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Title: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 20-03-2011, 15:03:34
For all you flight-simmers out there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO35o8IRDz0&hd=1

The Il-2 series does the Battle of Britain and looks absolutely stunning!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z469HXN0hlQ

And, it's available for pre-order on Steam with a release date of 31st March (in Europe, I think the US might be mid-April): http://store.steampowered.com/app/63970/

Here's a good interview which reveals several details about the game: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/08/il-2-sturmovik-cliffs-of-dover-interview-we-talk-to-oleg-maddox-and-ilya-shevchenko/

And here's a ton of screenshots: http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ32

The only downside seems to be the limited number of flyable aircraft although they seem to cover most of the BoB planes:
Blenhiem MkIV
Hurricane (3 versions of MkI)
Spitfire (MkI early/MkIa/MkIb/MkII)
Tiger Moth
Bf109E-3 (possibly E-1 also)
Bf110
Ju-87
Ju-88
He-111
G.50
Br.20 M
Cierva C.30 (Autogyro)
Su-26 (modern aerobatics plane, Oleg was lead designer on this aircraft)

Non-flyables,
Anson
Beaufighter
Defiant
Gladiator
Sunderland
Walrus
Wellington
Bf108
Do-17
Do-215
He-59
He-115
Cr.42
(source: http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=31016&start=30)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 20-03-2011, 15:03:14
Yes, looking forward for this one. Don't know if I will instant buy though, IL games usually drop quickly in price
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Rawhide on 20-03-2011, 15:03:29
Sure looks awesome, never played IL-2. Gotta try it when I get the chance.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [11PzG]matyast on 20-03-2011, 15:03:39
Looks good, but I think I might have to wait until I get a computer upgrade.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: AlexS66 on 20-03-2011, 16:03:22
Wow really excited about this. looks very good :D


100th post. ;)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 20-03-2011, 17:03:21
ATTENTION TO ALL AMERICAN PLAYERS!  DO NOT PRE-ORDER ON STEAM IF YOU WANT IT EARLY!

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-IL2COD/il-2-sturmovik-cliffs-of-dover

I preordered it on here a couple days ago, it will release on March 31st, NOT the april 19th date as given on steam.

Also, on the plane count:

The original IL-2 had only 12 planes, and 3 static campaigns.  This one will have 2-3 static campaigns (british, german, and possibly Italian), and 13 flyable planes (one not WW2).  The maddox team is already hard at work at TWO expansions, due probably next year.  So don't fret, it'll go the same route as IL-2 Sturmovik did, with Forgotten Battles and Aces adding everything plane wise, plus dynamic campaigns for everyone. :3
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tim270 on 20-03-2011, 19:03:41
Pre-ordered a while ago.

Simply cannot wait.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Kelmola on 20-03-2011, 19:03:46
Any idea why the game is in Russian language known as IL-2 Sturmovik: The Battle of Britain and in the West it is being distributed as IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover? I mean, BoB would be 110% more unambiguous, plus it's not like you can copyright the name of a battle (if the movie or LucasArts's 22-year old take on the same subject, Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain would conflict with that).
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Torenico on 20-03-2011, 19:03:40
Meh, i dunno. SuperDuperGraphics aint my thing. This one looks fine yes, but i'll stick with my good old IL-2.

Might try it.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 20-03-2011, 20:03:13
Is there going to be any demo? Just don't like buying stuff without testing if it works well with my joystick.

Maybe use some other means to get it and afterwards buy it for multi if it works well.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Paasky on 20-03-2011, 21:03:54
Any idea why the game is in Russian language known as IL-2 Sturmovik: The Battle of Britain and in the West it is being distributed as IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover? I mean, BoB would be 110% more unambiguous, plus it's not like you can copyright the name of a battle (if the movie or LucasArts's 22-year old take on the same subject, Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain would conflict with that).
Because it's much more symbolic and iconic.

There'll be blue birds over.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUx3MU9iM6c
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Ciupita on 20-03-2011, 21:03:14
Meh, i dunno. SuperDuperGraphics aint my thing. This one looks fine yes, but i'll stick with my good old IL-2.

