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Title: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 28-01-2013, 23:01:22
Hey guys,

Downloaded the free to play game WarThunder yesterday, that just started the open Beta and is based on aerial WW2 combat.

http://warthunder.com/ (http://warthunder.com/)

Enjoy the launch trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5BWqTXoNjtQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5BWqTXoNjtQ)

It's pretty comparable to the system of World of Tanks and competing with the upcoming World of Warplanes. I heard from some sources that it is less arcadey than World of Warplanes.

While the website looks comparably cheap, the game itself has more than decent graphics for a free2play game and has a good bunch of features. You can choose bewteen arcade mode, historical mode and realistic mode.

While arcade mode takes place with planes from all the antions mixed (like in WoT) historical mode makes the map you play depended on the nationality of the plane and also offers special missions but also comes with advanced difficulty in flying, which also means more realism and options for the player though.

Realistic mode is in fact quite tricky to master I guess and you have control over more features.
Generally flying the planes feels quite tricky to me, and it's ahrd to get used to. You can switch between different control settings however and change some detailed stuff. I still didn't figure out the perfect controls for me, but I hope this will get better.

In future ground and naval combat will be included as well. Also, the fyling is currently not only based on dogfights fighter vs fighter, you can also control torpedo bombers, dive bombers and regular bombers. You have tanks, AA, airfields, landing boats on the ground you can bomb and on some maps even carriers and warships to fight I think (didn't see it yet, but I think it's in historical mode and I jsut played arcade for learning purposes).

The amount of planes to unlock which happens the pretty much same way it happens in WoT is also quite okay although it's often only different versions of one plane (like 8 different Bf109), but will most likely get extended sooner or later.

You can also play Coop missions with other players vs AI or offline on your own as well for example.

I suck at the gameso far and it's hard to get used to it, but it is fun to me and I can just recommend to give it a try. The tutorials are great and give you a nice overview in how things work. These Russian developers put a lot of work into this it seems and it is a lot more awesome than I expected it to be.


This video by SideStrafe made me try it by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuZuaJdFVxA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuZuaJdFVxA)

Give it a try and share your opinion :)

cheers
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Wulfburk on 28-01-2013, 23:01:27
This game is really fun! Been playing for a month or so, grinding the british line, got to lvl 8 now. British planes are the best, Beaufighter is really OP, hurricane mk1, mk2 and spitfire mk1, mk2 are all great fighters as well.

But now im stuck with the Wellington, whats the point of the geodesic thing if i get 1 hit all the freaking time.

Oh, and World of Warplanes sucks compared to this (sucky graphics and low performance, bad controls,  and no brits!)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 28-01-2013, 23:01:54
I watched the Sidestrafes video earlier and only at the end I realised it wasn't about world of warplanes. I played wotw in alpha and what I saw in that video, looked pretty much what I expected wotw to become. Ohwell  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 28-01-2013, 23:01:56
Basically Wings/Birds of Pray, free2play edition. even "full realism" mode isn't all that realistic IL2 fans have nothing to look for, damage model especially sucks (everything explodes, burns etc. regardless of what you are shooting with), but its really nice for some arcadey/semi-simulation combat flight fun. It also looks great, and the choice of music is nice.

And let's NOT talk about that wargaming thing.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 29-01-2013, 00:01:57
Well, of course this does not offer deep highly realistic experience, but for a free 2 play game the amount of realism seems quite nice. I was expecting arcade only to be honest. Il-2 players will of course stay away from this, as long as they want to play pure realism flight games only. So this is of course not the playerbase this game aims for.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 29-01-2013, 00:01:49
Does anyone know if I can close the launcher without restarting the download the next time I run it?

I have another GB to download, an it will take a few hours at least on my connection....

Anyway I think I'll try this out as WoWP was quite disappointing... Planes felt like bricks that couldn't climb, turn or roll... even worse than FH 2!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 29-01-2013, 00:01:15
I was also looking for a option do download the files outside the launcher and install manually but I could not find anything, although I read some posts about a torrent, but that might have been back in the closed beta stage. I have internet of awesomeness here with usually up to 11mb/sec but was downloading with like 0,5-1mb/sec only in that launcher, so it took quite some time. So there's no alternative (anymore) I guess.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 29-01-2013, 01:01:11
^ Actually there is a torrent button there, but I missed it in the first go... Now I'm stuck on downloading directly... ah well...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LHeureux on 29-01-2013, 17:01:51
I just hope they make the tank combat realistics, Red Orchestra style and not arcade WoT.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 29-01-2013, 21:01:10
^ I wouldn't bet on that, but they seem to be aiming at more realism than WoT definitely... And historical accuracy...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 29-01-2013, 22:01:51
I have been playing this game from around start of this month and I like it especially historical mode even when matchmaker doesn't work very well yet (encountering jets around level 5 already in arcade and historical at startlevel  :o, don't known about realistic mode since I only played it once but I guess it is the same.)


In future ground and naval combat will be included as well. Also, the fyling is currently not only based on dogfights fighter vs fighter, you can also control torpedo bombers, dive bombers and regular bombers. You have tanks, AA, airfields, landing boats on the ground you can bomb and on some maps even carriers and warships to fight I think (didn't see it yet, but I think it's in historical mode and I jsut played arcade for learning purposes).


There are carriers and battleships in some maps that show up enough in arcade but I think you only encounter the maps for it at higher level (level 4 or 5 for one country but I am not sure).

damage model especially sucks (everything explodes, burns etc. regardless of what you are shooting with)


I got alot of kills where the enemy lost it's wing without any fire but yes the damage could be better but this may improve in future patches like shown in this video of 1.27 where you can controll heavily damaged plane and crash land http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3g4oT_j1kBA

Looking forward to how navy and tank combat plays in the future and how they want to make combined modes from what I have read (ground/navy/air in one battle) since it is very easy to kill ground targets now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 29-01-2013, 22:01:15
God I suck at flying in this game... I wonder what's the deal with my joystick, can't even fly straight and level...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Wulfburk on 30-01-2013, 16:01:25
New patch is out, now you can crash land (apparently)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 30-01-2013, 19:01:25
New patch is out, now you can crash land (apparently)

Well, as far as I know what they changed is that now you stay in the aircraft for 30 seconds after sustaining critical damage, instead of simply ''dying'' straight away. This means that if your wing breaks off you get to enjoy a nice freefall, but it also means you might still be able to land if you sustain 'only' critical hull damage or something.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: BaskaBommi on 09-02-2013, 08:02:33
An excellent game. Lot better that that poopy War of Warplanes. Controls need adjusting though. I just wish I could have BF2 controls on my planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 09-02-2013, 11:02:15
An excellent game. Lot better that that poopy War of Warplanes. Controls need adjusting though. I just wish I could have BF2 controls on my planes.

Same here. Although it's incredibly easy to fly wioth mouse-aim after a few hours already. I stopped it though as it's absolutely no fun and play with gamepad, which is nice for maneuvers but it's impossible to aim as good as with mouseaim, which is currently too easy imo. I tried mouse and keyboard by setting up simplified controls as well, making controls a bit FH2 like. It worked quite ok, so maybe that's what you look for. But flying with mouse/keyboard is just not fun to me on the long term. So I'm still pretty bad with gamepad, but I'll stick to it as flying with it is just more fun. Would play with joystick if I had one.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 09-02-2013, 13:02:22
Would play with joystick if I had one.

Trust me, you wouldn't... At least not on arcade. Every mouse guy will own you in 2.5 seconds while you will have trouble even staying on target for 1 second... Joystick users get some penalties on purpose it seems...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 09-02-2013, 16:02:00
It's not much different with gamepad I think. While you have to use roll/yaw/pitch moves in order to move your aim on the target with gamepad (and with joystick as well), the mouse-aim guys just have to move the mouse a little left, right, up or down. In my opinion the worst aspect of the game currently. Hard to stay motivated when getting owned all the time. But mouse-aim is not an option for me, lacks the challange and it's just not fun to fly with it, even when I make a lot more kills using it. Currently mouse aim and joystick/gamepad is like playing 2 different games of different difficulty level.
Anyway, I'm not giving up yet and improving with gamepad. Although all this is the major downside of the game, I still have fun.

Also, if anyone wants to try some coop missions or something add "Surfbird". I still suck though ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 09-02-2013, 17:02:58
looks nice, downloading now.

A nation vs nation game or does it have the WOT concept off all vs all ?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 09-02-2013, 17:02:14
In arcade mode it's all vs all. There is a historical mode though with scenerios of nation vs nation. It's still under developement though and there are not many maps yet. There are also full real battles with comparably realistic controls, not sure but this should be nation vs nation as well. Furthermore there is a dynamic campaign and single missions which are based on real war theatres.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 09-02-2013, 18:02:05
Also, if anyone wants to try some coop missions or something add "Surfbird". I still suck though ;)

Sure. If anyone wants to add me feel free to do so, we can suck together then :P, the name's LuckyOne1 (because of the idiotic auto-rename when registering, instead of telling me it's already taken :-/).



Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 09-02-2013, 18:02:23
"Musti122", add me. I'm not that great in dogfights, but I'm pretty good with torpedoes though :D.

I like how compared to WOT(and probably WOW), you go into a battle with multiple planes, so that you can choose your own lineup, I really like that system. (and the battles last much longer)

Historical battles are only USSR vs Germany right now, sadly.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 09-02-2013, 18:02:15
Added you both :)

I like that feature as well. I'm currently more flying the bombers. Got 2 Catalina's in my 4-plane lineup, need some time to unlock the 500lb bombs unfortunately, but the 16 100lb bombs are quite okay, just need to spam them at a target, as they do little on their own. Generally, I've been going for the US tree because I love planes like the Catalina as well as all the carrier based planes, especially the Corsair, Dauntless and Avenger.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 09-02-2013, 19:02:45
16x100lb is an excellent loadout, just go for the convoys and spam them with bombs(when done properly, you can easily take out 5-6 targets in one run), then quick turnaround, wait a minute, come back and bomb the second convoy, if its still alive that is. Then its just "precision bombing" leftovers (with good aim, AAA, artillery and light/medium tanks go in one bomb) until you get shot down. I wouldn't bother with 4x500lb bombs, too small to take out pillboxes, too big for light targets, and its better to just get torpedoes for the ships (1 torp. = 1 destroyer)
Thats at least how i do it: one Catalina(PBA5a, the heavier one) with 16 bombs to kill as many light targets/convoys as possible, and then finish off heavy pillboxes(they tend to stay intact till the end of the battle, since nobody can kill them) with 1000lb bombs on the other Catalina(assuming I'll manage to survive ofc. :D).

Killing many light targets is much better than trying to kill the heavier one's when you don't have any big bombs. Because this way you can get massive XP from bonuses (+500 for killing 2 targets in a row, then another +500 for killing 5 ground targets etc.)

Germans can really use that to their advantage, since they get 32x50 kg bombs on their HE 111's, double the load of a Catalina. That must be fun :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 09-02-2013, 20:02:18
Thanks for the tips. Well I'm basically using the Catalina because the airplane is beautiful and I like the possibility of taking a torpedos as well :p Just noticed that the 100lb bombs don't do anything to ships it seems, so I've given up on bombing them. But I get quite a good bunch of xp in the rounds indeed. Just thought the 500lb bombs have enough punch to take out a whole group of AA guns, but that's probably more the 1000lb's and yea, actually I should be able to do the same with the 16 100lb bombs. It's just that I sometimes fly too fast to get them all perfectly off, but I'm practicing and improving.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 09-02-2013, 20:02:49
Well judging by your experiences I'm gonna have to try bombing... I tried to be a dogfighter but with joystick against mouse users it's very hard to stay competitive... On better rounds I manage a 1:1 kill ratio, otherwise they just one-shot me... Although I'm still flying mostly the starter planes... I only got a Hurricane for dogfighting, and it's not really good enough against faster high tiers, and I can't out-turn lower tiers....
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 09-02-2013, 20:02:41
Bombing is fun and you won't get so frustrated so fast. Even the Catalina, which looks kinda fragile compared to other planes takes a lot of hits and you get free kills when people flying at you witht heir funny biplanes (which do like 0 dmg) as you can shoot them down pretty easily with your gunner. The bombers also seem to be flying when they are really damaged already, I managed to fly all the way back to my teammates with a totally damaged wreck basically. But it did not want to blow up :)

Also, you might want to check this forum thread here (http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/15787-is-joystick-use-being-deliberately-crippled/page-4#entry173372)

including a post from a guy who gives free his exact joystick settings, and he seems to know what he's doing as you can see in this video, which is also where I found the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zd_mphwHA4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zd_mphwHA4)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 09-02-2013, 22:02:47
Oh yeah, Catalina can be really tough. Unless you have a Beaufighter/Aircobra or something similar on your ass, it should survive for quite some time before going down. Its turrets are a bit weak though, and they have a dead zone exactly behind the plane. But it's a really good plane with quite heavy bomb load for a rank 3 plane.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 10-02-2013, 02:02:11
A fun game. I think I´m going to buy myself a Stuka... bombing ground targets, especially the convoys is most fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 10-02-2013, 14:02:25
 This looks really good.

http://warthunder.com/en/game/features/13/current/
From massive multiplayer battles with random players to sophisticatedly designed events for experienced virtual pilots, from modes with simplified control settings to co-op missions against AI enemies—War Thunder is always full of action.


 Question: How Massive is the Multi-Player?  8 vs 8 or are we talking hundreds of players?

 Can you create a custom plane and name it?

That would be cool. Just like the Red Baron in WWI.


 8)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 10-02-2013, 15:02:18
This looks really good.

http://warthunder.com/en/game/features/13/current/
From massive multiplayer battles with random players to sophisticatedly designed events for experienced virtual pilots, from modes with simplified control settings to co-op missions against AI enemies—War Thunder is always full of action.


 Question: How Massive is the Multi-Player?  8 vs 8 or are we talking hundreds of players?

 Can you create a custom plane and name it?

That would be cool. Just like the Red Baron in WWI.


 8)
Seeing how WoT is called "MMO" without it having anything massive about it...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: BaskaBommi on 10-02-2013, 15:02:42
Seeing how WoT is called "MMO" without it having anything massive about it...
One of the reasons I stopped playing WoT...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 10-02-2013, 16:02:38
Question: How Massive is the Multi-Player?  8 vs 8 or are we talking hundreds of players?

Right now 16v16 planes per match, but I assume they will expand the player limit (a lot) once they introduce the combined land/air(/sea) battles.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: NTH on 10-02-2013, 17:02:18
What is the best way to get ranks for your planes. I don't mind grinding a bit, but I won't pay for anything and I am all out of Golden Eagles.
It seems to go so slow.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 10-02-2013, 17:02:28
Historical battles.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 10-02-2013, 17:02:55
What is the best way to get ranks for your planes. I don't mind grinding a bit, but I won't pay for anything and I am all out of Golden Eagles.
It seems to go so slow.
You can do the tutorials for some GE (in case you didn't know). Also, what rank are you? They should go fairly easy at the beginning.
Historical battles.
You say? You get more exp. in historical battles or something?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 10-02-2013, 18:02:57
Yeah, historical battles gain you a lot of xp
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 10-02-2013, 18:02:35
Right now 16v16 planes per match, but I assume they will expand the player limit (a lot) once they introduce the combined land/air(/sea) battles.

 If they bump the Multi-Player up to 64 & include land/air(/sea) battles could we be talking about a rival to the battlefield series?


 :o
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 10-02-2013, 18:02:59
Yeah, historical battles gain you a lot of xp

But they also take upwards to 30 minutes to finish... While arcade usually talkes 10... So it's not that of an advantage...


Indeed, this might become a free to play successor of battlefield, but they aren't planning to add infantry, and I doubt that the concept of combined battles will work... Sea + air might work... But land forces will just get blown up in the first 5 minutes without even seeing their (land) enemies...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.Grim on 10-02-2013, 19:02:31
played a battle with mouse and it went much better then with joystick. But since I have sworn never to fly with mouse and only with joystick I have thrown this game away. Absolutely stupid to give penalties to joystick users (is this confirmed or just a observation?). If this is not fixed I will never ever touch this game again.

And yes this is kind of a rage because I had high hopes about this game  >:(.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 10-02-2013, 19:02:53
Surfbird posted a link with YT video where somebody i doing rather well using a joystick thanks to setting it up properly, maybe you should try those settings. I don't think that penalizing joystick users was intentional, it just happened when they tried o make it easy for mouse and keyboard players(I think).
If it was intentional though, fuck them, thats just fucked up.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 10-02-2013, 19:02:30
That´s what I hate about flying in FH2. Those joystick-kiddies have an unfair advantage. It´s good that they made a game where skill matters rather than what equipment you have at home. Just fly with mouse and keyboard. I wouldn´t play it if you could just win by using a gamepad/ joystick.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 10-02-2013, 19:02:01
Holey shiit, mentlegen I present you Beaufighter!
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1724/shot20130210193815.jpg)
Pro tip: Don't ignore Beaufighter in a fight, and for the love of god DON'T attack it head-on. Those 4 20mm cannons are destroying everything in no time! Of course it takes bloody 17 years before you can aim at somebody, but when it does, damn!

That´s what I hate about flying in FH2. Those joystick-kiddies have an unfair advantage. It´s good that they made a game where skill matters rather than what equipment you have at home. Just fly with mouse and keyboard. I wouldn´t play it if you could just win by using a gamepad/ joystick.
Well, this is a flying almost-semi-simulator, so I'd say it should definitely support joysticks properly. And there is a difference between making mouse-flying easy, and simply putting joystick users on disadvantage. It's like making joypad superior to mouse and keyboard in FPS.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 10-02-2013, 20:02:32
^ Zomg wtf! They need to nerf that thing!

*jelly*

Meanwhile I shot a Beaufighter down yesterday in a Nimrod...

*proud*
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 11-02-2013, 16:02:57
Anybody here who can explain this to me? I get a warning if I try to level up my bomber MG gunners. I can spend one point, after that I get the message, that there aren´t enough experienced gunners. - The next experienced gunner however costs me 240 crew points... so do the "red" points I add to the gunner I have at the moment do nothing?

(http://www.abload.de/img/shot2013.02.1115.52.1qsuks.jpg)

Oh and the Beaufighter is insane. I noticed that you can kill a shitload with 2 autocannons on the BF 110 ... the 4 on the Beaufighter just rip everything apart. My poor bombers can´t escape. :(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 11-02-2013, 17:02:41
I'm not too sure about that either and have assumed, that I can level these skills up as soon as I have one more gunner. Might be that you need the amount of experienced gunners as the airplane has gunner positions, which is 3 in your case to level up more than one point for each gunner.

Currently the War Thunder forum is down, but I just found a thread that relates to the question by googling a bit I think (They seem to be moving the forum, I hope the links redirects to the new website then)

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/14175-crew-not-enough-experienced-gunners/ (http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/14175-crew-not-enough-experienced-gunners/)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 11-02-2013, 19:02:09
Oh its pretty simple, you need to have to have exactly (or more) "experienced gunners" as the number of gunners in your plane (3 in your case), otherwise you get penalties to the skills.
You can add skills to the aiming etc. but you will get massive penalties, and effectiveness of the skill will be very low (for eg. you can have skill at 5/50, but with -3 penalty its effectiveness is just 2/50 etc.)

Basically, for bombers with many gunners, you first have to spend shitload of time getting additional "experienced gunners", before improving skills. Although I myself think its much better to firs to go for "expert" crew qualification first, you'll get it in shorter time(if you skill up properly) than even one gunner, and then obtaining gunners will be a lot easier. (actually, going for "expert" first, should be a priority on ANY crew)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tedacious on 11-02-2013, 19:02:39
Just started playing, have gone through the tutorial and played 1 online round.
Game has great potential! I like it a lot.

Simple question: when all my planes are spent for one round, can I quit the mission and still recieve my XP points, or do I have to wait in Spectator mode until it's over?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 11-02-2013, 19:02:08
^ Pretty sure you can quit and it will be added when it's over...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: corsair89 on 11-02-2013, 20:02:21
Finally finished downloading the 6+ Gb, registered under the same nick as here.

For now, I just did the tutorials and 2 arcade rounds. The battle was quite messy but I managed to down a plane ! Still have to try it deeper. I'm not used to the mouse+keyboard flying but my joystick is kaputt.

A few questions come to my mind :

- these two battles were really chaotic, does it change with the "tiers" (or whatever the name is, been playing WoT a bit too much) ?

- Can someone explain me a bit how to level up. I saw that you get money and XP for your actions, but I saw that you have ranks for each nation, skills for the crew, etc...I don't really get all these things and their forums are down.

- Do you need to buy hangar slots or you can add as many planes as you want ?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 11-02-2013, 20:02:12
@ Musti and Shitmaker: Thanks for the explanation

Simple question: when all my planes are spent for one round, can I quit the mission and still recieve my XP points, or do I have to wait in Spectator mode until it's over?
You get the XP and money also when leaving.

- these two battles were really chaotic, does it change with the "tiers" (or whatever the name is, been playing WoT a bit too much) ?
I´m at Tier 5 atm. and it´s still chaotic. However the specialised roles of the Aircraft are now easier to distinguish... you have the bombers trying to get the ground targets at higher altitudes, the "attacker" aircraft trying to get you in one run and the one-motor aircraft still fly everywhere around the airfields trying to shoot everything in sight without any formation. But it´s better than the first rounds imo.

- Do you need to buy hangar slots or you can add as many planes as you want ?
You can buy 2 Hangar slots for "silver". After that it costs you "gold". With more slots you can participate longer in the battle, but imo 5 slots (the ones you can buy for silver) are enough. After that you can change the planes that you already had there before in that slot with the new one. The crew however needs to be instructed to that aircraft for some silver. Don´t know whether you can change the aircraft after they have been instructed again and again for free.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 11-02-2013, 20:02:47
Q1: Yeah, battler are a chaotic, At a bit higher tiers people tend to be a bit more smart (sticking together, covering bombers), but no, it stays like that (F2P game, what do you expect)

Q2:You earn 4 types of exp (well, not really, but it will be easier to explain)
1.Your general rank shows how much total XP you gathered in general (quite obvious). Total XP you get from a battle goes there.

2.You Air force rank determines what planes you get, and you also unlock single player missions. The higher the air force rank, the more interesting shit you get (like tiers in WOT). Its quite cool because you just have to fly for a certain nation to unlock more planes, so if you don't like a certain plane, you can just skip i t and play the other ones(a fighter you don't like for example). Just like General rank, total XP from a battle goes there but only to the nation you were playing.

3.Each plane you were playing, also gets XP, When you gather enough XP on a plane you get various unlocks for them(apart from rank 0 planes, they don't have any unlocks), some planes have mor of them thanthe other. You gain plane XP for basically doing shit with it (you can check stats after a battle, and see whats what, just)

4. Crew XP. Basically its like plane exp. only its for the crew ,you get it for killing stuff etc. After a battle you get XP point that then you can spend to skill up your crew (cost of skilling up rises slowly, at the beginning it takes 1 XP point to get 1 skill point, but then it changes to 2 for 1, 3 for 1 etc.)

Q3: You can have as many planes as you want. There is no limit of planes you have, BUT there is limit on crews. Basically you start with 3 planes and 3 crews with each nations. Whenever you got to battle, you go with these 3(your whole line up), one gets shot down, you pick another one etc. But you can buy more crews, to have more "lives" per battle (you can have better choice of planes, and you can fight longer), You can have 5 crews per nation without spending any real money.  You can always change the planes in your line up whenever you want
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tedacious on 12-02-2013, 18:02:20
Feel free to add me by the way

Name's Tedacious.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 13-02-2013, 18:02:16
I'm RDDT_Fh2Hi for those interested.

Loving the Japanese tree, albeit I'm only rank 3 so far. So maneuverable its crazy.


Liking the Ami tree too but the P-40 has the maneuverability of a barrel.  I can't stand the German tree the planes are too unmaneuverable even at L3
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tedacious on 13-02-2013, 20:02:52
Started with british tree, but after getting the Hurricane I've (for the time being) switched to soviet, with the promise of a MiG eventually, and heavy bombers as well.
Plus, love the look of the soviet planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 13-02-2013, 21:02:13
If it has Mig 3 i am sold.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 13-02-2013, 21:02:45
Whats better than Hurricane MK.2? A black Hurricane Mk.2, what a great camo. Awesome plane, 12 mgs, rockets, bombs, fully upgraded and with expert crew. I'm keeping it. I wish for the MK.2 version with 4x20mm cannons.
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5404/shot20130213194059.jpg)
What a beauty.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 13-02-2013, 22:02:02
Nope, it does not have MiG 3... Isn't there anyone who likes this plane?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 13-02-2013, 22:02:20
Bouras, it will probably be added. These are definitely not the full trees
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 13-02-2013, 23:02:55
Hmm i'll wait till then then.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 13-02-2013, 23:02:20
Looks like it will be added soon I guess, as it's listed in the soviet fighters-tree on their website along with many other airplanes if I'm not mistaken:
http://warthunder.com/upload/image/TREES/ussr_fighters.png (http://warthunder.com/upload/image/TREES/ussr_fighters.png)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 13-02-2013, 23:02:52
Oh nice! Might as well get the game for some experience then.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 14-02-2013, 13:02:41
wow, I must tell you! This game is a blast! Although im only rank 2 in the German tree, I enjoy this game alot. It is so satisfying to get a kill!

I really hope they'll add the Dornier Pfeil. It's just something about that plane that tingles my minime.  Can't wait to get ME 110.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 14-02-2013, 14:02:07
Played a few rounds last night, it is good fun but i hate the fact the starting russian plane has a zoomed in sight.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 14-02-2013, 16:02:41
A lot of low tier planes have that for some reason and it makes it pretty much impossible to hit properly as you don't see much through it at all. Most airplanes don't have it though.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 14-02-2013, 16:02:25
Hmmm Any ideas which unlock tree the MiG3 will be in?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 14-02-2013, 17:02:10
I assume in the second tree from the left between La-7 and Mig-9 somewhere, as there are 3 migs in the tree already, so it would make sense if Mig-3 is added there too. THere is also a big level gap in that tree with La-5 being a level 11 plane, La-7 being lvl 14 and mig-9 being level 18 plane. So would make much sense if it's added there.

But note that you won't take an eternity to unlock even when you go for a different tree. Unlike in WoT you unlock all airplanes of the level you are with that nation and not just on a certain tree. You also earn enough money and just need to buy the other airplanes when you went for a different tree. So this should not be too big of a problem :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 14-02-2013, 21:02:41
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/70b44a95974288f3ebb48c4754599dd2/tumblr_mi6ksry4Fj1r8dl06o1_1280.jpg)
Quote
An F2A3 Buffalo equipped with 2x 100lb bombs flies over head surveying the naval damage to each side before diving on an M.C. 202 and taking out it’s left wing


It was a fun match
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 14-02-2013, 21:02:03
I tried downloading this game, but launcher was downloading at 150kb/s and torrent button sent me to nonexistant page. Didn't even want to try  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 14-02-2013, 21:02:12
I tried downloading this game, but launcher was downloading at 150kb/s and torrent button sent me to nonexistant page. Didn't even want to try  ;D
The launcher has really crappy speeds sometimes, don't even know how it works, but it needs to be fixed ASAP.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 14-02-2013, 22:02:28
Is it just me or are German planes generally totally undergunned? I mean the Tier 3 Hurricane MK II gets 12 MGs ... on this Tier Germans have the Stuka and the Macchi series with 2 MGs each. Later Spitfire has 4 MGs and 2 Cannons (Tier 5) while at the same Tier the BF 109 has 2 MGs and 2 Cannons. Even the T0 planes of the Russians and British have 4 Mgs, while the German ones have 2... I don´t even start about the Beaufighter. What´s the general advantage of flying German aircraft? I don´t see any. If I have to fly with the BF109 behind the target and have to hit it for about 10 secs straight to achieve a kill and then get strafed by a Hurricane that is 3 Tiers below me and it gets me in one salvo, I seriously don´t get the balance.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 14-02-2013, 22:02:51
German tree is to this game as American tree (when first patched) is to WoT
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 14-02-2013, 22:02:09
Is it just me or are German planes generally totally undergunned? I mean the Tier 3 Hurricane MK II gets 12 MGs ... on this Tier Germans have the Stuka and the Macchi series with 2 MGs each. Later Spitfire has 4 MGs and 2 Cannons (Tier 5) while at the same Tier the BF 109 has 2 MGs and 2 Cannons. Even the T0 planes of the Russians and British have 4 Mgs, while the German ones have 2... I don´t even start about the Beaufighter. What´s the general advantage of flying German aircraft? I don´t see any. If I have to fly with the BF109 behind the target and have to hit it for about 10 secs straight to achieve a kill and then get strafed by a Hurricane that is 3 Tiers below me and it gets me in one salvo, I seriously don´t get the balance.

Well you see... they give a crap about your "balance"... They are doing this right, historical accuracy > everything else... Although German FMs are nowhere near final, and Russians are a bit OPed at the moment (they will fix that). Also the Beaufighter and the various British are probably going to be revised... I don't think they will keep the heavily loaded Hurricanes so fast and agile.

And you know... beta...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 14-02-2013, 22:02:46
Is it just me or are German planes generally totally undergunned? I mean the Tier 3 Hurricane MK II gets 12 MGs ... on this Tier Germans have the Stuka and the Macchi series with 2 MGs each. Later Spitfire has 4 MGs and 2 Cannons (Tier 5) while at the same Tier the BF 109 has 2 MGs and 2 Cannons. Even the T0 planes of the Russians and British have 4 Mgs, while the German ones have 2... I don´t even start about the Beaufighter. What´s the general advantage of flying German aircraft? I don´t see any. If I have to fly with the BF109 behind the target and have to hit it for about 10 secs straight to achieve a kill and then get strafed by a Hurricane that is 3 Tiers below me and it gets me in one salvo, I seriously don´t get the balance.
Bf109 G-6,with 2x15mm MG and 3x30mm cannon, one second burst mass:12 kg... second best in the game (the first is Me262, 4x 30mm cannon 14kg OSBM), for comparison, the most powerful British plane, the Beaufighter MkX with 4 cannons and 6 x .50 cal gets "mere" 8.8 kg OSBM. Americans have even less firepower.
Besides German MG are better than other MG's (just compare OSMB per MG)  Germans also get a bunch of fun planes, like Stuka G with 2x 37mm cannons, Me410 with 50mm cannon and He111 with 32x100lb bomb loadout (most bombs in the game) And remember, forward firepower is not everything(though it is a bit) :D

I wouldn't say that any nation is seriously "underpowered", though Russians start out pretty crazy on tier 0 (4 "same" fighters, very agile, twice the number of MG than anyone else, and they can have bombs just WTF)

TBH all planes feel fine, no problems flying any nations.(but look at russian fighters, most of them have really crappy weapons, like 2 mgs and one cannon or something) And i have never felt anything to be overpowered.

Also the Beaufighter and the various British are probably going to be revised... I don't think they will keep the heavily loaded Hurricanes so fast and agile.

And you know... beta...
Since when is hurricane fast and agile? Its perfectly average at best, Its slower than USAAF tier 1 fighter, Hell sometimes it has problems chasing bombers. Its "heavy weaponry" (yeah, good luck shooting down bomber with .303 MG's) is the only thing it has.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 14-02-2013, 23:02:33
^ I was referring to the Mk II... I saw a guy bring down like 8 planes in that thing before crashing into a mountain because of wing damage...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 14-02-2013, 23:02:16
I know you were, MkI has 8 MGs. I guess he was just a lucky/good player, they happen. Trust me, unless you have serious speed advantage over somebody(or a bunch of friends around you) when you're in MkII Hurri, you lost, there's nothing you can do.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 15-02-2013, 15:02:52
Made my first 4 kills with a single plane...that felt good. I am now Lv1 Rusky!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 15-02-2013, 20:02:23
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/882/shot20130215202639.jpg)
Catalina, get your own today!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 16-02-2013, 01:02:18
But but... how?  :o
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 16-02-2013, 13:02:47
Port Strike + 4x1000lbs bombs on Catalina + a bit of luck = this
On Port Strike (or whatever its called), If you are on the northern team (starting over land) there is a shit ton of targets on the beach (there's a beach landing going on after all). There's lots of them, and all very close to each other, with one 1000lbs you can easily take out at least 3-4 targets, also, destroyers go down with one carefully placed bomb (needs to hit the enter of the deck). I managed to stay over the targets for
2-3 minutes, enough to reload 2 times by flying like a drunken maniac, before the left wing finally gave up and i ended up in my own bombs  :(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: NTH on 16-02-2013, 23:02:15
At what altitude do you dromp bombs with the Blenheim's, Beau's , etc.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 17-02-2013, 00:02:26
I don't fly those, can't help you there really. Although I would use Beau more as a fighter than bomber I guess, as it owns everything in the air too. So I'd just hunt enemy planes flying around 1000m high and then diving a bit down, dropping bombs and looking for the next aerial target or if you want to concentrate on bombing with it just gain some height.

Does not make too much sense using this bombing scope in like 3k+ meter altitude with a Beau I think though, that's more for a Catilina with 16 100lb's probably. Personally I'm also not good enough to hit moving ground targets with few 500lb from that altitude.

------
I'm currently flying the Avenger and love it. Spent like 120k lions in order to buy Dauntless and Avenger yesterday and after playing a bit today I got it nearly back already. The waist gunners rule pretty hard and I usually manage to shoot down enemy planes with it every round :P

Will be awesome when I have one more experienced gunner and many skill points on it.

Btw, any opinions on F4F-4 wildcat and Hellcat, is it worth getting one of them? They don't have like too great guns but can be equipped with rockets and bombs. I actually want a ncie fighter plane though,

I could imagine that the Wildcat is quite well armoured and takes some hits, but hard to estimate and there are not really much sources yet where you could go and have a look at the positive and negative aspects of the planes.

The other option is to ge left tree for Airacobra which has a cannon, but I'M afraid I can't handle this airplane well with gamepad, in a mission I played it felt very unstable and like reacting very sensitive on tiny stick movements, so not sure about that.

Anyway, I need a good fighter fast, got 1 P40 which is okay and then this improved Buffalo version which feels like having a rocket propulsion in its ass going 500 km/h and being totally uncontrollable, I always feel like steering a V2 in it ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 17-02-2013, 00:02:04
I don't fly those, can't help you there really. Although I would use Beau more as a fighter than bomber I guess, as it owns everything in the air too.
He most likely meant Beaufort, not Beaufighter :D
At what altitude do you dromp bombs with the Blenheim's, Beau's , etc.
Going hight alt. with them is pointless tbh (unless there are thick clouds, that guarantee you can't be seen by the enemy) I use them for dive bombing (arcade mode 'n shit), and then just use the speed i picked up to run away (Blenheim can get to around 530, Beaufort is good for 600+ , no Tier 3 plane can catch you at that speed)
to my team. Generally flying low and fast makes more sense than trying to stay high, you can destroy way more targets that way, making sure every single bomb hits. If you really want to stay high, I'd say 1500-2000 should be allright.

Btw, any opinions on F4F-4 wildcat and Hellcat, is it worth getting one of them? They don't have like too great guns but can be equipped with rockets and bombs. I actually want a ncie fighter plane though,
I haven't used them personally, but people seem to be doing all right with them, rockets are always fun on a plane :D
The other option is to ge left tree for Airacobra which has a cannon, but I'M afraid I can't handle this airplane well with gamepad, in a mission I played it felt very unstable and like reacting very sensitive on tiny stick movements, so not sure about that.
DON'T, I just got one yesterday, dream crushed, it's horrible. This thing WOBBLES, just constant wobbling like its made of gel or something, 37 is pretty much random, one time it blows up planes in one shot, other it can hit Stuka 3 times and nothing happens. And it terribly bleeds off speed in the corners. It needs fixing, for now its impossible to fly (talking about the 4x.50cal P39Q, P39N is only slightly better, but still very bad)
Anyway, I need a good fighter fast, got 1 P40 which is okay and then this improved Buffalo version which feels like having a rocket propulsion in its ass going 500 km/h and being totally uncontrollable, I always feel like steering a V2 in it ;D

Upgraded P40 is very nice, with engine + fuel its pretty fast, polished fuselage should make it even better(don't have that yet).
I have no idea what you're talking about the Buffalo, It seemed great to me, super fast, good armament, reasonably maneuverable, nice and stable. I kept it until I got the Aircobra.
Have you got the A20 yet? That makes a really funny super heavy fighter. :D

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 17-02-2013, 01:02:47
Thanks for your opinions.

Dunno about Buffallo, I desperately want to get rid of it for long time no, I just can't control this plane. If I would manage my speed more carefully I'd maybe be able to to do something, but I'm usually going too fast unintentionally and I dunno. Furthermore, my wing literally ALWAYS gets shot off when I am behind a bomber after a few seconds already.

Anyway, P40 is nice indeed. But only with the upgrades. Before it was okay, but nothing more. I have it fully upgraded now and I'm fine with it, but I just need a second fighter plane that I can handle properly. Best would be some firepower as I still struggle to keep the aim on the target with gamepad, so I'm not really sure if I should be going for the Airacobra anyway.

But I also played the mission with it again, and the turn rate is horrible and it indeed wobbles, was nearly unable to keep it stable in order to aim at a ground target, on the other hand it has a 30mm cannon ;D

This guy in the video is just using the cannon on quite long range to snipe the enemy and does not use the mg, so he can follow the tracer better (also mgs don't do much dmg at that distance anyway) He does not even try to turn, just flying high sniping unsuspecting people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_81FclfCoQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_81FclfCoQk) Watch @ 11:30 and 13:30 for example.

Not sure if it's my style of flying though. And when someone is behind you you are pretty fucked in that plane I think.
Looks like a good, or maybe the best possible way to fly the plane anyway, worth to give it a try.
Also thinking about getting it because I need to unlock left tree earlier or later anyway. But I think I'll listen to your advice and don't go for it.

Dunno, about A20, don't have a need for a Bomber and it looks a bit too fat to me, in comparance to a Beaufighter for example.

Guess the Americans just don't have the real fighter planes at that stage. Most seem to be better fighter-bombers. But although it fits into this exact fighter-bomber category, I'll get the Hellcat I think. As you said, rockets are always fun :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 17-02-2013, 01:02:40
Why the hell is his Aircobra NOT all over the sky?! He seems to be flying with mouse and keyboard just like me, and yet for some reason P39 just wobbles for me all over the place, combat flaps or not, going slow or fast, meanwhile he is cool and stable, sniping people with the 37mm at 900km/h. I don't understand.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 17-02-2013, 16:02:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaMv4ZXZX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaMv4ZXZX0) ;D

Had to stop playing, decreasing my madness level.

Hellcat seems to be quite slow without upgrades and I'm realizing I'm just fucking sick of this 6x 12.7mm mgs, that make you shoot the enemy plane for 5 mins, while some 109 dives down and gives you 3 hits. No matter how good the plane itself is, as long as there are US mgs and no cannons, it's simply bullshit when you fly without mouse controls. All I'm doing is scoring hits and getting few kill assists or just flying bombers. Had my first aerial killstreak of 3 in this game today with a bunch of lucky hits in the P40 though. Nice on the one hand, pathetic on the other.

Think I'm gonna dump the US tree and go for some serious firepower, 109's, Spitfires, Beaufighter and stuff like that. Seriously, these Us fighters firepower is simply bullshit compared to what other nations get on level 6 airplanes, and you don't even have an advantage in maneuvering over mouse aimers, so although I like some planes like Catalina and Avenger, going US was a big mistake as the fighters just suck balls until you get high level.

Also thinking about playing Brit and getting the HUrricaneMk.II, maybe I'm more succesful with that one and it appears to be one of the planes with decent firepower at that stage. Furthermore the Beaufighter might be a good choice after that.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 17-02-2013, 19:02:37
Really? I find I do best with the American fighters at level 4 so far. Japanese coming in at a close second
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 17-02-2013, 21:02:40
They are fine when you can play with them, but my problem is that I can't lead the target long enough, because I am not using mouse. It's very hard to adjust pitch yaw and roll to perfectly keep the aim on them, then add the maneuvers they perform and a few hits is usually all I can score.

So I would actually recommend the US for mouse aimers, as the way the planes behave in the air is quite good, but the low-mid tier US planes just lack firepower and the Airacobra with its cannon is just too broken to fly it properly.

So for me it's probably better to go for max firepower in order to be able to score kills, but the US tree is not bad in general, compared to the German planes the firepower is not good though, although there are some great planes for the Us too later on (Best version of Corsair for example (Lvl12 plane) with 4x 30mm cannons)

Regarding mouse aim in general I have to say:

Although it is not a bad idea, it kinda dumps balance as mouse aimers have to move the mouse a bit while I have to adjust pitch, roll and yaw with different buttons and axes. Then turning with mouse is not harder either and thanks to a stupid arrow showing where the enemy plane is, there is no way to get away from the enemy and outsmart him (therefore full-retard proof). A keyboard and mouse control, maybe a bit FH2 like would be better. Right now you can just completely forget arcade mode with joystick and gamepad as nearly everyone else is fyling mouse aim and has advantages only from it. Furthermore 50% of the maps have those weird 90 degree sloped mountains, a terrain that does not favour me at all either.Pretty sucky overall. I'm not the only one thinking like that and I just hope they do something about it or I'm out of this game as fast as I got into it.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: NTH on 17-02-2013, 22:02:14
I find people are too lazy to do the climb to 3000+ m, thus I am relatively safe. But dropping bombs and hitting is kinda hard and I don't know what the bombs sight is set fto.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 18-02-2013, 00:02:44
Yeah, I'd like the bomber sights to be better adjusted. I usually fly 3000+ as bomber and 2500 as fighter. Can't hit a thing as bomber from 3000
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 18-02-2013, 01:02:13
Huh? they auto-adjust depending on the speed, height, angle etc. (at least in arcade mode), bombs always hit where the sight shows, ofc. 3km is quite high, so hitting may be hard even when zoomed in, and obviously, bombing moving targets is super hard.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 18-02-2013, 14:02:15
Bombs always have some kind of deviation, but this is neglectable on fighter bomber altitudes. The bomb blast is also very big so it's hard to actually miss.

On heights of 3km+ however, it's fairly easy for the bombs to miss their targets. Even a 1% deviation (lets take accuracy based on height) would mean it can fall 30 meters off target easily (even presuming you magically aimed dead-on) at heavy bomber altitudes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 18-02-2013, 15:02:13
I am playing the german tree atm and have to say that it is damn difficult to get a good round with the planes. Russian and british planes seem alot more agile and the weapon loadouts are better ofcourse. Even with a He112 B0 I get serious problems against russian level 1 fighter planes. The HE 112 B0 has good weapons but it just flies like a brick and if you encounter more than one enemy on your tail you are done. An information about the armor of the different planes would be cool. Atm it feels quite random how I kill planes. A fat bomber is down within a few bursts and a tinny rushian fighter like the Chaika takes a shit load of bursts.

I tried the HE 111 H3 for the first time yesterday and have to get used to the bombing mechanic. What annoys me is the fact that I can't switch between the 32x50kg bombs and the 8x250kg bombs from the beginning. As soon as I buy the 32x50kg loadout and replace the starter loadout, I have to unlock the starter rack again. I don't know how this is solved for other bombers, but it seems a bit unlogical and stupid tbh that I have to grind through levels for something again that I can use from the beginning.

But the game is fun as hell, when you play it with a whole squad of four poeple. I wish there was a possibility to get more people into one squad  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 18-02-2013, 18:02:38
you're all talkin in kilometers here, but I've always been confused about the alt meter - is it in feet or meters? I assume it's meters because the alt meter in my P-40's cockpit says something else and it has written FEET on the gauge.. just wanna make sure
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 18-02-2013, 19:02:21
you're all talkin in kilometers here, but I've always been confused about the alt meter - is it in feet or meters? I assume it's meters because the alt meter in my P-40's cockpit says something else and it has written FEET on the gauge.. just wanna make sure

You can set it to whatever you want in the Options... don't know about the cockpit alt meter though...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 18-02-2013, 19:02:38
You can change between imperial and metric in the options. Anyways! Still hooked on the game, now level 8 with die Luftwaffe! Me410 has tremendous firepower, but is slow and the turning capabilities of a HE 111. When you get 6 kg's of 1 second burst mass, then you have to trade something away, I guess...

The StuKa's are alright. The D-5 version is quite good. But it's still way too slow. Everything would be on your tail when you are finished with your dive and you tries to get away.

I got the tier six S.79 italian medium bomber too. It's fast climbs to 5000 meters in no time, and has an okey load of 5 x 250 kg bombs. the problem: it don't hit SHIT. I don't know if something's wrong with the plane or it's because I'm too high, but I always seem to miss my targets. So I must say I like the HE111 abit better, since I actually hit what I aim for.

The Messerschitts... Not much to say. Wonderful machines, but I feel they are a tad too frail. But what are their main strength?  Does it outturn or get outturned? Should I speed straight forward if I get someone on my tail?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 19-02-2013, 01:02:24

The Messerschitts... Not much to say. Wonderful machines, but I feel they are a tad too frail. But what are their main strength?  Does it outturn or get outturned? Should I speed straight forward if I get someone on my tail?

They are good at vertical maneuvering/climbing and it is best to be always higher and/or faster than the opponent and an good dive can kill an opponent in one run with the 20mm guns and is very good against bombers, also when facing planes that are also good or better at vertical maneuvering try to be as fast as possible because most planes can't keep up with the Bf109

With using these tactics I already achieved this some days ago ;).
(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/1064/germanbf109e3.jpg)

Also Bf109G2 is not better that F4 except that it is cheaper when lost.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 19-02-2013, 02:02:10
Gotta edit my opinion about the Hellcat. Great fighter-bomber plane. With 2x 1000lb bombs and 6x HVAR rockets you can really do succesful ground strikes. I don't have upgrades yet, but I was wrong about the speed. This plane is quite fast without upgrades, especially when you go in a slightly angled dive and throw out your bombs and rockets. The speed is the key to get away after the strafing run and come back to go for the enemy planes after that. I've also been able to shoot down bombers with the rockets already. I think when I hit all 6 I can even kill Destroyers but it's also great for strafing landing enemy planes or when you are facing an enemy fighter head on. Additionally the Hellcat is not made of paper, turns quite okay and can take some hits. With motor and fuselage upgrade it should be a very decent airplane, perfectly suited for fast ground strikes with the US-typical disadvantage of not having the greatest guns equipped.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 19-02-2013, 16:02:01
Ladies and gentlemen, I present you the most OP plane in the game: the Soviet premium PBY-5a Catalina. It's tier 1. It has 4 gunners. It has 4x1000 lb bombs. it is amazing.



(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k619/Hjaldrgud/shot20130218235546.jpg)
My lucky lady who replies
The Goddess of the skies
Blows up many a tank
Gives incoming fighters a spank!




(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k619/Hjaldrgud/shot20130218234010.jpg)
Typical days work for the Catalina. The money and exp this wonder produces is OFF THE CHARTS!




(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k619/Hjaldrgud/shot20130219154505.jpg)
Come at me bro
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 19-02-2013, 16:02:34
Tried the German starting planes today, overall i like that they have good visibility but rage quited after everyone and his mother killed me in 1 shot...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 19-02-2013, 16:02:50
Tried the German starting planes today, overall i like that they have good visibility but rage quited after everyone and his mother killed me in 1 shot...

Do yourself a favor and take the russian or british planes. You will only have fun with the BF109 at T6 and the M.C. 202 at T4. All previous planes play like grap. Might also be the problem that I get into fights with T10+ planes like FW190 or P38 quite fast, as I play with three other people in one squad and we have squad rank 6. And gaining high experience is difficult in the first levels with the german planes. He111 H3 helps a bit and BF 109 but all other planes are no killers.

IL2 seems to be quite nice. A TS mate shot down 17 planes in one round and got like 32000 experience. Requires some dumb players in the enemy team though who always attack head on.  ;D

Japanese planes are fun in the beginning levels as they are very agile and have good weapons.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 19-02-2013, 16:02:53
yeah, the japanese reserves are good, but the soviet trumps all with 4 machineguns and 14.1 sec turningtime. pair them up with the T1 premium catalina and you will never run out of money.

I can't wait to get to the FW's. They are so dangerous and respected. When a Fockewulf has the height advantage, it can dominate everything. I also REALLY start to like the ME410's now! The 50 mm Bordkanone is amazing! I just sniped a Japanese KI-49 bomber with one shot from 1.2 km away. It was EPIC. When it hits, it rips the plane apart. I highly recommend it!  But the disadvantage is that it turns like a bus.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 19-02-2013, 17:02:33
Ladies and gentlemen, I present you the most OP plane in the game: the Soviet premium PBY-5a Catalina. It's tier 1. It has 4 gunners. It has 4x1000 lb bombs. it is amazing.

LOL thanks for the tip, bought one and it's quite amazing indeed.

All rounds however inevitably end with a biplane launching himself into your wing out of frustration after shooting you for the last 10 minutes. But other than that it's really fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 19-02-2013, 17:02:16
I went for German to keep me occupied till MiG 3 was in the game... But i guess i'll continue up the Russian line.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 19-02-2013, 17:02:52
guys is there any other way to get them eagles than buying them? or am I going to have to set up a pay-pal acc?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 19-02-2013, 17:02:17
You can get 210 for completing tutorials, and that's it I think
And yeah, The Soviet Cat is quite the thing, just like the USAAF one, only 2 ranks lower. Unless somebody with a biplane can properly aim, they won't take you out.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 19-02-2013, 17:02:38
Ladies and gentlemen, I present you the most OP plane in the game: the Soviet premium PBY-5a Catalina. It's tier 1. It has 4 gunners. It has 4x1000 lb bombs. it is amazing.

LOL thanks for the tip, bought one and it's quite amazing indeed.

All rounds however inevitably end with a biplane launching himself into your wing out of frustration after shooting you for the last 10 minutes. But other than that it's really fun.
Yeah, ramming is the only way noobs can take them out. An advanced player would just  focus all the fire on one of the engines/wings. It takes a couple of reloads, but it's much more effective than shooting at its body.  As long as you are at 3,500+ metres, most of the enemy planes would not bother/are unable to climb up to you.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 19-02-2013, 18:02:40
As Musti said before I think, the biggest disadvantage is that the gunners can't shoot the enemy planes that are directly behind you. It's not a problem with those biplanes, but with US Catilina stronger planes just sit in your neck only a few meters away and fuck you up with some hits.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 19-02-2013, 20:02:05
yeah. You need to wiggle and turn quite often.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 19-02-2013, 20:02:23
Bah, played about 10 rounds so far and while it's usually great fun I've been rammed out of the sky in 8 of them. One time an AAA shot my wing clean off from 2 km away (lol) and the 10th time I stayed alive and destroyed about 53 ground targets and 4 planes.

Getting rammed all the time is getting pretty annoying though.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 19-02-2013, 21:02:19
Going head on against a Stuka G-2 is not smart. I Got my right wing trolled off...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 20-02-2013, 13:02:52
Shot Ki-200 down with He-51. Few shots head on and it blazed in flames and booyaa! Hercules!

Other than that Yak-9T is totally OP as is LA-5.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 20-02-2013, 16:02:21
Started really using the HE111 H3 with the 8x250 loadout though. What annoys me is that you have to play it like a dive bomber to effeciently use it as some enemy planes will always go just for the bombers. So bombing the targets as fast as possible is a must when you want to have some success.

I wish they would implement a function that let bombers spawn much higher. There are some maps where the bombers spawn at the same hight as the defending fighters and that's pretty redicilous. You don't have a chance to reach the target with heavy and slower bomber.

Matchmaking needs a serious improvement in my POV. I get into battles with FW190 (T11) or He162 (T17) with one T6 plane and four T4 planes and that's certainly not fun. It is equal whether they are in your or in the enemy team, but they are certainly the only players who have fun with 20+ shot down planes.

There seems to be a option to set the range of Tiers for a battle, but it is greyed out yet. I hope that it gets activated asap.

On a last note: if you own Wings of Prey wich was developed by the same studio and register it you get 500 gold eales extra. A TS mate did so and it seemed to work. You should give it a try.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 20-02-2013, 17:02:14
Yeah. There should have been a third spawn for high altitude bomber.. Maybe at 5000 m


(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k619/Hjaldrgud/shot20130220002132.jpg) Another victim of my hornet. Btw, have you guys seen a German plane with painted jaws IRL? I don't want to get too unhistorical. I think I've seen one, but I'm not sure.

(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k619/Hjaldrgud/shot20130220152654.jpg) I shot a MiG-9 down in the very first minute of the match. Felt good man. "Balancer" achievement FTW.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 21-02-2013, 07:02:09
Germans where the first ones to paint jaws on their planes (BF110, Stukas).

American P-40 followed the trend.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 21-02-2013, 12:02:05
Had some good rounds with the HE 111 H3 and JU 88 yesterday. The JU 88 is even more awesome as it can carry 36 bombs at once. Sometimes I really stress my spacebar  ;D

With the bombers you get really high scores and if you skill your crew and plane the right way you have the chance to shoot down some planes with it too. I had like 2 or 3 20000+ XP matches yesterday but you need some luck to drop all you bombs more than just one time.

I had also some funny matchmaking bugs again, where Tier 1 players in my team had to fight against a team of a Meteor, a Mig 15 and La7 + some other filler planes. That was some crazy sh*t, but those noobs still lost  ;D

The HE 111 is such a damn beautiful plane and with a escort fighter it rocks even moar:

(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i359/5hitm4k3r/shot20130219015523_zps627cda2e.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 21-02-2013, 13:02:15
Tasty target for my ME410!  ;D
Although i would have kept my distance when there's a Yak around...

What about the pillboxes? you cant take them out with 50kgs? I prefer 250 kg. more allrounder.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: th_battleaxe on 21-02-2013, 14:02:15
For the jaws: try googling a Bf 110 of the ZG.26
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 21-02-2013, 18:02:22
Tasty target for my ME410!  ;D
Although i would have kept my distance when there's a Yak around...

What about the pillboxes? you cant take them out with 50kgs? I prefer 250 kg. more allrounder.

Yep, I prefere the 250kg loadout too. On Africa Cannion I always go for the heavy tank convoys and if I can survive that long for the pillboxes and other AA positions - that all depends on the enemy team. That's a bit better about the Ju88 tbh. With that plane you have 4x250 and 32x50 in one load.

For me it matters more that I can take out as many targets as possible with one strafe run to get as much multyplicator points as possible. If you dive with the Ju88 through a cannion and attack a convoy you have a good chance to kill 15+ ground targets with one strafe and that gives a shitload of XP. Pillboxes give good XP too but they are too scattered to connect them in one run with other targets.

Besides this will you have more possibilities on the maps with ships. One destroyers needs like two 250kg bombs. And they bring some good XP too.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 24-02-2013, 04:02:46
Tank trees got leaked. Looks realy promising and interesting:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3719084/War_Thunder_Tanks

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 24-02-2013, 09:02:41
Looks like I'm soon gonna be ditching WoT and start playing this instead, worth it? But I seriously hope that they haven't fucked up the tank combat in this.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 24-02-2013, 12:02:53
Tank trees got leaked. Looks realy promising and interesting:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3719084/War_Thunder_Tanks

That's fake because most pictures are taken from Blitzkrieg game (1 or 2), also I have read somewhere on the mainpage that tanks for players are not going to be ingame untill after the first release. :(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 24-02-2013, 12:02:09
Tank trees got leaked. Looks realy promising and interesting:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3719084/War_Thunder_Tanks

Fan made trees, not real.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 24-02-2013, 12:02:15
Might still start War Thunder, since WoWP seems to take forever to get released.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Archimonday on 24-02-2013, 23:02:37
Looking at this from a different view point, I don't believe players will be directing single Tanks, or trucks. The only way I could see a single tank being an acceptable use of a player slot in this case would be on maps specifically designed for Tanks, which would mean an absence of aircraft. Seeing as how the game already has awards for Ground, Air, and Naval Streaks, it is obvious that the developers want all three to be in the same game together. I believe that instead of single tanks and trucks, players will control an element of undetermined size, and operate their vehicles in a fashion similar to that of a Real Time Strategy game like Wargame European Escalation. That would not only keep the scope of the maps, but would make more sense due to the low resolution ground environments.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 25-02-2013, 03:02:51
That's one of the possiblities ofcourse. But if they can manage to get more players on one server I don't see too many problems. The nextcode and engine runs smooth as hell allready . If they can push the limits I don't see any reason why this shouldn't play like a Battlefield on a larger scale maybe comparable to the scale of ArmA. AA trucks are allready ingame, so implementing player controlled units like a Wirbelwind to escort some tanks isn't that far off from the possibilities. It allready works the same with escorting bombers. Tankfights will take place on a much smaller area ofcourse due to the speed of the vehicles.

If they find the right mix between planes, ships and tanks this can work quite well. And if AI controlled ground units or ships can kill enemy planes, a human brain can do alot more for sure. Ships can work the same like bombers, with different positions to switch through for the player and different objectives than the planes or tanks. First objective will be to encounter the enemy fleet and to defend against the attacking planes.

The game has allready a great feeling of freedom with alot of possibilities what you can do. Each faction plays different same as every scenario. I personaly hope for something like a battlefield concept.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out. It has alot of potential, if they don't f*ck it up
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Gezoes on 25-02-2013, 12:02:59
Might still start War Thunder, since WoWP seems to take forever to get released.

I alpha'd and beta'd WoWP. This is a way better game. The optimization is incredible. You can run it on fairly old pc's. Just a big middle finger to all the top end devs really.

- Great controls, FOR ONCE. Enjoy the tears of flight simulator, console kiddies and IL2 Sturmovik people.
- Enjoy the tears of rammed people (most are not intentional, shit just happens. But try telling them that).
- Different gamemodes (out of the box), that's right: 'Garage' Battles (Just admit it Wargaming, the engine can't do it.
- Lots of laughs.
- If you do get shot down quickly, with just a few shots: Sorry, you suck. Try turning once in a while.
- Good camera control, surround/rear view
- Fast progression, cool planes.
- Less kids than WoT, for now...

Fun game, that doesn't get itself strangled by being too realistic, oh wait, you can do that too. You still want that cockpit first person view? Done. A couple of driver issues, but overall, great fun and WAY better than what I saw of WoWP.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 25-02-2013, 14:02:21
TBH it is surprisingly realistic for a game thats supposed to be aimed at "average gamer". It tries to be arcadish, but IL2 roots are still there. Apart from terribad joystick controls.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Gezoes on 25-02-2013, 15:02:43
TBH it is surprisingly realistic for a game thats supposed to be aimed at "average gamer". It tries to be arcadish, but IL2 roots are still there. Apart from terribad joystick controls.

Indeed, something for everyone. I don't mind joystick control sucking, it's hardly surprising really. Since the late eighties, after the Arcade joystick glory days, I've never seen a game with solid joystick controls. Joysticks turned into hand-handles on a pin. That's not a joystick. They are simply too unaccurate, too tight, too light, basically too much sway/air around the pin. It needs to be embedded.

Also, one can't play as long with a joystick as with keyboard and mouse. It also prevents an influx of uberpilots, ruining the game for casual players and forcing an untimely demise of the game and its community. Wargaming is fuming at the mouth I'm sure. It's like a Beetle that sees a Ferrari woosh by. Ouch, and then some.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 01-03-2013, 23:03:57
My friend and I have this sick addiction to murdering the shit out of bombers with HVARs on our I-16s.

1 HVAR = dead bomber. 1sks PBYs, SB-2ms, etc.

We play with 1 I-16, two reserves, and a I-153 Chaika, just absolute murder in arcade
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 02-03-2013, 13:03:18
My friend and I have this sick addiction to murdering the shit out of bombers with HVARs on our I-16s.

1 HVAR = dead bomber. 1sks PBYs, SB-2ms, etc.

We play with 1 I-16, two reserves, and a I-153 Chaika, just absolute murder in arcade

And that's one of the big problems of this game so far. Bombers spawn too low and thus need too long to reach the target. If you really just concentrate on killing bombers with your team mates, they won't reach a single target. And it is even more annoying with those Beaufighters, wich don't seem to have proper physics implemented yet. They reach your spawn in no time and kill everything with one burst. On lower Tiers the recent system works but not on higher Tiers.

I stopped playing germans tbh, as it is not much fun. I play russian planes wich are superior in every single way. Better bombers with more reward and the bombs are easier to unlock (besides the premium bombers). My LaGG3 can stand a shit load of shots before it goes down, while my He111 H3 gets killed with one burst. LaGG3 is a Tier 3 plane and it just does fine in Tier 6 and higher.
It is a common tactic to attack german planes first as they seem to be made out of paper and you really can shred them with one burst. Tbh, I would like to see something like a armor sheme for all the planes.
Cal. 50 damage needs to be increased and those russian reserve fighters need physics. Atm they fly like ufos without any restriction and can even climb as fast as a BF 109 or Yak 7. Same goes for the Beaufighter wich seems to be overly fast and agile for a twin engine attacker. I didn't fly one myself, but I just hate them. When I start with a bomber and see them flying towards me I know that I am done ;D

The game is fun, but I just hope they fix those things asap. This bias towards a certain faction is just stupid. LaGG is a early 40's plane and you fight against mid/end 30's planes of the other nations. I know it is a beta and all, but I am certainly not the only one who noticed this stuff.

The most lame planes so far: I15, I 16, I135, LaGG 3, Yak 9t and Beaufighter. But they are fun indeed

Atm I use Yak7b, Yak1b, LaGG3, Ar2 and SB 2M 103U (both with 3x500kg and expert crew with 70% reward bonus). That's a killer layout and I struggle most of the time to use all planes in one round.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 02-03-2013, 14:03:20
recomendation for using the bf-110?? It seems to be made of paper
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 02-03-2013, 17:03:32
German twin engine fighters are crap ME-410 is even more fragile than BF110 and is going to get even worse in future patches. Actually everything in German line is inferior until tier 6 BF109E. And even then German guns (MG151, mk108, stuka 37mm) are inferior to their allied counterparts for some unknown reason even though they were more powerful IRL (faster velocity and more explosives).

