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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: Eat Uranium on 13-12-2015, 14:12:15
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Coming today at 1800 UTC.
Götterdämmerung
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/ (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/news.php?id_news=483)
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My guess: Official announcement of Seelow Heights.
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Naah, it's going to be Streets of Berlin, with the Easter Egg being that in Reichskanzlei there is a secret door to the Führerbunker where you can hear the "DAS WAR EIN BEFEHL!" diatribe through another closed door.
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V2 pickup kit!
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With my basic German knowledge I guess that Götterdämmerung means something like "The Dawn of Gods". What's the exact translation?
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No opera lovers here?
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Did some research and came to the conclusion that we might get Battle of Berlin. ;D
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(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/ironsky/images/d/d6/Got.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20120716154109)
Or maybe a new vehicle for Germany? ;D
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Ragnarok
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No opera lovers here?
A Siegfried pickup kit that can stun enemies with High C ?
A trailer that is way too long and has to be watched at a derelict stage?
A wagner horn for german recon?
The possibilites are endless (like his operas)
Full Disclaimer: Italian (opera) bias
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With my basic German knowledge I guess that Götterdämmerung means something like "The Dawn of Gods". What's the exact translation?
If Google or Wikipedia isn't your thing, "Twilight of the Gods" is the contextually more appropriate term, because it is the Germanic mythological equivalent of Ragnarök from Norse mythology. Loki uses hax and Valhalla gets #rekt, the gods get #BTFO, and the entire world gets #pwned. Oh, and Brünnhilde killsteals and suicides before that, "the fat lady sings" comes from her final aria, as a maiden fair doesn't usually have big enough voice for the part. Of course, since all of this has happened before and will happen again, it's also the Dawn of the Gods, because the World respawns a bit later, though all but two players have to start with new characters without any gear or XP.
Götterdämmerung is also the fourth opera in Richard Wagner's Ring of the Nibelungs cycle. Please for the sake of sanity, never ever watch the terrible DTV movie adaptation starring Kristanna Loken, going by four or five different titles (Ring of the Nibelungs, Curse of the Ring, Sword of Xanten, Dark Kingdom: The Dragon King). The opera is six and half hours long less intermissions, and opera seats are usually borderline torture, but the real thing is still preferable to that abomination of a movie.
What with Hitler having a permanent hard-on for Germanic and Norse mythology and thus also Wagner's works, the title nowadays gets attached to all possible things related to Germany 1945 and for once is at least somewhat ironically appropriate.
EDIT: Damn, ninja'd by Harmonikater
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Well that was a thorough explanation! :)
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The map pics indicate to me that something is missing?
I dont know what, but the map looks kind of bland.....
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Anyways, keep up the work & i cant wait til 2020 when this is released!
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The map picks indicate to me that something is missing?
I dont know what, but the map looks kind of bland.....
I can agree with you, it's probably the least detailed map of 2.50 and I'm not really a big fan of it since the beginning of its development. On the other hand it will feature some cool toys for us to play, for example it's gonna be the only map in upcoming patch where IS-2 will be able to encounter KTs and that gonna be fun for sure.
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Oh, but the combat for it is actually quite intense. The rough terrain means, you dash from covered area like Stashuv area, to open space covered by mg42 on lafette or a PAK40 to get to the next covered area; then the trenchline and open houses...
plays way better than it looks I feel. I think this might become a favorite for some. Just for the intensity of it. And we didn't have close to 64 players in beta test.
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The map does look as sparse as the first release of Cobra. Hopefully it will get a makeover too ;)
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Hopefully it will get a makeover too ;)
Well let's release it first before remaking it a third time... ;)
That being said, there are two reasons the map might look a tad less elaborate than others, one trivial, the other not so much.
1. The area around Seelow neither has the intricate hedgerows of Normandy, nor the hills and wild pine forests of the Ardennes. In fact, except for the cliff in the middle, the terrain is about as flat as Alam Halfa. Together with the fog in BF2, this is hard to make look cool, especially if you can't put hedges everywhere like in Normandy.