Might try it.

I wouldn't try it because of fancy graphics. I would try it because it's BoB and IL-series is great.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Thorondor123 on 21-03-2011, 18:03:40
I'll definitely get this one.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: AlexS66 on 21-03-2011, 18:03:46
Im intrigued by these prospects. i could never get the online to work on my other il-2 it was a lot of computer jargon i didnt have time to understand and combat flight simulator 2 wouldnt even respond to multiplayer.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: ZeG on 21-03-2011, 21:03:09
Is this game playable without a joystick ? Or do I really need to get one ?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Thorondor123 on 21-03-2011, 21:03:40
Is this game playable without a joystick ? Or do I really need to get one ?
You can play IL-2 without a stick... but I would strongly recommend you to get one.

Low priced quality stick like Logitech Attack 3 will work just fine.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Kelmola on 21-03-2011, 21:03:48
Is this game playable without a joystick ? Or do I really need to get one ?
You can play IL-2 without a stick... but I would strongly recommend you to get one.

Low priced quality stick like Logitech Attack 3 will work just fine.
Twin-engined bombers might be marginally flyable with a gamepad - at least, I could fly Beau or Mitchell reasonably well with one (full flight model realism, only ignoring complex engine management) when I hosted a small lanparty a few years back (and did not have the sense to have enough joysticks).

Free flight in relaxed realism is theoretically possible with a keyboard. Combat or full realism... not really. Been there, done that, bought the farm every time.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Rawhide on 21-03-2011, 21:03:14
Seriously naw guyz

  IL-2, easy to get started? I don't like simulators when it takes forever to get going. I want a good mix of realism/simulator but also that it's fun to play and entertaining
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 21-03-2011, 22:03:27
Also, on the plane count:

The original IL-2 had only 12 planes, and 3 static campaigns.  This one will have 2-3 static campaigns (british, german, and possibly Italian), and 13 flyable planes (one not WW2).  The maddox team is already hard at work at TWO expansions, due probably next year.  So don't fret, it'll go the same route as IL-2 Sturmovik did, with Forgotten Battles and Aces adding everything plane wise, plus dynamic campaigns for everyone. :3
Good points!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcm_5L6yZIY&hd=1 - I'm pretty sure this video shows most of the planes included in the game.

I'm very tempted to pre-order it but the price is a bit off-putting, particularly with Portal 2 coming out soon too...
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Kelmola on 21-03-2011, 22:03:11
Seriously naw guyz

IL-2, easy to get started? I don't like simulators when it takes forever to get going. I want a good mix of realism/simulator but also that it's fun to play and entertaining
At least in IL2:FB series there was "Instant Action" - you could pick your wingmen and opponents and skip straight into the action. You can also choose more thorough single missions if full-on campaigning seems a little daunting at first.

As for customizing the difficulty, the sky's the limit. You can adjust everything individually in IL2:FB series (not so in the abomination called Birds of Prey). Flight model you can choose between easy and realistic, but you can mix this up with blackout, redout, torque, wind, etc. Fuel and ammo can be set to unlimited independently. Engine management can be streamlined or "complex" (you have to adjust - depending on the plane - propeller pitch, magnetos, carburetor, turbocharger, etc.). Minimap and plane icons can be set on or off. External views can be blocked or allowed. And so on. You can add more challenge as your piloting skills grow.

tl;dr: You can play IL-2 as a semi-realistic shooter or a hardcore simulator and anything inbetween.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: sn00x on 22-03-2011, 01:03:49
for as long as i have my beloved Stuka, i dont care! ;D
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mud Buddha on 22-03-2011, 10:03:04
Still have that IL-2 Ace edition lying around here. Looked forward to playing them, wanted to like it, but when I tried it out could hardly get a plane off the ground. Kinda gave up after that. But since I was probably playing other games as well around that time maybe I should buy a decent joystick and give it one more chance.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: sn00x on 22-03-2011, 14:03:13
if you just want the fun, play without the insane realism :)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Pascucci the Whiner on 22-03-2011, 17:03:37
if you just want the fun, play without the insane realism :)

