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Forgotten Hope 2 => General Discussion => Topic started by: THeTA0123 on 03-05-2011, 21:05:26

Title: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-05-2011, 21:05:26
What WOT cant do for you. So i was browsing google to find a picture of the T21 light tank, a prototype of the T20-T23 series
So i googled it=

http://www.google.be/search?tbm=isch&hl=nl&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=935&q=T21+light+tank&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

See something already?
I saw it on the last moment..

http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/category/u-s-army/
http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com(scroll down)

I reported this to thorondor wich contacted the rest.
After a while i learned other Modders and other have used FH2 material before without permission nor mentioning credit

Morale of this thread=Eyes open people. If you see other people wich use FH2 stuff, renders or such, its good to contact the Moderators/admins to varify if they got permission

Title: Re: Is that? mon dieu... (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: VonMudra on 03-05-2011, 21:05:17
Indeed, like I said to you on steam, the guy knowingly covered up the Forgotten Hope logo, thus denying credit.
Title: Re: Is that? mon dieu... (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 03-05-2011, 21:05:15
Not only that, but notice how he has added a blank on top of the makers of the models at the bottom of the render images?
Title: Re: Is that? mon dieu... (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-05-2011, 22:05:52
Not only that, but notice how he has added a blank on top of the makers of the models at the bottom of the render images?
Yep. That was awefull to watch. I scrolled down and down and i kept finding FH2 renders all over the place. Went to the mainsite. And found more renders.

And do you know what the MOST IRRITATING about this is?
Check on the bottom of the main site=


PROTECTED BY COPYSCAPE PLAGIARISM CHECKER…
(http://banners.copyscape.com/images/cs-wh-120x60.gif)

TO me that it is claiming that it is HIS work and that he fights against Plagiarism
Title: Re: Is that? mon dieu... (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: VonMudra on 03-05-2011, 22:05:25
This guy is a major league asshole, that's for sure :|
Title: Re: Is that? mon dieu... (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-05-2011, 22:05:56
Did some more digging. some renders where added recently, like this one

http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/us-army-winchester-model-12-trench-gun/

Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: siben on 03-05-2011, 22:05:27
Sad thing, but i wonder, what is the point of his website?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: azreal on 03-05-2011, 22:05:51
It's to educate people on US Army I think. I saw that website and I wasn't sure if it was something worth pursuing. Thank you Theta for bringing this back up, we'll pursue it internally.

And if anyone else finds examples of FH2 plagiarism, let's make this the official thread for posting it.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-05-2011, 22:05:28
Ye i decided to make this thread as i heard before that other people used FH2 for there mods without permission nor credit to the origenal (CoH mods so i heard)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: azreal on 03-05-2011, 22:05:23
Yea, I think just about every CoH mod has attempted to get away with using our stuff. We always shoot them down. Also had a bunch of Chinese people try to get at our shit, including one guy who build his own tank-FPS using models from BF42, FH1, and FH2, and then tried to sell it.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Mud Buddha on 03-05-2011, 22:05:40
Sad thing, but i wonder, what is the point of his website?

What's the point of any blog out there?

But a weird site it sure is. To name your site Stahlhelm and then go all out fetishising on US hardware...
He tries to be plain informative on his site, which I guess it's a good thing, but why on earth tape a logo across the original FH logo makes no sense.

And is this one also FH's by the way? At least he made an effort there...  ;)
http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/sturmgeschutz-40-ausf-g-late/sturmgeschutz-iii_01/
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Cory the Otter on 03-05-2011, 23:05:13
This makes me angry.



And is this one also FH's by the way? At least he made an effort there...  ;)
http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/sturmgeschutz-40-ausf-g-late/sturmgeschutz-iii_01/

Yes.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Thorondor123 on 03-05-2011, 23:05:40
Get mad! Burn the site down with combustible lemons!
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: nvrsummer2 on 03-05-2011, 23:05:06
Im sure most of the people here that make the models wouldnt mind their work out there. In fact its good advertising.  Just how hard is it to give credit?!?! Im sure hed throw a fit if his stuff was taken and used elsewhere ;-0. But thats stooping to his level...
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 03-05-2011, 23:05:01
Yea, I think just about every CoH mod has attempted to get away with using our stuff. We always shoot them down.