2. More importantly, we ran into massive performance problems while testing this, to the point where many lower end PCs would probably crash everytime they tried to switch to the map (not to mention lag etc.) This meant I had to spent some very unfun mapping sessions drastically lowering the variety of statics, getting rid of some very good looking smoke effects, lowering fog range and cutting down on different gameplay assets as well. Let's just say there is a reason why most of our maps with planes have the kind of terrain of Operation Totalize and not this:
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/screenshotsfh2/Seelow%20Heights/seelow_06.jpg)
Many different statics from different static sets (Russia, France, Bulge) + fairly high render distance for planes + many different vehicles + unusually big variety of weapons (Volkssturm Stuff) = unhappy BF2 engine. IIRC at one point the whole thing loaded more than 2 Gigs of RAM by itself. I got that number down significantly, but as you can imagine I didn't add a lot of details after that.
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You could have saved more and got rid of those crates you see on the right next to the building (by the stairs). Those darn things are bloody everywhere! What are in those? Hopes and dreams of pubbie players? ;D
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They are simply generic cover elements.
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Did you guys go as far as to recreate the pirate ship?
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Will this cool looking map also come as 16 player king of the building layout or only as 64player ?
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We tried a version for 16p centered completely on the building, but it wasn't that much fun. There will be a 16p Push version and a 32p conquest version though.
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Testing 16p layer with 16 players (pun intended) is wrong. As the FH2 Game Nights of yore and the occasional mishap upon server restart can witness, the real fun (or !!FUN!!) lies in 128 players battling it out on a 16p map ;D
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http://i.imgur.com/T0LVB5I.png
Not ready for release until it's there.
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^ Indeed, devs don't really put easter eggs on the maps anymore ... (or do they? ::))
That's one of the things I liked with the "old" FH 1 and early FH 2 devs. They were always ready to put a few small tokens for the curios to find and give them a good laugh.
Also the PR devs... Man the rumors about the PR bear are still all over the forums! ;D
Otherwise congratz on the ModDB top 100 again, glad to see my vote did not go to waste. You guys definitely deserve it, the sheer quality of the stuff you put out is almost unheard of in mods!
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Well IIRC all Eastern Front maps have at least one Radbear hidden somewhere for those who like to look for small easter eggs.
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Well IIRC all Eastern Front maps have at least one Radbear hidden somewhere for those who like to look for small easter eggs.
That's correct!
Never found any on the 32 or 16p versions though. ;)
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Forgot to post here. Awesome to see the proper update.
Don't let the screenshots fool you, Seelow is an awesome map :) you get the nice progression from low wetlands, to bombed out trenches to ruined city as you fight.
Not to mention this map will have the most Russian/ German toys for you to play with ;)
KT vs IS-2 is the epitome of the East Front
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Cooool.
I really hope this will come out before x-mas, now that I cant have the gold train as a gift
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2. More importantly, we ran into massive performance problems while testing this, to the point where many lower end PCs would probably crash everytime they tried to switch to the map (not to mention lag etc.) This meant I had to spent some very unfun mapping sessions drastically lowering the variety of statics, getting rid of some very good looking smoke effects, lowering fog range and cutting down on different gameplay assets as well
Maybe its time to raise the minimum specs ? ;D
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Cooool.
I really hope this will come out before x-mas, now that I cant have the gold train as a gift
RE :
2. More importantly, we ran into massive performance problems while testing this, to the point where many lower end PCs would probably crash everytime they tried to switch to the map (not to mention lag etc.) This meant I had to spent some very unfun mapping sessions drastically lowering the variety of statics, getting rid of some very good looking smoke effects, lowering fog range and cutting down on different gameplay assets as well
Maybe its time to raise the minimum specs ? ;D
Nooooo! Then I will become only FH2 forum member until I buy new comp
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Basically we are pushing what bf2 engine is capable of. More memory load etc would create stutter even for people with good computers, so it's more of an engine thing.
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Great work guys, i'm so sad right now that you still seem to have more work to do before release.
Keep up the good work and i'll keep the faith. :)
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Thanks for the update ! Great looking map, even if it comes across better in the video, although I can get what I started terming "visual anorexia" with these kinda things ... picking out all the little things wrong with it. An alarming condition that I've seen examples of on t' net.
Basically we are pushing what bf2 engine is capable of. More memory load etc would create stutter even for people with good computers, so it's more of an engine thing.
*SO* happy to hear that the dev's understand this ! Another popular bf2 mod admits that many if their maps only run at 20 -30fps even on *high* spec systems, 20 or less even on my 3ghz cpu, amd r7 260x. I have to have at the very least 30, better being 40 and above, ideally 60 for full immersion.
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Talk about Götterdämmerung... are there any plans for Battle of Königsberg?