In Historical battles though BF109F and onward shine with their rope-a-dope capabilities and FW190s are awesome with their boom'n'zoom tactics. And will become even better when Russian planes and few US planes get nerfed with real flight models. In arcade though playing Germans is not advised unless you don't mind getting shafted by simplified physics.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 02-03-2013, 18:03:13
That´s the cool thing about the game. The planes act quite realistic. The BF 110 is an interceptor, not a dogfighter. You have excelent firepower for a Tier 4 plane. The cannons need alot of time to overheat. The real BF 110 tactic was to gain altitude and then finish off their target in one strike. Then fly away. The thing gets outturned very fast so do exactly the same. Also the Bf 110 is an excellent interceptor for Bombers. Stay behind them, or under them and then unload your 2 20mm cannons. It´s quite devastating. If you try to fight small one-engined aircraft on your own though, don´t expect to win. So in short: try to finish your target in one straight engagement.

Here is quite a usefull guide for the BF 110.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5yNxOkFAxU

The advantage the BF 109 have is the good climbing performance. You can gain altitude very fast. Later versions of the 109 have excellent armament with their 3 37mm cannons.

The only thing that is TOTAL SHIT however is the stupid balance for the ME 262. They match it versus Migs from the 1950ties just so it´s balanced. What´s the use of the most modern fighter that was faster than anything else at the time if you match it versus post-war aircraft? It totally fucks up the whole point of using a Me 262...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 02-03-2013, 19:03:50
I got BF110 some time ago, and i like it very much :D. its pretty, and it's pretty fast, but it fucking bleeds all the speed in the corners! seriously, its not even funny, even the slightest turn means a loss of 30km/h
My recommendation: go in as many straight lines as you can, It can pick up quite a lot of speed that way (and it turns rather well). The other problem are crappy MG FF cannons with their low ROF and low velocity.
I hope we get some later versions of BF110, with 151/20 cannons, hopefully an F or G or even better both.

We don't need no nerfing of anything.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 03-03-2013, 08:03:00
FF cannons do more damage in-game than MG151s. Hopefully MG151s will get fixed soon.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 03-03-2013, 18:03:58
I might as well cave in, my user name is siben, add me if you want to play with me.

Playing as the brits at the moment.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 04-03-2013, 00:03:10
If somebody is thinking about which nation to choose, I recommend not to choose Germans - they have really weak planes - 1 burst always takes them, doesn't matter if it's bomber or not... I took Germans and I'm on 8th level and I still regret my decision... But it's not a surprise if we take under consideration who made this game...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 04-03-2013, 08:03:20
The italian planes for the german side are really bad. The breda mg's are so slow and the planes are equally slow as a whale.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-03-2013, 10:03:26
i liked the tier 1 italian biplane.

anyway, my nickname is SiCaRiO31, flying tier 6 planes, german and american mostly :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 04-03-2013, 15:03:33
Fiat CR.42 and Folgore are pretty awesome fighters, the ones in between aren't though (mostly due to having shitty weapons, with very little ammo)

Is it just me or do we get more varied battles lately? I just had a bunch of night/rain/ foggy battles instead of the usual sunshine. I really enjoy them, fighting at night, with 0 visibility is epic.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 07-03-2013, 06:03:24
Just got the BF110, its ok for hit and run tactics, but its too fucking slow compared to the real thing. However I can kill more because of the 20mm cannon and it hits hard, but lacks acceleration.  In IL2 Sturmovik that thing its a beast and in the game its kinda crappy, flies way too slow.

Im going to upgrade it as soon as I get to 6th rank to the next in line, that its superior and faster.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 07-03-2013, 12:03:32
Oh, BF 110 is quite fast, but it loses all of its speed when turning,(like 400km/h to 200km/h in one turn). It's a really bad joke this plane. In everything else its very nice, but that speed bleeding, WTF.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 07-03-2013, 12:03:13
i learn how to use it, but it requires a friend of mine.

1.- have this friend fly a bomber
2.- scort the bomber around 1.5 km behind
3.- make your friend bomb ships
4.- dive full speed, catch up with him..
5.- kill the 3 or 4 tails he picked in his bombing run
6.- repeat.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 07-03-2013, 17:03:48
Is it normal that i shoot down 2 to 3 fighters every time i take out my blenheim Mk IV? They keep coming at me from the top, and i keep shooting them down manually every time i spot them.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 08-03-2013, 00:03:27
If you're good with aiming/have a good crew then I guess it's normal :D, Blenheim has really good defensive armament, esp. for its rank, full coverage of the rear, minimum of 2 machineguns firing. I'm still sometimes flying it in tier 6 battles, and it's not useless, I'm working for that 30 kills camouflage, wish you could install the gun pack on it, would be hell of a lot easier :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 08-03-2013, 18:03:59
I don't have much info on this game so:

Does "Gold" work similar to WoT Gold? to buy slots, airplanes, special shit ?, is there any way to get gold except by paying for it?

Can anybody tell me how Naval Combat would work? I'm really interested in that part. I'd love to have a Bismarck Class Battleship, if possible.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 08-03-2013, 22:03:09
As far as I know, slots are bought with regular credits (at least to 5 slots @ 50 000 creds), and gold is used to buy nation specific planes like in WoT, and also to buy "Talismans" that increase exp earned in battles (not sure about credits).

No naval combat in War Thunder yet.  But since WoT has tank combat already depicted inaccurately enough, i suspect that naval combat would be next.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 08-03-2013, 22:03:33
Okay, I will go for the German tree so, i don't really care about the others. Perhaps i can progress a bit on the Japanese one for the lulz.

My target, get the Schwalbe!

I hope we can see more Luft-46 airplanes in the future.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 08-03-2013, 23:03:51
I'm quite new to this game, so my loadout is as follows:

USA: F2A-1, F2A-3, PBY-5 and PBY-5a
Germany: M.C.200 series 3 and 7, He 112 w/1x20mm,  JU.-87B2
UK: Hurricane mkI, Hurricane mkII, Blenheim and Beaufort
USSR: the reserve ones, havent played this nation at all.
Japan: Ki-10, A5M4, Ki-43-II, D3A1
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 09-03-2013, 04:03:20
do you guys play arcade battles mostly?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 09-03-2013, 04:03:01
A shame we cant buy the same plane again to fill the slots.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 09-03-2013, 05:03:53
do you guys play arcade battles mostly?

Apparently, from my experience, these seem to be the most popular battles.

Historical ones, or Germany vs USA are not my type of thing and usually takes a bit of time to get into a battle. When a US Server comes out I'll jump into these, because 274ms is not very good for me and the realistic Battles, i never had the opportunity to play one.. doesn't seem to be very popular.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 09-03-2013, 06:03:58
I play HB only these days, before played arcade but then turned into HB. The flight model in arcade is so simple that BnZ, rope'a'dope and many other tactics unusable and fights mainly centers upon turnfighting. Also no high altitude fights and same boring missions all over again, HB also gives more exp and credits as far as you can play and you can lose only one plane at time so all my planes are getting auto repaired.

Never back to arcade. German get bit shafted though against american with the underpowered MG151 currently in bulge but eventually it'll get fixed. Also LA-5FN is even more OP in HB as is most non flight modeled planes. German planes without flight models under perform though.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 09-03-2013, 06:03:07
BF110 its so damn slow, and the italian machine guns are ultra slow and very crappy. I especially despise german 7.92 machine guns as well.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 09-03-2013, 13:03:12
The only Italian plane I've liked so far is the CR.42 Falco, which is excellent for its tier. It's faster and more agile and better armed than any other tier 1 biplane.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 09-03-2013, 14:03:16
*cough* Chaika *cough*

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 09-03-2013, 14:03:53
I cannot play Historical battles with brits, any idea how I could do that?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 09-03-2013, 14:03:53
when there's a map with Brits on it...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 09-03-2013, 18:03:10
That isnt always the case. Yesterday when I tried to play battle of britain. I got a warning saying "You need a tier 3 from: USSR.

Dafuq...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 09-03-2013, 19:03:37
*cough* Chaika *cough*
As mentioned before, I haven't played a single battle with USSR.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 09-03-2013, 21:03:54
CR.42 is nice, definitely best tier 1 biplane in the game, but Chaika is not even a biplane, its a TIE fighter   armed with miniguns.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 09-03-2013, 22:03:09
In other words, it's Russian biased OP.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 10-03-2013, 00:03:23
Any way to earn gold eagles other than buy them?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 10-03-2013, 12:03:08
Any way to earn gold eagles other than buy them?
Finish the tutorial missions.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 10-03-2013, 23:03:19
What is th diference between the 2 catelina's?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 10-03-2013, 23:03:06
one has landing gear, the other one does not
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 11-03-2013, 01:03:05
PBY-5a is amphibious, has (supposedly) a little better armor, and its slightly faster in a straight line because of reasons, also it's much less maneuverable than the 5, I'd say that 5 is better overall. I'm pretty sure they're there so you can have 2 bombers at your disposal.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 11-03-2013, 03:03:46
For me, they continue to be slow whales. They continue to be the favorite pray of my BF110 20mm guns.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 11-03-2013, 09:03:16
yeah it sucks... I thought I'd be pwning everything below me and instead I was lucky if I managed to drop more than half the load of the puny 100 lb bombs before being shredded to pieces by Beaufighters ಠ_ಠ I'm doing much better in a frickin A-20, but I guess it varies from player to player.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 11-03-2013, 09:03:45
As long as they dont have 20mm or bigger, you're fine. 7.92 and 7.62 or 7.7 takes fucking forever, like the shitty italian planes against a Catalina, just takes too long, plus, they can survive rams easily.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 11-03-2013, 10:03:03
I love my blenheim bomber. That is a beastie. Takes forever to shoot one down.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 11-03-2013, 10:03:31
Try aiming for the propellers. You should be a bit higher than the Catalina and then aim for the engines. Always worked for me... the problem is that I can only hit them effectively when I´m about 300 metres maximum behind the target. Then you are also easy prey for the gunners of bombers.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 15-03-2013, 14:03:54
This game needs to have proper FMs in ASAP. I'm so sick and tired of all the Buffalos, Yaks, LaGGs... I like this game a lot, it plays well, it looks well, it's good, but getting fcked up the arse by UFO's is making me sick. :'(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 15-03-2013, 16:03:19
yeah. my nemesis plane is the buffalo. theyre somehow magical and can be on my bf109f tail forever. God I hate those ugly planes
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 15-03-2013, 18:03:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n9AwT4yoqoo
B25! yes! YEEES!
P39 with 37mm HE here we go!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 15-03-2013, 20:03:03
P39 is my favorite Allied airplane, I used to rule the skies in IL-2 online with the 37mm cannon.

But I'm going for the Me-262 so this one can go to hell.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 15-03-2013, 20:03:03
Just shot down my first plane today, awesome :D.

There is allot that currently isn't covered in the tutorial sadly. Took me a while to figure out there's a first person view in this game (made it allot easier lol). Still I have the feeling this game is rather mouse biased, and I'm sort of handicapped using a gamepad. But we'll see how we'll do along :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 16-03-2013, 09:03:32
I can confirm you are handicapped using gamepad. You will get used to it, but it will take some time to be succesful in dogfights. Bombing should be no problem, but you just can't get to the level of a mouse aimer in dogfights with a gamepad. You don't even have an advantage in turning with gamepad.

Anyway, flying with mouse never was an option for me. I enjoy the gamepad although it can be frustrating, would fly with joystick if I had one, but that's about the same struggle as with gamepad, as mouse aim seems to be superior currently.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 16-03-2013, 17:03:15
Sigh, is there some way we can set up a channel like in WOT ? I really could use some help from fellow FH'ers of how this game exactly works ..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 16-03-2013, 17:03:38
For the record, has anyone ever managed to land on a carrier yet? I keep failing utterly.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 16-03-2013, 18:03:21
I managed it a few times in a free flight mode, but never in a battle :D. It helps using a carrier based plane (no shit), come very slowly, land and brake ASAP, pro tip: fire all your MGs/cannons when landing, the recoil will help slow you down :D, works wonderfully with heavily armed planes, quite useful when you have to land quickly, or to slow down your approach.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mayhemic.MAD on 16-03-2013, 18:03:15
I finally gave it a try today and i must say I like it. Very nice graphics and much more fun than WoT is, at least for me, because of the variety in targets and the historical battles.
After changing the controls for the mouse to "relative" it is like flying in FH2 and I do quite some good kills now, since you can aim much more exactly this way.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 19-03-2013, 18:03:52
New patch has landed! We get customizable (a little) ammo belts, B-25(!) , and some other stuffs
More importantly there now is an option to create custom chat rooms! So get on zhe "Forgotten Hope" channel, and lets hope they work exactly like in WOT, without having to reopen them all the time.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 19-03-2013, 19:03:13
well the economy seems to have gone down the crapper so that's great... they'd better fix that, I have no intention of grinding for dat P-51 now that I'm "just" 4 ranks away ಠ_ಠ
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 19-03-2013, 22:03:34
Oh yeah, the economy went to shit, dunno what they were thinking (money, probably), but what we have now is completely unacceptable. The new flight model is quite interesting, but i feel it's a bit too realistic for arcade IMO.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 19-03-2013, 23:03:54
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2lwrevo.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/11vs0zr.jpg)


love the buffalo :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 20-03-2013, 01:03:37
Did anything of the controls/flight model change in a way that could make the game more enjoyable for people using gamepad/joystick?

Haven't played after I broke my gamepad like a month ago, needa get a new one soon.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 20-03-2013, 07:03:57
Quote
New flight models for La-5, La-7, Wirraway, Tempest, TBF-1c, SM.79, Me.410, Ki-49, Ju-87B, Ju-87D, Ju-87G, F1M2, D3A1, Boomerang, Beaufighter, Me.262 and Me.163
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 20-03-2013, 12:03:13
Ok, so they just changed some specific flight models, I see. Thank you.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 20-03-2013, 12:03:52
All in all some good improvements in this patch but also some flaws. Tbh I like the fact that finaly the virtual money plays a significant role in the game. If I needed money in the last versions, I just flew like three or four rounds with my russian bombers and filled my wallet with ease. Now I have to think carefully wich planes I want to buy/use and wich type of ammo I need. A new ammo belt for the Yak 9t can cost up to 36000!!!! lions and that's alot with the current economy system. You might say that this system is crap now, but I like the challenging aspect of it.

I also like the fact that the bombers are forced to fly more like bombers and not like diving fortess anymore. You really have to use the bomb view now to hit something and that requires some skill ofcourse.

What I like too are the new flight models. Beaufighter is finaly only fast as hell and not agile as a biplane anymore. That's how it should be. Noticed no difference on my D3A1 though. It is still more like a damn agile fighter with bombs and not an attacker.

What I don't like: the fact the you can't adjust the fuel on some planes like the A6M2 for example. I always have to fly with a full tank wich makes it more fly like a brick.
Besides this I don't like the fact that you have to leave the aircraft when you are damaged on the airfield and could get repaired. This system worked nicely before, so why change it  ??? And why is ejection still forced in Arcade? It is bullshit that I have to leave my airplane though I could fly back to the airfield and repair it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 20-03-2013, 15:03:43
They've changed the physics in general, P40 now flies like a bag of bricks for example, and some other planes just feel absolutely horrible to fly (I'm talking arcade ofc.) Especially twin engined planes (A20, BF110, Beau, P38), regardless if they were agile or not IRL.

All in all some good improvements in this patch but also some flaws. Tbh I like the fact that finaly the virtual money plays a significant role in the game. If I needed money in the last versions, I just flew like three or four rounds with my russian bombers and filled my wallet with ease. Now I have to think carefully wich planes I want to buy/use and wich type of ammo I need. A new ammo belt for the Yak 9t can cost up to 36000!!!! lions and that's alot with the current economy system. You might say that this system is crap now, but I like the challenging aspect of it.
Disagree, It's fucked up, with current EXP gain,it's going to take years before I'll reach rank 9 (and I'm half way there), I get crap amounts of exp regardless of how well the battle goes. It's a horrible grind, and that's just rank 8 , I don't want to think to think whats rank 18 like, I'm tired of games being grindy as hell, just so you have to buy the effin premium account if you want to get anywhere without playing the game for 10 hours a day, and that's saying without even talking about ridiculous prices of everything.
They have to change it back.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 20-03-2013, 16:03:02
I would never understand people that play games for grinding/getting to the next level. Im really enjoying my tiers 4 and 5 and I have no desire to rush my way to high tiers. I play because i want to play, not becase I want to grind.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 20-03-2013, 16:03:29
Actually , I planned to stay at tier 9 with USA(guess i was late bay a day or two), but "playing for enjoyment" is no excuse for horrible economy. I'm so glad i got most of the planes i wanted before they "updated" the game.

Oh, and i have just realised my derpness, the chat room name is "FogottenHope",because apparently you cannot make spaces in the names. Join eet!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 20-03-2013, 16:03:22
I'm with Musti on this, I also wanted to just reach a certain rank and then not care anymore (rank 13, P-51 and B-17s), but I'm never gonna get there now. And when I think about how I actually wanted to spend some money on this game, holy shit I'm so glad I didn't and I'm not gonna after I've witnessed how much they are willing to mess with the game. :-X
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tedacious on 20-03-2013, 18:03:50
Thanks for telling me this. Haven't played for a month now. I thought it was a slow grind before, but even worse now? I won't come back then.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 20-03-2013, 23:03:06
you lot are a bunch os sissys, remember it is still in beta. I love that I can kill tiers 13 with my rusty p40 :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: GuinNess on 21-03-2013, 00:03:06
I started playing this game on Monday before the new patch and i quite liked it, but now after the patch me frustration keeps going up. It's a pain in the ass now tho fly that rubbish P-26. My goal is to get the P-47.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 21-03-2013, 00:03:50
^ unless you fly HB (where boom and zoom is a viable tactic), once (if) you actually get the Jug your ass will continue hurting ;D (not saying its 8 .50 cals don't do dmg, but there's a reason you don't see a lot of Jugs, Corsairs and other similar aircraft in arcade...)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 21-03-2013, 00:03:19
Actually, the problem with P-47 was that it used to cost 9k to repair (for comparison, average Bf 109 is around 2k), so you basically lose money with it, but it's armament is epic, I have the F6F, which is "the same but less" and it kicks ass.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 21-03-2013, 02:03:26
You can still earn enough money to get new planes and level up. If you really want to try grinding up the levels try HB. 2 ground targets and two airplanes give still 10000+ XP and lions.

The time to use a single airplane got just extented what I personaly prefere. I really get to know the single planes and can try wich tactics and ammo loadouts fit best. And I really like the HB. They offer alot more depth and you get rid of those freakin rammers.

To sum it up ... with the current build it just isn't the game for the lunch break anymore
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 21-03-2013, 13:03:51
So, they've made a new little patch, dive bombing for all bombers is back again, only now you get a random dispersion when you dive, its both good and bad, I like its somewhere in the middle ground between realism and acrade (nd thats good for arcade mode right?) its great that dive bombing no longer allows for pin point accuracy with a heavy bomber, but i also think that bombers now are even slightly more powerful (just imagine Ju 88 ground coverage with its 36 bombs), basically now we have shotgun bombs.

And now onto something completely different, have you guys tried the Mitchell yet? I think its awesome!
excellent defensive armament, properly quick, enough agility to do some crude dodging AND it can shoot down planes( takes a bit of work but it can). Bomb loads are crap at the beginning, but the last one with 3x 1000lb bombs sound good. It also looks awesome with its polished aluminum fuselage :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 21-03-2013, 16:03:31
I have the T7 one and I guess it's okay-ish... bomb load kind of sucks and it's not super durable either (I got shot down by frickin Chaika, then again, my gunners aren't really that trained...). It's good, but I'm not sure if I'll be training my crew for the one at T9 (since the only difference is addition of one more .50 cal in the front and bomb load remains the same). I'm looking forward to other variants, perhaps B-25H with its 75 mm.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 21-03-2013, 17:03:03
So, they've made a new little patch, dive bombing for all bombers is back again, only now you get a random dispersion when you dive, its both good and bad, I like its somewhere in the middle ground between realism and acrade (nd thats good for arcade mode right?) its great that dive bombing no longer allows for pin point accuracy with a heavy bomber, but i also think that bombers now are even slightly more powerful (just imagine Ju 88 ground coverage with its 36 bombs), basically now we have shotgun bombs.

Ok, time to go the ze German side.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 22-03-2013, 13:03:09
Yeah, you should give german planes defenetly a try. They are even in performance and durabilty to the fighters of the other nations now.

I flew the russian planes for the first time yesterday with the new patch. IL 2M is a beast at it's finest. APIT ammunition in the MG's and Omnipurpose ammo in the cannon's rocks as hell and shreds everything to pieces not to metion the shitload of ammunition. It got alot more agile so that I can turn out all those american fighters like the P40, P39, P63, P47. There is something wrong about the FM I guess  ;D

The 37mm cannon of the Yak 9T has finaly some kick and you really have to fire in bursts or singleshots to hit something. But that finaly makes it interesting as you have to snipe your targets out of the air. It's a great challenge to hunt down fighters with it. Bombers are not much of a problem with it though. You can really kill shred them piece by piece especialy the Catalyna. But the Yak 9T can defenetly stand too many shots.

What I like about the bombers is the fact that your tailgunner is really effective now if you take the controll yourself. I shot down countless Spitfires on my tail yesterday with Ar2 and IL2M.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 24-03-2013, 03:03:03
While the B-25 does have botched FM, I realized you don't really need anything more than 100 lbs to destroy AAA/arty/light vehicles even after the bomb nerf and its .50 cal armament is simply BAWS. Strafed a Wellington, nailed a tailing Yak-7 with mah tail turret OF DOOM, dived onto unsuspecting Dauntless... it's actually pretty darn awesome bomber when things go well and you don't crash after entering an endless spin because you wanted to turn just a little sharper.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 24-03-2013, 05:03:19
The patch killed many planes that didnt need any fixing. P40 its a slow whale now, and the turn of the FW190D13 its extremely slow, plus its not as agile as before.

They really screwed a lot of the planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 24-03-2013, 11:03:48
I've just uninstalled this crappy game. Why? Too many cheaters, like the guy who killed my pilot 3 times in a row with single burst! No shit... Also, last patch was so stupid - they increased prices, reduced bombs effectiveness, while I was getting bored with this game... Also, I keep increasing gunners accuracy at my bombers and no result - WTF? Pathethic game...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 24-03-2013, 11:03:58
The patch killed many planes that didnt need any fixing. P40 its a slow whale now, and the turn of the FW190D13 its extremely slow, plus its not as agile as before.

They really screwed a lot of the planes.
Exactly, well, good thing russian fighters aren't OP anymore
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4746/shot20130322233756.jpg)
Oh....

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: GuinNess on 24-03-2013, 17:03:21
So I found out that I can convert XP points to level up and I got now a P-40 an the A20. I'm a bit disappointed of the P-40 because I really like the plane but somehow I hardy can shoot down any other plane. However the A20 is super awsome! Can't wait to get B25 :D

Oh and if you guys want to add me: Klaus44
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 24-03-2013, 22:03:58
Soviet planes are so fucking op and easy to use. Even first tier can still do some damage. And that fucking yak its an op killing machine. Russian bias.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 24-03-2013, 22:03:09
meh, I eat russian planes for breakfast. Finally unlocked all my bf-109s, and oh boy, they are a delight ti fly :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 30-03-2013, 16:03:52
So I come back after a few months and can't even log in... GG Gaijin...

Also their forum seems to not be working correctly at the moment... Is it only me?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 30-03-2013, 16:03:39
yeah it's down atm.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 31-03-2013, 14:03:34
You haven't missed much, so far War Thunder is still on failtrain going to retardtown. The longer I play, the worse it gets. If it won't change its direction I'll get off on the next station.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 01-04-2013, 12:04:05
Good to see that they brought in a new nation, cant deny that i don't like playing them.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-04-2013, 13:04:00
I killed 14 ponies in a match :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 01-04-2013, 16:04:27
Silly question, the italien MC200 series 3 plane, is it normal that the wings are not equally long?

Also, what is with the flying bricks the germans have? the HE112, I hope that line gets better soon...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 01-04-2013, 16:04:07
Can´t count the amounts of times I crashed with my He 112 into the ground, because it didn´t respond fast enough to my pull up command. The first usefull aircraft (well, fighter - as the He 111 and Ju 88 are quite okay Bombers) you will get is the Bf 109 Emil at Tier 5 I think. Once you get that you can achieve some airwins as it has two 20mm cannons and can outclimb any fighter of its tier.

Edit: Is this fake?

(http://i.imgur.com/zzGlykq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/POFcCe2.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 01-04-2013, 16:04:20
Yes, I also have the HE112... I thought I did something wrong because i can't control this aircraft properly. It turns very bad, but it's even worse when you try to pull up your aircraft. I have the feeling the biplanes are actually superior in almost every way to the HE112.

Does it get any better if you mount new modules or is this thing stuck on being a flying brick.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 01-04-2013, 16:04:55
that tree is a fake, yes
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 01-04-2013, 17:04:17
i just received this in my mailbox

This Sunday your first and fifth victorious fights bring you 100 Golden Eagles!
8 A.M. — 11 A.M. PDT (March 31st 15:00 — 18:00 GMT)
7 P.M. — 10 P.M. PDT (April 1st 02:00 — 05:00 GMT)

Kind of late isn't it ?  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 01-04-2013, 17:04:03
I really dislike the way twin engine fighters behave now. They're slow as a whale, as slow as the Catalina! My BF110 and ME410 agility it's gone, and even with engine and polished fighter, Im still slow as a brick.

What the hell happened?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-04-2013, 18:04:04
Silly question, the italien MC200 series 3 plane, is it normal that the wings are not equally long?

Also, what is with the flying bricks the germans have? the HE112, I hope that line gets better soon...

they are reaaally good dogfighters, very maneuverable, but only under 400 km/h, otherwise your controls freeze and at high speed the pilot doesnt have the strengh to level the aircraft.

I manage to stay in the tail of spitfires, p40s and hurricanes. the armament is crap however, the best one is the one armed with a single 20 mm cannon, its mounted on the nose so you dont miss as often as with guns mounted on the wings.

but yeah, dont go too fast on them, and enjoy their turning radius, its the best one at those tiers. I cant count the times I circle at 20 m above ground and nobody could shot me down because they either overshoot, or were going too slow and crashed on the ground.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-04-2013, 18:04:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aGSdPx8Nu-U


whut..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 01-04-2013, 18:04:04
What a shame, my beaufort is quite meh, I am thinking of switching to the germans/Soviets, any Ideas?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 01-04-2013, 18:04:26
I know it's April 1....but ugh....

Burn em with acid.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-04-2013, 19:04:41
I really dislike the way twin engine fighters behave now. They're slow as a whale, as slow as the Catalina! My BF110 and ME410 agility it's gone, and even with engine and polished fighter, Im still slow as a brick.

What the hell happened?
Patch 1.29 happened and nearly everything is fucked.
What a shame, my beaufort is quite meh, I am thinking of switching to the germans/Soviets, any Ideas?
Go Soviet, at least they're OP :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aGSdPx8Nu-U


whut..
Yuuuup, they are even in-game :D. WT is pretty unplayable right now because of all the ponies.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 01-04-2013, 19:04:38
And I thought when Sicario posted he downed 14 ponies in one game, he meant Mustangs. :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-04-2013, 19:04:43
funny thing is, I found a glitch with the ponies, go 109% power, drop all your bombs/rockets, and watch how your speed increases even when climbing. I could drop my speed bellow 1000, it was amazing  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 02-04-2013, 19:04:40
I turned off automatic repair and resupply, I am making a lot more money now, Really good if you play several nations. Most of my plained only take like 40 minutes to repair for free anyway so if you play 4 nation they are almost every time repaired.

I honestly don't know what the downside is of not resupplying.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: CptdeS35 on 02-04-2013, 20:04:31
Edit: Is this fake?

(http://i.imgur.com/zzGlykq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/POFcCe2.jpg)

Sure it is, since nearly 70% of the vehicle icons are from Blitzkrieg !
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: flyboy_fx on 03-04-2013, 18:04:55
Well now, I actually decided to give it a go. So far pretty disappointing... It seems joystick controls are an after thought.  :o This game is not specifically tailored for mouse/key is it? I have not tried anything out of arcade mode yet, maybe the realistic mode will actually have realistic controls. :O The planes really fishtail when you add a little rudder. Also, using the hat switch on the joystick is worthless. Using the TrackIR makes the viewing better though. I am also getting a strange graphical bug. The explosions are nothing but black blocks... ???
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 03-04-2013, 18:04:25
Don't even try to use a joystick for this arcade game. Have you already played with mouse? If not, you should try and then you'll see what I'm talking about!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 03-04-2013, 19:04:37
Finally, a game where people that don't use joysticks can be good at! I hate when some guy is uber good just because he has a joystick...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 03-04-2013, 19:04:24
I'm pretty damn sure nobody plays FRB with mouse...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 03-04-2013, 20:04:57
I also could imagine that the historical battles are also easier with a joystick. With some planes, like the P40 for example, where they f*cked up the flight model you will have much more success with a joystick.

I mostly play HB, still with mouse but I guess that the performance gap isn't that huge as you have to encounter the g-forces and everything much more. It is not as easy to hit something as in the arcade battles where you simply have to move your mouse over the target.

But setting up the joystick seems to be a pain.  :-\
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Gezoes on 05-04-2013, 15:04:43
Well now, I actually decided to give it a go. So far pretty disappointing... It seems joystick controls are an after thought.  :o This game is not specifically tailored for mouse/key is it? I have not tried anything out of arcade mode yet, maybe the realistic mode will actually have realistic controls. :O The planes really fishtail when you add a little rudder. Also, using the hat switch on the joystick is worthless. Using the TrackIR makes the viewing better though. I am also getting a strange graphical bug. The explosions are nothing but black blocks... ???

Joystick controls have always sucked. They - rightly - let that go for the most part. One of the many reasons World of Warplanes failed before it came out of the hangar. It's dead in the water now WT has arrived. Mouse works great, for once in a flight sim. Can we have some fun too for once? So tired of elite flyboys. With somewhat bearable joystick control WT would turn into a small elitist community, and be gone in about three months. Anyone can feel like an ace, that's the strength and slapstick fun. Elitist flyboys need to go elsewhere.

Also, one more good thing: Extremely few SIEMA SIEMA SIEMA PL PL PL PL POZ eastern EU idiots.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 06-04-2013, 00:04:15
Haha, reminds me of WoT somehow :P

"SIEMA, WITAM, PLPL" ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 06-04-2013, 07:04:31
Well, I gave it a go. Played 5 or 6 games, reached british rank 2 and was on top 3 on all rounds except for first. Flying is so easy, I don't understand how those guys have trouble hitting me when their on my tail  ;D.

Obviously I had friend on all those matches, so we were constantly clearing eachothers tails  ;).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 06-04-2013, 09:04:27
Well, I gave it a go. Played 5 or 6 games, reached british rank 2 and was on top 3 on all rounds except for first. Flying is so easy, I don't understand how those guys have trouble hitting me when their on my tail  ;D.

Obviously I had friend on all those matches, so we were constantly clearing eachothers tails  ;).

Riight... Now be a man and try flying with a joystick... Soon you'll change your opinion to "how the hell can those guys wtfpwn me in one pass while I can't even keep a steady aim"....
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 06-04-2013, 09:04:01
Still need more balance with bi engine fighters. The BF 110, ME 410 and Beaufighter...completely ruined. I mean, I dont know if I should pick a Catalina next to dog fight, because that's how they feel.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 06-04-2013, 09:04:25
Well, I gave it a go. Played 5 or 6 games, reached british rank 2 and was on top 3 on all rounds except for first. Flying is so easy, I don't understand how those guys have trouble hitting me when their on my tail  ;D.

Obviously I had friend on all those matches, so we were constantly clearing eachothers tails  ;).

Yeah, playing in a team of three does wonders, most of the time they come at you alone anyway.


The past games i also do a lot of 1 pass kills, 4 times .50 or two 20mm cannons do wonders when you give them a strafe from the top from front to back. I often get there pilot that way.


Really? i got 4 kills last time i played my BF 110, i dont think it is that bad, i see a dogfight with a friend in trouble, i do a pass, rape the enemy with my guns, and leave them with at least a critical damage, i don't try to go back, that will only get you killed, don't try to dogfight with it, attack bombers or ground targets

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 06-04-2013, 12:04:44
Still need more balance with bi engine fighters. The BF 110, ME 410 and Beaufighter...completely ruined. I mean, I dont know if I should pick a Catalina next to dog fight, because that's how they feel.
This!
I can't believe how much some FMs are borked right now, Sometimes it feels like I'm flying a bus.  But the worst thing is the economy right now, I've stopped playing the game because of it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 06-04-2013, 18:04:38
Same here Musti, totally stopped playing the game because of the retarded economy.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 06-04-2013, 18:04:03
Seems to take ages in order to advance in this game though. I played quite a few battles already, and I'm still stuck to the first He112. Can't buy the rest because I need a higher rank in the german airforce. I find this a bit silly and unnecessary, since it means I can't swap between nations as I'll have to start all over again..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 06-04-2013, 19:04:35
I don't really understand the real problem with economy here, I only see an problem when buying something new, the repair prices have improved alot which makes it not hard to pay for them.
Also they have improved the economy lately with giving more credits for killing both air targets as ground targets, and right now planes are discounted.
Give it some time and remember it is beta.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 06-04-2013, 21:04:04
The problem is they have decreased the earnings to about 1/3 of what  they were in patch 1.27, and then doubled(and sometimes tripled and even quadrupled) the prices of stuff, currently I need about 1.5 mil of silver to buy the stuff i have unlocked right now, and its just going to get worse (by using magic and trickery you can earn massive exp right now, sometimes even more than in 1.27, so progressing the levels goes quite fast)

I don't really understand the real problem with economy here, I only see an problem when buying something new, the repair prices have improved alot which makes it not hard to pay for them.
Also they have improved the economy lately with giving more credits for killing both air targets as ground targets, and right now planes are discounted.
Give it some time and remember it is beta.
Problem is the have decreased the earnings by 300% first, and then increased them by 20%, so yeah it didn't help at all. Even with premium this game is grindy as hell (maybe even worse than WOT, and that quite hard to achieve)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 06-04-2013, 21:04:36
Not mentioning about reducing bombs effectiveness....  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 07-04-2013, 12:04:11
holy crap 37mm autocannon is good!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 07-04-2013, 13:04:26
I don't understand people complaining about the economy. In 1.27 money and economy didn't play any role. So why would I bother to implement currency systems in such a game as a developer when they are obsolete anyway? Just do the math guys. When I can click through the tress and buy planes and ammoracks as if there is no tomorrow, then they could completely leave out money and there would be something wrong. It is a F2P title and money has to play a significiant role. Point! You finaly have to think about where to spent it.

You just have to adapt to the economy system. This means switching off auto repair and use all factions and their planes. So the example of luftwaffe.be is nonesense. You can't get stuck in this game except you stick to just one nation what would be your own fault tbh. You can even fly some matches with your reserve planes and earn some easy money. It doesn't even hurt when they crash. Some low level planes like the F2A are awesome for HB btw. There are alot of things you can do. Lufftwaffe.be seems to be level 4 with Germany, so try to get a bomber (HE111) as soon as possible and hord some money with it.

Nice tip: while one plane is repairing you can take another one and fly HB or fly an arcade battle with a different nation. Repair speed and repair rank are finaly skills that make sense, if you are not a player who is awesome skilled and struggles to stay alive.

This game is in beta state and some people have ridiciolous high ranks for several nations allready, though this game is public for two or three months now. Ofcourse they could make it a bit more easier to grind through the trees and make earning money easier, but why should they do this. There has to be a basic for a premium model.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 07-04-2013, 13:04:23
It's simple! This game is heading to WoT with its economics - pay us with your real money or you will be forced to fly with shitty plane for months!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 07-04-2013, 13:04:55
nonsense, I have not deployed a single dollar and im flying with kingkobras ans bf-109's. The economy is OK, takes time but in no way does it needs gold to progress. I usually do 30K per battle, and in 10 battles I can affort the next plane and crew training.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 07-04-2013, 14:04:48
^ Well, it's legit. They earn their living with programming those games. The only thing I really dislike are the high prices they want for the little bonusses you get. I mean 30.000 Gold for 100€? Wtf?

EDIT: Wrong topic. Sorry. Main argument stays though.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 07-04-2013, 14:04:04
It's simple! This game is heading to WoT with its economics - pay us with your real money or you will be forced to fly with shitty plane for months!

That's the problem with todays generation of gamers. They always have to grind through something and can't enjoy the gameplay in it's purest form. Even dogfighting with shitty biplanes is alot of fun in this game. Just team up with some friends and rock with the I15's. ;)

And ofcourse the devs and publishers want your money. They have to live from something. You are just naive when you think that they would develope such a game without forcing players to pay for content and other advantages. If you don't understand this, then I can't help you. You answered your concerns yourself pretty spot on so I don't see any problem there. It is a F2P title and if you still don't understand how their economy systems work then well ...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 07-04-2013, 14:04:59
nonsense, I have not deployed a single dollar and im flying with kingkobras ans bf-109's. The economy is OK, takes time but in no way does it needs gold to progress. I usually do 30K per battle, and in 10 battles I can affort the next plane and crew training.

30000?! Lolololololol, you must always get 15 kills, right?

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 07-04-2013, 14:04:06
Maybe he is flying HB. There you need like two kills and a few ground targets to get that much money or experience.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 07-04-2013, 15:04:09
But you spend much more time on it than Arcade...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 07-04-2013, 16:04:54
Yeah, it needs some patiance to get used to it and not going rambo. In the end you can get alot more out of an HB than an arcade battle. You crash less planes but can earn alot more money. Repair costs are higher though, so being very carful is the most important aspect of this gamemode. When you can handle this you get extra money for the bulletproof achievement.

There are alot of possibilities in this game how to properly earn money.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 07-04-2013, 21:04:20
To those people complaining, about 6 battles a day with 2 weekends (so maybe i was playing for 17 days) where i played maybe 2 hours a day got me into tier 5 in 2 nations and tier 6 in another. Sure, i cant play all the aircraft i have unlocked, there is 1 that i still have to save for but who cares? This type of games are fun on all tiers, the more you play the cooler the stuf gets, true, but on low tier you can have the same amount of fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 07-04-2013, 21:04:57
Actually those kind of games are most fun in mid tiers, at least for me. Tier 6-12 offers most of the iconic aircraft of WW2 with most 109s, Spitfires, Yaks etc.

The same is the case in WOT with Shermans, StuGs, T-34, Panzer IV, Cromwell etc. being the mid tier. After that it comes down to German heavy equipment and retarded stuff from the 50ties and prototypes to balance it for the other factions.

In War thunder this isn´t as extreme but Sabre and Mig 9 still don´t have any place in this game. I hope they are blocked in historical battles.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 07-04-2013, 22:04:16
I hope they are blocked in historical battles.

nope.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 07-04-2013, 23:04:06
There are alot of possibilities in this game how to properly earn money.

agree, I just made 27K in an HB , were I killed 1 hurricane and damaged 1 beaufort. If you are having troubles with money, either you spend im shit you dont need, or you simple cant hit anything .
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 07-04-2013, 23:04:05
A mate of mine just earned 95000 in an HB.  He shot down 4 planes and some ground targets with the Mustang.
I had three easy rounds with russian planes today. Two times like 15000 and one time (first victory of the day) 23000. Ofcourse there is this nice bonus for this weekend. But still ...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 10-04-2013, 00:04:34
Got back into the game. As I failed to repair my gamepad by myself, I decided t give mouse aim a go. And well, it goes a lot better than I remembered it and is actually quite nice. Like everything is 10 times easier.

I dominated some biplane low level games with this Level 1 Soviet Biplane "Chaika" which seems to be kinda op. Had not played Soviet before so I unlocked that after one game and even the reserve planes from the Soviets seem to be pretty damn good. I think in this few hours with mouse I played I made nearly as many kills as in one or two weeks of flying with gamepad, and I'm not exaggerating.

Anyway, the new flight model of the P40 is even shittier than I expected it to be. It flies like a small or medium sized bomber now. Why would they nerf the P40, it has never been too strong at all. Maybe I'm not used to it, but it feels like it pretty much sucks now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 10-04-2013, 06:04:04
Same with the BF110 and ME410, they fly like the Catalina.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 10-04-2013, 09:04:11
After playing of many rounds I went into conclusion that everything in this game depends on pure luck, not skill... Still, I don't get how people can manage to kill my pilot so often with first single burst...
But the most annoing is when you manage to put on fire enemy plane and somebody else finishes it and you get no points for assist... -_-'
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 10-04-2013, 12:04:34
How does the assist system even work? My kills have been stolen countless times and most of times I don't even get assists. Same thing when enemy crashes, does it seriously give the kill for last person to damage it, even if I messed up his controls?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 10-04-2013, 12:04:04
I completely don't know how it really works. Sometimes I got the last hit and also didn't get kill... However, it's good that they removed kills for ramming, unfortunately it didn't stop people from doing this...   ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 10-04-2013, 13:04:17
asists sometimes dont showup on the hud, but they are there. kills are a bit tricky, if you damage the elevator and the plane crashes in the ground, you are get the kill, however, if he then leaks fuel and someone else lights him on fire, you just get an asist. For you to get the kill, your damage have to influence his dead in some way, I think.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 10-04-2013, 13:04:57
What ever happened to shared air victories, that's a thing in real world, isn't it?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 10-04-2013, 14:04:39
Yeah, I just want to know if there was something like stealing in WWII?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 10-04-2013, 18:04:15
That's a point I don't like about this game too and I hope that they sort this stuff out. It seems to be totaly random how you get a kill. Kill steeling is part of the gaming world and I can live with it, but not this untransparent bullshit.

Shared air victory seems indeed to be a good solution especialy when you hunt down enemy planes with your squadmates.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 11-04-2013, 00:04:21
Yea, also the killgreed is so huge due to this. Just every second time I'm on an enemy's tail, 5 teammates build a train behind me shortly after and shoot my ass up because they aim for that friggin target-circle without thinking the slightest. Or even worse, they try to overtake and crash into you, it's funny.

Other than that I started pulling up pretty early when fighting head on, because most people give a shit and risk a crash anyway, not even thinking about trying to dodge. You would think that they want to save their good plane or something, but most people go so high risk and don't pull or dive, so I do it. Works better anyway, as head on combat is mostly luck and when I pull up early and begin my turn already I often end up at their tail as they continue flying straight or start turning too late.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 13-04-2013, 14:04:34
the irony in this picture is too damn high.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 13-04-2013, 14:04:01
Battle time: 0:00 - so what did you expect?  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 13-04-2013, 16:04:21
did you crashed on the runway? xD

tryed my first FRB an hour ago, no trackIR, no joystick, just relative mouse control (to make it fly like in bf2). huge mistake, did manage to score some hits on a Zero trough  :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 13-04-2013, 16:04:17
Look in the upper left corner, the map name: [Operation] Korea
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Kalkalash on 28-04-2013, 17:04:28
Downloaded the game yesterday and I have to say it's just bloody awesome. Much better than World of Warplanes (some very odd similarities between the games btw). As with WoWP, it's piss easy as well:
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa215/Niko2-0/shot20130428103019_zps961c55b1.jpg)
 
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 28-04-2013, 17:04:36
^ Try flying with a joystick, then report back... Also, try HB and you'll soon find out what pain means (or not, if you are a half-decent pilot :P) ...

Anyway, yesterday a funny thing happened to me... I got into a shallow dive pulling negative Gs and the carburetor on my Hurricane clogged up, causing my engine to die and the funniest thing is, when I managed to land it didn't want to fix my aircraft, so I ended up sitting on the airstrip for most of the round... Then I told one guy on my team to shoot me up a bit (and try not to blow my ass up while doing it), and he did it, causing the repair to trigger! You can't say people would be prepared to do that kind of stuff in some other games...

Also, I need to make myself some Track IR this summer... Sounds like a great summer project  ;):

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/how-tos/how_build_your_own_ir_head_tracker?page=0,1
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 28-04-2013, 23:04:10
I have my resistors ready, when my finals end, I will build mine and star rocking mouse in hand in FRB :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Comrade Roe on 29-04-2013, 02:04:31
Tried it, this is definitely much more fun than WoWP.

It feels easier to kill enemy planes in this than WoWP, especially the 1st planes (Ki-10s, He-51s, Nimrods and furies, P26s, I15). Overkill: killing a Tier 0 plane with 37mm cannons and .50s mounted on the P-39N Aerocobra. I do find the bombing is a bit off above 2000 ft, though.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 29-04-2013, 20:04:30
Does anyone know whit what speed the bombs drop? I'd like to calculate the time to impact depending on different altitude levels. Without actual data bombing up high is indeed worthless.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 30-04-2013, 16:04:33
Yeah, I also make diving bombing even with heavy bombers... I simply don't know what I'm doing wrong when I use bomber view...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 30-04-2013, 16:04:27
I have my resistors ready, when my finals end, I will build mine and star rocking mouse in hand in FRB :P

No resistors needed if you have a 1.5V battery as source, the IR-Leds have enabling voltage level of 1.5 volts. But if the source is bigger, then it's another story.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 03-05-2013, 00:05:32
That game looks interesting.I suppose it haves cockpit view as I saw in a video?
How it's it arcade mode?Too unforgiving or almost like Battlefield flying?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 03-05-2013, 00:05:57
flying with mouse is very easy!  :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 03-05-2013, 01:05:46
Ugh!No flying with mouse! (Except helicopters)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 03-05-2013, 01:05:55
That game looks interesting.I suppose it haves cockpit view as I saw in a video?
How it's it arcade mode?Too unforgiving or almost like Battlefield flying?

It's quite well done. You either do a good job and can make relatively easy kills or you don't pay attention to your surrounding and get fucked up. Once you have an enemy on your tail, you have limited chances to escape but it's good like that and you depend on the help of your teammates of course (which usually rather fly in groups of 5 behind 1 burning enemy instead of helping you though :P) Anyway, different airplanes have different speeds, climb rates, turn rates etc., so with the right moves you can always do something in theory.

THere is a cockpit view but I would not use it in Arcade mode as you will have severe disadvantages. If you want to fky cockpit and potentially with joystick go for Historical or Full real battles. Overall the game is arcade though, not a real flight sim, although you have a game mode for that but only a very tiny part of the community plas those "Full real battles."

Anyway, give it a try, it's really fun and free, so not much you can do wrong :)

Edit: When you fly with joystick you will have a harder time than everyone else in the game and you might want to focus on Historical an Full Real Battles, arcade will most likely be a bit frustrating as people have too big advantages flying with mouse and arcadish flight models.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 03-05-2013, 06:05:03
Also, I need to make myself some Track IR this summer... Sounds like a great summer project  ;):

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/how-tos/how_build_your_own_ir_head_tracker?page=0,1
Already on it, mate. I have the headpiece (almost) ready, made it yesterday at school in approx 2 hours. Today it's time for some webcam dismantling.

It's fun to go to a school where all the materials you need are there and free. And these IR-LEDs I'm using only have 1.06V forward voltage, so a 1.5V AA or AAA battery should do the trick without any resistors. If I wanted to add a resistor, it would be 8.2 Ohms. Which is next to nothing.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 03-05-2013, 08:05:02
IIRC its best for the circuit as long as you have a small resistor in there, nothing too crazy. Can't exactly remember why
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 03-05-2013, 10:05:37
Once you have an enemy on your tail, you have limited chances to escape but it's good like that and you depend on the help of your teammates of course (which usually rather fly in groups of 5 behind 1 burning enemy instead of helping you though :P) Anyway, different airplanes have different speeds, climb rates, turn rates etc., so with the right moves you can always do something in theory.

Of course you have limited chances to escape when all the dogfights take place either at 500 m or treetop level... You can't do anything but try to corner like a madman (which is impossible in a non agile plane)... I had a great, almost 5 minute dogfight with a guy at about 2k once. We were going round and round, up and down. When I managed to shake him off I went into some clouds and then made a huge mistake, I flew out of the cloud and below them, suddenly he appeared from the sun behind me and brought me down with one short skilled burst!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 03-05-2013, 12:05:36
It´s very well possible to get you enemy off your tail. Granted: It´s not super easy and often risky, but it makes fun. I remember occassions in my Stuka where I just turned off the engine and made a very tight turn. The enemy fighter was to fast and overshot me and suddenly he was in front of me. Wiht other aircraft you can outclimb your enemy, although you have to make sure there is enough distance to begin with between you and your foe or you end up as a slower target. Also you can dive and rotate and change directions to confuse the guy on your tail. Plenty of possibilities.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 03-05-2013, 12:05:32
It´s very well possible to get you enemy off your tail. Granted: It´s not super easy and often risky, but it makes fun. I remember occassions in my Stuka where I just turned off the engine and made a very tight turn. The enemy fighter was to fast and overshot me and suddenly he was in front of me. Wiht other aircraft you can outclimb your enemy, although you have to make sure there is enough distance to begin with between you and your foe or you end up as a slower target. Also you can dive and rotate and change directions to confuse the guy on your tail. Plenty of possibilities.

Yeah, I often tried to do this - it usually ended with getting shot or heavily damaged or crashing enemy into mine...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mayhemic.MAD on 03-05-2013, 14:05:03
That freetrack stuff looks really interesting.

(http://www.free-track.net/images/point_model_gallery/mav1985_01.jpg)
(http://www.free-track.net/images/point_model_gallery/mav1985_02.jpg)

I think my soldering skills might be good enough to try this version  :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 03-05-2013, 14:05:56
It´s very well possible to get you enemy off your tail. Granted: It´s not super easy and often risky, but it makes fun. I remember occassions in my Stuka where I just turned off the engine and made a very tight turn. The enemy fighter was to fast and overshot me and suddenly he was in front of me. Wiht other aircraft you can outclimb your enemy, although you have to make sure there is enough distance to begin with between you and your foe or you end up as a slower target. Also you can dive and rotate and change directions to confuse the guy on your tail. Plenty of possibilities.

I did not say it's not possible. As I said, better climb, speed and turn can always save you. But when you have a skilled pilot with an equal plane behind you it is very hard and it's good that it is. I don't get into the situation of having an enemy at my tail often anymore though as I check the surrounding and don't engage on enemies that are flying in a group. Most times I die to tail gunners or because of several hits from several people over a bunch of minutes. With checking surroundings and knowing the plane's advantages there is a fair chance to not get too many enemies on the tail anyway I feel.
Reducing speed, while lowering flaps and pulling up a bit sometimes works well indeed, but when the enemy is faster and overshoots he usually can pull up turn mid air and dive down again without you doing anything as there is not enough speed left.

I remember doing this with the fat Catilina though wehre the enemies often sit directly behind you as there is no tail gunner that can shoot them there, often just 100-200 meters away. Engine stop and they either have to dive down or crash into you and the Catilina often does not take lethal damage of it :P


Furthermore in Historical battles evasive moves can be a lot easier as the flight models differ a lot more and you can use your plane's advantages better. Furthermore the fights happen in higher altitudes than in arcade and it's harder for the enemy to hit you which gives more time as well.

But usually I experience that when I am behind an enemy fighter, he either dies or a teammate helps him and he doesn't die. In the end most evasive maneuvers just buy time, due to the arrow showing you where the enemy is and the 360° view, you don't lose sight on an enemy very often and losing an enemy requires mistakes on your own part.

Getting completely rid of an enemy fighter works great in biplane games and with planes that have a high speed though. Often I just dive down, knowing I am slightly faster than the enemy plane and slowly get further and further away from him. When he keeps following either teammates come to help or the gap is big enough to take some risk and finish him on my own.

But everyone has his specific playstyle there. I usually wait a lot and only get involved in dogfights whithout enemy number advantage, concentrate on bombers often and pick my targets very carefully.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 05-05-2013, 19:05:55
Ok,tried a bit yesterday.Downloading almost made me rage quit the game.
It's heavily based on WoT,but with a strange interface.It's quite like IL2 met WoT.The graphics and sounds are awesome,but I don't think it may substitute the new IL2 sequels,even if I play arcade mode.
The cockpits are beautiful,but I feel more comfortable playing at 3rd person,IDK why...
Still trying to understand how the researching works.Seems you need to have both points and a rank to get into a new plane.

What I really liked on this game were the pre war planes.Will never find them at IL2 or anywhere else.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 05-05-2013, 20:05:24
Well theres one big difference between War Thunder and WoT - in WT you can shoot every plane with 1st tier plane. These planes are really pain in the ass, becasue they turn faster. However, their lack of speed and low reward bonus make them not worthy using with higher levels. In WoT you can't damage a higher tank with lower tier one... Well, you will say that planes aren't the same as tanks - true, but in WoT often pissed me when guys with KV-2 simply ruled the battlefield.
What's more, in WoT each tank has armor bar, in War Thunder you can be shot with single burst, depending where you get hit. Of course, now it turns out that this game base more on luck than skill and I agree with this statement. However, if sb luckilly shot you, you can do this with the next plane, so it's ok.

Now, after last short patch, I think that reward system is ok. With a good round, I can get more than 30k lions which is not bad.

What I really don't like is possibility of killing pilot. Why? Because flying a German bomber or Me410 is really pain in the ass because pilot sits just "on the nose"....

What I really like is Stuka G-2 - awesome plane with its 37mm guns simply smash enemy bombers!   ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 06-05-2013, 01:05:57
But like in WoT,does a He-51 fights a MiG-15 in the same battle?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 06-05-2013, 07:05:00
But like in WoT,does a He-51 fights a MiG-15 in the same battle?

Nope, you get enemies based on your level with maybe some upper levels, depends.

If you're over 10 level, then you'll find jets, but those are very rare because almost nobody has them.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 06-05-2013, 11:05:58
But you most certainly will fight lvl 7-8 planes with a biplane... That means they get the Bf 109 F4 for example and you get a Gladiator/P 26 Peashooter... Of course it works both ways...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 06-05-2013, 12:05:43
But like in WoT,does a He-51 fights a MiG-15 in the same battle?

Depends on the time you play and wich kind of match. If you play want to play HB or FRB and there are not many players in the queue you have a good chance to get into fights against high level planes. But I personaly haven't seen a jet for a long time and I fly planes uptil level 9. They have improved the matchmaking alot since the last time I saw a jet in a match.

But there are some planes that are quite good like the F2A3 wich have a unfinished flightmodel and can turn and climb as if there is no tomorrow. This plane is perfect against higher rank planes like the BF109.
And don't forget to give the I152 a spin. Same story and a shitload of ammunition and high fire power. We had a squad of I153 some days ago in a HB and ripped the enemy planes like Spitfires or even P47.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 08-05-2013, 15:05:59
First round in HB in my Late Wellington. I also made 3 other fighters abort there attack since i shot them till they burned. Got the impression that its defences and bombs are rather good.

(http://s8.postimg.org/atxvv3n91/shot_2013_05_08_14_02_49.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 08-05-2013, 17:05:44
you destroy 7 ground targets and make 40k? WHAAAT! I don't think I made that much when I took out over 20 of those.. were those pillboxes?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 08-05-2013, 17:05:17
I killed tanks with my bombs.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 08-05-2013, 20:05:43
Seems like HB has higher reward, but it takes longer than Arcade Battle, so it's logical.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 08-05-2013, 21:05:37
Well, you get most money from killing tanks and of course you get a lot more cash and xp from Historical Battles in general.

Killing 1 plane in HB equals killing well...I'd say 5 planes you kill in arcade. But for more than 2 or 3 airkills with a fighter you usually need to reammo at mainbase and come back.

Heavy tanks are the most valuable targets to fight. Some heavy pillbox might bring a bit more but it's usually somewhere on its own while tanks come in groups.

It's a really nice system. When you are not careful you can spend over a lot of time in a HB and get nothing out of it when you get shot down early, but when you fly intelligent you can make much more xp and cash than in arcade. In arcade you always get at least some xp and cash, but even when doing great shitload like siben out of it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 08-05-2013, 22:05:23
it is mostly luck, games like that one are like once every few days, i average maybe 15k lions a game.

Here is killing 3 aircraft in a Bf 109 F4

Battle is a lot shorter, but cash is nice for it.

(http://s2.postimg.org/thnt7wny1/shot_2013_05_01_13_55_28.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 08-05-2013, 23:05:07
^ That's a good average, mine is about 5k per match... I guess even in historical playing with a (crappy) joystick has its disadvantages... The best match I had was around 37k in a Beaufighter...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 09-05-2013, 04:05:21
I think siben has premium account, you have more experience and money per game.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 09-05-2013, 08:05:34
I think siben has premium account, you have more experience and money per game.
I don't have premium, you can see it because my screens clearly say that with premium account you would have earned ...

I must say though, the level 7 aircraft get expensive. I play many nations, so i play every plane till it is destroyed. Then i switch to the next one. The repairs are getting insane after a bit.

Just play HB, pick your targets, i you have a 250kg bomb, go for the medium tank, not the AA or APC.

Play during the day, lots more noobs also for some reason.

An i am not THAT good, lol, I barely make it top3 most of the time.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 09-05-2013, 15:05:21
(http://s13.postimg.org/ehp2u2ah3/shot_2013_05_09_15_10_13.jpg)

well, shit, those were two La-7s I think, shot down by G-2
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 09-05-2013, 16:05:49
thats, nice..

10 ranks higher cant be easy.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 09-05-2013, 20:05:26
I shot down a G-6 in my F2A-3 or it was the F2A-1, not totally sure, just know that I barely managed it and only because of the incomplete flight model for the F2 series. The feeling of success was great
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 09-05-2013, 21:05:39
thats, nice..

10 ranks higher cant be easy.

It can if it's a bomber. :P

Downing a Wellington with Hurricane Mk I always feels nice...  :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 09-05-2013, 22:05:58
mfw I found out expert crew for the rank 12 Corsair costs 1.2 mil lions.. at least it is a beast, took it out for its first flight in HB, ended up shooting down 4 Ruskies over Korea earning 58k silver :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 09-05-2013, 22:05:38
30k in HB battle is not worth playing it... I can earn it as well in Arcade mode...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 10-05-2013, 00:05:18
(http://s13.postimg.org/ehp2u2ah3/shot_2013_05_09_15_10_13.jpg)

well, shit, those were two La-7s I think, shot down by G-2

How do you get so much money and experience? Even shooting down 7 to 10 fighters, I dont get that many.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 10-05-2013, 00:05:48
30k in HB battle is not worth playing it... I can earn it as well in Arcade mode...

You're probably right, HB sometimes tends to drag on forever... Especially if you're the last plane left alive... In one round me and Surfbird played I managed to land my badly damaged Beaufighter, then went to down one guy, and damaged the second guy (while also suffering damage myself, one engine dead and a leak) so I retreated back to the airfield... Unfortunately the round ended shortly before my second landing... Would have been an interesting match if it didn't, although I would probably lose anyway as Beaufighter is not made for dogfighting 109s fighter planes in general...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 10-05-2013, 00:05:08


well, shit, those were two La-7s I think, shot down by G-2

How do you get so much money and experience? Even shooting down 7 to 10 fighters, I dont get that many.

you get a higher reward bonus when flying HB, while in arcade you may get 1k for a kill, in HB you'll usually get 3 times as much.. and I got that XP because it was the first victory of the day 5x bonus, otherwise it would be much less

anyways, the excitement for the new Corsair quickly wore off after I realized that I would be facing Doras all the time and the repair cost is actually pretty fckin hefty, so I guess I'm back to owning noobs with P-40 or something

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 10-05-2013, 00:05:35
So flying realistic battles give you more experience and points?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 10-05-2013, 01:05:37
yeah, it does, altho the difference between reward in HB and FRB is marginal unlike arcade vs HB
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 10-05-2013, 01:05:24
I bought Me410 with 50mm gun because of curiosity, flew 2-3 times with it and got back to Me410 with 4 cannons... Really havent seen such useless plane...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 10-05-2013, 08:05:57
I bought Me410 with 50mm gun because of curiosity, flew 2-3 times with it and got back to Me410 with 4 cannons... Really havent seen such useless plane...

You can just attack ground targets with it all day, or bombers.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 10-05-2013, 08:05:02
yep, bombers desintegrate with that 50 mm
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Pejsaty on 10-05-2013, 10:05:05
I hit IL2 and nothing... Russian bias...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Kalkalash on 10-05-2013, 14:05:24
Well yeah, the Russian planes are a bit bugged at the moment, as they use a different flight model.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 25-05-2013, 22:05:28
Me and 2 others in our IL-2 randomly joining up after everybody else was shot down. I really got to like this aircraft, gives quite a punch.

(http://s7.postimg.org/3l7u1bdaj/shot_2013_05_25_17_50_12.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 26-05-2013, 09:05:08
IL2 it's extremely good. You can arm it with bombs and rockets, has fast firing 23mm and 7.62 guns, and when you dive, you can turn around very quickly and escape. They are good on the offensive too, 23mm will shred everything to pieces and I have killed my share of people with it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: DaWorg! on 27-05-2013, 01:05:41
Are there actually battles where it's like Finns vs. Russians, or Luftwaffe vs. USAF...or is it in every game mode just two teams with every player picking plane he wants?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 27-05-2013, 01:05:54
Are there actually battles where it's like Finns vs. Russians, or Luftwaffe vs. USAF...or is it in every game mode just two teams with every player picking plane he wants?

Arcade battles: Mixed nations with arcadey flight physics, air spawn, small and kinda unrealistic maps and respawn with another plane after death.

Historical battles:Realistic setup like Germany vs USSR on semi-realistic maps with less arcadey flight physics. No respawn, take off at airfield, reammo only at airfield.

=> You can play realistic setups, but then also play a more realistic gameplay, which is in my opinion more fun than arcade anyway.

Ah and there is also "Full Real Battle", for the joystick people that want realism, cockpit cam, a bunch of additional options etc. Also with realistic setup of nations of course.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 28-05-2013, 01:05:05
Codes to unlock the A26 POSTED ON FACEBOOK, HURRY UP
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 28-05-2013, 04:05:37
I have a problem. Just bought the first pylon of the B25, but there's nothing available to put there.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 28-05-2013, 11:05:12
Because the first pylon is just for more 250 lb bombs (8 instead of the 4 that can be bought without having any pylons).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 28-05-2013, 20:05:58
Historical battle are allied versus axis, like us vs japan, or germany vs british. Sometimes allied planes are mixed up though, like russian, american and british are sometimes in the same team.

