imo, they do it very well !

The only problem is they market it as a ww2 game whereas it is not the case
and this is the reason why people complain about anchronism
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: VonMudra on 12-09-2018, 21:09:29
that's the point.

bfv is just a casual yolo game with just a minimal historical skin where the player can play an avatar that looks like them against others with various weapons and different anachronism to fit the gameplay (that's the reason why you semi auto-rifle like zh29 and turner prototype - because of the g43 specs  )
A casual game with a random context with a lifespan of 1 or 2 year before they release an other context and where player can grow their e-penis so they can show it to others.

Imo, they do it very well !

The only problem is they market it as a ww2 game whereas it is not the case
and this is the reason why people complain about anchronism

This.  All the this.  This is the same as BF1 and COD WW2- it's literally just a skin.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Leopardi on 13-09-2018, 00:09:35
If they can't even get the UI right for PC, there's no way I'm buying this game.

Narvik was also just a infantry run&gun simulator as a map, does not impress. I just bought Insurgency for that kind of stuff, and it does it miles better. Maybe there will be a beta 2 with the push of release date, but based on this, it's simply not worth the money.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 17-09-2018, 17:09:00
Anyone know if Natty still is part of the DICE team?

(https://i.imgur.com/pG1MGfX.jpg)

I feel this is a small wink to Forgotten Hope, but it can very well be just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: LuckyOne on 23-10-2019, 18:10:46
So the Pacific trailer just dropped:

https://youtu.be/LCZLabOywYU

Now I'm actually considering getting this. It fills the gap that was left by the never released on PC BF1943.

...Not to mention the uniforms finally look less offensive.
Title: Re: Battlefield V
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 24-10-2019, 00:10:41
Muuuuuch better trailer that time. Much less Mad Max style customization and some fun action scenes. Feels a bit more like WW2 in that one.

I’m sure one gripe people will have is the content. It sounds like only 3 maps so far (Iwo Jima, Paracel... aka Pacifc Storm  :P and Wake). And only a few new weapons to start; M1 and a Type 99, but having to wait some time before other things like the BAR and such. Wish they had more than just a Sherman for the Americans and a Ha-Go for the Japanese. The British and Germans get 3 each afaik. At least they have amphibious vehicles, that’ll spice things up. No big Ship vs Ship or moveable aircraft carrier stuff tho, which is what I was hoping they go for. But with the game being in as bad a state as it is, I’m not surprised they don’t have time for that stuff.

I hope this trailer and the eventual resurgence of the game doesn’t make people forget that DICE made a ton of mistakes during the pre launch and launch of the game that should be taken into consideration when the next EA/ DICE title rolls around.

Btw, people are much more active on the Discord (https://discordapp.com/invite/hU878P4) if you wanna join there.