Depends on your idea of fun lol.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 22-03-2011, 17:03:06
Personally, in IL2, I only turn on vulnerability, realistic landings, takeoff/landing, clouds, realistic gunnery, headshake, and a couple others I can't remember.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: AlexS66 on 22-03-2011, 17:03:36
i really enjoyed the aspect of turning infinite ammo and and ripping enemy planes peice from peice untill there was nothing left
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 22-03-2011, 18:03:46
Seriously naw guyz

  IL-2, easy to get started? I don't like simulators when it takes forever to get going. I want a good mix of realism/simulator but also that it's fun to play and entertaining

It's very customizable, so you can make it a little more arcady if you want. I would say yes, you can pick it up  and play if you want
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Torenico on 24-03-2011, 00:03:04
I have been flying with Kb for about two years or something.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 24-03-2011, 00:03:40
Is this game playable without a joystick ? Or do I really need to get one ?
You can play IL-2 without a stick... but I would strongly recommend you to get one.

Low priced quality stick like Logitech Attack 3 will work just fine.

I've been using an almost 15 year old microsoft joystick since Microsoft Flight Sim 2...and have never needed anything more.  You could prob pick one up on ebay for a few bucks :P
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 24-03-2011, 09:03:29
Is this game playable without a joystick ? Or do I really need to get one ?
You can play IL-2 without a stick... but I would strongly recommend you to get one.

Low priced quality stick like Logitech Attack 3 will work just fine.

I've been using an almost 15 year old microsoft joystick since Microsoft Flight Sim 2...and have never needed anything more.  You could prob pick one up on ebay for a few bucks :P
yeh i got logitech attack 3. works fine. but i reccomend an joystick with coolie hat, you you can look around.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [11PzG]matyast on 24-03-2011, 16:03:28

I'm very tempted to pre-order it but the price is a bit off-putting, particularly with Portal 2 coming out soon too...

It is 36e from a finnish web shop, which is a fair price. I am sure play.com will have a good price up soon.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 24-03-2011, 18:03:25
It's £29.99 on Steam and other digital download providers. I can't seem to find a disc copy for sale anywhere on UK online shops.

Edit:

Here's why: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8071032709/m/5151024809

Quote
What version of the game is available in my country?
The Collector’s Edition is available in the UK (exclusively via the Ubishop) and throughout Europe.
In the UK the CE is the only boxed version available to buy.
Digital download version of the game is available in the US.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 25-03-2011, 08:03:49
It's out in Russia right now and from what I've been reading, it's practically a disaster.

Lots of people are saying it runs horribly even on super-high end computers, with low graphics set.

The devs are claiming that it's because of an "anti-epilepsy" feature that UBI pushed on them at the last moment which practically gimps the entire game, but I'm not to sure.

I'm still going to get it, but I'm not going to be surprised if it's a mess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEsDs-l9LHA
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Kelmola on 25-03-2011, 09:03:08
Ugh. 5 fps on that kind of rig, and it does not look any better than old IL-2 on that detail level?

I would assume that it really requires two GPU's, either on a single card or Crossfire'd/SLI'd, because even the fastest single-GPU cards are not that much faster than 4890. 5850/6850 is maybe 10% faster, 5870/6870 30% or thereabouts, even a 6970 is some 50-60% faster, so instead of 5 fps you might get a whopping 8 fps :P (Figures very rough approximations on the basis of tomshardware.com charts.)

One question is also whether is really requires DX11 (even though it would "run" on DX9/DX10 hardware), which the 4xxx series doesn't, but somehow I doubt that (bearing in mind that the game was originally supposed to come out in 2006...)

Might be better to wait for a patch, or for the computers catching up in a few years.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Pascucci the Whiner on 25-03-2011, 10:03:00
It's out in Russia right now and from what I've been reading, it's practically a disaster.

Lots of people are saying it runs horribly even on super-high end computers, with low graphics set.

The devs are claiming that it's because of an "anti-epilepsy" feature that UBI pushed on them at the last moment which practically gimps the entire game, but I'm not to sure.

I'm still going to get it, but I'm not going to be surprised if it's a mess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEsDs-l9LHA

I'm still not too worried, they'll probably fix it in a patch. It kinda reminds me of ArmA II when it was released, it was totally unplayable due to lag issues. They fixed it in a series of patches and now it's great.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 25-03-2011, 10:03:28
Ugh. 5 fps on that kind of rig, and it does not look any better than old IL-2 on that detail level?

I would assume that it really requires two GPU's, either on a single card or Crossfire'd/SLI'd, because even the fastest single-GPU cards are not that much faster than 4890. 5850/6850 is maybe 10% faster, 5870/6870 30% or thereabouts, even a 6970 is some 50-60% faster, so instead of 5 fps you might get a whopping 8 fps :P (Figures very rough approximations on the basis of tomshardware.com charts.)

One question is also whether is really requires DX11 (even though it would "run" on DX9/DX10 hardware), which the 4xxx series doesn't, but somehow I doubt that (bearing in mind that the game was originally supposed to come out in 2006...)

Might be better to wait for a patch, or for the computers catching up in a few years.

From what I've read, it doesn't support dual GPUs, and to make matters worse, dual GPUs actually make it run slower. And I don't think it runs on dx11 either.

I'm still not too worried, they'll probably fix it in a patch. It kinda reminds me of ArmA II when it was released, it was totally unplayable due to lag issues. They fixed it in a series of patches and now it's great.

I sure hope so. I've always enjoyed the il2 series and I've been waiting on the edge of my seat for this. Hopefully by the time it reaches England and the States they'll iron out a lot of these problems.


Here's a nice looking screenshot:
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8970/full10298707shot2011032.jpg)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 25-03-2011, 13:03:09
It's out in Russia right now and from what I've been reading, it's practically a disaster.

Lots of people are saying it runs horribly even on super-high end computers, with low graphics set.

The devs are claiming that it's because of an "anti-epilepsy" feature that UBI pushed on them at the last moment which practically gimps the entire game, but I'm not to sure.

I'm still going to get it, but I'm not going to be surprised if it's a mess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEsDs-l9LHA
well at the end of the vid it seemed to run fine. i got almost the same rig, so i am not worried about :D
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: sn00x on 25-03-2011, 14:03:13
Oh great, they are releasing the game with an Epilepsy filter by demand from UBI.... screw ubi, sorry Oleg, not gonna by this now
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Torenico on 25-03-2011, 17:03:13
Wait, what happend to that Storm of War game?

I really dont see the point of limiting the number flyable aircraft. I want to take part of the damn battle damnit, i want to use all airplanes. IL2 with that old AAA Mod was badass, you could use almost every single airplane (Including the millions of Me109s Models ;D) and play WW2 like a real WW2!!

Battle of Britain is kinda boring. Yes you have quite alot of options if it comes with a Full Mission Builder, like attack ships, bombing missions, landings, you name it. But its so, limited, just Britain, Germany and Italy... Thanks but, no.

But i think the Mediterranean will be 1000 times better. It has more nations (Greece, Italy, France, Germany, UK, Australia, US etc) and moar navy. Its alot better imo.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Thorondor123 on 25-03-2011, 17:03:58
Wait, what happend to that Storm of War game?

This is it.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 25-03-2011, 18:03:37
Like I posted above Tore, this is how the original IL-2 started out.  If you didn't play it, then to explain, it was only germans and russians, an IL-2, russian "fighter" and german "fighter" campaign, and that was it.  You couldn't choose what planes to fly, all combat was pre scripted, all planes you'd use were pre-scripted, and, not counting version types, there were only 12 flyable planes.  So this game is going the same route.


On the topic of the "epilectic" issue.  I read through the forums, and it looks like the devs know about it, and are fighting to fix it "within days, not weeks."  So hopefully, it'll be fixed soon....  The main thing is that it apparently does not support SLI.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Torenico on 25-03-2011, 19:03:34
I hope it'll cover the whole WW2 then ;D
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 25-03-2011, 19:03:12
Phoney war, