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Title: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 05-08-2012, 18:08:23
Since the militaria-thread covers so many bases but sticks to exclusively military stuff (You don't say?) I thought of making a new thread to all you firearms enthusiasts there!  Here you can post stuff about your own firearms or ask questions relating to firearms and we may be able to help you in that matter.

We will start off with a video on Mosin-Nagant bolt disassembled and reassembled blindfolded.. by ME, not one f me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34CxFir9eY
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: :| Hi on 05-08-2012, 18:08:58
I'm going to be buying a Mosin/K98/.22 this month or the next, what should I look for in the firearm? How do I know whether a barrel is good or not?


Am I going to ever luck out and find a Mosin that someone already got all the cosmoline out of?  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 05-08-2012, 19:08:11
Well, they say that a Ruger 10/22 is the best .22 rimfire rifle money can buy. Semi-auto. When bying a Mosin or K98 you should see if the serial numbers match on the bolt and the receiver, so the gun gets more resale value.

When it comes to barrels, you should check that the chamber is in-line with the bore. It means that when the chamber was made, it's made straight and center.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-08-2012, 20:08:22
I'm going to be buying a Mosin/K98/.22 this month or the next, what should I look for in the firearm? How do I know whether a barrel is good or not?


Am I going to ever luck out and find a Mosin that someone already got all the cosmoline out of?  ;D
Look down the barrel, if the rifling grooves are well visible and a clear depth is seen, then the barrel is good. Look at the barrel wand to see if it issent rusted.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: :| Hi on 05-08-2012, 20:08:30
Yar, Pascucci linked me to a site dedicated to Mosins
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-08-2012, 21:08:59
So i went to luxembourg today and met Ben aka GuinNess of FH2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVE8Y8PsZt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeejqcj7JGg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSi9qN3EqSU

Also fired a SMLE but i forgot to film that...
The SMLE shoots awesome
The garands recoil is heavy..i will never bitch on FH2 again about it. Its realistic!
The Colt 1911 was the best! I love it.
and the luger was a big surprise also. The recoil was harder then other 9mm but yet still nice. it FELT nice

Thanks a bunch GuinNess!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 05-08-2012, 22:08:48
*sigh*

I should have invited myself to this party and brought a toy as well.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-08-2012, 22:08:11
Forgot one little video  ;D
GuiNness shows how it is done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I9BS2NTkeM&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 08-08-2012, 22:08:25
Going to sight in my Rem 700 soon, no idead when exactly, but pics/video will come.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-08-2012, 22:08:05
Going to sight in my Rem 700 soon, no idead when exactly, but pics/video will come.
nice

what calibre?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 09-08-2012, 00:08:24
7.62x51mm NATO, aka .308 Winchester with detachable magazine and synthetic stock.

I have a Bushnell Sportsman 3-9X mounted on it, with a bipod and extra sling attachments, and maybe i'll camo it with something..  ;) I bedded the stock with Acraglas and made the barrel a free-floater (Remington uses the principle where they support the barrel from two points; the receiver and the tip of the stock touching the barrel) The bedding was necessary because the factory stock had so much flex in it that it would affect the accuracy. The whole package including the bedding compound cost about 750€

E: oh and the rounds i'm using will be Sako Range, which come in 50 rnd boxes, cost me 52€. 7.62, Full Metal Jacket (see what i did there?), bullet weight 8grams
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 09-08-2012, 08:08:21
Sometimes it feels horrible to live in Germany...
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-08-2012, 16:08:38
7.62x51mm NATO, aka .308 Winchester with detachable magazine and synthetic stock.

I have a Bushnell Sportsman 3-9X mounted on it, with a bipod and extra sling attachments, and maybe i'll camo it with something..  ;) I bedded the stock with Acraglas and made the barrel a free-floater (Remington uses the principle where they support the barrel from two points; the receiver and the tip of the stock touching the barrel) The bedding was necessary because the factory stock had so much flex in it that it would affect the accuracy. The whole package including the bedding compound cost about 750€

E: oh and the rounds i'm using will be Sako Range, which come in 50 rnd boxes, cost me 52€. 7.62, Full Metal Jacket (see what i did there?), bullet weight 8grams
I would dare to put duel that rifle of yours with one of my surplus rifles  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 23-08-2012, 21:08:33
Hey guys,

I'm looking forward to buy myself a Swiss K31. Now I got already some offers for the rifle itself from different dealers in my country but however I want to fit it with a scope and I've been told to look for steel montage. Does anybody know a good place/dealer where I can buy a complete montage without scope an delivers to Luxemburg (EU) ?

Thx for replys  :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 23-08-2012, 22:08:37
I wouldn't fit it with a scope.  That'll detract from the value of a historical rifle....
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2012, 22:08:26
I wouldn't fit it with a scope.  That'll detract from the value of a historical rifle....
these are diffrent mountings mudra. i saw them at the gunstore. The moving part of the rear sight gets removed and the mounting goes in place. it is a specially designed mounting that doesnt require any drilling nor "destroying" the historical value of the rifle

(http://home.comcast.net/~yzhu/accumount/class1/Swedish/m96_dual_files/image004.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 23-08-2012, 22:08:55
Mkay, I hope so.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2012, 22:08:41
Mkay, I hope so.
They are new and only avaible to a handfull of guns tough.

but i feel exactly like you on that level

one does not mount a scope on a surplus bolt action rifle. not even a common one like amosin nagant or schmidt rubin

only these rear sight scope mountings gets my approval. i saw them at the gunstore, really nifty inventions that keeps everything intact
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 23-08-2012, 22:08:40
That's what I'm looking for: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1666/Product/SWISS-PRODUCTS-SCHMIDT-RUBIN-K31-SCOPE-MOUNT

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2012, 22:08:08
grrr. guinness

you are taking one that requires drilling

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 23-08-2012, 22:08:39
grrr. guinness

you are taking one that requires drilling

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu37.htm

here you go that's what im looking for. "The mount has an ingenious single-point clamp-on mounting system, that does not mark the rifle in any way."
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: flyboy_fx on 24-08-2012, 04:08:10
Just picked up a stripped Spikes Tactical AR15 Zombie Lower! :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 26-08-2012, 22:08:05
Sadly, this weekend two children have died due accidental weapon discharges.

Apparently an 8 year old and a 5 year old were playing with a .22LR rifle when it went off, hitting the younger kid through his head. The police are looking into how the weapon got into the hands of these kids, and how securely it was storaged.

In another case, twelve hours later,  an 11 year old kid was apparently checking fishnets with his (grand?)father and they took a shotgun and a .22LR rifle with them in case they came across some ducks (duck, bear and dove hunting is on in finland right now, and from September 1st till end of February rabbit season). Apparently yhe kid had fired off a few shots, then put the rifle on the bow of the boat. Then when he was leaving or entering the boat he bumped it and it went off, hitting him into his torso, he was died in a hospital.

Thoughts on these incidents? I think that it shows how important it is to teach safe firearm usage and why weapons should be kept out of reach and secured behind a lock and a key.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 26-08-2012, 22:08:24
I keep all my guns UNloaded in a safe and the ammo at another place.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-08-2012, 22:08:09
grrr. guinness

you are taking one that requires drilling

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu37.htm

here you go that's what im looking for. "The mount has an ingenious single-point clamp-on mounting system, that does not mark the rifle in any way."
Nice!



Firearm safety is so dam important. But so many still die because of the lack of safety
First of all, i would keep anyone under 18 years off firearms......
Second. Consider every weapon you see as "Armed"
third. Always check the rifle if it is armed
Fourth. Are you not using it? remove the bullets, and put it on safety


Storing the rifle? UNLOADED and keep ammo seperated. If it is a bolt action rifle, open the bolt to show everyone that it is unloaded.

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 26-08-2012, 23:08:18
First of all, i would keep anyone under 18 years off firearms......
Nope, If you own guns, keeping them off your children is the worst thing you can do. Because sooner or later they will get to them (safes, locks and walls are no obstacle to a child). I'm not saying give guns to them, but teaching them basic gun safety etc.? sure.

About the accident, typical parental stupidity, this time with guns, nothing special.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 27-08-2012, 01:08:58
First of all, i would keep anyone under 18 years off firearms......
Nope, If you own guns, keeping them off your children is the worst thing you can do. Because sooner or later they will get to them (safes, locks and walls are no obstacle to a child). I'm not saying give guns to them, but teaching them basic gun safety etc.? sure.

About the accident, typical parental stupidity, this time with guns, nothing special.

I plan on training my kids when they are old enough (10 or so) at a gun range.  It is better to show them and train them how to be safe, then to have the mysterious locked box full of guns, just waiting to be broken into and played with.  Far better to remove any allure.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-08-2012, 21:08:37
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7664/27082012217.jpg)

my DREAM RIFLE! saw it at the gunstore today. 1944. Very early serial number. NO refurbishment postwar! You can see that this rifle was used in ww2 but it is still in a great shootable condition!


Edit=no i am not psycho
Edit=Yes i have lazer eyes
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 27-08-2012, 22:08:33
Aah, did you find anything else there that was nice for me? I should visit that shop again.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-08-2012, 22:08:48
Aah, did you find anything else there that was nice for me? I should visit that shop again.
Not really got a chance to take a proper look. but i'll do so this week

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 02-09-2012, 21:09:19
Hi folks!

Due weather issues we weren't able to sight my rifle in, so we took our time with the preparations, like aligning the scope vertically and dry-sighting. We also prepped our shooting range by clearing the line of fire and building the target itself, as well as reinforcing our shooting table. Pictures:

The target: wooden paneling that was removed during our sauna renovation, some 2/4s, nailed together, and planted in the ground. The area behind is solid rock, so the shots should stop there.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8303/7916207670_4a7c669c35_z.jpg)

The table and the range: As you can see, the range is on a clearing on our land, so that we can see if someone or something wanders into the firing line. Distance to target is 165 meters, which is more than adequate for shooting birds out of treetops.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8453/7916196378_4336f39f6b_z.jpg)

The table has a lowered sections for bipod use:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7916190718_83414be4b1_z.jpg)

The targets perspective: the table is around here             |
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8457/7916202070_da69fdd931_c.jpg)

The extremely delicate and sophisticated table delivery system  ;D
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8171/7916213816_1afe2ed5c8_z.jpg)

And finally, the rifle itself:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/7916185452_e0baedd81d_c.jpg)

And the camo system: Adhesive camo wrap, that is reusable.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8175/7916179884_4a33239043_c.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2012, 21:09:40
LOOK at that FINE table delivery system! A MARVEL of technology!


What ammo are you gonna shoot? Brand? weight of the bullets?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 02-09-2012, 21:09:10
I believe I've mentioned it before. But it's going to be Sako-brand, 8gram FMJ bullets.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2012, 21:09:40
SAKO and Lapua.....great great ammo


check your PM's btw
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 04-09-2012, 09:09:48
Man, I wish i could build my own little shooting range in my grandfathers woods....nice althought Steel_Lion!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 08-09-2012, 11:09:31
Had a weird malfunction in my shotgun today, the shell extractor didn't remove the empty shell from the chamber, but skipped over the rim and I wasn't able to close the action and had to break the shell free with a knife. On closer inspection I saw that the brass was swollen unevenly and the firing cap had a hole completely through it. So our first and only explanation is a firing cap malfunction.

E: Oh and we're supposed to sight our rifles today, if the wind doesn't kick up.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Biiviz on 08-09-2012, 12:09:48
I've had a weird experience with my shotgun too. It's a 12/76 over/under and I had loaded two 54g Magnum 76mm shells. I shot at a goose or something and the thing kicked my shoulder so hard I was taken by surprise and had to take a step back to keep from getting knocked over. Upon reloading I noticed that both shells had been fired at once. It's never happened since.

It is just a shitty Baikal though, which perhaps explains it. One of the extractors failed to work once as well.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 08-09-2012, 14:09:59
My dad had a similar experience with his Valmet 212 12/70 O/U shotgun, but that was due extreme cold, and something had frozen inside. Oh, and my shotgun is a Valmet 112 12/70 O/U.

Now dad's got a Vursan 2000(or Stoeger, as the Amerikaner call them) semi-auto in 12/76. Dad's current rifle is a Baikal IJ-18M in .222 Rem, and since he's very crafty, he's made all the wooden furniture in it by himself, and also built the bipod as well.

Weather is shitty, so no rifle sighting today.. :(
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Eat Uranium on 08-09-2012, 14:09:23
I know that my dad's oldest Beretta EELL has a very worn down extractor on the top barrel.  Every time I use it I'm careful to make sure the cartridge doesn't slip under it when I'm loading it.  Seen it happen to someone else, though I couldn't hang around to see how they fixed it.  Still, I prefer it to his other gun, since that one weighs a fucking ton and has longer barrels and has a safety that doesn't engage when the barrels are opened.

Also, I knew someone who was infamous for their old side by side gun that had a tendency to double fire.  Made a hell of a noise when it did.  He was such a tight bastard that I think everyone was surprised when they saw him with a new gun that he'd bought.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 08-09-2012, 19:09:01
Weather took a turn to the best possible, so we got out to the range and sighted the rifles in:

The view at the target through the Bushnell Banner 6-18X56 mounted on my dads Baikal.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8175/7956283994_543bfd1ae6_c.jpg)

Me, aiming:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/7956333376_af5708d4de_c.jpg)
I love Boonie hats as shooting hats, they protect the eyes from the sun very well and from a wide angle.

And the most important things, the groupings:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8038/7956257834_c9891a46b4_z.jpg)
Top right, circled red: 1st group, shot by me. This would've been good enough, but dad instructed me to adjust two clicks left.
2nd group: Leftmost red, again by me. As you can see, the correction was too much, so i put it two clicks right again.
3rd group, blue, shot by me: the bottom shot was a runaway, the one above is consistent with other shots, so we decided that this was good enough.
4th group, top red, shot by dad: Nothing to say here. Seems like the rifle is properly zeroed, and I'm able to shoot at 200 meters by aiming at the center of the target, and at 100 meters I'll need to aim 5 cm low.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-09-2012, 19:09:28
nice shot  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 08-09-2012, 21:09:20
Well, last october I shot a capercaillie, one of the most valued game birds in Finland, with my dads Baikal from 145 meters  away after stalking it for about 15 minutes and trying to find a clear line of sight.
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309506_2153153307647_1066143272_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: 69rat on 09-09-2012, 01:09:13
here is the rat in action at the range.

(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q210/69rat/2011-07-11_15-25-43_434.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q210/69rat/2011-07-11_15-51-45_5431-1.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q210/69rat/2011-07-11_15-23-40_6601.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 09-09-2012, 10:09:30
M1 Garand ftw, what is the last gun? HK416 ?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: TimeMachineAssassin on 10-09-2012, 09:09:55
Ill never forget the first time i shot an ak. I have a scar over my right eye, not from the ak but from the scoped 270 i shot afterwards, my eye absorbed the recoil, nobody told me! I remember ak felt "sweet" , perfect for my 11 year old fantasies. Ive never seen a garand that i can remember.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-09-2012, 19:09:32
worst recoil i endured was a handloaded .357 magnum S&W

And GuiNness his garand  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 10-09-2012, 21:09:59
Desert Eagle .50AE
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: 69rat on 11-09-2012, 02:09:22
M1 Garand ftw, what is the last gun? HK416 ?

i don't recall tbh. those were taken on vacation in another state. i have since bought a garand tho. awesome gun.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-09-2012, 19:09:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDSRzAypjg

look at the recoil of bundeswehr newes toy


there is barely any!

Still a vintage person tough..cant believe they are gonna replace MG3  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 23-09-2012, 19:09:06
Why do they replace the MG3 on vehicles too?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-09-2012, 19:09:49
Why do they replace the MG3 on vehicles too?
Quote
The MG3 is still used as the standard secondary weapon of most modern German armoured fighting vehicle designs (e.g. Leopard 2, PzH 2000, Marder), as a primary weapon on light/non-armored vehicles (e.g. LKW 2to, MAN gl-trucks, ATF Dingo) and as an infantry weapon on light bipods as well as different tripods. However, the German Armed Forces will phase out the MG 3 in 2012; they introduced the HK121 in 2011.[citation needed]

Just read that both the MG4 and HK121(MG5) are heavily based on our proven belgian designs, the Minimi and MAG.  Dayum we took over the machinegun market!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 23-09-2012, 20:09:12

Just read that both the MG4 and HK121(MG5) are heavily based on our proven belgian designs, the Minimi and MAG.  Dayum we took over the machinegun market!
It´s still H&K selling the machine gun.  ;)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 24-09-2012, 15:09:43
Worst recoil? of the weapons I own the Jungle carbine, just because the soft rubber patch has gone bone hard over the years. It butt is smaller in size then on the regular Lee Enfield.

Worst recoil ever was a RiotGun loaded with some real high power rounds some guy found in a shop by change. I knew what to expect, I held it really tight and still i had a bruised shoulder and cheekbone + my glasses almost fell off. It was simply ridiculous. It had an extremely violent kickback scaring even the most experienced shooters at the range.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 28-09-2012, 17:09:38
Ok guys, I saw a Ljungman AG-42 in a local gunshop in very nice condition for 800€

Should I buy it? How expensive is the ammo?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-09-2012, 17:09:49
Pvri 6.5x55 swedish is around 50 eurocents here per bullet. The ammo is very good

Norma, Lapua and such all produce this round, i think it is cheaper with these brands
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 28-09-2012, 18:09:21
have fired a couple of hundred rounds the last weeks with the HK416, loving it  ;D

also got to shoot 200 rounds of MG3 because i was the best shooter in my platoon, fucking rape weapon is what it is  ::)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 28-09-2012, 19:09:58
God I wish I was you, Zeno. I've just fired countless shots with RK 95 and IIRC 75 rounds with the crappy KvKK 62, and can't remember how many rounds with the PKM.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 29-09-2012, 09:09:42
we just got word that my Battery have been assigned 10 000 155mm rounds for this year  ;D

there gonna be ALOT of big BOOMS ;)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 29-09-2012, 12:09:40
Have I mentioned that when I went to NCO school in Finland, I was originally in the infantry, or jaegers in Finland, and then transferred to artillery forward observer NCO-school? When I graduated as a Corporal, I was assigned to my old unit, and served mostly as a substitute for the Forward observer officer, covering the bases when the guys that were supposed to their jobs got faked to be sick. And when I got my discharge papers, they apparently had noted my performance and I was discharged as a Forward observer officer with a rank of corporal. Note that Forward observer officers are usually 2nd Lieutenants.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: flyboy_fx on 16-10-2012, 06:10:06
Someone has a K43 in the paper for sale near me. Needing $2000. lol
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-10-2012, 16:10:31
Thats not much dude.....
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: sn00x on 16-10-2012, 17:10:32
i saw one at Cabelas for 3200$ when i was in minnesota, even that was rather cheap
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-10-2012, 17:10:29
In Belgium, a G43 even in bad condition, costs you ATLEAST 2500 euro's. Then im talking about a worn out demill one

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Rabbit032 on 16-10-2012, 17:10:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDSRzAypjg

look at the recoil of bundeswehr newes toy


there is barely any!

Still a vintage person tough..cant believe they are gonna replace MG3  ;D

I can, I think the mg3 is junk. All of the Germans I have worked with have wanted a m249/m240 type. The MG3's super high rate of fire makes it shake WAY to much, causing you to walk off target not to mention how quickly it burns through ammo. Hell half the reason it looks easier to control is the slower rate of rife on it.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 16-10-2012, 18:10:39
Just finished service in the norwegian army. The MG3 there was old as dirt and just garbage. 40 years old, only thing replaced were their barrels. Heavy as fuaark, need one gunner and one loader that carries the ammunition in a backpack that is even heavier than fuark. After firing and you opened it up for cleaning, it was dirtier than Jabba the Hut's crapper after a hangover. It jams if you get one corn of sand in there, and it will continue to jam every second bullet if you don't remove the corn.
The recoil... *on target*BRR**off target*RRRRRRRRRRRRR
Every MG gunner and loader hated it, and hated their lives when they had to drag that weapon around. It had it's golden time, but now it is just... Good riddance

The plus is awesome firepower, and the fact that it is the daughter of the MG42.

The army is replacing them with Minimi's now, allowing two(!) MG's in a 8-man squad.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-10-2012, 18:10:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDSRzAypjg

look at the recoil of bundeswehr newes toy


there is barely any!

Still a vintage person tough..cant believe they are gonna replace MG3  ;D

I can, I think the mg3 is junk. All of the Germans I have worked with have wanted a m249/m240 type. The MG3's super high rate of fire makes it shake WAY to much, causing you to walk off target not to mention how quickly it burns through ammo. Hell half the reason it looks easier to control is the slower rate of rife on it.
The MG3 only works properly with its Tripod yes. Regarding its ROF, it actually hinders it more then it helps. Just as the WW2 MG 42. it was even over-kill with short bursts.

But german fanboys do not believe such blasphemy!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 16-10-2012, 19:10:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDSRzAypjg

look at the recoil of bundeswehr newes toy


there is barely any!

Still a vintage person tough..cant believe they are gonna replace MG3  ;D

I can, I think the mg3 is junk. All of the Germans I have worked with have wanted a m249/m240 type. The MG3's super high rate of fire makes it shake WAY to much, causing you to walk off target not to mention how quickly it burns through ammo. Hell half the reason it looks easier to control is the slower rate of rife on it.

its a hard weapon to control indeed, but bear in mind that it was never designed for picking of solo infantry, its was designed as an area denial weapon that would stop the enemy from shooting back at you. that job it does pretty well as nothing says "GTFO" like a hailstorm of 7.62 spraying you each time you pop your head up  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Heinrich (Mr.Uniwersum_GER) on 16-10-2012, 22:10:41
A friend told to me that we here in Germany still use old MG 42s they got new stamped and reequipped  to the Nato caliber, I have seen it myself , seems like good technology to me :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-10-2012, 22:10:22
Even a WW1 vickers gun can be an effective weapon even today. You just need to use it in the correct way.

Because no modern machinegun will match the suppresive fire of a MG42. Nor will any modern machinegun have the endurance a Vickers/maxim has.
Yes mobility.... But when you are defending, it doesnt matter

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Rabbit032 on 16-10-2012, 22:10:51

Yes mobility.... But when you are defending, it doesnt matter,unless it is of course a chauchat



Fixed
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-10-2012, 22:10:37
Aint nothing wrong with the chauchat my friend. A late war Chauchat with enclosed magazines and out of the trenches was as reliable enough for combat.


Another thing i once read, is that Rof on assault rifles is overrated. When it came to sustained fire, because of overheating with both the M16 and AK47, both weapons could only manage a 15 Rounds a minute operation....Simular to bolt action rifles of WW2.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Comrade Roe on 17-10-2012, 00:10:59
Mini-14 (M1A Springfield of a sort chambered in .223/5.56x45mm) is wonderful with a red dot sight. Light recoil, easy target acquisition, no wonder the Army used to have a 7.62x51mm/.308 version! Or for that matter, still keep a semi automatic version as a marksman rifle.

Also, a Remington 700 in .243 has a little kick but I think I'm just weak. Then again, in my view, any gun that doesn't jam every 5 seconds or break your arm firing is a good gun.  :P
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Rabbit032 on 17-10-2012, 00:10:16
Mini-14 (M1A Springfield of a sort chambered in .223/5.56x45mm) is wonderful with a red dot sight. Light recoil, easy target acquisition, no wonder the Army used to have a 7.62x51mm/.308 version! Or for that matter, still keep a semi automatic version as a marksman rifle.


The m14 pretty good but we could have easily survived without them. If anything the XM2010 is an amazing weapon, and we had one with us on about every mission. The m14 also has a lot of recoil, and you only feel it more in the EBR.

You also can't clean the EBR either, it requires a pretty high up armorer which causes it to start failing at the end of a rotation. Its an old weapon and tried to re-invent, its time to move on from it as it has more problems then benefits.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 17-10-2012, 01:10:55
Friend of mine is a Major in the US Army, with multiple tours in Iraq, and heading to A-stan shortly.  He'd disagree...he equipped half his company with old wood stocked M14 rifles they found in storage in Kuwait (prob left over from the gulf war), and they used them to quite good effect, loving their stopping power and range.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Rabbit032 on 17-10-2012, 01:10:30
Friend of mine is a Major in the US Army, with multiple tours in Iraq, and heading to A-stan shortly.  He'd disagree...he equipped half his company with old wood stocked M14 rifles they found in storage in Kuwait (prob left over from the gulf war), and they used them to quite good effect, loving their stopping power and range.
Cool, a major? I actually carried one on most of my combat patrols, and actually being an NCO, i go out on a lot of missions, its over rated when you have snipers with you. Very jr enlisted got CCO's, everyone else got acogs and then our snipers had 2 XM2010's and a Barret. Its just a pointless weapon when you have all that at your disposal. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the wood stock over EBR as it has more of a natural flow with its recoil rather than the EBR's annoying jerk. But again, with the equipment we had at hand for every mission (especially CAS) it's useless, its that awkward equipment we had that's job was already being covered.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 17-10-2012, 02:10:04
He was an infantry captain during invasion of baghdad.

Also, considering we're having to issue them out in A-stan to cope with long range at 2 per squad, I seriously doubt that it is "useless."  And it isn't just my Major friend who would agree.  I've had this conversation with other buddies of mine in army and marines, and all reached the same conclusion in A-stan, that the M4 is simply unsuitable to ranged combat, and only ok at short range.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Rabbit032 on 17-10-2012, 03:10:03
He was an infantry captain during invasion of baghdad.

Also, considering we're having to issue them out in A-stan to cope with long range at 2 per squad, I seriously doubt that it is "useless."  And it isn't just my Major friend who would agree.  I've had this conversation with other buddies of mine in army and marines, and all reached the same conclusion in A-stan, that the M4 is simply unsuitable to ranged combat, and only ok at short range.
He was an infantry captain during invasion of baghdad.

Also, considering we're having to issue them out in A-stan to cope with long range at 2 per squad, I seriously doubt that it is "useless."  And it isn't just my Major friend who would agree.  I've had this conversation with other buddies of mine in army and marines, and all reached the same conclusion in A-stan, that the M4 is simply unsuitable to ranged combat, and only ok at short range.
I still believe an O-3 still doesn't have the same knowlage that E5,6 or 7you actually doing the work has. Again, we have 2 snipers with xm2010s and a Barret in a M-ATV, we had motars with us and several 240's. You can put down much more effective fire with a 105% 240 than a m14. We had 2 qualified snipers and CAS. Hell the SEALs we worked with didn't even use there's because it was stupid to bring them. Why waste a seat in a truck with someone you don't really need or a weapon that you don't need. Honesty I say cut them and just sell them to the public.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 17-10-2012, 05:10:28
<cough>  My other friends are all between Specialist and various NCO ranks.  And duh a 240 puts down more effective fire than a M14...who was arguing it doesn't?  Indeed, a M14 doesn't replace any of those.  It replaces a M4 carbine with a much more effective rifle.  The other things stay.  Hell, I still remember my marine buddy telling me how they only ever used the burst on their M4's to fuck around, and ONLY used semi in combat.  When you're only using semi, why not have a gun that takes down a guy in one shot?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 17-10-2012, 05:10:57
<cough>  My other friends are all between Specialist and various NCO ranks.  And duh a 240 puts down more effective fire than a M14...who was arguing it doesn't?  Indeed, a M14 doesn't replace any of those.  It replaces a M4 carbine with a much more effective rifle.  The other things stay.  Hell, I still remember my marine buddy telling me how they only ever used the burst on their M4's to fuck around, and ONLY used semi in combat.  When you're only using semi, why not have a gun that takes down a guy in one shot?

This. At the moment there simply isnt anything better for stopping power and the fact that we have large stocks of them laying around makes it a no brainer. It aint worth a shit in full auto but in the DM roll it's been excellent.   
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 17-10-2012, 06:10:09
And as I noted, full auto is being used less and less with the M4/M16's, especially in A-stan with the long ranges.  I have heard nothing but complaints back from my friends, as well as other vets, that they simply can't hit enemies at range because the bullets are so utterly weak, and that the burst is just a  play thing not taken seriously.

I'm not saying the M14 is a perfect solution, but it's a good stop gap until the army's generals can get their collective heads out of their asses and come up with a new rifle that is 7.62 capable.  Then again, these are the same guys who keep trying to prolong the horrible ACU experiment.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 17-10-2012, 07:10:37
Maybe you could explain this to a military noob like me: Is this ACU thing the MARPAT thing and if yes, what is wrong with it? Thanks for replying.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Comrade Roe on 17-10-2012, 13:10:55
ACU is the desert digital camo pattern the U.S. Army uses in Afghanistan at the moment. MARPAT is what the USMC use nowadays, I think.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 17-10-2012, 15:10:40
ACU, the Anti-Camouflage Uniform  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-10-2012, 16:10:58
From afghanistan to Iraq, numorous soldiers have complained about the weak stopping and penetrating power of the 5.56x45. Its a great round for jungle warfare where the range is often only 150 meters. But beyond 125 meters, the 5.56x45 drastically reduces in power.

My cousin was trained with the FNC. He quite liked the rifle....untill in germany he got his hands on a G3. The first thing he asked when he came back in belgium, was to try out the FAL. In our army, automatic fire with the FNC is extremely rare because it is considerd a "Waste of ammo". And the few soldiers who did tried  automatic fire, only find this to be effective at close ranges. There are future plannes to replace the FNC. Well alot of folks have been asking for a .308 chamberd battle rifle again. Both old soldiers as new ones
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 17-10-2012, 17:10:17
But beyond 125 meters, the 5.56x45 drastically reduces in power.
I beg to differ. Fired the G36 on way longer ranges than 125 metres and only at around 300m I experienced problems with side winds and a certain loss of accuracy.
But then, it´s probably also an illusion to think that in a combat situation every shot fired actually hits its target. Lots of ammo is being consumed by supressive fire and it´s just simple math that a soldier can carry more 5.56 than 7.62 rounds.

There´s gonna be a problem when a squads firepower soleley consists of 5.56 weapons. If you have larger calibres in a squad, too longer ranges won´t be a problem, as the heavier weapons can provide cover fire while the rest moves into closer range to engage the enemy. The closer you are to the enemy, the better, to paraphrase a Sergeant Major of my former company.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-10-2012, 17:10:36
But beyond 125 meters, the 5.56x45 drastically reduces in power.
I beg to differ. Fired the G36 on way longer ranges than 125 metres and only at around 300m I experienced problems with side winds and a certain loss of accuracy.

I said power..Not accuracy. the 5.56x45 is actually a pretty darn accurate round, but when it comes to FIREPOWER as in penetrating object, tumbeling in human flesh(aka stopping power) then the 5.56x45 has proven to be very ineffective beyond 125 meters.

I have fired a Civilian G36 at the gunrange. And very nifty guns  ;D    But so much plastic! But atleast the plastic feels hard and strong unlike the Matell M16
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 17-10-2012, 17:10:27
I said power..Not accuracy. the 5.56x45 is actually a pretty darn accurate round, but when it comes to FIREPOWER as in penetrating object, tumbeling in human flesh(aka stopping power) then the 5.56x45 has proven to be very ineffective beyond 125 meters.

Is that even physically possible? I´m by no means good at physics, but I just can´t imagine that an object loses so much energy over such a short distance, simply because of air resistance.
You make it sound like the 5.56 is a BB gun. Got any reliable sources for such claims? 125m is actually a really short distance for a bullet to travel and I´ve actually never heard such complaints.
English Wiki says that standard NATO Ball 5.56 rounds penetrate 3mm of steel at a distance of 600m and , so your 125m claim sounds really, really unrealistic.

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Kelmola on 17-10-2012, 17:10:39
Problem is, 5,56mm ammo was designed with conventional WW3 in mind. Conventional as in WW2, just with modern weapons, in similar environments and engagement ranges, against a similarly equipped enemy. Its main purpose was to wound, because wounding takes more soldiers out from action than killing outright. Nobody certainly expected in the future an extended asymmetric (because guerilla is apparently a four-letter word, as seems to be counterinsurgency) war that is fought in barren terrain with little cover and thus extending engagement ranges to many times greater than those typically found in Europe or Pacific (or Southeast Asia, for that matter). Also, it is considerably more difficult to stop a fanatic who's actually willing to die (preferably taking some enemies with him) for a cause, as opposed to someone who is just "doing his job" and actually trying to survive: while the Soviet economy might have been in shambles, even the average Soviet of the Cold War era had a lot more to lose by dying than the average Taliban of today.

However, one thing has not changed from WW2 is that on average 200 000 (two hundred thousand) bullets are still fired in anger in order to cause one enemy KIA (the main killers being arty, air strikes, tanks, infantry support weapons, hand grenades, and only at the very bottom of the food chain, rifle bullets). The effects of aiming are still negligible, no matter what you are told in basic training: hitting the bullseye "easily" on rifle range (as many are prone to say), or even on manoeuvers in terrain, is very different to a situation where shit just got real, when your heart beats 180bpm, bullets are whistling by your ears, there is an awful lot of noise, explosions, flying dust and debris obscuring the targets, and the enemies are moving, dodging, and taking cover, etc. All that training is just to ensure that when in that 1 in 200 000 situation you are able to take the shot, at other times it's mostly for your own reassurance (plus bullets aimed at the general direction of the enemy are more likely to keep their heads down than those fired into the sky). What really matters is the volume of fire. So having 200 5,56mm shots heading downrange is better than 100 7,62mm shots, the rest is just statistics. Which makes the accuracy and stopping power of 5,56mm round at range rather irrelevant as long as dedicated marksmen and snipers, who are the only ones actually supposed to hit at a distance, have something heavier. Also, just about anyone can reach high ROF with a (semi)automatic weapon, even if taking breaks to let the barrel cool down, whereas the "mad minute" with bolt-action rifles takes lots of drilling and still won't be an easy feat (and the time used to learn this skill, which is made redundant by technology, could be used to learn other skills).
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-10-2012, 17:10:33
The problem with the 5.56x45 round is that it significantly reduces its "Tumbeling and fragment" effect beyond 125 meters. So when it hits a person, it just goes straight trough it. But causes a mere flesh wound if it does not hit any major organs/bones.

This is the same problem The japanese and italians had in WW1/WW2 with there 6.5x50mm rounds.

And the Mujahideen nicknamed the AK 74 the "painfull sting". Because at long ranges the 5.45x39 mere caused a small fleshwound upon impact. It hurted, but it was not threathing if no organ was hit.


Quote
here has been much criticism of the poor performance of the bullet on target, especially the first-shot kill rate when the muzzle velocity of the firearms used and the downrange bullet deceleration do not achieve the minimally required terminal velocity at the target to cause fragmentation.[19] This wounding problem has been cited in incidents beginning in the first Gulf war, Somalia, and in the current conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. In recent lab testing of M855, it has been shown that the bullets do not fragment reliably or consistently from round-to-round, displaying widely variable performance. In several cases, yawing did not begin until 7–10 in of penetration. This was with all rounds coming from the same manufacturer.[19] This lack of wounding capacity typically becomes an increasingly significant issue as range increases (e.g., ranges over 50 m when using an M4 or 200 m when using an M16) or when penetrating heavy clothing, but this problem is compounded in shorter-barreled weapons. The 14.5 inches (37 cm) barrel of the U.S. military's M4 carbine generates considerably less initial velocity than the longer 20" barrel found on the M16, and terminal performance can be a particular problem with the M4.
Combat operations the past few months have again highlighted terminal performance deficiencies with 5.56×45mm 62 gr. M855 FMJ. These problems have primarily been manifested as inadequate incapacitation of enemy forces despite them being hit multiple times by M855 bullets. These failures appear to be associated with the bullets exiting the body of the enemy soldier without yawing or fragmenting.
This failure to yaw and fragment can be caused by reduced impact velocities as when fired from short barrel weapons or when the range increases. It can also occur when the bullets pass through only minimal tissue, such as a limb or the torso of a thin, small statured individual, as the bullet may exit the body before it has a chance to yaw and fragment. In addition, bullets of the SS109/M855 type are manufactured by many countries in numerous production plants.
Although all SS109/M855 types must be 62 gr. FMJ bullets constructed with a steel penetrator in the nose, the composition, thickness, and relative weights of the jackets, penetrators, and cores are quite variable, as are the types and position of the cannelures. Because of the significant differences in construction between bullets within the SS109/M855 category, terminal performance is quite variable—with differences noted in yaw, fragmentation, and penetration depths. Luke Haag's papers in the AFTE Journal (33(1):11–28, Winter 2001) also describes this problem.
—[19]
Despite complaints that the 5.56 round lacks stopping power, others contend that animal studies of the wounding effects of the 5.56×45mm round versus the 7.62×39mm have found that the 5.56 mm round is more damaging, due to the post-impact behavior of the 5.56 mm projectile resulting in greater cavitation of soft tissues.[20] The US Army contended in 2003 that the lack of close range lethality of the 5.56×45mm was more a matter of perception than fact. With controlled pairs and good shot placement to the head and chest, the target was usually defeated without issue. The majority of failures were the result of hitting the target in non-vital areas such as extremities. However, a minority of failures occurred in spite of multiple hits to the chest.


Its ability to penetrate surfaces has also been a major issue. SOCOM was so tired of it, they developed the 6.8 Remington SPC together with remington. This round has already been combat tested. It was found to have only slighty more recoil, but much much more stopping power then the 5.56. The 6.8 SPC delivers double the punch of a 5.56 with also increased accuracy.

And you have a big point Kelmola. But US troops got there asses first kicked in vietnam because they sprayed there entire supply of ammo into the jungle when contact was made. They quickly ran out of ammo and barely hitting anything


Volume of fire is very important.  But i think the germans demonstrated the big effect the 7.92x33 had versus conventional Machine pistols. A 7.92x33 could deliver volume of fire, and when it hitted, it hitted hard. A soldier being wounded by a 7.92x33 Kurz and a soldier being wounded by a 7.62x25 tokarev is a huge diffrence



Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 17-10-2012, 18:10:48
Quote
Despite complaints that the 5.56 round lacks stopping power, others contend that animal studies of the wounding effects of the 5.56×45mm round versus the 7.62×39mm have found that the 5.56 mm round is more damaging, due to the post-impact behavior of the 5.56 mm projectile resulting in greater cavitation of soft tissues.[20] The US Army contended in 2003 that the lack of close range lethality of the 5.56×45mm was more a matter of perception than fact. With controlled pairs and good shot placement to the head and chest, the target was usually defeated without issue. The majority of failures were the result of hitting the target in non-vital areas such as extremities. However, a minority of failures occurred in spite of multiple hits to the chest.
From your own source.

You mix up different factors that might influence terminal balistic, like too short barrels or "bad" shot placement.

As you said, the smaller rounds cause smaller wounds on soft tissues, but as your own source says, if you hit bones or vital organs the story is quite different.

In the end it´s a simple compromise: More rounds available per man but the chance of smaller wounds on extremities or less rounds per man, but larger wounds on extremities?

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: :| Hi on 17-10-2012, 18:10:31
Fuck you guys I just want to look at guns, not get into the great calibre debate of the century.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 17-10-2012, 19:10:34
Well then, have this picture of G3
(http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/uploads/hk_g3_2/g3_rifle_9.jpg)
Aaaand back to the calibres :D, it is the guns thread right?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: :| Hi on 17-10-2012, 19:10:01
You have appeased me Musti, carry on o7
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-10-2012, 20:10:31
(http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as24/fal_stg58.jpg)

This is one of my dreams. a FAL. The one above is an austrian STG 58.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 17-10-2012, 20:10:02
Well then, have this picture of G3
(http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/uploads/hk_g3_2/g3_rifle_9.jpg)
Aaaand back to the calibres :D, it is the guns thread right?

I have one of those at home, A3 Model, I'm currently looking for a scope mount. HK G3 is awsome to shoot and is pretty accurate!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: sn00x on 17-10-2012, 20:10:52
Well then, have this picture of G3
(http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/uploads/hk_g3_2/g3_rifle_9.jpg)
Aaaand back to the calibres :D, it is the guns thread right?

I have one of those at home, A3 Model, I'm currently looking for a scope mount. HK G3 is awsome to shoot and is pretty accurate!

Try looking for the MP5 clamp scopemount if you cant find G3  :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 17-10-2012, 20:10:48
Always loved the look of the 14's. To sexeh.

(http://pro-patria.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/M14_DM.246192456_large.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 17-10-2012, 20:10:25

Try looking for the MP5 clamp scopemount if you cant find G3  :)

I have already the Stanag Mount but the rings are missing (i got the moun for only 75€). I have found 2 dealers but I'm not sure if they gonna ship it to my country. I will call them tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-10-2012, 20:10:56
Always loved the look of the 14's. To sexeh.

(http://pro-patria.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/M14_DM.246192456_large.jpg)
I dont need to no teenage Queen!
I JUST WANT MY M FOURTEEN
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 18-10-2012, 01:10:10
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k619/Hjaldrgud/521431_10151046299411427_763208234_n.jpg?t=1350518973)
My squads foxhole on an exercise. My HK 416N to the left, our MG 3, and another HK with the 40 mm. My HK had the 3x magnifier mounted on. Oh how I miss my Lili Marleen, as I named her.  :'(
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 18-10-2012, 06:10:08
Hjaldrgud, you're from Norway, right? Because it looks like Finland a lot shitton.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: sn00x on 18-10-2012, 11:10:51
Yup, good ol' Norway!  :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 18-10-2012, 16:10:39
Hopefully ill get some videos or pics from our maiden live fire exercise with the 109s in about 2 weeks time  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 18-10-2012, 17:10:13
Hopefully ill get some videos or pics from our maiden live fire exercise with the 109s in about 2 weeks time  ;D

In my mind you were flying with restored BF-109s and shooting the MGs.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-10-2012, 17:10:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wdhN5_RpX4&feature=g-all-c


FAP
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 18-10-2012, 18:10:08
Hopefully ill get some videos or pics from our maiden live fire exercise with the 109s in about 2 weeks time  ;D

In my mind you were flying with restored BF-109s and shooting the MGs.

no THIS is a 109 ;D
(http://www.military-quotes.com/media/data/596/140-4085_IMG.JPG)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 18-10-2012, 20:10:39
Today I discovered a new gunshop here in Luxemburg and of course I went in to check out the place. The owner is very friendly and is specialised on collectors and match gun, so the right place for me :D

The he showed me something veeeeery nice
(http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/12/42/25/27/350px-10.jpg)

He told me that the US Marines are replacing their Berettas with these. Looks awsome. Dear Santa.....
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-10-2012, 20:10:06
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/28/marines-pay-22m-to-go-back-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols/


I cant disagree with them. A .45ACP bullet weights 185 grains on average(not sure what bullets US Marines will use) while a 9mm weights 115 grains. The .45ACP impacts with more joules then the 9mm.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 18-10-2012, 20:10:54
Saw that some time ago, once again coming from the troops on the ground that want to go back to a round that kills more often then maims. There was a bunch of complaining on MP.com about having to go back to the old 7 round mags instead of the 15 of the M9, my question is how much of an issue is this being as its your sidearm?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 18-10-2012, 20:10:39
Saw that some time ago, once again coming from the troops on the ground that want to go back to a round that kills more often then maims. There was a bunch of complaining on MP.com about having to go back to the old 7 round mags instead of the 15 of the M9, my question is how much of an issue is this being as its your sidearm?

I don't see that low-cap mag as an issue, since STI has succeeded in making hi-cap double stack .45 mags without making them ridiculously thick or long.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 18-10-2012, 22:10:03
Another reported problem was the Beretta gumming up like crazy in the desert.  Bryan Suits, the infantry soldier-turned-nco-turned-officer who is a radiohost out here spoke about his Berreta being mostly used as a rather good hammer, and that's it.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-10-2012, 22:10:16
when you grab a 1911. Pull the hammer. Pull back the slide. Let it all slam forward
 It SOUNDS like a solid, piece of steel that doesnt jam..... It gives you that reliable feeling, the same you get from a G3, a FAL, a M14. A mauser or an enfield...it just "feels" right. And often it is right. A beretta...well...its not a horrible gun..

But i fired at the range a 1911(Thank you Ben!), a luger(thank you again!), FN GP(Hi-power), a glock and a beretta...And if i have to compare the beretta to the other designs.. it simply cannot match it.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: sn00x on 21-10-2012, 23:10:32
I'd pick a Walther P38 anyday. Thanks dad <3
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 22-10-2012, 06:10:10
  Oh for shit sakes......The 9mm vs .45 debate.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/Jeremiahthor/Smiles/Jeez.jpg)

I myself like the 9mm.  More penetration, low recoil, more capacity. 

Even though I own a nice Sig Sauer, a Taurus Beretta rip off, a couple nice .380 guns like a SA PPK clone and a wonderful little pocket pistol as well as a couple .45's.

This is the gun I leave the house with every day..........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/Jeremiahthor/SANY0125.jpg)

I am a piece of shit.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 22-10-2012, 15:10:27
.45 all the way!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-10-2012, 16:10:06
I personally felt more recoil with the Taurus 9mm and the Luger, then with the 1911 in .45ACP... Altough i do have to say the FN GP produces less recoil then the 1911.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 22-10-2012, 20:10:11
Well, J.M. Browning had his "fingerprints" on both designs, and I think when he noticed the recoil on the 1911, he made the necessary changes on the Hi-Power. Actually, IIRC he had to circumvent each and every one of his OWN patents to make the gun.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-10-2012, 20:10:54
  Oh for shit sakes......The 9mm vs .45 debate.
That is what this thread was made for. For discussing firearms
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: flyboy_fx on 23-10-2012, 03:10:34
  Oh for shit sakes......The 9mm vs .45 debate.
That is what this thread was made for. For discussing firearms

Correct. Not discussing the two most popular calibers that have been proven through history. So just pick your favorite and you don't have to justify why you like it... we all know it works.

Like the 223 vs 7.62x39. Again, practically the two most popular battle rifle rounds, each has there ups and downs. One is not better than the other.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-10-2012, 16:10:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN8kucao8ds&feature=g-all-u

Not sure if revolver
or 6 round hand cannon
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 27-10-2012, 17:10:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcMDHKXhLAk&feature=g-u-u (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcMDHKXhLAk&feature=g-u-u)

5 awesome .22 LR guns + 1 special.

Or 1 great .22LR gun and 5 pieces of crap.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-10-2012, 21:10:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcMDHKXhLAk&feature=g-u-u (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcMDHKXhLAk&feature=g-u-u)

5 awesome .22 LR guns + 1 special.

Or 1 great .22LR gun and 5 pieces of crap.
wich is the great? wich is the POS?  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 27-10-2012, 21:10:33
Well to be honest, I really liked the look of the Savage. And I like the Ruger for its modular construction. But STG FTW.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-10-2012, 21:10:32
Classic bolt action rifle look is what i like  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: flyboy_fx on 27-10-2012, 22:10:39
You'll never go wrong with a 10/22. I have put 5,000 rounds through it with nothing more than oil. It is needing to be cleaned now.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 27-10-2012, 22:10:39
Classic bolt action rifle look is what i like  ;D

This.. Ill always love the look of blued steel on wood. Looks right, shoots right, and is right.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 27-10-2012, 22:10:47
Yeah, nothing like holding a nice big solid hard wood in your hands and shooting with it.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-11-2012, 17:11:37
Yeah, nothing like holding a nice big solid hard wood in your hands and shooting with it.
(http://forums.allkpop.com/attachments/iseewhatyoudidthere-jpeg.9885/)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIoSdZVir9o&feature=context-gfa
Such a SEXY BEAST
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 12-11-2012, 19:11:49
i belive i have won the Caliber competition (if there ever was one)  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-11-2012, 19:11:40
i belive i have won the Caliber competition (if there ever was one)  ;D
Better call my far away uncle and let him post here, he was a M110 gunner. 8Inch gun  ;D

Does the US still use the 8Inch howitzer??? the M110?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 11-12-2012, 18:12:13
So, I think it's time to make you guys jalous again. Today I went in the gunshop and I bought this

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4050/img0784tn.jpg)

A Browning  M1919A4, Fully operational but unfortunately without tripod but that should'nt be so hard to find one ;)
Hopefully I get it before New Year's Eve to test it ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 11-12-2012, 18:12:58
Jealous as fuck  :o

By the way, where's the front sight?  ???
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 11-12-2012, 18:12:46
It's folded down.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 11-12-2012, 18:12:09
...wait what?!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-12-2012, 18:12:20
Cant wait to hold that baby in my arms  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 11-12-2012, 20:12:12
Can you guys have full auto over there?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: th_battleaxe on 11-12-2012, 20:12:57
Note to self: do not go to Luxemburg without bringing enough 30-06 ammo to last a platoon for 2 months
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 11-12-2012, 21:12:49
Oh how I hate you now |:
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 11-12-2012, 21:12:21
Haters gonna hate. Actually, even gun fans of this forum will hate, since so much awesome can't be handled.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 11-12-2012, 22:12:18
pics from my first LFX (live fire exercise)

http://mediearkiv.forsvaret.no/fotoweb/PreviewCR.fwx?position=422&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=&fileId=3CCE30B086624DB993A33C4A8C56AEEEBDB262EAA857D0DF79516633EDA4AB0F31A892A312C504B4221B634FF65FF9047F5C1F971998DF3CC444A23AEB50E2DE48EDC9B63BA2623C88378136A2C9402E08DD1A4B82E5EEA77507577C00BA6E0D1EE57B748B60EF732A64079A5BDEB732041F73294DE64DCC2DEE11CDEF0577C3950D359C0A019C5EF6C2597B6D5BDC50EA3F7571B15383E5D776DA84DCA68FA76A5A1E45BBBE43C3BFDD9F69E8DAEE87E495F8B47BE3831F (http://mediearkiv.forsvaret.no/fotoweb/PreviewCR.fwx?position=422&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=&fileId=3CCE30B086624DB993A33C4A8C56AEEEBDB262EAA857D0DF79516633EDA4AB0F31A892A312C504B4221B634FF65FF9047F5C1F971998DF3CC444A23AEB50E2DE48EDC9B63BA2623C88378136A2C9402E08DD1A4B82E5EEA77507577C00BA6E0D1EE57B748B60EF732A64079A5BDEB732041F73294DE64DCC2DEE11CDEF0577C3950D359C0A019C5EF6C2597B6D5BDC50EA3F7571B15383E5D776DA84DCA68FA76A5A1E45BBBE43C3BFDD9F69E8DAEE87E495F8B47BE3831F)

http://mediearkiv.forsvaret.no/fotoweb/PreviewCR.fwx?position=437&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=&fileId=3CCE30B086624DB993A33C4A8C56AEEEBDB262EAA857D0DF79516633EDA4AB0F31A892A312C504B4221B634FF65FF9047F5C1F971998DF3CC444A23AEB50E2DE48EDC9B63BA2623C88378136A2C9402E08DD1A4B82E5EEA773EAF66E1A6C782BE5A4C7FC3F0A49C5037875DF02E88CBC041F73294DE64DCC308BF3C6B68C5EEB950D359C0A019C5EF6C2597B6D5BDC50EA3F7571B15383E5D776DA84DCA68FA76A5A1E45BBBE43C3BFDD9F69E8DAEE87E495F8B47BE3831F (http://mediearkiv.forsvaret.no/fotoweb/PreviewCR.fwx?position=437&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=&fileId=3CCE30B086624DB993A33C4A8C56AEEEBDB262EAA857D0DF79516633EDA4AB0F31A892A312C504B4221B634FF65FF9047F5C1F971998DF3CC444A23AEB50E2DE48EDC9B63BA2623C88378136A2C9402E08DD1A4B82E5EEA773EAF66E1A6C782BE5A4C7FC3F0A49C5037875DF02E88CBC041F73294DE64DCC308BF3C6B68C5EEB950D359C0A019C5EF6C2597B6D5BDC50EA3F7571B15383E5D776DA84DCA68FA76A5A1E45BBBE43C3BFDD9F69E8DAEE87E495F8B47BE3831F)

My killer-machine on the left: "Gangerolv"  ;D

http://mediearkiv.forsvaret.no/fotoweb/PreviewCR.fwx?position=438&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=&fileId=3CCE30B086624DB993A33C4A8C56AEEEBDB262EAA857D0DF79516633EDA4AB0F31A892A312C504B4221B634FF65FF9047F5C1F971998DF3CC444A23AEB50E2DE48EDC9B63BA2623C88378136A2C9402E08DD1A4B82E5EEA773EAF66E1A6C782BE5A4C7FC3F0A49C5E27C4F2298966F05041F73294DE64DCCAE4182A8D65FB6F3950D359C0A019C5EF6C2597B6D5BDC50EA3F7571B15383E5D776DA84DCA68FA76A5A1E45BBBE43C3BFDD9F69E8DAEE87E495F8B47BE3831F (http://mediearkiv.forsvaret.no/fotoweb/PreviewCR.fwx?position=438&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=&fileId=3CCE30B086624DB993A33C4A8C56AEEEBDB262EAA857D0DF79516633EDA4AB0F31A892A312C504B4221B634FF65FF9047F5C1F971998DF3CC444A23AEB50E2DE48EDC9B63BA2623C88378136A2C9402E08DD1A4B82E5EEA773EAF66E1A6C782BE5A4C7FC3F0A49C5E27C4F2298966F05041F73294DE64DCCAE4182A8D65FB6F3950D359C0A019C5EF6C2597B6D5BDC50EA3F7571B15383E5D776DA84DCA68FA76A5A1E45BBBE43C3BFDD9F69E8DAEE87E495F8B47BE3831F)

from the same excercise:
Got into contact in the middle of the night while on 12.7(mm) guard duty, suddenly the gun next to me oppens fire and starts screaming over comms that they are just 50m infront of us. the next thing i know is my whole platoon charging into positions and me shooting like crazy with the 12.7. Even though it was only blanks it felt really intense and realistic.  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 12-12-2012, 00:12:56
Your pictures...they broken.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 12-12-2012, 08:12:30
Can you guys have full auto over there?

Yes, we are allowed to own them meaning when we got the gun we have to put them in the safe and then it has to stay there. Basically it's meant that collectors have the chance to get their hands on those types of weapons without destroying its real valor.
I didn't just bought that baby because i'm a gunfan but also as an 'investment'.
I had to pay 1400€ for the browning and comparing to a demilled m1919 from Arlon militaria fairs that's dirt-cheap, you wont find one there under 2000€
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 12-12-2012, 09:12:28
Again, I have nothing against the M1911, but I still don't understand why the USMC would return to those low-cap old (perfectly working) designs. FN FNP-45 has 15 round mags and fires dem .45 ACP rounds. Why not use those? Probably too expensive for the USMC.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 12-12-2012, 09:12:33
Again, I have nothing against the M1911, but I still don't understand why the USMC would return to those low-cap old (perfectly working) designs. FN FNP-45 has 15 round mags and fires dem .45 ACP rounds. Why not use those? Probably too expensive for the USMC.

Americains love their .45ACP for more than over 100 years.
Maybe the FN is more expensive but don't forget obama wants to push his economy so to me it sounds logical that they prefer an american manufacture or does FN have a facility in the USA?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hslan.Corvax on 12-12-2012, 12:12:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIoSdZVir9o&feature=context-gfa
Such a SEXY BEAST

Aaaaaaah <3 I miss mine :( Still one of the best assault rifles ever. Nothing beats the easiness and efficiency of this baby :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 12-12-2012, 13:12:13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIoSdZVir9o&feature=context-gfa
Such a SEXY BEAST

Nothing beats the easiness and efficiency of this baby :)
the ugliness beats it  :P
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-12-2012, 15:12:01
Again, I have nothing against the M1911, but I still don't understand why the USMC would return to those low-cap old (perfectly working) designs. FN FNP-45 has 15 round mags and fires dem .45 ACP rounds. Why not use those? Probably too expensive for the USMC.
NIH

"Not invented here"

same goes for the SCAR and dozens of other foreign weapon designs rejected by the US military
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 12-12-2012, 17:12:14
pics from my first LFX (live fire exercise)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532227_407269856012475_2141752828_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63766_407269886012472_41567266_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/540147_407269806012480_992922146_n.jpg)

My killer-machine: "Gangerolv"  ;D

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/1030_407269809345813_883526676_n.jpg)

from the same excercise:
Got into contact in the middle of the night while on 12.7(mm) guard duty, suddenly the gun next to me oppens fire and starts screaming over comms that they are just 50m infront of us. the next thing i know is my whole platoon charging into positions and me shooting like crazy with the 12.7. Even though it was only blanks it felt really intense and realistic.  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 12-12-2012, 17:12:16
that looks cold as hell.

tenker du satte pris på 600-grammen  :P
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 12-12-2012, 20:12:04
Again, I have nothing against the M1911, but I still don't understand why the USMC would return to those low-cap old (perfectly working) designs. FN FNP-45 has 15 round mags and fires dem .45 ACP rounds. Why not use those? Probably too expensive for the USMC.

Americains love their .45ACP for more than over 100 years.
Maybe the FN is more expensive but don't forget obama wants to push his economy so to me it sounds logical that they prefer an american manufacture or does FN have a facility in the USA?

I think they have to. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Herstal   Yup...
I believe that is part of deal when the USA adopts any new weapon system.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-12-2012, 20:12:34
FNP is not designed by FN USA, but by FN herstal. It is produced however in FN USA.

But yeah it was part of the deal, wich FN Herstal dint minded at all, because the herstal factory has always been producing at its limit.


Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 12-12-2012, 20:12:19
  Pretty sure Beretta had to do the same thing.....The USA never knows who they are gonna invade next so in the off chance we decide to invade Luxembourg we don't want Italy and Belgium getting all pissy and cutting off our weapon supply.  :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-12-2012, 20:12:43
we belgians control your beer and your guns!

WE GOT YOU BY THE BALLS AMERICA!


And dont think of invading us. Our entire army is well equipped with the latest technology and equipment

All 50 soldiers
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 12-12-2012, 21:12:18
Guiness, that Browning is lovely!  :P
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 12-12-2012, 21:12:25
Can you guys have full auto over there?

Yes, we are allowed to own them meaning when we got the gun we have to put them in the safe and then it has to stay there. Basically it's meant that collectors have the chance to get their hands on those types of weapons without destroying its real valor.
I didn't just bought that baby because i'm a gunfan but also as an 'investment'.
I had to pay 1400€ for the browning and comparing to a demilled m1919 from Arlon militaria fairs that's dirt-cheap, you wont find one there under 2000€

Just to make shure, you are still allowed to take it to the range, right? Besides, that price is mind blowing.
They were selling some in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area (deactivated) for over 5000$! For a working one, be ready to spend more than 30,000$ over here!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 12-12-2012, 22:12:19
that looks cold as hell.

tenker du satte pris på 600-grammen  :P

the 600-gram was in constant use  ;D

the worst part were the ice, drifting with a 25 tonn artillery piece for 10 hours straight is not as cool as it sounds when you are sitting inside bumping around like a ball.  ::)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 13-12-2012, 08:12:55
Just to make shure, you are still allowed to take it to the range, right? Besides, that price is mind blowing.

Nope, you only can OWN them, you are NOT allowed to take them to the range.
However you can take some fullautos that have been modified to shoot only semi to the range, like a Thompson, PPSH, AK47, basically assault rifles and smgs, not lmgs or mgs.

The rest I tell you in your pm


Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-12-2012, 18:12:00
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/%D0%90%D0%9A-12_2.jpg

This is Russia's latest toy, the AK-12. It will most likely replace the current AK-74 as the Russian army budget has been increased and they have went the way to remove most soviet era equipment



But what i find rather funny, is the bayonet. check how long it is  ;D
Probaly requested by Putin himself   ;D 
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 18-12-2012, 21:12:19
Put in my order for 2 service grades (1 Springfield and 1 H&R) Garands. Ill post pics whenever they arrive which will likely be a month or so from now. Sohappy.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 26-12-2012, 21:12:43
Put in my order for 2 service grades (1 Springfield and 1 H&R) Garands. Ill post pics whenever they arrive which will likely be a month or so from now. Sohappy.

Thats's great to hear, mate! Did you buy it via the CMP?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 26-12-2012, 21:12:14
Put in my order for 2 service grades (1 Springfield and 1 H&R) Garands. Ill post pics whenever they arrive which will likely be a month or so from now. Sohappy.

Thats's great to hear, mate! Did you buy it via the CMP?

Yep, now the wait.. Its almost like an extended Christmas. =D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 26-12-2012, 22:12:44
Believe me, I know exactly how you feel! The joy when it finally arrives is simply... breath taking.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 26-12-2012, 22:12:45
Ive been looking at the recent Garand arrivals people have been getting from them, definitely not hard on the eyes.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: 69rat on 27-12-2012, 04:12:15
Ive been looking at the recent Garand arrivals people have been getting from them, definitely not hard on the eyes.

i randomly walked into a gun shop by my house and came across a garand that they happened to have and bought it. awesome gun. have to reload ammo because of the powder burn rate. off the shelf 30-06 jams up. i love hearing the sound of the clip pop  out after the last shot.  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 27-12-2012, 04:12:08
Its also hard on the rifle, i know there are adjustable gas blocks available if you want to shoot low grain commercial loads, Hornaday also makes a specific (yet expensive) commercial load for the Garand.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 27-12-2012, 05:12:36
I got a k98 from good old Father Christmas ( a very unexpected surprise present from my dad as a combined birthday/Christmas present) 

I'll post pics soon!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 06-01-2013, 06:01:52
New Springfield rebuild in the 1.5m range.
Got it free from a friend who is moving back to Chicago (cant beat that price ;)). Still got 2 on the way btw. D:
Its sitting good furnature and has almost no throat wear. Ill take it out tomorrow and see how she does.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img401/2519/20130105222421.jpg)

Sorry for the crappy light btw its late. :[
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Oddball on 06-01-2013, 07:01:45
New Springfield rebuild in the 1.5m range.
Got it free from a friend who is moving back to Chicago (cant beat that price ;)). Still got 2 on the way btw. D:
Its sitting good furnature and has almost no throat wear. Ill take it out tomorrow and see how she does.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img401/2519/20130105222421.jpg)

Sorry for the crappy light btw its late. :[

Give my condolences to your friend. As if moving to Chicago alone isn't bad enough... =\ On the positive side, looks like a nice M1.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 06-01-2013, 07:01:36
Well the bright side is he can shoot it whenever he wants when he flys back up. If he does decide he wants his freedom back id be happy to return it. 
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-01-2013, 15:01:41
I got a k98 from good old Father Christmas ( a very unexpected surprise present from my dad as a combined birthday/Christmas present) 

I'll post pics soon!
Where are the pics!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Comrade Roe on 12-01-2013, 03:01:36
Is sad day. Everyone's buying up all the firearms and ammo so I can't get much to shoot at the range or hunt with.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 12-01-2013, 19:01:06
Any reasonably person would keep like 100 bullets in reserve, no? isn't that plenty? i have not even shot that many bullets true my k98 in the past 4 years.

And if you mean .22lr, just buy 1000 of them in a box and shoot away, don't tell my you always buy 1 box of bullets and then shoot it all. That is just silly.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 13-01-2013, 03:01:41
I love blowing through .22's. Most of the time i take my sweet ass time at targets 100 yards+ with my centerfires but every now and then the urge to slap a drum on the 10/22 and go to town on a pumpkin is too great to resist. 
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Yustax on 13-01-2013, 04:01:10
I upgraded my M24 SWS with a Leupold LR/T M1 Mark 4 3.5-10X and now it looks like the M24 from Proyect Reality.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/DSCN0067_zpsd6484f22.jpg)

What its missing is the proper Badger Ordnance M24 mount (like 150 bucks) and the rear mount for iron sights that cost 25 bucks, and installation, like 70 (they have to drill through the receiver).

And then for the finale, scratch off the Remington Logo, and laser engrave, Remington model 700 M24. And my M24 SWS project will be at its end....then comes the accessories (proper hard case, the tools and so on).

I will leave the M1 as I like it better, in real life, the M24 use the Leupold MK4 M3 LR/T.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 13-01-2013, 06:01:48
Looks great! 
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Yustax on 13-01-2013, 06:01:25
Wait until I camo her....with the same colors as the BF2 M24, it just looks so damn good.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Oddball on 13-01-2013, 09:01:58
Wait until I camo her....with the same colors as the BF2 M24, it just looks so damn good.

Are you going to paint the Leupold, too?  :-\
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-01-2013, 10:01:23
I love blowing through .22's. Most of the time i take my sweet ass time at targets 100 yards+ with my centerfires but every now and then the urge to slap a drum on the 10/22 and go to town on a pumpkin is too great to resist.
and at the end of the day, you fired hundreds and hundreds of .22's and only payed little
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Yustax on 13-01-2013, 18:01:42
Are you going to paint the Leupold, too?  :-\

Absolutely. It has to be mil-spec, and everyone that camo their rifle paint the scope as well. But you gotta be extra careful.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 13-01-2013, 21:01:02
I love blowing through .22's. Most of the time i take my sweet ass time at targets 100 yards+ with my centerfires but every now and then the urge to slap a drum on the 10/22 and go to town on a pumpkin is too great to resist.
and at the end of the day, you fired hundreds and hundreds of .22's and only payed little

Exactly.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Comrade Roe on 16-01-2013, 04:01:02
Any reasonably person would keep like 100 bullets in reserve, no? isn't that plenty? i have not even shot that many bullets true my k98 in the past 4 years.

And if you mean .22lr, just buy 1000 of them in a box and shoot away, don't tell my you always buy 1 box of bullets and then shoot it all. That is just silly.
When we go to the range, we shoot a lot of it off. We all have reserves, like you say any reasonable person would, but there's never enough, y'know?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 16-01-2013, 13:01:57
Heading up to Ohio to visit family next month and thinking about taking a swing by the CMP north store just to take a look. Im going to have to leave my wallet at home because ill be like a kid who ran off with his parents credit card and found a candy store.

A little video showing the south store for those of you who dont know wtf im going on about. =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9S9gDcTPuU

 
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 21-01-2013, 16:01:46
So!  Who here wants to shriek in horror? :D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326712756
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: th_battleaxe on 21-01-2013, 16:01:15
So!  Who here wants to shriek in horror? :D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326712756

How bad can it...

Wait...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGHH
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 21-01-2013, 17:01:00
what
what!?
WHAT!?
Oh god, this is awful! Why is this even...
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 21-01-2013, 17:01:47
Well, to cure that rape, have an StG-44 copy in .22LR
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 21-01-2013, 18:01:25
The repro STG44 .22LRs are not original, so who cares :P
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-01-2013, 18:01:24
So!  Who here wants to shriek in horror? :D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326712756
WHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
SON OF AN
MOTHERFUCKER

Well, to cure that rape, have an StG-44 copy in .22LR
Dude those are awesome. If i ever have the cash, im getting an Volkssturmgewehr 1-5 copy by ZA Kulmbach GmbH in Kulmbach, Germany. In the origenal 7.92x33 Kurz calibre tough

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 21-01-2013, 19:01:43

Well, to cure that rape, have an StG-44 copy in .22LR
Dude those are awesome. If i ever have the cash, im getting an Volkssturmgewehr 1-5 copy by ZA Kulmbach GmbH in Kulmbach, Germany. In the origenal 7.92x33 Kurz calibre tough

http://www.hza-kulmbach.de/index.php

It says they are closing the business...no wonder 7000€ for a repro FG42 is definately too much.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 21-01-2013, 20:01:42

Well, to cure that rape, have an StG-44 copy in .22LR
Dude those are awesome. If i ever have the cash, im getting an Volkssturmgewehr 1-5 copy by ZA Kulmbach GmbH in Kulmbach, Germany. In the origenal 7.92x33 Kurz calibre tough

http://www.hza-kulmbach.de/index.php

It says they are closing the business...no wonder 7000€ for a repro FG42 is definately too much.

Ahhh man....I loved looking and dreaming of the groovy shit from that company.   :(
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 21-01-2013, 20:01:35
Why's everyone screaming?  :o
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 21-01-2013, 20:01:45

http://www.hza-kulmbach.de/index.php

It says they are closing the business...no wonder 7000€ for a repro FG42 is definately too much.
In 2010 I had the chance to visit the Nuremburg arms fair called "IWA" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWA_%26_OutdoorClassics) and as far as I can remember stumbled upon the HZA booth. As a buddy and me were eying their FG42 one their employees gave them to us to "finger-f*ck". Naturally both of us were quite impressed, since we´ve only had touched modern firearms which feel quite different from those old ones. Too bad they had to close, but as you said, 7k Euro for a rifle is lots of cash...
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-01-2013, 22:01:16
then why is there website still online  :o   
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 21-01-2013, 23:01:35
Well, to cure that rape, have an StG-44 copy in .22LR

I just realized that I didn't post the link to the video I wanted to show that explains my statement. Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdAole8z-K0
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 22-01-2013, 01:01:08
Why's everyone screaming?  :o

Look at the link I posted.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 22-01-2013, 01:01:49
So!  Who here wants to shriek in horror? :D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326712756

I can usually see why someone takes a hacksaw to say a mosin for example, be it to mount a receiver base, shorten the bbl, etc... But that hackjob literally makes no sense at all, in fact he degraded any use that rifle had.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 22-01-2013, 03:01:29
So!  Who here wants to shriek in horror? :D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326712756

I can usually see why someone takes a hacksaw to say a mosin for example, be it to mount a receiver base, shorten the bbl, etc... But that hackjob literally makes no sense at all, in fact he degraded any use that rifle had.

Bullshit.   Now it is a great CCW!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 23-01-2013, 00:01:19
So!  Who here wants to shriek in horror? :D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326712756

I can usually see why someone takes a hacksaw to say a mosin for example, be it to mount a receiver base, shorten the bbl, etc... But that hackjob literally makes no sense at all, in fact he degraded any use that rifle had.

Bullshit.   Now it is a great CCW!

I guess the line "Do you have a boyes in your pants or are you just happy to see me?" would finally be relevent then.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 27-01-2013, 02:01:07
Look what the gun show fairy brought me!


(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/73365_10101510286670261_1779229209_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/734622_10101510286685231_1597637270_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/295463_10101510286680241_1675367841_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 27-01-2013, 05:01:29
Excellent!
A Steyr has been on my list for a while now, good looking rifle.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 28-01-2013, 01:01:31
Welcome to the Steyr club! Now get the carbine as well  :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 28-01-2013, 02:01:10
Nah :P  Only was interested in the long rifle.


I'm now either looking for a Radom pistol, or an early breechloader like the Wrendl, M1871, Enfield-Snyder, Chassepot, etc.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-02-2013, 20:02:29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7_xeDJnGKg&feature=youtu.be


First time i shot a lever action and man it was epic :D

Winchester .357 magnum
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 03-02-2013, 22:02:14
Two things:

1. I'm jealous.
2. Don't film with a potato next time.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 04-02-2013, 17:02:52
A scope on a lever? Basterd.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2013, 21:02:51
The type he has were sold with the scope. Its still the same rifle he bought years and years ago


I dint used the scope later on. I am an iron sights man.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Yustax on 06-02-2013, 19:02:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7_xeDJnGKg&feature=youtu.be


First time i shot a lever action and man it was epic :D

Winchester .357 magnum

Cool rifle but I dislike inside range.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 06-02-2013, 19:02:10
U need more hats and cigars to use that rifle properly.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 06-02-2013, 20:02:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7_xeDJnGKg&feature=youtu.be


First time i shot a lever action and man it was epic :D

Winchester .357 magnum

Cool rifle but I dislike inside range.
outdoor range is closed in the winter till february 9th


U need more hats and cigars to use that rifle properly.
When we go outdoors, sure ;)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-02-2013, 13:02:29
i hate glocks


first time i fired a glock yesterday at the range

first shot the empty case ejected out of the gun, into my neck, nice and hot.............

So i grab the thing and then cut myself to the sharp edge...

Also i had 7 misfires with .22LR ammo in my little bolt action rifle


i was a bad luck brain yesterday :/
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 16-02-2013, 14:02:23
Biggest problem of Glocks is the "spongy" trigger pull, mostly because the connecting surfaces are so rough. If you use some sanding paper and files to make them shine it will be a lot better. And then there's the thing that it is built on a polymer frame. The frame, even though it is extremely solid, is still plastic, and it will flex a bit.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 16-02-2013, 14:02:09
Really liked the Glock 9mm i fired a couple of months ago. Its a fun weapon to shoot for me.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 16-02-2013, 14:02:35
Just because something is made of plastic does not mean that is flexes more then metal. Just saying.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Kading on 16-02-2013, 15:02:28
Really liked the Glock 9mm i fired a couple of months ago. Its a fun weapon to shoot for me.
I really didn't like the sights on the Glock, they seemed to completely obscure the aim point for me. Much prefer the sights like that found on a Baretta.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 16-02-2013, 15:02:08
I've shot a berreta too that day and to be honest i prefered the glock. It didn't jam a single time, and i could score on the metal pop ups easier. Also shot a Jericho 941. Too heavy for my taste.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-02-2013, 16:02:30
Once i shot GuinNess his colt 1911, i knew what to get

Once my paperwork arrives its off to the store for a .22LR Colt 1911


Or should it ever appear=the converted Makarov PM to .22LR
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 16-02-2013, 19:02:54
Both sound great choices.. I'd probably take the Makarov for its fixed barrel accuracy. And because it looks like a Walther PPK.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 16-02-2013, 19:02:36
@TheTa

Sounds like a great choice to me! But one dearly meant advice-get the Colt in .45 ACP, otherwise you'll miss A LOT. Same thing goes for the Makarov. I assume that it's those pitiful European legal restrictions that keep you from getting it in the "right" calibre. That's what I love about Texas: You want it, you buy it. All nice and simple.  :P
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-02-2013, 19:02:00
@TheTa

Sounds like a great choice to me! But one dearly meant advice-get the Colt in .45 ACP, otherwise you'll miss A LOT. Same thing goes for the Makarov. I assume that it's those pitiful European legal restrictions that keep you from getting it in the "right" calibre. That's what I love about Texas: You want it, you buy it. All nice and simple.  :P
On my sport shooting license i can only register pistols in .22LR. A colt in .45ACP is the plan ofcourse, but in a year or so
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 16-02-2013, 19:02:21
I'd say get both :D. Spending 10$ on Sunday all-day plinking can't be wrong.
With that license, can you register .22LR rifles?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 16-02-2013, 19:02:31
Glad to hear that, mate!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-02-2013, 20:02:23
I'd say get both :D. Spending 10$ on Sunday all-day plinking can't be wrong.
With that license, can you register .22LR rifles?
Yes bolt action rifles can be registered in .22LR, aswel as any military bolt action rifle up to certain calibres

The plan is to register my remaining rifles=
-Mosin nagant 1925 ishvekh, hexa reciever
-Mauser K98k
-No 5 MK 1 jungle carbine lee enfield
-K31 swiss awesomeness
-Swedish mauser Gevar 96
-Steyr mannlicher M95
-M1917 Enfield

Then a pistol in .22LR and a bolt action rifle in .22LR
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 16-02-2013, 20:02:10
Can you guys have semi-autos, too? Like Aks, Ar-15s, etc.?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-02-2013, 20:02:30
Yes but for these you need a gun Permit. Gun permits are requested per Gun. A sport shooting license allows you to buy whatever sport shooting weapon you want

I get the license. And lets say i register this this this and that.

but lets say i want  Acolt 1911 and a SVT tokarev. these are semi-auto weapons. For each of these i need to request a permit, wich gets approved yes or no. lets say Model 4 semi-auto permit. I get it, then i can go to the store and say=hey i want that Colt 1911


Sport shooting license allows me=
-To fire revolvers of somebody with a permit or the gun club at the range( Category A)
-To buy and fire Pistols of .22LR calibre. Shooting is only allowed at the Club(Category B)
-To buy and fire small calibre smoothbore shoulderweapons (A single shot shotgun) (Category C)
-To buy and fire Bolt action rifles with rifled bore (Certain calibre limitations however) (category D)
-To fire black powder weapons. Black powder guns can be bought without any license. Shooting them requires one tough (Category E)

-
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 16-02-2013, 20:02:01
Yes, there are 2 licences. The sporting one where you can buy clasic shotguns, any bolt action in any calibre (no .50 ofcourse) or pistol in .22lr and the one that is weapon specific and you have to ask for every time you buy something that is not covered in the first licence. This is anything semi-automatic (except a .22lr pistol) or revolver.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-02-2013, 20:02:56
Yes. a .22LR rifle in semi-auto is permit required however.

Any revolver is also permit required
...because
..according to our MIGHTY SUPER RIGHT BELGIAN FIREARM LAWS
a revolver does not leave cases behind....sothats why you need a permit..
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 16-02-2013, 21:02:35
A permit for each semi-automatic firearm?  :o
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 16-02-2013, 22:02:15
Meanwhile in Finland: Every gun you get will need a buying permit first. When you are buying a gun, you need a certificate that you have a hobby that requires the said firearm. You need to have the buying permit for EXACTLY the gun you're going for. Then the buying permit is converted into a carrying permit.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 16-02-2013, 22:02:20
A permit for each semi-automatic firearm?  :o

Ofcourse

Meanwhile in Finland: Every gun you get will need a buying permit first. When you are buying a gun, you need a certificate that you have a hobby that requires the said firearm. You need to have the buying permit for EXACTLY the gun you're going for. Then the buying permit is converted into a carrying permit.

Almost like here, you need to be a member of a club, go to a shop, pick your weapon, buy it, leave it in the shop, start the paperwork mill (normally about 4 months, sometimes faster but that is so rare that one might think it is a mistake of the registration office) and then you can go pick it up. Oh yeah, the administration costs 90 euro per weapon and you have to go do a little exam in the police station and have a doctor declare you mentaly stable + get official permission of everyone over 18 in the house.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 16-02-2013, 22:02:27
I am so glad that I don't have to reside in Europe permanently  :P . Here in Texas you can buy anything yoou like, unless it's an SBR (ShortBarelledRifle=< 16") or a full-auto. For that you need a Class III. dealers license. For a 'regular' firearm you just need to pass a background check. Buying my Bushmaster took me more or less 15 minutes, if I recall correct.  :-X
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 16-02-2013, 22:02:53
Nothing can stop the big German bureaucracy.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 16-02-2013, 22:02:20
Actually, I thought of getting myself an Enfield and a Webley while I'm over there (I'm often staying in Germany for more than a year without being able to leave Europe) and facepalmed when I learned about this Waffenbesitzkarte BS. In the end I gave up on it and decided on frantically trying to stay home in Texas as long as possible  8) .
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-02-2013, 20:02:35
http://www.armes-cornet.com/catalogues_chasse.htm

Number 13

CZ527M

Mauser action?check
super cheap calibre?7.62x39? CHECK
50-200 meter range compatible? check!


Ooh yeah, im going for this
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 21-02-2013, 01:02:16
Going to do some 12.7mm and M72 shooting in a couple of weeks, IM SO EXCITED! AND I JUST CANT HIDE IT!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-03-2013, 16:03:51
WARNING

the following video is very informative regarding bullet wounds

BUT

GORE IMAGES ARE IN THIS VIDEO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA

They should show this video to every person who wants to begin shooting, so that he understands what responsibility he carries. And that he does his hobby in a safe way
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: TimeMachineAssassin on 20-03-2013, 17:03:18
Shot the MP40, grease gun, and tompson this last weekend in vegas, they have those sorts of facilities by the way, pretty much whatever turns you on. Thoughts you ask? Fucking easy sweetness. All were easy for man size person. MP40 was accurate, made head size 5 shot groups at 10y. The tompson, put the whole mag in the man paper rambo style. Grease gun through me off a little, only put 50 rounds through it though. Next time the bmg 50.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-03-2013, 17:03:19
Shot the MP40, grease gun, and tompson this last weekend in vegas, they have those sorts of facilities by the way, pretty much whatever turns you on. Thoughts you ask? Fucking easy sweetness. All were easy for man size person. MP40 was accurate, made head size 5 shot groups at 10y. The tompson, put the whole mag in the man paper rambo style. Grease gun through me off a little, only put 50 rounds through it though. Next time the bmg 50.
Nice man. Thompson is epic and accurate.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 20-03-2013, 17:03:57
I so hope that they will make access to full-autos easier again for private ownership-just imagine giong to Cabelas and buying a fully automatic M1928! Why does all this NFA bullshit have to be federal!
I for one would highly appreciate it if the states could choose if/how they want to regulate NFA-firearms. I am shure that states like Texas or Arizona would grant us the right to own these, too. Those ban-happy bastards like Bloomberg could still wreak havoc in there own states, while leaving the others alone  :P . But of course the current administration will do anything they can, legally or illegally, to keep this from happening. If they could have it their way, they would strip us of the Second Amendement immediately. The first step in doing this is to act on the federal level and to weaken states rights.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-04-2013, 13:04:00
i had a blast today at the range. Announchment was made= 70 new calibres are made avaible for shooting! Something i have been waiting for a long time to go and take my swedish mauser, K31, Enfield, K98, mosin nagant and M1917 to the big range!!

Today i fired alot of stuff. A CZ .308 5 round mauser action rifle wich costs 5000 euros! A Remington 700 in .308, A .243 winchester Mauser rifle and my Buddy his FN FAL!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 07-04-2013, 21:04:13
I am so glad that I don't have to reside in Europe permanently  :P . Here in Texas you can buy anything yoou like, unless it's an SBR (ShortBarelledRifle=< 16") or a full-auto. For that you need a Class III. dealers license.

 ???
That is not true.....
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Oddball on 08-04-2013, 00:04:46
Well, CT is pretty much a lost cause...
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-04-2013, 15:04:55
Tommorow
ill be firing my own rifles for the first time :)

I registered my Swedish mauser and M1917 Enfield. Got 5 boxes of Prvi Partisan 6.5mm swedish and 2 boxes of Prvi .30-06.

Lets hope nothing blows up  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 20-04-2013, 15:04:18
Hope you break your shoulder mate :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-04-2013, 14:04:05
i broke that shoulder alright with the M1917  ;D

Had a great day, with none of my rifles blowing up. Turns out they shoot great  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx2ndPGsc-8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX_4JPtc7g4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSSdKPk57Tk

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2234/dsc00527ud.jpg)(http://imageshack.us/a/img42/378/dsc00533my.jpg)

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9463/dsc00538kw.jpg)

The swedish mauser remains the favorite of the day.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 21-04-2013, 16:04:53
That FAL! I envy you Belgians for your rather relaxed gun laws (compared to Germany)....
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 21-04-2013, 17:04:21
Is a 5 round mag the maximum allowed capacity or is this some kind of "sniper" mag like the one for the PSG-1?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-04-2013, 17:04:14
Its a 10 round magazine actually. But yeah these were issued to sniper units as appearntly the 20 round mags ofsetted the balance more of the rifle(i only inserted 5 rounds cause these were my last 5 :D)

That FAL! I envy you Belgians for your rather relaxed gun laws (compared to Germany)....
Well things got alot stricter here over the years. its a complicated gunlaw, we have
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 21-04-2013, 19:04:37
Looks like a fun day.
Btw that 1917 is gorgeous, i have a thing for brunet stocks.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 21-04-2013, 21:04:18
Yeah, seems like you had fun indeed. This summer i am almost sure i will come over if possible to join you there.

Some pictures i took of my Italian M38 Carbine in 7.35mm

(http://imageshack.us/a/img10/5895/20130421155743.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img545/1898/20130421155844.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img707/842/20130421155812.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-04-2013, 21:04:10
Take good care of my precious italians :(  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Korsakov829 on 23-04-2013, 23:04:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdvuZZOhW2U
Stumbled upon this by accident. FINALLY our army gets a decent high-caliber sniper rifle. This is 5kg lighter then the OSV-96 and 500mm shorter (that's with suppressor). No idea how it will perform in rain, mud and such but if it pulls through... amazing. Almost completely turned off from Istiglal now.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 24-04-2013, 07:04:16
Just got to love how the guy describes the wounds in detail. Even American weapons show offs would not do this ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-06-2013, 19:06:21
My M1917, Swede and Mosin are now accompied by my K31 and No mk3*  ;D

Just finished the bloody paperwork that goes with them......

So in a few weeks=new vids  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 05-06-2013, 22:06:28
I spied a Theta123 account on Gunboard's the other day, glad you found the place. Wealth of information in there.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-06-2013, 22:06:42
I spied a Theta123 account on Gunboard's the other day, glad you found the place. Wealth of information in there.
its amazing

also freaking generous people there

I was searching for .30-06 stripper clips, as they are impossible to find. Some guy=hey i have a few spare ones, you can have them.

Then i had a missing cleaning rod nut, another guy also sended it to me, free of charge

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 06-06-2013, 00:06:03
I got a nice clean laminate M44 stock in that fashion, guy just said here take it. Last year i did give some guy a box of spent .50 brass i was holding on to for some reason, he had more of a need for it then i did. But yea all in all its a good group of people with years of knowledge in their particular subjects.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 06-06-2013, 16:06:12
Its a shame i cant send such gifts to the US   :-[
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-06-2013, 23:06:33
Tommorow there is a small shooting contest. 100-200-300 meter. I am entering the 100 meter one. Scopes are allowed.

while everybody will use pimped rifles with carefully handloaded rounds
i am entering with my M1917 enfield with Prvi partisan ammo  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 09-06-2013, 00:06:03
Tommorow there is a small shooting contest. 100-200-300 meter. I am entering the 100 meter one. Scopes are allowed.

while everybody will use pimped rifles with carefully handloaded rounds
i am entering with my M1917 enfield with Prvi partisan ammo  ;D ;D ;D

You forgot the part where you will be last  :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 09-06-2013, 06:06:19
(http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu291/Glockmonger_Gunsmithing/435yd.jpg)

That's supposed to say "Spec" btw... Not Sec..
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-06-2013, 12:06:09
20 shooters, my place was 14th  ;D

I beated pimped out AR 15's and Remington 700's  ;D ;D

my shoulder hurts tough

ouch


(http://imageshack.us/a/img835/3989/dsc00654e.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 09-06-2013, 19:06:48
Nice one :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-06-2013, 20:06:10
aye, she's a beaut
(http://imageshack.us/a/img822/9909/dsc00656bq.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img541/6877/dsc00662jp.jpg)


Construction wise, the M1917 is superior to the M1903 Springfield. The only disadvantage it has, is heavier weight and larger size
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 13-06-2013, 21:06:32
I bought some guns from an eldery man who collected himself weapons from WW1, WW2 and even late 18the century. They were not in the best shape therefor I started restoring them and started with a G43 dated  duv 1944.

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4056/img1177zr.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/img1177zr.jpg/)

(http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1853/img1176gl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/img1176gl.jpg/)

(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9990/img1175tg.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/img1175tg.jpg/)


(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/972/img1180as.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/img1180as.jpg/)



I'm not finished yet, some parts needs some work but she looks already very nice.

btw this is how she looked before

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2735/img1490y.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/img1490y.jpg/)

There was even birddirt on the rifle....
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Oddball on 14-06-2013, 01:06:37
Interesting stuff, what are the two rifles on the right?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: th_battleaxe on 14-06-2013, 06:06:27
Interesting stuff, what are the two rifles on the right?

The one closest to the G43 looks like a percussion lock hunting rifle
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 14-06-2013, 07:06:07
No they are bothe derivivates from Chassepot rifles. Some of them have a very big calibre!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Oddball on 14-06-2013, 18:06:10
No they are bothe derivivates from Chassepot rifles. Some of them have a very big calibre!

Yeah, that's what I thought.. about the large calibers, looked like big game rifles. You know what calibers they are specifically? Have any .700 Nitro Express?  :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 14-06-2013, 19:06:03
...

a chassepot

handling a .700Nitro express...
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 14-06-2013, 23:06:57
Really neat, love the rifle!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-06-2013, 12:06:53
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8845/v2fc.jpg)

175 meters. Swedish mauser and M1917. Iron sights

i am fairly satisfied with these results :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 16-06-2013, 12:06:11
Is it me or is it actually possible to see the difference in the size of the holes from the different calibres. Did not know the where that different.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-06-2013, 19:06:30
Yes the diffrence is quite noticable
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1439/1n9.png)
To the left we have the 139 grain FMJ Boat tailed round of Prvi partisan. This one is based on the 159 grain round m/94 round of the swedish army. In the middle the m/41 Torped round, wich was a new round for the swedish mauser, wich was lighter yet has greater lethalithy and muzzle velocity, aswel as a boat tail(the origenal m/94 did not had such feature)
This was origenally a sniper round but it was so effective that it became the general purpose round in 1941. Swedish volunteers and finnish soldiers tough, reported that even the 159 grain projectile was highly effective


On the right the .30-06 springfield from Prvi. Wich is 150 grain. The diffrences are big on the paper. But the swedish mauser still shoots better in every way. I had a previous grouping all inside the black circle, but the shooting card fell victim to the wind!


Its the diameter wich makes the diffrence. Unlike other 6.5mm ammo, the swedish and norwegian commision kept the 6.5mm fairly long, wich gives it slightly more recoil, but way better long range performance
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Yustax on 18-06-2013, 05:06:22
Well, I painted my M24. She looks sweet...

Before:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/DSCN0067_zpsd6484f22.jpg) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/DSCN0067_zpsd6484f22.jpg.html)

Now:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/DSCN0080_zps5e9e87a8.jpg) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/DSCN0080_zps5e9e87a8.jpg.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/DSCN0083_zps3a052562.jpg) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/DSCN0083_zps3a052562.jpg.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/DSCN0082_zpsf8e31b5a.jpg) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/DSCN0082_zpsf8e31b5a.jpg.html)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/DSCN0084_zpsb27233bb.jpg) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/Yustax/media/DSCN0084_zpsb27233bb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 18-06-2013, 07:06:35
It needs a smiley face on the scope cover  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 18-06-2013, 07:06:03
Nice Job, looks like the M24 from BF2.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 18-06-2013, 09:06:13
Shieet.. now I wanna go buy some spray paint :D

Very nice looking gun.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-06-2013, 16:06:35
(http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/team-fortress-2-sniper-%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8-what-659260.gif)


oooh thats apples mate!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Yustax on 18-06-2013, 23:06:18
It needs a smiley face on the scope cover  ;D

I got one :P On stencil, gonna see if I can paint it soon
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-06-2013, 08:06:58
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r130/SeekHer/MauserK98IsraelR.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/Falcon007/Israeli/Izzymauser.jpg)

This is what i hope to aquire today

FN Mauser K98k in .308/7.62x51 for Israeli army. IDF has only started to sell these for the past 5 years
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 23-06-2013, 10:06:21
Sigh, I instantly fell in love in that shop with this one.

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2180/k76z.jpg)

Why do they always have to be out of my budget...
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-06-2013, 17:06:20
indeed. That sig 510 rifle, 520 carbine and 540 commando were epic  ;D

The rifle and Carbine get my preference tough. Together with GP90 swiss 5.6x45mm rounds, these rifles are way more effective then your standard NATO 5.56 assault rifle. GP90 ammo for example, is full lead cored while most NATO ammo is steel core. Then a very high twist barrel makes for superior accuracy


Also here is my baby

(http://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=673761&d=1371985108)

One of the few origenal rifles remaining in the shop. Now it only needs its scope
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Mudzin on 23-06-2013, 17:06:48
Damn, you can buy such weapons in your country?!  :o
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-06-2013, 18:06:27
Damn, you can buy such weapons in your country?!  :o
Belgian constitution gives the right for a civilian to own a firearm. There are 4 types
-Sportshooting license model 9. Wich covers bolt action rifles, .22LR Pistols, the ability to shoot a permit user his revolver, single shot shotguns and blackpowder rifles
-Permit model 4, wich covers semi-auto pistols, rifles, shotguns and revolvers
-Collector permit, wich gives the ability to collect fully auto machineguns (heavily restricted tough)
-Hunting license. For one who wishes to go hunting

For one to apply a sportshooting license, one must join a club and apply for a temporary license. during a 12 month period, the shooter must have done 12 shooting sessions in a gun club/range. He can then do an theoretical and practical exam (this can be done if 12 shooting sessions have been done in 6 months). If the shooter passes these tests, is sane in health and not convicted felony, he can then purchase, own and shoot the weapons mentioned above. The sportshooter must do 12 shooting sessions each year to make his/hers license valid again. A sport shooting license can theoretical, give you the ability to purchase as much guns as you want. One license covers more then one guns

A model 4 permit in turn, is diffrent. If one wants to purchase a pistol or other semi-auto, he must apply for a permit PER weapon. In 4 months this permit will be approved or denied (Denieng can only be done if there is a valid reason for it). A model 4 gun owner must do shooting sessions each year, but only 10.


What is not allowed under the above licenses=
-Fully auto weapons
-Special type of weapons
-pepper spray, tear gas, chemical weapons and nuclear bombs


A collector permit holder, can however aquire himself historic firearms for collecting and display functions. But he cannot shoot with them. This however means that he can get himself a fully auto STG44 of WW2, even an MG42 on lafette if he wants to (as me and siben saw yesterday)


By standards, our gun control is rather strict. Each and every firearm must be registered. One who wants to keep his license, must do rather alot of effort by going to gunclubs. Paperwork is huge. But on the other hand, like switzerland, there is a reason why we have rather low gun crimes. Compared to other EU countries who ban guns almost entirly, and the US ofcourse.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/

The netherlands for example, has a very strict gun law. It prohibts the manufacture of guns. Firearm deaths per population were low however. Belgium used to be higher but is now in the same area as the NL. According to interpol however (This was on the news a while ago), NL has 4 times more illegal gun smuggeling then Belgium (Gunpolicy seems to confirm this with NL ranking "Moderate" and BE "Small)


Still, long story short, we EU countries seem to be safe with guns, strict or non strict gun laws. Wich is something to be proud off.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Born2Kill 007 on 23-06-2013, 18:06:25
Damn, you can buy such weapons in your country?!  :o
Belgian constitution gives the right for a civilian to own a firearm.

Huh? what article?

PS: silencers also aren't allowed IIRC
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-06-2013, 18:06:47
Damn, you can buy such weapons in your country?!  :o
Belgian constitution gives the right for a civilian to own a firearm.

Huh? what article?
i have no idea  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Born2Kill 007 on 23-06-2013, 18:06:01
I've had constituional law and just rechecked my constitution that lays next to me and i can't find a similar right anywhere  ;)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 23-06-2013, 19:06:38
Those FN Brownings look nice  8)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 23-06-2013, 19:06:32
Those FN Brownings look nice  8)

There where at least over 100 in display of those brownings. ranging from pocket pistols to 9mm
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 23-06-2013, 20:06:21
some M2A1 105mm action  ;D

link (http://s261.photobucket.com/user/ultrakill91/media/20130523_210126.mp4.html)

im the loader on the left
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-06-2013, 16:06:14
Nice

are those blanks?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 28-06-2013, 05:06:01
Nice

are those blanks?

yea, in norway we call it "salutt" and we shoot on royal birthdays and other major days, like Saint Barbara day and our Constitution Day
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 28-06-2013, 08:06:23
Wait artillery is celebrating st Barbaras day elsewhere too? Tell me you also celebrate St Nikolas for Navy?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zeno on 28-06-2013, 09:06:33
Wait artillery is celebrating st Barbaras day elsewhere too? Tell me you also celebrate St Nikolas for Navy?

dunno, never been in the navy  ;) (mainly because im not a raging homosexual ;D)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 28-06-2013, 09:06:47
K how bout infantry?

Here in Greece its like that

St George protector of infantry
St Barbara of artillery
St Nicolas of Navy
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 28-06-2013, 09:06:33
German artillery units celebrates St. Barbaras Day, as well. Infact, she´s the patron of firefighters, miners, pioneers and anti-air units, too. Austrian artillery units seem to celebrate her, too, according to Wiki.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-07-2013, 15:07:43
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3743/pfqy.jpg)
This is what my israeli mauser did at 125 meters, prone, no bench rest. Fired superior german bundeswehr surplus ammo. I like it!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Ts4EVER on 07-07-2013, 15:07:23
My father recently impulse bought an air rifle and now we shoot in our yard each weekend  ;D Very fun.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-07-2013, 22:07:26
nice, what brand and what calibre? Break rifle or pump?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-07-2013, 20:07:50
Break rifle, don't know calibre or brand. It came with an utterly pointless 4x scope.  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 13-07-2013, 01:07:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ZrdWKNJJ4
K31...,K31...,K31..., M91..., M91..., M91... hahah :D okay that's pretty funny. Also dat Steyr-Hahn M1912!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-09-2013, 17:09:51
I befriended myself with a older guy at the gunclub

He is considering selling his FN FAL to me because he rarely shoots with it  ;D


(http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/320/images/org/42430.jpg)


Its an origenal belgian army FN FAL with wooden stock :D these are pretty rare!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 12-09-2013, 17:09:03
Stop making my jealous Theta  :-[
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-09-2013, 17:09:17
Stop making my jealous Theta  :-[
I am jelly of your special british thing <3
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 12-09-2013, 18:09:40
Shiiieeet, that thing is MAGNIFICENT! But isn't FAL full-auto or something? Or is that conversion/semi-auto model?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 12-09-2013, 18:09:19
Original FAL is semi auto.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Roughbeak on 12-09-2013, 18:09:37
Wow, that is great looking Fal Theta.

In my opinion it is the most fashionable rifles. ;)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-09-2013, 21:09:18
Shiiieeet, that thing is MAGNIFICENT! But isn't FAL full-auto or something? Or is that conversion/semi-auto model?
The one the guy has is the first production version wich, as siben said, is Semi-auto only. Later on full auto was added and Belgian soldiers were trained to use it in CQB.

If an Full auto rifle gets sold here, its converted to semi-auto first. This conversion can not be undone.

If the guy says he will sell it, i still need to wait 4 months for the paper work tough! BLEH
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Korsakov829 on 12-09-2013, 21:09:52
I don't like the FN FAL, it's long, heavy, semi-auto only, 20 rounds per mag. Now if I could have one with a shorter barrel, lighter parts, maybe bigger mags, selective fire, a shit ton of rails, then I would be happy. Fortunately something like that just so happens to exist, I might even bother to go get one someday.
(http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as24/fal_dsa_sa58osw.jpg)
Behold, SA-58 FAL, my kind of gun.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-09-2013, 14:09:10
Thats an ugly Piece of shit IMO. im an nostalgic person. My time period is from 1886-Early cold war (AK47, FAL, G3, M16A1 are epic)

i really
really
dislike such modern weapons. "It needs to be "light", rails everywhere, flashlights here and laser sight there, 3 scopes, fridge and Sunglass compartiment."

Full auto is overrated :/  Only the shots that hit count. Even with 5.56mm assault rifles, Full auto is overrated. Nobody in the Belgian army uses it on the FNC because everyone knows it is one gigantic waste of ammo. Alot of folks there wanna go back to the trusty FAL.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Korsakov829 on 13-09-2013, 14:09:36
I'm used to firing the AKS-74U, that's why I like this. Older weapons look nice, and they're still capable, but just not as much as something that is a bit more modern.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-09-2013, 15:09:59
Tell that to soldiers in afghanistan who were outranged by taliban warriors armed with Lee enfields, mosin nagants and K98k's  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 13-09-2013, 15:09:29
Tell that to soldiers in afghanistan who were outranged by taliban warriors armed with Lee enfields, mosin nagants and K98k's  ;D
God, you´re such a damn firearms hipster....there´s a reason first-world militaries are upgrading their weapons to be as useful for their soldiers as possible.
And "useful" means, light, module and capable of giving soldiers the edge over an enemy they have to engage, by providing them with greater accuracy, night-fighting abilities etc. I´d rather take a modern assault rifle that has a scope, red dot sight, attachments like laser sights or flash lights over an old assault rifle from the 70s that lacks all of these features.

I agree, though, that full-auto fire with assault rifles is a huge waste of ammo and rather pointless. Even on short distances.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-09-2013, 15:09:58
Technically, i never said i want those things in the field. On the gunrange, i would prefer my hipster weapons ovr any modern weapon


But i have to admit, if you are in combat...Weight is the soldiers primary concern. Ease of use, reliability, easy to clean, size.... I would take something like an AKS-74U or G36K.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 13-09-2013, 17:09:57
But i have to admit, if you are in combat...Weight is the soldiers primary concern. Ease of use, reliability, easy to clean, size.... I would take something like an AKS-74U or G36K.
And that's when you take FAL OSW like Korsakov has shown. Power of 7.62 NATO, that fits in your pocket. And it has all the bling kids want these days.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-09-2013, 17:09:09
But i hate bling  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Korsakov829 on 13-09-2013, 19:09:14
When the odds are 5:1 in a fight and the enemy is just fifty meters away you'll want that full auto.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 13-09-2013, 19:09:35
ratatatatatatata....tatatata...ta
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-09-2013, 19:09:03
Not with an FAL  ;D

AK 74? M4? G36? PPSH? Sure!


But NOT the FAL  ;D

The common soldier wont be able to control that much firepower
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-10-2013, 12:10:02
Tommorow gun range time with my beloved M1917 and Israeli mauser <3
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 25-10-2013, 20:10:52
My model 1941 Carcano, made in 1941. Pretty happy with it.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/5610.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-10-2013, 12:10:57
little luchini :'( :'( :'(

What do i miss her...


TAKE GOOD CARE OF HER  :-[ :-[ :-[   


(Sold my carcano to Siben a while ago :(  )
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 01-11-2013, 09:11:58
You know, i put the Bayonet on my P14 today to see how tall it is and i must say, weilding a 1m75 long pointy stick is quite hard.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/5788.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-11-2013, 10:11:43
(http://imageshack.us/a/img835/3989/dsc00654e.jpg)

Amen brother!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: TASSER on 03-11-2013, 18:11:05
Tommorow gun range time with my beloved M1917 and Israeli mauser <3

Hey Theta, what is it about the M1917 that you like so much? Just personal attachment or it's a sweet rifle (I'm sure both). I just recently started collecting and I'm trying to plan my next moves.  8)

I purchased a '54 H&R M1 Garand last week. I wanted a war years Springfield Armory model (I live right near the Armory, so it's kind of the home town team), but this H&R has the original barrel and is in great shape. It has a lot of Springfield parts manufactured during WWII in it though, so I'm close!

I'll throw some pics up when I get the chance!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-11-2013, 18:11:29
The M1917 was my first bolt action rifle i ever fired that i owned myself. The first bolt action rifle i ever fired was FH2 member GuinNess his Aussie SMLE

But the M1917 is something special.Something unique. On militaria fairs, everybody wanted springfields, Enfields and Mauser K98's. The M1917 enfield and P14 sometimes appeared, but were always a bit overlooked. They always costed more then a regular enfield aswel, and simular to a K98k.

Its always treated as a "bastard" rifle. And my bastard rifle shoots like a champ.


I am the second youngest on the range, but i get alot of respect from older shooters because i primarly stick to military bolt action rifles. My enfield is well known there. And in the hands of an expert shooter of my club, he defeated a Scoped Remington 700 at 200 meters. using pure iron sights.

myself i did something simular, getting an 50mm group at 125 meters compared to a scoped Savage at 150 meters. Who got a 45mm group.
Okay, conditions were ideal back then for me....But i just love this rifle :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: TASSER on 04-11-2013, 20:11:16
I am the second youngest on the range, but i get alot of respect from older shooters because i primarly stick to military bolt action rifles. My enfield is well known there. And in the hands of an expert shooter of my club, he defeated a Scoped Remington 700 at 200 meters. using pure iron sights.

myself i did something simular, getting an 50mm group at 125 meters compared to a scoped Savage at 150 meters. Who got a 45mm group.
Okay, conditions were ideal back then for me....But i just love this rifle :)

Nice! I took my new M1 out and was shooting with someone who had a AR-10 chambered for .308. He was jamming every few shots, having a bunch of issues with the gun. Didn't have a single problem with my good ol Garand :) It felt pretty awesome that my 60 year old rifle was performing more reliably than the new one! He was using horrendously dirty ammo etc so I'm making a stupidly broad claim saying it outperformed that AR-10, but I felt great showing off the M1!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-11-2013, 20:11:24
Gentlemen i took my Chilean mauser to the gunrange today and i have a new rifle that shoots great!

(http://imageshack.us/a/img849/5754/74n0.jpg)

All shots were performed at 100 meter range, prone position, no bench rest. Just my arms as support!
(http://imageshack.us/a/img12/8632/dv4j.jpg)
First try. Prvi partisan 174 grain 7x57mm. Fairly heavy ammo. The rifle shot to the right alot

(http://imageshack.us/a/img707/1695/mg4i.jpg)

Second try. I aimed first 5 times in the center. Then i aimed 5 times to the left (where the ducttape is) and the shots all landed in the center.

Third try i shot the remaining 20 rounds i had, all shots landing in the black circle.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 08-12-2013, 22:12:39
Keeping this tread alive.
A few WW1 toys.
Cookie if you guess them (including the bayonets)
Don't get fooled.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/7458.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-12-2013, 21:12:13
No 1 MK3* with m1905 bayonet

No 3 P14 rifle with M1907 pattern bayonet
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Ciupita on 09-12-2013, 21:12:58
Last one must be Berthier Carbine, no clue of the bayonet.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 09-12-2013, 22:12:57
Just won this beauty yesterday  ;D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=379609525
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 09-12-2013, 22:12:20
No 1 MK3* with m1905 bayonet

No 3 P14 rifle with M1907 pattern bayonet

Last one must be Berthier Carbine, no clue of the bayonet.

To keep it simple, I will say there are only 3 major versions of the Berthier carbine. The bayonet is a give away after that.

Just won this beauty yesterday  ;D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=379609525

Sigh, yes, I am jelly. Had a chance to buy it once, double of what you paid, did not have the cash. Not a real regret since you can't really find ammunition for it but still.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 09-12-2013, 23:12:04
Just won this beauty yesterday  ;D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=379609525
Holy cow, noice!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 09-12-2013, 23:12:55
Thanks!  And hehe, yeah siben, this was a great deal.  THey mostly go for 750 plus here, so I lucked out!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 10-12-2013, 07:12:07
I'm jealous too, somehow I like this Pistol but here in Luxembourg a good one goes for over 1000€ ....and they are rare :(
Take good care of it man!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Eat Uranium on 10-12-2013, 12:12:23
To keep it simple, I will say there are only 3 major versions of the Berthier carbine. The bayonet is a give away after that.
Mousqueton 1892 with sword bayonet 1892?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 10-12-2013, 18:12:00
To keep it simple, I will say there are only 3 major versions of the Berthier carbine. The bayonet is a give away after that.
Mousqueton 1892 with sword bayonet 1892?

Yeah, minus the cleaning rod.
Type 2 bayonet also.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-12-2013, 19:12:37
this saturday i'm going for a Yugoslavian mauser M24/47 OR M48

Huzzaa!!!

(http://philipbeekley.com/images/194x_m24-47_216186_right_side_full.jpg)
M24/47. These were Belgian FN 1924 made for yugoslavia, arsenal rebuilt with new barrels and stuff. 8x57mmIS

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Dieter122/saleone2.jpg)
M48 mauser. post war made by yugoslavia. They were manufactured on Ex-Natzi machinery of the K98k rifle. Its a hybrid design of both the K98k and Model 1924 FN. Also 8x57mm IS
There are some diffrences. The upper handguard is 1924 design, aswel as the sight. The barrel bands, buttplate, stock, sight and barrel are K98k. The bolt and reciever are FN 1924 design. 10mm shorter then K98k's.

also getting this juicy romanian ammo
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/bmQvVIeLWuw/hqdefault.jpg)

also made on ex-german machinery
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Korsakov829 on 17-12-2013, 17:12:55
(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/molot_modern_sks-tfb.jpg)

This was unveiled by Molot last year, a modernized SKS of sorts. I don't like the carbon fiber, but I'm coming to close to finding what I'm looking for. I want one that can fit AK mags, is light weight, exclude the bayonet, a few rails up top, adjustable stock, maybe a forward grip, shorter barrel, plus I'd like to butcher it in a few other ways as well.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-12-2013, 17:12:07
Replace carbon fiber with good "ol wood. add bayonet and i would buy it aswel
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Korsakov829 on 17-12-2013, 17:12:52
Screw wood, TAPCO. I'm thinking of getting one and turning it into a DMR or something for close quarters.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-12-2013, 17:12:40
Well i'm an old fart when it comes to guns

a 23 year old fart
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Kalkalash on 17-12-2013, 18:12:42
I agree with Theta on this one. I hate how modern guns are all plasticky and there's enough rails on them to attach your mother to them. Good old fashioned metal/wood and iron sights is where it's at.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 17-12-2013, 18:12:13
"I like guns, I like the way they look, I like the shiny steel and the polished wood." is pretty true. The plastic look never got to me.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Korsakov829 on 17-12-2013, 18:12:54
Plastic is more maneuverable though. I don't care so much for how a gun looks so long as it gets the job done efficiently eg. inflict casualties.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-12-2013, 18:12:24
My guns are not ment to inflict casualties
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 17-12-2013, 19:12:54
Well i'm an old fart when it comes to guns

a 23 year old fart
You´re not an old fart, you´re a gun hipster. ;)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-12-2013, 19:12:15
(http://www.streetcarnage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/hipster-girl.jpg)


Deal!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-12-2013, 22:12:37
here she is! my new Yugoslavian M48a rifle!

(http://imageshack.us/a/img17/5460/qedv.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img197/2548/297z.JPG)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img833/2553/vkx5.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img59/5559/b0m5.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img14/8483/0gal.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img17/635/0fub.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img11/2064/54be.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img716/3992/ta98.jpg)
Brand new rifle with a barrel wich i think saw 5 or 10 bullets. Still filled up with cosmoline tough, what shall i use to remove this filth?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-12-2013, 15:12:13
Looking sexy sir!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-12-2013, 18:12:28
Thank you! You already had the honour of holding her :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-01-2014, 23:01:00
(http://i.imgur.com/jAgXAdS.gif)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 08-01-2014, 16:01:08
The Chinese sure used cool weapon designs around the turn of the century.

Its a copy of the original german Gew88. It was not really popular and almost all of them where adjusted to the Gew88/05 configuration, allowing basic german stripper clips and some other things. A big improvement.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-01-2014, 00:01:56
Its a system that worked great siben, it fell victim to mauser and enfield charger fanboys and many of the "disadvantges" are created post war by them

-The mannlicher system needed a charger to fire
All ammo was always packed in a clip, and the soldiers always carried spare rounds and chargers

-Without the charger, the rifle became a single shot weapon
True, but again, see above. Also you need a stripper clip to fast load a mauser rifle. Without them, they become slow to reload 1 bullet at a time

-The magazine had to be emptied before it could be reloaded.
There was a button to eject the clip

-The opening allowed dirt and sand to go into the magazine
Soldiers were well trained to handle this, there are no reports from austrian-hungarian soldiers in TRENCH warfare who had problems with their mannlichers.

-The mannlicher could not top loaded.
This is true and the only real disadvantage compared to the mauser system

Not to mention that mauser chargers used spring steel, while the en bloc types were fairly cheap and simple to make. The mannlicher bolt and magazine simply were no match for the german industry. The germans sold mausers everywhere, to anyone, even below profit. And in Any calibre. The austrians were not so kind with their military rifles. Simular to how the british never sold any lee enfields minus their colonies.


Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 09-01-2014, 08:01:35
Huh? Why the attack? They switched to a uniform system in 1905 when the Gew98 started to come by adjusting the Gew88 to the Gew88/05 configuration. A big improvement. What are you telling me now, that they are all mauser fanboys and therefore killed a lovely parallell frontline rifle that not only needed different clips, but also shorter bullets? Non of the things you say have anything to do with what i am talking about.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-01-2014, 18:01:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_cCf3qT6nI

What happens when you fire a watercooled Vickers gun without condensing can
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 17-03-2014, 21:03:21
I always wanted a Walther PP in 7.65 mm and I finaly found one. Beautiful condition and it comes with the original box. Then gun itself is made in 1963.

(http://i.imgur.com/yPlZVUn.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 18-03-2014, 01:03:30
Is it just me or is there barely a difference between PP and PPK? I mean the barrel is supposed to be shorter on the PPK but it does not seem like it could get any shorter  ???
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 18-03-2014, 01:03:27
PPK is not only shorter, it's a bit smaller in general, that maybe why the difference is not so obvious.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 18-03-2014, 08:03:30
007 is disappointed :(
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 18-03-2014, 08:03:15
007 is disappointed :(

That's why I wanted a PP not a PPK  :P and it looks more elegant than a PPK.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 18-03-2014, 08:03:00
True, the PPK is just to small, not comfortable at all for anyone with normal hands.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 18-03-2014, 23:03:20
But then there is the PPK/S, which has the frame of a PP but slide and barrel from a PPK. Bigger grip, same short barrel.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 19-03-2014, 08:03:11
No no, its a spy pistol in my book, has be be made in the 60's for that. hight of the romantic cold war.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Chad1992 on 20-03-2014, 23:03:02
Wish this gun had been used in WW2.  Glad to see it still working.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuiH8drqXOM
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 21-03-2014, 02:03:18
Would any of you lads like to buy my SMLE? By the way, this is the nice one I have talked about in the past 8) : http://www.armslist.com/posts/2799681/dallas-texas-rifles-for-sale--unissued-1943-lithgow-no-1-mk--iii--smle
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-03-2014, 16:03:25
If i lived in USA, i would have bought that SMLE immediatly
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 24-03-2014, 02:03:26
Thanks, mate :D! Over here interest is dismal at best. Few people appreciate these grand rifles save for a few lads of European origin and, of course, re-enactors and collectors. After two or three years, I still did not have much luck selling it. Over here, these dingbats do not even deem these collectibles, just possible sporter-projects. It is terrible ::). At least that keeps the prices acceptable. A No. 4 Mk. II is between $200 and $300 over here. I wish I could sell it internationally, but I guess that even if an import were to be allowed, the paper work would most certainly be overwhelming.

On a different note I recently re-assembled my No.4 after cleaning it from the cosmoline last autumn and the wood, which someone had de-greased with Citristrip, still reeks of the aforementioned product. Boiled linseed oil did not seal the wood enough to keep it from smelling. Since I will use the rifle primarily in a wet, near tropical climate, I thought of sealing the wood with a product that will give the stock the same appearance as if it had been treated with linseed oil, but actually seals the wood keeping out moisture and keeping in the citrus smell. Before you want to stone me, let me add that the furniture is worn, mis-matched and most markings are gone or near gone, so using a non-original finish would in my eyes be at least an option :P.

Also, the tiny pin that holds the front sight in place does not want to slide in fully, thereby preventing the sight protector to be pit back in place. Is there anything special to it or should it go through?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 22-04-2014, 02:04:57
I just had a Steyr M95 Stutzen put on layaway. The price? A mere $150. The carbine is in very good condition, actually more like excellent. I also have a chance to buy a slightly oxidised Moschetta da Cavalleria.
I would grade the condition as fair. Mild surface rust all over, the barrel seems to have some rifling left and the wood is nice. Some dingbat added a recoil pad and ground off the bayonet. The asking price with a friendly discount is $100. Shall I buy it?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-04-2014, 07:04:07
I would not buy the Carcano, considering getting it back in correct configuration will be hard in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 22-04-2014, 09:04:00
Thank you for your reply! I am afraid you do have a point there  :-\ . Carcanos in general are rare over here and un-sporterised specimen are a tad pricey and only show up from tine to time. I have only seen three Carcanos in the DFW area, and they were all sporterised beaters. On top of that I always wanted either the M1891 rifle or the Moschetto da Cavalleria. I thinl my checking account will have to decide this :-X .
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 26-04-2014, 17:04:54
So, i was going trough my brass today, seems like i have 2 liters of .22 brass that i collected over the years of shooting. Do you guys also always bring back all the brass?

Also, internet cookie for he who knows what is in this box.
(http://imgup.com/data/images/15512.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 26-04-2014, 17:04:34
7.92x33 kurz?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 26-04-2014, 17:04:13
March, April and May 1945 production. strange mix in the box.
The May primers seems slightly coroded, the march ammunition looks like new.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/15513.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 26-04-2014, 18:04:48
If you happend to come across more of that ammo, i would be glad to propose you a deal  8)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 26-04-2014, 18:04:17
Hehe, same here, super rare, and premium price most of the time :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 18-05-2014, 18:05:46
Well, i took out a big calibre rifle for the first time in a year and a half today, the K31.
10 shots at 25 meters, 10 shots at 50 meters. Just standing, no support what so ever.
The worst shot was my first one, you can ignore it, it went off before i realized. I am used to the enfield and mauser double trigger.
I am rather happy with this.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/16874.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 18-05-2014, 22:05:57
Need to shot them from 400 mts scrub :P

Hmm You're right handed and you fear the recoil a bit so you compensate by going lower and left am i right? How experienced are you with controlling a rifle and your breathing (as in how many times have you shot)?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-05-2014, 22:05:28
K31 is superior to any bolt action rifle

long live the swiss!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 19-05-2014, 17:05:00
Need to shot them from 400 mts scrub :P

Hmm You're right handed and you fear the recoil a bit so you compensate by going lower and left am i right? How experienced are you with controlling a rifle and your breathing (as in how many times have you shot)?

Well, the target is normally for 100 meters.
No, i don't aim low and left since with the k31 i never make a trigger pull mistake that makes my shots go up and to the right. I aim where i want to hit. I hold my breathing when shooting, a few second before shooting i take a deep breath, exhale and aim.
I don't fear the recoil although sometimes it pushes my glasses to the side. I also don't think its painful and i don't close my eyes when pulling the trigger. Only when i know i just did a terrible shot i sometimes think shit and close my eyes for a second.
My booklet says i went shooting 98 times since 12/02/2008
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 19-05-2014, 17:05:49
I am glad to see that you enjoy your K31! I am afraid I will have to sell the nice SMLE for less than what I paid for the worn one, since I need the money  :-\ . I am expecting to make a 60 per-cent loss. I found someone selling a Webley Mk. VI for the amount I could get for the SMLE, but that bloody joker does not reply although I contacted him over two days ago via Armslist. IF YOU HAVE A WEBLEY MK. VI FOR SALE FOR ABOUT $500 PLEASE CONTACT ME RIGHT AWAY!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 21-05-2014, 05:05:57
So, I walked into Cabela's to-day and asked them if they have a Webley Mk. VI lying around. One of my mates walks in the back of the store and returns with a very good condition Webley Mk. VI which is 1926 dated and features an Australian WD stamp. No F.T.R., great barrel, but missing the front sight blade and pin, has been converted to .45 A.C.P. and does not exactly lock up too tight, but for $500 I am more than happy. My reply to him was: "Well Sir, congratulations! You just sold it." I shared my joy with everyone around me and stayed over 15 minutes just handling and looking at it. I shall pick it up next Wednesday  :D :-* :o ;D .
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 27-05-2014, 19:05:50
Found this little gem on steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/262410/

A gun disassembly simulator!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 27-05-2014, 19:05:49
Found this little gem on steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/262410/

A gun disassembly simulator!
Wow, weird little thing, I might actually waste some time on this :D.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 27-05-2014, 21:05:39
Found this little gem on steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/262410/

A gun disassembly simulator!
Wow, weird little thing, I might actually waste some time on this :D.

This game, the reviews are fucking funny!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 12-06-2014, 17:06:54
Date of licence application, november 18...... Still waiting. Going to the head office tomorrow morning to ask what the hell is going on.

Edit:
So, this visit went well, they made me sign my new licences, they will send them to the police station next week they said where i can pick them up.
Fun detail, they put a semi automatic rifle in my sport shooting licence. I told it to them, she was happy that i said since it could have gotten her in trouble she said. Don't know if i was smart or stupid now.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 29-06-2014, 14:06:07
Aah, it had effect, can go to police station to pick up my papers on Monday :)
Now the question will be what rifle to go and shoot the next time i can go to the 75m range.

Anyway, does anyone else have a box where they keep all the vintage ammunition? The cool old stuff that you have, and can shoot but for some reason probably never will.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 30-06-2014, 17:06:58
I have a original box with some .30 Carbine cartriges which I simply keep in my showcase since my guns are locked away....

Oh btw If one of you euros come across a nice Gewehr 88, let me know it, i'm looking forward to buy one.

My gunsafe
http://imgup.com/data/images/19119.jpg
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 30-06-2014, 18:06:55
I have a Gew 88 but can not really help you find one at this moment. Since the new law it got a lot harder to find weapons like that.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: TASSER on 04-07-2014, 12:07:22
I have a original box with some .30 Carbine cartriges which I simply keep in my showcase since my guns are locked away....

Oh btw If one of you euros come across a nice Gewehr 88, let me know it, i'm looking forward to buy one.

My gunsafe
http://imgup.com/data/images/19119.jpg

Very, very nice GuinNess. I admire a man who has more than one M1. I've got a gorgeous 1954 H&R, but would like to pick up a nice, beat up, SA rifle from the war years, for nostalgia's sake.

Those MG's operational? If so, what state do you live in and are there any houses for sale in your area? :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 07-07-2014, 11:07:55
I have a original box with some .30 Carbine cartriges which I simply keep in my showcase since my guns are locked away....

Oh btw If one of you euros come across a nice Gewehr 88, let me know it, i'm looking forward to buy one.

My gunsafe
http://imgup.com/data/images/19119.jpg

Very, very nice GuinNess. I admire a man who has more than one M1. I've got a gorgeous 1954 H&R, but would like to pick up a nice, beat up, SA rifle from the war years, for nostalgia's sake.

Those MG's operational? If so, what state do you live in and are there any houses for sale in your area? :)

To answer in GuinNess his place, he is not from the US.

Personaly i like his greasegun the most.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 07-07-2014, 12:07:48

Very, very nice GuinNess. I admire a man who has more than one M1. I've got a gorgeous 1954 H&R, but would like to pick up a nice, beat up, SA rifle from the war years, for nostalgia's sake.

Those MG's operational? If so, what state do you live in and are there any houses for sale in your area? :)

I live in the Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg, here you can get war years Garands easily, but they are expensive...

I have a collectors license, that's why every gun in my collection is functional. I've tested them all (Grease Gun is a lot of fun  ;D) except the MG53 because I need 8X57 mg-ammo and those are rare....
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 07-07-2014, 12:07:50
Talking about MG ammo, they have a primer which is sealed better compared to rifle ammunition, but does it really make a big difference while shooting? Will your normal 8mm fail?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 07-07-2014, 13:07:25
Talking about MG ammo, they have a primer which is sealed better compared to rifle ammunition, but does it really make a big difference while shooting? Will your normal 8mm fail?

it's not the primer that make the difference, it is the case that is shorter than a normal (rifle) 8x57JS ammo. That is because of the high rof of the MG42 and MG34. If you try normal 8x57 in an MG42 it WILL jam because the room between the barrel and the case is too tight and the case can't expand enough. Just look at all those YouTube Videos where you see american hillbilly's shooting MG42 and jamming all the time  :P
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 07-07-2014, 13:07:09
How do you recognize MG munition anyway? All the primers have been "shrunken" into place, with the exception of the Prvi and WW1 bullet.
From left to right:
1937, 1937 AP, 1941 AP-T, 2001prvi, 1944, 1940, 1918
(http://imgup.com/data/images/19505.jpg)
(http://imgup.com/data/images/19506.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: GuinNess on 07-07-2014, 14:07:26
MG ammo has a RED marking on the lower part of the bullet and around the primer.
Rifle ammo has a BLUE marking instead.

http://www.mausershooters.org/k98k/8_ident.html

See the picture where it says on a cartigebox "für MG", that means "for MG". That should prove it :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 07-07-2014, 15:07:49
Still not clear to me, unless you have a box that says it is for me. all my ammunition has nothing visible or a red band.

On the 20th i will go to a buddy that has a lot of original 8mm, will see what he has there.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 25-08-2014, 18:08:51
I am wondering what the most gun-friendly country in Europe is. I am especially interested in one that protects these rights, as in a second amendement.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 25-08-2014, 18:08:16
Switzerland.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 25-08-2014, 20:08:16
Was AP ammunition used in normal rifles for normal combat. How about AP-T?
Picture just for reference, the clean ones are German 7.92x57 1938 and 1944 dated AP-T, found in water proof mg42 ammunition box, the dirty ones are 30-06 AP from 1943 in a not so water proof .50 ammunition box. Some of the German ones do show a 2cm scratch so they might have been linked one time. Since the US used cloth belts nothing is visible on these ones to indicate they where linked once. All these where found in a barn by a friend of mine. These where about half of the rounds found, the rest was regular Ss and SmE. I am a bit surprised by the 50/50 split.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/21120.jpg)
(http://imgup.com/data/images/21119.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 26-08-2014, 05:08:57
Wow how did I not know this thread exists? Well time to post some recent videos of my arsenal. Some of these might be repeats from the Militaria thread so sorry if you've already seen some of them.

Video of friends and I shooting my friend's M1 Garand (which he's leaving with me while he studies in Germany for a year):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-BQCOJafXg

Video focusing on my Gewehr 1888 Commission Rifle and my friend's 1896 Schmidt Rubin straight-pull:
http://youtu.be/97PGqsID130?list=UUQK9lbdAEi9mAM5iGfHoeyA

Video with a variety of rifles, with the highlight being a 3-gun Mosin firing squad on an unlucky parking ticket ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1pVV_EmSec&list=UUQK9lbdAEi9mAM5iGfHoeyA

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 02-09-2014, 07:09:13
Aaand another video for you all, this time featuring my Nagant revolver manufactured in 1914.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_mwL7DXBto&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: TASSER on 03-09-2014, 00:09:54
Very cool!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 05-09-2014, 15:09:49
Did some self-gunsmithing on my 700 by polishing the slope on the bolt where the firing pin head travels, so raising the bolt will be lighter.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 13-09-2014, 14:09:38
I had the chance to toy around with an EMP 35 last weekend, it felt like it was made for me, i had no idea how comfortable it was to cary and aim. I could not shoot it though. I did notice they the weapon really pulls of target when you dry fire it.

To bad it looks so ugly with the frontal grip.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 21-09-2014, 18:09:34
Today i went to the shooting range. i go every few weeks normally but this time is was to a special range where I could shoot bigger calibre rifles. First Rifle that i took was my Lee Enfield No5Mk1 "jungle carbine" I loaded it with 5 rounds of .303 privi partisan and aimed at th target 50m away. It had the effect that i was used to. A firm kick, not much muzzle rise. The rifle is light, i can easily aim with it so the result was good. Next reload i loaded some Remington .303 and it was similar, one can say the kick was a bit more, the smoke a bit less. Then I loaded some 1943 production mark VII ball. Standard WW2 British ammunition, aluminium tip, lead base, brass jacket. I was not sure if it would go off, after all it was quite old and i had to use steel wool on the outside since over time it got a mild corrosion and became a bit rough. Also, when i shake it i could not hear the powder. I did not know why, maybe this one was loaded with the 'spaghetti' cordite, i have no idea. Still, it fired perfectly. As expected the kick was noticeably harder and the smoke it created was a lot more then in the modern ammunition. And to my surprise..... it smelled much nicer also! I sill had 1 type of .303 left then I found 1 bullet for hunting, 60's production, soft lead tip, hot load. I shot it also and wow, an ever harder kick. The impact must also have been quite massive because i could see quite a large impact at the end of the range. In total i shot around 50 more bullets after that, most modern of course. After that the rifle became to hot so i put it aside to let it cool for a bit.

Next up i took out my Portuguese 937a Rifle. For those that do not know, it is a 1937 made Mauser Obendorf made K98k with the main differences being that the belt has the possibility to be installed on the underside of the rifle instead of the side, and that it has a V shaped sight protector at the muzzle. It also has slightly different markings and a Portuguese crest and such. I had never shot this rifle but the day before i did a thorough inspection of it and found it to be in perfect like new condition, with the only problem that i found was a screw that had a different serial number, all the rest, including the stock and bayonet had the same numbers. Anyway, i loaded a 7.92x57 privi partisan bullet in it and shot it. I only loaded 1 bullet as a test shot. It worked perfectly and only missed the centre of my target at 25m by 4cm. Great first shot in other words. I loaded 5 more privi and was very happy. Next up i loaded it with a surplus box of 1982 steel cased eastern European ammunition. I don't know the country. It was a bit more violent, and a bit more stinky. but worked perfectly. I must say the the recoil in this rifle a quite a bit less then on the Enfield since it is about 25% heavier. Both these shots gave similar fireballs at the muzzle, comparable in size with an orange. A bit more yellow in colour. Next up i had some wartime German ammunition. I had 1935 and 1937 Ss, and 1944 Sme. First one is pointed bullet, lead core, brass jacket, brass case. The other one is soft iron core, tiny bit of lead around it, brass jacket. It also had a steel case with brass coating. Both standard ammunition for the Germans. I also cleaned them up a bit before shooting since they had some mild roughness since the brass was slightly corroded, but that is not that big a problem. I shot the oldest bullet first. It went of perfectly, again, a much harder kick then the modern ammunition, also, the fireball it made at the end of the barrel was about double the diameter of the modern ammunition. And surprisingly, it gave a lot less smoke then the modern ammunition! It did not really have a smell also, so all in all not bad to shoot. Next up was the 1937 bullet and it was exactly the same. Last came the 1944 one and also, it gave a very similar feeling. Only when i wanted to extract the case did i notice that it felt wrong. It needed more force then the other bullets. When i took it out i notices some "marks" 1cm before then back of the case, it clearly expended more then the others and jammed itself a bit more then normal because of that. also, the case head was dirty, not a good sign, It may have leaked some gas there, at the wrong side, which is not good at all. After that i shot about 30 more modern bullets and went for a drink.

So, in short, compared to Privi partisan amunition.
Wartime .303, more kick, so more power and also more smoke. Nice smell
Wartime 8mm mauser, more kick also, so more speed in the bullet. Also bigger flash and smells nice. Best not to shoot late war ammunition.

Also, i had a great afternoon!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 01-10-2014, 18:10:03
Holy spaghetti, this must have hurt!

http://30roundrevolution.tumblr.com/post/98857057736/waranddestruction-sdkfz142-garand-thumb
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 17-10-2014, 05:10:59
I just bought a 1917 Eddystone with a matching bayonet, condition very good plus on both. I have also traded my 1942 Lithgow SMLE for a 1918 SMLE made by LSA. Please note that it does have the magazine cut-off.  :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Ivancic1941 on 19-10-2014, 18:10:04
I just bought a 1917 Eddystone with a matching bayonet, condition very good plus on both. I have also traded my 1942 Lithgow SMLE for a 1918 SMLE made by LSA. Please note that it does have the magazine cut-off.  :D
Put pictures,Please ;)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 27-10-2014, 00:10:52
Gentlemen, I need your help. With the way the United States of Africa are going, I contemplate about going back to Europe. Needless to say, I would take all of my fire-arms with me  ;D . It looks like Austria is probably my best bet, it looks like only three weapons out of my collection would need a Class B license, those being my Webley, my M1911A1 and my permanent semi-auto (non-convertable) Thompson SMG. My only worry is that they may ruin our freedoms by changing their laws without warning. Does Austrian law guarantee or protect the right to keep arms in any way? I would need to import a large quantity of bolt-action rifles, in addition to one pistol, one revolver and a semi-automatic rifle. Does anyone one know whom I should contact on how to get all of my weaponry imported?  In case they do decide to become socialists, I guess I could always take all of my guns to the airport and fly them back to Texas, telling Customs that these are my personal property and that I took them for a trip abroad, right? I just do not want to end up in a self-inflicted nightmare by leaving the fire-arm friendly state of Texas  :-\ . If anyone lives in another European country and thinks that it would be a better choice when it comes to my interests, please let me know. I would also appreciate any input from Austrian gun-owners, too. By the way, I have European citizenship and can speak German and French fluently. It just deeply upsets me that I would have to leave my trench-gun behind  ::) .
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Ivancic1941 on 27-10-2014, 07:10:18
I recommend to stay in USA.Europe is 0.I only know that in Schwicerland you can have many guns you want.Their law dont have army so people can have guns for selfdefence.My mates uncle in Schwic says that he has about 10 or more guns all over his house. ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 01-11-2014, 00:11:49
Thank you for you reply! Austria does have better laws than rest of Europe and is very much comparable to Switzerland in many ways. I am starting to organise the move already, but I will have to make a stop in Germany first. Then I will get a decent dwelling in Austria and establish myself over there. If the place goes CCCP or turns into a banana republic, I can always come back anyway. By the way, is any of the European members around here interested in a 2002 Ford Mustang? I will bring it over with me if everything works as planned for I plan on getting a Traction Avant instead while I will be over in Germany. The place I will stay at is on the Rhine, right across from Lauterbourg so my chances are quite good I think. If an Austrian reading this thinks that I have a misconception about his or her nation, then please let me know. It does seem to be a lovely and conservative nation that treasures personal freedoms and has great fire-arm laws. On top of that, it has a perfect central location within Europe, nice people and a beautiful countryside.  :D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 03-11-2014, 18:11:13
I got this one a year ago but why not share it here also.

New pictures of a super cool rifle. Is is a 1918 made Kar 98, or later known as a Kar98a. It had arsenal repairs done in 1920 probably, that is why it has 2 dates. Rifle is all matching, but not the stock, to great shame. This rifle really starts looking a lot like the K98k and is one of my favorite mausers. The bayonet is a 1937 made  Portuguese contract one but they where also produced already during WW1, even with sawback. Super hard to find here but they do show up from time to time and i hope to have one one day. It has some corrosion damage on the crest, but all the rest is tip top.

(http://imgup.com/data/images/32191.jpg)

(http://imgup.com/data/images/32192.jpg)

(http://imgup.com/data/images/32193.jpg)

(http://imgup.com/data/images/32194.jpg)

(http://imgup.com/data/images/32189.jpg)

(http://imgup.com/data/images/32190.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: TASSER on 11-11-2014, 00:11:02
Neat rifle Siben!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-11-2014, 17:11:49
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/PeaceDev/5790norm.jpg)

nicee...
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Musti on 11-11-2014, 20:11:06
Dat STG 57, noice!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-11-2014, 20:11:53
The gun is heavy, but man it shoots SO WELL <3

AND DAT BAYONET

people be like: lol iz big my M16 is lighter

But hey, each STG57 is basically a FG 42. Bipod? check. Insane accuracy? check! Rather controllable recoil? check!

Awesome swiss bayonet? check!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Tuco on 12-11-2014, 02:11:20
Yeah, i'm insanely jealous of that 57.
I can't even find a kit in the states.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 12-11-2014, 08:11:28
Congratulations, my friend! That is one lovely rifle you bought there! I will probably join you soon - I plan to buy my ticket to-morrow so I will be back in late November. That also means that I have to sell my M1912 Trench Gun. It is a 1928 Winchester that has been retro-fitted with a heat-shield. It also comes with the correct rear sling swivel attached. If anyone is interested I can post pictures.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Leibermuster on 30-11-2014, 20:11:30
For those of you who love the Springfield M1903, here's a book that goes into quite deep detail on the manufacturing of it, going as far as showing dimension drawings!

https://ia902205.us.archive.org/10/items/unitedstatesrifl00colvrich/unitedstatesrifl00colvrich.pdf (https://ia902205.us.archive.org/10/items/unitedstatesrifl00colvrich/unitedstatesrifl00colvrich.pdf)

Wish there was a book similar to this available for the Gew/Kar98
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 11-12-2014, 12:12:13
Look at this classic beauty, dont you love the improvments they did,

http://youtu.be/46GCbH76XUY
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 11-12-2014, 23:12:08
Probably not an original at all.  There's a few guys making working semi-auto reproductions of them, they go for around 10,000 last time I checked.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 12-12-2014, 10:12:15
Somewhat related ;)

Quote
WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?

RIFLE IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 12-12-2014, 18:12:46
Probably not an original at all.  There's a few guys making working semi-auto reproductions of them, they go for around 10,000 last time I checked.

Ofcourse not, that would be the worst idea ever, in September one of the second model got sold for 260 000 dollars. They are quite pricy to mess up.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Fuchs on 13-12-2014, 19:12:57
Probably not an original at all.  There's a few guys making working semi-auto reproductions of them, they go for around 10,000 last time I checked.
At the end of the video they confirm it's a guy making these reproductions and he's now testing the market for these modernized versions.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 18-12-2014, 01:12:24
I've got a short shooting vid for you all ... this was back in August when me and some friends took out our rifles and decided to shoot them in salvos :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLBYdGptHos&list=UUQK9lbdAEi9mAM5iGfHoeyA
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: sn00x on 04-01-2015, 01:01:34
Correct, They could get the scopes in the field (ZF4 or ZF41) but it is doubdfull they could get the scope mounts for the weapon.

According to army tests the MP 43 was good for sniping upto 600m, but according to airforce tests that was only 300 meters and thus optics where deemed not necessary. (please note that the army made this series of weapons, but the airforce tested them also to see if it was better then the FG42, it was not so they did not adopt it at that time)

Snoox, is it funny that you point out one of the positive points according to official airforce tests as a negative one. I will quote a book for this one.

(http://i.imgur.com/JMtiWLu.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/TMxIdhF.jpg)

Turned out to be a funny discussion anyway.

Now if you reread what i wrote, it says nothing about support, singleshot or auto.
What it Does say, that its dreadfull.

I and many more have a hard time getting a good sight picture, you dont get good cover while proning, its uncomfortable. It truly is what it is, an assault rifle. Not really designed for proning.

And how many times havnt such tests said this and that, and the users in the field dont agree even the bit?

Now i am not saying "everybody hates that long mag", but such a statement is user based and cannot be argumented against with some test notes :)

Either the users of the short mag didnt like the longer ones, or they made them shorter for practical reasons. Who knows?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 04-01-2015, 19:01:38
I am currently looking for two SMLE sling swivels without the screws from a European source. Does anyone have a pair they could part with? I also need a frog for my No. 4 bayonet. The condition on the frog does not matter as long as it is still of sound structure, in addition to that I do not care if there is any blanco still left on it.

Finally, I have an offer for our U.S. based members: I have a M1928 Thompson sub-machinegun with one thirty round magazine and one fifty-round drum magazine, a hard-case and a violin case fitted to the weapon for sale for USD 1.500,00. It is one of the new semi-automatic Auto-Ordnance made specimen with a 16,5 inch barrel, meaning that it is legally a rifle within the United States. I have put less than three hundred rounds through and have, needless to say, kept it clean and well oiled. If you are such a nice fellow and decide to get it, I shall also give you a few hundred rounds of .223 Remington as a gift to say thank-you.

I would also like to congratulate everyone for their outstanding collections - I am happy to see that there are many other people with the same hobby around here.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 16-01-2015, 04:01:20
While we're on the topic of looking for things, I've been on the hunt for a cleaning rod for my Gew. 88 Commission Rifle. They're really hard to find and, when they do pop up, are way over priced. Does anyone know a source for reproduction rods or reasonably priced originals? Here's the rifle btw, in case you haven't seen it:

Photo album: http://imgur.com/a/YgBlc#4

(http://i.imgur.com/i7nD0nO.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 16-01-2015, 18:01:51
Neat rifle, i also have one like that.

A few days ago i went to shoot my Berthier 1892 Carbine... It was insane to say the least. The kick wasn't that bad for its size, but the sound was a really low bang. and the muzzle flash was a meter long even with reduced Prvi loads. My brass also expanded quite a bit.

I have no idea if this is normal, it wasn't like i expected. I am also not really used to this rifle.

Please don't mind my trigger finger and wigling. i decided to let my dad (worst camera man ever) film it and it was the first time that i shot it. Stress levels where high since it had been really thoroughly inspected, but not test fired since i have it. It made a 8cm group at 25 meters.

http://youtu.be/-IA-qTwfJ5s
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 18-01-2015, 16:01:54
If infantry was to assault an enemy position and needed to have anti-tank capabilities and took some Panzerfausts with them, how would they carry them since I've never seen any type of sling attachments on them?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 18-01-2015, 17:01:20
If infantry was to assault an enemy position and needed to have anti-tank capabilities and took some Panzerfausts with them, how would they carry them since I've never seen any type of sling attachments on them?

Don't really know but my guess is designated riflemen who have their rifles on their backs and panzerfausts in their hands.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 18-01-2015, 20:01:44
Like this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H28150,_Deutsche_Soldaten_mit_Panzerf%C3%A4usten.jpg)

or this:
(http://weaponsandwarfare.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Panzerfaust-Bikers.jpg)

or this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Panzerfaust_helsinki.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Butcher on 18-01-2015, 22:01:38
Or this:

(http://i.imgur.com/mx6CeeT.png)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 18-01-2015, 22:01:00
Hey all. I went to a gunshow and picked up a new rifle yesterday. It's a Czech Gewehr 98 built in the BRNO arsenal, probably pre-WWI. It fires 8mm. Once I realized what I was looking at I couldn't pass it up! These pics are from immediately coming home from the show, so I haven't had a chance to clean it yet. I'll post pics of the rifle after its rejuvenation!

Full album:
http://imgur.com/a/HeNEB#0

(http://i.imgur.com/7hCbydD.jpg)

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 19-01-2015, 12:01:58
That is a great find! Congratulations on your new rifle.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 20-01-2015, 08:01:58
That is a great find! Congratulations on your new rifle.
Thanks! I took it apart last night and it's pretty dirty. Hopefully the bore is in good shape under all the grime! I'll post pictures when it's reassembled in it's cleaner state.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZsbSSRn.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 31-01-2015, 07:01:08
I took the Gew 98 out to the range last week and everything seems to work great. I got some decent groups for the first time out. Luckily the trigger is fantastic. Here's a gallery with some pics:

http://imgur.com/a/Hsw8r

(http://i.imgur.com/4wzz6gj.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 08-03-2015, 21:03:02
I had a Gew98 several times in my hands but never bought it. i had my reasons then but i would still really like to have one one day.

http://youtu.be/MsJWqzbr0q4

I took out my Carcano Cavalery Carbine last week. It went okayish the shooting but sometimes i had to give it quite a push to close, but that is probably due to a clip with a bit to narrow tolerance on the groove that stops the bullet from falling out of the clip.
The bullets where tumbling though, a bit unfortunate. maybe the barrel is to short, or the privi bullets didn't have enough contact surface to the barrel to stabilize them. its possible since i heard that the privi bullets are a bit undersized. Still, i hit the black on the target every time at about 40 meters.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Wilhelm on 08-03-2015, 21:03:26
I am jealous Hockeywarrior!  The Gewehr 98 is such a sexy rifle...definitely among the top 5 I would like to own if I started collecting.  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 08-03-2015, 22:03:33
Next time, aim under your target.  The rear sight on the Gew98 is graduated to 400 yards, which was supposed to be roughly the firing line engagement distance for German infantry tactics in 1914.  So you gotta aim well under your target in order to hit center at 100 yards.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 10-03-2015, 00:03:23
Next time, aim under your target.  The rear sight on the Gew98 is graduated to 400 yards, which was supposed to be roughly the firing line engagement distance for German infantry tactics in 1914.  So you gotta aim well under your target in order to hit center at 100 yards.
I always aim low with all of my military rifles -- they are all sighted out to a minimum of 200 meters/yards and thus all shoot high. This one wasn't any exception. So far I've found that out of all of my rifles, my Gew 88 appears to be sighted the highest.

Here's a new shooting video for you all, featuring some Mosins, Schmidt-Rubin 1896, and even an MG42!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gvz-tJ1VJQ
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Ivancic1941 on 14-03-2015, 09:03:37
Im curious  is original ammo for Stg44,MP40 Kar98 or Tompson,M1Garan still produced?Or is there any ammo of moder guns that could fit Stg44(I saw it is used in Sirian war)?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 14-03-2015, 10:03:15
Yes they are with exception of the stg44 amunition still very easy to find. all of them are currently still in production.

other weapons that use the 8mm kurtz are some late was k98 rifles and some pre war and early war german semi auto experimental rifles. Dont know much for postwar designs bu probably also? although nothing common.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 14-03-2015, 15:03:52
The Yugoslavians used the STG-44 straight through the 1980s, and Prvi Partisan of Serbia is still producing the 8mm kurz for the public market.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 14-03-2015, 17:03:44
I wish Prvi would start making some 8x56 Steyrs and 7.35x51 Carcano. And also fix there 6.5x52 Carcano and 8x50 lebel. (first one has projectiles .003 to small, and second one needs a ring around the primer so you can use it in the lebel tubular magazine)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 16-03-2015, 09:03:22
Well, to my knowdge they do make 8x56mmR, at least I saw a box for sale at Liberty Tree Collectors. To-day I bought myself a barreled action for a Short Magazine Lee-Enfield. The action is dated 1918 and was made by the Enfield arsenal. It almost looks new and was still greased in cosmoline. The barrel is really good, too, and while it does feature import marks, there is no sign of factory thorough repair. I have traded a 440 round can of 7,62x54mmR and a little cash for it. Now I want to order the missing parts, as soon as I can afford them, that is.

By the way, does anyone want a LSA 1918 Sht. Le. Mk. III, no import marks, with the magazine cut-off still in place? It is in good condition and to my eye has not had any parts re-placed since it's manufacture, even the extractor seems original! The only exception is the trigger guard screw, which I had re-placed since it broke, however I still have the original in a zip-lock bag.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 21-03-2015, 06:03:46
I just ordered the missing parts for my SMLE project, I hope that Numrich will not take that long to ship them to me.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 21-03-2015, 11:03:19
That website sells so many parts that i need but it sucks so much that its insanely expensive to order from them. If i want them to ship to Belgium i cant have an order more then 200 dollar at a time, need to pay 35 dollar export fee plus the shipping.

In other words, insanely expensive if all i need is some cleaning rods, barrel bands, springs and screws. Shipping could be double of the value of the parts.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: th_battleaxe on 21-03-2015, 11:03:23
Then you haven't even considered the import fees.

I had to pay an extra 35 euros for my Roland C.II model kit. 23 euros import tax (21% tax rate) and 12 euros "customs formalities". Whatever those are, I don't know. But it's a bloody rip-off.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 11-04-2015, 04:04:07
Well gents, after 3 weeks of hard work, I present you my refinished CZ-98 rifle.

My goal was to preserve as much character as I could while also cleaning it up and making it look sexier. After 2 weeks of cleaning with mineral spirits and Murphy's soap, plus light steel wool sanding, I applied 6 coats of boiled linseed oil. My goal was 8 coats but I just didn't have the time (and I wanted my kitchen back!). This is the result. I hope it was worth all the work!

More pics: http://imgur.com/a/EDR5J#13

(http://i.imgur.com/137RU0D.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: th_battleaxe on 11-04-2015, 10:04:40
Question: what is that lever on the trigger guard for?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 11-04-2015, 16:04:59
That's the buckle for the sling.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 14-04-2015, 07:04:54
That's the buckle for the sling.
Right you are! It's an original parade sling ... it actually isn't long enough to reach the furthest swivel point.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 20-04-2015, 20:04:12
A very dangerous malfunction in the new Winchester SXP pump action shotguns: firing pin stuck in the forward position.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBX7mEBVOao (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBX7mEBVOao)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 24-04-2015, 23:04:01
Finally put some footage together of the VZ-98 in action, paired appropriately with music by a Czech composer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMK_TWgtJJU
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 25-04-2015, 08:04:24
Haha, so, it kicked hard huh i see. Nice to see that rifle shoot though. I wish i also had one but most here seem to be a peruvian contract, very hard to find them in 8mm mauser and good condition.

I have been making movies also over the past months, but i lack a proper camera and camera man, so these where all made by zombies holding potatoes. Sorry for that. Wasn't really planning to share these. I just wanted to see the muzzle flashes on camera. I wish i would have a way to photograph them in high quality.

Berthier 1982 Carbine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IA-qTwfJ5s

MAS 36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLZi50KC5Uk

Moschetto da Cavalleria Mod. 91
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsJWqzbr0q4

K 31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymoOqrTGFa4

Steyr-Manlicher 95 carbine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=113jtyGKTjY
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-05-2015, 18:05:22
I am wondering, is there anyone here that also tries to collect WW2 amunition?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 15-06-2015, 03:06:57
Hey all. Just a quick post. I picked up an original Gew 98 sling at a local gunshow for my Czech VZ-98. And it only cost me $40, which is a damn good price for them these days.

(http://i.imgur.com/kJ930Bsl.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/0uoAQPwl.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: ksl94 on 15-06-2015, 16:06:32
Does anyone have a pre-1915 Sht. Le. Mk. III for sale?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 10-08-2015, 06:08:32
A few weeks ago I uploaded a video of me and a couple friends taking a K-31 for a spin! The rifle belongs to my friend and it is an incredibly sweet shooter -- by far the easiest rifle I've had the pleasure to shoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn0ygho7aWE
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 10-08-2015, 17:08:52
Nothing like going out to shoot with a couple of friends.

I bought some new things last weekend. After a long time i finally went out to a military event again and did a good find. I got a box for .30 carbine ammunition, the box is empty, but i have the correct ammo at home here so i can fill her up correctly. Also i found 4 m1 carbine magazines. 2 of the first pattern, in wax paper and 2 of the second pattern wrapped in its packaging. Both are new old stock. Also i got a nice 20 rounds Thompson magazine even though it has some slight dents, but hardly noticeable. Knowing that what i paid for it was super cheap i am a very happy boy now.

(http://s24.postimg.org/ln5yly7dg/2015_08_09_19_12_56.jpg)

Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 10-08-2015, 23:08:09
Had a blast trying the new Browning Maxus Composite semi-auto shotgun on the local skeet range for free! Took two mates who had never fired shotguns before with me and they caught shotgun fever. As well as I did, so I bought myself a gun safe and I'm planning to get my guns from my dads gun safe and bring them  here so I can go to the range more often and practice with my own shotty before hunting season starts.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 13-08-2015, 08:08:40
Nothing like going out to shoot with a couple of friends.

I bought some new things last weekend. After a long time i finally went out to a military event again and did a good find. I got a box for .30 carbine ammunition, the box is empty, but i have the correct ammo at home here so i can fill her up correctly. Also i found 4 m1 carbine magazines. 2 of the first pattern, in wax paper and 2 of the second pattern wrapped in its packaging. Both are new old stock. Also i got a nice 20 rounds Thompson magazine even though it has some slight dents, but hardly noticeable. Knowing that what i paid for it was super cheap i am a very happy boy now.

(http://s24.postimg.org/ln5yly7dg/2015_08_09_19_12_56.jpg)
Maybe relink the image? I can't see anything. And do you own the guns to go with those magazines?  :o

I'm super excited to buy my first "real" revolver next week (not to diss my Nagant revolver or anything lol). Behold: the Smith and Wesson "Combat Masterpiece" aka Model 15 c.a. 1951. I'm buying this baby off of a friend for a really good price. Can't wait :D

(http://i.imgur.com/VgxTq4hl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/b58X3Qql.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 13-08-2015, 19:08:10
No problem, here is a link from a different source.

(http://i.imgur.com/CddcdZz.jpg)

No, i don't own the weapons for these but one day i will if its ever possible.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 05-09-2015, 22:09:53
I've got a new shooting video for you all, featuring my new S&W K-38 Combat Masterpiece, made around 1951. A classic gun and my first "real" revolver -- no offense to my Nagant Revolver hehe.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6gFH_F8AiM&feature=youtu.be

(http://i.imgur.com/tPWjx1Wl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ugYMXU4l.jpg)

Comparison with my other pistols:
(from top: S&W K-38, Nagant Revolver, 1910/34 Mauser pocket pistol)

(http://i.imgur.com/9knJzSOl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/9knJzSO)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 06-09-2015, 12:09:38
Ooh, those are nice, can i ask what the mauser is worth? Also, what do you guys pay for the ammo for the Nagant revolver? i bought a box yesterday and it was 78 euro for 50.
I also recently bought an old Colt pistol, a WW1 Army issue one, super happy with it.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 06-09-2015, 19:09:30
Ooh, those are nice, can i ask what the mauser is worth? Also, what do you guys pay for the ammo for the Nagant revolver? i bought a box yesterday and it was 78 euro for 50.
I also recently bought an old Colt pistol, a WW1 Army issue one, super happy with it.
The Mauser is worth somewhere from $500-$600 most likely, given that it is in nearly mint condition, mainly because it sat in a drawer for 70 years after my grandfather brought it home from Europe  ;).

Nagant revolver ammo isn't that expensive here in the states. I'm able to reliably find it for around $25-$30 for a box of 50 of new factory ammo made by Prvi Partizan. It's also pretty easy to find the hotter (and corrosive) Soviet surplus stuff for about 50 cents a round.

I usually stick to shooting the less fun factory ammo out of it though, as for some reason I have a really tough time getting the surplus cases out of the gun  :-\
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 06-09-2015, 20:09:50
Ah, i see, here all i can find so far is Fiocchi made ammo, nothing else. I don't think i will do much shooting with that revolver with those prices.

Anyway, have a look at my new 1915 made Colt 1903. It has Belgian army proofmarks so its a good guess that this is from the Batch of Colts ordered by the Belgian army in 1915 to arm our officers.

I can not wait to shoot it.

Album: http://imgur.com/a/NJ15e

(http://i.imgur.com/eKoOzbu.jpg)



Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 06-09-2015, 21:09:22
Ah, i see, here all i can find so far is Fiocchi made ammo, nothing else. I don't think i will do much shooting with that revolver with those prices.

Anyway, have a look at my new 1915 made Colt 1903. It has Belgian army proofmarks so its a good guess that this is from the Batch of Colts ordered by the Belgian army in 1915 to arm our officers.

I can not wait to shoot it.

Album: http://imgur.com/a/NJ15e

(http://i.imgur.com/eKoOzbu.jpg)
Nice!! I really want a Colt 1908 (the version in .38 acp). They're sexy guns.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 07-09-2015, 16:09:54
Well, to my knowdge they do make 8x56mmR, at least I saw a box for sale at Liberty Tree Collectors. To-day I bought myself a barreled action for a Short Magazine Lee-Enfield. The action is dated 1918 and was made by the Enfield arsenal. It almost looks new and was still greased in cosmoline. The barrel is really good, too, and while it does feature import marks, there is no sign of factory thorough repair. I have traded a 440 round can of 7,62x54mmR and a little cash for it. Now I want to order the missing parts, as soon as I can afford them, that is.

By the way, does anyone want a LSA 1918 Sht. Le. Mk. III, no import marks, with the magazine cut-off still in place? It is in good condition and to my eye has not had any parts re-placed since it's manufacture, even the extractor seems original! The only exception is the trigger guard screw, which I had re-placed since it broke, however I still have the original in a zip-lock bag.
How much are you asking, out of curiosity?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 09-04-2016, 15:04:36
Just an amateur video.

https://youtu.be/HXcxRbhASwk

All i forgot to say is that yes, you can take it out of safety and put the hammer against the firing pin. Just pull back the hammer, pull the trigger then then let the hammer slowly go all the way to the front, then let go of trigger.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 01-05-2016, 16:05:44
Took out the TT-33. WW2 soviet made. First thing that surprised me... it has a huge muzzle flame! and with modern ammunition its even bigger then military surplus. Shooting 2 magazines here where i alternate between a new and old cartridge. Big flame is new, big recoil is old.

https://youtu.be/4zg5-p9A8ZU
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 01-05-2016, 16:05:54
You should definitely invest in some better glasses for the shooting range  :P
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 01-05-2016, 17:05:40
You should definitely invest in some better glasses for the shooting range  :P

When i find something decent that fits over my glasses i will. People that create safety glasses don't take into account people like me.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zoologic on 12-05-2016, 17:05:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0qkpf5O0A

Mosin Nagant's rudimentary and mass-produced feel.

G43's self-breaking overpowered recoil. (also felt in FH2, I don't like this rifle in-game either, the auto-loading feature is meh compared to its insane recoil).

About bullpup rifles: I thought ejector blowing gunpowder residue to my eye was due to my dominant left eye, but right-handedness (imagine shooting a rifle that way, aiming down the sight). I need to held the trigger with my left hand. Ejector being on the right hand side of gun (designed for right handed soldiers), so it ejects spent cases and gasses right to my partially closed right eye.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-05-2016, 17:05:18
The G43 recoil is identical to the M1 Garand ingame (only it pulls left instead of right).
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 12-05-2016, 18:05:12
You know, hearing so many bad things about the mossin nagant makes me want to go an shoot mine, i have not touched it in about 5 years a think.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Zoologic on 13-05-2016, 07:05:52
Perhaps I think too much of the G43 as an "auto rifle" while the still treat the Garand as a traditional rifle. The in-game loading method may help to shape that perspective. I think the SVT also give me that perspective as well. This is also prevalent in other games like Sniper and Red Orchestra 2.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 20-03-2017, 19:03:31
N-N-N-Necromanced!

So I inherited my granddads old Browning Auto 5 shotgun that I need to get the licences for, hopefully in a month or so. Some parts are missing, and some are not original, but it makes for a nice restoration project.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 20-03-2017, 20:03:43
Cool, I wish you the best :)
Share some pictures when you have a chance.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 21-03-2017, 21:03:03
Judging by the features and serial number this particular gun was made in FN Herstal factory in Belgium in 1930. It's missing it's friction rings and a bit of the locking block has broken off, as well as the firing pin being a little bit too long, as it pokes out of the bolt way too much. The bolt return spring housing has broken off, a common occurrence in these old guns. There's also a lot of pitting and rust on the surfaces and lots of scratches on the wood parts. The magazine restrictor plug is also missing as well as one of the locking screws. It is in working condition though, although shooting it without the friction rings is inadvisable. The stock is also not original, and it seems that the front sight isn't either. Plans are to replace that front sight with a modern Hi-Viz fiber sight that either clamps on the barrel or is attached with magnets to keep it as original as possible.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 21-03-2017, 22:03:44
ouch, sounds like a wreck :/
I wish you good luck.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 21-03-2017, 22:03:18
Well, it really isn't, some sandpapering needs to be done and then it's going to be re-blued, and spare parts are readily available, and the bolt return spring housing being fixed into the stock isn't that big of a deal, it just makes the reassembly a bit of a hassle.

Edit: Oh, the part where I mentioned that
The bolt return spring housing has broken off, a common occurrence in these old guns.
I forgot to mention that the bit that has broken off is now fixed into the stock.

The wood needs to be refurbished, probably going to sand it down and then use oil to refinish it.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3928/32734063304_289d3282ff_z.jpg)
The rust isn't that bad on the receiver, really.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3724/33577197095_f0a68e92f7_z.jpg)
All the internal parts are there as well.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2923/33420411152_708c5c0b93_z.jpg)
And that's where the guide rail has broken off, it's a half-moon shaped rail that tends to break in heavy use. Browning later strengthened it by making it wider, and that requires a larger cut in the bolt, so it won'tfit in this one. All the other parts are in good condition tho.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2841/32734064384_f090e4614a_z.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-03-2017, 10:03:20
Ah, good to hear.

Now that this tread is necrod, here is my latest purchase. All matching minus the mag and not refurbished. So 100% original.
I will let you guys guess what it is, mind the details, looks are deceiving.

(http://i.imgur.com/ysEujri.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: FHMax3 on 22-03-2017, 14:03:14
100% SVT-40 or AVT-40. One of those.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-03-2017, 15:03:03
100% SVT-40 or AVT-40. One of those.

But Witch one and why?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: FHMax3 on 22-03-2017, 16:03:28
100% SVT-40 or AVT-40. One of those.

But Witch one and why?
AVT-40
Below is is a picture of an AVT-40. The bolts look similar.
(http://molot.biz/public/img/products/catalogPhotos/vpo-924.png)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 22-03-2017, 16:03:36
Muzzlebrake is AVT's.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-03-2017, 17:03:32
Alright then, 1944 made AVT-40 is correct, quite happy with it and can't wait to take it to the shooting range and try her out.

The only difference is in the safety really, all the other parts are the same as SVT-40. The muzzle brake is just a simplified late war one as normal on a 1944 made rifle.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 22-03-2017, 17:03:19
How is the safety different to SVT? It misses the round hole in the middle of the metal bit or does it function differently?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-03-2017, 17:03:51
How is the safety different to SVT? It misses the round hole in the middle of the metal bit or does it function differently?

I functions differently, if it's down it blocks the trigger from moving, so its in safe, if you push it to the left with your index finger it is in semi mode like a normal SVT, but with an AVT you can also push the safety to the right, then its full auto. Its a different trigger pack really. all the rest is the same.
The rifle stock also has 2 cutouts instead of 1 for the safety to move in both directions.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 22-03-2017, 17:03:20
Ahh very interesting. I have a SVT-40 with the simple "AVT" muzzlebrake.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-03-2017, 18:03:06
How does your trigger pack look? i want to learn the differences, mine is made semi auto only with the pin they added behind the trigger. but are there also ather differences?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: FHMax3 on 22-03-2017, 18:03:48
Any chance we get to see the AVT in-game???  8)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-03-2017, 19:03:59
Any chance we get to see the AVT in-game???  8)

Its very hard to control, and it literally breaks itself to parts, i am talking 200 shots or less in full auto and its for the trash.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 22-03-2017, 20:03:36
I havent tried to disassemble the trigger pack, so I cant say or show you how it looks like.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 22-03-2017, 20:03:11
I havent tried to disassemble the trigger pack, so I cant say or show you how it looks like.

It is super easy, a 10 second job to remove it, open the little hatch on the back of the receiver and push the ring inside with a pen or so.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Dancho on 25-03-2017, 00:03:15
Is there anyone interested in air guns?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 01-04-2017, 20:04:10
Not me, i got a Diana 48 though but rarely use it.
I collect the real WW1 and 2 stuff.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 04-04-2017, 21:04:17
Now, I recently learned that the local gunsmith no longer does hot-bluing, and cold-bluing the whole gun is inadvisable, as the finish probably wouldn't be as high quality as we'd like. However, there is another gunsmith 100 km away that would do it for 78€ with prepwork done by us, or around 130€ with them doing the prepwork as well as 58€/hr work fee. So, judging by the look, would you guys recommend doing it or just do a light touchup, removing the rust and then put a light surface oil coat to keep the patina?

The end result comparison would be quite close to this:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2e/d9/cd/2ed9cdd2769163ad3ec29573f36be56b.jpg)

Edit: I now have the parts necessary to repair the gun.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 17-04-2017, 14:04:46
Sitrep:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3932/33283284683_e8647e9ebd_z.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2817/33283284423_9ff3642464_z.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2918/34094849375_5c1ebd5daf_z.jpg)

More work needs to be done on the receiver and the barrel, sandblasting equipment being on the to-buy list. A new front sight is on it's way. The stock needs to be refitted to the receiver, probably with Acraglas to remove play.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Dancho on 24-04-2017, 22:04:40
The "naked" rifle looks like those grenade launchers mounted on Humwees, uuh.. "Mk 47 Striker" as dar as I remember.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 25-04-2017, 01:04:42
The "naked" rifle
AFAIK it's a shotgun, the Browning Auto-5

It's the British engineer's weapon in the Secret Weapons of WW2 expansion for BF42
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 30-04-2017, 13:04:31
It works!  8) https://youtu.be/4OFTLbNCdME
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 30-04-2017, 17:04:50
Congrat's, awesome!
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 04-09-2017, 20:09:37
It's done:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4361/36792424852_4d08fbea0c_c.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4356/36792426382_4ecb3e2e72_c.jpg)

And a bonus family photo:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4364/37000621515_bcc4847af6_c.jpg)
Top to bottom:
Remington 700 SPS in .308 Winchester. The barrel channel in the stock has been ground open and the stock bedded to make it a free floater, and another sling swivel attach point added to the front.
FN/Browning Auto-5 from 1931.
Valmet 112 12-gauge O/U shotgun from the 70's or 80's. My first shotgun, and it used to belong to my dad. The stock has been shortened by 10 cm, then added back(you can barely see the line where it's put together, just behind of the rear sling swivel), and the comb raised by 7mm. The bottom barrel was burst at the muzzle, and that's why it has been shortened.
TOZ model 17 .22LR
Savage Stevens model 89 .22LR single shot.


BTW, if you have a Boresnake, how do you usually clean it?
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 14-09-2017, 15:09:35
Would love to answer it, to bad this game and forum are dead :(
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Slayer on 14-09-2017, 21:09:11
Would love to answer it, to bad this game and forum are dead :(
The game has been dead since 2007 ;)

If you want more action than this forum, join Discord :)
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VolkssturmGewehr on 31-10-2017, 16:10:58
Would love to answer it, to bad this game and forum are dead :(
The game has been dead since 2007 ;)

If you want more action than this forum, join Discord :)
 
 
Are you referring to FH2? Thought there was still a little something going on. Seems like a colossal amount of work went into creating the Finnish & Russian factions only to cease on expanding the Eastern Front.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: Ts4EVER on 31-10-2017, 17:10:09
He is being sarcastic,because people said this game was dead since before 2.0 was released. Yet even after periods of inactivity it usually springs back to life again. The Eastern Front is also still being developed, there are new maps on the way. Some devs just have real life stuff to do at the moment, so progress is slow.
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: VonMudra on 14-11-2017, 18:11:28
(https://i.imgur.com/1goLkw7.jpg)

So this happened.  Plans are to replace ugly late-commie era red plastic grip with a proper bulgarian wood one (restain to match if need be), bakelite wood grain mags, bulgarian sling, bulgarian bakelite bayonet...needs the cleaning kit.  Also thinking about getting a 70s era bulgarian red dot for the side-rail (they all came equipped with those IRL)

So will need to work to restore it to glory, but should be a fun project
Title: Re: The Great Firearms-Thread
Post by: siben on 14-11-2017, 20:11:09
That is pretty neat. Original configuration is often the best one. unless for the vz58 maybe, i honestly hate the looks.

Question: What is your fun rifle, the rifle u use to just have fun with, to shoot a weeks or more wage within an afternoon.
For me it is my SKS-45.