Which guy/mod tried to get your stuff? If you don't want to write here, then pls send me a pm.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Fuchs on 04-05-2011, 00:05:45
Demand to see the blogs manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give FH2 lemons! Or plagiarize stuff in this case. We're done here.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: HappyFunBall on 04-05-2011, 00:05:38
Better to politely explain to him that he is free to post pics from FH2, so long as he give us credit. He keeps his silly blog, we get free advertising.

Everybody wins.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-05-2011, 00:05:48
Demand to see the blogs manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give FH2 lemons! Or plagiarize stuff in this case. We're done here.
As the fair finder i have right for 1% of the lemons
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Fuchs on 04-05-2011, 00:05:27
Cave Johnson's lemons should not be taken orally. And don't put them on your skin either. Just don't take them at all, that's what the labboys said.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Dukat on 04-05-2011, 00:05:52
As good as the models may be, a 3D model made by somebody is not necessarily a good evidence to explain equipment of the U.S. Army during World War 2. It simply lacks detail.
The whole site is so piss-poor, I can't even define the language. Is it Romainian? Polish? Also found no disclaimer. Big lol.


Edit:// oh wait, this is him? Now you can watch him like monkeys in a zoo.

(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/7779/9041ffe97d37d970d13e25b.jpg)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Fuchs on 04-05-2011, 01:05:37
I bet that's his gaming computer in the background. Made by NASA in 1962.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Comrade Roe on 04-05-2011, 01:05:13
Wow, some people really need to find their own content/give credit. Didn't make much sense just posting US ARMY over the FH2 logo for the knife models when it also had the Wehrmacht knives.

Still, the people doing this don't just seem lazy but also kinda stupid and would clearly make poor criminals if they like trying to escape lawsuits.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-05-2011, 08:05:46
Funniest thing on his webpage is that he thanks all the spambots for commenting on his blog. ^^
For me he isn't very bright and I don't know if it's worth it. As long as he's just using the pics and obviously in quite an amateur way.  8)

Anyhow, just scroll down and enjoy. http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/about/  ;D
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: RAnDOOm on 04-05-2011, 12:05:49
Reminds me of this guy.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/7/10106989_0579f7be13.jpg)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: psykfallet on 04-05-2011, 13:05:39
use his face on a player model, that would be some plagiarism  ;D
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Thorondor123 on 04-05-2011, 14:05:23
http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/us-army-m4a1-76-w-medium-tank/awwii_08-2/

Look at this :D

(The comments)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-05-2011, 14:05:09
oh my.......
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Kubador on 04-05-2011, 15:05:36
From his response I get the feeling that this is a major bot-blog where the 'creator' himself is a bot.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Dukat on 04-05-2011, 18:05:45
use his face on a player model, that would be some plagiarism  ;D

He is too ugly, just imagine how ugly the model would be. Besides, he behaves like a bot, indeed.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Zoologic on 04-05-2011, 18:05:47
Anyone speaking Romanian or whatever he speaks?

I think we do not want to present the community as a lynch mob, no?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: General_Henry on 04-05-2011, 19:05:59
This is for sure not a good practice for a blogger, we need to discuss with him/her how to use FH2 materials properly.

Maybe he don't want such a large logo of FH2 up there, but I think there are other proper ways of doing that.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-05-2011, 19:05:48
Anyone speaking Romanian or whatever he speaks?

I think we do not want to present the community as a lynch mob, no?
think again

(http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/115374541/mob_small_bigger.gif)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 04-05-2011, 19:05:09
Damn this...
the comment makes me sad.....
http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/us-army-winchester-model-12-trench-gun/#comment-625
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-05-2011, 19:05:38
Damn this...
the comment makes me sad.....
http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/us-army-winchester-model-12-trench-gun/#comment-625
Why? it could perhaps be someone who tries to get an answer from this guy.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 04-05-2011, 19:05:58
Please, calm down.
This personn is certainly not aware about the internet rule and etiquette.
No need to flame him until we haven't talk with him.

Thx for reporting btw.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 04-05-2011, 19:05:51
Damn this...
the comment makes me sad.....
http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/us-army-winchester-model-12-trench-gun/#comment-625
Why? it could perhaps be someone who tries to get an answer from this guy.

In the way, when the credits would be there, all would be clear :P
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-05-2011, 19:05:17
Damn this...
the comment makes me sad.....
http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/us-army-winchester-model-12-trench-gun/#comment-625
Why? it could perhaps be someone who tries to get an answer from this guy.

In the way, when the credits would be there, all would be clear :P
But what if he is a SPAH?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 04-05-2011, 20:05:29
Well, hm... that changes situation ...

Well some romanian FH forumer would be really usefull.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Laffey on 04-05-2011, 20:05:47
Im Romanian, although my Romanian isnt super awsome great I can understand what he is writing, biggest problem is, whilst I can understand Romanian quite well I cant formulate sentences in it
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Zeno on 04-05-2011, 20:05:36
your romanian and cant understand romanian?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Laffey on 04-05-2011, 20:05:52
yeah well I emigrated to England when I was about 4
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: NTH on 04-05-2011, 22:05:53
This comment intrigues me, who could be this elusive mr. Maus? Muwhahaha.

http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/us-army-winchester-model-12-trench-gun/#comment-625 (http://stahlhelm1939.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/us-army-winchester-model-12-trench-gun/#comment-625)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-05-2011, 22:05:20
Ye i wonder  ;D



(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/38354/1491593-spy_beard_tiny.png)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-05-2011, 18:05:05
and there goes my disguise....
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Bravo3945 on 05-05-2011, 21:05:07
I'm disgusted with that the FH devs put their hard work into those renders and someone just comes and steals them... :-\
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-05-2011, 23:05:38
Anyway, Azreal you should make a sticky thread in wich you say people need to be on the lookout for this
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: General_Henry on 05-05-2011, 23:05:03
well, and to teach people how to cite properly FH materials. We shouldn't give up the possibility of doing a bit of advertisements ;)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 08-05-2011, 11:05:13
And his site keeps on growing with FH2 content.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 08-05-2011, 11:05:04
I somehow dont get it why he left the credits to Toddel and K96 on M1917 revolver and US smoke grenade, when he didnt on rest. If is it because it is on same line like as the name of weapon, and not line bellow, his brightness is...... like bot.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Zeno on 08-05-2011, 14:05:54
5 new renders from fh2... maybe the devs should sue him and get some well deserved cash^^
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Viktor2a5 on 08-05-2011, 17:05:24
I somehow dont get it why he left the credits to Toddel and K96 on M1917 revolver and US smoke grenade, when he didnt on rest. If is it because it is on same line like as the name of weapon, and not line bellow, his brightness is...... like bot.

Maybe he forgot?

And nobody has said anything about black choppers yet ;D
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 08-05-2011, 18:05:20
Looks like a form of content scraping. There are entire sites that scrape other people's blog posts in order to make their site look dynamic so they can attract advertising. ~It's usually scraped blog posts, or  in this case WW2 renders from a certain modification. Seen this kinda thing a few times now, but it still sort of makes me gasp  :-X.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Dukat on 08-05-2011, 19:05:44
5 new renders from fh2... maybe the devs should sue him and get some well deserved cash^^

Well, as somebody linked him to the FH frontpage, he might have felt invited to copy a few more pics due to the reference. ;D
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Rawhide on 08-05-2011, 19:05:11
I love how he covered up the FH2 logo with his own but you can still see bits of the FH2 one :D
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Dukat on 08-05-2011, 20:05:57
I love how he covered up the FH2 logo with his own but you can still see bits of the FH2 one :D

That doesn't matter as long as the main issue is done properly.

(http://bilder.net/haus,schief.jpg)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 08-05-2011, 22:05:26
"Tsunami can't get me ! My house already knocked over !"

I beginning to fear for this guy. FH fans armed to the teeth picketing outside his house, or something.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: IrishReloaded on 11-05-2011, 09:05:54
(http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/804/804251/the-simpsons-movie-20070712114604586.jpg)
? :D
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-05-2011, 19:05:43
ABOUT GODDAM time!

Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Vicious on 11-05-2011, 20:05:41
kinda wack, i don't know why he has to take off the names.... he could easily give the modelers credit, it is educational after all so ... not like if he just did that there would be any legal grounds for copyrighting.

but... for instance I don't think it matters as much as you think... I mean I watched a UK Reality Warfare PR Forest Fire trailer and they use music with no credit to the artist... I don't think anyone is thinking, well G the artist really got stiffed on that one.

This is a mod where you have taken EA's code, engine, etc. to basically borrow their hard work... of course you give them credit but the theory applies that sharing is the way to the future.

And also when so often we get replies on suggestions of "no one has the time" then do we really have the time to go after some guy's blog that in reality no one is looking at. 
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-05-2011, 23:05:41
Yes

*loads Drilling
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Vicious on 12-05-2011, 02:05:46
and infact the credit should go to the 2d artist because really the models aren't even what they have. maybe since the 2d artist isn't listed on the credits... well FH2 is... he felt no need to leave the names. ;D
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: TrollingThunder on 13-05-2011, 07:05:14
Well stealing without permission is certainly a rude thing to do. But I really don't think it's a good thing to paint other communities as thieves just for asking to use something. I heard that one group from CoH asked if they could use stuff from FH1, and were denied permission.

From what I've seen in modding communities, there are many talented people around, but their attitudes are what set them apart. I mean, if I had the talent to model things, and I made a Panzer III for one community, and another one asked if they could use my model I would take that as a compliment, as long as they gave me some form of credit or asked for input or something.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: azreal on 13-05-2011, 07:05:05
Well when you've actually made the object(s) in question, it becomes different. Everyone likes to pretend they'd play the nice-guy-attitude, but few ever do.

Also, the thing with CoH mods are, they almost never ask...they just take.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Kubador on 13-05-2011, 11:05:31
It doesn't take talent to model/animate/2d art/etc. Just hard work and commitment. If someone doesn't to share his hard work then it's his damned right to do so.

(http://readtheprospectus.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/joker.jpg?w=440&h=180)

"If you're good at something, never do it for free." - oh wait...
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-05-2011, 13:05:21
and infact the credit should go to the 2d artist because really the models aren't even what they have. maybe since the 2d artist isn't listed on the credits... well FH2 is... he felt no need to leave the names. ;D

Trivia: Remdul makes the renders for news updates I think. Although azreal learned it recently IIRC.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Wulfburk on 13-05-2011, 18:05:20
CoH mods do really just take, there was like 6 mods who copied like everything from Blitzkrieg mod (another CoH mod, awesome btw) and the number keeps on growing, they always get their profiles deleted on ModB but still they continue...
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 13-05-2011, 18:05:43
But they'll never be super cool.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Strat_84 on 14-05-2011, 18:05:37
CoH mods do really just take, there was like 6 mods who copied like everything from Blitzkrieg mod (another CoH mod, awesome btw) and the number keeps on growing, they always get their profiles deleted on ModB but still they continue...

That disease is common to many games unfortunately. For one guy that is really interested in improving a game and spends some time on it, there are always 10 lazy retards that just want to be "developer" but don't want to make any other effort than copy/pasting content ...
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 14-05-2011, 18:05:57
that's also the reason why many talented modders have stopped modding ...
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: sn00x on 18-05-2011, 21:05:53
you guys do know that most of the CoH blitzkrieg content is free to use content? and that allot of its content was out before blitzkrieg mod?  ::) aaaaand that blitzkrieg mod If you listen closely enough have the FH2 mg42 sound with a little twist on it? 98k sound aswell iirc
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: OlBloodnGuts on 19-05-2011, 04:05:56
What a bunch of turds. That is precisely why the internet can be dangerous and filled with dickheads.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: flyboy_fx on 20-05-2011, 07:05:00
I'm one now that I think of it... :o I used some of FH2s sounds in a stop motion... Well, from now on I will give credit for the sounds at the end! I just never thought of it.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: sn00x on 20-05-2011, 15:05:46
im not sure what is worst, taking stuff without asking, or not giving credit..
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Zoologic on 21-05-2011, 07:05:35
Not giving credit is worse than taking without asking.

In the internet, it is hard to prevent anyone from taking the content of their site, unless you are forcing it (e.g. disabling the right click, which is annoying to the user). I usually put a reference to the original creator when I take something, even only some part of it.

I remembered how Thompson M1A1 sounded like back in FH 0.7, it was similar to Band of Brothers sound effect, which is silly. Thankfully FH2 used better ones.

you guys do know that most of the CoH blitzkrieg content is free to use content? and that allot of its content was out before blitzkrieg mod?  ::) aaaaand that blitzkrieg mod If you listen closely enough have the FH2 mg42 sound with a little twist on it? 98k sound aswell iirc

Now this is worst of all: taking credit of something that is not your own. So, for me, from the worst to least: taking credit from someone else work; not giving credit; taking stuff without asking.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: sn00x on 21-05-2011, 13:05:03
i absolutly agree with you on that one
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: kummitus on 21-05-2011, 13:05:36
http://www.moddb.com/mods/blitzkrieg

It says that using is not allowed without permission  ::)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: th_battleaxe on 21-05-2011, 18:05:45
I somehow dont get it why he left the credits to Toddel and K96 on M1917 revolver and US smoke grenade, when he didnt on rest. If is it because it is on same line like as the name of weapon, and not line bellow, his brightness is...... like bot.

Maybe he forgot?

And nobody has said anything about black choppers yet ;D
aha, so that's why I keep seeing black helo's coming from the general direction of Holland. Fuchs, keep sending them we need moar of them!!
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Fuchs on 21-05-2011, 20:05:15
I have no influence whatsoever on the deployment of black helicopters, the person who sends those is Li- What is that? G-men at the front door. Oh sna-
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: psykfallet on 04-06-2011, 02:06:59
slightly related
http://www.fhmod.com/
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 04-06-2011, 12:06:49
How do you know, that the sounds are made by FH Team?
You also say that it sounds a little bit different...
The mod-teams get their modells, sounds, etc. from community members
The Blitzkrieg-Modder doesn't make any content, unless UI, himself - he only combines the work of other community members.
If the mod uses your property, these guys are to blame, and not the modder, which thinks that his content is made by the community members...
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Wulfburk on 06-06-2011, 01:06:33
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you guys do know that most of the CoH blitzkrieg content is free to use content? and that allot of its content was out before blitzkrieg mod?  Roll Eyes aaaaand that blitzkrieg mod If you listen closely enough have the FH2 mg42 sound with a little twist on it? 98k sound aswell iirc

Yeah, most is free to use, but not Xalibur's made skins (BK mod leader), he lets people use them, if they ask for permission and give him credits, which all those mod stealers  i mentioned, didnt.

and honestly, i play both mods everyday, and i dont see that BK stole the mg42 sound, it does sound close, but its the damn same weapon, and i dont know where the BK sounds came from.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Lupin on 09-06-2011, 02:06:27
I've been working behind the scenes and exposing stolen FH content to Lobo for years.

This happens a lot more than you think.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: psykfallet on 09-06-2011, 02:06:18
I think someone has stolen Lobo now  ;D
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 09-06-2011, 04:06:50
  Who is this Lobo fella you all speak of?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 19-07-2011, 01:07:20
http://www.gta4-mods.com/weapons/mg42-from-bf2-fh2-f9505

Hm - the FH2 MG42 in a GTAIV mod...  ::)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: LuckyOne on 15-08-2011, 14:08:12
It's seems someone found a use for the FH2's wallpaper for promotion of his own mod:

http://www.moddb.com/mods/tiny-missions-2
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Knochenlutscher on 02-06-2012, 14:06:30
Take a closer look at this, I can't help myself.
???
>Panther, StuG, PzIV and Tiger II

http://ironfront.deepsilver.com/en/vehicles-of-the-wehrmacht (http://ironfront.deepsilver.com/en/vehicles-of-the-wehrmacht)

Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: ajappat on 02-06-2012, 14:06:45
Take a closer look at this, I can't help myself.
Game was announced with new game engine, but I doubt when watching the models.
>Panther, StuG and Tiger II
Soon more content rated ???.

http://ironfront.deepsilver.com/


1. It uses same engine as Arma 2
2. Game engine doesn't have "anything" to do with models.
3. Just take their stug and FH2 stug next to each other and you'll see there are plenty of differences.

Edit: WTF. Dice in LuckyOnes avatar is moving  :o. It has never done so for me.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: LuckyOne on 02-06-2012, 15:06:39
Edit: WTF. Dice in LuckyOnes avatar is moving  :o. It has never done so for me.

Hehe I recently re-uploaded it to imageShack as it wouldn't play animation when I uploaded it here...  ;)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-07-2012, 23:07:18
FH2 renders seem to be used everywhere

http://www.maquetland.com/v2/index.php?page=vision&id=224&type=photos

But this site does it right. Nothing changed of the render and a source to the FH2 website :)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Easy Eight on 01-08-2012, 09:08:02
I was just randomly browsing moddb when this came up: http://www.moddb.com/mods/unit-mod1/images/schwimmwagen

It looks oddly familiar. Or is it just me (question mark)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: hyperanthropos on 01-08-2012, 09:08:41
He says in the commets that he made the modell two years ago, wasnt this modell all readly in Fh1 so its actually longer in FH2 than 2 years?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 01-08-2012, 10:08:36
I found from the FH archives a news post that shows ingame images of the vehicle in september 2004. The announcement of the vehicle in a newspost could have been earlier, but I could not locate it because I was skimming through the archives with haste. However, it is clear that this person is trying to nick Rad's work. Claiming he made it 2 years ago doesnt even help him because 2.2 was released in 2009 september, which was the first release to introduce the vehicle again in Villers-Bocage map.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-08-2012, 10:08:26
moddb takes action against plagiarism

There icebox is filled with pieces of fellows who tried to fuck others people work over
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Tankbuster on 01-08-2012, 11:08:07
Yea, I think just about every CoH mod has attempted to get away with using our stuff.


Company of heroes mods stealing from FH2???
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-08-2012, 11:08:16
Yea, I think just about every CoH mod has attempted to get away with using our stuff.


Company of heroes mods stealing from FH2???
Yes quite alot actually
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: hyperanthropos on 01-08-2012, 12:08:29
could you give examples?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-08-2012, 12:08:24
could you give examples?
browse this thread and this one

http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=17210.0
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-08-2012, 15:08:29
everybody give a + to toddels post and click "report media"

If multiple persons click this, moddb checks the page and the comments and action is probaly then taken

http://www.moddb.com/mods/unit-mod1/images/schwimmwagen#imagebox
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Slayer on 02-08-2012, 16:08:01
everybody give a + to toddels post and click "report media"

If multiple persons click this, moddb checks the page and the comments and action is probaly then taken

http://www.moddb.com/mods/unit-mod1/images/schwimmwagen#imagebox
Done. For those who are going to do the same: I searched a short bit for "Report Media", it is in the Options box. It is greyed out, but you can still click it when logged in.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-08-2012, 17:08:45
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7360/fh2d.png)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: |7th|Nighthawk on 02-08-2012, 17:08:41
Reported :)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
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Guys i think we booked some succes


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Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: ajappat on 02-08-2012, 22:08:20
But that doesn't still stop them from including that model to their mod..

Has anyone checked if it already is in their current version?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: fh_spitfire on 03-08-2012, 12:08:49
That case is being taken care of :)
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-08-2012, 12:08:49
That case is being taken care of :)
Fantastic! good job everyone
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: FEDE_snma_ITA on 04-08-2012, 22:08:17
Thompson in GTA 4, labeled as 1928 but it is actually an m1a1 by "author"   boow

http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.php?do=cat&id=346&start=98&orderBy=
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: ajappat on 04-08-2012, 23:08:06
Good find.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: THeTA0123 on 05-08-2012, 00:08:29
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/imagesfh2/weapons/M1A1%20Thompson/big.jpg)

frakking bastards
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: ajappat on 05-08-2012, 12:08:20
In these kind of cases, I always wonder where did the thief stole his other content. In both of these last 2 cases, the author has been pushing quite a lot content out. But did they make any of them?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Easy Eight on 01-10-2017, 18:10:23
Didn't know where to post this, so sorry for bump.

I found this model: http://www.moddb.com/mods/warfront1/images/ingame-shots-of-panzer-ii-and-t-264

You can see that it's the FH model just by comparing it with the official render: http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/images/vehicles/T-26/big.jpg

I didn't check all pictures but I think there might be more models/textures from FH. Montoya and FH1 are long gone so I'm not sure if stolen models are still seen as a crime.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Slayer on 01-10-2017, 21:10:29
I'm not too sure about this one. The Warront tank is missing the two headlights for example, and also the rear part looks different.

Of course there are also a lot of similarities, but because they are the same tank in a mod of the same game, chances are quite big that you get similar looking vehicles.

Thanks for the report anyway, maybe I'm totally off the chart here and someone more modelsavvy can shed his/her light on this.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: MajorMajor on 01-10-2017, 22:10:36
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Are you making these models and textures alone? That's quality of whole mod-team...
Yes, it is just me, although I can't take credit for some of the models/textures. I have downloaded quite a few from free model sites. While I did have to do a LOT of work (re-model parts, re-wraps, partial re-skins, etc) to some of them to get them ready for the game, some of these were done by someone else.

From the Moddb comments section. It could be the FH1 model modifield without permission, after all.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Slayer on 01-10-2017, 23:10:11
Yeah, it would be nice if he wrote down which models were his and which aren't, and who worked on them. Will save a lot of trouble later. My guess is most of them aren't his because he is the only one working on the mod.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: jan_kurator on 02-10-2017, 00:10:08
You can tell by the matching texture detalis that it is indeed a FH1's model. I can't tell if he aquired it in a legal way tho. Nice find. I guess is up to devs to dispel any doubts here.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Adûnâi on 13-10-2017, 23:10:02
Montoya and FH1 are long gone so I'm not sure if stolen models are still seen as a crime.

Wait, doesn't a Pixel-Fighter server with 26 concurrent players count as alive?
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 14-10-2017, 13:10:13
Montoya and FH1 are long gone so I'm not sure if stolen models are still seen as a crime.
It's a matter of respect for those who work hard for free to provide those model.
(even if the model is obsolete today)
A minimum is to ask permission
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Easy Eight on 14-10-2017, 18:10:47
Montoya and FH1 are long gone so I'm not sure if stolen models are still seen as a crime.

Wait, doesn't a Pixel-Fighter server with 26 concurrent players count as alive?
Yes it's still being played, with "long gone" I meant the development of the mod.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: bf_takiwa on 31-10-2017, 20:10:42
Nice to see you're still around Seth_Soldier  :)

Easy Eight, I downloaded this model, along with several others. Did I know they were  FH models? I kinda figured, I'm familiar enough with their older BF1942 stuff to know, even if the texture sheets wasn't signed. But since they were uploaded to a free 3d model download site over 3 years ago, and available for download under personal and commercial free license, I used them. I changed some things on the models, and the textures as well, to fit with what I'm doing with my mod, but I never claimed ownership of the models. Plagerism? Stolen models? Criminal? Seems a bit excessive, even coming from an FH fanboy...

I would suggest a simple Google search of "free 3d models" to see whats out there and who put it there, and under what conditions they can be used, BEFORE coming to a public forum and accusing anyone of anything.

EDIT: As a side note, it would have been easier for me if I did just "take" the model from the FH mod. The models I downloaded were in .max format. I had to open them in 3dsmax 12, convert them to .3ds, then open them in 3dsmax 7, make any changes to the model I deemed necessary, break apart the tank into it's hierarchy, set the pivots, create the bones, skin the tracks for animation, create the collisions and shadows, apply the texture, and then code after exporting. I can honestly say that I have just as much work in the model itself as the original dev. I chose to do this because even with all that work, these models were still unwrapped and textured, which (for me at least) is the most time consuming part of the modeling process. So, if I have anything to feel "guilty" about, it would be using the texture that I didn't not create.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: FHMax3 on 12-11-2017, 10:11:35
Nice to see you're still around Seth_Soldier  :)

Easy Eight, I downloaded this model, along with several others. Did I know they were  FH models? I kinda figured, I'm familiar enough with their older BF1942 stuff to know, even if the texture sheets wasn't signed. But since they were uploaded to a free 3d model download site over 3 years ago, and available for download under personal and commercial free license, I used them. I changed some things on the models, and the textures as well, to fit with what I'm doing with my mod, but I never claimed ownership of the models. Plagerism? Stolen models? Criminal? Seems a bit excessive, even coming from an FH fanboy...

I would suggest a simple Google search of "free 3d models" to see whats out there and who put it there, and under what conditions they can be used, BEFORE coming to a public forum and accusing anyone of anything.

EDIT: As a side note, it would have been easier for me if I did just "take" the model from the FH mod. The models I downloaded were in .max format. I had to open them in 3dsmax 12, convert them to .3ds, then open them in 3dsmax 7, make any changes to the model I deemed necessary, break apart the tank into it's hierarchy, set the pivots, create the bones, skin the tracks for animation, create the collisions and shadows, apply the texture, and then code after exporting. I can honestly say that I have just as much work in the model itself as the original dev. I chose to do this because even with all that work, these models were still unwrapped and textured, which (for me at least) is the most time consuming part of the modeling process. So, if I have anything to feel "guilty" about, it would be using the texture that I didn't not create.
Hmmm... https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/FiveRings-Tiger-Panzer/8843490?id=8843490&slug=FiveRings-Tiger-Panzer
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: bf_takiwa on 12-11-2017, 16:11:50
Hmmm... https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/FiveRings-Tiger-Panzer/8843490?id=8843490&slug=FiveRings-Tiger-Panzer

https://free3d.com/3d-model/german-panzer-ww2-ausf-b-quotkingtigerquot-19449.html
https://free3d.com/3d-model/churchill-tank-mk-iv-a22-81414.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-40365.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-42729.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-40325.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-40324.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-40323.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-40322.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-40321.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-40320.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-39463.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-39462.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-39461.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-39295.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-39294.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-39291.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-39290.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-37120.html
http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-39289.html

Just a 5 min search, like I said...
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 12-11-2017, 19:11:13
Don't worry, no one's accusing you of anything criminal. This is a place to discuss possible illegal use of FH's stuff and bring it to the dev's attention. The devs can decide what they want to do about it.

Seems that someone clearly ripped these models from FH and uploaded them to various 3D websites without the owners permission. I'm sure this is also the case with many other FH models on websites that we don't know about.

All the accounts that uploaded these models are anonymous and have no other information. I'm almost 100% certain that they weren't uploaded by the original devs, especially if it was only 3 years ago.

Imo the best thing to do would be to ask the website to take these models down.
https://free3d.com/terms-conditions#dmca_terms (https://free3d.com/terms-conditions#dmca_terms)

That's really all that can be done, but it's up to the devs to do it.
Title: Re: fh2 Plagiarism (Keep a lookout for this)
Post by: bf_takiwa on 13-11-2017, 01:11:40
Rest assured of 2 things...One, I haven't used a lot of the models that are availbale for download, and two, I have every intention of replacing the models I have used at some point, and have already replaced a few since their inclusion in the mod (Panzer II, Churchill, KVs, and King Tiger, to name a few). I am either using another downloaded model, or I remodel them myself. I am a very capable modeler and texturer, and that shouldn't be in question, so it wasn't because I couldn't do these models on my own. I added them because it gave me a lot of new content quickly that I could build my mod around. I have plans to eventually have all my own stuff in WarFront, but between working alone and working with a game that is over 15 years old means that this is most likely not going to happen. But I would like to be able to say that a lot (preferably most) of the content is mine.

I know almost all of those devs personally, and worked with them in the early days of FH 1. I did some coding for FH 1, and a few textures as well. I have a great deal of respect for them as developers, and I would like to believe that they hold me in the same regard, so this was NEVER an issue of me trying to steal their work and pass it off as my own.

I didn't credit the FH team with these models when I used them, because they didn't come directly from the FH mod. Had I done that, I think the fallout from the FH fanboys that still play FH 1 would've been pretty bad, and this issue would've blown up. So I kept it simple. I downloaded them from various internet sites, used them, and that was that.

Either way, I will replace all the ones I have time to, and the mod will continue to move forward. It's not FH 1 by any means, but I would invite you to download WarFront and give it a try if you still play BF1942. I have done a few new things, like 3d reticles and random spawn load-outs  on my planes that you might like.