The arcade mode ofcourse if just everybody vs everybody. But you have to choose your own planes from a specific nation.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 29-05-2013, 23:05:09
http://warthunder.com/en/news/159/current/ (http://warthunder.com/en/news/159/current/)

:O
Dat Tiger...

If they make this any good, Wargaming has a problem.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 29-05-2013, 23:05:04
Wargaming has NOTHING on these guys!  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 30-05-2013, 00:05:34
I expect it to be different than WoT anyway. My guess is that your camers is a lot closer to the tank, that you have some kind of detailed damage system like with the planes and that it's generally more realistic. But let's wait and see, I'm really curious how this will turn out.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 30-05-2013, 01:05:14
TBH I'm actually more interested in the upcoming 1.30 patch. And most importantly will it bring fixed economy.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: DaWorg! on 30-05-2013, 01:05:42
Thanks Siben and Surfbird. Just what i wanted to know. Glad to see the realistic mode is handled that way.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 11-06-2013, 23:06:26
(http://s18.postimg.org/t52zp31rd/shot_2013_06_11_23_17_34.jpg)

holy SHEIT! first game as germans on the new patch and I broke my records with this, oh boy, the new DM is sweeeeeet.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: muratti on 13-06-2013, 21:06:30
This game is awesome people join us http://warthunder.com/en/registration?r=1899232
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 13-06-2013, 21:06:14
I have to agree I haven't played for a while but 200k creds?

wat?


Is the economy fixed?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 13-06-2013, 22:06:01
No its not, yet (1-2 weeks before it is, or so Gaijin claims)
Historical battle + high tier plane + lots of kills = this.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 14-06-2013, 12:06:13
Oh cool looks like there's a squadron system in planning and registration has just started... The only catch... It costs 2500 eagles... Oh well I hope F|H will get one running so we can have some cooperative fun...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 16-06-2013, 14:06:35
I caved in, bought the deluxe package with 5 aircraft, 10k and 3 months premium...

Please forgive me.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 16-06-2013, 14:06:16
Should have waited for the new economy (IF it is coming) :D. I mean it's a pretty great game, that's being ruined by terrible economy and some awful gameplay changes (Bombers, rockets do nothing, bombs require direct hits or almost direct hits to kill anything etc.) but yeah, overall, not a bad game to spend money on.
Hopefully devs will pull out their heads out of their arses.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 16-06-2013, 14:06:48
First day after 4 months I can play WT again and what shall I say? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK did they do? Before I could hit targets... now in 4 rounds I made 2 kills maximum while loosing all my aircraft per round. Even if I hit with the 20mms they don´t do shit. In the meantime I was 1 shot (one burst - not even a second) and my pilot died like 3 times.

Not to mention I seem to have forgotten how to maneuver at all.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 16-06-2013, 15:06:59
First day after 4 months I can play WT again and what shall I say? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK did they do? Before I could hit targets... now in 4 rounds I made 2 kills maximum while loosing all my aircraft per round. Even if I hit with the 20mms they don´t do shit. In the meantime I was 1 shot (one burst - not even a second) and my pilot died like 3 times.

Not to mention I seem to have forgotten how to maneuver at all.
New damage model Butcher, more realistic (apparently), everything dies in 2 seconds (i like!), you also die in 2 hits (me no like). You have to be uber careful and not-get-hit-at-all to survive. Heavy fighters are even more epic now (Do 217 FTW!), bombers can't even reach their target (derp) so yeah, happy times. However you do occasionally get unlucky, and the enemy will just not go down, but on average everything seems to go die after barely sneezing at the enemy.

Oh and turns out MGs/cannons are better at destroying ground targets than bombs/rockets. GJ Gajin!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 16-06-2013, 17:06:33
The 7.7 of the spitfire is still a piece of shit.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 16-06-2013, 17:06:40
The answer to everything is the Bf 109 G6.


Nothing survives a burst of those 3 30mm autocannons.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 26-06-2013, 09:06:01
Finally downloaded this. In my first game I shot down 3 planes with a Hurricane I, and in the second game 2.

Ace in a day \o/


The game looks incredible with all the bells and whistles turned on, AND there are settings or mixture, trim, prop pitch, radiators etc in the realism mode, brilliant!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 26-06-2013, 10:06:52
Finally downloaded this. In my first game I shot down 3 planes with a Hurricane I, and in the second game 2.

Ace in a day \o/


The game looks incredible with all the bells and whistles turned on, AND there are settings or mixture, trim, prop pitch, radiators etc in the realism mode, brilliant!

Was that HB or Arcade?

Anyway I had a really cool round yesterday... I took my Spit II for a spin, the map was Malta, as I was climbing I was writing something in chat, and as my joystick is kind of broken my plane started diving on its own... I yanked the stick forward to level and I realised I was still losing altitude... Apparently my engine decided to die after that dive...

Great, I thought, the battle hasn't even started and I'm already out of action... As I pulled back on the arfield to repair I had a really awkward landing that totalled my engine, and finally after 2 minutes waiting I was back in action. To my suprise the battle was still heating up, although lots of enemies were already downed. I managed to score an assist versus a 109.

And then I noticed there was a bomber trying to retreat to his airfield on my left wing. I hurried after him and with a skilled (or rather lucky) shot of my 20 mm cannons blasted the pilot out of the cockpit. As I was flying back to the airfield thinking the show was over I noticed some guy in a Macchi 202 was trying to take off the strip in the middle of the island (it was an objective). I sent that bastard tumbling out of the airstrip in the hot Mediterranean Sea.

All in all, the round started quite bad, but it turned out quite nice, 1 assist, 2 kills and 3 ground targets nailed. Around 30k creds (they seem to have nerfed the rewards) :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 26-06-2013, 11:06:09
Finally downloaded this. In my first game I shot down 3 planes with a Hurricane I, and in the second game 2.

Ace in a day \o/


The game looks incredible with all the bells and whistles turned on, AND there are settings or mixture, trim, prop pitch, radiators etc in the realism mode, brilliant!

Was that HB or Arcade?

Historical
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 26-06-2013, 14:06:53
That's not bad. Respect.   ;)

You should go for HB anyway as it offers much more depth and tension with the different kind of maps and scenarios. I don't know when I have played my last round of arcade? Must have been months ago. I don't play that much recently as the instructor is one of my best friends and the matchmaking can get kinda twitchy with my squad mates beeing more or less five levels above me. But all in all it's still fun and challenging.

I am looking forward to the tank battles tbh. I hope they keep the more realistic distances of the HB.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 27-06-2013, 19:06:30
So is there FH Community squadron already or shall I make one? Or is everyone in some other squadron, which makes making it pointless (aka no members coming)? I know 762 community has it's own.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 27-06-2013, 19:06:09
I don't mind joining.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 27-06-2013, 19:06:17
I don't mind joining.
Same 'ere!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 27-06-2013, 19:06:39
I'd join, but unfortunately I don't have a way to contribute to the cost.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 27-06-2013, 19:06:47
No need to pay anything, but of course voluntary donations are accepted :)

You can find it by name Forgotten Hope Community now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-06-2013, 09:06:46
Bally Jerry pranged his kite right in the how's your father. The Squadron Leader dicky-birdied, feathered back on her Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on her Betty Harper's and caught her can in the Bertie:
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9088/oc9q.jpg)

My RAF banter a bit rusty I have have tried to sharpen it a bit.

Bunch on monkeys in the ceiling sir! Grab your egg and fours and let's get the bacon delivered!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 30-06-2013, 00:06:57
This game with its current economy turned out to be good for total no lifes...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 30-06-2013, 00:06:22
This game with its current economy turned out to be good for total no lifes...  ::)

You don't like it that you cant get the top aircraft after playing for 3 hours?
Tough luck.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 30-06-2013, 01:06:21
This game with its current economy turned out to be good for total no lifes...  ::)

You don't like it that you cant get the top aircraft after playing for 3 hours?
Tough luck.
But he's right, the game is majorly fucked right now. The economy is uber retarded (and here i was thinking it couldn't get worse than 1.29),and thats only one of many problems.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 30-06-2013, 02:06:34
Did they buff 109s? I played five games and ended up on the first place in four of them with at least 5 kills each, sometimes not even losing a single 109. Climbing was always great with them, but there seems to be something else being good now, I just can´t point my finger at it. Might be that the 20mm-cannon actually does some damage now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 30-06-2013, 02:06:44
The cannons from the 109 E don't do much dmg, the cannon from the F4 kinda does. F4 one of the better planes imo, but I thought the F4's and higher were good planes all the time anyway, so I don't understand what surprises you that much. Actually the F4 is one of my favourite planes right now
If you ask me, along with the climb, it maneuvers very smoothly and the cannon seems to be pretty accurate compared to other planes' cannons. And with proper use of flaps the turn is surprisingly good as well. So all these things together make it a very good plane.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 30-06-2013, 07:06:26
Beaufighter Mk. X is just awesome  ;D It just annihilates everything that is unlucky to get infront of it. Good wing man is must though, as it can't really shake anything from its tale.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 30-06-2013, 11:06:52
Shamless advertising of Forgotten Hope Community squadron.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 30-06-2013, 22:06:35
^ oh btw I joined the squadron under the nickname "perniczech" in case anyone was wondering who the hell is that.. anyone up for raiding some stuff with B25/B17? I've always dreamt about bombing airfield in HB
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 30-06-2013, 22:06:04
I'm in with that soon. Currently need 1 more level to get a B25. But I always wanted to do the same thing.

Edit: Nvm, I got the level but lack the money currently :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 30-06-2013, 23:06:01
I guess i could join, either with B25 or P47 as a sort of lame bombing escort :D.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 01-07-2013, 00:07:37
McCloskey and me just played some rounds doing Corsair action. I sucked, but it was fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 01-07-2013, 15:07:53
It was some nice flying with you, I'm definitely up for another action ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 01-07-2013, 16:07:10
Beaufighters <3

20 mm's and torpedoes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-07-2013, 17:07:30
So what do I need to join? I'm probably gonna put in more gaming hours during the summer... Currently I can offer a P40 (suckish) / Wildcat for the US and a Beaufighter / Spit Mk II for the Brits...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-07-2013, 17:07:43
You need to find the squadron and click "join", that should be enough :D.
Beaufighters <3

20 mm's and torpedoes.
I see the mighty Beau is getting popular around here, small wonder considering it has firepower of 3-4 regular fighters, while still being relatively fast and almost being agile. (AND cheap to repair, AND it looks good, AND its quite low tier).
You should definitely try out the Do 217 heavy fighter if you're planning on going with ze German tree.
4x20mm cannons loaded with minengeshoß does the job.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Kalkalash on 01-07-2013, 17:07:40
The new Japanese attack attack planes are also very good. Just as nimble as the Japanese fighters and armed with a 20mm cannon and a 37mm field gun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 01-07-2013, 18:07:17
Actually as a lvl 10 German I can tell you the 217 aswell as the 410 is a waste of money. Don´t even think about going down that tree. It´s only good for shits and giggles using the 50mm armed 410 - and then only for destroying bombers. You have been warned.

@ McCloskey: I think I fought you in an Arcade Battle the last days. I can remember this name Perniczech. I was wondering what "perni" meant.

As for the FH2 squad: I assume you are going to play historical mode. So I can offer you lvl 10 Ger or lvl 4 Brits and US. I´m one lvl to the FW190 <3.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-07-2013, 18:07:22
Actually as a lvl 10 German I can tell you the 217 aswell as the 410 is a waste of money. Don´t even think about going down that tree. It´s only good for shits and giggles using the 50mm armed 410 - and then only for destroying bombers. You have been warned.
What? no! 217 is great! I'm having tons of fun with mine. Of course I'm talking about arcade so the experience may vary depending on the game mode.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 01-07-2013, 18:07:24
You need to find the squadron and click "join", that should be enough :D.
Beaufighters <3

20 mm's and torpedoes.
I see the mighty Beau is getting popular around here, small wonder considering it has firepower of 3-4 regular fighters, while still being relatively fast and almost being agile. (AND cheap to repair, AND it looks good, AND its quite low tier).
You should definitely try out the Do 217 heavy fighter if you're planning on going with ze German tree.
4x20mm cannons loaded with minengeshoß does the job.

Yesterday I shot down 3 Ki-61s (two a models and one b) and Ki-45, don't remember which model, in one (historical) battle with Beau Mk.VIc. That plane is a beast.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 01-07-2013, 19:07:03
^In the same game I sank two destroyers, a cargo shit and few landing crafts ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 01-07-2013, 19:07:58
I fully upgraded my H6K4. 4000Lb worth of power in two 1000Kg bombs. only takes 8 passes for me to destroy an airfield. Wouldnt recommend flying the damned things though, no way to make money until bombs are denerfed. Can't make a profit at all.


Also applied for FHC Squadron as Lily_Satou, bit of an ingame joke betwixt myself and a friend.

So what do I need to join? I'm probably gonna put in more gaming hours during the summer... Currently I can offer a P40 (suckish) / Wildcat for the US and a Beaufighter / Spit Mk II for the Brits...

P40 is only good at high alt, otherwise I agree it sucks.

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If playing Historical, I've an F4F-3 (Ami), Bf 109 E-3, LaGG-3-35, Spitfire Mk.1, or a Ki-61.

I keep trying to decide on a tree and wanted to do German for awhile due to their cannons + planes I want in endgame. I considered Americans but the .50s needed to be patched still, I came to the conclusion they are similar to flying barrels. I like the Japanese tree but they just have no killing ability to them, I love being able to swat things and be untouchable but I just don't get kills with Jp planes.   UK is great since the mgs are kind of made up for in lack of killing ability via volume.



I have considered switching to the Ru tree only because of how easy I hear it is. I've flown the LaGG and it unfortunately matches a couple of my Jap planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 01-07-2013, 20:07:51
So what do I need to join? I'm probably gonna put in more gaming hours during the summer... Currently I can offer a P40 (suckish) / Wildcat for the US and a Beaufighter / Spit Mk II for the Brits...

Get a Corsair, Lucky. I learnt it's one of the best fighters, if not the best fighter in HB for Americans as it can keep up with higher tier planes very well and it's really enjoyable to fly. High speed, decent turn, good climb. It's a really great allrounder.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 01-07-2013, 20:07:27
I have heard that the F4u-1c is the best american fighter ingame
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 01-07-2013, 20:07:25
@ McCloskey: I think I fought you in an Arcade Battle the last days. I can remember this name Perniczech. I was wondering what "perni" meant.

could be, I've played a couple of arcade rounds recently, but I usually play just HB.

"perni" by itself doesn't actually mean anything (at least not that I know of), the name's kind of a play on my nationality and an old name of "pernik" I used to go by when I was younger which is Czech for gingerbread (I was never really creative and I had to choose a name when I started playing online and it just so happened that I was eating gingerbread..), perniczech is a portmanteau of that and czech which should be pronounced roughly as [per-nee-tshek] which is a Czech diminutive of pernik... yeah :D

I have heard that the F4u-1c is the best american fighter ingame

You've heard right, that thing is a beast, it's really easy to use and rips apart everything. And I mean EVERYTHING. All it takes is a short burst from them four 20 mils and the enemy usually loses a wing or tail. And you have nearly 1,000 shells - talk about overkill. I was kind of mad at first that they upped the repair price (35k to 44k) but after a couple of games I realized why they did that. You really want to get this plane, my initial goal was to get the Mustang and fly the crap out of that bird, instead it's collecting dust and I make shitload of money with the Corsair, owning the skies laughing hysterically after every kill.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-07-2013, 21:07:52
I fully upgraded my H6K4. 4000Lb worth of power in two 1000Kg bombs. only takes 8 passes for me to destroy an airfield. Wouldnt recommend flying the damned things though, no way to make money until bombs are denerfed. Can't make a profit at all.

God those things are beasts. I once got in a game and there was a whole squadron of them... And it was quite a low tier game too, we mostly had Brit fighters with .303s! Needless to say that we only managed to bring one down before we were wiped out... I stuck around for a bit after one of those bastards shot me down and even our bloody bombers were trying to bring them down! Have you ever seen a bomber dogfighting? :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 01-07-2013, 21:07:13
I fully upgraded my H6K4. 4000Lb worth of power in two 1000Kg bombs. only takes 8 passes for me to destroy an airfield. Wouldnt recommend flying the damned things though, no way to make money until bombs are denerfed. Can't make a profit at all.

God those things are beasts. I once got in a game and there was a whole squadron of them... And it was quite a low tier game too, we mostly had Brit fighters with .303s! Needless to say that we only managed to bring one down before we were wiped out... I stuck around for a bit after one of those bastards shot me down and even our bloody bombers were trying to bring them down! Have you ever seen a bomber dogfighting? :D

Yeah, they are insanely resilient.
http://imgur.com/a/PG6JF

Also the H6K4 Pre-war camo skin
(http://i.imgur.com/7xo7qSN.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 01-07-2013, 21:07:44
I have heard that the F4u-1c is the best american fighter ingame

I would go that far to call it the best fighter of all nations for those tiers. All Corsairs are good actually. Mostly it ends up in climbing battles to like 6-8k metres and those beasts are still above you. Needless to say that the Corsair out climbs most other fighters and you are mostly easy meat. Those guns shred everything apart with one burst and it is needless to say that you can't get rid of them as they are mostyl if not always faster than you when coming from higher altitudes. The only thing you can do is turning like a maniac, but that only works if there is not a cloud of Corsairs on your tail. And with the current state of the game you have little chance to get only one Corsair as opponent.

In short words - it's the new Yak 9T, wich got nerfed btw. Getting on someones's tail is not a problem, but the accuracy of the 37 mm got reduced alot, so better expect to hit nothing. It is only good against heavy fighters, attackers and bombers.

ME 410 is awesome btw. Go for the one with the 4x20mm cannons and you are good to rape some planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-07-2013, 22:07:19
I fully upgraded my H6K4. 4000Lb worth of power in two 1000Kg bombs. only takes 8 passes for me to destroy an airfield. Wouldnt recommend flying the damned things though, no way to make money until bombs are denerfed. Can't make a profit at all.
Yeah, bombing sucks in this patch (shit, I think it sucks since 1.29), most bombs are like hand grenades, and rockets are like tennis balls or something, I've stopped playing all of my bombers, apart from the Wellington, because it as that awesome 4000 lbs nuke, always fun to drop.
BTW. Great camo :d

P40 is only good at high alt, otherwise I agree it sucks.
Which is funny considering it was more of a med/low altitude fighter. Dunno why they nerfed it so badly, its not like it was OP or something. It's a pity because I like that plane a lot.

"perni" by itself doesn't actually mean anything (at least not that I know of), the name's kind of a play on my nationality and an old name of "pernik" I used to go by when I was younger which is Czech for gingerbread (I was never really creative and I had to choose a name when I started playing online and it just so happened that I was eating gingerbread..), perniczech is a portmanteau of that and czech which should be pronounced roughly as [per-nee-tshek] which is a Czech diminutive of pernik... yeah :D
Having read that I just realised. [per-nee-tshek] means "Little gingerbread" in Polish.
Gingerbreadception!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 02-07-2013, 00:07:43
I suck at this game, I'm just terrible!.

My joystick works, the only problem is that no button works! So I have to fire with my keyboard. Not a big deal, but switching my hand from the keyboard to the joystick just to slow down my airplane a little is uh, damn.


I will be doing "All Japanese", Maybe going for the 262 on Germany... I bought a Ki-43, a fine airplane with some nice guns, an improvement from the Ki-10s - A5M4 automatic pistols.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 02-07-2013, 03:07:40
The Ki-43 is my favorite japanese fighter thus far. I have the Ki-61 and the Ki 45s, don't like em as much. The A6M2N is ok but shoots pop gun caps.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 02-07-2013, 11:07:15
I suck at this game, I'm just terrible!.

My joystick works, the only problem is that no button works! So I have to fire with my keyboard. Not a big deal, but switching my hand from the keyboard to the joystick just to slow down my airplane a little is uh, damn.

Are you sure you have configured it properly? My only gripe with the game is that every plane seems to have different sensitivity to the joystick, so I have to tune it for every plane individually (might be that my joystick is a bit broken, though, it fell on the floor many times, and some of the buttons don't work everytime :D). Anyway what I am talking about is that I can for example tune it so the P40 flies level when I let it go, and then when I switch to the Spitfire it's suddenly diving at 15 degrees when I let the joystick go.

Anyone else have similar problems?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 02-07-2013, 14:07:58
I don't have a joystick but it is very well possible that the sensitivity for different planes may vary. As the instructor kicks in in different ways for different planes, I can image that some planes are more responsive than others. This aspect seems still very WIP i this game. Some planes are unflyable for me atm, since the instructor kicks in and the camera keeps turning into strange angles. For other planes this isn't a problem at all. BF 109 F for example is very wierd for me, though I loved to fly this plane in previous patches. Planes like the Ki 61 on the other hand fly smooth like hell.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 02-07-2013, 19:07:20
I suck at this game, I'm just terrible!.

My joystick works, the only problem is that no button works! So I have to fire with my keyboard. Not a big deal, but switching my hand from the keyboard to the joystick just to slow down my airplane a little is uh, damn.

Are you sure you have configured it properly? My only gripe with the game is that every plane seems to have different sensitivity to the joystick, so I have to tune it for every plane individually (might be that my joystick is a bit broken, though, it fell on the floor many times, and some of the buttons don't work everytime :D). Anyway what I am talking about is that I can for example tune it so the P40 flies level when I let it go, and then when I switch to the Spitfire it's suddenly diving at 15 degrees when I let the joystick go.

Anyone else have similar problems?

Actually, I think I screwed it up. When I bought it, no buttons were working. After some time, I opened it up and made a little mess inside. Strangely, when it was open, all buttons would work, but when I tried to close the thing, when I considered it "Fixed", all buttons stopped working. I think I broke a cable or something.

I'm kinda used to it, I must also switch my hands when flying on IL-2. Other than that, the joystick works OK. This Joystick was pretty cheap, I bought it like in a "Yeah, why not?" situation, it was the only one left in store... for a few coins? a fair price imo.

But anyways it's hard to fly with a joystick. I tried mouse+kb but no, no thanks.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: DaWorg! on 03-07-2013, 00:07:16
The Ki-43 is my favorite japanese fighter thus far. I have the Ki-61 and the Ki 45s, don't like em as much. The A6M2N is ok but shoots pop gun caps.

Shouldn't 2x 7,7mm + 2x 20mm be more powerful than 2x7,7mm , or 12,7mm?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 08-07-2013, 19:07:02
whoa shit, I've just won the premium acc for a year. it's funny tho because I'm not exactly running low on money and got pretty much all the aircraft I wanted now, but I guess I could finally try and lvl up the Japs :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 11-07-2013, 22:07:21
Just got Me410 with 50mm BK, its amazing, a flying panzer III! Everything explodes into small bits, pure fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 11-07-2013, 23:07:16
whoa shit, I've just won the premium acc for a year. it's funny tho because I'm not exactly running low on money and got pretty much all the aircraft I wanted now, but I guess I could finally try and lvl up the Japs :D
How did that happen? :O
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 12-07-2013, 01:07:32
There was a series of achievements for the past week and I completed some of them.. guess I got lucky and I was among the 3 ppl who won the premium in the lottery draw on the last day.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 16-07-2013, 22:07:16
I had the most interesting round ever last night. Iwo Jima, we only had one navy plane on the team and he quit shortly after the battle started. Everyone from our team except me and a P-47 got shot down in the next 10 minutes. It was me and the P-47 against 4 (or 5) Japs (excluding bots). He took out 2 or 3 and then flew without his tail while I tried to keep the Japs off him (not easy to do when you're flying an A-20). Anyway when they finally got him, I dragged them into a stalemate and essentially bored them to death. They couldn't possibly catch me, and when they got too close my precise gunnery would scare them off.

After 15 minutes of chasing up and down one guy succumbed to friendly AA fire from the ships (I cleverly lead them into our fleet), and the other crashed on the runway while trying to rearm, but got repaired shorty after. In the end we decided to end it in a draw, he was to kamikaze into me... Fun fact: he missed and crashed into the ground! And so I was stuck against 3 bots and managed to win the map in a bomber... Without even having the possibility to reload!

The result: 36k creds, and a boatload of XP... My only gripe is that I could have easily ended it earlier if my bombing was on target: one guy was crashed on the runway, and the other I missed by an inch when he was taking off... Would have been incredible if I managed to take them out with bombs...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 17-07-2013, 20:07:24
That is really being an asshole huh, making the round super long for no reason, running away like that. Really sabotaging game play right there.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 17-07-2013, 20:07:18
Got to the FW190 - energy fighter my ass: It climbs worse than the 109G, it turns worse than the 109G, it isn´t as fast as the 109G and it doesn´t have the gun in the nose like the 109G. How can that flying brick be at Level 11. It has two cannons and thus a higher burst mass and it rolls good, but that doesn´t win you an airfight. I would be grateful for some advice. Atm climbing, boom and zoom doesn´t seem to work.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 18-07-2013, 00:07:46
actually, once you master that plane, you will feast on enemy's tears, I'm telling you - it's a beast. don't get into turnfights with it, use it to boom the shit out of your target and then speed away, turn around and repeat. believe me, once you nail aiming with its cannons anything will be dead in a matter of split second (get up close and don't waste your ammo, I'm personally converging everything at 250 m now, used to have it at 300 but that was still too far, might work it even closer in the future)

oh and it still climbs better than an average US fighter :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 18-07-2013, 00:07:02
That is really being an asshole huh, making the round super long for no reason, running away like that. Really sabotaging game play right there.

Well yeah, but it was either that, or let them kill me... It was the only way to win, with no possibility of landing... Luckily both of them were from the same squadron, so I'm assuming they had a little chit-chat on TS while they were trying to chase me down.

Besides, in the end he was impressed by my flying and didn't actually want to shoot me down (and he could have easily, as I was going after a bot). We tried to end it in a draw but I was flying too slow, and he didn't manage to crash into me... Funny thing, in the end the last bot tried to kamikaze me, but I kept flying and he died.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 18-07-2013, 11:07:27
That is really being an asshole huh, making the round super long for no reason, running away like that. Really sabotaging game play right there.

Actually it is not more than playing out the strenghts of your plane and encountering the weaknesses of your enemy. A20 is very good for "running away" and baiting the enemies as it is damn fast. I did this with a Yak 9t like a week ago and got a kill instead of just playing the prey and dying without any effort. Staying alive as long as possible is the key to be successful in HB and not to play the rounds fast. It has nothing to do with beeing an asshole or not. At the end it just matters that you are more clever than your enemy.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 18-07-2013, 22:07:15
For Fw190, same as McCloskey said and try to stay at higher allitude and for when there is a fighter at your tail use the roll rate and try to get more speed or even climb if you know for sure the other fighter is worse at climbing.

Got the Hs129 (tier 13) some days ago and it is pretty good for an attacker it turns well enough and kills very quick with it's burstmass, the bad things I noticed are low speed and not so good at high allitude, got today my first 2 jetkills with it in one round ;).

Also I noticed in Dymanic Campaign that the ai bomber gunners are more accurate than in multiplayer.  ???.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 21-07-2013, 14:07:03
Hey! Today you can make some GOLDEN EAGLES in warthunder! Those will surely help leveling up. Take your T0 planes and you can achieve the 10x wins quite fast ;).

http://warthunder.com/en/news/212/current/


50GE for your third victory from the beginning of the event.

Next 100GE will be send to your account for your 5th victory!

Final 150GE will be your award for the 10th victory!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 21-07-2013, 15:07:06
Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-07-2013, 15:07:29
just downloaded war thunder

Time to declare a german bias war on WT  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 21-07-2013, 16:07:48
Just fly under tiered Corsair and LA-5 and destroy all the poo Germans.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 21-07-2013, 16:07:56
just downloaded war thunder

Time to declare a german bias war on WT  ;D ;D ;D
YEAH! Though Germans could actually use a buff :D. Not as much as the Japanese and Americans, but still.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 21-07-2013, 16:07:42
All the overpowered planes are in the Russian tree, everyone knows that. Yak 9T with a 37mm in Tier 8. Very balanced. Yet Me 262 is on stage 19 with jets from the 1950ies. Propably the fact that the developers are Russian and everybody in the game is writing with crazy russian letters has something to do with that.

So if I hear one word of German bias I´m going to shit on my keyboard.

Americans and British need some love indeed. Their guns don´t do anything. The Japanese tree is very sad atm with only some Zeros, no competent bombers...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 21-07-2013, 16:07:09
Chaika time.

Although it's kinda lame. Guess I'll fly a good mix of everything.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 21-07-2013, 16:07:13
Germans are all right tbh, back when I started playing the game I only played 'murricans till rank 9, then I added Germans to that and it was all so much easier compared to the US. A while later the Brits.. recently I've also been flying Japs. I refuse to play the Soviets, they are so good against everything they're just meh, no fun playing them. I'll only play the friggin chaikas/reserves if I want to win them free eagles or something, otherwise I don't see myself playing that tree seriously for quite some time.

Anyhoo, the planes are supposedly tiered according to their year of introduction into service, not their performance, which should be balanced by the plane's repair cost (e.g. F4U-1c).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 21-07-2013, 16:07:35
All the overpowered planes are in the Russian tree, everyone knows that. Yak 9T with a 37mm in Tier 8. Very balanced. Yet Me 262 is on stage 19 with jets from the 1950ies. Propably the fact that the developers are Russian and everybody in the game is writing with crazy russian letters has something to do with that.

So if I hear one word of German bias I´m going to shit on my keyboard.

Americans and British need some love indeed. Their guns don´t do anything. The Japanese tree is very sad atm with only some Zeros, no competent bombers...
Agree, Soviet planes climb so fast German pilots die of fear! Soviet planes fly so fast American pilots die of shock!
Made out of the toughest material on earth, Stalinwood, glorious soviet single engined fighters survive shots of any type and caliber, even 50mm Bord Kannone mineshell (no shit). Don't care if it is realistic or not, Soviet tree is by FAR the easiest in the game.
Anyhoo, the planes are supposedly tiered according to their year of introduction into service, not their performance, which should be balanced by the plane's repair cost (e.g. F4U-1c).
"supposedly" is the right word, considering you unlock F4U-1d 4 tiers before you unlock F4U-1c.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-07-2013, 20:07:28
The only soviet plane i am intrested in is the PE-2. Otherwise its US-British, italian, japanese and german heavy fighters for me.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 21-07-2013, 21:07:32
Damn, haven't played for a few days, and I instantly miss free eagles...  :'(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-07-2013, 11:07:23
This game is amazing. Cant believe i missed out on it!

Currently going for P39 -P63 for Americans, Heavy fighers with Germans and hurricane /bombers with le british. Freaking LOVE this game



ME110 is fantastic :D What a beast! 
Blenheim and beaufort are sexy
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 23-07-2013, 13:07:45
This game is amazing. Cant believe i missed out on it!

Currently going for P39 -P63 for Americans, Heavy fighers with Germans and hurricane /bombers with le british. Freaking LOVE this game



ME110 is fantastic :D What a beast! 
Blenheim and beaufort are sexy

Bf 110 is awful actually :/ I wish it wasn't, and I wish there were more of them like Fs and Gs with all the bells and whistles you could install on them.

Want an advice? Go for Beaufighter, It's EPIC.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 23-07-2013, 13:07:28
BF 110 awful? lol wat?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 23-07-2013, 14:07:44
I found the BF 110 awesome when i was @ rank 4. But as soon as you have those 20mm cannons on a better platform (BF 109 E @ rank 6), you will find out the BF 110 is utter shit. At least I never got warm with anything not being a one-seated fighter after this.

Thus I wouldn´t recommend going for the DO 217 also. Maybe you can do it, but be warned that everytime you make a wrong move you will be dead for sure, as you can´t outrun or outturn or outclimb the enemy with those. Beaufighter has at least good speed, but still the problem remains that you will have problems shaking enemies off with it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 23-07-2013, 14:07:59
Sadly, yep. It flies terribly, every slightest change of direction means massive loss of speed, 180 degree turn burns half of it or even more, and then you can't even accelerate, it only goes reasonably fast when you keep it absolutely straight. 110s are basically big, slow flying free kills unless they have many friends around them for defense, now, It might be realistic but I'm not so sure considering the FM of many other planes (P-40 AKA "flying wardrobe full of bricks")

The only redeeming features are quite good armament for its level, and it looks good. But only one level higher you get the mighty Beaufighter, so yeah, it's awful. Gaijin fix it!

Beaufighter has at least good speed, but still the problem remains that you will have problems shaking enemies off with it.
The whole trick is to NOT get anyone on your tail (ok it applies to everything but you know what I mean)
Though there are some ways to evade enemies with the Beau.
1. Nose down, get as much speed as possible, run to the friendly spawn
2. If you can't outrun your enemy plane and he's close you can do one fun thing :d, gear down, landing flaps and fire all the guns you have, the recoil will slow you down a lot (especially Beau Mk X with its 6 x .50 cals and 4 x Hispano) When enemy over takes you might get a chance at him (or at least a few more seconds of flight)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 23-07-2013, 14:07:15
I do by far best with my beaufighter in HB. I think I had my best HB game with it yesterday and I'm not really good. But I killed five and was the only guy remaining for quite some time. It has at least decent climb, great guns and good speed. Shaking off enemies is obviously tricky, but usually you get the kill when you are behind someone, so it's not a big issue I think and I still do rather good than bad in the games I play with it. Even when I get shot down earlier or later, I usually manage to do some damage for myself before going down. It's flight physics are rather easy to handle too.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-07-2013, 14:07:16
So far i am getting EPIC results with the ME110 by flying high, Diving, unloading and then getting the hell out, not looking back. This is the same tactic ME110 pilots applied in WW2 and it works great in Warthunder aswel.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 23-07-2013, 15:07:42
Don't know about the 110 but the Beaufighters are extremely good at killing stuff, as long as you can shake off tailers. After that, my current favourite plane, the A-20, insanely fast, good climb, 3 mgs to keep people off your tail and 6 forward hitting .50s for ground targets + 4 bombs for bombing runs... And it does good, matchmaking wise...

The only trick is to stay away from heavy hitters (37 and 20 mm cannons can get your elevator/rudder down fast, if they know how to aim).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 23-07-2013, 20:07:35
Has anyone managed to get to Malta in a P-40 in HB? Or Guadalcanal in a Spitfire mkII?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 23-07-2013, 20:07:16
So far only possible when they mix Allies, which I haven't seen happening in quite a while actually.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 24-07-2013, 18:07:08
After this chat here I decided to get the Beaufighter and try it out ... first round with it got me 11 kils without a death. Best burstmass so far, no questions asked. I could fly away if somebody was behind me, because that thing is also fast. And that is only the first one. The next level gives you an extra 6 machine guns to your 4 cannons. Madness.

(http://www.abload.de/img/shot2013.07.2414.57.1q5ud4.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 24-07-2013, 21:07:45
Mk X is slightly slower and handles like a bus when compared to Mk VI (which makes the Mk VI more effective in combat IMO). But its absolutely merciless, everything dies in a blink of an eye, and that's always fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-07-2013, 19:07:41
Rank 5 with US and UK

Gotta freaking love the beaufighter and A-20G
Now its time to get der german bombers! Ju 88!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 25-07-2013, 19:07:34
Sucks donkeyballs
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 25-07-2013, 19:07:27
All bombers do. Theta Y U NO in Forgotten Hope Squadron!?.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-07-2013, 20:07:31
i dint knew we had one
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 25-07-2013, 21:07:07
I'm fucking pissed. Chased a Yak 3 with my friggin Corsair A-version ofer have the map for 15 minutes, hitting that **** over and over again, scoring 500 points only by hits on that single guy and he takes 1 laughable crit at the left wing. Any plane with cannons can shoot down another plane with like 2 of my twenty bursts I hit, but 50 cals are no cannons so they of course don't do damage at all. Fucking War Thunder team has serious brainlags. Not sure if it's that russian easymode plane or he 50cals are just ridicolous. Probably both.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 25-07-2013, 22:07:14
Everything Soviet is OP (Look at the IL-2 dogfighting pretty much anything). The Swag 20mm and 7.62 are so much to deal with in their planes, especially since their stealth belts are all API-rounds.

Meanwhile, in the Japanese planes, I got shot down in a Ki-61b in historical by AI in a Fury because it caught fire while I was dogfighting with a Typhoon mk1a. Jap planes burn so easily (Historically semi-correct) and the 12.7mm Ho-103 MGs are so.. lame, like the american .50cals.

Gaijin has some issues here to address..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-07-2013, 22:07:31


Meanwhile, in the Japanese planes, I got shot down in a Ki-61b in historical by AI in a Fury because it caught fire while I was dogfighting with a Typhoon mk1a. Jap planes burn so easily (Historically semi-correct) and the 12.7mm Ho-103 MGs are so.. lame, like the american .50cals.

Actually the Ki-61 had self-sealing tanks. The grand majority of japanese planes were fire hazards, but late-war japanese planes like the Ki-61 had self-sealing tanks. Also the Ki61 was pretty well armoured for a japanese plane

But yeah, the heavy machineguns are a bit underpowered compared to autocannons.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 25-07-2013, 23:07:42
The 6 .50 cals on the Kittyhawk @ rank 4 are quite nice. I had a 13 kill streak the other day with it. It´s quite nice. Where I see the problem though is that the poor Muricans have the same armament and exactly the same burst mass on their rank 13 Mustang. That´s horrible. Not only that but the Yanks lack any kind of good fighter beyond level 13. There are only bombers and the Sabre at the very end. So what is any American player going to do after level 13 or when he lost the Sabre?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 25-07-2013, 23:07:52
That gap will be filled in future patches with P-59 Airacomet and P-80 Shooting star, among other things.

Oh, and discounts galore: http://warthunder.com/en/news/216/current/
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 25-07-2013, 23:07:37
I'm fucking pissed. Chased a Yak 3 with my friggin Corsair A-version ofer have the map for 15 minutes, hitting that **** over and over again, scoring 500 points only by hits on that single guy and he takes 1 laughable crit at the left wing. Any plane with cannons can shoot down another plane with like 2 of my twenty bursts I hit, but 50 cals are no cannons so they of course don't do damage at all. Fucking War Thunder team has serious brainlags. Not sure if it's that russian easymode plane or he 50cals are just ridicolous. Probably both.

It's all about luck I'd say... I stayed up in the air with the A 20 with black fuselage and left wing, leak, no rudder controls or elevator...for 15 minutes... while the 2 109s were trying to bring me down... They got pretty bored and were happy when they finally managed to get me (the plane was impossible to steer at that point :P)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 26-07-2013, 00:07:44
So what is any American player going to do after level 13 or when he lost the Sabre?

Nothing. According to McCloskey no need to get those anyway. Mustang is a joke and Lightning sucks too as it has a very exposed elevator. I'd guess that both planes are not worth their levels at all.

About the guns I just hate that you can crit an enemy with 1 shot from a random cannon but those 50cals don't do shit. I mean, it doesn't matter too much in arcade. People are so stupid there it does not matter too much how well armed your plane is (although cannons favour you a lot even there) But in HB it gets ridicolous.

And when the US airforce used the 50cals succesfully pretty much all war, why is it so bad in WT? So the Kitthawk and similar low tier US planes don't get OP?

They could at least offer a different shell rack for the higher leveled planes or just up the damage in general a bit. Or not making enemy fighters flying tanks. I observe a good bunch of hits that just get deflected from the fuselage, without being registered as hit ingame when I use the 50cal.

For other mgs that is alright and fine as they are usually lower calibre, but with the 50cals being the main weapon for US planes, they could do a bit more than what they do right now. It would certainly make the US tree less fucked up. Besides Corsair C version and the sabre there is not much worthy to go for on the US tree regarding fighters once you have advanced in level.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-07-2013, 00:07:13
The .50CAL, went straight trough the front of an ME109 engine block, trough the armour plating and right into the cockpit. This was tested with standard AP-I ammo at 500 meters.

The general rule in WW2 was that the 20mm autocannon required fewer hits and had somewhat longer range. But it was signicantly more difficult to aim, had much less ammo and a wider spread because of recoil.

A burst from 6 .50CAL MG's simply raped any aircraft. Even in Korea the .50CAL kicked ass.



In warthunder....well...I had much much fun till Rank 4. Now i'm rank 5 and i can see why EVERYBODY grabs a Beaufighter or any Soviet aircraft with a 20mm cannon. Because it rapes..And i mean, rapes...A single 20mm shell is enough to tear of your wing. Thanks to those critical hits. A long burst from my A-20G havoc's 6x .50CAL's did not brought down an PE-3 bis

He turned back....And his single 20mm Shvak was enough to tear off my freaking tailsection in a matter of seconds in One burst...


I might have played this game for only 4 days now but i can quickly see where the problems of this game lie.
Admitted, this game has much less faults then WOT or MWO...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-07-2013, 01:07:32
Funny how 50 rip through anything tier 4 and lower. and yet higher than that is just bulletproof. The problem are retardevs. They make changes to the game all the time (and NOT good ones) Like one month everything is a one-shot kill, the other everything is a fucking flying tank. And the worst thing is the changes don't make sense AT ALL!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 26-07-2013, 01:07:31
So what is any American player going to do after level 13 or when he lost the Sabre?

Nothing. According to McCloskey no need to get those anyway. Mustang is a joke and Lightning sucks too as it has a very exposed elevator. I'd guess that both planes are not worth their levels at all.

About the guns I just hate that you can crit an enemy with 1 shot from a random cannon but those 50cals don't do shit. I mean, it doesn't matter too much in arcade. People are so stupid there it does not matter too much how well armed your plane is (although cannons favour you a lot even there) But in HB it gets ridicolous.

And when the US airforce used the 50cals succesfully pretty much all war, why is it so bad in WT? So the Kitthawk and similar low tier US planes don't get OP?

They could at least offer a different shell rack for the higher leveled planes or just up the damage in general a bit. Or not making enemy fighters flying tanks. I observe a good bunch of hits that just get deflected from the fuselage, without being registered as hit ingame when I use the 50cal.

For other mgs that is alright and fine as they are usually lower calibre, but with the 50cals being the main weapon for US planes, they could do a bit more than what they do right now. It would certainly make the US tree less fucked up. Besides Corsair C version and the sabre there is not much worthy to go for on the US tree regarding fighters once you have advanced in level.

allrgiht, im kinda intoxicated now , but the MUstang is actually kinda allright once youi gain some altitude, i mean earlier today i had agame on rughr and i just climbed like to the left of the arifield and climber to like 7k meters and then cleared my way down throuhg those 109s and FWs (i acually dont know how the game neded up because i got shot down by a Do217 as i got greedy but i know i shot down 3 fighters and the Do was the last one on their team so yewah..).. in high speed the p51 turns actually kindagood (just dont go over 800kph or you're risking losing your wings) and you definitely can turnfight a 109G6. if your set you convergence at 300 m or less and hit hard the enemy goes down quite fast, but you do have to get sort of acustomed to the plane. BUT the lightning DOES suck ass, it is so easy to shoot down even inan F4, the elevator is just a friggen joke and WILL get raped every time you shoot at it so P38s are a joke and personally i would just let it rot in the hangar, that piece of shit (hbut ihear the later variants were better so that might be simething to look forward to)

all in all if you want an easy mid-late tier US game, go for F4u-1c (it still isnˇ't easy to follow the enemy in a dive but genereally it has the firepower, climbs well (better than it should I hear) and is fast). i laugh at the lunatics flying A26s, B24s and such late US aircraft because they're just meat for anything the enemy might thorw at them at those tiers ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 26-07-2013, 09:07:35

A burst from 6 .50CAL MG's simply raped any aircraft. Even in Korea the .50CAL kicked ass.

It performed poorly in Korea hence it was upgraded to 20mm. Thanks to bad Korean pilot Americans did well. Russian migs though pwned shit out of 'Muricans.

One MG151 20mm has more firepower than 3 fifties. Because of the explosives in the shell. 12.7mm were inferior and a lot compared to cannons. HMGs weighted more because you needed more of them, range was inferior and you could only use them against fighter aircraft with success. If 'Murcians had had to fight bombers outdated fifties would have been phased out earlier.

US did not upgrade to cannons because 12.7mm was enough and they couldn't produce reliable Hispano cannons unlike British. 12.7 did their job well enough so no replacement was needed but it was no where near cannon performance. Why ever nation used cannons except US, and why US upgraded in the end?

P-51D 6 fifties should feel like peashooters compared to FW190 cannon armament.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-07-2013, 10:07:12

A burst from 6 .50CAL MG's simply raped any aircraft. Even in Korea the .50CAL kicked ass.

It performed poorly in Korea hence it was upgraded to 20mm. Thanks to bad Korean pilot Americans did well. Russian migs though pwned shit out of 'Muricans.

One MG151 20mm has more firepower than 3 fifties. Because of the explosives in the shell. 12.7mm were inferior and a lot compared to cannons. HMGs weighted more because you needed more of them, range was inferior and you could only use them against fighter aircraft with success. If 'Murcians had had to fight bombers outdated fifties would have been phased out earlier.

US did not upgrade to cannons because 12.7mm was enough and they couldn't produce reliable Hispano cannons unlike British. 12.7 did their job well enough so no replacement was needed but it was no where near cannon performance. Why ever nation used cannons except US, and why US upgraded in the end?

P-51D 6 fifties should feel like peashooters compared to FW190 cannon armament.
.50CAL's kicked ass in korea because of the gun directory it had. Wich the north koreans did not have. the Mark 18 manual gun sight and the late war  A-1CM gunsight-AN/APG-30 was vastly better then the dual 23/single 37mm cannon.

Also 20mm cannons were deadlier, a burst of .50's had more chance of actually hitting an aircraft. Thats why german fighter aircraft kept 7.92 and later 13mm machineguns


But yeah, once the korean war was over, the .50CAL days were numbered. America was like=we dont need guns on our modern missile aircraft and then came the vietnam war...Where Subsonic Mig-17's brought down super expensive F-105's and F-4's.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 26-07-2013, 11:07:09
US pilots themselves said the fifties were peashooters in Korea, so later in Korea Sabres got 20mm. Koreans were bad pilots, but when ever Soviets fought against US pilots they could easily take hits from Sabres. Few hits here and there did not matter while on the other hand when Soviet MiG hit Sabre it went down.

Sabre had good gunsight but that was also used for 20mm. The fifties themselves were bad. Peashooters not good enough and needed to be replaced. Though they were accurate, but that is because of the ranging gun sight. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKff4m4pxA8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKff4m4pxA8) good documentary where you can hear pilots' opinions.

Fifties were upgraded for a reason. They did their job, but were inferior, especially in Korea.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-07-2013, 11:07:07
Still fine for WW2 and this is a WW2 game  ;D  oh wait

thats what they said about WOT aswel


Anyway, im closing in for the 37mm P39 and Ju 88 <3
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 26-07-2013, 12:07:48
I was baffled about the Spitfire mkVb, because I have a scale model of it on my shelf and it doesn't have that weird.. thing under the nose, so I started searching the interwebs on what it was. Apparently the devs have put the tropical version of the mkV in the game, so it has that huge Vokes air filter under the nose.

So now I, and also everyone here (probably long before I did), knows.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-07-2013, 13:07:26
How are the Me109 line of planes?
are they worth it?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 26-07-2013, 13:07:48
How are the Me109 line of planes?
are they worth it?

Yes. Totally. Except for G-6, that thing blows.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 26-07-2013, 15:07:32


Yes. Totally. Except for G-6, that thing blows.

Wait, what? Are we talking about the same G-6?

It has 3 fast firing 30mm cannons which completely annihilate everything in mere seconds. Afaik only the Me262 has a higher one-second-burst mass. It's one of the best high tier planes in the game I'd say.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 26-07-2013, 15:07:04
109s rule. just outclimb your enemy and laugh. You will almost always have the initiative as you have more height and thus speed. The E version is still not so cool as it lacks a proper amount of ammunition and has the guns in the wings, but the F and G are my best aircraft. Even better than the crappy FW-190. Also don´t underestimate the accuracy of the 20mm in the nose for F/G.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 26-07-2013, 15:07:57


Yes. Totally. Except for G-6, that thing blows.

Wait, what? Are we talking about the same G-6?

It has 3 fast firing 30mm cannons which completely annihilate everything in mere seconds. Afaik only the Me262 has a higher one-second-burst mass. It's one of the best high tier planes in the game I'd say.

It doesn't until 720k XP on the plane. Good luck grinding there with the single (actually slower firing) cannon and its 65 rounds, while the plane handles as if the gunpods were already installed. Thanks, but no thanks. By the time I got to not even 150k XP with it, I already had the G-10, which is a vast improvement even though you start with "only" the 20 mm cannon (but playing that plane doesn't feel like such a grind since the 20 mm is enough and you can unlock the 30 mm later if you want).

I guess to an extent you could compare the G-6 to the Mustang (even though I actually shot down quite a few G-6s with my P-51), you get used to it and you can make it somewhat work, but there are planes that give you much more reward that it is simply kind of pointless flying it (sure, you can say it's not about winning/rewards and that it's about flying your favorite plane.. but since the 109s look basically all the same...)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 26-07-2013, 16:07:29
Well I don't know about that, I had it before the patch introduced the 3 cannons as an upgrade and never had to grind them.

With the cannons it's definately not a 'you can make it work' plane. Blows up everything in its path with ease. One burst of the 30mm cannons kills everything, including most heavily armored bombers. One of the most deadly planes in the entire game.


Theoretically I suck at this game because I never bother to apply flying techniques and don't have the patience to disengage and restart all the time, but with the G-6 I've had a ton of kill streaks going up to 10-15 planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 26-07-2013, 17:07:52
Wait a second, you're playing arcade?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 26-07-2013, 21:07:43
Is there some tutorial for this? I installed it and the hangar is confusing as fuck, I'm used to the WoWP hangar a bit more, and just came from many hours of WoT.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 26-07-2013, 22:07:55
Theoretically I suck at this game because I never bother to apply flying techniques and don't have the patience to disengage and restart all the time, but with the G-6 I've had a ton of kill streaks going up to 10-15 planes.

Yeah but that's arcade... It's like flying against retards, it doesn't count...
:P

(and seriously whenever I play arcade I swear I get teamkilled more often than the enemy manages to kill me xD)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 27-07-2013, 02:07:19
Pity that this game bases more on pure luck than skill... My pilot was killed with 1st burst 4 times in a row! Pathethic...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 27-07-2013, 09:07:56
Why is that luck? if the enemy aimed for your cockpit, and comes in from the front for instance then this is more then normal. The skill part here is not to get hit and hit the other guy, not absorb 200 bullets in your body and then scream out fuck yeah when you kill the other one in 1 burst.

A good pilot coming from high altitude will always kill you in 1 burst if you don't dodge him.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-07-2013, 12:07:27
Pity that this game bases more on pure luck than skill... My pilot was killed with 1st burst 4 times in a row! Pathethic...
Yesterday i did a dive with my A-20 Havoc against a PE-3Bis heavy fighter, i waited untill i was at a range of 200 meters and i unloaded straight into the cockpit.

Thats skill, not luck :/
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 27-07-2013, 13:07:48
Im actually level 8 in Japan Country (the others im level 0, because i just whana be concentrated on japan)

Hoewer, theres 1 ting i dont get it:

British  have best engines

Americans best damage

Soviets have very machine guns

... and what is the Japanese advantage? (i personaly tink is bombing, but im not sure..)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-07-2013, 13:07:10
manouverbility and flammability
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 27-07-2013, 13:07:46
They have the coolest level 13 bomber
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Kalkalash on 27-07-2013, 14:07:35
Yeah, the Japanese can out turn almost all other same tier planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 27-07-2013, 14:07:50
Im actually level 8 in Japan Country (the others im level 0, because i just whana be concentrated on japan)

Hoewer, theres 1 ting i dont get it:

British  have best engines

Brits have good cannons, MGs suck balls, and planes are made of paper mostly. Also the engines pretty much suck (in HB, my Spit engine always dies, can't handle a quick dive nor a climb). The Beaufighter's engines are decent though.

Americans best damage

Americans are good dogfighters, except Cobras which are pure BnZ, and have nice 37mm cannons. Hovewer MGs aren't that great, despite the range.

Soviets have very machine guns

Soviets are OP, and their planes are made of Stalinwood, the hardest material known to man, also their planes climb faster, dive faster and have tons of cannons. And, yeah the P 39 with the red star is 100 km/h faster just because of it.

... and what is the Japanese advantage? (i personaly tink is bombing, but im not sure..)

What THeTA said, you can't out-turn a Zero
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 27-07-2013, 14:07:02
They have the coolest level 13 bomber
it looks nice but it is pretty bad, bad climbrate, slow, large target, it can make horizontal good turns but getting the plane flying straight again takes some time, large possibility you have to fight against jets and just like all bombers right now the gunners are bad, on the bright side it is hard to shoot down and can kill the airbase in 4 runs if you unlocked the 4x1000kg loadout.

Japan is good in turnfighting but has light armor and you should go into headon attacks, the medium bombers are pretty good, both ki49 and g4m has good climbrate and can load up to one 1000kg bomb, they are also good at turning even better then the beaufighter and ki45 (also in HB mode)? But I think that will change in future since I don't believe it got it's correct flightmodel.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 27-07-2013, 15:07:10
The Japaneese have pain and misery. Unique passive "+100 rage on the player" and the additional 15% chance of casting "switch to other nation" ability every round you play.
Oh and they have Ki-45 that is ultra-fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 27-07-2013, 19:07:06
Just got 200k for some reason, cool surprise.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-07-2013, 11:07:20
Just had one match with beaufighter

12 aircraft shot down
 ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 28-07-2013, 11:07:21
I tink that beufigther aircraft is soo unbalanced due to other countries aircrafts...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-07-2013, 13:07:24
So are there upcoming aircraft?  Like the P-61 black widow?


Because the British, US and japanese tech trees look kinda dull IMO
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 28-07-2013, 14:07:29
Knowing Gaijin it'll be a bunch of prototypes that were never used, and obviously some soviet aircraft because Soviet tree is not big enough ;/. Personally I hope they would first give us historical loadouts for existing planes, an proper flightmodels before making any new ones. Though the game could use soe more variants of existing planes like B-25H, Mosquito with full-auto 6 pdr, Ju-88P (with all the cannons) Mk II Hurricane C and D, all the BF-110s etc. so yeah, there's a lot to be done.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-07-2013, 14:07:59
Also ME110 is epic
epic
EPIC

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 28-07-2013, 16:07:45
Unless they seriously buffed it within the last months (didn´t fly it in a long time): Nein, the 110 is Scheiße.

Remember this status and post about this topic after you had the 109s.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-07-2013, 17:07:42
I just love the me110! Its way more manouverable then the beaufighter yet has sufficient armamant.


I came out of a match with 7 planes shot down. 2 Beau's, one ME109(with luck i admit), 3 ruskies and one Ki-43

No you cannot fill me with anti-german propaganda! Ich liebe das Me110. Also <3 the heinkel HE111

Its defences are mediocre but i find this to be an accurate bomber. Column of vehicles? Here have some 32 50KG BOMBS

Did 4 bombing runs so far. 5 targets in first, 6 in the second, 3 in the third and 8! in the last run :D


As for ME109...I dunno, i like it. Played it on friends account. I love the emil

But i want mostly the bombers of das reich in my hangar for arcade battles :)
Yes i like arcade battles :/
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 28-07-2013, 17:07:16
You may lie to yourself, but it won't change anything. 110 is utter rubbish.
Yes i like arcade battles :/
No worries, most of the WT players do.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 28-07-2013, 17:07:32
110 is amazing, it was garbage when it catched fire whenever anyone looked at it in a funny way, but now it doesnt happen that often, its more recistent to fire, and the 2 20 mm are awesome :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-07-2013, 17:07:01
I dont understand why people call the 110 rubbish. It might have been rubbish, but its one of my best performing aircraft :S

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/48342-50-cal-ballistics-update/

While OP's grammar is even worse then mine. He does have a point.

Perhaps lower ranked US planes with .50's should be given only normal ammo and only later rank 5+ should recieve incendiary and HE rounds
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 28-07-2013, 21:07:58
I wonder how is going the Army and Fleet update change the gameplay..

I mean, it would be pretty damn nice if the tanks we are bombing were real players, and the ships wich are shooting us with AA´s were also real players, as we were real aircraft players for them
(it would be some kind of online separated gameplay, because we only could saw aircraft score/army score/Fleet score...)

One question:

It is possible to implement somekind of FPS in a game like War Thunder? so if you change to the army you could also go infantry soldier, and play as FPS? is that even possible to be made in a game like WT?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 29-07-2013, 02:07:50
Obviously that it would be possible, however I think the scale of the map is too big...

And yes, WT is really random game. I really laugh so hard when sb says that aiming at the cockpit is skill. :D
Yeah, I wonder how you can aim at such small point on fllying object with 500 km/h or bigger speed.
But the most realistic thing is when you fly a bomber and your pilot got killed by a plane behind you - I wonder how it could be technically possible - bulllet penetrated the whole plane and head-shot the pilot? :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 29-07-2013, 04:07:21
Yeah, because the enemy totally won't ever send a salvo of mixed AP/HE shells headed your way and there's no way there could possibly be shrapnels created by those shells killing the pilot(s)...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-07-2013, 09:07:39
Obviously that it would be possible, however I think the scale of the map is too big...

And yes, WT is really random game. I really laugh so hard when sb says that aiming at the cockpit is skill. :D
Yeah, I wonder how you can aim at such small point on fllying object with 500 km/h or bigger speed.
But the most realistic thing is when you fly a bomber and your pilot got killed by a plane behind you - I wonder how it could be technically possible - bulllet penetrated the whole plane and head-shot the pilot? :D
I doesn't have to "penetrate the whole plane". It only has to penetrate the very thin fuselage, there is NOTHING inside of the plane to stop it.

And if you would have any awareness of three-dimensional space, you would notice than a fighter 250 meters behind the bomber don't have t have that much elevation advantage in order to launch few 20 or 30 mm mine shells in the cockpit area.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-07-2013, 12:07:37
B-25J is credit to team!

Ju88 is wunderbar  ;D



Now i hope the B-17 wont be a failure......

And i still miss so much German bombers :(  Like my favorite HE 177 Greif
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 29-07-2013, 14:07:20
Bombers are great till 7 tier... Later they are getting destroyed with 1 burst by everything...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 29-07-2013, 14:07:18
I wonder how one can keep the bomber crews effective without paying. i never ever got the 240 crew-points together to even level one of the gunners to a professional. Now imagine this with the 8 (??) gunners in the B-17. As of now I only find skilling of rear gunners effective in aircraft with only one rear gunner. The penalties you get otherwise are big.

Bombers are great till 7 tier... Later they are getting destroyed with 1 burst by everything...
And that... I can´t fly bombers any longer as I have to fear to get one shot by Yak 9T, Airacobra and so on with one shot.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-07-2013, 14:07:56
Can somebody explain this concept to me? of profesional gunners and non trained gunners?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 29-07-2013, 14:07:15
Well I have maximum level of gunners accuracy and experienced crew, so the fire accuracy (and this 2nd ability) is sth like 80 now and still my gunners cant hit shit...

However, I've heard that it will be improved, so I expect some changes...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 29-07-2013, 15:07:03
I've now had some alarming WOT-like experiences, where I do very (well, sorta) well and my team loses or I suck and my team wins on the x2 XP-bonus battles.

And while the 37mm is so op on all the nations, I had a House-moment: they don't nerf anything because every nation now  has something OP (Brits: Beaufighters, Germans: Ju-87G, US: P-39s and P-63s, USSR: Yak-9T, Japs: Ki-45) so it actually is sort of balanced.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 29-07-2013, 15:07:04
Don't compare Ju87G to Yak9T or Aircobra... This plane burns like candle after getting hit in the engine...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 29-07-2013, 19:07:33
Can somebody explain this concept to me? of profesional gunners and non trained gunners?
Some aircraft have rear-gunners. The number of those can differ from 1 (Beaufighter, Stuka, BF110) over two (Me 410 - as it has two small single turrets on each side at the back) to I think 8 or so in the B17. The amount of gunners can be seen in the skill menu for gunners (at the top).

There is a perk called: Experienced gunners which is level one. You can upgrade this skill to two and further for the cost of 240 skill points and so on. It´s very expensive.

According you don´t have the 240 points (which is normal) this happens:

With just one rear-gunner there is no problem. You skill the points and he gets them.

Now you have an aircraft with two gunners. But you only have one experienced gunner. This means only 50% of the skills for your rear-gunners will come into effect. You see this with red (-1) numbers next to your skill-tree for the gunners.

With 3 gunners and the skill for experienced gunners on level one, you will only get 33,33% of the skill points to effect.

And so on.


If you have two experienced gunners you wont get a penalty on aircraft with one or two gunners. An aircraft with three gunner-seats however will only receive 66,66% of the points, a four seated bomber will get 50% of the perks into effect. If you want 100% on it then you need to have all the gunners experienced - which is insane in cost.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 30-07-2013, 07:07:07
Ju-87 master race. If it had a stronger engine and retractable gear, it would be all I would ever fly.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 30-07-2013, 12:07:37
Only 150% reward kept me to fly it, when they lowered it to 50%, I changed it to another Bf 109 (version G2).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-07-2013, 13:07:50
The more i play this game

the more i realize you are fucked when you dont have cannon armed aircraft
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 30-07-2013, 18:07:47
Ki-61a and b.. and the Russian planes up to tier 4, excluding the LaGG-3. Those are a pain to fly. Well not to fly, but to do damage with.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 30-07-2013, 19:07:02
Apart form Chaika, and the I-15, but mostly Chaika.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 30-07-2013, 19:07:05
Hurricane is also quite good! :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 30-07-2013, 22:07:04
Yeah, especially the mkII, but Typhoon mkIa is not that good since it doesn't turn at all.

I'm having trouble with my Spitfire mkVb in HB. I always get my ass handed to me by 109s, 190s and even ME-410s.. Any advice?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-07-2013, 22:07:47
It stinks horrible

ME109 is alright after all

But Soviet fighter aircraft, Yak's and La's are pretty OP.....

I pour hundreds of .50CAL's and 20mm's in and they keep on flying
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 30-07-2013, 23:07:11
109 E-3 isn't that good in Historical, I prefer the F-4 because all the armament is in the nose and the cannon has more ammo and doesn't burn through it so fast.

I blasted 2 Yak-9Ts and a Yak-1 in HB before running out of cannon rounds AND fuel. Refueled and rearmed, took off and got head to head with an La-7. We both lost.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 30-07-2013, 23:07:23
So you guys prefer Historical battles to the arcade mode?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-07-2013, 23:07:00
i normally play arcade but i hop in HB with friends because every FH2 person i encounter wants to do HB :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 31-07-2013, 00:07:21
So you guys prefer Historical battles to the arcade mode?

Well that one battle where I got three planes, and died, I still got 18k lions. So I'd say Historical Battles is where the money's at. And it's more realistic, so you don't get those pseudo-flight models of arcade that usually make you rage over something that's not supposed to happen.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 31-07-2013, 01:07:45
So you guys prefer Historical battles to the arcade mode?

I prefer Historical Battles but sometimes spending ten minutes to reach a target only to be shot down is counterproductive, and you need to make up for the money you lose on repairing and rearming. I stay away from Full Real Battles, if I could use my PS3 controller like I did with IL2-Sturmovik: Birds of Prey then I could play them but with a keyboard/mouse it becomes a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 31-07-2013, 01:07:35
Arcade, historical battles are not my thing.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 31-07-2013, 03:07:04
Arcade all the way! I hate flying and climbing for 10 minutes and ending up being one-shot all for nothing. A big reward multiplier doesn´t help if you have to have close to zero points.

I actually make more money and XP in arcade battles. It´s fast paced combat a lot of maneuvers and action going on. Historic battles are more something I do if I´m watching television or I´m busy eating. Every once in a while I adjust the course of the plane and climb. Then some seconds of combat and refuel and rearm at the base - this is an annoyance. It´s really only good if you Alt+Tab and surf in the internet in the meantime while your plane is slowly crawling towards the enemy.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 31-07-2013, 05:07:03
7 air kills 2 ground kills 4 assists no deaths all in a hurricane mk1


Brits aren't too shabby.

Also working on procuring all the Ju-7 B-2 skins
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 31-07-2013, 11:07:29
HB is slow paced, but unlike in arcade you often meet skilled enemies and you know you made something right when you have made a kill. It's generally feels more rewarding to kill something. I agree that all the climbing is annoying though, I indeed surf on the internet while doing so quite a lot. THerefore I can totally understand when yoiu prefer arcade. But the fact that you just have to go get a tiny bit of altitude more than the enemy and simply dive on their tails does not make it much fun to me on the long term. Furthermore you really feel the advantages and disadvantages of all the planes in HB, in arcade the simplified flight models seem to put the planes on a similar level of effectiveness, even if you fly them differently.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-07-2013, 12:07:41
Flying an kitty hawk, pouring 2000 rounds in an ME109....NOTHING

Seriously this is bullshit.........
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 31-07-2013, 12:07:09
i bet just 10% of those hit
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-07-2013, 12:07:40
Many of them hitted...You need insane amounts of them to bring down a single aircraft but you need only a few 20mm's to bring anything down
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 31-07-2013, 13:07:58
Welcome to WT! now you can sit with us by the fire of bitter WT players. Only planes i bother flying anymore are those armed with 30+mm cannons (and the soviet planes made of stalinwood). Everything else seems retarded, Gaijin and their fucking "adjustments"...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-07-2013, 13:07:43
Screw it, im going german bombers/heavy fighters for now. Just rage quitted out of a match where i poured hundreds of rounds from my B-25j straight in an Yak-9T, only seeing him turning towards me and firing a few shots wich ripped my entire wing off
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 31-07-2013, 13:07:43
You know that the Yak 9T oneshots every bomber and every halfway competent Yak pilot thus is going to hunt bombers. Going for the german bombers ain´t gonna change it. On level 4 and 5 the He111 and Ju88 might be effective, but as soon as you get matched with Yak 9T on level 8 (or even airacobras on level 6) it´s gg for you. Going for the german attackers isn´t going to do you any good either. I warned you. Save the money for some 109 F´s (the standard and the Trop) - those are the best german low-mid tier aircraft.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 31-07-2013, 14:07:35
Yesterday I tried HB mode. Once I managed to get 2 kills and one or two assists with my La-5 and earned 30k lions! However, it would be great if only I could achieve this every round... Other rounds when I flew using bombers or British aircraft - Beaufighters and Spit II, I was quickly shot and fortunately I unchecked automatic repairs, otherwise I would be in big ass now...  ::) Really Brits dont have any chance after 5th tier against Germans... My friend told me that it was one of the evenings when you loose round after round...

So I think I'll stay with the Arcade mode!  8)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-07-2013, 14:07:21
You know that the Yak 9T oneshots every bomber and every halfway competent Yak pilot thus is going to hunt bombers. Going for the german bombers ain´t gonna change it. On level 4 and 5 the He111 and Ju88 might be effective, but as soon as you get matched with Yak 9T on level 8 (or even airacobras on level 6) it´s gg for you. Going for the german attackers isn´t going to do you any good either. I warned you. Save the money for some 109 F´s (the standard and the Trop) - those are the best german low-mid tier aircraft.
So far the 110 is still my best performing aircraft  ;D  I stopped going head on with Yak 9's and P39's.

Still you need cannons in this game. Period. I hope the DO-217 is worth it(heavy fighter)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 31-07-2013, 17:07:38
Many of them hitted...You need insane amounts of them to bring down a single aircraft but you need only a few 20mm's to bring anything down

it almost sounds like 20 mm are bigger and have a better explosive force.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-07-2013, 18:07:33
Its the diffrence Sicario

20mm's are as how i imagined them to be. .50CAL's are not

.50CAL's had a longer effective range and way more punch on longer ranges. If a 20mm shell impacted near an armour plate, it did little damage. An AP-I round impacting at 400 meters did so with over 10 000 joules force, piercing trough an engine block, armour plate and into the cockpit of an ME109. Anything where it passed trough was showered with hot magnesium.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 31-07-2013, 21:07:05
I smell Allied bias
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-07-2013, 21:07:33
Nope cause my german aircraft die way to fast!
FYI im rank 7 on USA and rank 6 on Axis and UK
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 31-07-2013, 21:07:43
The game is broken, that's why MGs and .50s suck. I'm taking a break from it until its fixed, the damage model just feels so random. I just ahd a Pe 2 surviving a direct shot into the tail with 50mm HE. it didn't even lose control or anything, and I also had an Il2 survive 2 hits to the front with 37mm cannon. Insta-ragequit.
Still you need cannons in this game. Period. I hope the DO-217 is worth it(heavy fighter)
Its quite fun, much better than Bf-110 rubbish. Though not nearly as good as the Beufighter.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-07-2013, 22:07:38
Well its heck alot of fun and it looks OH SO DAM SEXY AS HELL <3

Also much better tailgunnersection. Frontal firepower is sufficient IMO. Cannons are slightly less powerfull the beau's tough. And you have less ammo

But it does offer a huge advantage in speed/climbing/diving. 570KM/H vs 460KM/H is a big deal!

Still yeah, the Beau is better. But i "like" the DO 217 more.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 31-07-2013, 22:07:25
Just got 2Do217s, the J1 and J2, and I discovered I highly prefer fighters to heavy fighters/Jabos.
Is there a "sell plane" option?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 31-07-2013, 23:07:08
No, because the tech tree requires you to buy stuff to progress.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 01-08-2013, 09:08:25
I re-arranged my room and fiddled with computer location and now I've finally got a spot where I get green ping most of the time its magnificent.

My usual was 300-440 23% +- dropped packets

Now I can kill things.



Also retried the 110 and the 217s.
My response after one game and coming in first place with 8 kills:
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/fdefbe1cd381aed231ee3dc80cf340c5/tumblr_mgsgeh6YRk1qzo4v6o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 01-08-2013, 11:08:07
Ehmer geerd why cant you stuupib neebs cant undersnd PLANE X SUX cause i cant fly omg lol YOU SUCK you ary lying you cant really fly plane x cuz i say so!!!! why is so hard to undetand!!! you know nuthing!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-08-2013, 14:08:38
got shot down with my p39 by a stuka g2, felt pretty stipud.

next match, killed 5 with my p39, got 42 K lions, felt pretty badass
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-08-2013, 17:08:37
P 39 is great for BnZ, but I suck at it so I usually end up in flames (gj on engine placement, designers! I guess this is why it wasn't really liked by the troops).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 01-08-2013, 18:08:22
Took me Me410 B-6/R3 for a spin in arcade more. 6 kills before getting shot down by a 190 D13. Noobs trying to go frontal on my dual 20 and 30mm's . Good fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-08-2013, 18:08:31
P 39 is great for BnZ, but I suck at it so I usually end up in flames (gj on engine placement, designers! I guess this is why it wasn't really liked by the troops).

is not that is great for BnZ, its that its shitty o everything else. All those kills were russian p-39k's, a bomber thingy, il-2 and a lag-3
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 01-08-2013, 21:08:59
People say the P-40 is great but honestly I just can't play it. Or any of the american tree for that matter. The planes are so "fat" I'm T5 with an F4F and it practically flies the same as my TBF.

I cant BnZ with the P40 either, basically it seems like american planes can't roll like I am used to with my German ones.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-08-2013, 21:08:44
Something all American planes had in common was durability. P39, P40, P47, F6F, F4U..
Together with 6 .50CAL's spraying armour piercing incindiary rounds


Problem is
In WT
US planes are just as killable as other planes
.50CAL's Suck
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-08-2013, 21:08:51
That's because since the great patch that "fixed" the flight models most US planes are shit for no apparent reason, fling wardrobes full of bricks (oh and they have useless .50 cals). Aircobra/Kingcobra is the only reasonable way to go, 37mm saves the day.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-08-2013, 21:08:01
f4f is very durable, I tanked 3 zeros firing at me, lost most of my control surfaces but got away still flying. The .50 cals I dont know, i dont have problem killing things with it, they are weaker than cannons, but IMHO they should, there is a reason why after the saber, US moved away from the .50s
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 01-08-2013, 21:08:57
... american ... "fat" ...
Developers going by a stereotype, perhaps? Haha.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-08-2013, 21:08:31
you know nothing, sicario  ::)

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ideal.htm
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/CannonMGs.htm
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/weapons-systems-tech/20mm-cannon-best-worst-specs-comparison-lmg-hmg-etc-29624.html

Going trough this, in the long run, it turns out they are infact, equal.
20mm guns fire slower, have lower muzzle velocity and carry less ammo
.50CAL's are better in WW2 against fighters, but worser against bombers.

One of the biggest handicaps being that most of these were mounted in the wings. Beaufighters, Ki45 and DO 217"s demonstrated the deadly effectivness of putting these cannons in the nose

Postwar, mounting weapons in the nose became possible. Thus switching to 4x20mm or 2x30mm was the best and most logical solution.




I have no problem with 20mm in WT. I have a problem with the low damage of the .50CAL's in higher ranked matches.



FOr the moment, i putted the middlefinger towards US aircraft and gone for the Axis and UK craft's

I am not rank 7 with USA, almost rank 7 with Axis and about halfway down rank 6 with UK.


(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7959/7aui.jpg)

Mein little Flugzeug <3 She shot down 7 planes that match. Credit to team!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-08-2013, 22:08:43

Going trough this, in the long run, it turns out they are infact, equal.
20mm guns fire slower, have lower muzzle velocity and carry less ammo
.50CAL's are better in WW2 against fighters, but worser against bombers.

One of the biggest handicaps being that most of these were mounted in the wings. Beaufighters, Ki45 and DO 217"s demonstrated the deadly effectivness of putting these cannons in the nose

wouldnt the problem be that in arcade you cant edit your gun convergence, so each time you hit something youare actually hitting with at best half your armament, and since .50 rely on number of mgs firing, they would seem weak?.

When I play my americans (in historical), i set the convergence to 300 m, and dont fire until the plane is at that distance, if you lead your fire well, the enemy gets shatered.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-08-2013, 22:08:51
You can change gun convergence, even in arcade.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-08-2013, 22:08:42
it doesnt do a damn thing
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-08-2013, 23:08:45
Yes it does. Its fully functional.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 01-08-2013, 23:08:04
(http://i.imgur.com/L7eTogQh.jpg)
I don't always play historical but when I do...
(http://i.imgur.com/xFVey9Ch.jpg)

D-5 is my favorite Stuka thus far. Can't wait for that G series. Love playing Stukas as offensive aircraft.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 01-08-2013, 23:08:47
Info on the upcoming patch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1yogzRDCwI

More planes Russian OP shit. And more stuff for you to spend more lions on, and more modifications, though some are only purchasable with gold. So P2W.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 02-08-2013, 00:08:27
Oh, shitload of russian planes. What a surprise. La-5 a level 7 planenow, what the fuck?!

Hmm. Really looks like they are going to go WoT style entirely. I'm afraid this game is going the wrong way with this stuff. And the planes they added for other nations are just jets I am not interested in anyway.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 02-08-2013, 01:08:11
Interesting patch, now you can upgrade you Bf-109 F4 with 2x20mm cannons! :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 02-08-2013, 01:08:31
the fw190 a5 gets a 6/20mm option . Ohhhh man, this is gonna be SWEET
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 02-08-2013, 01:08:37
I've played enough of Gaijin's games to know that it will never be like WoT, and will be perfect when it's finished.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 02-08-2013, 01:08:30
No new Jap planes though, slightly disappointing
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 02-08-2013, 01:08:19
I read on the forums on warthunder the devs wanted the Russian tree to be the closest to the release tree first and that they wanted to add some more american planes before release of 1.33, sadly nothing for Japan and British except an tier 19 jet  :(.

The modifications seem interesting for arcade but I fear HB mode becomes even more unhistorical this way (fw109a5 with 6x20mm  :o) and I don't really see any improvement for the bombers like higher start allitude and trained gunners, also the economy seems to get better.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 02-08-2013, 01:08:29
YES! more low lever LaGGs, more Yak-9s, cause thats what we needed, STALINWOOD STRONG!
GJ Gaijin, you just went full retard.
I need to seriously start playing Soviet tree now, I'm at lvl 6 now but that's not enough, just imagine full lineup made of Yak-9's and La-5, delicious.

Oh and the guy on the patch video is derp.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 02-08-2013, 09:08:10
Still no MiG 3 right?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 02-08-2013, 10:08:57
I wonder if effectiveness of smaller/fewer guns will be reduced now, when you can destroy with 1x20mm cannon pretty fast now?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-08-2013, 10:08:31
screw it, im switching to OPsoviets
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 02-08-2013, 12:08:37
Still no MiG 3 right?
The rank 4 plane in the Polikarpov/MiG line?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 03-08-2013, 01:08:07
I'm guessing the only way to get more golden eagles is to buy them with money, eh?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 03-08-2013, 13:08:37
I'm guessing the only way to get more golden eagles is to buy them with money, eh?
Or you wait for an event to get like 300 Eagles again. But afaik that´s like 1-2 times a year.

Another thing: I unlocked a huge amount off camouflage for my FW190. It´s 8 camos now and by far the aircraft with the most schemes I have; is there any aircraft with more skins?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-08-2013, 13:08:26
At the moment there is an event
http://warthunder.com/en/news/222/current/

Make cool screenshots with spitfire/me109 and recieve up to 3000 Eagles
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 03-08-2013, 14:08:47
Another thing: I unlocked a huge amount off camouflage for my FW190. It´s 8 camos now and by far the aircraft with the most schemes I have; is there any aircraft with more skins?
Premium British Mustang maybe? i don't know for sure but i remember it having a shit load of skins. Just go to your profile and look :D.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-08-2013, 14:08:35
P40 has many skins
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 03-08-2013, 15:08:48
Ok i was bored so I just looked, the aircraft with most skins is P-40 and Fw 190 A-5, both have 10 skins. On second place we have Mustang IA and Stuka B-2 with 7 camos. 
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 15:08:48
http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/51878-preliminary-patch-notes-for-update-133/
What do you guys think of these patch notes?

MG's are buffed. new shell types for the fifties. Planes with 2 pilots need both pilots knocked out now. Defensive turrets can now have there shell racks changed.

6 new soviet planes
6 new US planes
one british plane

Also more US/german rockets + tiny tim :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 04-08-2013, 15:08:59
De Havilland Vampire, They could set up a Finnish faction soon ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 16:08:08
Plenty of finnish planes are in as of this moment. The captured soviet planes, D 510,Buffalo, Vampire , Fiat G50 and such

did the finnish had hawker hurricanes by any chance? and did they used them in WW2?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 04-08-2013, 16:08:34
Still no MiG 3 right?
The rank 4 plane in the Polikarpov/MiG line?

What its available now ? Then might as well get the game .
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 16:08:49
Still no MiG 3 right?
The rank 4 plane in the Polikarpov/MiG line?

What its available now ? Then might as well get the game .
Only fly Soviet and british aircraft.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 04-08-2013, 16:08:24
Hurri is OP hahahaha
first round 7 kills, not bad eh
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 04-08-2013, 16:08:35
You can fly every faction - each faction have cool planes on specific tiers.

For example:

-Germans: Great Bf 109, with the next patch allowing adding 2 20mm cannons they will become more epic! Me410 with its 4 cannons is also really nice, but rather use it to chase bombers than dogfighting, however ifare lucky you can also get many kills when theres chaos, because it simply smash everything with single burst! Currently on lvl 11 and heading to lvl 13!

-British: OP Beaufighter, cool Spitfires, I've bought also Typhoon which has nice reward and Wellington which has really high reward as a bomber; already flying at lvl 7 and I'm aiming to 8, in order to get 2nd Spit and thats all!

-Americans: Spam of Aircobra with its 37mm on early tiers really gives you advantage, however I'm currently on lvl 4, so don't have  much experience with this faction

-Japans: In my opinion the most difficult faction at early tiers, however when you get this Heavy fighter Toryu, the life will become much easier! I'm currently at 5 lvl!

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 17:08:34
Unlike the OP 37mm on Yak 9t, the airacobras 37mm is nerfed and not as usefull anymore
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 04-08-2013, 18:08:03
I've had some fun experiences with Japanese planes. Flew the H6K4 a week ago, managed to drag 5 enemy fighters out of combat almost to the edges of the map, shooting down 3 but still going for the entirety of the game with two badly damaged engines, gliding on wings full of holes for what must have been 4 kilometers.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 04-08-2013, 19:08:16
Not really looking forward to this update. More jets? Why? What´s the sense of getting a 262 in this game if you have to fight vs post-war jets. You get that 262 to be the fastest next to the meteor. Okay, the Americans need this, but yet another jet for the Russians? Probably even available before the 262 ::).

The new ammunition for .50cals is welcome however. Not sure about the additional 20mms for 109s. If they never were applied I think they shouldn´t be available.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 19:08:50
Yet no more JU88 models
or DO 17
or many german planes i miss


Also why not 7.5cm Henschell 129?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 04-08-2013, 19:08:30
why doesn't the FW190 A have the second pair of wing cannons?

Seriously, wtf?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 20:08:35
why doesn't the FW190 A have the second pair of wing cannons?

Seriously, wtf?
Not all FW190's had 4x20mm
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 04-08-2013, 20:08:08
Not really looking forward to this update. More jets? Why? What´s the sense of getting a 262 in this game if you have to fight vs post-war jets. You get that 262 to be the fastest next to the meteor. Okay, the Americans need this, but yet another jet for the Russians? Probably even available before the 262 ::).
I agree, the only jets In the game should be 262 etc. and only because those actually took part in WWII. Other jets should get their own matchmaking or be thrown out of the game completely (whats the poin of plying high tier prop-planes when you are matched against jets?), the whole game suffers because of all the mirror-balancing.
Yet no more JU88 models
or DO 17
or many german planes i miss


Also why not 7.5cm Henschell 129?
Or Ju88P with 7.5cm BK :D. Probably we won't get them because that would make actual sense to add them, but you know what? Let's add jets, and prototypes. Besides stalinwood bounces off tiny 75mm shells so it would be useless anyway.
Oh and about bombers.I like how it seems that Soviet bombers are the only ones that can have historical bomb load outs, while everyone else is "balanced", yay for Ju88 nerf, cause that was "OP".
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 20:08:15
bombers like B17 can actually destroy airfield? lets add more jets to counter them despite the jets being at the same rank yet way higher advanced
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 04-08-2013, 22:08:18
why doesn't the FW190 A have the second pair of wing cannons?

Seriously, wtf?
Not all FW190's had 4x20mm

Well that's a bit stupid, isn't it? Not all Panzer IVs had schurtzen and yet they are ingame!
I don't think 4x20 is OP at level 11, come on.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 22:08:07
why doesn't the FW190 A have the second pair of wing cannons?

Seriously, wtf?
Not all FW190's had 4x20mm

Well that's a bit stupid, isn't it? Not all Panzer IVs had schurtzen and yet they are ingame!
I don't think 4x20 is OP at level 11, come on.
There are many FW models and many of them infact, had the outer 20mm's removed because they gave stability problems. Doesnt mean it should be in tough.


There is even an FW190 with Dual 20mm and dual 30mm
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 04-08-2013, 22:08:43
or even 13mm MGs, never heard of them, but probably that's just my bad.

Dora looks terrible, much prefer the A/U and probably the F version, although the cockpit glass of the F8 is weirdly shaped, somewhat bubbly!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 22:08:31
based on US cockpits yes

The A-7 model is my favorite but i also like the lighter, more manouverable D models
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 04-08-2013, 23:08:55
why doesn't the FW190 A have the second pair of wing cannons?

Seriously, wtf?
Not all FW190's had 4x20mm

Well that's a bit stupid, isn't it? Not all Panzer IVs had schurtzen and yet they are ingame!
I don't think 4x20 is OP at level 11, come on.

And that's why, in the next update, you'll be able to mount additional 4 cannons, bringing the total amount of cannons to the magical number of 6! Germany, fuck yeah! (No I seriously can't wait to shred anything that appears in my sights, it's gonna be mad- or well, ppl on the receiving end are)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-08-2013, 23:08:56
US planes getting left out again..Where is the cannon armed sabre?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 05-08-2013, 00:08:51
Unlike the OP 37mm on Yak 9t, the airacobras 37mm is nerfed and not as usefull anymore

Yeah, especially when I took my Ju88 a few days ago and Aircobra with its first 37mm bullet "realistically" cut off my wing...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-08-2013, 00:08:28
Unlike the OP 37mm on Yak 9t, the airacobras 37mm is nerfed and not as usefull anymore

Yeah, especially when I took my Ju88 a few days ago and Aircobra with its first 37mm bullet "realistically" cut off my wing...  ::)
No 37mm was touched

exept the Airacobra's
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 05-08-2013, 00:08:03
you sure it wasn't the russian cobra?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 05-08-2013, 08:08:58
There are many FW models and many of them infact, had the outer 20mm's removed because they gave stability problems. Doesnt mean it should be in tough.


There is even an FW190 with Dual 20mm and dual 30mm

Not they were removed because of added armor and bomb pylons. All fighter variants had 4 20 mm, bomber variants did not.

It did not hinder performance at all and FW 190 was pwning spitfires left and right, hence the butcher bird.

In-game FW190A5 is and U3 variant though that is not actually A but it was later renamed F variant. So we do not even have the A in-game only two F variants that are GROUND ATTACK planes not fighter aircraft like A.

Next patch these ground attack planes will gain new cannons but those hinder performance a lot (6 20mm for F-2 and 2 mk 103 30mm for F-8 as optional), it will be nothing like real A version though as those hinder the performance like mad unlike what 20 mm MG FF cannons would do in the wings.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-08-2013, 17:08:30
So any chance of the D and A models being added? Cause i am currently going for the F-4 TROP me109  ;D ;D

I vill call it....Little Erika  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 05-08-2013, 20:08:14
How dare you call Friedrich Erika?  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-08-2013, 20:08:50
How dare you call Friedrich Erika?  ;D
My plane! my naming!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 05-08-2013, 20:08:03
Can't think of any female German nicknames that start with F.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-08-2013, 20:08:53
Can't think of any female German nicknames that start with F.
Frieda?
Fieke?
Friedelinde?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 05-08-2013, 22:08:53
Just go the easy way with Frau Blucher  ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 05-08-2013, 22:08:38
For anyone who can be bothered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKe8X66pDXU&feature=share&list=UUsAW6P71jEs3Gl0Fgc5VTGg
how to get on 1.33 test server,
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 06-08-2013, 06:08:47
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/993/o2ns.png
This is the funniest thing about playing War Thunder, Arcade especially. Seriously, six planes going after the same target plus the two that fell behind to go after me and probably joined the chase after shooting me down. Three are Beaufighters, just one of those should be enough to take a single fighter down but no, people can't bothered to look and see who's handling what.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 06-08-2013, 07:08:46
I never knew it was possible to have ping that low
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 06-08-2013, 15:08:46
Uh, 16 fps? My condolences...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 06-08-2013, 16:08:44
16 fps WHILE looking at the sky! Holy shit... Unless thats just fps drop from taking a screenshot or something
then thats pretty impressive, You should put the graphics option on ultra-low if that's your actual FPS, it would help a lot.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 07-08-2013, 11:08:04
Finally got the hangs of the Me109F4, that thing is awesome :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 07-08-2013, 15:08:51
Update is out.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 07-08-2013, 17:08:30
Woah, big update!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 07-08-2013, 17:08:19
great, now we buy second hand planes, I feel like Syria.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 07-08-2013, 17:08:31
Haha, I just bought the 3x 20mm for my 109G Trop and every performance upgrade. Total annihilation!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 07-08-2013, 18:08:01
Interesting update indeed.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 07-08-2013, 18:08:50
Aircraft price reduced by 30% COME THE FUCK ON! Not even half a day ago I went on a shopping spree and I'm completely broke now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 07-08-2013, 22:08:12
All those upgrades increase repair cost. This raises the question: How does the repair work? You can skill crew-points on the repair-rank of the aircraft. So if I have a level 9 aircraft the skill should be level 9. And then what? How often do I get a free repair then? How does the repair-rank work together with the repair-speed skill? Does it require me to not play for some hours or what?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 07-08-2013, 23:08:19
I've heard that it's not worthy to invest in repair skill, but it was before last patch, don't know if they changed sth with it...

Btw, game servers stopped, over 150 players only for 1 faction on 6-7 tier... And waiting for a game already for more than 5 minutes (arcade)...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 08-08-2013, 01:08:22
started playing brits like a week ago after quite long hiatus (mainly Spits Mk IX and XVI), but with the .33 patch I can forget about them again because... GUNPODS. as if the F4 wasn't good enough before, after a day full of brit losses, I decided to give the Germans a go and voila! except for I think 1 game everything else was wins and the last two games I had 6 and 5 kills per game

it is true they hinder performance a bit but once you BnZ ANYTHING (be it a bomber, P47, even the mighty stalinwood succumbs to ze powa of the deadly trio), it is DEAD no matter how bad you are. it doesn't even matter if you're alone up against 5 (random) guys, just pick them one by one and there's another win.. god and ppl are whining about the mark IX ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 08-08-2013, 01:08:11
Well, bf109 with its added cannons turns really slow, I have impression that it turns slower than Beaufighter... So I really think of turning back to 1 cannon in order to turn faster...

Unfortunately, 37mm single round can still cut off bombers wing and bombers gunners still cant hit anything. So I really think of getting read of bombers at all and fly only with fighters, because bombers are simply useless...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 08-08-2013, 01:08:46
You have to be pretty bad to say bombers are useless. But uh, good luck with the fighters.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 08-08-2013, 02:08:12
I have the new pods for the F4, and I tell you, it's really a preformance boost. Still, it doesn't solve the turning problem.

But the issue here is that I regularly get 5-6 kills per plane when I play Brits (Spit Mk.I, Hurri Mk.I and Mk.II), and just started getting 4+ with the modded F4, F4 Trop and E3 still have some trouble getting the number up.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 08-08-2013, 08:08:53
I've heard that it's not worthy to invest in repair skill, but it was before last patch, don't know if they changed sth with it...

Btw, game servers stopped, over 150 players only for 1 faction on 6-7 tier... And waiting for a game already for more than 5 minutes (arcade)...  ::)

One of my crews has 90 repair skill, I don't know the effect in the hanger but when i land a heavily damaged aircraft in HB i am taking off again about 6 seconds after landing. Same with the reloading. That was before the patch.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 08-08-2013, 12:08:00
Game ruined, kthxbye!

Seriously this game is turning into such a chore with all the upgrading and stuff... And they nerfed my A 20 with the removal of bombsights and now it turns slower. I am not amused!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 08-08-2013, 12:08:48
One of my crews has 90 repair skill, I don't know the effect in the hanger but when i land a heavily damaged aircraft in HB i am taking off again about 6 seconds after landing. Same with the reloading. That was before the patch.
Yeah, that´s the repairskill, it´s quite useful. But what is the repairRANK for? It tells me I´m getting free repairs if it´s on the level of the aircraft-tier. How often do I get free repairs then?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 08-08-2013, 13:08:22
And they nerfed my A 20 with the removal of bombsights and now it turns slower. I am not amused!

A20 never was supposed to have the bombsight in the first place, 'bout time they fixed that.

One of my crews has 90 repair skill, I don't know the effect in the hanger but when i land a heavily damaged aircraft in HB i am taking off again about 6 seconds after landing. Same with the reloading. That was before the patch.
Yeah, that´s the repairskill, it´s quite useful. But what is the repairRANK for? It tells me I´m getting free repairs if it´s on the level of the aircraft-tier. How often do I get free repairs then?

if you want the repair speed bonus to work, you need to get the repair rank up to the number of the plane's tier
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 08-08-2013, 13:08:39
One of my crews has 90 repair skill, I don't know the effect in the hanger but when i land a heavily damaged aircraft in HB i am taking off again about 6 seconds after landing. Same with the reloading. That was before the patch.
Yeah, that´s the repairskill, it´s quite useful. But what is the repairRANK for? It tells me I´m getting free repairs if it´s on the level of the aircraft-tier. How often do I get free repairs then?

Repairrank is for the tier for the aircraft, if you set off autorepair, you get an timer where stands an time which when expended your aircraft is repaired for free, for lower tiers this is something for an few hours, and higher tiers can be up to a few days, If you increase repairspeed the timer will be lowered, but if the repairrank is not on the same rank as the aircraft is tiered then the repairspeed will have no effect in hangar (not sure if this also counts for ingame repair at airfield)

Have not reached the max of repairspeed yet but for lower tiers, full repair for free can be only 30 min instead of 3 hours, higher tiers like 12 can be lower less then 24 hours instead of 3 days.
But it seems they lowered max repaircosts and increased repairtime for free, so it is not so important anymore for saving money.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 08-08-2013, 15:08:28
Well, bf109 with its added cannons turns really slow, I have impression that it turns slower than Beaufighter... So I really think of turning back to 1 cannon in order to turn faster...

Unfortunately, 37mm single round can still cut off bombers wing and bombers gunners still cant hit anything. So I really think of getting read of bombers at all and fly only with fighters, because bombers are simply useless...

If you can outclimb everything it doesn't matter whether it turns shit or not. Just go boom'n'zoom and you have good chances to kill something with this weaponry. Yesterday I flew with some of my mates as americans and we got into a match with nothing but 109's, everything from F4-G6. They were all cycling above us and took down one by one of us with one strafe. Zis is simply not fun.

Corsair lost it's big big advantage - the rate of climb - so you can forget about this plane now. Matchmaking is the thing that kills the fun for me atm with this game. I don't get what they are doing? With some patches it works nicely but with some patches they just fuck up everything.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 08-08-2013, 16:08:19
- 3 x 20mm and the ability to actually boom and zoom targets with one attack

is way better than

- 1 x 20mm
- 1.1sec less turnrate
- 3.1m/s more climbrate
- 12km/h more

109s are awesome now! The strange thing is taht they are even better than the FW190 4-5 levels after that. The FW190 is slower and less maneuverable and can mount 4 cannons. Well three cannons are enough anyways and with the speed and climbrate of the 109 the 109 is the better aircraft.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 08-08-2013, 17:08:21
I didn't play since they released the patch, but when I read all this stuff I really don't feel like playing WT at all. I hope there will be some shitstorm on the official forums about this.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-08-2013, 17:08:40
So yeah, now the tide has switched to the germans. GERMAN BIAAASSSZZZZZZZZ

Are these loadouts historical accurate?

I rather keep my Twin MG 17's in my ME109.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 08-08-2013, 17:08:20
The FW190 is slower and less maneuverable and can mount 4 cannons. Well three cannons are enough anyways and with the speed and climbrate of the 109 the 109 is the better aircraft.

4 MG151? You mean 6 MG 151 ;D

That's 2x7,92mm and 6x20mm, that's an entire anti aircraft battery in one bird ;D

So yeah, now the tide has switched to the germans. GERMAN BIAAASSSZZZZZZZZ

Are these loadouts historical accurate?

I rather keep my Twin MG 17's in my ME109.

"From the F-4 onward, the new 20 mm Mauser MG 151/20 with 200 rounds was used as the Motorkanone.[47] The first F-4s reached frontline units in June 1941. Production lasted exactly a year between May 1941 and May 1942, with 1,841 of all F-4 variants produced.[52] Some of the later models were capable of mounting two 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons under the wing in faired gondolas with 135 rpg. These were designated F-4/R1 and 240 of them were produced by WNF in the first quarter of 1942.[53] This optional additional armament was standardized as field kit for later G and K series." - Wiki
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-08-2013, 17:08:35
Okay thank you. I still rather prefer the standard loadout :)
Altough my FW190 will get 4x 20mm's
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 08-08-2013, 17:08:45
Imagine the poor Lancasters and B17 mofos, this thing is really gonna tear them a new one

I fly the F4/R1 and the F4 Trop with the standard 1x20mm, it's not really that big of a performance drop, I can still outrun the Yaks.

But it really helps with the heavies in the game, I think I got an A20 in one strafe the other round.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-08-2013, 18:08:07
Problem is, bombers really are underpowered atm

wich is a shame, because i like bombers :(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 09-08-2013, 18:08:42
Since the new patch whe, i try to aim my AA guns manually everything is inverted (up and down), where do i fix this?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-08-2013, 16:08:44
Flew my little Erika (ME109-E6) trough the canyons of that chinese map. You know, Sea surrounded by gigantic high rocks. Its like a maze

Chased 2 IL-2's going for our ships. I felt like darth vader and couldnt resist myself saying= I have you now!

Gold squadrons attack on our Destroyers was a huge failure! 2 Little Soviet stars to add below my cockpit!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 10-08-2013, 16:08:17
there's an E-6? :P

anyway, early Brits suck, but the Spitfire Mark IX and XVI? I DIG (that was before the update, but now they're even more awesome).. seems like I may have been using them a little wrong, now the russians and germans run in horror
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-08-2013, 17:08:12
I mean the first ME109 you can buy  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 10-08-2013, 17:08:37
So, has anybody figured this game out? The last patch seems to have turned up the idiocy and randomness all the way to 11. The damage is completely random, arcadey and stupid as shit, Once I put 150 rounds with MG 151/20 to no effect, other times 7.7mm machine guns rip entire wing off in a single burst. The guns feel so weak I'm slowly starting to understand rammers now, It is so frustrating when you shoot an enemy with no effects. The retarded random spread is not helping either, its super stupid esp. on bigger cannons.

BTW. I got a new range record kill: 1.4 kilometers, Me 410 with 50mm cannons sure has its moments.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 10-08-2013, 18:08:10
Now you find out that this game bases on pure luck than skill?  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 10-08-2013, 18:08:52
The HELL are you doing opening fire at that range for?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 10-08-2013, 19:08:19
Now you find out that this game bases on pure luck than skill?  ;D
The thing is it used to be better(not MUCH better but better) now it's totally fucked up, even Beufighters with 4x20 mm seem to take long when killing stuff.
The HELL are you doing opening fire at that range for?
I have a plane with an automatic PzIII tank cannon, why shouldn't I? :D I like "sniping" people, after all I just need one good hit, I couldn't catch the guy anyway, so I had no reason not to try and hit him, besides he was flying straight forward (in other word, he was a nice and steady target), It's extremely fun to shoot at a guy that thinks he got away, see the shell fly at him, aaand boom!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 10-08-2013, 19:08:28
What's with the new "ammo" icon by the plane icons in the hangar? and added price of the 20mm pods ammunition?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 10-08-2013, 19:08:44
What's with the new "ammo" icon by the plane icons in the hangar? and added price of the 20mm pods ammunition?

Every 30 reloads you have to buy the pod guns new for a whooping 9400 silver. Don´t know whether the regular ammo costs you also, but I think it´s cheaper. There are some silver lions shown on your regular ammo also but that´s only 5 or so silver lions per reload (?).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 10-08-2013, 23:08:33
This pure luck when comes to shooting your pilot with 1st bullet made me ragequit from this game.... And because of that I have to pay for repair the same cost as my plane was totally destroyed... And also this goddam frag stealing...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 11-08-2013, 15:08:35
We should have more screenshots here.

Returning to base after a bombing run. If you don't have cannons, you can't shoot me down :)

(http://s22.postimg.org/mf4shkjz5/shot_2013_08_11_15_16_07.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 11-08-2013, 21:08:25
The Mosquito is now my new favourite. First I had a historical battle with 4 victories and 1 assist and after that one victory and 18 destroyed ground targets.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 11-08-2013, 22:08:04
Aah, yes, can't wait till i got that one, they pack a punch and are annoying to shoot down, i even think i never managed to shoot one down so far...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 12-08-2013, 02:08:08
Japanese G4M1, I've flown it for about four days now and I have to really recommend it. It doesn't have that great a payload as higher tier bombers but damn, it's sturdy. The rear 20mm blows everything stupid enough to get close to shreds, to the point where a plane can come out at you from no where and just be automatically shot down by the time you switch to rear gunner. And even if that gun runs out of ammo you've still got four 7.7mm guns. Your enemies will run out of ammo just trying to shoot you down, it can take such a hit that they may even give up the chase. If they try to ram you, you've still got a good chance of surviving. It can come with four 250kg bombs, which is just enough to take out 10 ground targets before you need to rearm at an airfield. But I've only flow it in HB though, it might not do so well in Arcade.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 12-08-2013, 02:08:59
They lowered the price of the H6K4 repairs. huehuehue.jpg
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 12-08-2013, 11:08:47
Yeah, but they lowered also its reward...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-08-2013, 17:08:18
I have begun operating the Vickers wellington. So far i enjoy the aircraft, employing it on bombing missions at altitudes of 4 KM. But the armour is horrible on this plane...Despite it being know to be a very durable aircraft. Gotta love the stalinwood aircraft firing only a few 20mm's and bringing me down.

Atleast the MG's now actually do damage

Time to unlock that 4000Pound bomb and bomb some airfields!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 12-08-2013, 18:08:10
Well, actually 4000 pounds bomb is less than 2x1000 kg, but good luck with reaching enemys airfield with this "elephant"...

Btw, what's the difference between Wellingtons from 7 tier? This second one has lower reward, but the same bombs, does it have maybe better armor?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 12-08-2013, 18:08:09
Well, actually 4000 pounds bomb is less than 2x1000 kg, but good luck with reaching enemys airfield with this "elephant"...

Btw, what's the difference between Wellingtons from 7 tier? This second one has lower reward, but the same bombs, does it have maybe better armor?

The Mg's are located differently, also they have 2 extra machine guns in the rear. For the rest, i don't know.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-08-2013, 23:08:52
Well, actually 4000 pounds bomb is less than 2x1000 kg, but good luck with reaching enemys airfield with this "elephant"...

No problem on Arcade battles  ;D 

Dropped one 4000LB bomb on enemy airfield
what a coincidence that an Me-109 G was repairing!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 13-08-2013, 00:08:22
4000 is fun, you can nuke the shit out of everything and then die (because Welly is made out of paper, and zhe MGs do nothing), also it's the only bomb worth dropping nowadays. If you're lucky you can nuke a carrier/battleship  with just 2 of them.
Just add some Maiden into the mix and you're set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtNiyufRxKg
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 13-08-2013, 01:08:46
Any tips on flying bombers? For me it´s only those three options:

1) Fly very high, survife for the moment, don´t hit anything at all.
2) Fly rather low, get some ground-kills if lucky. Have about 30secs until someone shoots you to pieces.
3) Somewhere in the sky. Wumpp, dead. Oh... that was a 37mm.

I can´t even seem to unlock the better bombs. I have totally given up on bombers.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 13-08-2013, 02:08:18
Drop bomb on targets, rearm at friendly airfield, rinse and repeat.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/699/zyq.png
And at the end, if your result is far below this then you are either doing it wrong, or playing Arcade.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 13-08-2013, 02:08:26
Any tips on flying bombers? For me it´s only those three options:

1) Fly very high, survife for the moment, don´t hit anything at all.
2) Fly rather low, get some ground-kills if lucky. Have about 30secs until someone shoots you to pieces.
3) Somewhere in the sky. Wumpp, dead. Oh... that was a 37mm.

I can´t even seem to unlock the better bombs. I have totally given up on bombers.

I choose the 3rd option! :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-08-2013, 17:08:49
Bombing is difficult but i spend half the time in one. When in historical battles, always have a buddy as fighter  flying next to you.

I utitlize several tricks. High altitude carpet bombing on columns for example. But this take practice and skill. Most arcade players wont even bother going above 2 KM.

Another one is to fly high, then when approaching the target, you start to dive, gain imense speed and then dive shallow towards your target (Stuka's divebombed at 90 degrees. If you are not flying a divebomber, Do it in an angle around 40 degrees)

Some bombers have advantages over others.

The A-20G is an excellent light bomber with 6 powerfull .50's in the nose and reasonable defensive armament and armour. Bombing selection is poor however, with only 4 x 500KG bombs.
The B-25J is more manouverable then the A-20G, has lower speed but far better defensive armament and armour. Aswel as a wide selection of bombs


When it comes to actuall bombing the Wellington has the best bombing layout. one gigantic 4000LB bomb. Or how bout 2 torpedo's? No other plane has that in its rank.

Soviet bombers are rather weakish in defensive armament initially and carry little payload. They are manouverable however.

German bombers are pretty cool low tier, later on they suck. But then comes the DO217 E2 wich is epic.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 13-08-2013, 17:08:39
For bombing wait 2 minutes, then begin your game, make sure you are not in front, go low, maybe 200 meters, drop your bombs, everybody is so busy they don't notice you. It is also smart to stay close to friendly fighters. with some luck you can do 3 trips even before being shot down.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 13-08-2013, 22:08:06
IL-4 - after last patch it recieved more bombs options and bigger bombes - now its simply awesome with its quite high reward!

I can't wait to get its 1x1000kg +2x500kg bomb loadout. I with my 2 friends will gonna rape enemies airfield!  :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-08-2013, 22:08:17
What bombs damage airfields anyway???
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 13-08-2013, 23:08:44
All bombs make damage to airfield but unless you have 1000 kg you shouldnt try it...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 13-08-2013, 23:08:43
I think it doesn't matter how big the bombs are, its just a matter of total payload delivered, so 40x100lbs or 4x1000lbs or 1x4000lbs should do the same damage, unless ofc. something changed when i wasn't looking.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 14-08-2013, 00:08:04
In 1.29 the bigger the bomb the more damage it would deal to the airfield.

Not just 100kg and 1000kg bombs hitting, but 1000kg would do "extra" damage because of the impact of the bomb + the explosion. I can't explain it too well but the bigger the bomb the more extra damage there is, and not just because of the explosive
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 14-08-2013, 00:08:22
Well I meant in total 1000 kg bombs, but maybe damage makes bigger bombs, dont know... However, with IL-4 with its 1000 kg and 2x500 kg gives you over 1000 silver lions by 1 bombing run over airfield...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 14-08-2013, 01:08:07
Finally turned to the dark side. I couldn't resist it. I started playing CCCP. Got to L5 in two days
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 14-08-2013, 17:08:52
In 1.29 the bigger the bomb the more damage it would deal to the airfield.

Not just 100kg and 1000kg bombs hitting, but 1000kg would do "extra" damage because of the impact of the bomb + the explosion. I can't explain it too well but the bigger the bomb the more extra damage there is, and not just because of the explosive
Found some more info. Dont bother dropping bombs smaller then 500 KG. 1000 and 2000 are the best for airfields, carriers and battleships

I hope the Lancaster gets a better bomb layout tough. Its the weakest of the heavy bombers. It should get the 3600KG "cookie" and the 5400KG cookies.

Not to mention an upgrade for the turrets. Purchasable should be the FN-121 turret. An Fn 120 Turret (currently ingame) with "village inn" gun laying radar and twin .50CAL's
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 15-08-2013, 14:08:39
Has anyone flown the HS129 B? Or shot it down? What's it like?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 15-08-2013, 16:08:28
I think i saw it twice, i have 1 level to go before i can buy it. The impression i got from it was then it isnt the best option to fly at that tier, is a cool aircraft though.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 16-08-2013, 06:08:26
Do you see it a lot? No? It sucks unfortunately.

Quote
Alright, I bought the 'Duck' before patch 1.33 only to find out it was utter garbage. Slow, low ammunition capacity, little maneuverability, the list goes on. I stuck with it though because I didn't want my effort to be wasted. Today though, was playing some HB and I saw at the Oil had overheated. "What? This thing doesn't even have WEP, how is the oil overheating?" I was so confused. I foolishly ignored it only to have my engines die on me. I was able to land with no troubles at all, perfect soft landing with no damage taken except my engines. I get out of game ONLY to find my repair cost to be THIS (10398 lions for Arcade). I know this plane didn't preform well historically but this is just outrageous!

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-08-2013, 11:08:00
I played henschel on my friend his account....What a piece of garbage.


Its like the wellington

IRL Armoured as fuck
Ingame it dies from 5 rounds of 20mm ammo

Also warthunder is on steam now. There are special packs

Steam pack=For Steam only: P-36A “Hawk” fighter of lieutenant Philip M Rasmussen, one of the few American pilots, who managed to take off to protect Pearl Harbor from furious attacks of Japanese planes.
Two premium airplanes: XP-38G, A6M5 Ko.
Two single player campaigns: War Thunder - USA Pacific Campaign (1941-1943), War Thunder - Japanese Pacific Campaign (1941-1943)
Premium account for a month.
1700 Golden Eagles.
17 euro's

Mustang pack=P-51D-20 'Mustang' airplane.
Premium account for two weeks.
2000 Golden Eagles.
14 euro's

Dora pack=Fw.190D-13 airplane. ' airplane.
Premium account for two weeks.
2000 Golden Eagles.
14 euro's

Ace advanced pack=Two planes: Typhoon Mk.IB, Pe-2 series 205.
Premium account for two months.
10000 Golden Eagles.
26 euro's.

The Ace advanced pack is an incredible bargain. 2 Premium planes. 10 000GE worth 49 euro's and 2 months of premium
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 16-08-2013, 14:08:37
but no Dora, always, always, bet on Dora.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 16-08-2013, 14:08:01
I kill more ground targets per round with the A-20 Havoc than with the B-25 Mitchell. With the Mitchell I still ended up not destroying a single ground target at 3km height. Then I got down to 500 meters and killed 3 targets and was oneshot by an Airacobra. The Havoc got me 15 ground targets killed and 2 airkills. One with the front MGs and one with the reargunners. The Havoc is faster and has a decent reload time for the bombs that you can bombe something every minute. Well, my choice which bomber i take has been made.

Also I´m currently trying to reach the Bf-109 G-6 with the 30mm cannon. FWs are "meh" at best. Even my level 7 109 F performs better than the first two FW 190s.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 16-08-2013, 14:08:46
You installed the R6?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 16-08-2013, 22:08:55
I grabbed the steam pack. Ace pack is next. Maxed out reload speed on my jap bombing crew + my american TBF for torpedo purposes. Aced em both, 30 or so seconds to a new torpedo
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 17-08-2013, 11:08:14
To be honest, the new gun jamming feature can be annoying, i line of for a perfect kill, i shoot maybe for half a second and wham, all 8 .50 machine-guns jammed on my p47 thunderbolt. Fuck you maintenance guys, fuck you.

so, now you also have to pay to get a different skin on an aircraft? This game is getting worse patch after patch...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 17-08-2013, 13:08:08
so, now you also have to pay to get a different skin on an aircraft? This game is getting worse patch after patch...
I still can switch between the ones I unlocked before the patch without paying money. Does the "pay money for skins" apply to everything you unlock from now on or only for certain aircraft?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 17-08-2013, 13:08:10
The skins you hadn't unlocked before .33 was released now have upped requirements and cost 200 GE each, you can still unlock them for free (although it will take longer to do so)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-08-2013, 15:08:21
Feel like playing warthunder?

http://warthunder.com/en/registration?r=userinvite_2075576

Register via here! Und i get free golden eagles :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-08-2013, 18:08:49
Guys is the Spitfire MKVb worth it? Just reached rank 8 with UK. Got enough cash to buy either Wellington MK3 or Spitfire MKVb
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 18-08-2013, 20:08:02
I actually believe Mk Vb might even be worse than Mk II because of its Vokes filter...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 18-08-2013, 20:08:53
It's faster, but IIRC it burns through cannon ammo quicker. It also gets ranked higher in matchmaking, so I don't really recommend it.

And it looks uglier with the filter, I don't know why the devs have chosen that design..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-08-2013, 20:08:24
So far, it is fine. Catches fire faster but it has pretty good performance increase.


I still prefer the MK 1 and 2 tough. But i like all spitfires. My lineup for arcade is ATM Typhoon MK1a, Wellington MK1C late, Spitfire MKVb, Spitfire MKI, spitfire MK2 and D.520
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 18-08-2013, 20:08:22
Picked up the Ace pack on steam, bought both boomerangs and ended up netting 12 kills my first game with them. We still lost but getting 50k exp wasn't half bad
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-08-2013, 21:08:18
Well i finnally found a "love" for a certain model of aircraft. Its the spitfire. No doubt. Gosh i love these planes so much. I do have to admit however, at the moment i am performing equally good with all 3 of my models.I, II and Vb.

I keep flying my mark 1 despite it being tier 4. Why? bringing down a Yak-9K with it. Thats why!

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 19-08-2013, 02:08:56
Does anybody know for what you get "battle trophies"?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 19-08-2013, 04:08:50
They are supposed to be random, but aren't totally random. Can't remember the specifications
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 19-08-2013, 07:08:22
Well i finnally found a "love" for a certain model of aircraft. Its the spitfire. No doubt. Gosh i love these planes so much. I do have to admit however, at the moment i am performing equally good with all 3 of my models.I, II and Vb.

I keep flying my mark 1 despite it being tier 4. Why? bringing down a Yak-9K with it. Thats why!

Go and try some HB. Then you really get to know how good your plane is. Shooting down a Yak 9t with a Spity Mk I will only work in arcade because physical laws don't exist in this gamemode (atleast in normal circumstances). In HB every player, who has a slight knowledge how to use a Yak 9t will fly circles around you, in the real sense of the word.

Spitfire Mk I is good and till Spitfire Mk IX a good choice because you get better match making, that's all.  ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-08-2013, 18:08:04
Well i wont be encountering much Yak 9T's in HB if i play solo and on a simular ranking
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 21-08-2013, 22:08:24
Junkers Ju87 G2 - Bomber hunter ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 22-08-2013, 07:08:18
D-5 also rocks  :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 22-08-2013, 12:08:25
Wish the Germans had some bombers with turrets (not Do217)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-08-2013, 23:08:01
Wish the Germans had some bombers with turrets (not Do217)
(http://www.spmodelismo.com.br/howto/am/rlm/he-177.jpg)

Epic He 177 <3 favorite german bomber.
tailgun=20mm
Dual remote controlled 13mm MG dorsal turret
Forward rear firing 20mm gun
Bunch of 13mm's.

Ordonance=6000KG internally or 7200KG externally, simular to a lancaster.
565KM/H



Or how bout the A-3R5 model wich had a 7.5CM forward cannon(2 built)?
A bunch of them even had 21CM rockets!

BEST BOMBER EVER

(http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/heinkel/he177_b.gif)


Also 1200+ Built


INCLUDE THIS ALREADY FFS

BLOODY MONGRO's
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 22-08-2013, 23:08:47
You should know full well it would be totally fucked up if it ended up in the game, because only soviet planes are allowed to have their historical loadouts/ordnance capacity (yes, I will be going on about it until it's fixed or, n other wods, forever)
Besides I'd prefer Ju 88 with 7.5cm cannon. (though I wouldn't be sad if they implemented 177 in the game, it looks bloody brilliant)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 23-08-2013, 01:08:40
I've played a number of Gaijin games, by the time the beta is over I think you'll all be satisfied. They'd never release something with noticeable historical inaccuracies.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 23-08-2013, 03:08:44
I sure hope so.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 23-08-2013, 04:08:17
After a long break, I finally returned to the game. It was more fun than I remember. Have they buffed the BF 110? I do much better with this thing now than I used to. It can be because I have flown the ME 410 a lot, but I'm not sure. It seems much more sturdy now.

Anyways, after some hours of warm-up with tier 4 planes, I jumped back in the seat of the Hornisse again and man, those wasps really pack a sting. They still fly like a container with wings strapped on, but the 50 mm troll cannon, or elephant rifle as I like to call it is so fun to use for the lulz! I love one-shotting the big slow elephants trying to do some altitude bombing.

I also like the freedom of customizing your loadout. I just strapped on some extra 20 mm on the BF 109's, and can't wait to see how those fare. 

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2013, 13:08:02

I also like the freedom of customizing your loadout. I just strapped on some extra 20 mm on the BF 109's, and can't wait to see how those fare.
Only for german aircraft, wich kinda screws up the balance.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 23-08-2013, 14:08:09

I also like the freedom of customizing your loadout. I just strapped on some extra 20 mm on the BF 109's, and can't wait to see how those fare.
Only for german aircraft, wich kinda screws up the balance.
Doesn´t matter as Yaks still stand about 30 hits from the 20mms. The aircraft that can mount the triple 20mms have been raised a tier btw. (tier 7 -> tier 8)which makes them fight Russian 37mm, 45mm. I think Germans are perfectly fine. It´s just the Russians being OP and the Brits and Americans being mostly UP (except Airacobras and Beaufighters). Japanese aircraft are also quite good afaik - the tree and number of aircraft is just very sad.

Here a picture of my newest upgraded baby to annoy you. Huehueheuheuehe!
(http://www.abload.de/img/shot2013.08.2314.14.0ets1t.jpg)

I've played a number of Gaijin games, by the time the beta is over I think you'll all be satisfied. They'd never release something with noticeable historical inaccuracies.
Like aircraft from 1944 being at a higher tier than aircraft from 1948?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 23-08-2013, 14:08:52

I also like the freedom of customizing your loadout. I just strapped on some extra 20 mm on the BF 109's, and can't wait to see how those fare.
Only for german aircraft, wich kinda screws up the balance.
Hopefully only for now. There are quite a few more aircraft that could benefit from those.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 23-08-2013, 14:08:24
I wish tiers would be divided into years, however in this way Russians would have no chance in 1941...  :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2013, 15:08:17
At the moment, Soviet aircraft are still way to powerfull, i kinda dont mind it alot that the ME109's have triple cannons....as even THAT is sometimes not enough to bring down a YAK of your own tier......


But it is really unfair towards the other nations. Because they are still screwed no mather what. I flew many battles with my spitfires. US, japanese and UK planes are no problem. German crafts are a bit tricky as they are smaller.


But i need to pour atleast 2 Times the same amount of ammo in the average soviet plane. Especially YAK's PISS-me-OFF.... There is something just WRONG with the Yakolevs...

Even when flying the Yak myself do i notice much better results in battle. And the only downside is the low ammo amount. Even in HB this doesnt really matter, because you get faster kills with one engine mounted 12.7mm and 20mm then with 4x .303 MG's and dual 20mm's.


Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 23-08-2013, 15:08:06
But i need to pour atleast 2 Times the same amount of ammo in the average soviet plane. Especially YAK's PISS-me-OFF.... There is something just WRONG with the Yakolevs...
And here I was thinking I'm going crazy. There IS something wrong with Yaks, most of the time I stay away from them and really hesitate to attack them. I fear no aircraft but that THING... it scares me.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 23-08-2013, 20:08:17
Maybe it's because the engagement ranges and converging distances? Nose mounted guns don't care if the convergence is further away or closer, they hit dead on, which is why I have trouble in Spitfires while trying to kill targets out of convergence range.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2013, 20:08:01
Maybe it's because the engagement ranges and converging distances? Nose mounted guns don't care if the convergence is further away or closer, they hit dead on, which is why I have trouble in Spitfires while trying to kill targets out of convergence range.
No no i see those rounds hitting....Like
HITTING

EXPLODING
SHREDDING

it ALWAYS take more then the average german/UK/US/jap fighter
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 23-08-2013, 22:08:56
if you dont get a hit mark (the little X on the aim circle) you are not hittin, the bane of every multiplayer game, ping. The hits are calculated serverside, not clientside. its like in FH2 when you see a puff of blood but you dont kill the dude, its because you didnt hit it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 24-08-2013, 15:08:23
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7820/jfuk.jpg)
First game with Yak-1, damn that thing! Agile, fast, smooth, easy to aim, and it seems that single Shvak 12.7mm is more powerful than MG151/20 and thats without any upgrades! Everyone, get a Yak!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 24-08-2013, 16:08:49
yaks are broken in arcade, in HB they are cannon fodder
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 26-08-2013, 13:08:57
Me109 F4/R6 is BEAST
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-08-2013, 17:08:16
Been playing with a friend (Some FH2 members played wot with her, Kurosuki)  and we have been H6K bombing the crap out of airfields. It is such easy victory in Arcade. Unbelievable! 6Km altitude in close formation.

6 matches of wich 5 times we wiped out the airfield and 1 time our team took out all ground units before that.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-08-2013, 17:08:20
H6K formation? Beaufighter approves! :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-08-2013, 18:08:33
H6K formation? Beaufighter approves! :D
We got one of those suckers  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-08-2013, 19:08:54
H6K formation? Beaufighter approves! :D
We got one of those suckers  ;D
If you managed to kill them.. you know the rest :D, either he was very bad or very unlucky, there's no reason not to kill a H6K with that kind of firepower. Sadly bombers are free kills in WT, I feel bad for bomber pilots, they try to do something useful, kill maybe one target and then they die ;/, because anything under 500kg is basically useless.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-08-2013, 19:08:12
50 100 and 250 kg bombs should be more effective yes

also they should be able to damage airfields. ATM only 500-1000 and 2000KG bombs are effective vs airfields. Allowing the other bombs to deal damage will give unupgraded bombers a chance to gather EXP better.

Also the real problem is the defensive turrets. The gunners are wortheless, even when fully trained, and the aiming reticule is borked when shooting them manually
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 29-08-2013, 00:08:40
New record, 1.5km hit! Got him with my 3rd shot. All bow before the might of the 50mm Bord Kanone!
(http://imageshack.us/a/img850/9093/u22q.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img593/2264/8qe4.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 29-08-2013, 00:08:28
What doesn't change the fact that this plane is simply useless...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 29-08-2013, 00:08:44
WT saves screenshots?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 29-08-2013, 06:08:56
F12 w/out steam for HUD-less, print screen (iirc) for w/hud

F12 w/steam will give you HUD. Idk if a HUDless one will still be directed to your screenie folder
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: sn00x on 30-08-2013, 00:08:18
Didnt see it posted, and dont hate. Some people might not have seen this.

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/48225-ground-forces-work-in-progress/
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 30-08-2013, 01:08:53
Didnt see it posted, and dont hate. Some people might not have seen this.

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/48225-ground-forces-work-in-progress/


WOW! awesome graphics!

this must be the best browser game ever!

I mean... just look at it! dont get me bad but if they added infantry combat over the game, this would be better than any world war 2 - fps war game

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 30-08-2013, 06:08:59
I have a BF109-G6. What convergence do you guys use for the 30mm?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 30-08-2013, 07:08:04
I have a BF109-G6. What convergence do you guys use for the 30mm?

It really depends on the ammunition you use, what your target is, and how you plan to take it down.

Bullets lose energy, therefore damage, speed, altitude, etc. Damage is determined by speed, angle of impact, point of impact, material of impact, along with bullet and fuse type. Note that bullets can fly straight through an aircraft, at which point lost speed is also calculated. There are hundreds of different points on each model of aircraft with their own values as well.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 30-08-2013, 10:08:41
300m convergence. in all my planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 30-08-2013, 15:08:52
(http://imageshack.us/a/img5/7175/nkyf.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img401/8648/q44i.jpg)



One of those moments you feel really good about. Owning OPspits and Bearcats left and right >:D While it was a lost battle, I enjoyed sweating blood every turn while tangoing with them Spits (shame the last GT got destroyed mere seconds before the last guy went down). :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 30-08-2013, 15:08:33
Premium account.. Eh...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-08-2013, 15:08:30
Premium account.. Eh...
GET A JOB HIPPY  ;D

Currently flying low tier arcade battles. Loving it!

UK= hurricane MK 1 +2, Spitfire MK1, Boomerang MK 1 +2, Beaufort
CCCP= Lagg 3 35 8 + 11,mig 3 and Su 2
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 30-08-2013, 16:08:35
Premium account.. Eh...

Because that's exactly what secured those 6 victories: me having prem acc ::) (Btw I didn't pay a single dime for that premium, I won it.. for a year. hope u mad, hippy (nice one, theta) ;D)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 30-08-2013, 16:08:30
Coming to PS4 soon as well.  On the off chance anyone gives a fuck.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 30-08-2013, 17:08:21
Currently flying low tier arcade battles. Loving it!

The only way I can stand Arcade is if I take the Russian reserves & Chaika. Arcade + Joystick + Russian low lvls = UFOs. You can run circles around everything else, and they can often only shoot you down if they manage to ram you.  :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 30-08-2013, 19:08:54
TheTa, I've both Boomerangs too, love those things. BnZ with em with stealth ammo and rake the cannon rounds across the top of anything and planes go down without a hitch  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-08-2013, 13:08:57
Today i shot down a wellington
WITH A WELLINGTON

chased the bugger, and opened fire with front turret  ;D ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 31-08-2013, 13:08:22
haha, nice!  I have shot down german bombers with it, I went flying next to it and opened up with me 7 machine guns.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 31-08-2013, 13:08:37
Today i shot down a wellington
WITH A WELLINGTON

chased the bugger, and opened fire with front turret  ;D ;D
NOICE :D, thats something!:D
Bomber battles are always fun, I once had a Catalina vs Catalina fight. Two Catalinas, flying side by side, firing their turrets at each other, felt like some kind of seabattle.
also, this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuciVZ8UjWw Its Bucketseal!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mayhemic.MAD on 31-08-2013, 17:08:42
Has anyone tried this Android app ?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.junkcode.warthundertacticalmap (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.junkcode.warthundertacticalmap)

It connects to your PC while you play and shows the vehicles and planes around you.
I haven´t tried it yet, but it might give you more awareness if anything is coming too close from behind.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 31-08-2013, 19:08:33
Premium account.. Eh...
GET A JOB HIPPY  ;D

Currently flying low tier arcade battles. Loving it!

UK= hurricane MK 1 +2, Spitfire MK1, Boomerang MK 1 +2, Beaufort
CCCP= Lagg 3 35 8 + 11,mig 3 and Su 2

Problem is that in my country you will have to work 1 week for this account. In your, 1 hour of social payment...  ::)

The problem is that you won't buy skill by buying premium account...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 31-08-2013, 19:08:19
Premium account.. Eh...
GET A JOB HIPPY  ;D

Currently flying low tier arcade battles. Loving it!

UK= hurricane MK 1 +2, Spitfire MK1, Boomerang MK 1 +2, Beaufort
CCCP= Lagg 3 35 8 + 11,mig 3 and Su 2

Problem is that in my country you will have to work 1 week for this account. In your, 1 hour of social payment...  ::)

The problem is that you won't buy skill by buying premium account...

Lol, stereotype much?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-08-2013, 21:08:54
Premium account.. Eh...
GET A JOB HIPPY  ;D

Currently flying low tier arcade battles. Loving it!

UK= hurricane MK 1 +2, Spitfire MK1, Boomerang MK 1 +2, Beaufort
CCCP= Lagg 3 35 8 + 11,mig 3 and Su 2

Problem is that in my country you will have to work 1 week for this account. In your, 1 hour of social payment...  ::)

The problem is that you won't buy skill by buying premium account...
What the hell is your problem? I need to work 1 hour and half for a premium account, but its 1 hour and half i fucking worked for it, and hard. its not my fault you live like that. Mcloskeys outcome of that match would have beeen the same, premium account or not. My stats would have been the same, premium or not. Dont Deliver that shitty attitude here boy.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 31-08-2013, 21:08:03
No, without premium you earn twice less money and xp...  ::) But how could you know about it, when you bought premium just after first launching the game...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-08-2013, 21:08:17
No, without premium you earn twice less money and xp...  ::) But how could you know about it, when you bought premium just after first launching the game...
I have started to play this game 5 weeks ago. I bought premium last week with the ace advance pack on steam, wich was 26 euro's. 26 Euros ment 2 months of Premium, 2 premium planes and 10 000 Gold eagles


If you still think that premium accounts and skill are connected with eachother, then i am not even continuing this discussion. Just talking to a stereotypical wall.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 31-08-2013, 21:08:55
I've been playing since February myself and only got premium through the Ace pack since it is the best deal you can get when steam discounts it, yeah the added exp and lions help but the lions are not super huge. Any decent player can get premium levels of exp/lions, provided they are decent. I fly games and get at least 4 kills every game now that I've gotten experienced.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 31-08-2013, 22:08:15
In my opnion players buy premium to get high tier planes faster and as a result we have noobs playing on lvl 12...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-08-2013, 22:08:59
Thats your opinion and it is noted


Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 01-09-2013, 01:09:18
I play War Thunder since it became open beta and I have to agree with Mudzin. In general premium users are people who aim to get a certain high rank plane they would love to fly. They mostly lack alot of the experience that non-premium users gain by grinding through the tech trees. While doing this you get to know each plane and it's strength and weakness much better than just starting and instantly buying a level 10 plane and going HB. Ofcourse there are exceptions from the rule, but in one year of War Thunder you get the picture.

Pernizech won his premium acount and as I played with him a few times I can tell you that he doesn't need this account to be good. It will just help him to earn alot more money and XP alot faster ... that's all.
And he won it with his skill so he rightfully deserves it.

Tbh I can't stand this "Get a job, Hippy"-attitude. If I would have spend 26 euro to play two months of a beta for that limited time, I would have punched myself in the face. Thank god it is not my money, and everybody is free to do with his money as he pleases. But as Mudzin said: in some areas of the world you have to work damn hard and long to earn those 26 euro.
Just a reminder that moral values can vary alot, so you should think about to get down of your high horses.

And no, premium accounts are not always connected to skill, but very often and this inversely proportional.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 01-09-2013, 14:09:41
Golden Eagles for victories today. 16:00 - 19:00 GMT.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-09-2013, 14:09:55
I play War Thunder since it became open beta and I have to agree with Mudzin. In general premium users are people who aim to get a certain high rank plane they would love to fly. They mostly lack alot of the experience that non-premium users gain by grinding through the tech trees. While doing this you get to know each plane and it's strength and weakness much better than just starting and instantly buying a level 10 plane and going HB. Ofcourse there are exceptions from the rule, but in one year of War Thunder you get the picture.

Pernizech won his premium acount and as I played with him a few times I can tell you that he doesn't need this account to be good. It will just help him to earn alot more money and XP alot faster ... that's all.
And he won it with his skill so he rightfully deserves it.

Tbh I can't stand this "Get a job, Hippy"-attitude. If I would have spend 26 euro to play two months of a beta for that limited time, I would have punched myself in the face. Thank god it is not my money, and everybody is free to do with his money as he pleases. .

And no, premium accounts are not always connected to skill, but very often and this inversely proportional.
Do you know what my favorite battle tier is? 4.
I love my Hurricanes, spitfire MKI, boomerangs, blenheim and beaufort and i infact enjoy them even more if i can bring down a tier 6 person. I have experienced that, in these type of MMO's, the further you rank up, the more frustrating things get. And WT is simular.

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But as Mudzin said: in some areas of the world you have to work damn hard and long to earn those 26 euro.
Just a reminder that moral values can vary alot, so you should think about to get down of your high horses
That still doesnt give him the right to talk shit. If i was like= HAHAHA we pay so you can play
He had every good reason to reply

But if one person posts his battle results and he starts to bitch about him having an premium account. Then he is the one at fault.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 01-09-2013, 16:09:50
I buy premium just because I can. God I love being rich.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 01-09-2013, 17:09:23
Golden Eagles 16-19h GMT for victories today!

Hope this didn´t get under during all the whining.

http://warthunder.com/en/news/244/current/

"To celebrate the Gamescom award War Thunder presents special event — «Golden Fights»! This Sunday, 1st of September from 16:00 GMT to 19:00 GMT (from 09:00 PDT to 12:00 PDT) you will earn 100 Golden Eagles for the second victory and 200 Golden Eagles for the fifth victory."
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-09-2013, 17:09:03
So if you do 10 victories, you earn 600 GE right?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-09-2013, 17:09:53
Nah, after fifth victory you won't win any more gold.
As for prem account, so far IMO the only payment Gaijin deserves is a kick in the teeth with a shovel.
With all the bugs, imbalances etc. they don't deserve any support right now (after I saw what happened to WOT, I'm cautious about these games)  Prem account isn't worth it anyway. BUT the second their fix their shit I'm probably buying BTD-1 (what an awesome machine!)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 01-09-2013, 18:09:51
I play War Thunder since it became open beta and I have to agree with Mudzin. In general premium users are people who aim to get a certain high rank plane they would love to fly. They mostly lack alot of the experience that non-premium users gain by grinding through the tech trees. While doing this you get to know each plane and it's strength and weakness much better than just starting and instantly buying a level 10 plane and going HB. Ofcourse there are exceptions from the rule, but in one year of War Thunder you get the picture.

Pernizech won his premium acount and as I played with him a few times I can tell you that he doesn't need this account to be good. It will just help him to earn alot more money and XP alot faster ... that's all.
And he won it with his skill so he rightfully deserves it.

Tbh I can't stand this "Get a job, Hippy"-attitude. If I would have spend 26 euro to play two months of a beta for that limited time, I would have punched myself in the face. Thank god it is not my money, and everybody is free to do with his money as he pleases. .

And no, premium accounts are not always connected to skill, but very often and this inversely proportional.
Do you know what my favorite battle tier is? 4.
I love my Hurricanes, spitfire MKI, boomerangs, blenheim and beaufort and i infact enjoy them even more if i can bring down a tier 6 person. I have experienced that, in these type of MMO's, the further you rank up, the more frustrating things get. And WT is simular.

Quote
But as Mudzin said: in some areas of the world you have to work damn hard and long to earn those 26 euro.
Just a reminder that moral values can vary alot, so you should think about to get down of your high horses
That still doesnt give him the right to talk shit. If i was like= HAHAHA we pay so you can play
He had every good reason to reply

But if one person posts his battle results and he starts to bitch about him having an premium account. Then he is the one at fault.

But what McCloskey wanted to proove us - that he could get 6 kills with 1 plane by camping over friendly airfield (not a big achievement) or how much he earned in this round?

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I've been trying to connect on the server to get these fee eagles for 15 minutes and no success... Seems that I shouldn't expect too much from a free game...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-09-2013, 18:09:41
He defended the airfield

He made sure it was not destroyed

thats a nice achievement
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 01-09-2013, 18:09:25
But what McCloskey wanted to proove us - that he could get 6 kills with 1 plane by camping over friendly airfield (not a big achievement) or how much he earned in this round?

I didn't want to prove anything, the only thing I wanted to do is share a nice streak after battling it against all odds and that you can get lucky and own a few Spitfires everybody claims are "OP". 8) But hey, it obviously had to happen while "camping over friendly airfield" (the fck does that mean anyway? there's no such thing as "camping" in this game) because it's otherwise impossible to achieve ::) L2p first, you're embarrassing yourself.

Anyhoo, regarding the event: protip - fly the H6K, you'll win every single frakking time, it's so annyoing after you take out half the enemy team in your P-40 and then there's this flying whale >:(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-09-2013, 19:09:36

I've been trying to connect on the server to get these fee eagles for 15 minutes and no success... Seems that I shouldn't expect too much from a free game...  ::)

It's a nice achievement when friendly AA is useless... I remember on one occasion, flying in the A-20 around friendly airfield at 1000 m for 15 minutes  with 3 109s on my tail ... Do you know how many of them AA guns took out? None...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Surfbird on 01-09-2013, 19:09:10
Since there are eagles given away, I'll get those planes out of the garage and fly some again :) Thanks for the info!

Damn. Didn't patch for years and my internet sucks here, no eagles for me.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 01-09-2013, 21:09:50
But what McCloskey wanted to proove us - that he could get 6 kills with 1 plane by camping over friendly airfield (not a big achievement) or how much he earned in this round?

I didn't want to prove anything, the only thing I wanted to do is share a nice streak after battling it against all odds and that you can get lucky and own a few Spitfires everybody claims are "OP". 8) But hey, it obviously had to happen while "camping over friendly airfield" (the fck does that mean anyway? there's no such thing as "camping" in this game) because it's otherwise impossible to achieve ::) L2p first, you're embarrassing yourself.

Anyhoo, regarding the event: protip - fly the H6K, you'll win every single frakking time, it's so annyoing after you take out half the enemy team in your P-40 and then there's this flying whale >:(

Of course that there's camping in this game. Especially I "love" this guys which fly on 5km just to hunt bombers (easy frags), because they are so weak in dogfight... Above lvl 10 there's such retarted gamplay - people camp over friendly airfields (in Domination), and they chase you to a specific moment, until they decide that they are too far away from the friendly airfield... That's the result of ridiculously high prices of high tier planes... It will end like in WoT, that it will be worthless to use high tier planes....  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 01-09-2013, 22:09:06
Of course that there's camping in this game. Especially I "love" this guys which fly on 5km just to hunt bombers (easy frags), because they are so weak in dogfight... Above lvl 10 there's such retarted gamplay - people camp over friendly airfields (in Domination), and they chase you to a specific moment, until they decide that they are too far away from the friendly airfield... That's the result of ridiculously high prices of high tier planes... It will end like in WoT, that it will be worthless to use high tier planes....  ::)

Man, I just came out of a few arcade battles. There's "retarded gameplay" fucking everywhere. The whole mode feels retarded. I had a 109 G-2 completely black with engine shot to hell and I could still kill a few enemies before my engine finally gave out and I crash landed. All the work devs put into the damage and flight models goes in vain in arcade. When I first started playing HBs didn't appeal to me at all, but now there's just no coming back. (well, you know, except for when there's a special event or somethin) :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 01-09-2013, 22:09:14
HB? No thanks, I don't like flying 5 minutes just to get shot by OP Yak-9...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 01-09-2013, 22:09:28
lol, sure, go play 20 minute arcade games for 15k lions while i go make 50k lions in the same time in HB
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 01-09-2013, 22:09:44
But I like arcade...  :-\
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-09-2013, 22:09:20
HB? No thanks, I don't like flying 5 minutes just to get shot by OP Yak-9...  ::)

OP...a yak-9t?? the fuck you are talking about?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 01-09-2013, 22:09:33
also, with these stupidly fast shooting Russian guns and munition storage like 1/3 of any other nation you are lucky to have enough bullets to shoot down 2 aircraft in a Russian fighter. and once you take even the slightest damage your Russian fighter becomes unflyable.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 01-09-2013, 22:09:47
It will end like in WoT, that it will be worthless to use high tier planes....  ::)

What? I played 20 battles in the Leopard 1 yesterday and made 600.000 credits. Every tank is easily profitable.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 01-09-2013, 23:09:44
It will end like in WoT, that it will be worthless to use high tier planes....  ::)

What? I played 20 battles in the Leopard 1 yesterday and made 600.000 credits. Every tank is easily profitable.

I bet you have premium account...  ::)

lol, sure, go play 20 minute arcade games for 15k lions while i go make 50k lions in the same time in HB

Once I tried and if I hadn't turned off automatic repair I would have made nice dept... So no thanks, I prefer more confident payment and also Arcade is more enjoyable for me!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 02-09-2013, 00:09:43
I WILL COMPLAINT ABOUT THIS ROTTEN STEAK BUT I WILL NOT STOP EATING THIS ROTTEN STICK <- arcade player.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 02-09-2013, 13:09:01
I bet you have premium account...  ::)

Well ofcourse I do.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 02-09-2013, 16:09:14
I bet you have premium account...  ::)

Well ofcourse I do.

Yeah, because without it you wouldn't earn...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 02-09-2013, 16:09:30
Actually I would, I just don't see a reason why I'd play without it. I don't need any new tanks, I have 8 million spare credits as of now, yet I'll renew my premium which expires this week just because I don't like the standard garage.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 02-09-2013, 18:09:51
you can swap skins so that you have the upgraded garage by default :p
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 02-09-2013, 18:09:34
But I feel naked without premium...  :-[
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2013, 18:09:50
Today i vent nutzi bombers for 5 matches und i vas victorious in zhem all!

Stuka D3+D5! Me110 zerstorer! JU88! HE111!

I really miss my dorner DO17 <3

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 02-09-2013, 19:09:54
Thanks to the golden eagle challenge yesterday I now reached rank 13 with Germans. I still need 150k lions to get the BF109 G-6. I don´t have premium so does anybody know the fastest way to make money in this game? Bombers don´t work that well for me. Atm. I´m playing as much Luftwaffe as possible, because I have the highest reward-bonus on those aircraft. Regular bombers suck donkey balls/ I can´t use them properly. So the only option is to kill aircraft. Beaufighter gives me some money too as it has torpedoes and I can at least destroy some ships.

Right now I´m: Germans (13), USA (7), UK (7), Russia (3), Japan (3). So what´s the best moneymaker? Is it really just the highest level plane?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2013, 19:09:10
UK rank 4

Hurricanes (both), Spitfire MKI, blenheim, beaufort.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 02-09-2013, 19:09:36
Does the multiplier apply only to XP or also lions? If it applies to both, the lions I would make at that Tier are peanuts.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2013, 19:09:41
Sorry only XP


Hey try my tier 5 setup for German bombarz  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 02-09-2013, 19:09:36
Thanks to the golden eagle challenge yesterday I now reached rank 13 with Germans. I still need 150k lions to get the BF109 G-6.

DON'T. DO. IT. The G-6 is such an unbelievable crapplane it makes me want to slit my wrists just thinking about flying it. Especially at its rank it's just insane. Any decent pilot will mop the floor with you, especially if they're in a Mk. IX or F8F (which is, given the current matchmaking situation, highly probable). Just save yourself the pain, mate.

That is, of course, unless you play arcade. In arcade, every 109 is OPasfuck ;D

btw the Reward is how much lions you earn per kill, XP reward is based on the victim's rank (that's why shooting AI doesn't give you basically any XP whatsover - because they're reserves). It's also worth noting that destroying the ground targets with bombers gives you more XP than if you destroy the same target with a fighter.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 02-09-2013, 19:09:29
Reward multiplier applies to both, so yeah, flying low tier earns you shit.
Whats the best way to make silver? I don't know, I would say this: stop torping ships, don't destroy bases/airfields or anything like that because it ain't worth shit. The most amount of money i ever made apart from shooting down airplanes was bombing stuff with Wellington using 4000 pound bomb, on some maps you can nuke "packs" of medium tanks (like on Stalingrad winter, i think) and with good drop you can kill like 6-7 of them, each worth around 1k silver, then finish off the round flying fighters and you should get some nice money.Sadly stupid economy is still broken because of the stupid "upgrades" (not as much as before). You could also try flying Me410/U4, 150% reward means each kill is worth 1.8k
I think we should do some research on it or something, thats actually quite interesting, what is profitable and what is not.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2013, 19:09:24
Me and my wimpy always go for heavy tanks and it earns alot

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 02-09-2013, 20:09:12
DON'T. DO. IT. The G-6 is such an unbelievable crapplane it makes me want to slit my wrists just thinking about flying it. Especially at its rank it's just insane. Any decent pilot will mop the floor with you, especially if they're in a Mk. IX or F8F (which is, given the current matchmaking situation, highly probable). Just save yourself the pain, mate.

Wo wo wooo wait a second.

Even though the flying charactaristics might be not that good, its firepower is unprecedented. You need to unlock the 30mm autocannons for secondary, which gives you a total of 3 fast firing 30mm with a relative high amount of ammo. 30mm kills almost everything in one hit, and with 3x40 shells it's almost a guarantee you'll hit shit everytime you aim for it. Having one cannon in the nose and 2 under the wings means it has a very nice spread which makes it even more easy to score hits.

You just have to stay out of dogfights, and either go after the bombers or circle around and catch some lost lone planes offguard. I kill a lot of stuff even at distances of 500-1000 meter just by firing some bursts with the 30mms. It's a hit and run sort of plane, and it's one of the best in its class. I don't know any other plane with simular rank that has better firepower.

If they had also given it the charactaristics of a good dogfighter it would be overpowered as fuck.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 02-09-2013, 21:09:23
I still have very mixed feelings about this game.

The main issue for me remains the controls. I hate them.

Try flying this game with a joystick or gamepad. Aircraft jiggle from left to right, making it very hard to aim properly. Already have put the sensitivity to 0. It's better now but still a bit jerky.

If you use mouse aim, it's as smooth as glass. it's ridicules really. even if you have a big hole in your wing, the AI will make sure your aircraft will stay perfectly level, while if you do it yourself you have to constantly adjust. This is not right. people don't even control their flaps or rudders, it's all done for them. Maybe they have the illusion they're controlling the aircraft : in reality they don't, they just control the circle that tells the AI where to fly the plane and it does it for them. I'm trying to play this with a gamepad, but I'm at a constant disadvantage, I just cannot match the uber accuracy that mouse aim can provide. I don't like flying with a mouse, but for this game your almost obliged.

Only for bombers, joystick is an advantage, since you can steer your aircraft while managing your machine gun defence at the same time. But there it ends I'm afraid ..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 02-09-2013, 21:09:45
UK rank 4

Hurricanes (both), Spitfire MKI, blenheim, beaufort.

Yeah, especially with Hurricanes 20% reward...  ::) I think the best tier is Russians at 9 lvl: IL-4, Yak-9T, Yak-9K, La-5, IL-2 - and you don't need anything more! :D

Sorry only XP

Lions too... If you don't have premium , you can read how much you could earn with premium account after each battle.

So Theta, please stop writing bullshit!  ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2013, 21:09:21
I have written way less bullshit then you, Boychik
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 02-09-2013, 21:09:50
I have written way less bullshit then you, Boychik

Mudzin 114 posts vs Theta 15 334 posts.

I think not. Huehue.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2013, 21:09:30
I have written way less bullshit then you, Boychik

Mudzin 114 posts vs Theta 15 334 posts.

I think not. Huehue.
Piss off you mongrel!

So super typhoon squad on HB has been super succes. Me ciupita and kuriosuki ranking up dem kills
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 02-09-2013, 21:09:14
DON'T. DO. IT. The G-6 is such an unbelievable crapplane it makes me want to slit my wrists just thinking about flying it. Especially at its rank it's just insane. Any decent pilot will mop the floor with you, especially if they're in a Mk. IX or F8F (which is, given the current matchmaking situation, highly probable). Just save yourself the pain, mate.

Wo wo wooo wait a second.

Even though the flying charactaristics might be not that good, its firepower is unprecedented. You need to unlock the 30mm autocannons for secondary, which gives you a total of 3 fast firing 30mm with a relative high amount of ammo. 30mm kills almost everything in one hit, and with 3x40 shells it's almost a guarantee you'll hit shit everytime you aim for it. Having one cannon in the nose and 2 under the wings means it has a very nice spread which makes it even more easy to score hits.

You just have to stay out of dogfights, and either go after the bombers or circle around and catch some lost lone planes offguard. I kill a lot of stuff even at distances of 500-1000 meter just by firing some bursts with the 30mms. It's a hit and run sort of plane, and it's one of the best in its class. I don't know any other plane with simular rank that has better firepower.

If they had also given it the charactaristics of a good dogfighter it would be overpowered as fuck.

Interesting. In theory this sounds pretty cool, but my experience with that plane is that there will be always someone who will catch you and deal with you quickly. Sure, the firepower is swell, but in order to utilize that you need to get a target in your crosshair, which is just so freaking hard to do given what you're up against all the time.. Dunno, maybe with the better matchmaking..

anyhoo, D.520 seems to be the shit at rank 6, turns almost like a Chaika, I was like WTF IS DIS?! how well it turned when I dived on an E-3. It felt like I was playing arcade, sucker had no chance.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2013, 22:09:17
D520 is at disadvantage in armament but in everything else, its a beast
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 02-09-2013, 22:09:39
Interesting. In theory this sounds pretty cool, but my experience with that plane is that there will be always someone who will catch you and deal with you quickly. Sure, the firepower is swell, but in order to utilize that you need to get a target in your crosshair, which is just so freaking hard to do given what you're up against all the time.. Dunno, maybe with the better matchmaking..

Even though my German rank is higher, I use the G6 as top plane. I did a round with it just now (since I didn't play with it for a while); I stayed back, hunted bombers and (bomber)fighters that got seperated from the main dogfights in the middle.

Everything died with literally one single hit from my 30mm guns. And since I'm firing an entire wall of them, nothing that came across my crosshair survived the encounter longer than a few seconds.

It has 135 shells for the 3 30mm cannons, which is plenty of ammo to start firing bursts at big distances and still have enough left to spray a target if you happened to miss everything so far. If you have the reload skill maxed out like I do, they even reload in some mere 10 seconds.


I just love it, I'm the ''camper'' kind of guy who stays back and shoots down whatever escapes the chaos in the middle (because going there will always inevitably get you killed, however good you are) and it's just perfect for that job.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 02-09-2013, 22:09:12
Yeah I saw a D.520 in arcade doing some pretty crazy stuff. It was nuts.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 03-09-2013, 01:09:39
I just killed 7 pesky russians, one yak9T included, with my trusty bf109 f4 tropical. 43K in 15 minutes, no premium.

Thats all.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 03-09-2013, 01:09:22
Is there even a performance difference between the Bf109 F4 and the F4 Trop?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 03-09-2013, 02:09:47
I just killed 7 pesky russians, one yak9T included, with my trusty bf109 f4 tropical. 43K in 15 minutes, no premium.

Thats all.

I wish I got such high reward with my bf 109 for such high strikes...  ::)
Are you sure you didn't get any battle trophies?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 03-09-2013, 02:09:13
no battle trophys, altrough I think "on hand" and "bulletproof" gives you 1000 creds. each
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 03-09-2013, 14:09:55
Or "wingman" 5000...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 03-09-2013, 14:09:53
nop, just skill

EDIT: hehe, 3 kills with the p47, 2 jap bombers and a ki- something. 40K credits.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 03-09-2013, 15:09:28
yeah, I find the Jug to be extremely effective against them paper planes. the other day I killed like 5 zeroes and raked in a sweet ~80k reward afterward (with premium, without it it would only be like 55k :()
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 03-09-2013, 15:09:52
people say the jug had a broken DM, that it should be more resistent to fire. I dont know how realistic it is, but I like how it is right now. If they are gonna buff it, by all means do  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 03-09-2013, 18:09:20
Supporting my team to victory, 4 kills, 2 ships destroyed, 1 kill assist and all the medals that the game offered. Please note i only shot down 1 AI controlled aircraft. They kept outrunning me. Only human players where stupid enough to come in slow from up high from behind me.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/3499.jpg)
(http://imgup.com/data/images/3498.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 03-09-2013, 20:09:13
Love the H6K  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 03-09-2013, 20:09:12
you guys all use mouse aim ?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 03-09-2013, 20:09:21
Yes, i do mouse aim but with everything possible turned off and on manual. I wanted to do the more advanced mouse aim but i suck with that.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 03-09-2013, 20:09:09
(http://i41.tinypic.com/w1tf1s.jpg)

who said spitfires where OP?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 04-09-2013, 00:09:02
(http://imgup.com/data/images/3509.jpg)

z0mg fortress OP nurf nurf!!!

that was a beast round, four 109s unsuccessfully tried to take me down, all of them lost their wings/engine. that german rage in the chat, priceless
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 04-09-2013, 10:09:10
z0mg fortress OP nurf nurf!!!

To big bombers, rockets are always the answer.  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 04-09-2013, 12:09:21
luckily, I've never seen a German plane in HB with rockets ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 04-09-2013, 13:09:59
Wat, no Würfrahmen or whateverthefuck that is called?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-09-2013, 14:09:05
i believe FW190 have them, but most dont equip them becaouse they cause drag and make you climb slower
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 04-09-2013, 15:09:01
As an occasional bomber pilot, I highly approve of such decision :) (although one average G-10 pilot is often enough)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 04-09-2013, 16:09:15
i believe FW190 have them, but most dont equip them because they cause drag and make you climb slower the four additional 20mm guns are way better.
Fixed it for you. ;)

Edit: Two lousy rockets. Never ever killed an aircraft with them. Here and there the occasional medium tank, but that´s not worth it. Maybe you can somehow use them with the timer, but it´s not as good as the boom and zoom 6x20mm combo. Also the difference in speed between the rockets and 20mm guns isn´t that big.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 04-09-2013, 16:09:57
A question, Butcher. How fast do the B17s go down with the gunpods on the FW? I know I tried to take one down with the G2 and only inflicted minor damage before my pilot got knocked out by its defensive armament.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 04-09-2013, 17:09:06
A question, Butcher. How fast do the B17s go down with the gunpods on the FW? I know I tried to take one down with the G2 and only inflicted minor damage before my pilot got knocked out by its defensive armament.
Played historical battle yesterday on Bastogne and shot down 2 B17 (bots). On my first pass with full ammunition I shot down one B17 and damaged the other one. After that I had to fly back to the airfield to rearm. Later I shot down the second one with some bursts but it was heavily damaged and way behind the swarm. I propably could have aimed better (aimed for the motors from 400m) but they seemed very hard to take down.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 04-09-2013, 17:09:12
Depends, i often go for between the engines on a wing, that takes them down often but it takes time, no instant crash so i often only get assist points, or i aim for the elevator, once i see enough pieces break off there is little hope to land it safely. No point littering the hull with bullets from behind, it will get you killed in no time and has little effect. Also when you attack it is best to have at least 4 x 20mm.

On a rare occasion i spray the hull from the side, front to back, often you hit something important then.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-09-2013, 19:09:49
i killed 3 AI B17s with headon passes with my bf109 w/ 20 mm gunpods. usually just aim for the cabin, fire a short burt at .3 km and they are dead :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 06-09-2013, 18:09:24
Looks like a new event coming up, it seems like i will be playing a lot of USA the comming weeks.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 06-09-2013, 19:09:58
Ugh 2000 kills in 2 weeks? Dayumn.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 06-09-2013, 19:09:38
i only need 360 huh, and you have till 23th.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 06-09-2013, 20:09:31
Okay, 2k kills is a "bit" ambitious, though 1100 for USA are definitely obtainable (low tier trolling)
360 kills in historical battles eh? Almost makes me wanna seriously try HB.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 07-09-2013, 19:09:43
Tier 6 is my new favorite tier, the Spitfire Mk.II and the Beaufighter Mk.X are simply insane.
Kill after kill after kill after kill after kill after kill ....


Beaufighter even gets 8 rockets every 38 seconds lol, you can effectively use them as anti-air weapon whenever the iron cannons 20mm guns are recharging reloading.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 07-09-2013, 20:09:03
109 F is almost the same, I just go head on with one, two, three, four...kills!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 08-09-2013, 00:09:19
The queue for HB Brits was full so I thought why not troll some of the arcaders...... well, wasn't expecting this:

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4706/eymq.jpg)

So much lulz in that game, first I trolled them with the little Dewoitine and then they thought they could get my Beau going head on at me... nooblets everywhere ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 08-09-2013, 00:09:50
I see you didn't have a decent match in the enemy team, not a single Bf :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 08-09-2013, 01:09:11
Oh god, D.520 is simply insane in Arcade, just had a game with 15 kills to 0 deaths. It's awesome. Deals with anything because of its badass turnrate and unlike in HB where its wings snap off going a little over 600 kph, you can do mad dives in arcade no problem. I'm having the time of my life right now bringing misery upon anyone who dares to cross my path! :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-09-2013, 17:09:11
70 kills so far with the Yanks. I play primarly tier 3 with a friend, and we rank up those kills quickly
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 08-09-2013, 18:09:30
I just reinstalled this game, and I am having problems in dogfighting, I cannot even execute simple manuvers and get outgunned by every pilot I duel with, unless I am using the reserve planes. (Since they are slow and pilots come ahead of me) Does anyone have any tips about what I am supposed to do? I use mouse only.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-09-2013, 18:09:55
I just reinstalled this game, and I am having problems in dogfighting, I cannot even execute simple manuvers and get outgunned by every pilot I duel with, unless I am using the reserve planes. (Since they are slow and pilots come ahead of me) Does anyone have any tips about what I am supposed to do? I use mouse only.
Switch W and S to pitch up and down

Shift= throttle up
Alt= throttle down
3= target aquiring stuff
left Mouse= MG's
Right mouse= Cannons
Middle mouse= Zoom
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Kalkalash on 08-09-2013, 18:09:46
I just reinstalled this game, and I am having problems in dogfighting, I cannot even execute simple manuvers and get outgunned by every pilot I duel with, unless I am using the reserve planes. (Since they are slow and pilots come ahead of me) Does anyone have any tips about what I am supposed to do? I use mouse only.
When dogfighting, put on combat flaps and use the boost when turning, it should be enough to beat most people. If you're being chased, just fly as low as possible, zigzag and head towards the nearest friendlies and hope that they are smart enough to help you.

This is for arcade, of course.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 08-09-2013, 18:09:10
70 kills so far with the Yanks. I play primarly tier 3 with a friend, and we rank up those kills quickly
And here I though I was going slowly with my 120 kills :D. I found out tier 6 to be the best. Both Aircobras and Hellcat + P40 "the flying wardrobe" and A20 when I run out of good planes. Works great for me
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 08-09-2013, 18:09:02
I am curently playing in the p36c hawk, seems like an easy way to get my 360 kills, getting at least 1 kill a round so far, and the rounds dont last as long as the tier 12 i was playing before.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-09-2013, 19:09:33
Its a fine aircraft at tier 3. Not as heavy armament as the hurricane or Lagg. But it turns very well ands is sturdy

in both HB and AB
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 08-09-2013, 19:09:52
I seem to have narrowed down my problems to by control config, any tips for that?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-09-2013, 23:09:50
Tier 3 USA is fun. my Taivaan helmi has claimed 30 aircraft in 6 matches :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 08-09-2013, 23:09:14
There are no Brewster B-239's in War Thunder.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 11-09-2013, 15:09:02
http://warthunder.com/en/news/251/current/

Enlighten me please... what does the level mean there? Does that mean I get the aircraft only after the 6 levels and there are 6 different rewards, the aircraft only being the last one? Or am I supposed to make this amount of kills with aircraft having this level?


I 30 airkills and 10.000 Silver Lions

II 90 airkills and 20.000 Silver Lions
 
III 290 airkills and 30.000 Silver Lions

IV 490 airkills and 40.000 Silver Lions

V 750 airkills and 50.000 Silver Lions

VI 1100 airkills and 100.000 Silver Lions
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 11-09-2013, 16:09:35
I don't understand it either. What do they mean with level 6 ? level 6 aircraft or level 6 players ? I assume the latter, since otherwise everyone would play with level 1 aircraft ..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 11-09-2013, 16:09:15
If you would play the game you would notice that every singe reward has different levels in this game. Just like many medal in World of tanks do.  It's super simple, you get your first reward when you finish level 1, after 30 kills you get 10k lions. Once you reach 90 kills you get level 2, and another 20k lions. After you get 260 kills you become level 3, and get another 30k lions and so on, once you reach a total of 1100 kills you will have gathered the grand total of 250k lions and your aircraft of the nation you scored the kills in.

I am confused that you don't understand this.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 11-09-2013, 17:09:28
I was confused about the word "and". Looks like they want you to earn 10k lions and 30 kills in a certain aircraft. Also the word "level" could mean level of aircraft used, level of aircraft you would get, level of the reward you get etc. There was no further description either.

But thanks for clearing things up.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 11-09-2013, 17:09:22
War Thunder uses plane ranks, not levels (or tiers), I believe if they wanted to say you should use a certain level of plane, they would use the word "rank" instead. Anyhoo, had my first game in the giftphoon and man that thing is a destroyer, plus the reward bonus.. I honestly have no idea what to do with all the silver, I'm drowning in it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 11-09-2013, 18:09:40
It means that you have to use that nations planes, and you get to first level by getting 30 airkills, and you receive 10.000 Lions, you get to second level with 90 airkills and receive 20.000 Lions etc. until you get to last level, that is 1100 kills, 100.000 Lions and the giftplane.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-09-2013, 18:09:31
USA: Go tier 3 (Hawks, buffalo's and catalina)
UK: tier 3 (Hurricanes, Gladiators <3)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 11-09-2013, 18:09:02
USA: Go tier 3 (Hawks, buffalo's and catalina)
UK: tier 3 (Hurricanes, Gladiators <3)
Or you actually try to achieve those streaks with your highest level aircraft. 1100kills will give you a lot more on those higher levels than fiddling around on low tier. Tier 3 might give you the kills more easy, yet it is wasted time compared to what you get on the higher tier and even more so with 1100 kills.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 11-09-2013, 19:09:34
Well, the whole point is to get 1100 kills as quickly as possible. I'm flying tier 6 because i found it to be easiest (tier 3 really theta? USA gets only shitty fighters on that tier, apart from F2A-3)
of course if somebody wants to make some progress then using higher reward planes makes sense. But because I don't want to go higher than tier 9 anyway, I don't care
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 11-09-2013, 19:09:57
Maybe it works if you want to go for the premium aircraft only, but:

Tier 3, P36 hawk, reward 40%

Tier 6, 109E, reward: 70%

Tier 13, 109 G-6, reward: 130%

And this x1100. Will definitely make a huge difference. Now imagine you don´t manage to get the 1100 kills. You cut a big chunk of your XP and lions and didn´t get the plane either.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 11-09-2013, 20:09:35
Or you actually try to achieve those streaks with your highest level aircraft. 1100kills will give you a lot more on those higher levels than fiddling around on low tier. Tier 3 might give you the kills more easy, yet it is wasted time compared to what you get on the higher tier and even more so with 1100 kills.

Middle tiers probably the best, tier 6 UK (Beaufighter X, Spitfire II etc) for example easily make lots kills but also brings in quite a lot of money. (~20k profit per round on average)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-09-2013, 20:09:38
Maybe it works if you want to go for the premium aircraft only, but:

Tier 3, P36 hawk, reward 40%

Tier 6, 109E, reward: 70%

Tier 13, 109 G-6, reward: 130%

And this x1100. Will definitely make a huge difference. Now imagine you don´t manage to get the 1100 kills. You cut a big chunk of your XP and lions and didn´t get the plane either.
Well i am not at those high tier ranks :/  Im 9 with US, 7 with Ger, 10 with UK ...The only plane i want is the A-26 invader :/  and US planes SUCK at tier 9
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 12-09-2013, 01:09:21
Any thoughts on the HS 129? I still hope they will someday include the 75mm gun on it, but how does it perform? Is it well armored or not worth to buy? Obviously a ground attack aircraft, but I haven´t heard much good about it.

I would have to buy a lot of Stukas though to get there.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 12-09-2013, 01:09:39
Any thoughts on the HS 129? I still hope they will someday include the 75mm gun on it, but how does it perform? Is it well armored or not worth to buy? Obviously a ground attack aircraft, but I haven´t heard much good about it.

I would have to buy a lot of Stukas though to get there.
Slow, weak, doesn't turn, Me 410/R3 gets twice the MK 103 powa, is MUCH faster, more maneuverable, and it's 3 ranks lower. Until it gets 7.5cm BK, there's no reason to get it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 12-09-2013, 02:09:38
The Hs.129's nickname is the duck. If you've played WoT, you know the "duck" in that game sucks too.


Don't bother with it, needs a new fm and is basically garbage
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 12-09-2013, 03:09:42
Your avatar is giving me apylepsia.

That D520 or whatever is a real little troll machine, some SoaB just BnZ'd me while I was flying a 109F, tore my wing off like it was a piece of clay.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-09-2013, 17:09:32
D 520 is epic

HS 129 is just not worth the effort
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 12-09-2013, 18:09:39
Why is the first beaufighter so shit. I mean, it gets broken by any stray bullet. I pimped up my hurricane with bombs and it is far more effective in assaulting fortifications. I play arcade BTW.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 12-09-2013, 18:09:35
The first beafighter is epic, you must be using it wrong.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 12-09-2013, 19:09:57
Why is the first beaufighter so shit.
beaufighter so shit.
beaufighter so shit.
beaufighter so shit.
Wha..?
That's like one of the best planes in the game, and in my opinion THE best rank 5 plane in the game.
You have to be using it incorrectly or something.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 12-09-2013, 19:09:14
I hate kingcobras. I really do.

But the thing I hate more than just the Kingcobra, it's a fucking swarm of kingcobras.

3 on my tail, just this round. all the fucking time.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 12-09-2013, 20:09:31
I hate kingcobras. I really do.

But the thing I hate more than just the Kingcobra, it's a fucking swarm of kingcobras.

3 on my tail, just this round. all the fucking time.

Yak-9T and Yak-9K.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-09-2013, 22:09:10
Kingcobra is nothing compared to Stalinwood Yak's. Well in AB that is
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 12-09-2013, 22:09:22
in any case, they're grouped and annoying as fuck.

head on, I wipe the floor with them, but they move in packs and a BF109 can only turn so fast...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 13-09-2013, 04:09:58
Update: Now I hate Spitfires too.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 13-09-2013, 08:09:25
spitfires, beaufighters and YAK-9 are the 3 most OP aircraft ingame IMHO. it looks like everyone is flying one ...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 13-09-2013, 10:09:00
I'm flying on tier 8 with Brits - 3 Spitfires, TYphoon and Beaufighter VI - eqals ~ 10 kills each round!  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 13-09-2013, 11:09:00
 beaufighters dont have a correct flight modell ingame yet. they will be fixed at some point. Not in arcade trough, nobody carea about arcade.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 13-09-2013, 11:09:28
Ok, so I managed to use beaufighters as a support vehicle for dogfights, and killing heavy bombers. Now my Hurricane has rockets, and I simply love the beast. I actually use it to swoop down on bombers and faust them, however, it's accuracy leaves much to be desired. Any tips on how I will be able to bring hellphyrr on tanks and bombers?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 13-09-2013, 14:09:50
spitfires, beaufighters and YAK-9 are the 3 most OP aircraft ingame IMHO. it looks like everyone is flying one ...

Spitfire Mk. IX is the most OP plane in the game as it has no other weakness than it's roll rate, but even that one is still moderate and serves the job. It outclimbs everything, it turns better than anything and it is much faster than anything. Next plane on the list might be the Chaika. This plane is so ridiciolous nonesense in this game, it is a complete joke.

The problem is that the Spity Mk. IX is a tier 10 plane and yanks get it as a premium plane on level 5. I see only freaking premium Spitfires since the last big patch and that's the thing that will keep me away from this game. Because that's the step when they turn the whole game into pay-to-win. This plane is literaly spoken a one-man-army.

You can deal with Beaufighters and Yaks fairly easy btw, atleast in HB. People who judge planes after their performance in AB have no clue what they are talking about tbh. This game mode has no proper physics implemented and you can do anything with a plane, no matter whether it is physical correct or not. You will never have to think about your ammunition, landing speed, when your wings will get ripped off or the strength or weakness of your plane in general. The only thing that matters is the size of the gun. In HB the yak 9t is quite a challenge to fly as you only have 30 rounds of cannon shots that you have to use very careful and the flying abilities are not that good either, atleast not compared to the other planes on that level ... we are talking about Bf109's and Spitfire Mk IX.

Yaks have crappy climb rates aswell as the Beaufighter. If you consider those planes as OP then I don't know. Alt-advantage is all that matters in this game, as you can transfere it into speed. Heavy fighters are planes that require alot of team work as you can't climb into nowhere, otherwise you are pretty fucked when the fighters dive down on your tail. Beaufighters have still good turn rates, but that's a different problem as mentioned before.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 13-09-2013, 14:09:00
Actually the US Spit is sitting at rank 11. Anyhoo, today I give you.. the shortest round of Berlin EVER.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/3889.jpg)

That's what happens when you put armada of B-17s, Tu-2s and Lancaster(s) into one game. GG, mm.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 13-09-2013, 14:09:18
People who judge planes after their performance in AB have no clue what they are talking about tbh.
Er whut? If someone plays Arcade obviously he's going to judge plane performance in AB. Even if planes do not fly "realistically", doesn't mean there are no better/weaker ones.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 13-09-2013, 14:09:41
Closkey, what's the second medal for?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 13-09-2013, 14:09:13
Any tips on how I will be able to bring hellphyrr on tanks and bombers?

For the Hurricane it's quite simple, the rockets activate left-right-repeat. The only profitable way to attack ground targets is to fly low, and at a ramming course with said target. You put the wing the rocket will be launched from facing the target, and some 50-100 meters before you fire the rocket and pull up. Think of it as a Japanese way of delivering the rocket as if you wouldn't be able to launch it from the plane.
Within this distance accuracy will be high, aiming will be easy and you can conserve ammunition.

Best to practise with are the bunker emplacements, they're static and fairly big compared to tanks.

Closkey, what's the second medal for?

Premium account bonus.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 13-09-2013, 17:09:27
Too lazy to quote shitmaker but the trick to getting away from Chaika's is to dive.

 Past 500km/h a chaika literally cannot turn unless they kill their engine and lose enough airspeed before they hit the ground. Good way to get away from the chainsaws
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 13-09-2013, 21:09:35
People who judge planes after their performance in AB have no clue what they are talking about tbh.
Er whut? If someone plays Arcade obviously he's going to judge plane performance in AB. Even if planes do not fly "realistically", doesn't mean there are no better/weaker ones.

Ofcourse planes have some "physics" in AB, otherwise you couldn't fly them. But if you really want to know what your plane is worth of, you will have to fly it in HB. There is just too much stuff that doesn't matter in AB. I started playing this game in AB too - as most other people propably, but HB or even RB are the ways to go, if you look for far better dogfights. You will have to play according to each strenght and weakness of your plane, something that doesn't really matter in AB too - except the bigger gun as mentioned.
I didn't say that those guys are worse pilots or what ever. I just said that it is more reliable to fly a round HB to judge your plane before you try to glorify each plane. I mean such comments like: "Why is Beaufighter so shit?" ... I just don't know.

@Hi: It doesn't matter that you can make this move. This plane is a ufo and completely imbalanced compared to the other low tier planes of the other countries.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 13-09-2013, 22:09:30
Tried HB, found it fucking boring to chase after one plane for five minutes only to run out of ammo after finally killing him. Didn't even make it halfway back to the airfield before the match ended. Match after that it took me 5 effing minutes to get my Beaufighter from the airfield to a proper altitude and anywhere near the actual battlefield.


Nope, I enjoy the chaos and speed of AB much more.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 13-09-2013, 23:09:56
Tried HB, found it fucking boring to chase after one plane for five minutes only to run out of ammo after finally killing him.

You're doing it wrong then, man. Most armament (.50s - on pretty much any US ac or cannons - any other nation) can deal with an enemy plane in a short burst or two, the trick is to hit properly and not to spray like a mad man (AB habit I guess). Ofc in order to have the highest chance of hitting where you want to is to get as close as possible and then open fire (think E. Hartmann) - I actually had my convergence set at 400-500 m in my HB beginnings and my performance was mediocre at best, but then I read something about that nasty fella and started setting my convergence closer and closer.. while my kills per sortie were gradually increasing. I stopped at 200 m, but went to 150 m last night when trying to get the G-6 to work and it sure helped, dealing with its low velocity cannon (there's obviously no need for convergence for a nose cannon, but if you enable vertical targeting...). Oh and the farther you're shooting the damage output is also dropping accordingly (afaik).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 14-09-2013, 00:09:44
Question: What's a worthy replacement for my Me410 A1/B something, the first 4x20 MG 151 version.

Anyway, I could even buy the B3 or whatever its name is, the 2x30mm one, but that thing is slow, slow, and only good for hunting big bombers, if it can catch them. B25s running away like crabs from an octopus.

So, should I buy the He111 - H16 or just wait and replace it with the FW190 in a few days? Or put back the Stuka G2 in action? I really don't like the fact it can't turn or even position itself for attack, unlike the Ju87 which turns faster but is generally weak and slow.

Maybe some bombing runs, but the He111s get knocked out as if they are of paper, I know, I shoot them down like nothing. B25s on the other hand are hard nuts.

Or should I get something italian, a fighter preferably, the bombers suck, I shot them down too.

I want to fill that slot with something remotely useful and I don't want to use the old He112 B, I hardly tolerate Bf109 E3s ammo output as it is.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 14-09-2013, 00:09:04
112B is awesome knackie, I don't know what you are on  :P

I can't get into the 410s personally. I've got one and they are like retarded ducks in the sky.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 14-09-2013, 01:09:19
Ya, it's small and kind of fast, but has little ammo and doesn't really pack a punch.

I take that back, I just shot down a B25 with it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 14-09-2013, 02:09:12
Tried HB, found it fucking boring to chase after one plane for five minutes only to run out of ammo after finally killing him. Didn't even make it halfway back to the airfield before the match ended. Match after that it took me 5 effing minutes to get my Beaufighter from the airfield to a proper altitude and anywhere near the actual battlefield.


Nope, I enjoy the chaos and speed of AB much more.

Means you just suck at it, no offense. I know it's not for everyone.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 14-09-2013, 09:09:39
I kinda hate the HB "elite" with there elitism. Reminds of the PR assholes constantly dissing us FH2's.

I did a good set of HB battles and i find them fun but i will never do HB alone. I have had good time doing a typhoon squad with Kuroisuki and Ciupita. But doing that alone? nah
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 14-09-2013, 11:09:06
I kinda hate the HB "elite" with there elitism. Reminds of the PR assholes constantly dissing us FH2's.

I did a good set of HB battles and i find them fun but i will never do HB alone. I have had good time doing a typhoon squad with Kuroisuki and Ciupita. But doing that alone? nah
Hah! You should see WT forums "HB battlers are realism you arcade noob casual". It's kinda silly really.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 14-09-2013, 11:09:01
Hah! You should see WT forums "HB battlers are realism you arcade noob casual". It's kinda silly really.

Yeah they aren't exactly "realism" but it's a fact that it takes more "skill" (not necessary skill, just knowledge of how stuff works) to win in HB. In arcade, on the contrary, if you have a plane with decent guns and half a brain, you can still shoot down stuff, even with your eyes closed...

And Theta, say what you want but PR is a lot more teamwork-oriented than FH2, that's a fact. Going alone in PR is a sure way to get yourself killed, especially if you have no clue where the enemy is (and because the maps are so ridiculously massive, you almost never have any clue where the enemy is, until you actually spot him)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 14-09-2013, 12:09:18
And what? that makes one "better" then another? I play how i damn well want to. I do not hiss HB people, but HB people damn well do the opposite towards AB players.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 14-09-2013, 12:09:56
Hah! You should see WT forums "HB battlers are realism you arcade noob casual". It's kinda silly really.
Yeah they aren't exactly "realism" but it's a fact that it takes more "skill" (not necessary skill, just knowledge of how stuff works) to win in HB. In arcade, on the contrary, if you have a plane with decent guns and half a brain, you can still shoot down stuff, even with your eyes closed...
I know it does, but its the "Oh I'm so much better than you" attitude that you can see from HB players that I find really silly.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 14-09-2013, 14:09:07
Means you just suck at it, no offense. I know it's not for everyone.

I meant it as a general consensus, I don't have that every round (duh). Comparing HB to AB is like comparing PR to FH2. It has NOTHING to do with skill at all, everyone can pull the trigger. The only difference is that they require different kinds of approach and not everyone likes those. While I love playing PR as realistically as possible, I don't like WT's historical battles because I simply find it boring pretending I'm a real pilot.

I have 60-80% win ratio on my Spitfires/Beaufighters (K/D ratio of 3 or higher) in AB, because of the way I play it. If I could be bothered to play HB like it's meant to I could have the same, but I just don't give a shit about taking off at an airfield and having to climb for the next five minutes. I play WT because I want some action, so for me HB is fucking boring and AB is fun. Skill isn't part of the equation.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 14-09-2013, 15:09:18
I think that many people exagerate the elitism thing too much, good point on that. But as McCoskey said - it takes some skill and yes, HB takes more skill than AB. Now people might bring a shitstorm on me, but I played both gamemodes alot and have a comparison.
In HB you have much more tactical possibilities that you have to take into account. In AB I see where the enemy is spawning, endless ammunition, no physical limits. And this alone takes alot of the game. It doesn't have anything to do with skill to fly over the enemy bomber spawn and rape them with a ufo where you can point your nose into any direction you like. The distances are just too short aswell.

I play AB from time to time too and I played it alot when I started playing WT, but it is a far bigger step to get used to HB. It is easy to say, that you would have the same K/D or whatever in HB as in AB. Then I will tell you that it takes alot more than just saying it. A lone Beaufighter is easy food for the BF 109 and you will require aleast one squadmate to get the maximum out of it. But yeah, you seem to know it better.

Have fun with whatever you like, but it is mabye not that bad to listen to people who saw both sides of the medal. And Sanders story proves even more what I am talking about. Have a nice day ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 14-09-2013, 19:09:28
My story proves nothing, I'm saying that skill is not really a factor in either game mode but that the true difference is what tactics you use and how much you bother with them. I play WT mostly just for some quick rounds in between stuff, so I want action instead of realism. Anyone can learn approach and evasion tactics (sure, some to more effect than others), it's just a matter of how much time and effort someone is willing to spend learning and perfecting those. I for one don't have the patience in this game.

You pretend AB is just like clicking a mouse button but it too requires special tactics and manouvring, just ones of a different manner. You can still abuse physics to some extend (slowing down while being chased) and the only way to survive the clusterfuck is to fly around constantly watching your surroundings and avoiding tunnel vision while attacking.

Personally I could easily get good at HB if I wanted to, but I just find the realism too boring. I willingly choose action, and it doesn't make me a lesser player than HB people pretending to be elitsts.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 14-09-2013, 19:09:40
Impressions of the FW190A5? Getting it soon, want to know if worthy.

Also, how do those 4 extra doom cannons affect its perfomance? I can't imagine them being necessary all the time...perhaps for the bomber-killing Bulge mission.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 14-09-2013, 20:09:46
I can't get into the 410s personally. I've got one and they are like retarded ducks in the sky.
Say that to the 6 kg a second of lead and explosives ripping your plane apart  ;D
8.1 kg on the last version.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 14-09-2013, 20:09:48
My story proves nothing, I'm saying that skill is not really a factor in either game mode but that the true difference is what tactics you use and how much you bother with them. I play WT mostly just for some quick rounds in between stuff, so I want action instead of realism. Anyone can learn approach and evasion tactics (sure, some to more effect than others), it's just a matter of how much time and effort someone is willing to spend learning and perfecting those. I for one don't have the patience in this game.

You pretend AB is just like clicking a mouse button but it too requires special tactics and manouvring, just ones of a different manner. You can still abuse physics to some extend (slowing down while being chased) and the only way to survive the clusterfuck is to fly around constantly watching your surroundings and avoiding tunnel vision while attacking.

Personally I could easily get good at HB if I wanted to, but I just find the realism too boring. I willingly choose action, and it doesn't make me a lesser player than HB people pretending to be elitsts.

So playing the game doesn't require any skill at all, if you want to be good? Isn't using proper tactics and situational awareness a skill too? That you failed in your two mentioned situations shows, that you fail to use the abilities of your planes, nothing else. And McCloskey explained you what you did wrong. What you like has nothing to do with, what is harder to master. And yes, compared to HB are the AB simply chaos, a big pile up of crashers and just spray'n'pray. This is the thing that I was talking about. What you prefere as a player is something totaly different.

You like it fast and easy (quick games), I like it more tactical and "slow" (longer games). But this doesn't change anything about the difficulty of the gamemode. A FRB player might be laughing his ass off about HB players and I can understand that. It requires alot more skill to master this gamemode with a joystick, very limited cockpit view and all the other stuff. I hope the problem  - if there is anything - is a bit more clear now. It has nothing to do with elitism or what else. It is just as it is - different gamemodes -> different difficulty. Or why do you think that so many new HB players rip off their wings on the first flight or even crash while taking off for the first time?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 14-09-2013, 20:09:50
I can't get into the 410s personally. I've got one and they are like retarded ducks in the sky.
Say that to the 6 kg a second of lead and explosives ripping your plane apart  ;D
8.1 kg on the last version.

The dual 20 and 30mm are pure rape
things turn into fire balls when they attack me head on, even at ranger of like 800meter, also it has lots of ammo somehow.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 14-09-2013, 21:09:30
So playing the game doesn't require any skill at all, if you want to be good? Isn't using proper tactics and situational awareness a skill too? That you failed in your two mentioned situations shows, that you fail to use the abilities of your planes, nothing else. And McCloskey explained you what you did wrong. What you like has nothing to do with, what is harder to master. And yes, compared to HB are the AB simply chaos, a big pile up of crashers and just spray'n'pray. This is the thing that I was talking about. What you prefere as a player is something totaly different.

You seem to miss my point although I must admit I didn't make it that clear before: I mean that one player will be rougly as good in one gamemode as he will be in the other. The difference between the two modes and which one is chosen is based on the mentality of said player. I myself have a good sense of overwatch, don't panic easily and am pretty thoughtfull when it comes to dogfighting. All this means is that I get 80% win ratio in AB, and perhaps 70% in HB because it's a bit less opportunistic. Doesn't mean that one mode totally rocks and is incredibly hard while the other is childplay.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 14-09-2013, 22:09:36
@Sander:

Thatwhy you spend all your ammunition on one target without killing it ... what you tell and what you claim is only your imagination, nothing else. How I said, claiming something is something different than achieving it. You just sound like one of those self overestimating guys. That people are roughly as good in one gamemode as in another is total nonesense as those gamemodes work totaly different. I will not explain why, as you seem to know it better. If I join FRB one day I will suck. That's fact. Your logic is only working in one direction. A good FRB player will be good in HB and so he will be in AB. But not the other way ... hands down.

I am not a good WT player btw - I suck to be more clear, but I play quite often with good players. I play this game since it became open beta. And no, newcomers who join HB for the first time usually suck. I will not ask you, how much time you spend in HB to tell me, wich gamemode is harder.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 15-09-2013, 02:09:05
Here we go, I'm drunk, in my underpants, ready to go to bed and in a -snip- queue for four minutes just to join the battle.

Third shit HB match I ever played.

(http://s23.postimg.org/dnmc0fam3/shot_2013_09_15_02_15_24.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/9ehly97cn/full/)

Hope I prove my -snip- point now.


PS it was -snip- boring.
Flew towards their formation for 5 minutes, spent 3 minutes blowing stuff up, spent another 5 minutes flying back to formation only to have the round ended because team had lost all aircraft. Yeah this is great bro. Super leet skills required and shit.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 15-09-2013, 02:09:01
I also prefer AB, just got 100k battle trophies! :D

And still I simply hate this "1st bullet kills pilot" lucky shot... I wish pilots were immortal...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 15-09-2013, 02:09:27
Sander, wich point have you proven? That you like AB more? I have no problem with that, and it is your right to do so. That you can shoot down three planes in one HB game, with three bots and without any clan squads? Well done dude, maybe you have talent.

The result of my first round HB looked quite similar btw, but it doesn't change the fact that FRB is more difficult than HB and AB. I spend alot of time with the game, so one table proves nothing as I looked on alot of different result tables. I will let it up to your imagination, what is more difficult and what not.

Over and out  ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 15-09-2013, 02:09:40
The amount of e-penises in this thread is too damn high!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 15-09-2013, 05:09:15
The amount of e-penises in this thread is too damn high!
definitely over 9000.

What do you guys think of the Do-217. I think it's complete shit. But when I play against it, it is immortal, can out turn any fighter plane and turn and then pursue and destroy my fighter after I've had a dive and going 500++
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-09-2013, 09:09:08
Wich model do you mean? The heavy fighter or the bomber model?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 15-09-2013, 09:09:31
Saving up for my first jet. The HE 162
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 15-09-2013, 19:09:15
Wich model do you mean? The heavy fighter or the bomber model?
Heavy fighter.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-09-2013, 19:09:24
Its a fine heavy fighter IMO. It has its set of advantages over the beaufighter. Also much better defensive armament
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 15-09-2013, 19:09:38
Just Curious, witch one of you guys is Sex-bomb?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Kalkalash on 15-09-2013, 19:09:36
Just Curious, witch one of you guys is Sex-bomb?
[QPS]Sex_Bomb most likely.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 15-09-2013, 19:09:35
Bing bing bing on that one, havn't seen him lately though.


Saving up for my first jet. The HE 162

Congrats dude, I'm hoping to pick that one up soon. 8 more levels to go!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 16-09-2013, 04:09:41
It was extremely hard to reach 17. I need another level for the komet, its one of the planes that I want.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 16-09-2013, 09:09:03
Just Curious, witch one of you guys is Sex-bomb?
[QPS]Sex_Bomb most likely.

So it is you?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Kalkalash on 16-09-2013, 15:09:30
Just Curious, witch one of you guys is Sex-bomb?
[QPS]Sex_Bomb most likely.

So it is you?
No, it is [QBS]_Sex_Bomb:
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?action=profile;u=641
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 16-09-2013, 16:09:34
Just Curious, witch one of you guys is Sex-bomb?
[QPS]Sex_Bomb most likely.

So it is you?
No, it is [QBS]_Sex_Bomb:
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?action=profile;u=641

Aah, thanks, stupid me.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-09-2013, 23:09:33
so

somebody said to me that i should turn vertical targeting OFF


my kills have nearly tripled....
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 17-09-2013, 23:09:59
really? hmm
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-09-2013, 23:09:06
Its mostly affected towards wing mounted MG's. at 300 convergeance and range, all my .50CAL rounds really strike at the same target. With vertical targeting on, they would overshoot or hit anything above.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-09-2013, 00:09:00
The vertical targeting made my strafing a lot better, set it at 800m and super easy strafing.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 18-09-2013, 13:09:56
What mean vertical targeting?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-09-2013, 14:09:45
It makes your bullets hit on your aim point at the selected distance, then at that distance you don't have to bother with ballistics. It is the same distance and your convergence in this game. So if you set it at 300 meters you know exactly where your bullets hit, if you turn it off your bullets impact below your cross hair due to ballistics.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-09-2013, 16:09:43
It makes your bullets hit on your aim point at the selected distance, then at that distance you don't have to bother with ballistics. It is the same distance and your convergence in this game. So if you set it at 300 meters you know exactly where your bullets hit, if you turn it off your bullets impact below your cross hair due to ballistics.
Actually that is not completly true

(http://wiki.warthunder.com/images/1/18/Wiki-NoConvergence.jpg)

The bullets will fly straight ahead for like 400 meters and then will drop. If you are a short range brawling dogfighter then you might wanna consider turning it off. And if you are good with ballistics, long range is no problem

If you are more for long range fighting at a fixed range (lets say 700) then by all means, leave vertical targeting ON

(http://wiki.warthunder.com/images/9/93/Wiki-ConvergenceOver.jpg)

This is with vertical targeting ON
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 18-09-2013, 23:09:49
ah thanks :)


and of course the plane being shot at is a german plane...allied bias!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-09-2013, 23:09:32
Really? looks like a p51 shooting a fw190.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 18-09-2013, 23:09:00
...that's what I said?   :-X
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-09-2013, 23:09:12
....

I will just go sleep now, k thx bye...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 19-09-2013, 14:09:35
So, i bough the B17 bomber, the second late version, since they where 20% off and i had a million to spare. Did not fly it yet since i dont have the money to buy a crew yet, what do you guys think of it? any good?

Also, i had honestly no idea that that bomber had an upwards shooting MG untill i saw the model...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 19-09-2013, 15:09:07
Never liked bombers, they don't really fit into the game IMO. B-17s have impressive defensive armament but facing only one (instead of a formation, like IRL) it's pretty easy to get close for those few seconds it takes to zero in and fire an air-to-ground rocket. Their size makes them incredibly easy to hit and a single rocket (even from a tier 3 Hurricane for that sake) will kill it.

I'm sticking with fighters and ground attack aircraft. :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 19-09-2013, 15:09:36
I agree with you, but i like bombers, simple.

I love flying my He 111 H-16 and Do-217E-4.

People don't expect those 20mm shooting armour piercing shells, and my level 70 gunners do a really good job even without my help. Also the 20mm forward shooting gun is great in taking out those AI fighters, or even you player controlled fighter trying to get back to base, i love diving on those..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-09-2013, 20:09:39
Do 217E-4 is probaly the best bomber in WT.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 20-09-2013, 01:09:56
I'm waiting for a patch to drop that has static targets like factories etc. IIRC they have been in dev for awhile
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 20-09-2013, 09:09:44
its supose to be in 1.35
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: [QPS]_Sex_Bomb on 20-09-2013, 17:09:36
Just Curious, witch one of you guys is Sex-bomb?
[QPS]Sex_Bomb most likely.

So it is you?

Yea it's me.

Quite new to the game.  Never been a pilot in FH2 but really enjoyed WT experience so far.  I mostly play in AB mode with a force feedback joystick + rudder pedals.   That can explains why my ingame stats are very far from good.  Anyway, i'm learning quite fast (almost reached a kill/death ratio of 1 per round).  Imho, controlling the plane with a joystick is way more satisfying/immersive than with mouse.  It just needs   little more flight physics understanding and six sense.    See you in the sky.   ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 20-09-2013, 19:09:29
if you play with JS, play HB or FRB , you will get destroyed in AB
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 20-09-2013, 19:09:51
I envy you, if I had a joystick I'd be playing FRBs full time.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 20-09-2013, 20:09:25
I envy you, if I had a joystick I'd be playing FRBs full time.

I doubt it, FRB people usually have a million other things to help them fly such as TrackIR, rudder pedals, big-ass screens... Joystick can work in AB too, just fly Russian reserves, and learn deflection shooting...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 23-09-2013, 00:09:08
Has anyone flown F8F-1B? Good speed, rate of climb, armament, might just work towards it starting tomorrow. I just looked at the bombs/rockets in can carry, which looks good. Before trying to go for it though I'm going to see how good it is with all mods installed compared to other planes I have in mind with their mods installed.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 23-09-2013, 09:09:41
The bearcat is broken as shit. it Retains WAY too much energy
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Gezoes on 23-09-2013, 17:09:26
Don't fly bombers at 6000m all the time. Problem solved. The games don't last long enough to make an impact.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-10-2013, 15:10:04
http://www.twitch.tv/warthunder


LIVE GAMEPLAY OF TANKS


WORLD OF TANKS IS FUCKED BIG TIME
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 04-10-2013, 16:10:24
This game became interesting all of a sudden.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-10-2013, 16:10:24
great graphics and physics. Way more realistic damage (Penetration is often dead)


Only the artillery is what worries me
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Thorondor123 on 04-10-2013, 16:10:54
http://www.twitch.tv/warthunder


LIVE GAMEPLAY OF TANKS


WORLD OF TANKS IS FUCKED BIG TIME
Except that they are making 500 times more money than War Thunder. :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-10-2013, 16:10:51
any one else saw the flipping stug? xD
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 04-10-2013, 16:10:20
Any chance of watching a replay of this ?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 04-10-2013, 16:10:18
Yes, where's replay button  :-[
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 04-10-2013, 17:10:07
Dunno if this was it, but this is what I found on YT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foTmS4omfoE&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-10-2013, 17:10:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6K0szjm3RI&feature=player_embedded#t=6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foTmS4omfoE&feature=youtu.be


enjoy
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 04-10-2013, 18:10:09
When later your grandchildren will ask when was the downfall of world of tanks, you can say it started here.

This looks incredible. If the gameplay is as good as these graphics/physics, WoT doesn't stand a chance.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 04-10-2013, 18:10:48
I sepose a game that is 3 years younger ought to look better, no? No real reason to wet your trousers on methinks.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 04-10-2013, 18:10:52
Looks good, looks daaamn gooood. HB/FRB (if there are going to be) + interior view only, and this actually might be brilliant.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 04-10-2013, 18:10:27
I sepose a game that is 3 years younger ought to look better, no? No real reason to wet your trousers on methinks.

Yes, but WoT's graphics are pathetic. Even Battlefield 3 has better tank physics while in that game tank combat is only sub-sub-gameplay. I think the only reason WoT really prospered was because they held a monopoly on the genre, but not anymore. In essence the game is shit, but it's the only game of its kind right now. If War Thunder really delivers, WoT could be in real trouble.

Asshole devs, bad map design, an arcadish battle system, the ''play 9 shit games to have one good one'', and no real changes to broken mechanics over the past years aren't exactly the pilars of a loyal community. Soon as word gets out that WT offers the same but (much) better, I think many people will switch over. At least I will.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-10-2013, 19:10:02
Or a health system. Its not existing in War thunder and this can be pretty important aswel. More realism (well compared to WOT)

my only worry is the artillery..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 04-10-2013, 19:10:41
stuff
^this!
Let's be honest, the only reason to play WOT is because its the only worthwhile online "tank-game". 3 years since closed beta and it hasn't changed that much...

my only worry is the artillery..
From what I've read, its supposed to be AI controlled (I might have outdated info though) so Tanks only for the players,
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 04-10-2013, 20:10:08
my only worry is the artillery..
From what I've read, its supposed to be AI controlled (I might have outdated info though) so Tanks only for the players,
On those videos he has some kind of god artillery he just instantly calls in when situation requires it. I'd almost rather had player controlled arty than every players calling their own barrages.

Hard to judge though, I don't speak russian and game still seems to be in pretty early stage.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 04-10-2013, 22:10:18
Can somewone please tell me someting?

Will we have "mixed online battles"? like, instead of having AI controled ground forces (and ships, wen they release the navy) will we figth with real online ground and navy units?

And will the fixed artilhery, as well as transport ships and suply trucks (ect...) be avaliable to play?

Also, is there going to be those giant maps for tanks? because in that case, their speed needs to be increased somehow...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 05-10-2013, 14:10:54
back live footage atm http://www.twitch.tv/warthunder
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 05-10-2013, 16:10:00
Can somewone please tell me someting?

Will we have "mixed online battles"? like, instead of having AI controled ground forces (and ships, wen they release the navy) will we figth with real online ground and navy units?

And will the fixed artilhery, as well as transport ships and suply trucks (ect...) be avaliable to play?

Also, is there going to be those giant maps for tanks? because in that case, their speed needs to be increased somehow...

I think there will be a gamemodes that combines all forces, so Navy, Airforce and Groundforces. The stuff allready works on the maps so I see no reason why it shouldn't work when the groundforces are player controlled. Tanks are allready fighting against each other, though controlled by the AI. You could have tank fights with quite accurate distances and use your vehicles according to what is needed. You could use your squads quite effective, so two people take the tanker role, one guy plays AA and the another guy gives airsupport.

In the vehicle selection you see tanks and planes mixed. After all I imagine it to be like Battlefield but with a bit bigger scale. The only thing that worries me is the player count. I think it is 32 players atm and you would need to double that atleast to get effective fighting going.

There is a gamemode planed called "World War". Idk whether this is the one that will combine all three forces.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 05-10-2013, 17:10:23
There is a gamemode planed called "World War". Idk whether this is the one that will combine all three forces.

The original plan was to introduce three different modes (air, army, navy) fighting seperately and once all those were done there would be a fourth gamemode ''World War'' in which everything would be combined, but this would still take a loong time to completely develop so there would have been plenty of time to develop design and gameplay decisions regarding this grand mode, because for example in the current state planes are very overpowered when fighting ground vehicles.

Based on the new tank footage we're seeing I'm not sure if they're still sticking to these original plans, because you could see a mixed vehicle selection of both planes and tanks. Might just be because it's still at an early stage, I don't know.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 05-10-2013, 20:10:52
that long developement time sounds to be distant as like when we asked about the pacific front in FH2 4-5 years ago :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 05-10-2013, 21:10:02
I hope WT kicks WoT ass so that the latter would be clean of useless players.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 06-10-2013, 03:10:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKo1aGsuPmk&proxmate=us

Just checked it in this video, at about 13 minutes you see combined combat between tanks and airplanes, both player controlled. Good times are coming.  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 06-10-2013, 07:10:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKo1aGsuPmk&proxmate=us

Just checked it in this video, at about 13 minutes you see combined combat between tanks and airplanes, both player controlled. Good times are coming.  ;D
Little late? Considering that's the video we have been talking about past page  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 06-10-2013, 12:10:27
I hope WT kicks WoT ass so that the latter would be clean of useless players.
Yeah, I stopped playing WoT a while ago. This had nothing to do with actual tanks but some wacky prototypes of which 1 or 2 exemplars were made or even crazy stuff of which only some drawings existed became standard tanks in this game. The thing that just did it for me was the introduction of the Leopard I (built from: 1965) in this crazy game.

War Thunder is a huge step from this, as they didn´t fill in as many crazy prototypes. Some are there, like the Japanese jet, but these are exceptions - not the rule.

War Thunder developers somewhere else stated that they prefer a more realistic approach, as historical battles shows. I just hope that Panthers don´t get matched versus some post war tanks again like they do with the 262 right now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 06-10-2013, 14:10:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKo1aGsuPmk&proxmate=us

Just checked it in this video, at about 13 minutes you see combined combat between tanks and airplanes, both player controlled. Good times are coming.  ;D
Little late? Considering that's the video we have been talking about past page  ;D

Common, was 2.30 a.m and I was a bit tired.  ;D

And Damaso was asking for it and nobody gave a clear answer.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 06-10-2013, 16:10:57
I hope WT kicks WoT ass so that the latter would be clean of useless players.
Yeah, I stopped playing WoT a while ago. This had nothing to do with actual tanks but some wacky prototypes of which 1 or 2 exemplars were made or even crazy stuff of which only some drawings existed became standard tanks in this game. The thing that just did it for me was the introduction of the Leopard I (built from: 1965) in this crazy game.

War Thunder is a huge step from this, as they didn´t fill in as many crazy prototypes. Some are there, like the Japanese jet, but these are exceptions - not the rule.

War Thunder developers somewhere else stated that they prefer a more realistic approach, as historical battles shows. I just hope that Panthers don´t get matched versus some post war tanks again like they do with the 262 right now.

dont worrie, WT will add a few prototypes to the german tree to make it more competitive againts '50s planes like the saber and mig 15. Talking about the me262HGIII or Focke-Wulf Ta 183 :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 06-10-2013, 17:10:35
Not sure whether you are serious or sarcastic ;). I´m not worried about Germans being too weak, I´m worried about exactly this inclusion of wacky stuff. Counter stuff that doesn´t belong into the game with more stuff that doesn´t belong into the game and then this happens:

(http://www.7stern.info/Bilder_UFO/Hanebu_III.jpg)

That´s what killed WoT for me. ^^
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 06-10-2013, 18:10:29
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.warthunder.com%2Findex.php%3F%2Ftopic%2F69076-wywiad-z-tw%25C3%25B3rc%25C4%2585-wt-igromir-2013%2F


Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 06-10-2013, 19:10:27
I hope WT kicks WoT ass so that the latter would be clean of useless players.
Yeah, I stopped playing WoT a while ago. This had nothing to do with actual tanks but some wacky prototypes of which 1 or 2 exemplars were made or even crazy stuff of which only some drawings existed became standard tanks in this game. The thing that just did it for me was the introduction of the Leopard I (built from: 1965) in this crazy game.

War Thunder is a huge step from this, as they didn´t fill in as many crazy prototypes. Some are there, like the Japanese jet, but these are exceptions - not the rule.

War Thunder developers somewhere else stated that they prefer a more realistic approach, as historical battles shows. I just hope that Panthers don´t get matched versus some post war tanks again like they do with the 262 right now.

I don't mind modern tanks or blueprint tanks (or inventions pretty much like T28 Prototype), they make the game quite dynamic and with nice content.

WoT is nice as long as there are no brainless players...


That is one of the reasons I don't like WT, the lack of concept aircraft. If I wanted to fly Mustangs and 109s I would play IL-2.., these "blueprint" fighters, bombers, figher-bombers etc, at least FOR ME, would make the game interesting.

IIRC I saw the "final" German tree some time ago and it had some of their experimental aircraft in it, hope they add it sometime.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 07-10-2013, 18:10:15
http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k619/Hjaldrgud/2013-10-06_00001.jpg~original

Reisen strong! A nice thing to watch: 4 zeros topping one team. Something thats seldom seen.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Kalkalash on 13-10-2013, 12:10:05
German and Russian tank tech trees have been released:

(http://warthunder.com/upload/image/media/tanks/!ger_tank_tree_eng.jpg)
(http://warthunder.com/upload/image/media/tanks/!ussr_tank_tree_eng.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 13-10-2013, 13:10:30
Hey, that's not bad, pretty good list :D.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: DaWorg! on 13-10-2013, 14:10:22
Not sure whether you are serious or sarcastic ;). I´m not worried about Germans being too weak, I´m worried about exactly this inclusion of wacky stuff. Counter stuff that doesn´t belong into the game with more stuff that doesn´t belong into the game and then this happens:

(http://www.7stern.info/Bilder_UFO/Hanebu_III.jpg)

That´s what killed WoT for me. ^^

There's already T-54, IS-4, Panther II and KT with KwK 46 in that tech tree
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-10-2013, 14:10:49
Note

the IS4 will have the SAME gun as the IS2
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 13-10-2013, 14:10:28
There's already T-54, IS-4, Panther II and KT with KwK 46 in that tech tree
Yeah, I noticed that too. But it´s not over the top ridiculous like in WOT. War Thunder at least took several models of the tanks rather than just one. I also like the difference in trees between the Germans and Russians: It looks like they split German SPGs into StuGs and Tank hunters. It would make sense to have the Hetzer only available after all the StuGs, but they look like two totally different trees, while Russians just have the SPG tree. Therefor Russians have a bigger Heavy tank tree.

Well, we will have to see. Is there a possible release in planning yet?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 13-10-2013, 15:10:42
Its mostly high tiers that are getting non-WWII tanks, so all you have to do is stick to the low tiers.
TBH I wouldn't mind some UFO-tanks (like you get in WOT) with silly modifications, as long as there are historical battle modes available, not gonna happen at first, but it could be a possibility later on, if the game picks up on player numbers.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-10-2013, 16:10:55
I am glad the tanks are getting the guns they should have. That kingtiger of yours will be able to fight an IS4 head to head in wich skill will matter more then firepower
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 13-10-2013, 18:10:08
Wondering about the tier of the vehicles - especially for historical battles and full real battles. They can´t match T-34/85 vs Panthers on equal player numbers. The same goes for Panzer III and T-34. The difference in performance between tanks is much more noticeable than on aircraft. At least the weapons in air-combat can cause damage even if there is a tier difference. In tank combat it would just bounce.

Alternative would be that the fights are matched wrong, with Panthers not seeing a single T-34 at all.

Didn´t the devs once claim they tier the vehicles by year of appearance?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 13-10-2013, 22:10:29
I'll only play it if they add Maus
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 13-10-2013, 22:10:11
Didn´t the devs once claim they tier the vehicles by year of appearance?

They apparently do so for aircraft, yes.

As for the tanks, going to be a tricky balance indeed, wonder how they'll end up doing it. Ofcourse generally speaking, the lower a tank's tier the more mobile it is so it can still kill higher tier tanks by driving around and hitting the side/rear armor. In WoT that simply doesn't work because of the HP system, but with a realistic damage model smaller tanks can just outflank bigger ones.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-10-2013, 22:10:55
Well, keep in mind, for example, you CAN defeat an IS3 from the side with a mere Panzer IV if you get close enough. In WOT you could penetrate it maybe once, twice..3 if lucky, then he turned his gaint cannon and One shotted you.

But in Warthunder, if you penetrate and hit lets say, an engine or ammo rack. Thats boom boom baby.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 13-10-2013, 22:10:12
THere was an RNG epizode recently where a Chaffee ammoracked an E100 so such things happen in WoT but on rare occasions and so should IRL, I mean PzIV against an IS3? That's a one sided match.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-10-2013, 23:10:34
In wot, the IS3 would win 99% of the times, unless a lucky hit happens


in Warthunder this would be very much diffrent

A person with high skill who uses tactic and be able to outflank/outmanouver an heavier/high tiered opponent will infact be rewarded for it.

ALSO
WHERE IS THE BRUMMBAR????   :-[ :-[ :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 14-10-2013, 00:10:46
You can't possibly know that theta, you haven't even played the game :P
BUT if WT will have that amozing one-shot kill FH2 style (or at least something similar) it would be great equaliser for all tanks.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 14-10-2013, 04:10:28
Still no Maus

No Maus in WT = WT crap game.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 14-10-2013, 22:10:53
Still no Maus

No Maus in WT = WT crap game.
So there's two of us!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-10-2013, 01:10:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ8foF7bktQ
Look at this! You mean you CAN have a game with proper engine sounds instead of lawnmowers? l'm impressed. Wargaming, get your head out of your ass, now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 26-10-2013, 12:10:52
Breathtaking. Although I'm a bit let down by the 105mm howitzer sound. It lacks the "boom".
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 26-10-2013, 12:10:57
To quote that guy on youtube: WoT is dead. No more silly prototypes fighting with each other. So excited to play this. Have the devs ever given a hint when tanks will be released?

On a side note: Just unlocked the 3x30mm on the Bf109 G6 and it´s the best aircraft I ever used in WT. Instakill everything.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-10-2013, 13:10:58
Bah, the triple cannons for german aircraft is what bothers me in this game.

To freaking powerfull in Arcade battles (DONT COME BITCHING WITH HB ELITISM, 70% plays AB :/ )

Other then that

LISTEN to how beautifull that maybach engine purs in the videos!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 26-10-2013, 21:10:04
Do the extra gun pods alter the flight abilities of the airplane in AB as they do in HB btw? Just a question out of interest.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 26-10-2013, 21:10:10
Do the extra gun pods alter the flight abilities of the airplane in AB as they do in HB btw? Just a question out of interest.
Yes, they do. But who cares about 3,1 m less climb rate per second, 1,1 secs to turn time and 12 km/h less, if you can instakill everything? Just blew up 9 bombers in arcade battle without getting hurt. xD
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 26-10-2013, 21:10:25
Bah, the triple cannons for german aircraft is what bothers me in this game.

To freaking powerfull in Arcade battles

Yeah, because that's what breaks balance. Not the UFO Spitfires, indestructable Yaks and Migs, and not the overarmed 12x.50cal and 30mm cobras and other US stuff.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-10-2013, 22:10:03
12x .50 cal? Where did you get that? :D, triple 20mm are fine, in fact F-4 with single cannon is useless.
The biggest problem I have with the game right now is the "upgrades" system, having to grind an absolutely useless aircraft for loong ass time before it gets any good just ruins the fun. I see no point in progressing up the tree now, you're just being punished for buying a new plane. That and the fact .50 cals are useless and weak, those are the worst problems right now IMO.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 26-10-2013, 22:10:55
F-4 with single cannon is useless. Agreed. Couldn't get that many kills for the life of me with it. The additional cannons actually made my BnZ kill people instead of just scratch em
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 26-10-2013, 22:10:42
12x .50 cal? Where did you get that? :D, triple 20mm are fine, in fact F-4 with single cannon is useless.
The biggest problem I have with the game right now is the "upgrades" system, having to grind an absolutely useless aircraft for loong ass time before it gets any good just ruins the fun. I see no point in progressing up the tree now, you're just being punished for buying a new plane. That and the fact .50 cals are useless and weak, those are the worst problems right now IMO.

There is a trick how you can make good use of .50 cal. You have to get really close - about 250-300 m is a good distance and then spray the target. All .50 cal in the wings will run together in the target at that distance and you have to set your convergence to 200 or 300m. The lower you get your convergence the better you will get in general too. This applies for other planes aswell, but is most mandatory for US planes. Telling that .50 cal is uselsess and weak is a bit over the top IMO.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-10-2013, 22:10:57
12x .50 cal? Where did you get that? :D, triple 20mm are fine, in fact F-4 with single cannon is useless.
The biggest problem I have with the game right now is the "upgrades" system, having to grind an absolutely useless aircraft for loong ass time before it gets any good just ruins the fun. I see no point in progressing up the tree now, you're just being punished for buying a new plane. That and the fact .50 cals are useless and weak, those are the worst problems right now IMO.

There is a trick how you can make good use of .50 cal. You have to get really close - about 250-300 m is a good distance and then spray the target. All .50 cal in the wings will run together in the target at that distance and you have to set your convergence to 200 or 300m. The lower you get your convergence the better you will get in general too. This applies for other planes aswell, but is most mandatory for US planes. Telling that .50 cal is uselsess and weak is a bit over the top IMO.
The sole fact thay you have to use a "trick" to make fifties useful (I'm talking about high tiers of course, on lower tiers they are magnificent) While you can just derp around with pretty much anything else (even 7mm feel more powerful, no shit) proves they are useless :D.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 26-10-2013, 23:10:33
Ofcourse you have to fly an airplane according to it's abilities. What else did you expect? An no - 7mm are not more powerful and I don't know where you got that from. I don't start shooting at my enemies anyway, until I am not closer than atleast 400 m. But flying an amercian plane with .50 cal in the wings you will have to stick alot more to that tactic. That you don't know how to make use of your weapons doesn't make them useless in general. But well, you will know it better. ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-10-2013, 23:10:22
Ofcourse you have to fly an airplane according to it's abilities. What else did you expect? An no - 7mm are not more powerful and I don't know where you got that from.
Experience :D.
And I have no idea why you're assuming I'm firing 50s over the long range. Maybe it's the combination of the plane and gun (Corsairs) that doesn't work, but they just don't shoot anything down.
Oh and remember I'm talking AB here.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 26-10-2013, 23:10:18
The 7.7 on the Spitfire Mk.1 are fun, they do fuck all against the planes themselves but you spray so many bullets that at least one of them is bound to hit the pilot.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 27-10-2013, 00:10:34
I don't know other's experiences with them, but in my experience pilots flying brit planes seem to have horrible aim. They always will sit right on your tail and then just spam 7.7 until they have to reload.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 27-10-2013, 00:10:06
Talking about horrible armament: Don´t get the BF109 G10. That´s awkward... after 3x30mm and 6x20mm on my Bf109 G6 and Fw190A the puny single 20mm on the G10 is just a farce. And even if you unlock the gunpods you won´t get 3x30mms but only two in the wings.

Atm I´m just flying my two babies and hardly use the G10. I´m like 50k experience away from the 30mm gunpods under the Fw190 F version though.  :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 27-10-2013, 02:10:35
I don't know other's experiences with them, but in my experience pilots flying brit planes seem to have horrible aim. They always will sit right on your tail and then just spam 7.7 until they have to reload.

Well, guess it's a side effect of being in a plane that outmanouvres everything else. I must admit I do it myself as well sometimes, why take all the trouble doing fancy moves when you can just as easily stick behind and spray bullets untill the enemy plane falls apart. Only when I'm chasing a lone aircraft ofcourse.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 27-10-2013, 11:10:55
Say, aren't the german 13mm MGs basically like .50cals?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-10-2013, 11:10:10
Say, aren't the german 13mm MGs basically like .50cals?
Yes and no.

the MG131 was a bit more powerfull and fired a bit faster then the .50CAL, but it also had only half the effective range and less muzzle velocity. And was not as reliable as the .50CAL.

It is however, a very facinating design, and its smaller size made it easier to install in bomber turrets and such.

Not to mention the electrically primed firing mechanism is pretty cool. Altough this was also less reliable.

Edit: Oh wait the Bullets of the M2 are more powerfull. The API rounds were also much more effective. The MG131 advantages are bit higher ROF, lighter weight and size.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 28-10-2013, 08:10:31
Talking about horrible armament: Don´t get the BF109 G10. That´s awkward... after 3x30mm and 6x20mm on my Bf109 G6 and Fw190A the puny single 20mm on the G10 is just a farce. And even if you unlock the gunpods you won´t get 3x30mms but only two in the wings.

Atm I´m just flying my two babies and hardly use the G10. I´m like 50k experience away from the 30mm gunpods under the Fw190 F version though.  :)
I feel the same way. The stock grind is horror. Can't wait to max out the G-10 with upgrades. But I'm unsure if I will put on gunpods, because of the reduced climb rate. I guess I will do it for arcade and never fly it in historical.

The G-6 is a flying god. In my eyes it is a perfect mix of armament. The only downside is low ammo count on the 30mm, but it packs a punch. I don't feel I need any gunpods on that thing.

I've started trying to fly historical, but it's real hard after being an arcade scrub for 150 hours :P
But I get more adrenaline rush when I fly it.


http://youtu.be/DH8YUo9C9iw?t=3m47s
This is the last thing a Sherman will hear...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 30-10-2013, 18:10:23
http://youtu.be/DH8YUo9C9iw?t=3m47s
This is the last thing a Sherman will hear...
Dayumn! Listen to THAT! And those soviet 122mm, delicious.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 01-11-2013, 12:11:16
Just about to unlock the dual 30mm on the FW190 F. One question though: Is it possible for the 30mm with AP ammunition to go through Light tanks and Medium tanks?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 01-11-2013, 13:11:43
Just about to unlock the dual 30mm on the FW190 F. One question though: Is it possible for the 30mm with AP ammunition to go through Light tanks and Medium tanks?
Those are the "long" MK 103 right? They should go through light tanks,and maybe throu rear/top of mediums, I dunno for sure, when I finally unlock ammo belts on my Me410 I'll tell you :D
About that, this game could use seperate weapon controls, not just machineguns/cannons, so you could use 2 types of cannons separately.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-11-2013, 14:11:26
30mm's penetrate the rear armour of medium tanks yes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 01-11-2013, 16:11:16
Just flew my first round with those babies. Turns out they aren´t the 30mm mounted on the 109, but much more awesome. A salvo will finish off a medium tank from behind and the top - which is attacked like 90% of the time anyways as you come from above. This thing is a money maker.

I missed the feeling of strafing everything - like in Tier 0 and 1. This was fun, now I can do this again.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 03-11-2013, 00:11:20
Look at this beautiful/useless thing! Its incredible, Po-2 OP.
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5324/nkcu.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 03-11-2013, 01:11:31
I got some good memories with that thing from IL-2:BoP. You could play on simulator (like FRBs) and not spin out of control, touch down on airfields regardless of, angle, altitude, could do some stunts like landing on the Reichstag. If you play capture the airfields with that plane I guarantee you will not be disappointed at all.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 03-11-2013, 16:11:13
Look at this beautiful/useless thing! Its incredible, Po-2 OP.
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5324/nkcu.jpg)
My granpa told me stories how he used to do skydiving out of that plane after ww2  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 04-11-2013, 21:11:20
Anyone else loving the Japanese bombers? I'm having a blast in the G4M1 Betty, and the KI49's. Awful in arcade, but really fun to fly in Historical.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 04-11-2013, 23:11:39
Yeah, I've been playing it for months now. The tail 20mm is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 05-11-2013, 06:11:38
I used to spend my time nuking airfields in my H6K4.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 05-11-2013, 13:11:23
Does anyone know how long it will take until ground forces arrive? I've seen videos on YouTube, but it seems ground combat is not included yet.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 05-11-2013, 16:11:35
IIRC when the PS4/Xbox1 go live we will get ground forces, since WT will be available on both.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 05-11-2013, 17:11:11
Still no Maus?
Meh
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 06-11-2013, 02:11:56
Anyone else loving the Japanese bombers? I'm having a blast in the G4M1 Betty, and the KI49's. Awful in arcade, but really fun to fly in Historical.

Im a "Japanese Boomer", and im so adicted to it than i have now a G5N1 bomber fuly upgraded.. belive me: its beauitifull to fly it on arcade and destroy the enemy airfields in 2 minutes (my reload time is very improved btw)

In adiction: Im at level 14 in Japan rigth now... wile on the other nations im level 0 at British; 2 at Germans, 3 at United States and Soviet Union
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 06-11-2013, 03:11:16
Japanese and British are level 6, Soviets and U.S. are level 7, and my Germans are level 9.

I've got a fully upgraded H6K4, with the crew reload maxed and aced I get about 33 seconds between 2x 1000Kg bomb drops iirc.



Edit: Make that level 8 Americans now.


Which P-47 should I grab? Which plane should I replace? The F4u-1a or the F6F-3? Maybe the TBF too but it is my dedicated bomber right now until level 10 when I start using my BTD-1
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 06-11-2013, 12:11:53
You should replace the F6F. Corsair is still better than the Hellcat.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 06-11-2013, 13:11:19
Americans 11, Germans and Brit 10, Soviet and Japs 6
Bombers suck, torpedo bomber suck even more, I mean, they are LOTS of fun to fly around, but they don't earn shit, bombs are too weak, and exp/cred gain is piss poor. That kind of ruins the whole experience.
But I love my fighter-bombers, those are epic.
Which P-47 should I grab? Which plane should I replace? The F4u-1a or the F6F-3? Maybe the TBF too but it is my dedicated bomber right now until level 10 when I start using my BTD-1
Can you actually choose? I'm pretty sure you gave to get the -25 before you can buy -28. There's no difference between them really, just different paint job. About replacing, Your preference really, F4A is a slightly better fighter, but F6F is a "mini-P47" so you lose that ability to destroy ground targets.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 06-11-2013, 16:11:52
The difference between the -25 and the -28 is that one of them has a different rudder with more surface area, I just can't remember which.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 06-11-2013, 17:11:49
But simular to the P47, the hellcat has a broken FM. It soaks up barely any damage
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 06-11-2013, 18:11:48
Yeah. They take too little punishment.
And I could go on on a rant on american paper tails. One 7.7mm mm in the tail/elevator and you are as good as dead
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 06-11-2013, 18:11:14
I tested it with a friend who did not believed me. We want dueling mode. I was allowed to fire first with a freaking GLADIATOR and i frikking WRECKED the tail with one shit little burst of 7.7mm Omni fire
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 14-11-2013, 20:11:15
Ground Forces beta on the way. You can complete assignments to get an invite for it apparently.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 15-11-2013, 00:11:09
To POSSIBLY get an invite  ;)


Also the 1.36 patch looks pretty good. Hs 129 is being put at T9, and the Hs 129 with the 75mm pak is going to be T10!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 15-11-2013, 05:11:26
To POSSIBLY get an invite  ;)


Also the 1.36 patch looks pretty good. Hs 129 is being put at T9, and the Hs 129 with the 75mm pak is going to be T10!

YEEEEEEEEES! LONG LIVE THE QUACK!

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 15-11-2013, 16:11:39
Cool, finally the 7,5cm to actually hunt tanks. I flew the HS 129 like 10 times and then got rid of it. Might use it again now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 15-11-2013, 17:11:42
Yes, yes, I am waiting to line that steel tub with my british planes and blow it up with a rokkit.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-11-2013, 17:11:46
Well that was well needed

HS129 at its tier was a disaster
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-11-2013, 11:11:40
Being flying the ME109's alot. Current line up is ME 109 E1, ME 109 E2, and the all the ME 109 F's.

I fly the F"s without the wing mounted cannons. For agility sake. But i have to say the single MG151 with 200 rounds is way better then the wing mounted ME 109 e3's 20mm"s.


Now its off to get the HE 111 H-13 and further german bombarz!!!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-11-2013, 21:11:32
Warthunder once again under DDOS attack
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 16-11-2013, 21:11:06
cant log in also, sucks, wanted to fly my new japanese lv13 bomber.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-11-2013, 11:11:02
So this Yak cunt tried to attack my little heinkell........ I slammed all the brakes, i threw my plane up in a vertical position and the yak slammed against my tail and i FREAKING SURVIVED XD XD XD


Nothing can stop das 111!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 17-11-2013, 12:11:22
So this Yak cunt tried to attack my little heinkell........ I slammed all the brakes, i threw my plane up in a vertical position and the yak slammed against my tail and i FREAKING SURVIVED XD XD XD


Nothing can stop das 111!
Apart from any decent pilot with a decent plane :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 17-11-2013, 14:11:06

Nothing can stop das 111!

Except RAF hahah
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 17-11-2013, 15:11:21
Nothing can stop das 111!
Die, it´s die Hundertelf. As in: Die 111 ist Scheiße.

Btw. Golden Eagles today.

http://warthunder.com/en/news/341/current/
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-11-2013, 15:11:16
Also why is the 20mm in the front nose when many were fitted in the ventral gondula?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 17-11-2013, 16:11:36
So, logged in, got a pop up, always faithfull, 500k lions, 2 mil xp..
Thanks i sepose, why did i get this?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 17-11-2013, 16:11:48
So, logged in, got a pop up, always faithfull, 500k lions, 2 mil xp..
Thanks i sepose, why did i get this?
For spending shit ton of time in the game
http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/70469-always-faithful/?hl=always%20faithful
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-11-2013, 17:11:26
Again DDOS attack
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-11-2013, 22:11:03
So, logged in, got a pop up, always faithfull, 500k lions, 2 mil xp..
Thanks i sepose, why did i get this?
For spending shit ton of time in the game
http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/70469-always-faithful/?hl=always%20faithful

You know what the best part was? it turned me lvl 50, so i got another 500k for that.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 19-11-2013, 19:11:09
FW - the most disappointing plane for me... This brick is a big joke on this 10-12 lvl...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-11-2013, 21:11:33
I shot one down with Stuka D-3

Piece of piss that was..

I think something is wrong with the FW 190's. They tear off way to fast. Simular to how the tail and aerilons of the P47 get destroyed way to easily
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 19-11-2013, 23:11:26
FW190 sucks at first. You are used to the awesome climbrate of the 109s.

They are good if you have the FW190 A5/U2 with the 6x20mm to hunt down aircraft and the FW190 F with the dual 30mms for tank hunting.

The FW190 D-13 is a huge disappointment though. On stock it can climb about 13 meters per second iirc. Well, no thanks, I´m not leveling this up. I´d much rather stay with my 109 G6 with the 3x30mm and DOUBLE the climbrate and 20% more multiplier.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 19-11-2013, 23:11:39
I quite like my FW 190 A5, it's nice pretty quick and the roll rate is epic, end the best thing is it stays that way even at high speeds. AND it gets the nuclear 210mm rockets :D. I still need to get the last few upgrades on it, so it should get even better.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-11-2013, 23:11:42
jeez you guys have 6 20mm cannons

*looks at spitty with 2 20mm cannons

Huzzaa!!!!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 21-11-2013, 00:11:16
AND it gets the nuclear 210mm rockets :D.
set them to go off at 200 to 400 meters (what ever you prefer).
all those bomber tears. I also took out a spitfire with one of those. The mid-air explosion caused both it wings and tail to come off. It is probably my best kill yet.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 21-11-2013, 01:11:01
Most satisfying kill ever for me was with my P-39N-0. I saw a beaufighter going in on a team mate, totally on this guy's ass and I started to dive down. I hit about 650 km/h or so and I just fired one 37mm HE round. His tail blew off and he did two back flips before he crashed into the ground.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 22-11-2013, 05:11:31
Can anyone refer me to a good british dogfighter? Preferably one that doesn't loose speed while turning?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 22-11-2013, 18:11:05
An aircraft that does not lose speed while turning? I will be back on you when they invent that.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 22-11-2013, 18:11:48
I meant, doesnt lose too much speed while turning
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 22-11-2013, 19:11:51
An aircraft that does not lose speed while turning? I will be back on you when they invent that.
Welp, It's a video game after all so :D.
Can anyone refer me to a good british dogfighter? Preferably one that doesn't loose speed while turning?
You don't have much choice when it comes to british fighters, Spitfire, Hurricane or Typhoon :D. All of them are great IMO.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 22-11-2013, 19:11:41
You don't have much choice when it comes to british fighters, Spitfire, Hurricane or Typhoon :D. All of them are great IMO.
Really? I gave up on Brits. They turn quite good but are only average at best in climbrate, speed, firepower, ammunition load. In fact they are good fighting a single aircraft in a dogfight. If you are in a dogfight with more than one enemy aircraft, your advantage is almost totally negated. Further you can fire like 7-8 bursts with your cannons on the Spitfire before you have to reload. That´s very annoying.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-11-2013, 19:11:52
Not to mention they jam fast and they have Horrible horrible survivability

American planes suck even more

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 22-11-2013, 19:11:06
You don't have much choice when it comes to british fighters, Spitfire, Hurricane or Typhoon :D. All of them are great IMO.
If you are in a dogfight with more than one enemy aircraft, your advantage is almost totally negated. Further you can fire like 7-8 bursts with your cannons on the Spitfire before you have to reload. That´s very annoying.
IMO If you're in a dogfight with more than one enemy, you already failed :D  They are very agile and easy to aim, so you don't waste so many shots :D. Usually is enough to shoot down 2-3 planes, go around, reload and find some more victims. Of course asking me about airplanes is quite pointless cause I find most of airplanes nice (apart from obviously bad ones), I even like to use B-25 as a fighter :D

Not to mention they jam fast and they have Horrible horrible survivability

American planes suck even more
You just have to not get hit thats all :D. British tree itself is quite lacking, needs Hurricane with 4x Hispano and 2x 40mm cannon.
About the American: I agree on that, Apart from Cobras most of them are utter shite. Mostly because of sucky .50 cals.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 22-11-2013, 20:11:26
As long as you're keeping it to low tiers,

the Hurricane and Hurricane II are both great planes for their tiers (very low), they have mediocre flying charactaristics but their armament is very impressive. 8 and 12 .30mm machineguns respectively will take down anything that ends up on the wrong side of your plane in mere seconds.

Then there are the Spitfire I and the Spitfire IIb a few tiers above, which are absolutely amazing. I honestly can't say how much speed they lose while turning, but they outturn almost everything they encounter and they easily finish off enemies with their impressive armament. The mk1 has 8 machine guns that spray so much bullets you'll always hit the pilot eventually, and the mk2 has 20mm cannons that tear everything on that tier to pieces. And you'll always be able to use the armament, because almost nothing can shake a Spitfire off its tail.

This tier (cap at 8 or something) even comes with the Beaufighter MkX (I think, anyways it's the second one in the tree) as a bonus which is one of the best heavy fighters of its tier. 4x20mm cannon and 6x .50cal blows everything in half with a few short bursts, and it even comes with rockets too.


IMO, it's much more fun to stay at this tier level than to advance to tier 10-18 where the game becomes more of a oneshot-fest.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 22-11-2013, 20:11:29
As long as you're keeping it to low tiers,

the Hurricane and Hurricane II are both great planes for their tiers (very low), they have mediocre flying charactaristics but their armament is very impressive. 8 and 10 12 .30mm machineguns respectively will take down anything that ends up on the wrong side of your plane in mere seconds.

Then there are the Spitfire I and the Spitfire IIb a few tiers above, which are absolutely amazing. I honestly can't say how much speed they lose while turning, but they outturn almost everything they encounter and they easily finish off enemies with their impressive armament. The mk1 has 6 8 machine guns that spray so much bullets you'll always hit the pilot eventually, and the mk2 has 20mm cannons that tear everything on that tier to pieces. And you'll always be able to use the armament, because almost nothing can shake a Spitfire off its tail.

This tier (cap at 8 or something) even comes with the Beaufighter MkX (I think, anyways it's the second one in the tree) as a bonus which is one of the best heavy fighters of its tier. 4x20mm cannon and 8 6x .50cal blows everything in half with a few short bursts, and it even comes with rockets too.

I've been sticking to this tier level for quite some time now and it never gets boring.
Yes, I had to, OCD kicked in :D

IMO, it's much more fun to stay at this tier level than to advance to tier 10-18 where the game becomes more of a oneshot-fest.
Yeah, IMO Up to tier 10 it's pretty great, beyond that you get jets and other shite that completely ruins the fun ;/
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-11-2013, 20:11:28
.50's are Okay

Its their survivability that sucks

US planes like P47 were fucking flying bunkers
ingame they die with a few 20mm's

I personaly have found tier 8+ to be

not fun anymore
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 22-11-2013, 23:11:38
Yes, I had to, OCD kicked in :D

Thanks, I couldn't check to be sure. Never bothered to learn the specs and armament by head. I'm happy as long as it flies and shoots.  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 23-11-2013, 13:11:30
Ok, so I got my Typhoon today. What do I do with it?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 23-11-2013, 13:11:09
get the one with the 4x20mm, win every dogfight.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 23-11-2013, 20:11:33
I do just fine with my fully upgraded P47. Very fast, very nice climb rate, I can dive, bomb. Plus I have TONS of ammo, I play HC from time to time, and the player with the most ammo always wins. The BF 109 is very powerful and fast, with good climb rate, and while their cannons are very powerful...they usually are the first ones that have to go back to recharge, and then they are easy targets.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 23-11-2013, 20:11:44
P47 is just awesome. you can keep shooting and shooting without having to reload. It has a very good fuselage too. It's essentially a flying tank . love it
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-11-2013, 20:11:59
so i got the FW190.


....


...


need tips
now
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 23-11-2013, 21:11:17
so i got the FW190.


....


...


need tips
now
- Don´t turn ever. No plane bleeds this fast.
- Climb, boom and zoom, climb again
- While it´s supposed to climb, it doesn´t climb very well until fully upgraded and then it´s only decent.
- Excellent roll rate - comes in handy when someone is behind you as you can just dance around
- Excellent firepower with upgrades. Usually you will onehit targets with a burst.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-11-2013, 21:11:05
Okay. That worked. much better know, appreciated for the info
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 23-11-2013, 23:11:04
If it tells you anything, I killed 2x 190s, an A-5 and an A-5/U2 with my BTD in HB because the chucklefucks decided to turn fight me.



I suck in HB and average 0 air kills per game if that tells you anything.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 24-11-2013, 04:11:14
My best plane at the moment is the G10...monstrous firepower, triple 30mm, a couple of rounds is enough to obliterate B24 Liberator bombers. Extremely fast and agile.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 24-11-2013, 05:11:53
I feel like an Idiot in the british tree. The Goddamn typhoon cannot turn for shit. Tips on how to use it please.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-11-2013, 11:11:51
I feel like an Idiot in the british tree. The Goddamn typhoon cannot turn for shit. Tips on how to use it please.
Simular to how you use the FW 190. I followed butch's advise and my score went up alot.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 24-11-2013, 13:11:04
Ok, the plan is to attack from above and begone in a flash. Will try that out.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 25-11-2013, 23:11:29
I feel like an Idiot in the british tree. The Goddamn typhoon cannot turn for shit. Tips on how to use it please.

If you're talking about this "shitty" Typhoon without cannons - well the best way is to open at really close range - lest than 300m. Or another tip - get rid of this plane ASAP!  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 26-11-2013, 01:11:19
I'm beginning to like the KI-61 now. This just happened to me ^^
http://youtu.be/FBIX48GqFug
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 26-11-2013, 04:11:08
I feel like an Idiot in the british tree. The Goddamn typhoon cannot turn for shit. Tips on how to use it please.

If you're talking about this "shitty" Typhoon without cannons - well the best way is to open at really close range - lest than 300m. Or another tip - get rid of this plane ASAP!  ;D

I am grinding towards the spitfire V, as soon as I get it, the Typhoon mk1a will be banished to the land of wind and ghosts.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 26-11-2013, 04:11:59
At low levels, I really hated to be stuck with machine gun calibers. Like when I flew the first Spitfires, I despised their weak as hell 7.7 guns, even in the first Typhoon plane, slow as a cow, and weak as hell. It was better off in the later Spitfire versions, at least armed with quad 20mm and the Premium Typhoon, which I bought immediately for increased fire power.

That's why I prefer to fly germans. Just 3 words BF109-G10+Triple 30mm=Ultra Overkill.

I cant wait to unlock the ME 262 with quad 30mm. However, powerful as they are, they arent turn fighters and are just used to climb, dive, boom and zoom.

And their repair rate is the highest in all the nations.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 26-11-2013, 06:11:52
Don't bother with the 262 until the HGIII is introduced or it is re-tiered. Every other jet, save a couple of the shitty yaks, out performs it
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 26-11-2013, 15:11:34
I cant wait to unlock the ME 262 with quad 30mm. However, powerful as they are, they arent turn fighters and are just used to climb, dive, boom and zoom.
Get a raincoat, because you will begin to cry endlessly when you get it. It's fighting Korean jets ffs. The jets should be retiered so that WW2/shitty jets jets gets WW2 fights. Planes like HE162, HE163, ME262, Yak-15, Yak-15P, Yak-17, The weak Meteors and the Vampire should fight each other along with the powerful props. The Arado 234 should only see prop battles IMO. It's only defense is speed, and it should outrun enemies unless they have energy from a dive. To make the tiering better, they should expand the tiers to 22 to get it more balanced. Then the sovoks and americlaps can wank off in MiG alley alone with their MiG-15 and F86's.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 26-11-2013, 16:11:28
Doesn't the Arado have bombs? Bombs can shoot down planes, if you use them right.

Sorry, flashbacks to older Gaijin games. Good times.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 26-11-2013, 16:11:19
That´s kinda shitty. In every game of this type there gets some bullshit added that doesn´t belong into the timeframe for balance. It was T-50s and Pattons in WoT and in War Thunder it´s the Migs and Sabres. I´m lvl 15 as Germans now and I´m constantly seeing Yak-15 jets flying around... and it´s kinda pathetic that the Russians get jets before the Germans. And if the Germans finally have their jets, they get matched with Migs from the 1950ies. I´m buying the 262 to be the fastest, not to get matched with gaga planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 26-11-2013, 17:11:13
Thank god I play as the Brits. I will look so pathetic that I will be left alone. Although I have noticed that Russian planes are the shit. They are excellent maneuvering machines, pack a mean punch and are well armoured. I can barely out-turn them with my spitfire. And they eventually get MiGs. I am gonna get to the max level spitfire and typhoon, and then switch to the Soviets.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 26-11-2013, 18:11:36
If I do remember, the West German army had F86's around the 50s, so maybe they should give the germans one.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-11-2013, 18:11:33
FW190 kicks ass

Much better then P47 wankerbolt
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 26-11-2013, 19:11:30
Sorry but FW is the shittiest fighter on its tier... But if you compare it to P-47...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-11-2013, 19:11:54
Well i am trying to stay out of dogfights tough

well

i solely do hit and run

because you get raped analy very quickly in a turn fight
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 26-11-2013, 19:11:28
Well i am trying to stay out of dogfights tough

well

i solely do hit and run

because you get raped analy very quickly in a turn fight

Meh, depends, put out your landing flaps and see how your baby turns on a dime.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 26-11-2013, 19:11:46
Well i am trying to stay out of dogfights tough

well

i solely do hit and run

because you get raped analy very quickly in a turn fight

Meh, depends, put out your landing flaps and see how your baby turns on a dime.

Yeah, turns slower than Yak -9"X"...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-11-2013, 19:11:43
i even got outturned by a spitfire MK1
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 26-11-2013, 19:11:52
Well i am trying to stay out of dogfights tough

well

i solely do hit and run

because you get raped analy very quickly in a turn fight

Meh, depends, put out your landing flaps and see how your baby turns on a dime.

Yeah, turns slower than Yak -9"X"...  ::)
No no, it turns fast, but your speed goes straight to 200km/h or less. Bit like a biplane :p
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 26-11-2013, 22:11:14
who the fucks turns-fight in a FW?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 26-11-2013, 22:11:31
I do, because I need to turn...sometimes... what.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-11-2013, 22:11:08
"Dats why i told you! TURN NOTTING
BUT no you are bunch of cowboys
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 26-11-2013, 23:11:03
who the fucks turns-fight in a FW?

What are you seposed to do? Climb that brick? rather do some ground clearing to make some xp and then defend when i have to

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 26-11-2013, 23:11:55
Boom and zoom baby. That's what FW's are for.
Dat fire power: BOOOOOOOOOOOM! Dat Energy ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! Repeat.

They are better in AB than in HB IMO
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 27-11-2013, 00:11:59
who the fucks turns-fight in a FW?

What are you seposed to do? Climb that brick? rather do some ground clearing to make some xp and then defend when i have to

GROUND CLEARING? IN A FOCKE-WULF? HOW DO YOU FUNCTION???

make your self a favor, just play zeros and spitfires.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 27-11-2013, 00:11:01
who the fucks turns-fight in a FW?

What are you seposed to do? Climb that brick? rather do some ground clearing to make some xp and then defend when i have to

GROUND CLEARING? IN A FOCKE-WULF? HOW DO YOU FUNCTION???

make your self a favor, just play zeros and spitfires.
It actually works quite well with the FW190 F version with the 30mm guns and AP ammunition. Those 30mms are different to the ones in the BF109 and you can knock out medium tanks from the sides and top with a salvo. I love to kill off 4-5 medium tanks in one go with the FW190 F.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 27-11-2013, 02:11:41
not enough EXP per TANK
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 27-11-2013, 04:11:04
Typhon, Y U No make sense.


I pimped that mk1A up. I get out turned by Chaikas, and when I try to gain altitude, some fucking low tier Biplane is able to put enough rounds in me  to destroy my tail. It has great weapons though.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 27-11-2013, 12:11:40
who the fucks turns-fight in a FW?

What are you seposed to do? Climb that brick? rather do some ground clearing to make some xp and then defend when i have to

GROUND CLEARING? IN A FOCKE-WULF? HOW DO YOU FUNCTION???

make your self a favor, just play zeros and spitfires.
It actually works quite well with the FW190 F version with the 30mm guns and AP ammunition. Those 30mms are different to the ones in the BF109 and you can knock out medium tanks from the sides and top with a salvo. I love to kill off 4-5 medium tanks in one go with the FW190 F.

yeah, they "work", in the same way a p47 can be a WW2 a10 with the rockets , but only idiots do that, your guns are at better use pointing at PLANES, not fucking ground snails.

You have 4 cannons, 2 mgs, one of the most stable plataform for shooting in the german tree, and you use it to kill vehicles?.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 27-11-2013, 12:11:39
Oh, no, somebody is having fun, that's unacceptable! P-47 is great agains ground targets, .50 cals can even kill light tanks :D.
I honestly have no idea what the hell are you on about people, I fly FW190 and it's absolutely fine.
Just like Typhoon.

EDIT:
WELP this is shite
http://warthunder.com/en/news/350/current/
So basically they take what I found to be a brilliant system, and ruin it.... But I like the new ranks :D
GRIND TIME! before they implement this!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 27-11-2013, 14:11:00
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

Who's the idiot who thought this was a good idea?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 27-11-2013, 17:11:25
Oh, no, somebody is having fun, that's unacceptable! P-47 is great agains ground targets, .50 cals can even kill light tanks :D.

no, whats unacceptable is that they then proceed to whine about how the FW doesnt turn and is shit when they were caught with their pants down landmowing the map  :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 27-11-2013, 17:11:07
who the fucks turns-fight in a FW?

What are you seposed to do? Climb that brick? rather do some ground clearing to make some xp and then defend when i have to

GROUND CLEARING? IN A FOCKE-WULF? HOW DO YOU FUNCTION???

make your self a favor, just play zeros and spitfires.
It actually works quite well with the FW190 F version with the 30mm guns and AP ammunition. Those 30mms are different to the ones in the BF109 and you can knock out medium tanks from the sides and top with a salvo. I love to kill off 4-5 medium tanks in one go with the FW190 F.

yeah, they "work", in the same way a p47 can be a WW2 a10 with the rockets , but only idiots do that, your guns are at better use pointing at PLANES, not fucking ground snails.

You have 4 cannons, 2 mgs, one of the most stable plataform for shooting in the german tree, and you use it to kill vehicles?.
It actually is a ground attack version of the FW190. It later in the war took the role of the Stuka (not dive bombing but ground attack). The load of bombs you can carry with the FW190 shows that it can be played in this role. Add to that that sometimes I actually want to win rounds to get the multiplicator and that imo the real bombers are shit in the German tree, I prefer the FW190 for clearing out medium tanks.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-11-2013, 17:11:48
The FW 190 was also like the P47, well armoured to the front. Not as much, but still pretty darn heavy

Also radial engine! aircooled! Wunderbar!


But the FW190 indeed
SUCKS
in HB
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 27-11-2013, 20:11:38
I mostly use the P47 in HB. It's a powerhorse, lots of fire power with over 3000 rounds of 50 cal. It's fast, powerful and can take punishment. However, dont expect to climb as fast as the BF109's.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-11-2013, 20:11:02
ME109 was a master of climber the entire war so yeah  ;D
Title: Ki-200 !!! (WARNING: Mentaly retarded content above - risk of mindblow!)
Post by: Damaso on 07-12-2013, 20:12:45
FINALY! I HAVE MY KI-200 IN WAR THUNDER - BEST DAY OF MY LIFE!

IM SOO HAPPY WITH THIS THAN I REALLY HAD TO CREATE AN TOPIC FOR THIS!!! :D :D :D

AND IM ALSO SOO HAPPY THAN I WILL NOT EVEN MAKE ONE HUGE TEXT ABOUT SOMETHING WORSE THAN HAPPENED TO ME! THIS IS A DIFERENT DAMASO´S POST! :D :D :D

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/967151_553034934780338_32165408_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Ki-200 !!! (WARNING: Mentaly retarded content above - risk of mindblow!)
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 07-12-2013, 20:12:32
Tried to summon any fucks to give but miserably failed.
Title: Re: Ki-200 !!! (WARNING: Mentaly retarded content above - risk of mindblow!)
Post by: siben on 07-12-2013, 20:12:45
Who on earth would play japan only?
Title: Re: Ki-200 !!! (WARNING: Mentaly retarded content above - risk of mindblow!)
Post by: Mudzin on 07-12-2013, 20:12:45
So you fly only 1 faction all the time? And what are your other Japanese planes on this high level? Because I have doubts that you fly only with first planes except this Ki-200...
Title: Re: Ki-200 !!! (WARNING: Mentaly retarded content above - risk of mindblow!)
Post by: Damaso on 07-12-2013, 21:12:36
What do you mean?

(no, im not even a premium player - never gave a single cent for it)

But hell! it was my War Thunder dream!

(i also used A LOT the G5N1)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1425259_553052248111940_432637046_o.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 07-12-2013, 21:12:23
Merged this pointless thread with War Thunder thread.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 07-12-2013, 22:12:04
Enjoy your 4 minutes of fuel  ;)
Nippon is great. Best high level bomber +turnfighters.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 08-12-2013, 04:12:03
Speaking of which I am level 7 with the Amis and am slowly grinding towards the P47 and its dakka slowly and steadily.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 08-12-2013, 09:12:38
I just got the first engine upgrade for the -25 P-47, oh god so good. Can't wait for dat octane fuel
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 08-12-2013, 12:12:44
Do I use the p 47 -25 or the p47 -28?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 08-12-2013, 13:12:08
I just got the first engine upgrade for the -25 P-47, oh god so good. Can't wait for dat octane fuel
Wait until you get the last engine upgrade (throttle/injection or whatever that was), It's like a completely different plane with it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 08-12-2013, 13:12:03
How am I supposed to use the aircobra?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 08-12-2013, 13:12:44
Look for bombers/heavy fighter. You have a 37mm.

And like all aircraft, zoom and boom.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 08-12-2013, 13:12:09
and dont be near the same continent of any competitive figther or you will die. just target twin-engines and bombers
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-12-2013, 15:12:09
Do I use the p 47 -25 or the p47 -28?
Why not both?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 08-12-2013, 16:12:06
Becoz Monies,














Seriously though I plan to use both. I just need the monies.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-12-2013, 16:12:37
US planes get dissastorous after tier 7 IMO
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 08-12-2013, 20:12:31
I know I sound crazy for saying this, but I am pretty sure the XP-38 is made of the same stuff as the H6K4. Last couple of games I played in it, it went completely black except for a small bit on the tail. Tough as nails plane. Really excited for the patch to give it a better FM
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-12-2013, 21:12:47
Well work is being done. Next patch, the FM of the F6F hellcat is Finnaly freaking fixed

About goddam time

Now up towards the P47
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 15-12-2013, 18:12:40
Got a fully pimped up p-47. I am in love. That is one ami plane I cannot lol at.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 15-12-2013, 21:12:22
It is such a good plane, so worth it. Light at the end of the tunnel after the F4Fs. I really liked the F6F though, oddly enough
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-12-2013, 18:12:42
http://imgur.com/a/ol0k0

World of tanks, THEE LOOK INFERIOR TO THESE AMAZING MODELS

holy SHIT
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 17-12-2013, 18:12:14
http://imgur.com/a/ol0k0

World of tanks, THEE LOOK INFERIOR TO THESE AMAZING MODELS

holy SHIT

Seems like someone's just stole a large chunk of WoT's income.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 17-12-2013, 19:12:53
If there's gonna be realism difficulty with tanks, I'm sold

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-12-2013, 19:12:50
If there's gonna be realism difficulty with tanks, I'm sold
Yes

But compared to WOT, the "arcade" is pretty realistic already

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-12-2013, 14:12:19
Sooooo, 1.37 is here :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 18-12-2013, 14:12:22
Sooooo I can't download because slow as a sloth
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-12-2013, 15:12:18
Don't worry, servers are down also, so you cant even play if you have it.
Cant wait to try it tonight.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 18-12-2013, 16:12:47
also steam discount today. If you want some premium aircraft cheap, now is your chance !
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 18-12-2013, 18:12:54
Do we finaly have the Ground forces here?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-12-2013, 19:12:57
nope
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-12-2013, 20:12:00
Just had a battle... Its different....
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 18-12-2013, 21:12:32
In what ways?
Cant wait to try glorious nippon master race KI-84
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-12-2013, 21:12:19
The flying is more or less the same, its the whole new way of making progress, having to grind to unlock your aircraft..

The new bazooka's for us aircraft are cool.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 18-12-2013, 21:12:57
In wich update will we have the ground forces?

(i mean wich  update number)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 18-12-2013, 21:12:06
we don't know.

Anyway flight profile for a few aircraft has been updated. The FW feels a bit less "brickish". Don't like the new way of research though. I guess it doesn't take that long to get a specific aircraft as before, but I think it will take longer to research everything ..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-12-2013, 22:12:30
New research is lame

B25 has been nerfed unfairly

New german planes are nice however
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-12-2013, 22:12:42
matchmaking, why did you dissapear?

Have been playing rounds where 1 team is twice as big as the other, i have never seen so many jets in my life and played rounds where every nation is playing in my team.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 19-12-2013, 00:12:58
And now I have to struggle with my shitty FW "brick" planes against jets, and all Russian "bullshit" planes with "realistic" 1 shot kill 37 mm gun...  I've tried once mission - always I was shot with 1 bullet - my pilot got sniper shot or my plane got such damage that it couldn't fly... Pity that on that tier every fighter turn and fly faster than FW...  ::)

I think I'll go back to my 109 or simply wait for tanks update...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 19-12-2013, 02:12:06
New research is lame
Yeah let's make grindy game more grindy, cause that's a fun idea.
B25 has been nerfed unfairly

No shit, B25 is effin ruined.
Things that are more maneuverable than B25 include:
1) Catalina (it's a focking BOAT!)
2) Wellington
3) 747-800
4) Vatican City
If that's how this medium bomber-ground attack flown IRL (as claimed by devs), then respect for the crews because I have no idea how they were able to cope with this, earth has better roll rate than this shit!
Thanks for ruining my favorite bomber Gaijin.
New german planes are nice however
Yuuuup, 75mm bordkanone HERE WE GO!
I didn't play much 1.37 so I don't know how I feel about new FM's, I'll see tomorrow.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 19-12-2013, 02:12:08
... turn .... FW...
.

well there is your problem.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 19-12-2013, 04:12:33
A-20, P-47, what happened to them?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 19-12-2013, 06:12:41
This patch is eh. I can't get a good feel for it tbh
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 19-12-2013, 11:12:14
Just downloaded another patch, might fix some things.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 19-12-2013, 13:12:06
A-20, P-47, what happened to them?
A-20 actually feels a bit more maneuverable, or it might just be me, It's not worse than it was for sure.
P-47 feels roughly the same, but I can be wrong, I flew it only once.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-12-2013, 17:12:18
I have seen a B25 doing stuff up close. B-25 manouvered like a heavy fighter. so pretty darn good
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 19-12-2013, 17:12:18
I don't like the new research, but besides that, it's still awesome
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 19-12-2013, 18:12:53
Noooooo they took .50 cals from Beaufighter Mk X! Death to Gaijin!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-12-2013, 18:12:44
Thats good IMO
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 19-12-2013, 20:12:47
So I now can tech up faster if I just unvote the unlock on all aircraft and just choose to tech up to the next tier plane? I have enough researched on my G-10 ... so in this week I should be able to get to the 109 K then :).

If I got that right I can collect the XP for the 109K with every aircraft I have. So I´ll take the G-6 with the 3x30mm.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 19-12-2013, 20:12:58
Boy, they fucked the Mitchell up good!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 19-12-2013, 20:12:13
Flew my A6M5 Ko into an "Rb" match yesterday, we had a mig on our team, and the entire other team was... F80s, Migs, Panthers, etc. They only had like two props, it was horrifying yet somewhat fun. Managed to evade like 8 passes before I was the last one alive and I survived maybe two minutes before they all converged on me
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 20-12-2013, 00:12:11
How does the new system works?

I mean: does Realistic Battles (as they call to Historical Battles) gameplay will be the same? with planes divided by nations?

and will the siimulator battles remain nation vs nation? or arcade gameplay + full real battles controls?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 20-12-2013, 12:12:07
Well, because of this new patch i can now test fly 3 different jets. My question is, how do you land these? It seems that a very long glide is in order since they don't seem to loose any airspead at all and there are no airbrakes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 20-12-2013, 12:12:58
Is it just me or did the typhoon get much, much, much better. I can now dogfight effectively.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 22-12-2013, 23:12:56
http://imgur.com/a/5Mje2

LEAKS! tanks! upgrades! 250kg bombs landing at 3 meters and not doing shit!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 23-12-2013, 05:12:22
We are Staffel [762]!

(http://s24.postimg.org/mt4w03nip/762_Fly_Weeks_3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mt4w03nip/)

We are a fun and teamplay oriented squadron, as of today sporting 40 players.
We are aiming to help each other in gaining experience in air combat.
Responsible officers are JohnMcClane1 and ItsMisterToYou.

(http://s8.postimg.org/wj554kms1/shot_2013_12_23_05_43_06.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/wj554kms1/)

Fly with us, if you like join us. Stop by on TS3 to talk to us, you find us at:
http://www.762-ranking.de/forum/showthread.php?1054-We-are-Staffel-762-fly-with-us!

(http://s18.postimg.org/7gw19v6o5/shot_2013_12_08_02_15_39.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/7gw19v6o5/)


Shoot you soon! o7
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 23-12-2013, 06:12:18
can I join
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 23-12-2013, 07:12:27
Hello Tankbuster,

sure, just send an application ingame (game menu --> squadrons --> seach for 762) and one of the officers will add you. You will see a squadron tab in your ingame chat window showing you who else is online.
Stop by on Teamspeak and say hello!

Regards,
Odium.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 23-12-2013, 12:12:50
Is it possible to be made somekind of a "clan battle"? (altough we are organized in squads, but you know what i mean)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 23-12-2013, 13:12:08
Well there is a certain FHC that I would like to fly a 4v4 against ... :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 23-12-2013, 13:12:44
Bring it! ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 25-12-2013, 01:12:28
RIP FHA, never made it to WT
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 25-12-2013, 11:12:02
Well there is a certain FHC that I would like to fly a 4v4 against ... :)

Just tell me wen the match is - there is 90% probability than i migh be able to be present - but you must warning me before.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 25-12-2013, 12:12:36
RIP FHA, never made it to WT

stop it you're making my eyes sweat  :'(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 25-12-2013, 14:12:39
What is FHA and FHC?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 25-12-2013, 14:12:37
Forgotten Hope Alliance
Forgotten Hope Community
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 26-12-2013, 00:12:53
RIP FHA, never made it to WT

stop it you're making my eyes sweat  :'(

I miss hopping onto TS when I could and running around in WoT with you and everyone joking about humbug saying fjor instead of four  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-12-2013, 03:12:30
RIP FHA, never made it to WT

stop it you're making my eyes sweat  :'(

I miss hopping onto TS when I could and running around in WoT with you and everyone joking about humbug saying fjor instead of four  ;D
Awww yeah,and going into one match with 8-9 players, and then hunting each other instead of playing the game "properly", those were good times. :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 26-12-2013, 10:12:33
When we'd all go and ram each other on opp teams in the middle of the match, playing bumper cars to our deaths ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 26-12-2013, 12:12:51
is anyone up for some test-flights in WT?
Such as flying side by side with enemy bombers (1v1) and trying to shoot eachother down with the gunners, and trying to knock a plane out of the sky by bumping his wings (Like the RAF disabled V1s)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 26-12-2013, 19:12:49
Saw an H6K shoot down a PBY on todays event.

E: Tank gameplay stream at http://www.twitch.tv/warthunder
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 26-12-2013, 20:12:34
Well, this is my official arrival. any hints for a newb? :)

(http://oi43.tinypic.com/5maj4n.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 26-12-2013, 20:12:46
Gun Convergence matters on every gamemode. Play smart, try to engage in packs or one plane at a time. Historical Realistic battles earn you more money but repair costs increase accordingly, I strongly advise to turn off auto-repair. Events usually have Realistic or Simulation Battles, and earn even more money and usually have a selected plane list of planes actually used in those battles.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 26-12-2013, 21:12:52
Call all your friends and say you will go on a big trip in Africa and will be out of cell phone reach, call work and tell them you can't come in with a hernia (a corupt doctor is needed for this) for the next 6 weeks. Buy a ton a quick to make food. Close all curtains. Get started with your new favourite game.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-12-2013, 21:12:08
Don't play US, get used to grinding, and some major derpness thats in this game, that and pretty much what everyone else said :D.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 26-12-2013, 23:12:54
To be honest, what is the point of the events? you get 5% more, sure, but the teams are often not very balanced.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 27-12-2013, 00:12:38
Set your gun convergence to 300m (on every aircraft).

As a German try to get to the 109s asap.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 27-12-2013, 01:12:51
Set your gun convergence to 300m (on every aircraft).

What is the advantage of that?

(my guns must be at 800 i guess..)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 27-12-2013, 02:12:04
Because close range convergence = massacre
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 27-12-2013, 03:12:56
300 is the golden spot. 400 for major BnZ
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 27-12-2013, 03:12:40
Wait what? Like, 300 is better than 400 but 400 is still good enough for BnZ?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 27-12-2013, 04:12:16
I use 400 for pure bnz in arcade,  300 for most planes in AB and HB and I even use 250 for zeroes in HB.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 27-12-2013, 04:12:07
Play as Russians. Their bombers are fighters with tank armor and many bombs.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 27-12-2013, 06:12:29
Do I use the p 47 -25 or the p47 -28?

Use both. The only difference with the other variant is just 1 km/h of difference.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 27-12-2013, 06:12:09
Fly ponies!! Set convergence to 1,5km!!! Use rockets for downing fighters!
Read through 20 pages of this forum getting contradicting advice.

Srsly:
Just join a squadron (FHC, 762, [not FuFu, people are egotists there]), get on teamspeak and have someone talk you through the basics. That is faster and easier to understand. When people see how you fly they can give you more advice and help you out better than here in the forum.

Without a squad:
(http://s28.postimg.org/a74suwa9l/shot_2013_06_01_14_09_38.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/a74suwa9l/)
With a squad:
(http://s28.postimg.org/qguyxskxl/shot_2013_08_19_19_20_28.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qguyxskxl/)

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 27-12-2013, 07:12:28
Ok, I want to know how I should use attack aircraft in Historical battle. They have no bombing reticule. Any suggestions would be nice.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 27-12-2013, 08:12:33
You're in our squadron already, just hop on TS, I can explain. :)
www.762-ranking.de ---> Ts3 button.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 03-01-2014, 02:01:07
Superior War Thunder distroying inferior World of Tanks tanks, KV-1 icons!

(http://i.imgur.com/LhYSHtM.gif)

Internet ad

I will give this WT a second chance.

I used to fly with a joystick but it sucked, tried to fly with a mouse while I found it easier to aim it was still pretty bad.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 03-01-2014, 03:01:50
I tried to play that...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 03-01-2014, 19:01:47
30 minutes of high quality garage exploration and some gameplay. :)
edit: OF TANKS!

http://youtu.be/VuoLIYG2c-k
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 03-01-2014, 19:01:49


I will give this WT a second chance.

I used to fly with a joystick but it sucked, tried to fly with a mouse while I found it easier to aim it was still pretty bad.

yes, WT with a joystick simply sucks. Can't stop the aircraft from "wiggling", making aiming impossible. With a mouse it's simple to aim, but harder to manoeuvre. I really wished that they would do something to the joystick controls, but alas...

still , flying with mouse is not to bad I suppose, but it simply feels like you're not flying the aircraft, you are just pointing to the spot you want your aircraft to go. 
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 03-01-2014, 20:01:39
  Glad I was not the only one that found the mouse controls sucked balls.  I actually did my best with a shitty PS2 controller.  I will give this a hard look when it comes to PS4 in NA (Right now only the Euro types get it on PS4).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 03-01-2014, 20:01:21
I just use a mouse keyboard combo, doing most things manually. works really good.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 03-01-2014, 20:01:50
I use a keyboard when making hard turns and getting behind someone, switch to mouse to aim.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 04-01-2014, 03:01:05
That is basically how you are supposed to fly with M+Kb, the keyboard makes hard turns much better than the instructor
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 06-01-2014, 13:01:58
How do you recommend to distribute the skill points for the crews? There are basic pilot skills featuring view range, awareness, g-force tollerance and vitality; and then there are gunner skills and ground crew. And when is it useful to train them to experts for a plane? Always? Are there any cons about this?

And how many crew slots do you recommend? I believe most people got 3 or 4 slots only, I got 5 crews and I still got 240 gold, while a 6th crew would be available for 200 gold. But I believe it is a bit late to buy a 6th crew as it would always be behind the others in skill. Any hints?

(http://oi43.tinypic.com/30ij7ty.jpg)

(http://oi41.tinypic.com/2w6tqn5.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 06-01-2014, 13:01:42
1) Do not spend the gold on crew training. Spend it on crew slots! Choose your favorite faction and get a 6th pilot slot there. Eventually you will level up the crew on par with the others.

Later in the game you will find the 5 slots to become an annoyance and way too restrictive. With all the different aircraft to choose from, 5 slots just don´t cut it.

Also you can stay longer in the (arcade-) game with an aircraft more.


2) The thing I skill first on any aircraft is the reload speed (until it costs 10 points), then I skill the pilot. the three most important skills for fighters imo are "keen vision", "awareness" and " reload time". To some extend G-tolerance comes in handy.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: sn00x on 06-01-2014, 13:01:35
So i got.. allot of planes, and a stug3, pz iv F2, pz I AA, and so on. hurrdurr i love groundforces.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 06-01-2014, 13:01:16
Sorry?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 06-01-2014, 21:01:29
GF looks fun. Saw a video a buddy linked to me where a flakpanzer took on an H6K4  ;D


The H6K4 won while the streamer was distracted but it was cool.


Dukat, if you play mostly AB, all you need are keen vision, vitality (prevent dem pilot snipes on you a little) and the other vision one. That way you can spot far off foes, be mostly invisible, and be resistant to bullets a little more than the average pilot. G-forces and stamina aren't quite at important. G-forces are important if you play with burn n turn fights or just turn fight in general in a high G environment though
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 06-01-2014, 23:01:55
Amigo Hi, teach me how to be a great pilot on WT as I teached you how to be a great Stalker in STALKER.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 07-01-2014, 01:01:01
Hmm. I have yet to find reload speed. Are you talking about reload speed in mid-air or about reload speed after having landed on a runway? Will look into this and report back.

Currently I play mostly Arcade, basically because the wait is so long for Historical Missions. But in general those are fun as well. I just happen to rip off one of the landing gears from my Ju 87, each flight. I still need to practice how to fly without ripping the airplane into 2 parts.

But I abuse the flight dynamics in Arcade mode as much as possible. Like diving with the Ju 87 full speed, at 700 km/h, from 5500 feet, down onto the target, just to pull up and take the remaining speed to climb back to 2800 feet.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 07-01-2014, 04:01:32
Amigo Hi, teach me how to be a great pilot on WT as I teached you how to be a great Stalker in STALKER.


And a good teacher you were my friend. What mode do you mainly play? What tree do you like to focus on generally?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 07-01-2014, 15:01:33

Currently I play mostly Arcade, basically because the wait is so long for Historical Missions. But in general those are fun as well. I just happen to rip off one of the landing gears from my Ju 87, each flight. I still need to practice how to fly without ripping the airplane into 2 parts.


Well, you have airbrakes for a reason, that Stuka cant dive as fast as you would think.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 07-01-2014, 17:01:19
Amigo Hi, teach me how to be a great pilot on WT as I teached you how to be a great Stalker in STALKER.


And a good teacher you were my friend. What mode do you mainly play? What tree do you like to focus on generally?

I used to play AB, but could jump into historicals or realism or whatever they are called. I was a dedicated Japanese player and I was aiming for the 262 and Komet on the German tree. I need to reinstall the game though, but first I have to defrag my disk so yeah.

I need to pretty much understand even the most basic game mechanics. I have +360 hours on IL-2 Sturmovik, if that helps, with a small but quite effective online record.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 07-01-2014, 17:01:38
This game has become too Grindy. Oh god. I cannot keep doing this.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 07-01-2014, 18:01:54
Hmm. I have yet to find reload speed. Are you talking about reload speed in mid-air or about reload speed after having landed on a runway? Will look into this and report back.

It's under the crew tab. It decreases reloading time on airfields, but for AB it also decreases loading time in the air. Machineguns, cannons, bombs and rockets all reload faster.

It's also one of the skills that get the bonus when you veteran or ace the pilot to a specific aircraft.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 08-01-2014, 00:01:41
You may like RB or SB in WT Tor. Especially if you like to play with a joystick for SB.


If you prefer AB, lemme know what planes you have in your line up
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 08-01-2014, 01:01:17
Well, you have airbrakes for a reason, that Stuka cant dive as fast as you would think.

I wasn't that fast, but I think I lost the gears when I actually pulled her up again. Hmm. Maybe i was too fast in the end. :-\



And I paid 7k silver each for training the crews for their specific airplanes, gives a great boost to some skills, was definitely worth the money.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 08-01-2014, 06:01:40

I wasn't that fast, but I think I lost the gears when I actually pulled her up again. Hmm. Maybe i was too fast in the end. :-\


I know that feel bro.

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/p200x200/1005319_568360753247756_340167344_n.jpg)

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p200x200/1493132_568360683247763_962350646_n.jpg)

it looks somekind like an "German F4U Corsair" tough..  8)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 13-01-2014, 09:01:52
Did anyone get access to ground forces here?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: DLFReporter on 20-01-2014, 09:01:10
Nope. I was playing with the idea of buying a tank pack to get into the CBT, but spending 50€ for a biweekly test that goes from 14:00-18:00 my time isn't mine.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 22-01-2014, 23:01:06
Last night I had my most satisfactory "kill" with my Japanese paperplane.

It was a normal day for me, a bomber hunter, so I was shot down after three kills in my Ki-45 Toryu otsu, they still had bombers up so I picked up my Ki-45 ko, chased a PBY around, but got too close to him, I tried to avoid ramming, I kinda did...., I rammed him yes (It wasn't my intention, rammers have small penis) he lost his tail, my right engine died and that's it, I landed and was up again after a minute.

But also the most disappointing, bombing a medium tanks and AAA column with the D3A1 on this map with Grozny in it and getting sniped by an AAA, early in the match.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 23-01-2014, 08:01:09
I haz the Focke Wulf 190. ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 23-01-2014, 18:01:46
I haz the Focke Wulf 190. ;D
My sincerest condolences.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hitm4k3r on 23-01-2014, 18:01:01
Yep, just got it and started playing it. Piece of crap. If you don't have the upgrades you can barely keep up with a Beaufort bot and the engine is overheating permanently. At 6k you should be able to reach something like 650 km/h but you will not be able to get far over 500 without any upgrades. Upgrades will give you something like 550 km/h according to the data sheet. I don't know what they are smoking while programming the game.

"Oh lez see, a powerful german aircraft. Lez take away 100 km/h max zpeed to make it lez powerful"  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-01-2014, 18:01:35
I haz the Focke Wulf 190. ;D
My sincerest condolences.
Depends

if he does not boom and zoom, then yeah he fucked
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 23-01-2014, 18:01:31
I can boom pretty well with 4 20 mm cannons, the zooming leaves much to be desired. At least I am not abusing the Russian UFOs. Seriously, the YaK 9T is so imba that the soviets wouldn't need Jet planes IRL if they had this plane. I just hope the FW engine is fixed along with the BF 109 engine. Seriously WTF Gaijin, fix my planes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-01-2014, 19:01:25
I think the problem with the FW190 is that its turning and climbing is way to low. I know the ME109 was a better climber and turner, but heck the FW190 deserves better then this.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 23-01-2014, 19:01:58
If they make a russian premium FW then they will fix it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 23-01-2014, 19:01:51
Right now your best advice is to ignore the FW-190 and just go down the BF 109 tree. Everything the FW can do, the BF can do better: Climbing, burst mass (3x30mm), speed, maneuverability. Even the multiplier is higher on the later BFs.

Right now you should only buy any FW if you have some serious fetish about that aircraft or are masochistic.

I don´t know whether it´s possible to fully skip the FWs though. I don´t know how many Tier 3/4 aircraft are required to continue researching the 109 G10 and K. Luckily, I already have those.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 23-01-2014, 20:01:44
I planned on using my Focke Wulf until glory, but it seems I will have to go back to the Murican techtree, grind my way towards the P51 and then the Shooting Star.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 24-01-2014, 13:01:40
Looks like they introduced heavier tanks into the beta:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyNkgSjV6Mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVySLKRQF0Q  (Just look how the skirts are falling off that Panzer IV @ 8:30)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 24-01-2014, 14:01:48
If they make a russian premium FW then they will fix it.

there actually already is one ..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 29-01-2014, 20:01:44
I marked the Me109 G6 for research but I've flown a number of missions today and the research didn't move an inch, why isn't it researching, am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 29-01-2014, 20:01:12
I marked the Me109 G6 for research but I've flown a number of missions today and the research didn't move an inch, why isn't it researching, am I doing something wrong?
Welcome to patch 1.37 grind, :D. Some nerd did the math, and seems they have reduced exp gain 5 times or something (might be wrong though but it sure feels close). Fork out yer euros, scrub! (or maybe you don't fly the right planes for optimal research)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 29-01-2014, 21:01:37
I marked the Me109 G6 for research but I've flown a number of missions today and the research didn't move an inch, why isn't it researching, am I doing something wrong?
Welcome to patch 1.37 grind, :D. Some nerd did the math, and seems they have reduced exp gain 5 times or something (might be wrong though but it sure feels close). Fork out yer euros, scrub! (or maybe you don't fly the right planes for optimal research)

Yeah.. 1 gold = 40 xp or something, so they made also the converting a lot more expensive. It's just too grindy to play now either way to be exciting.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 30-01-2014, 01:01:08
That explains why grinding is suddenly so slow.  :-\
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: sn00x on 30-01-2014, 09:01:26
Did anyone get access to ground forces here?

Yup.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 30-01-2014, 19:01:02
Leak, damn you! ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: sn00x on 05-02-2014, 00:02:35
Had a wonderfull stroll in my 38 (t) today!  ;)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 05-02-2014, 00:02:37
#iamsojelly
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: sn00x on 05-02-2014, 01:02:24
And i know for sure that Flippy is gonna flip when he sees the Karelia map
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 05-02-2014, 01:02:12
I dont play WT or WoT, why would I give two shits?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Gezoes on 07-02-2014, 11:02:52
We don't care, stop polluting the thread.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 07-02-2014, 22:02:59
Dev team answered some questions (http://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1x7ep3/war_thunder_team_ama/)

There is also speculation of the Germans getting the Mig15bis
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 07-02-2014, 23:02:24
I don´t get some of the bullshit they are doing. The end of tech tree Migs were overpowered to begin with. the retarded thing is that they wanted to balance the 262s. But instead of balancing it, they went over the top with the Mig having more than 1000 km/h. Now it´s not only imbalanced, no the timeline is bullocks and Germans don´t have the fastest, but the slowest aircraft on high tiers. Migs for the Germans? No thanks.

A friend of mine is in the tank beta. He told me they are "trying to match things historically accurate". So the first T-34 model gets matched versus Panzer 38t and Panzer IIs. What kind of bullshit is that? I would agree on that if they were consequent.

I bet the Panther G has to fight IS-3s... :-X
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 08-02-2014, 00:02:28
I don´t get some of the bullshit they are doing. The end of tech tree Migs were overpowered to begin with. the retarded thing is that they wanted to balance the 262s. But instead of balancing it, they went over the top with the Mig having more than 1000 km/h. Now it´s not only imbalanced, no the timeline is bullocks and Germans don´t have the fastest, but the slowest aircraft on high tiers. Migs for the Germans? No thanks.

A friend of mine is in the tank beta. He told me they are "trying to match things historically accurate". So the first T-34 model gets matched versus Panzer 38t and Panzer IIs. What kind of bullshit is that? I would agree on that if they were consequent.

I bet the Panther G has to fight IS-3s... :-X

IS-3?, IS-3, IS-4 and T-54 comrade.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 08-02-2014, 00:02:38
I bet the Panther G has to fight IS-3s... :-X

IS-3?, IS-3, IS-4 and T-54 comrade.

Don't think so, I think the Tigers and Panthers are matched against an IS-2 at best.
The IS-3, IS-4 and T-54 are matched against Tiger II, Tiger II 105mm, Panther F (smallturm and 88mm) and Panther II.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 08-02-2014, 02:02:28
I bet the Panther G has to fight IS-3s... :-X

IS-3?, IS-3, IS-4 and T-54 comrade.

Don't think so, I think the Tigers and Panthers are matched against an IS-2 at best.
The IS-3, IS-4 and T-54 are matched against Tiger II, Tiger II 105mm, Panther F (smallturm and 88mm) and Panther II.
Which would still mean: No fun with a historical accurate King Tiger. It´s the same like the shit ME262 atm fighting post war stuff. The best things of the war become utter shit just because they get matched vs stuff from the 1950ies for "balance".
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 08-02-2014, 05:02:30
Permanent sixth tier for Korean war NOW PLEASE
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 08-02-2014, 08:02:43
Man I really want a Schwalbe, but I don't feel like going up against Sabres and 15s, hell, does the Mustang see Schwalbes in their battles?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 08-02-2014, 11:02:56
Which would still mean: No fun with a historical accurate King Tiger. It´s the same like the shit ME262 atm fighting post war stuff. The best things of the war become utter shit just because they get matched vs stuff from the 1950ies for "balance".

Well first of all these tanks are 1945-1946 (T-54s are prototypes). Unlike the planes, the heavy IS tanks are stuck with an obsolete gun; the 122mm from the IS-2. The only thing they have going is armor, and that's only frontal armor. The Germans will have high accuracy high penetration guns. Currently in beta the Tiger is wrecking everything including IS tanks. I really wouldn't worry about it that much.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-02-2014, 13:02:14
From what i have heard, things are actually pretty well balanced. Especially late tier.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 08-02-2014, 21:02:40
There has been discussion by the devs to add three or so years to the cut off date for certain trees, so that all nations get a roughly equally tiered jet for end game
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 08-02-2014, 21:02:40
The only thing I want now for Germany is the addition of the F86 Sabre; it was in use with the German Bundeswehr after WW2 and it was the first jet in service, supplied by the US.

The Me262 and the M163 are unsuitable against the late Korean war jets of the Russians and the Americans.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 08-02-2014, 22:02:28
The only thing I want now for Germany is the addition of the F86 Sabre; it was in use with the German Bundeswehr after WW2 and it was the first jet in service, supplied by the US.

The Me262 and the M163 are unsuitable against the late Korean war jets of the Russians and the Americans.
Or better add some more variants of the Me-262. Right now if you lose your Meteor, Mig, Sabre, you have plenty in reserve. Germans only have that thing and two other things of which one can fly 6 minutes. There were Me262s with 50mm guns tested. Me262s with bombs etc.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 08-02-2014, 22:02:09
Just give Germans the Ta-183 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_183) and everything will be fine. Somewhat. Maybe buff the climbrate and speed just a little.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 08-02-2014, 23:02:55
MIGs with East German markings.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 09-02-2014, 21:02:41
The german skinned F86 looks awesome. Hoping for that tbh
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 15-02-2014, 08:02:51
I fucking love Toryu.

I'm going to Toryu the shit out of Mitchells and SBs made of StalinWood and defended by StalinSniperTurret.


Fun, my plane downs a Havoc, while he is going down (No more than 500m from ground), without a tail totally dead, he snipes my pilot.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 16-02-2014, 18:02:03
I just leave this here because it had not been posted yet.

(http://warthunder.com/upload/image/media/tanks/!ussr_tank_tree_eng.jpg)

(http://warthunder.com/upload/image/media/tanks/!ger_tank_tree_eng.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 16-02-2014, 19:02:12
Not too many space age tanks yet. Looks really interesting. Did anyone try the beta yet?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 18-02-2014, 23:02:29
My buddy and me just had it with the Russian chat-comments today. For every Cyrilic message we found in the chat we answered (politely) in German. The results were hilarious. People got really angry.

It´s like the Russian players expect you to speak Russian and refuse to speak English all the way through the game. And they are on every server. ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 18-02-2014, 23:02:51
Yeah I don't know what their problem is ??? ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 19-02-2014, 05:02:56
Yeah, I always thought what the hell were cyrillic messages doing in the EU and US Servers.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 22-02-2014, 06:02:03
Tankbuster, I never see you on our TS and you don't join our squads...

(http://www.wildstaronline.de/attachments/you-make-bunny-cry-jpg.479/)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 22-02-2014, 17:02:27
Yeah, about that, I need my mic to talk to my dad, and I never see anyone online too.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 22-02-2014, 18:02:39
Has anyone else totally lost interest for this game after 1.37? Seeing ONE pixel move on the research bar for the next plane is so demoralizing.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 22-02-2014, 18:02:41
Yes, very much so. Progress in the tree for me seems to have become at least 10 times slower. How are you suppose to unlock jets when i can only play an hour a day. I will take me months just to research 1 of them.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 22-02-2014, 19:02:12
Agreed, they are milking the players now. P63 spam does also not help.

Insane compressibility and overheating speeds for Germans, while La7s just will not lock up at any diving speed and P51s can WEP all game do not help the gameplay either. Better not get me started about putting German jets of 1944 against 1948 Sabres and F80c fighters...

But as I hear, next patch, basically every nation will have either Sabres or MiG15...problem solved..."yippie".

@Tankbuster: just check the squadron tab or hop on TS. There is almost always someone there, you don't need to talk, just listening helps. We have some people with no microphone already :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 22-02-2014, 19:02:47
sorry, double post.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 22-02-2014, 19:02:16
What are you talking about, the P-51 is a turd with wings attached.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 22-02-2014, 19:02:39
Not since 1.37. Better acceleration, retains speed  very well, diving speed without breaking wings is great and it does hardly suffer from compressibility. Try it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 23-02-2014, 01:02:44
Has anyone else totally lost interest for this game after 1.37? Seeing ONE pixel move on the research bar for the next plane is so demoralizing.

Erm. No. Actually, I think totally different about the game.

Basically I fly a tier until the last modification for the last airplane has been developed. Then I move all of my 5 crews to the next tier.
After having finished grinding the last modifications for my last 5 planes on tier 2, I had already researched the next 5 planes on tier 3. My problem was that I could not afford to buy and to assign crews to the new airplanes because I lacked the credits.

I have returned to tier 1 quite a while now, further researching tier 3 airplanes. It is not very fast, but progress is being made. It actually feels faster than researching the unlock for all decal spots using the Marcolins CR.42CN.

Due to the low speed it is very relaxing to fly those tier 1 planes. And the diversity of planes is greatest: maneuverable biplanes, sedate destroyer aiplanes, divebombers, level bombers and fighter aircraft. All of them in the initial stage, kind of raw, with very different behavior and handling. Like a large bomber being a tough enemy for a small biplane. And the ground targets can usually be destroyed by all kinds of airplanes, as it is mostly unarmored vehicles and units.

In the end this makes me wonder: Why should I fly any other tier than tier 1, if tier 1 is the most fun while tier 5 appears to be dreadful. Why should I buy gold? Whatfor should I spend gold on? I'm unlocking the skins and decals while flying. I'm training crews while flying. You don't have to buy additional crews for gold, as the number of crews is totally unimportant and 5 crews is more than enough for a 10 minutes arcade game.  Maybe the premium planes are fun, but I'm not going to test it either. The last time I saw such a shitty revenue model for a F2P game, the game was discontinued.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 23-02-2014, 03:02:50
Well finally. Eastern Germany will receive some jets to compensate for the lack of good jets. Now we only need the F86 Sabre for western germany.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 23-02-2014, 05:02:48
Not since 1.37. Better acceleration, retains speed  very well, diving speed without breaking wings is great and it does hardly suffer from compressibility. Try it.

it still is a flying turd. Glorious soviet planes climb up and ambush you at 7000 M from nowhere.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: :| Hi on 24-02-2014, 04:02:06
It was confirmed by devs that Germans will get the Canadair Mk.5 Sabre, and a Mig15Bis. Since they were both employed by divided Germany.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 24-02-2014, 12:02:36
So in historical battles we are going to see 262s from the third Reich flying together with jets from the communist puppet state in eastern Germany and Sabres from democratic west Germany in one team. I hope I´m not the only one who thinks that is silly. ^^
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 24-02-2014, 14:02:47
So if Germany gets the Candair Sabres, shouldn't the Brits get the Folland Gnat?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 24-02-2014, 18:02:56
So in historical battles we are going to see 262s from the third Reich flying together with jets from the communist puppet state in eastern Germany and Sabres from democratic west Germany in one team. I hope I´m not the only one who thinks that is silly. ^^

Yeah... hoewer, its also silly to see some Soviet "World War 1 airplanes" figthing against Germans "WW1 Airplanes" in battle for Berlin  :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 24-02-2014, 23:02:17
There are no WW1 Airplanes in WT, secondly yes, it's just as silly, and shouldn't happen in "historical battles"..
apart from the fact that game mode doesn't exist anymore, so yeah...
That doesn't change the fact that IMO all jets should be removed from the game/moved to a completely separate MM from prop planes, Maybe apart from Me-262, just maybe though.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 26-02-2014, 19:02:47
Don't forget the Arado 234! It's sad that it gets tiered to planes 200 km/h faster when it's only defense is speed.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 28-02-2014, 12:02:27
Anybody else having problems with B17 recently? In the week I was playing, I encountered about 10 B17s and 4 of them gave me an engine damage, while attacking them 1v1.

I´m going to tech for those now. ^^
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 28-02-2014, 17:02:13
Butcher OP please nerf him.

:P

No really they pimped the B17 big time in 1.37. Fires extinguish, it turns better, accelerates better, has higher diving speed, the .50 MGs have been boosted in their damage output for a 3rd time in a patch now. Also - no more falling off wings the moment you hit them with a single 30mm projectile. That helps the most I think :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 28-02-2014, 21:02:29
The spoils of my last game.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/1_zps130d7511.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/1_zps130d7511.png.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/4_zps8873164f.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/4_zps8873164f.png.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/5_zpsce048c46.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/5_zpsce048c46.png.html)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 01-03-2014, 01:03:52
awesome pics man!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Korsakov829 on 01-03-2014, 02:03:15
Oh, Americans vs Germans over what looks to be China, with a plane from 1945 none the less.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 01-03-2014, 05:03:30
Ground Strike: Rice Terraces.

Every match in the Berlin Alternate History map is soviets always win. The Yak-9 is an OP Plane.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 01-03-2014, 06:03:07
No shit. Russian developers. While in real life that Yak9T and its variants could be very fast with a fast climb rate due having a very lightweight structure, it takes an amounts of bullshit to say that they take an huge punishment like a tank would do. Many people that fly russian planes say the same thing, make them more prone to be destroyed than other aircraft due the low armor and lightweight frame. It's like some Spitfires in the game which were famous for having a better climb rate, speed and maneuverability than BF109's and in the game many fly like turtles.

Oh! And here, more pics:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/10_zps51c21331.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/10_zps51c21331.png.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/7_zpsc293ad34.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/7_zpsc293ad34.png.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/9_zps95f5cec9.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/9_zps95f5cec9.png.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/13_zpsa1bc8728.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/13_zpsa1bc8728.png.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/15_zps2ff95482.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/15_zps2ff95482.png.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/14_zpsab31d041.png) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/14_zpsab31d041.png.html)

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 04-03-2014, 15:03:21
I just unlocked the Arado 234 and I could never eat as much as I want to puke right now. First getting killed by a Mig 9 after one minute. Second round: Sabre gets me after dropping one bomb. Bullshit, total utter bullshit. Give Germans a fucking Eurofighter, the timeline is shit anyway. >:(

I reached the end of tech tree now and I think I´m done with this game for good. At least until tanks arrive.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 04-03-2014, 16:03:30
Wow, you're tough Butcher, I wouldn't be able to be bothered to grind that far. :D. Like I said, separate game mode for jets, otherwise it's just pointless to go high tier.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 16-03-2014, 16:03:57
After driving in my Stug3 F around a bit i must say that it is pretty epic tank, also like the models a lot.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: DaWorg! on 16-03-2014, 23:03:48
Oh, Americans vs Germans over what looks to be China, with a plane from 1945 none the less.

One of the things that killed the game for me
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 22-03-2014, 20:03:16
Is there any kind of FH2 channel in the game and the ground forces beta?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 22-03-2014, 20:03:27
Welp, we have a Forgotten Hope Community squadron, and it's got it's own channel, and i think there was a "regular" channel as well, though no one goes there anyway. Probably doesn't exist in the ground forces beta.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 22-03-2014, 22:03:59
Apparently now you can pay 20 dollars to get into the ground forces beta with two basic vehicles and 2000 gold eagles. Tempting, but I rather just wait.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 22-03-2014, 23:03:22
Welp, we have a Forgotten Hope Community squadron, and it's got it's own channel, and i think there was a "regular" channel as well, though no one goes there anyway. Probably doesn't exist in the ground forces beta.

Want to join. NAOW
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 23-03-2014, 02:03:36
Also, there is the FH teamspeak 3 that we at least used to use and probably still use in FH2 betatesting, if you want to use better voicecoms. Normal channels are open, beta TS has a a password so no worries, you don't get to hear spoilers ;)

85.25.95.195:4128

Other option is of course to use 762 teamspeak (http://www.762-ranking.de/forum/showthread.php?4-Teamspeak-3-Server), which they probably let us :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 23-03-2014, 05:03:11
Sure you are welcome on our TS! You could also hop on and say hello, Ciupita...
Fair Player, H-J-aldrgud and Perniczech have been stopping by already to fly with us.
And: you could fly alongside Nelenna ;)



(http://www.tsviewer.com/promotion/dynamic_sig/sig.php/clan160x283_all/936219.png)

 (http://www.762-ranking.de/forum/showthread.php?4-Teamspeak-3-Server)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 23-03-2014, 20:03:10
Stupid question but I cant find this info anywhere. How the hell do you adjust the sights for bullet drop? Im playing historical and realistic and all I can do is to guess.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 23-03-2014, 21:03:18
It's right there in the spawn screen. You select your zeroing, and that zeroing should work both horizontally (for making wing mounted guns hit the same spot) and vertically. Adjusting the sights mid-flight isn't possible.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 25-03-2014, 20:03:59
So I got into the tank CBT... well, it's not bad. However I'm used to destroying tanks by shooting their tracks (hello FH2) which doesn't exactly work here ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yustax on 26-03-2014, 03:03:47
So I got into the tank CBT... well, it's not bad. However I'm used to destroying tanks by shooting their tracks (hello FH2) which doesn't exactly work here ;D

It does, you just need bigger calibers to destroy them in one shot, when you shoot at them with a low caliber, they get damaged, eventually you will destroy them with 3 well placed shots or so. Im using the PZ4 with the 75mm gun and I destroy T34 tracks in one shot.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 03-04-2014, 17:04:13
Got into CBT via code giveaway! :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 03-04-2014, 18:04:33
And i stopped playing the CBT since they did a stupid reset just when i had the tiger.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 10-04-2014, 21:04:31
So far, things have been fun in CBT. I like the way I feel completely helpless against T-34s in my Pz III, like the germans did in early Operation Barbarossa.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 11-04-2014, 06:04:42
How's the simulator battles on CBT? Do you have authentic tank scopes? Do you calculate the distance, then adjust the sight, or do you have to aim above?

Tonks is Gaijin's last chance of getting me hooked on WT again..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 11-04-2014, 07:04:33
Simulator battles are cool, your standard view is basically you looking out of the commanders hatch. There's no armor penetration indicator (which is similar to WoT, only found in arcade battles), no range indication on units so you basically eyeball the distance and fire. There are respawns on simulator mode as well, but they're vehicle specific. Like in the arcade battles you may get 2 to 3 respawns per vehicle.

Got seven kills in one match in my Stug III Ausf. A on "Jungle" map. Oh, and a slight warning: if your cannon breech is damaged, and you fire, there's a chance you blow yourself up. Or it's a bug.

No authentic sights (so far) but I think they're working on it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 11-04-2014, 11:04:24
Wait what?! That sounds awesome! Do you get those stupid red "HERES THE ENEMY BEHIND THE BUSH" indicators like you get in arcade?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 11-04-2014, 12:04:53
no you dont. I soooo want to try CBT but I have not payed anything in a f2p since last year, and 20€ its a bit too much :p
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 11-04-2014, 12:04:37
Note that the view from commanders hatch is EXACTLY like the one in FH2.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 11-04-2014, 14:04:29
That sounds sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. I still hate Gaijin but... wow. :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 11-04-2014, 16:04:31
You know what i really miss in this game? the option to put yourself on a fixed altitude. might not be accurate for the time, but it sure would be nice to have. Its kind of annoying sometimes while bombing for instance that you always climb.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 16-04-2014, 02:04:04
New patch, new stuff, grind not fixed, economy not pixed, but good news everyone! BF-110 is flyable now!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 16-04-2014, 10:04:45
Grind not fixed? everything is now 25% less grind. Its a serious start.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 16-04-2014, 16:04:40
yeeeyy got my MiG 3. Now i need to learn to properly zoom 'n boom with it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yronno on 20-04-2014, 19:04:58
When the War Thunder devs made skinning possible, one of my first projects was making a better Spitfire Mk. Vb trop camouflage. I thought I'd go ahead and share here since it's based on Forgotten Hope 2's in-game model.

(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af44/Yronno/Video%20Games/shot20140420133313.jpg)

(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/imagesfh2/vehicles/Supermarine%20Spitfire%20Mk.%20Vb/big.jpg)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6mw1mxcr0xui1iy/spitfire_mk5b%20Red%20Nose.zip
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 20-04-2014, 20:04:33
how do we make our own skins?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 20-04-2014, 21:04:27
IIRC: Go into the game, select the aircraft you want -> customization -> user made skins, then you'll be asked if you want to make a template, and it will be saved to you war thunder directory/UserSkins.
And then you photoshopz them skinz.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 20-04-2014, 23:04:40
Ok, so I bought the  last t4 usa plane in the sabre techtree, but now I cannot research T5?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 21-04-2014, 15:04:23
You need to buy a minimum number of aircraft from each tier before you can go to the next. You simply need to unlock more tier 4.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 21-04-2014, 17:04:58
ERMAGHERD IT WILL TAKE FOREVER,


Thanks.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 24-04-2014, 19:04:39
Grab it while you can lads!

http://www.pcgamesn.com/we-have-2000-war-thunder-keys-and-theres-only-eight-us-want-one

I got mine :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 24-04-2014, 20:04:38
Thanks for the tip!! Managed to get one!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 24-04-2014, 23:04:16
Grab it while you can lads!

http://www.pcgamesn.com/we-have-2000-war-thunder-keys-and-theres-only-eight-us-want-one

I got mine :D

Dammit, I saw it too late :(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 26-04-2014, 22:04:18
Got into the CBT. ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 27-04-2014, 09:04:28
Soooo I'm gonna be uninstalling World of Tanks since it's wasting disk space now.

War Thunder, even in 'crappy' beta status, is already so much more fun.  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 27-04-2014, 22:04:30
Don't know if the screenshots show it but i had one of my most spectacular kill assists today ever in this game. I was in presuit with a team mate and the enemy just blew up suddenly in front of us, and we both had to fly true the fireball since we where to close behind him. Felt great to see.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/15620.jpg)
(http://imgup.com/data/images/15621.jpg)
(http://imgup.com/data/images/15622.jpg)
(http://imgup.com/data/images/15623.jpg)
(http://imgup.com/data/images/15627.jpg)
(http://imgup.com/data/images/15625.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 28-04-2014, 14:04:18
I have to fly through bursting plane wrecks a lot when I'm in a german Destroyer (Me110, Do217). When people want to duel and engage me head on, I have no chance to avoid their airplanes, I just pull the trigger early and hope that they blew up to wrecks by the time they've reached me. With the nose armament given on destroyers, that is usually the case.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 28-04-2014, 16:04:44
I am not used to it, i am mostly a bomber or regular fighter. I only do head ons when i have at least 4 x 20mm.

I see them exploding from time to time, but this one caught me by surprise, also he was less then 150 meters in front of me at the time, from my view the fireball almost filled my screen
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 28-04-2014, 17:04:16
I miss this game, but I can't go back to the grind.

I miss going head on with my Zero against Beaufighters and pilot knock them. It's the easiest thing to do in the world. (well mabye not the easiest, but certainly not hard to pilot knock a beau)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 29-04-2014, 21:04:56
About the skinning aircraft:

is it possible to TOTTALY SKIN the aircraft?

Because im about to skin my Japanese Jets (the Ki-200; and the new American-Japanese cold war Jet) with my own Air Legion Force's symbols :D

I may show you some screens as well :)

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 30-04-2014, 00:04:40
I'm not sure, but I think that you must have active premium account for this...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 01-05-2014, 08:05:32
So, I have been trying GF for couple of days (thanks torenico). After trying all 3 modes, I ended up playing only simulator battles. Arcade and realistic feels just like very clumsy version of wot and if I want to cruise around in my tanks with 3rd person I'll play wot. Simulator battles however are really fun and the more realistic approach to tank movement fits better in more slow paced gameplay of simulator mode. Spotting mechanic in arcade and realistic also felt that enemy always knew where I was coming from and flanking or ambushing enemies felt very hard because of huge nameplate over my head.

If there was one thing I would change, remove kursk from rank 1 tanks  ::). It's bit stupid that bots drive around in T-34's and I'm in puny pz 38t.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 01-05-2014, 19:05:31
So, i am currently on progress of getting my first russian mig 9 and british meteor jet. I am curious how it is to play them online.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 01-05-2014, 22:05:08
So, I have been trying GF for couple of days (thanks torenico). After trying all 3 modes, I ended up playing only simulator battles. Arcade and realistic feels just like very clumsy version of wot and if I want to cruise around in my tanks with 3rd person I'll play wot. Simulator battles however are really fun and the more realistic approach to tank movement fits better in more slow paced gameplay of simulator mode. Spotting mechanic in arcade and realistic also felt that enemy always knew where I was coming from and flanking or ambushing enemies felt very hard because of huge nameplate over my head.

After reading this I also gave simulator battle a try, and holy shit. Battle at Kursk in my Panther was amazing. After only one match I feel safe to conclude this gamemode is by far the best and coolest, at least for bigger tanks (who continuously oneshot eachother from half the map away in the other modes). I had terrible trouble aiming and seeing anything through all the smoke but I managed to get a 27 kill streak, lol. Just the entire battle with dozens of AI tanks mixed in was really epic. It also gives a huge amount of research points.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Damaso on 02-05-2014, 16:05:06
So yeah: i finaly made my way and skinned the shit out of my N1K2 Japanese aircraft, in order to make an skin of my future "Legionary's Air Forces" (its typen in portuguese over there)  ;D

Check it out:

N1K2 from L.A.F. outside the Hangar.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t31.0-8/10293562_623776937706137_2716391308301800481_o.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. outside the Hangar.
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10151142_623776967706134_6316049739886642986_n.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. ready to take off over Peleilu's airfield.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31.0-8/1075463_623777091039455_1719207665287707512_o.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. after an sucessfull training dive bombing over Peleilu Airfield.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31.0-8/10256614_623777244372773_4576047702947306576_o.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. flying over Peleilu's Airfield.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t31.0-8/856313_623777237706107_3405241882026946164_o.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. flying over the sea.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31.0-8/1557206_623777207706110_6602955443001621385_o.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. aiming towards an B-17 under AA fire.
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/10269045_623776984372799_5429618634369481624_o.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. engaging an B-17 under heavy AA fire.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31.0-8/10298412_623777164372781_2303320316033187043_o.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. losing a tail wile the B-17 fuel tank gets shot at by the N1K2.
(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/902080_623777167706114_439087550997070958_o.jpg)

N1K2 from L.A.F. lost the tail and buring his fuel tank - mayday mode.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1461699_623776541039510_4204393355684048162_n.jpg)


All the unknow isignias were made by myself - they are the Legion's/Party logo's.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 03-05-2014, 15:05:15
A new era, wish me luck.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/15934.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 03-05-2014, 17:05:39
Good job
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 04-05-2014, 11:05:56
Holy mother of god those me 163 are a annoying pest. ridiculous. i did not mind them that much in my b-24, since they go down easily, but when you meet them in a meteor, they are just a whole different class..... and there are so many of them!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 04-05-2014, 12:05:39
Holy mother of god those me 163 are a annoying pest. ridiculous. i did not mind them that much in my b-24, since they go down easily, but when you meet them in a meteor, they are just a whole different class..... and there are so many of them!
I unlocked the ME 163 now that grinding is faster. They are actually the best German aircraft. Fully upgraded their climbrate is insane. Keep in mind that they only are in the air 6:30 mins.

However I also aced the crew and now with a perfect landing (e. g. you are lucky and it doesn´t blow up) it takes 10 secs to repair. If it blows up with that bug it takes a minute.

Also the first Meteor - like the 262 - is shit.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 04-05-2014, 14:05:43
Since i have the 109k4 i flew the me 163 around a bit, now i wonder, how do you land it without breaking off your wing?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 04-05-2014, 15:05:06
Since i have the 109k4 i flew the me 163 around a bit, now i wonder, how do you land it without breaking off your wing?
You don´t. Rumor has it that the tank needs to be empty. But even then this bug still occurs. The thing is you need to avoid the wing tipping to the ground too fast, because that will cause the plane to "bounce" and explode. But you can´t influence that.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 04-05-2014, 22:05:21
Got myself the Jagdpanther, holy shit. I used to drive around in a Panther G, getting oneshot by IS-2s all day while it took me 3-4 shots to kill them. The Jagdpanther's long 88 however seems to fire nukes compared to that puny 75mm. The armor bounces a lot too. Awesome tank for sure, just too bad it's stuck in maps with small engagement ranges most of the time. Got myself a 15! kill streak (some were AI tanks) in a simulator battle today.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 05-05-2014, 17:05:42
not playing the beta since it will be whiped anyway. drove it around though, the gold one, seemed like a decent tank. looked great!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-05-2014, 17:05:21
...Multi-turret tanks confirmed
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Yronno on 08-05-2014, 18:05:18
Here's another Forgotten Hope 2-related skin I made.

(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af44/Yronno/Video%20Games/shot20140508120841.jpg)
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/imagesfh2/vehicles/Hawker%20Typhoon%20Mk%20I%20B/big.jpg)

http://live.warthunder.com/user/Yronno/
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 09-05-2014, 19:05:37
That's sexy, Yronno :)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 12-05-2014, 19:05:27
9 more prop aircraft to unlock and i have them all :)
Feels good to finally have a game where i feel like i achieved something, unlike the endless grinds in WoT
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 12-05-2014, 20:05:00
9 more prop aircraft to unlock and i have them all :)
Feels good to finally have a game where i feel like i achieved something, unlike the endless grinds in WoT
Don't know why it ever would be anyones goal to just unlock everything. No wonder it feels like grind.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 12-05-2014, 20:05:39
Just feels like an achievement, being able to fly everything if want to. Having the feeling there is something i cant play with annoys me.
Many aircraft i just bough, never flew them. (not talking aircraft that you have to pay for)
So far it does not feel like a grind, at least not as massive at WoT.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 12-05-2014, 20:05:59
I wish I was like you. :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 12-05-2014, 21:05:49
:) currently i am researching 2 jets, and i have 1 already, but after i have them i will finish getting the last of my tier 4 aircraft before i go further.

Saturdays are super boring for me, so i just play from morning till evening making good progress. also i take a day off from work from time to time to play al day.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 15-05-2014, 15:05:41
New patch: 1.41

TONKS FOR EVERYONE!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 15-05-2014, 18:05:42
oh no, more prop planes now to get :)

So, with the open beta for ground forces, will there still be a stat reset for them?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 15-05-2014, 19:05:19
oh no, more prop planes now to get :)

So, with the open beta for ground forces, will there still be a stat reset for them?
Nope, the last wipe was THE last wipe, you can start grinding up now :D.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 15-05-2014, 19:05:16
Awesome!
so much more to play now :)

When do we get battleships now?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 15-05-2014, 19:05:47
After Gaijin fucks up tank combat/balancing/matchmaking etc. probably 7 big patches later.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 16-05-2014, 00:05:15
No StuG G?  :'(

Good I saved the free Golden Eagles from the Saturday event. Currently on my way to get the StuG F. But the fact that you need 6 vehicles unlocked in each tier to go higher is a bit annoying. Didn´t have the nerves to drive around in Panzer 38 T etc. for too long and wasted the Eagles on getting all this little useless stuff.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 16-05-2014, 00:05:41
Panzer II on the same level as T-28 and T-50 is a big joke...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 16-05-2014, 01:05:05
You know what's the real joke? Me-410/U4 at rank 4 (LOL), AND Mig-3-34 with 2x 20mm cannons at rank 1, BR of 2.3, now THAT's a joke.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-05-2014, 15:05:20
I am finding the german tanks far more fun then the ones in WoT

I dint even tried the soviet tanks, i am going for the panther tank baby  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 16-05-2014, 15:05:30
I'm getting the hell out of the Pz. II C, once I'm done with that, bye bye arcade, it's overpopulated with World of Tank's baddies.


Never again.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-05-2014, 16:05:03
man, even aracade is hell alot of more realistic then WOT


realistic is difficult, but the rewards are big..very big
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 16-05-2014, 16:05:34
And I'm glad it is, but still people do suck greatly on Arcade battles, I'm not here for the wins because I don't think that's the point of the game, unlike in WoT, however I'd love to get my x2... sometime.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 16-05-2014, 16:05:22
I am finding the german tanks far more fun then the ones in WoT

I dint even tried the soviet tanks, i am going for the panther tank baby  ;D
Get BT-7, just try it, it's amazing, dat SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. I've only played arcade once, I'd rather stick to Simulator Battles only. It's like tanking in FH2.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 16-05-2014, 17:05:27
Yeah, simulator is the way to go
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 16-05-2014, 17:05:20
This game...
I can't stop playing with Pz 38A, PzIIs and now I just unlock the flakpanzer.
I LOVE SIMULATOR BATTLES!
They are just so freaking awesome, arcade is good-ish but only nice for when I want a fast skirmish, but the realistic and simulator are damn nice!!!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 16-05-2014, 17:05:15
I'm not returning to Arcade, not when I'm having lots of fun in my Panzer III Ausf. E in realistic.


Why would I need a 38(t) when I have this beauty?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 16-05-2014, 19:05:54
Can someone explain me whether HE shells work in damaging tanks and their compartments? I used them some rounds on the StuG A as the penetration was quite unsatisfying. They seemed rather useless.

Also: Why would I load normal shells with the StuG if there are special AP shells available for 10 lions (which is nothing) with higher penetration. Do the standard shells have any advantage other than cost?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 16-05-2014, 19:05:36
Can someone explain me whether HE shells work in damaging tanks and their compartments? I used them some rounds on the StuG A as the penetration was quite unsatisfying. They seemed rather useless.

In closed beta I noticed that HE shells don't seem to be too picky about impact angle. You can lob your shells on enemy roof and explosion will almost always destroy everyhing behind impact zone. When hitting parts of armor that are actually made to take the hit, I found it to be very useless, even for detracking.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Tankbuster on 16-05-2014, 19:05:47
I'm not returning to Arcade, not when I'm having lots of fun in my Panzer III Ausf. E in realistic.


Why would I need a 38(t) when I have this beauty?
And how do you use that?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 16-05-2014, 20:05:19
Oh I thought I could use the 38 (t) on realistics  :-X

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 16-05-2014, 20:05:14
But fully upgraded 38 is quite fun on realistic  8)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 16-05-2014, 23:05:15
Also: Why would I load normal shells with the StuG if there are special AP shells available for 10 lions (which is nothing) with higher penetration. Do the standard shells have any advantage other than cost?

APCR ammo in WT generally has a higher penetration but a smaller HE charge. You can check in the game: the APCR shells weigh less. It means that while you're more certain to penetrate, the shell will probably do less damage than a regular AP would have; because it has less destructive power.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-05-2014, 10:05:32
Can someone explain me whether HE shells work in damaging tanks and their compartments? I used them some rounds on the StuG A as the penetration was quite unsatisfying. They seemed rather useless.

Also: Why would I load normal shells with the StuG if there are special AP shells available for 10 lions (which is nothing) with higher penetration. Do the standard shells have any advantage other than cost?
HE shells can work devestating against light vehicles. my PZIV could punch clean trough a BT-7 but when i fired a HE shell on the turret, it took out the entire crew in the turret and the driver aswel. Turret was also destroyed.

But firing HE against heavily armoured parts is not so effective, but it DOES do damage.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 17-05-2014, 11:05:06
Thanks for the answers. The more I play, the more questions I have.

Is there a way to get new ammunition? It´s quite frustrating to keep your tank alive for 10 minutes, only to face the problem of it having no shell left and being useless.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 17-05-2014, 15:05:59
So, recently i get more and more stuck in a flat spin, any tips to try to recover from it?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 17-05-2014, 17:05:32
Ugh, I have a little bit of hate for the SB damage model in tank battles, apparently ambushing a Stug IIIA and shooting it 4 times with 57mm Zis-2 is not enough to kill it, and the in just casually turn around and one-shots me.... Also killing 3/4 of the crew and setting the tank on fire is not enough to get a kill.
I need to start playing German tanks.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-05-2014, 17:05:23
Well yeah, thats the biggest problem at the moment, the damage model.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 17-05-2014, 18:05:33
Ugh, I have a little bit of hate for the SB damage model in tank battles, apparently ambushing a Stug IIIA and shooting it 4 times with 57mm Zis-2 is not enough to kill it, and the in just casually turn around and one-shots me.... Also killing 3/4 of the crew and setting the tank on fire is not enough to get a kill.
I need to start playing German tanks.

Soviet tanks are just as bad, T-34s and especially KV-1s are really hard to kill.

I had a battle at Kursk in my Panzer IV ausf. F earlier this morning, had 4 KV-1s (for some reason unaware of my presence) in my sights and it took me litterally over 40 shells (AP, APCR, HEAT... I fired everything I had) to their side armor to kill them.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 17-05-2014, 18:05:49
In general the damage system seems random. A 75mm/L43 of the StuG with Pzgr 40 can´t seem to kill KVs even when hitting from 200m in perfect a 90° angle. Generally I think they overdid it with the effects of slope and angling your armor. Even realistically certain kills (StuG F hitting T-34 from 300m frontally) can bounce.

Also I saved about 500.000 lions with aircraft. So now I can spam Pzgr 40 (200 per shot), which is kind of retarded. The cost might be high for that tier, but it´s incredibly cheap if you are high level. They should limit special rounds to five.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 17-05-2014, 19:05:05
does anybody get the fire extinguisher to work ?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 17-05-2014, 19:05:15
does anybody get the fire extinguisher to work ?
Equip it and if you are hit there usually appears a message telling you to press the button "fire extinguisher". For me that´s on "7".
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 17-05-2014, 19:05:36
does anybody get the fire extinguisher to work ?
Might be that they still didn't bind action keys to default settings. Atleast in closed beta you had to manually bind 1-9 numbers to switch ammo, use arty and extinguishers.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 17-05-2014, 19:05:56
I have assigned it to a key, but it doesn't work. still sais key unbinded
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 18-05-2014, 01:05:27
Ok, I've just tried the Pz2 and oh boy it's fun! And I don't even have the pzgr 40. Spray those T-26 and watch how everything is broken or dead inside. Awesome

In general the damage system seems random. A 75mm/L43 of the StuG with Pzgr 40 can´t seem to kill KVs even when hitting from 200m in perfect a 90° angle. Generally I think they overdid it with the effects of slope and angling your armor. Even realistically certain kills (StuG F hitting T-34 from 300m frontally) can bounce.
I wouldn't mind that (well, ok I do and I would) if the hits that DO penetrate would do something, because right now you roll the dice and hope for the best. ( I swear i had a situation where i shot at the enemy turret and got a "engine damaged" on him)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 18-05-2014, 02:05:08
1 comment - RUSSIAN BIAS GAME!!! At least on first tier... With my Panzer II 20mm cannons, even with Pzgr.40 I can't do anything against UBER STALINWOOD tanks... I fired whole Pzgr.40 to this T-26 ass and it turned and shot me with 1 round... Seems legit...  ::)

Well, I bought this Sdkfz for 400 golf and at least gain more vehicle research points for doing nothing than my friend who shoot ~10 tanks each round with his first tier Panzer III :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 18-05-2014, 08:05:18
Got the Tiger, standard camouflage is... desert. Gotta pay 200 golden eagles for woodland camouflage so I don't have to drive around like a christmas tree in simulator battles.
What the shit Gaijin.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 18-05-2014, 13:05:13
1 comment - RUSSIAN BIAS GAME!!! At least on first tier... With my Panzer II 20mm cannons, even with Pzgr.40 I can't do anything against UBER STALINWOOD tanks... I fired whole Pzgr.40 to this T-26 ass and it turned and shot me with 1 round... Seems legit...  ::)
Russian bias game?
Pz IV C - 300hp, 20 tons, top speed - 35kph - slightly less than historical
BT7 - 400hp, 14 tons, top speed - 49kph -7 less than historical (AND its gets the weakest 400hp engine)
PZIII D - 300hp, 20 tons top speed - 67kph -27 over historical.

Also, Pz 2 is so much better than T26 (at least in a Pz2 vs T26 fight) because Pz2 gets 10 chances to penetrate and T26 only one, Its also faster, more manouverable and has much faster turret rotation.

What screwed you over was the stupid damage model, not "RUSHOOON BIAS!!!1111!", at least not at this level :D.
Got the Tiger, standard camouflage is... desert. Gotta pay 200 golden eagles for woodland camouflage so I don't have to drive around like a christmas tree in simulator battles.
What the shit Gaijin.
LOL :D :D :D :D.
You can pretend to be a rock, a very big square rock.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 18-05-2014, 14:05:28
1 comment - RUSSIAN BIAS GAME!!! At least on first tier... With my Panzer II 20mm cannons, even with Pzgr.40 I can't do anything against UBER STALINWOOD tanks... I fired whole Pzgr.40 to this T-26 ass and it turned and shot me with 1 round... Seems legit...  ::)
Russian bias game?
Pz IV C - 300hp, 20 tons, top speed - 35kph - slightly less than historical
BT7 - 400hp, 14 tons, top speed - 49kph -7 less than historical (AND its gets the weakest 400hp engine)
PZIII D - 300hp, 20 tons top speed - 67kph -27 over historical.

Also, Pz 2 is so much better than T26 (at least in a Pz2 vs T26 fight) because Pz2 gets 10 chances to penetrate and T26 only one, Its also faster, more manouverable and has much faster turret rotation.

What screwed you over was the stupid damage model, not "RUSHOOON BIAS!!!1111!", at least not at this level :D.


But it seems that 10 chances for axis tank is not enough... For Russian tank 1 chance is enough...
and I don't know how it works on later levels yet...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 18-05-2014, 15:05:28
Actually I can deflect a lot of shots with my Panzer IV F2 by angling the armor.

(http://uassets.clans-cdn.de/images/519240fa82a3e6.64221906/t.jpg)

30mm angled side armor > 50mm un-angled frontal armor.

This way the only thing dangerous to me is the stupid SU-122.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 18-05-2014, 16:05:21
and I don't know how it works on later levels yet...

Germans have 88s, Soviets have 122s. Basicly everyone oneshots eachother with the exception of Panthers and T-44s who are basicly just target practice because their smaller caliber guns can't really kill heavies.  ;D

Damage models and balancing still need some heavy tweaking.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-05-2014, 18:05:50
Well i have to say, that the tiger tank really is great in this game. angeling your armour..magnificent! and that 88? So awesome

I still havent tried soviet vehicles tough. Really need to make work of this
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 18-05-2014, 19:05:25
Silly people, trying to go for a tank as fast as possible, I am just having fun in the PZ4 F2, and soon i will be hetzing around in my little bouncy box.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 18-05-2014, 20:05:03
Who says russian bias? Germans are easymode so far (rank I-II)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 18-05-2014, 21:05:22
Who says russian bias? Germans are easymode so far (rank I-II)

Yeah, especially when T-50 pops out and it laughs at your 20 mm cannons...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-05-2014, 21:05:42
SB with german tanks T1 is fucking HELL
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 18-05-2014, 22:05:28
You guys have wierd experiences, Pz2 is pure BAUS! T26s might as well not exist.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-05-2014, 22:05:28
T50 is problem
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 18-05-2014, 22:05:23
You guys have wierd experiences, Pz2 is pure BAUS! T26s might as well not exist.

Ahahaha, nice joke... Even 1 clip of Pzgr40 is not enough for rear armor of T-26...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 18-05-2014, 22:05:43
After losing 4 HB in a row as low tier German, I gave SB a try.

To be honest, I like the idea of long range, true tank engagements. I don't know which map we played, looks like Kursk to me but, I dont know, it was kinda hard to detect Soviet tanks as they were green while ours were just big grey boxes.

Had a T-50 drive next to my parked Pz. IV Ausf. C, the guy didn't even know I was there for a good while, I couldn't move my turret and open fire because I was repairing my tank, oh great.

What's a good German tank for SBs?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 18-05-2014, 22:05:09
What's a good German tank for SBs?

Any with bigger gun!  :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-05-2014, 22:05:33
PZIV is a dependable workhorse
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 18-05-2014, 22:05:08
F2. It´s the king of rank II
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 18-05-2014, 22:05:50
What's a good German tank for SBs?

Any with bigger gun!  :P

Short-barreled 75s that the StuG III A and Pz IV C or F1 have are good once you get HEAT-ammo, then things get interesting. Also, the HE shells those guns fire are surprisingly good against T-26ses and other low tier german tanks.

I got to tier III at best in closed beta, and liked the Pz IV H and Stug III F a lot.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 18-05-2014, 22:05:56
You guys have wierd experiences, Pz2 is pure BAUS! T26s might as well not exist.

Ahahaha, nice joke... Even 1 clip of Pzgr40 is not enough for rear armor of T-26...  ::)
Not a nice joke, my own game experience, you know what is a joke? 6 shots into the side of Pz 3 (with 45mm gun!), not dead, multiple shots with 57mm zis 2 into Pz-2, not dead, 4 shots from point blank range into Pz4 and nothing! those are the real jokes!

But you know, whatever ROOSHOON BIAS!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 18-05-2014, 23:05:57
I think this is too random, sometimes I feel like I can't be killed while in my Pz.IV, the next round I get blown up with one shot by a T-26, right in the ammorack.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 19-05-2014, 00:05:45
Had also some strange battles where like I survived several hits from zis 2 in pzivc and still could drive/fire and turn the turret or 3 hits on pziic with t34 still firing back but the worse was in closed beta 3 weeks ago 3 direct hits on enemy pziiil in su152, first did damage only a bit second killed his turret and for thirth when I tried ap did killed most crew but he killed me directly afterwards.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 19-05-2014, 01:05:45
I'm training crews on the Panzer IIs. Fast, reliable, automatic gun, can outmaneuvre most tanks. And the noobs on level I-1 to I-2 make good targets.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 19-05-2014, 01:05:08
I'm heading for Panzer IV F2 - it seems that it's the first reasonable tank for Germans...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 19-05-2014, 13:05:05
Does everybody agree that you train the crew 'Vitality' first? Because all the other traits that are position specific get upgraded when paying for extra qualification training.

And how important is view distance? Actually I can see already a lot, but I wonder how important view distance might be for a loader. If he isn't a complete mole, he should be able to see enough of the tank interior, while he should not get a glimpse of the outside anyway.

And how many crew members does a Panzer II have in WT? Is it the historical correct amount of 3 crewmen, or does it actually have 5 crewmembers?
And what does it mean, when you get the message that the loader is dead, while you do not have a loader, historically. Loader and Commander are the same person. This indicates, that you actually have 5 crewmen, doesn't it?



(http://oi57.tinypic.com/qrzw5l.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 19-05-2014, 14:05:35
^
Mind...blown

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-05-2014, 17:05:32
PZIV ausf F2 is my favorite tank so far. Its the perfect, all round, dependable, work-horse that every german panzer lover needs in their garage!

But i really, really want American tanks to appear As soon as possible tough..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 19-05-2014, 17:05:44
Pro tip on how to one-shot german panzers with 76mm guns - shoot HE into commander cupola  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-05-2014, 18:05:44
nerf soviet tanks, OP

but yeah, its true...

Edit= backstabbed KV1 with PZIV. i needed 4 shots on the engine.....


Edit again, in the voice of beezlebos of tenacious d-Pick of destiny movie:
FUCK YOU T34

AND FUCK YOU KV1
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 19-05-2014, 19:05:48
Edit again, in the voice of beezlebos of tenacious d-Pick of destiny movie:
FUCK YOU T34

AND FUCK YOU KV1

I would add to that list T-50 for the first tier!  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 19-05-2014, 20:05:15
stop firing at the engine, fire at the back of the turret, insta gunner and comander dead.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 20-05-2014, 01:05:50
^
Mind...blown

Have I not been comprehensible? Just wanted to know:

- How many crew members does each tank have in WT? Do all tanks have 5 crewmen, or does it reflect the original layout.
- Which crew traits do you train?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Asator86 on 20-05-2014, 03:05:28
I have assigned it to a key, but it doesn't work. still sais key unbinded

Little late, but you have to reset your controls. Do that by starting the wizard in the control menu than you can use the exstinguishers by pressing 7. You can't reassign it on another button atm (bug?).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 20-05-2014, 11:05:10
^
Mind...blown

Have I not been comprehensible? Just wanted to know:

- How many crew members does each tank have in WT? Do all tanks have 5 crewmen, or does it reflect the original layout.
- Which crew traits do you train?

Pz II has only 3 crewmembers, I didn't notice anything weird but I wasn't watching. If it has more, then that is wrong.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 20-05-2014, 16:05:54
only three crewman-hitboxes are modelled in the game, so it's correct.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 20-05-2014, 21:05:23
I really didn't like the tanking part in this game. I find EVERYTHING so clumsy (I mean in way it's not the tank being clumsy, but the overall feel of the game) and that text on the screen... hrr.. + 3rd person sucks, even for driving, but the sights suck even more. Also, I can't insert a key to fire extinguisher, or different ammo types?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 20-05-2014, 21:05:18
This may sound stupid, but the keys for those options are not 123 67 like on my keybeard, but &é" (§, you need to do a shift combo to get the numbers, it works all just fine for me.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 20-05-2014, 21:05:48
What's with the sights dancing around like the gunner is purposely sabotaging me? Aiming up and down, the little fucker. And the turrets are SLOOOOOW
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 20-05-2014, 22:05:21
I really didn't like the tanking part in this game. I find EVERYTHING so clumsy (I mean in way it's not the tank being clumsy, but the overall feel of the game) and that text on the screen... hrr.. + 3rd person sucks, even for driving, but the sights suck even more. Also, I can't insert a key to fire extinguisher, or different ammo types?
Well, it's a beta, and they have to do a lot of things before it's final
Thats what I would have said if i liked Gaijin, I don't, it's a stupidly rushed beta that is so beta it might as well be alpha.

You can change key bindings to fire extinguisher and ammo, but you actually have to look for them *spoiler* not in the "tank controls" section, I thinks it's in Miscellaneous IIRC.
BTW. have you tried Simulator Battles? Those are "great" (compared to the rest at least)

What's with the sights dancing around like the gunner is purposely sabotaging me? Aiming up and down, the little fucker. And the turrets are SLOOOOOW
What do you mean? like when you are driving or what? And yeah, the turret speeds are idiotic :D.

Also I made a suggestion to improve the camera in simulator battles, so you know, you can whatever.
http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/138391-simulator-tank-battles-camera/?hl=%2Bcamera#entry2620653
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 20-05-2014, 23:05:47
1) What I find disturbing is the randomness of some shots. Even though a penetration has occurred, absolutely nothing happens (even when aiming for the ammo rack). Then another penetration blows up the tank. Currently the only thing you can do is aim for the ammo rack and pray or a shot trap between hull and turret.

2) Some repair times are insane. Even with somewhat leveled crews there are situations where I have to wait 2+ min for the vehicle to be repaired, which simply isn´t worth the wait.

3) That artillery ability can be spammed way too easily.

4) Also there is no penalty when loading the wrong ammunition. Just wait until the wrong shell is loaded and chose the correct one. No need to reload it again. It´s instantly switched.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 20-05-2014, 23:05:19
1) What I find disturbing is the randomness of some shots. Even though a penetration has occurred, absolutely nothing happens (even when aiming for the ammo rack). Then another penetration blows up the tank. Currently the only thing you can do is aim for the ammo rack and pray or a shot trap between hull and turret.
Yup, it's retarded, even(especially?) in Sim Battles, aggressive flanking maneuvers are worthless because, you often end up putting 3-4 shots into the enemy without any effect, just so they can turn and 1-shot you(completely random).
I think I need to rush my KV-2.
2) Some repair times are insane. Even with somewhat leveled crews there are situations where I have to wait 2+ min for the vehicle to be repaired, which simply isn´t worth the wait.
Agreed, it hurts especially in arcade when you have plenty of tanks and the matches are short. There should be a way to maybe drive back to base and make quick reparis, or select what you want repaired etc.
3) That artillery ability can be spammed way too easily.
That is just dumb, and in SB it can be used as a form of "wallhack" to see over hills, crests etc. Should be removed, no question.
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4) Also there is no penalty when loading the wrong ammunition. Just wait until the wrong shell is loaded and chose the correct one. No need to reload it again. It´s instantly switched.
Yes there is a penalty, when you change the type of ammo, the shell you have in the chamber doesn't change
For example: if you load HE and then switch to AP, the nex shot you fire will be HE, and AP will be loaded next
BUT what i find stupid is that IIRC you can't change the ammo without firing, if have wrong ammo loaded you have to select a different type, fire and only then it will switch. It could be a big deal in tanks with limited ammo.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 21-05-2014, 00:05:32
Ok, I've just stopped playing this bullshit Russian bias game. I had Panzer IIIL and had to spam plenty of my special ammo to the side of Russian tank to make any major damage (I was usually aiming at turret - doesnt matter if it was Kv-1, Kv-2, T-34, SU). I couldn't do any damage to them frontally. Spent 1 hour in this crap tank and didn't make any kill. And Russian tank always 1 shot me instead... Seems legit...  ::) So I said goodbye to this Russian bias game.

PS I wonder what they did during 1 year of betatesting... ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 21-05-2014, 00:05:17
I want my nazi tanks to one shot everything, what a joke game!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 21-05-2014, 00:05:45
Stop aiming at turrets you halfwit. Turret rings + side armor. + engine. god damn it.

Besides, of course they fucking 1 shot kill you, your tank is a small piece of shit with 80mm of frontal armor and they have 76mm+ guns while you shoot puny 50mm shells. No damage if no calibre, PHYSICS BALLISTICS MOFUGGA.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 21-05-2014, 00:05:43
I want my nazi tanks to one shot everything, what a joke game!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 21-05-2014, 00:05:59
I want my nazi tanks to one shot everything, what a joke game!

Yes, because they were the best in reality, right? I don't get why Russian tanks can shoot me with 1 shot while German tanks can't?

Stop aiming at turrets you halfwit. Turret rings + side armor. + engine. god damn it.

Besides, of course they fucking 1 shot kill you, your tank is a small piece of shit with 80mm of frontal armor and they have 76mm+ guns while you shoot puny 50mm shells. No damage if no calibre, PHYSICS BALLISTICS MOFUGGA.

So, it seems it's unbalanced... Why they have such tanks on the same tier?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 21-05-2014, 00:05:10
Absolutely! Über alles!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 21-05-2014, 00:05:24
Superior nazi german tanks make big boom, while Soviet shits had cannon shells made out of jelly! True facts, no lies, confirmed information.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Torenico on 21-05-2014, 01:05:54
Lol, mighty Panzers were a joke in early stages of the war, they only had success in early Barbarossa because the Soviets sucked at organization, because they had better tanks, by far.


It was just Hitler being blinded by the "Awesomness" of his Panzers... you just saw the truth, Panzers are completely overrated.

The Germans were desperate to get upgunned tanks into the Eastern Front, and you also should be desperate to get the Panzer IV F2 for example.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 21-05-2014, 01:05:29
I can´t comment on that topic yet. But if I ever reach the Panther and that thing doesn´t wipe the floor with T-34/85s, I´m going to call the game biased.

T-34s in tier 1 because of realism, but Me-262s fighting jets from the 1950ies can make you suspicious. ;)

Considering the one shot kills: Keep in mind you can reduce the number of your deaths by angling the hull accordingly.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 21-05-2014, 01:05:07
And another thing, this shit is historically accurate. The L version and PzIV F2 and the Stug F were all deployed in 1942 (in significant numbers). It's the best you can get.
The damage however could be tweaked since I doubt a KV1 would be operational after a penetration of the turret, you have to remember it's a shell + the concussion + shrapnel of the destroyed armor. The inside would be done for.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 21-05-2014, 01:05:34
Stop aiming at turrets you halfwit. Turret rings + side armor. + engine. god damn it.

I get good results aiming at turrets on tier I. Sometimes it is +3. I aim at front plates as well. The BT-7 can be 1-shot-killed into the front plate where the driver is sitting, because the shell goes through the whole tank, prolly hitting the gunner/commander and the engine compartment.


Pz II has only 3 crewmembers, I didn't notice anything weird but I wasn't watching. If it has more, then that is wrong.

Well, at first I thought that you should be able to buff some crews by only traing the 3 crewmen in use, instead of training all 5 crewmen. For the Panzer II that would be driver, commander and radio operator. But if you train the loader to get faster reload rates on the Panzer II, it actually works, though the Panzer II has no loader.
The traits of crewmen that are not positioned in a tank, obviously get transfered to those crewmen that are actually fulfilling multiple roles; like the commander, being commander, gunner and loader in one person.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 21-05-2014, 09:05:02
I want my nazi tanks to one shot everything, what a joke game!

Yes, because they were the best in reality, right? I don't get why Russian tanks can shoot me with 1 shot while German tanks can't?

Stop aiming at turrets you halfwit. Turret rings + side armor. + engine. god damn it.

Besides, of course they fucking 1 shot kill you, your tank is a small piece of shit with 80mm of frontal armor and they have 76mm+ guns while you shoot puny 50mm shells. No damage if no calibre, PHYSICS BALLISTICS MOFUGGA.

So, it seems it's unbalanced... Why they have such tanks on the same tier?

ha, funny, I one shot everything with my panzer IV F2.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 21-05-2014, 13:05:48
That is just dumb, and in SB it can be used as a form of "wallhack" to see over hills, crests etc. Should be removed, no question.

I agree the way it's currently implemented is stupid, but I don't think artillery should be removed. In fact I think it's a great game mechanic, enabling mediums (who can't use their armor) to scare away camping heavy tanks or tank destroyers. With the warning there's more than enough time for tanks to get out of the blast zone, so it's usually not very effective at killing tanks but it is a good way to deal with campers.

The 3D targeting system however is unrealistic and stupid, I agree. It should manually be called in by using the minimap or something.

Speaking of which, I really hope they remove the enemy tanks from minimaps in SB.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 21-05-2014, 18:05:46
Okay... so I unlocked the first Jagdpanzer IV with the 75mm/L48. turns out 76mm stubby guns of T-34s and KVs reliably pierce the 60mm sloped frontal armor even on long range. Disappointing to say the least.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-05-2014, 19:05:31
Tanks are heavily soviet favoured...........

T50.

5 shots from HEAT 7.5CM of my little Panzer IV

BAM ONE frikking shot of T50 in turret and what do you get? ammo rack!

and this has happend not twice but 3 frikking times..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 21-05-2014, 21:05:09
Okay, after 5 rounds with the Jagdpanzer IV today, I can say the game is shit in the realism aspect. 3/4 shots go through the frontal armor of it. We are not talking about big guns here, but 76mms of KV1 and T-34. Meanwhile the 75mm/L48 doesn´t do shit unless hitting from the side. But even then it´s not guaranteed. Strangely enough when I aim for German tanks with that gun it´s usually one or two shots and they blow up.

Is there some weakpoint everybody but me knows about on the Jagdpanzer IV, so that almost every engagements ends with a shitty T-34 destroying it from the front? Afaik the thing should be indestructible to 76mm guns - even more so since T-34s withstand 75mm hits.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 21-05-2014, 21:05:51
This game favors 1 nation... I wonder why...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-05-2014, 21:05:58
Okay...Screw this.....the damage model is frikking heavily biased towards the soviets. I need double, if not Triple the shots to take down one soviet tank. When i play arcade and come across german tanks, my little PZIV also needs only half the shots to take them down.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 21-05-2014, 21:05:34
Yeah, obviously bias.
 Having 82 kills in 17 battles with F2, 99 kills in 17 battles with Pz. II, both with +85% victories. Playing simulater only

USSR:
2nd KV-1 - 23 battles, 39% victories, 6 kills
1ist KV-1 - 8 battles, 62 %, 11 kills
T-34 prototype - 13, 54%. 43
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-05-2014, 22:05:27
i encounter a T34. i shoot 10 times on him frontally with  7.5cm. All penetrations

tell me, why does my PZIV blows up when he fires 2 times back? and this has happend many times. i am ranking up many defeats in a row here on SB...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 21-05-2014, 22:05:57
I don't know they changed a few things I noted during closed beta the german tanks where much better to an degree you rather didnt want to play as russia anymore from tier 2 till 4.

Damage model seems bugged for most tanks from both nations sometimes I take 20 hits from f34 gun in pziiil from short range and sometimes I get one shotted by it from long range, sometimes I one shot t34 sometimes they eat up 10 shells same with kv1.
 
I aim for the crew positions mostly, hull damage doesnt seem to excist and the rest can be repaired except for ammorack which kills you in one hit and fire on engine when out of fire extinguisher.

Also remember all tanks get their rare good penetration shells and can fully load the tank with them and most of the maps are close range most of the times.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 21-05-2014, 22:05:49
Zis-30 is fun, even though it's so damn brittle, but the gun is more than adequate.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 21-05-2014, 23:05:05
Been playing the T34 L11, that tank is freaking undestructible unless you rush like an idiot into the enemies, but even that can work, I played a round on kursk, just ramming into people and oneshoting them.

T 34 F34 1942 is also really nice, quite easy to ammorack PzIIIs and IVs, very mobile but isn't as durable as L11 because the F2, StuG F and Pz III L can pen you, but with L11 you don't see those tanks often.

Either way, if some shell doesn't work on an Pz III/IV, just aim for the commander cupola with HE, it's insta kill, usually with the turret flying off. Yesterday I cleared my team's base wich was being capped by 4 tanks, just one-shotting them with HE into the cupolas, quite fun round  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: LuckyOne on 21-05-2014, 23:05:08
Well I haven't tried ground forces yet but judging by the planes part and the amount of whine people are posting they either screwed up hit detection or the game takes a million variables into account for every shot so that each shot is practically gambling...

Also the post above sounds like someone screwed up something... Tanks shouldn't blow up instantly if hit in the cupola with HE (unless it's a really big round). Reminds me of the same thing we used to have in FH2...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 22-05-2014, 00:05:33
Quote
  • Fixed damage effect from HE tank rounds, which led to the destruction of the tank when the shell would detonate on the vehicle roof. Now it is still possible to damage the tank by a roof breech, but it won’t lead to the immediate destruction of the vehicle.
patch of today :p
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 22-05-2014, 00:05:07
Ahaha, but the best tank on 2nd tier is KV-2 with its ridiculous accuracy on long long range and turret speed!  ;D

Edit: Also what I don't like are:
- maps perfectly designed for noob campers from WOT - zones to cap near enemy spawnpoints. Makes sense...
- and this magic spotting tanks on the minimap, which I thought wouldn't appear in SIMULATOR!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 22-05-2014, 01:05:43
Got KV STRONK! It's fun, ridiculous but fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 22-05-2014, 13:05:41
They fixed the Camoflague unlocks. In order to unlock camo-skins, you have to do air-to-surface kills with a ground vehicle. But until yesterday the game registered only surface-to-surface kills with a ground vehicle, which is obviously true in a tank battle. Thus those kills did not count.
Now they game reports back, that you actually did an air-to-surface kill with your tank, accounting for the unlock.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 22-05-2014, 13:05:36
what the fuck air-to-surface kill with a tank? you're on the surface damn it, the only "air" kill you can get is by shooting down a plane?  ???
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 22-05-2014, 18:05:03
Witch is possible on a few maps.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 22-05-2014, 18:05:12
Witches in War Thunder?!  :o
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 22-05-2014, 18:05:17
what the fuck air-to-surface kill with a tank? you're on the surface damn it, the only "air" kill you can get is by shooting down a plane?  ???

What he meant, I think, is that the kills for roundels and stuff should be added up across branches (air forces/ground forces) by nation, but that untill this patch the tanks couldn't get those (air-to-)ground kills. Now they can.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 22-05-2014, 20:05:02
And all the time i think its GROUND-TO-AIR..
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 22-05-2014, 20:05:39
After getting shot through vegetation numerous times today, I was forced to turn down the graphics. I was playing on ultra, but the density of grass, trees and plants apparently gave me a huge (visual) disadvantage over people with very low graphics settings. I couldn't see them, yet they could see me.

Another big issue on a long list that needs fixing..



The one thing that keeps me playing is the great potential this game has / could have, but they sure as hell still have a very long way to go.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 23-05-2014, 00:05:14
After playing some rounds in simulator mode I must admit that this game has nothing similar to simulator... Tank damage is so random and depends on pure luck than skill. And this radar on minimap is so lame...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Ciupita on 23-05-2014, 10:05:11
They fixed the Camoflague unlocks. In order to unlock camo-skins, you have to do air-to-surface kills with a ground vehicle. But until yesterday the game registered only surface-to-surface kills with a ground vehicle, which is obviously true in a tank battle. Thus those kills did not count.
Now they game reports back, that you actually did an air-to-surface kill with your tank, accounting for the unlock.

When you kill other tanks with a tank, it gives you "air win streak"
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 23-05-2014, 18:05:56
Do you feel like you don't want to play a fair match? get a KV1! NOW! This thing is amazing :D.
It's unbeatable, I've had Stug IIIF, 2x Pz3L, a Pz IVF2, and a StugA (I think), firing at me, and I just casually angled my tank, 45 degree angle, and I sat there for couple of minutes with them firing at me, I managed to kill on of the PIII before they took my gun out, sadly they destroyed my tracks with an artillery strike, oh well. I need a bigger gun.

Try it before they ruin it!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 23-05-2014, 19:05:41
between 1 and 3 shots normally to kill you with my pz4 F2, but yeah, they are a hard nut to crack sometimes.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 24-05-2014, 01:05:58
Sometimes, I kill tanks with one shot, sometimes it takes 3 magazines of 10 rounds. At first it appears to be random, but I actually believe this is skill related. If your enemy does have a low vitality for his crewmen, they hit the floor early. And sometimes the tanks you encounter have already been damaged before.

It is the same with airplanes. It is the high level players that seem to eat all your bullets, because the pilot won't die before the plane is shot into 1000 pieces.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 24-05-2014, 01:05:51
Sometimes, I kill tanks with one shot, sometimes it takes 3 magazines of 10 rounds. At first it appears to be random, but I actually believe this is skill related. If your enemy does have a low vitality for his crewmen, they hit the floor early. And sometimes the tanks you encounter have already been damaged before.

It is the same with airplanes. It is the high level players that seem to eat all your bullets, because the pilot won't die before the plane is shot into 1000 pieces.

Yeah, it turns out that this game becomes more & more a pay to win game with every patch...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 24-05-2014, 10:05:30
Believe it or not, there developers cant live on happiness and dreams...;


Anyway, 1 year premium for 50% off, super deal!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 24-05-2014, 11:05:05
Believe it or not, there developers cant live on happiness and dreams...;


Anyway, 1 year premium for 50% off, super deal!
Super crews for money is still retarded.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 24-05-2014, 11:05:25
Believe it or not, there developers cant live on happiness and dreams...;

Lol yes I've never understood the pay to win whining, if you're not prepared to pay at least something for a game you do not have the right to complain. A 'super crew' costs you like 10 euros.

Anyway, 1 year premium for 50% off, super deal!

Damn good deal indeed, although I've already spent 50 euros on the game in the last month, training tank crews, buying premium etc. Oh well. Here goes another 50. That probably adds up to a total of 200+ euros I've put into this game, but then again I've had a lot of fun with it. 
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 24-05-2014, 11:05:28

Lol yes I've never understood the pay to win whining, if you're not prepared to pay at least something for a game you do not have the right to complain. A 'super crew' costs you like 10 euros.


I think premium account alone should be enough. Asking money for anything else that is vital to have is just milking.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-05-2014, 11:05:09
The only thing crew wise you might could invest, is vitality...but thats only it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 24-05-2014, 11:05:37
But i got my 20 crews to level 300plus without money... And if you want a super crew, play the game this weekend and get 1000 gold for free, worth like 7.5 euro. There are tons of free gold events.

I also spend money on premium, maybe 150 euro the past 2 years... I also bought some aircraft.

If i put the money i spend compared to the hours i played then i can say that this is a super cheap game.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 24-05-2014, 11:05:49
Believe it or not, there developers cant live on happiness and dreams...;
It's the devs who chose free to play model, If they can't make it fair it's their own fault, and they deserve criticism, just like any bad product does, If the game is a shitty, pay2win grind then the game is shit, regardless of its price(even if it's free). The standards for F2P have gone up over the last few years.

"but they have to live off something right?" Well, if you went into a restaurant and gotten stale bread, unfresh steak and unboiled potatoes, you wouldn't have said "oh well, they have to make money somehow"
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 24-05-2014, 12:05:17
Well, if you got that food for free then you have no right to complain, and if you give the restaurant some money so that they can buy a furnace, and fresh ingredients to make fresh bread and good food then you should not be hating the people that pay so that you can eat better food all for free.

Be gratefull to those who pay, they are the ones that allow you to play for free at all.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 24-05-2014, 12:05:18
and they deserve criticism, just like any bad product does,

Actually they don't (as far as this mild case of p2w goes), because it's not a product as long as you don't pay for it. IMO you only gain the right to complain after you've paid for it.

The fact that they chose a P4F model means people should be happy they can play it for free while others pay for the services (instead of, like regular games, not being able to play at all without spending €50), and as long as they keep riding along on other people's money they shouldn't complain that those who pay get a little extra.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-05-2014, 12:05:07
WT and WOT does things fairly by including things for P4F players.

many free MMO's do not do that. Like Mech warrior online.

So trust me, non paying players are good in WT


Also SDKFZ 6 mit 3.7CM flak kannonen is surprisingly fun!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-05-2014, 15:05:03
i am constantly throw into the losing team. my performance is fine, i go for the bases..but at 2 wins and 13 losses today...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 24-05-2014, 19:05:17
Actually they don't (as far as this mild case of p2w goes), because it's not a product as long as you don't pay for it. IMO you only gain the right to complain after you've paid for it.
False, the F2P model is a big part of the game and can and should be criticised if it's unfair. Any game company that is willing to screw up their game just earn a little extra (extend the grind, just so people buy premium, introduce stupid "upgrades" so people get frustrated and buy them etc.) should also be criticised. It says a lot about the devs and their attitude. Free to play games already can get away with lots of stuff, because they are F2P, but not when the paid stuff influences the game (as I said, stretching the grind, allowing to buy power outright etc.) Skins etc. are fine, EXP/credit boosts too IF the dev doesn't screw up the economy/progression to "encourage" you to buy them, and you know they will.

Well, if you got that food for free then you have no right to complain.
If the food is shit, then it's shit, regardless of how cheap it is. A pile of excrements is also free, doesn't make it any good.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 25-05-2014, 00:05:39

False, the F2P model is a big part of the game and can and should be criticised if it's unfair. Any game company that is willing to screw up their game just earn a little extra (extend the grind, just so people buy premium, introduce stupid "upgrades" so people get frustrated and buy them etc.) should also be criticised. It says a lot about the devs and their attitude. Free to play games already can get away with lots of stuff, because they are F2P, but not when the paid stuff influences the game (as I said, stretching the grind, allowing to buy power outright etc.) Skins etc. are fine, EXP/credit boosts too IF the dev doesn't screw up the economy/progression to "encourage" you to buy them, and you know they will.


and how do you define an "extended grind"?? thats a subjective term that cant be demostrated in any way. What is your magical number? what makes a grind reasonable?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 25-05-2014, 02:05:59
Where is the line between XP boosts for premium players, and an 'extended grind, just so people buy premium'? I don't see it.

An unemployed poor can grind as fast as a premium player, considering that he will have to give what he got most. I see no reason to throw money at this game, because I get no advantage in combat, which I could not achieve by simply spending extra time.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 25-05-2014, 03:05:17
Of course it's subjective, and there's no "magical number", it may not be clear, but there is a line between regular "progression" and a straight up "grind", in the last few patches they slowed down progression 4 times (both by lowering exp gain and increasing exp requirements), while also introducing plane "upgrades" which are neither realistic, nor historically accurate, nor do they benefit the game play in any way, they don't add any depth to the game or modification system, those artificially stretch the game by forcing you to use and underpowered, slow airplane each time you unlock one and, hopefully (for them) you'll get frustrated enough to buy yourself a way out (compare a "stock" 109F4 to an "upgraded" one, for example, or a P-47)

To me, playing a good match and seeing that the "progression" bar has moved by less than 1mm, is enough to realise what they're trying to do, spending hours to unlock 1 airplane + earning "credits" to "train" the crew for it + credits for additional skill training + credits for upgrades +.... You can see where this is going.

Where is the line between XP boosts for premium players, and an 'extended grind, just so people buy premium'? I don't see it.
Again, It's subjective, but the "extend grind, buy premium" starts when progress without "boosts" is unreasonable, so yeah, the line is somewhere between "I can buy premium to save up some time" and "I need to buy premium If I don't want to grind for 7 hours for next plane", yes i know they kinds sound the same, but you know what I mean, If premium account is the only way to have a reasonable progression, they you are past that line (and, to be honest, some games even with "premium" or whatever, are horrible grinds, because 1.5x0 is still 0)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 25-05-2014, 06:05:50
I'm kind of on the same line as Musti, but disagree with grind part. Having longer grind for free players is almost only way to encourage people to use money, that still isn't straight up p2w and I think it is fair collect monthly subscription. However, throwing 200€ at a game is a lot, f2p game tend to be a lot more expesive than regular games, atleast if you want "full experience".
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 25-05-2014, 08:05:50
Well the money is subjective. I'd rather work two extra hours instead of playing, and use the money to skip 20 hours of playing so I can skip annoying grinds. In regular games you don't have a choice; you have to play a lot to unlock the best stuff and I don't like spending so much time on video games. F2P gives me the opportunity to enjoy the entire game by investing money instead of time (because the latter is more important to me).

I play War Thunder no more than 1-2 hours a day, but with the help of a premium account, premium tanks and some converting my progress is still the same or even ahead of most others, since I'm already at tier 4 for the Germans.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-05-2014, 10:05:49
buddy has a Panther wich he accidently equipped

so i landed in a tier 3 match

I got destroyed at 1000 meters by a tiger tank in one shot

(http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=946148&d=1397782905)

I need that thing...and NOW
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 25-05-2014, 11:05:22
Don't get your hopes up too much, at least not if you're going to play simulator. Currently 3/4 of my tier 3-4 matches end up with me shooting 2-6 shots into every part of Russian tanks before they either one or twoshot me or break my gun.

I played a few rounds in the Tiger II (Porsche) and after getting my gun destroyed 4 matches in a row I decided it was enough for today.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 25-05-2014, 12:05:23
Speaking of guns breaking, what's up with it? I played Stug ausf. A quite a few matches in closed beta, but now in open beta I just end up with broken gun time after time. Did they make guns more brittle than they were or did people learn to target guns for easy kills? Or is it just bad luck...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 25-05-2014, 12:05:56
fuck the ground forces, KVs and T34s everywhere which you can't do jack against when they rush you. yeah, I'm having a blast in my panzers.... not
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 25-05-2014, 14:05:09
I just came from one shooting 2 kv1s and a kv2 , plus killing a t34 in 3 shots, all that with my rusty pzIV F2  ;D. I dont know where you guys are aiming, but firing at the side of the turret its a guarantied explotion or inmovilization
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 25-05-2014, 15:05:31
I had to fire 3 times to side turret of T-34 with my F2... Of course, it was completely without any upgrades, but it doesn't change the fact that simulator mode has nothing to do with realism...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 25-05-2014, 16:05:41
I need to test that, my expierence againts t34s is completaly different. I HAVE been able to kill them in one shot to the front uper glasis, but bounce on the turrent mantle. That, AFAIK, its realistic. Penetrating a Kv2 in the turret ring at 500 m and oneshoting him also seems pausible, altrough I could see how that was a bit of luck on my part. Kv1s are a hard nut to crack by the 2 kills I did were from the side and from the rear, each one in 1 shot.

Of course, there is also the time where I shoted at point blank range at a t34 from behind with my pz38(t) AND NOTHING HAPPENED, the gun is supose to penetrate 55 mm of armor at 10 m, and the t34 has 40 in the rear, I should have been able to get trough, yet I didnt.

Maybe some cannons have problems/bugs and some dont. The 75 mm goes trough a t34 like butter, anything small just bounces
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 25-05-2014, 17:05:34
T-34 was quite well armored, so it's okay I guess, the problem is that when shots actually get through, they don't do jack shit.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 25-05-2014, 18:05:17
Damage models seem completely random, I had a match this morning with the befehlswagen Jagdpanther and had to put SIX (!) 88mm shells into the side of a bot T-26 in order to kill it. Hit the engine, the turret, upper hull, lower hull, it just didn't die.

Another match in my Panther ausf. D I shot at a KV-85's turret 3-4 times and it was still alive and well, when a T-34 joined the fight. So I put 3 shells into the T-34 and broke his turret, and a fourth and fifth shell when he charged me. I was in hull-down, and they were completely exposed. Truly testing his luck, he shot me on the move and penetrated my front armor, setting me on fire and completely knocking out the transmission and the turret. He managed to pass and finished me after. Six 75mm shells into a lousy T-34-57 and it did nothing.


Stuff like this is happening to me all the time.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-05-2014, 18:05:38
it seems that my PZIV blows up in 1 or 2 shots even from the front, when i need double or triple the shots for the T34.

The PZIV had its ammo stored in the rear turret and side armour sponsons
The T34 had it spread out all over the tank, simular to the sherman. Thus frontally, a Panzer should be not be ammoracked as much as it is now

a T34 however, can easily survive 4 shots, everywhere.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 25-05-2014, 19:05:40
Well, to all you guys complaining, last 6 games in my t-34 i got one shoted by panzer 4.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 25-05-2014, 19:05:08
it seems that my PZIV blows up in 1 or 2 shots even from the front, when i need double or triple the shots for the T34.

The PZIV had its ammo stored in the rear turret and side armour sponsons
The T34 had it spread out all over the tank, simular to the sherman. Thus frontally, a Panzer should be not be ammoracked as much as it is now

a T34 however, can easily survive 4 shots, everywhere.

4  shots? Son, you don't know shit, I survived 20+ shots(not all of them penetrating ofc.) + arillery strike with my KV :D. Those things are ridiculous, especially on Kursk, long range + angle= indestructible bunker.

Also, I think part of the problem with German side players complaining about unfairness comes down to the fact that much, MUCH more people are playing German tanks, every time I queue up I see 50 people waiting on german side, and 10 on the russian, 5x the players means 5x the complaints.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 25-05-2014, 20:05:53
Got the SU-122 after the pain of KV-1. HERPADERP!!!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-05-2014, 22:05:21
getting killed by a KV2...
is pure destruction to the highest level
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 26-05-2014, 00:05:04
You guys make me curious about the high tiers. But I'm far from getting there. I'm still stuck with my PII's on tier I.

Situation on tier I is pretty easy.
Just today I duelled a T-60 and a T-70 and I won both encounters.
PII's and BT-7 take 1-2 shots.
PIII and PIVs can take longer, up to 20 rounds.

There is a russian model whose name end with 'mod 1937' or 'mod 1939'. Those bug me. Their gun is tough and I often get killed before I kill them. Same with the T-28. Tough gun. Tough hull. Needs at least 20 shots.

Finally, my biggest nemesis is the Sturmgeschütz Ausf. A. I can damage the gun, the tracks and the running gear. damaging the gun doesn't prevent it from shooting back. Plus: it can't even get penetrated at the rear. I started crashing into them with full speed, pushing them around and off cliffs.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 26-05-2014, 11:05:16
Check the ammo you have loaded. If you can load the belt with AP and IT only. You will have more penetrations and kill the targets quicker.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 26-05-2014, 13:05:21
I'm using the Panzergranate 40 (APCBC). Always.

Yesterday was fun. Encountered the only capable position A on Kuban, and killed 3 camping Pz.II's. While I capped the position all alone, another 5 PzII's showed up, one after another, which I killed all. I felt so invincible. ;D

My crew:
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2iji7fo.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 26-05-2014, 15:05:34
If you look at the stats regular ap often has more penetration at long distances, just saying.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 26-05-2014, 15:05:27
Yeah, and AP is supposed to do more damage once penetrated. Also the incendary shells have the neat effect of setting the enemy on fire quite often. I found the penetration of standard AP also sufficent for all tanks I´ll encounter in the P II C (playing simulator)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-05-2014, 17:05:15
Once i got my Panzer IV ausf F2, things became easy for me. Its a great tank, altough it gets ammo racked alot


Now i did noticed the following things=
-The standard APCBC round is the most damaging and sufficient for all Tier 2 vehicles And above. Only the KV85's turret and KV1's at long range MIGHT be a problem for you.
-APCR punches trough everything, but you need way more shots. I think i need an average of 2-3 shots of APCBC rounds for a T34, but it takes double that with APCR
-If you know the ammo rack location and you can penetrate it, Use the HEAT round. The HEAT round of the 7.5cm gun has average penetration (81mm) but it gives almost instant guarantee of ammo racking the enemy

When fighting soviet tanks, it really is crucial that you aim either for the turret, or the hull sides below the turret where all the ammo is located. Its a small turret on the T34, and one shot can kill the entire crew in it. But fire at the hull and you are left with only the driver dead


My opinion has changed greatly with this game. And i am having Insane amounts of fun with the PZIV ausf F2 and G. The stug 3 Ausf F is also my little precious. The PZIII performs decent. You need alot of penetrations, but its speed and mobility is great.


Yesterday i played for 2 hours straight with kuroisuki. We employed tactics used by the wehrmacht and it worked great

Most public players seem to apply the 1943 kasserine pas American tank tactic= CHARGE AHEAD LIKE A GRAND ARMOURED KNIGHT READY TO FIGHT! WHO needs recon anyway?? AB, SB, HB, it doesnt matter. you are Dead.

Wehrmacht tank tactics are your friend=
- Stand still and ambush. The one who can land the first shot, is often the one who wins
- When you advance, advance slowly. Use alot of caution.
- Flank
Its amazing how many people in this game, dont even care about their flanks. They just go to the roads, and drive forward a la leeroy jenkins style. The map karelia is my favorite. I run for the hills, find a suitable location that overlooks the road and i find myself encountering half the team on the roads, with me taking out 3 of the enemy before they even bother looking my direction.

I only find myself charging forward blindly in the beginning of the map, to get myself towards a control point.

This game, is 10 times better then world of tanks in any way. Even arcade battles are insanely amount of fun.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-05-2014, 17:05:21
- Stand still and ambush. The one who can land the first shot, is often the one who wins
Until you put 4 shots into the enemy, and e just turns around and 1 shots you :D
Yeah, the game has lots of potential, like everything Gaijin does, and they they just fuck things up.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 26-05-2014, 18:05:07
Musti, you are worse then a mother in law, I have never ever heard you give positive feedback, all you do in every tread is whine and complain.

If you thinks you can do it better, then do it! can't? then shut up.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 26-05-2014, 18:05:37
Stug F is fun, as well as the pz IV F2. I don't really play anything else on the german team because the rewards on those two are the best in their tier in simulator battles. I have the Hetzer unlocked though, so might use that to grind the pz IIIM, while using the stug to grind the Jagdpanzer IV and the Pz IV F2 to grind the Pz IV G.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-05-2014, 19:05:28
If you thinks you can do it better, then do it! can't? then shut up.
Not an argument, just because I can't do something better, doesn't mean I can't criticise it. Otherwise no one would ever be able to give their opinion on anything ever.

Secondly, I'm not complaining, I'm stating a fact, Gaijin is run by a bunch of imbeciles(and I don'l like them, for many reasons), I'm fed up because of how a game with such brilliant mechanics (few patches ago, WT was probably one of my favorite games) gets so mishandled by them. It pains me to see something with such a potential get slowly wasted.

Thirdly, I'm not whining in every thread, only in this one :D
But hey, my Belgian bro, anything for you, if it bothers you so much I can stop posting here :D.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-05-2014, 19:05:48
Still

balance wise

this game is heck alot better then WOT
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 26-05-2014, 23:05:28
My new beauty  <3

(http://i59.tinypic.com/6olfgj.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 26-05-2014, 23:05:46
D-d-damn! Now THAT'S a tonk! Does it explode when you try and go uphill? :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 27-05-2014, 00:05:13
Ok, I get my hands of my Panzer IV F2 and finally a better tank with reasonable gun... But still always 1 shot frontally by RUSSIAN bias tank...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 27-05-2014, 01:05:59
Trough ardius testing and forum reading, I came to the conlcusion that Turrent mantle armor is not modeled ingame yes  ???
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 27-05-2014, 01:05:13
The Jagdpanzer IV L70 reliably bounces 85mm shots though. The gun penetrates everything from its tier. The problem seems to be the hitboxes. Often side shots or rear shots don´t do damage, because you missed the "engine-" or "ammunition-hitbox" by a few centimeters.

Is there a higher chance to blow up the tank with a larger caliber? Is the chance to destroy the target the same with both 75mm guns (L48 and L70) and only the penetration differs?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 27-05-2014, 08:05:36
Ok, I get my hands of my Panzer IV F2 and finally a better tank with reasonable gun... But still always 1 shot frontally by RUSSIAN bias tank...  ::)

You do realize that you only get 50 millimeters of frontal unsloped armour on upper hull and 25 millimeters on lower glacis in that thing (historically, can't remember ingame values off the top of my head), and the russian APHE will blast you when it penetrates on standard combat ranges (usually around 200-300 meters on Kuban, for example). Yes, WHEN it penetrates, no ifs on this one.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 27-05-2014, 08:05:15
Trough ardius testing and forum reading, I came to the conlcusion that Turrent mantle armor is not modeled ingame yes  ???

Judging from the fact that my Panther D/A/G always got penetrated in the turret while in hull-down (even by T-34-57s) would suggest the same thing, now that you mention it.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 27-05-2014, 08:05:06
Trough ardius testing and forum reading, I came to the conlcusion that Turrent mantle armor is not modeled ingame yes  ???

Judging from the fact that my Panther D/A/G always got penetrated in the turret while in hull-down (even by T-34-57s) would suggest the same thing, now that you mention it.

Apparently the premium Sherman has it, according to devblog: http://devblog.warthunder.com/2014/05/22/m4-748-sherman-armour-changes-part-2/?hl=en (http://devblog.warthunder.com/2014/05/22/m4-748-sherman-armour-changes-part-2/?hl=en)

Are you sure that on the A and D model it's not actually the shot trap in the lower gun mantlet that gets you? This should be corrected in the G though with the flat part.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 27-05-2014, 12:05:13
Ok, I get my hands of my Panzer IV F2 and finally a better tank with reasonable gun... But still always 1 shot frontally by RUSSIAN bias tank...  ::)

You do realize that you only get 50 millimeters of frontal unsloped armour on upper hull and 25 millimeters on lower glacis in that thing (historically, can't remember ingame values off the top of my head), and the russian APHE will blast you when it penetrates on standard combat ranges (usually around 200-300 meters on Kuban, for example). Yes, WHEN it penetrates, no ifs on this one.

So, this only confirms fact that this game is unbalanced...
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 27-05-2014, 12:05:11
Good, I don't want another mirror balanced game, I want Panthers explode on side shots, ISU-152 having to wait a week before it reloads, and M18 hellcats going 90+ kph.

But you know, when a Uber Superior Master Race German tank is destroyed, it's unrealistic, unfair, unbalanced, Russian biased and downright evil.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 27-05-2014, 13:05:47
Good, I don't want another mirror balanced game, I want Panthers explode on side shots, ISU-152 having to wait a week before it reloads, and M18 hellcats going 90+ kph.

But you know, when a Uber Superior Master Race German tank is destroyed, it's unrealistic, unfair, unbalanced, Russian biased and downright evil.

But this makes no sense in tier gaming, you know? What's the point of having tiers, when the best tank from one side is weaker than the weakest tank of other on the same tier?  ???
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 27-05-2014, 13:05:48
Trough ardius testing and forum reading, I came to the conlcusion that Turrent mantle armor is not modeled ingame yes  ???

Judging from the fact that my Panther D/A/G always got penetrated in the turret while in hull-down (even by T-34-57s) would suggest the same thing, now that you mention it.

Apparently the premium Sherman has it, according to devblog: http://devblog.warthunder.com/2014/05/22/m4-748-sherman-armour-changes-part-2/?hl=en (http://devblog.warthunder.com/2014/05/22/m4-748-sherman-armour-changes-part-2/?hl=en)

Are you sure that on the A and D model it's not actually the shot trap in the lower gun mantlet that gets you? This should be corrected in the G though with the flat part.

the premium sherman will have it, once they release a minor update. I guess they will add them some time in the future, just not yeat ingame.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-05-2014, 17:05:23

But you know, when a Uber Superior Master Race German tank is destroyed, it's unrealistic, unfair, unbalanced, Russian biased and downright evil.
A PZIV exploding frontally everything you shoot trough the turret, is not realistic because their is no ammo in that location.
(http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/823/pz4J00297.jpg)

The PZIV, simular to other german tanks. Has its ammo located on the hull floor and side sponsons.And a few ready rounds on the turret sides. The sherman (early) and T34, had their ammo stored in the side sponsons AND in the turret all around

This is why starting from the M4A3, the entire ammo loadout was located in the hull floor, and the ammo was stored in wet ammo racks (also any M4 sherman that landed in normandy, had their ammo locations converted. Read Steven zalago's armored thunderbolt)


So PZIV's ammo blowing up because of frontal penetration? Thats not realistic bro
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 27-05-2014, 17:05:40
So PZIV's ammo blowing up because of frontal penetration? Thats not realistic bro
I never said frontal penetration, I said destroyed. IMO in SB every penetrating hit should be kill, 2 hits to kill tops.
On any tank, ever.

Besides, try to play Russians, it's not better at all.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 27-05-2014, 18:05:56
So PZIV's ammo blowing up because of frontal penetration? Thats not realistic bro
I never said frontal penetration, I said destroyed. IMO in SB every penetrating hit should be kill, 2 hits to kill tops.
On any tank, ever.

Besides, try to play Russians, it's not better at all.

In otto carius his book i just read that it took 4 hits of a tiger on a t-34 before the crew gave up.
So tell me, if it has to be so realistic, why do they need to blow up after 1 or 2 hits of a smaller gun?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 27-05-2014, 18:05:47
If you penetrate the front of a pzIV, the shell will still be traveling inside( or the shrapel ) and most litley bounce and ignite the ammo (if suffient kinetic energy is left).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 27-05-2014, 18:05:34
So PZIV's ammo blowing up because of frontal penetration? Thats not realistic bro

Because the shell stops traveling the moment it penetrates the armour
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 27-05-2014, 19:05:29
So PZIV's ammo blowing up because of frontal penetration? Thats not realistic bro
I never said frontal penetration, I said destroyed. IMO in SB every penetrating hit should be kill, 2 hits to kill tops.
On any tank, ever.

Besides, try to play Russians, it's not better at all.

In otto carius his book i just read that it took 4 hits of a tiger on a t-34 before the crew gave up.
So tell me, if it has to be so realistic, why do they need to blow up after 1 or 2 hits of a smaller gun?
Not blow up, just get a kill, any normal crew would just bail the tank after the first penetrating hit,no one would sit there just to get killed. Anyway, we had this discussion on these forums many many maaaaaany times before.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 27-05-2014, 19:05:47
True, sometimes its better to play dead till darkness and then run for it instead of run right away and get machinegunned down.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 27-05-2014, 19:05:48
In otto carius his book

Either this is a belgian thing or this is contagious?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 27-05-2014, 19:05:43
In otto carius his book

Either this is a belgian thing or this is contagious?
Maybe, in Thetas his posts he does that a lot as well.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 27-05-2014, 20:05:10
Maybe, in Thetas his posts he does that a lot as well.

Contagious! Burn everything!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 27-05-2014, 20:05:12
Maybe, in Thetas his posts he does that a lot as well.

Contagious! Burn everything!

Stay on topic, you hippie!

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 27-05-2014, 20:05:22
I'll do what I want!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 27-05-2014, 22:05:10
(http://i58.tinypic.com/20rr39w.jpg)

Tiger II Henschel, what a beast! Don't ask me what my team did because they all died, leaving me to defend the base against I'd say 10 enemy tanks. I managed to kill 9 in total (2 kills before my team died), surviving countless hits from T-44s and SU-100s and what not, before they finally encircled me.

The engine sound is ridiculously cool, the sounds of shells bouncing off the front armor and ripping off parts of the sideskirts were deafening! It was amazing. I felt invincible. Shame the game doesn't say how many hits you survived.  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 27-05-2014, 22:05:43
Replay? :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 27-05-2014, 23:05:35
http://speedy.sh/ruxKx/2014.05.27-22.19.59.wrpl

Beginning is a bit weird, I was firing at a T-44 who was apparently behind some kind of object or hill that wasn't rendering for me.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 28-05-2014, 00:05:30
Hah, the amount of 0 at half of your team is astonishing!  :P
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-05-2014, 11:05:52
I finnaly got the Tiger tank

3 matches.14 tanks destroyed. Its beautifull

(http://i62.tinypic.com/2j1ar7p.png)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 28-05-2014, 17:05:21
http://speedy.sh/ruxKx/2014.05.27-22.19.59.wrpl

Beginning is a bit weird, I was firing at a T-44 who was apparently behind some kind of object or hill that wasn't rendering for me.
Not a bad game this! Though the Russians were complete muppets, still, that was good. German bias!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 28-05-2014, 18:05:21
Is there any way to adjust sights to range ? Or do you have to guess where the shell will land ?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 28-05-2014, 20:05:35
You have to guess in historical and simulator mode. In arcade battles you will get a small reticle where the shoot will land, but you have to manually aim higher to bring that second reticle on the target (unlike World of Tanks, where the shelldrop is automatically taken into account).
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 28-05-2014, 21:05:11
ok so no working reticle like this ?

(http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Tiger1-2002-Picz/Turmzielfernrohr9b.gif)

to bad
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 28-05-2014, 22:05:45
Nope. But IIRC they are on the to-do list
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Mudzin on 29-05-2014, 00:05:40
Today I've been nicely fucked up by this game... I shot with my Panzer IV F2 (Pzgr. 40) to T-34 frontal turret from 10 m and message appeared: "no damage". No shit... -_-' And it fired back and my Panzer IV blew up like it was full of napalm... No shit...  ::)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-05-2014, 00:05:38
you have no need for PZG 40. Use APCBC. Twice the damage. i'm having no problem with my Panzers F2 G and H at all.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 29-05-2014, 00:05:47
Not a bad game this! Though the Russians were complete muppets, still, that was good. German bias!

Well I think everyone just kinda shits their pants when they come face to face with a Tiger II. It's the first vehicle in this game that actually made me feel like driving a real TANK: solid (front) armor, hard to kill, deals a good punch, but sluggish as hell. I'm having a lot of fun with it, definitely worth the grind.  ;D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-05-2014, 00:05:38
when i first got killed by a Tiger I, i felt terrified.

When i drove my first battle with my OWN tiger tank.....

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VH0CddK-1bw/UMKnDEm8wKI/AAAAAAAAU_Y/PIhPjUbhz6g/s1600/unlimited-power.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8i8QGgz0k
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 29-05-2014, 01:05:41
You have to guess in historical and simulator mode. In arcade battles you will get a small reticle where the shoot will land, but you have to manually aim higher to bring that second reticle on the target (unlike World of Tanks, where the shelldrop is automatically taken into account).

Wait. There is no reticle in historical battles? How are you supposed to hit anything then with the crappy gunsight? That is like fireing a sniper rifle without ironsight or crosshair.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 29-05-2014, 01:05:14
No no no, you get a crosshair, it's just that in arcade you get a little extra crosshair which changes color according to the thickness of enemy armor and the distance between you and the target (indicating where the shell will land)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 29-05-2014, 02:05:49
Yes, and I can asure you without that little reticle it is totally difficult to hit a tank at a range of 500 meters. You barely see the trajectory of the shell, especially considering vegetation. So, I just imagine a KV2 with the 152mm having a reload of...forever.

The same happened to me once when I flew a Stuka in a historical battle. I went down on the target and found out that there is no crosshair, while you got no instruments showing whether you got the correct slope angle of 60°, making bombing small ground vehicles almost impossible, because you simply have to guess where the bomb might go down. So I believe this has some room for improvements.

Now the problem comes up, that battles sorted by faction are not available in arcade mode, while historical battles are obviously nitpicking.

Having no battles sorted by factions was a huge con for me, thus leaving WoT. Seems like things repeat now.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 29-05-2014, 02:05:07
The Jagdpanzer IV L/70 is decent. You can penetrate everything and the silhouette is so low that you can hide behind even the smallest "hills". The frontal armor reliably bounces 85mm hits.

Here you can see how it´s used best. Hide at a cliff and snipe on maximum range. All those wrecks you can see there were due to the superb penetration of its gun.

(http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/shot20140528sq3d5fy41e.jpg)
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 29-05-2014, 09:05:33
Wait. There is no reticle in historical battles? How are you supposed to hit anything then with the crappy gunsight? That is like fireing a sniper rifle without ironsight or crosshair.

The reticle, while unrealistic perhaps, does work. Shells always have the same trajectory. After a while you'll get used to the gun and you'll know about how high you gotta aim, although at very long ranges you usually (realistically) need to fire a couple of shells before you can find the exact elevation.

For example I know by now that with the Tiger II's gun, I have to aim at around 2,5 stripes to hit the part where the Russians usually are from the spot that I'm usually at. As far as I know other shell types require the same amount of stripes, and instead the reticle changes (spaces between stripes get smaller (APCR) or bigger (HEAT)).

So in the end it's all a matter of experience and rangefinding, which makes it quite realistic.
Although ofcourse proper optics wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 29-05-2014, 11:05:36
Got the Tiger now, but I can´t make it work properly. I guess looking for long range engagements is the way to go, so your armour protects you?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-05-2014, 11:05:37
Long range engagements indeed. Or bottleneck situations. for platoon, I have a panther buddy who sticks at my flanks because the tiger is very easily flanked, and more and more people learn to use this way

The 88mm is your friend tough. At 800 meters, i only need 1-2 shots for T34's and even KV85's and IS. Turning your tank 30 degrees towards the enemy (dont know the exact word) will stop those 85mm guns from penetrating you.

Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 30-05-2014, 18:05:25
So, new patch, ended up in a tier 4 game with my panzer 4 f2 since i had tier 4 fighters. What a nightmare.
Still, managed to get 3 kills with my 1000kg bombs :)
First time i flew realistic in an aircraft, damn, its nice and different. I even shot down an enemy fighter!

Edit,
But now my question is, why cant i get into normal tank battles like before? i always end up in tier 4, even when i change all the aircraft to tier 1.

Edit 2,
Fixed it, sucks that i have to change my whole crew layout every time now :(
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Musti on 30-05-2014, 19:05:43
I just shot down a Ju 87 with my T-34, it's wreck has landed right next to me.
I'll be honest, it feels really good.
nvm. I just shot down a Ju 88, I think it's a bit easy and not at all awesome as i thought,
it still feels good though, T-34 L11. best mobile AA this side of the Atlantic.

Do you think they are going to introduce a tank vs tank only mode?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 30-05-2014, 20:05:38
Interesting, i made 2 kills with one shot, apparently shots can make a kill and pass right true the tank to make another kill.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: ajappat on 30-05-2014, 22:05:21
Interesting, i made 2 kills with one shot, apparently shots can make a kill and pass right true the tank to make another kill.
I killed 2 T-28's with one shot from Pz 38. I suspect that ammorack explosion of first T-28 took out both of them.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 31-05-2014, 00:05:53
Interesting, i made 2 kills with one shot, apparently shots can make a kill and pass right true the tank to make another kill.

Maybe it was an ammo rack explosion, which can damage nearby tanks. Don't know about shells passing through, could very well be that they included that too although there aren't many cases where a shell would have the energy and mass left to fully penetrate a first tank and penetrate a second one as well. Would have to be a large APCR shell against very lightly armored targets.

Ammo rack explosions are cool though, once I was rushing into the enemy base with my Panther ausf.D alongside a Tiger. A T-34-85 stood behind a rock ready to ambush us while we drove past at tight formation; he hit the Tiger and instantly blew it up, but the explosion took out my tracks (which made me slide sideways into the rock) and damaged my gun and I was left defenseless. It was like an action scene from a cool movie. 


About the new matchmaking, it means that if I want to play the Panzer IV for once I'm going to have to switch my entire crew loadout to tanks/planes lower than the Panzer IV's battle rating? That sure isn't very user friendly. I hope it's temporarily.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 31-05-2014, 01:05:53
Let me report about my expirience.

My first problem was, that my first crew (the very left one) could not be sent into holiday. That crew is dedicated to destroyer airplanes. If I want to fly a divebomber or level bomber, I have to train that first crew for it. Large con.

I took the Messerschmitt BF 110 and a Pz.Kpfw.III E. I picked the Me110 first and downed an IL-2. By that time, the battle was pretty lost, because the enemy had capped the only point A. I tried to bomb point A, but I wasn't used to the historical flight physics and hit a tree while I missed my target for the bomb by approximately 200 meters. I took the tank and reached point A, where I started to duel an enemy tank. Both the tank and I were killed by a He 111 that crashed into us in an attempt to bomb us. Then the battle was over.

The next battle I took the tank first. I was one-shot 2 times by the same T-28 into the ammo rack. I was finally downed by Flak when I tried to bomb that T-28 in return.


//End of AAR.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 31-05-2014, 11:05:31
Another special thing happened, first i mushroomed my barrel on my t34 somehow, and then when i tried to repair my massively damaged tank i got an 11 minute repair time.... just come and kill me please
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 31-05-2014, 13:05:05
Press ESC, then select abandon vehicle.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 31-05-2014, 20:05:09
(http://s23.postimg.org/5g40sbz6x/shot_2014_05_31_20_27_36.jpg)

So much for that Tiger action...

9/10 times someone hits my Tiger, they destroy my barrel. GG.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 31-05-2014, 20:05:20
Had the same thing on my T34, wrote it a few posts back.
God damn, that F9F jet is awesome!
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 01-06-2014, 02:06:08
In arcade the barrel is often the only 'green' spot on a front armor.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-06-2014, 13:06:44
I LOVE MY HETZER

finally I have a tank that can bounce shots :D
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-06-2014, 13:06:52
The addition of ground forces has brought me back to WT and so far it´s quite enjoyable. I picked the Russians and currently work on getting a T-34.
The BT-7 I just bought is pretty rad, too, since it´s so fast. Racing behind enemy lines and shooting campers in the back is great fun!
Just one question: Should I concentrate on upgrading one crew members vision to the max or upgrade all of them evenly?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 01-06-2014, 14:06:18
Do all evenly first so you have at least 150 'levels' on the crew, then you buy the upgrade, then you can choose what to do with the crew, vitality seems to be very important. View not so much if you play historical like most here. since its is you own eyed that will spot them then. there is no viewrange like in WoT
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-06-2014, 18:06:42
Thanks for the answe, Siben. Though I´ve got to admit that I mainly play arcade mode, so I thought increasing my crews visibility skills would help finding targets faster. Vitality means that the crew will be less injured by impacting hits?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 01-06-2014, 18:06:15
If you hover your mouse over the name of the skill it will give you some info on it. I do what i think is most interesting. honestly i don't know what it all does exactly.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 01-06-2014, 19:06:48
I'd focus on reloading and aiming skills. With all these invinsible tanks every second counts in 1v1 engagements.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Butcher on 01-06-2014, 20:06:50
Every five or so points on reload time it gives you 0.1 sec faster reload speed. This isn´t that worthwhile. But if you spend your points on the cheap perks, you can level up the crew really fast. For the Panzer IV H for example you need a crew level of 200 to buy an expert crew. This then gives you 30 points on reload and half a second faster reload times.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-06-2014, 22:06:04
focus first on vitality. my tiger tanks survivability increased alot when i upgraded all my crew members vitality over 60
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 01-06-2014, 23:06:55
I'm done with this untill they fix the damage models.

I can fire 88mm at T-44s all day long and they don't give a shit, but if they manage to get one side shot their 85mm instakills my Tiger II. I'm getting really tired of this shit.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Dukat on 01-06-2014, 23:06:54
This is what I did regarding view distance:
Loader: 5
Radio Operator: 10
Driver: 15
Gunner: 20
Commander: 25

After having initiated these steps with a difference of 5, I raise them occasionally keeping the relations. I don't have serious problems so far.

But once you reach a value of 30, you neeed at least 10 skillpoints to upgrade to 31 anyway.

But as Theta said, Vitality seems to be key.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-06-2014, 23:06:27
I'm done with this untill they fix the damage models.

I can fire 88mm at T-44s all day long and they don't give a shit, but if they manage to get one side shot their 85mm instakills my Tiger II. I'm getting really tired of this shit.
your not allowed to say that!!!!!

But yeah, you are right. The german tanks die way faster by shells then russian ones.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: McCloskey on 02-06-2014, 16:06:35
So far I haven't bounced off a SINGLE T34 shell below ~250 m in a Tiger. Yes, I'm angling that heavy mofo. A few minutes ago, I fire an 88 shell into T34's turret at less than 50 m. No damage. Yeah, screw this. FH2.4 tanking was way more fun than this.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: siben on 02-06-2014, 16:06:54
Am i the only one here still flying the aircraft?
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-06-2014, 17:06:58
I stuka'd a IS1 today

it felt good

really good.

Personally, i am looking more forward to combined Aerial/naval warfare
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Sander93 on 02-06-2014, 19:06:25
I don't know, it all looked so good on paper. Now that we're experiencing combined land and air battles though it becomes clear it's not really such a fairy tail after all. Planes and ground vehicles are very hard to balance, because one will always be defenseless against the other. A tank (at least not currently) can't defend itself against a dive bomber and will die helplessly, while on the other hand a plane would be incredibly vulnurable to player controlled AA vehicles.

It's sort of a lose-lose situation; dying by something you couldn't do anything about isn't fun for the players, I don't really know how to explain it. I imagine ships/planes action to be too accurate ship AA versus too accurate plane bombs; take any of those features away though and the players will complain about not being able to hit anything. Keep it, and everyone will complain it's too easy to get killled by the other.

It's a game for masses instead of histrocial/realism enthousiasts and as such can not really be balanced with historical factors such as highly inaccurate AA guns/crews or bombs. I hope Gaijin will manage to pull it off but I'll remain pretty skeptical because it will be easy to screw it up.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 02-06-2014, 21:06:39
I stuka'd a IS1 today

it felt good

really good.

Personally, i am looking more forward to combined Aerial/naval warfare

Stuka'd a KV-1 and a T-34-57 on one pass.

Yesterday I stuka'd an su-122, a t-34 and a KV-something on one pass.

So... Yeaaah, it feels great.
Title: Re: War Thunder
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 03-06-2014, 00:06:03
Open to PS4 come tomorrow.  So feel free to pray on us PS4 noobs!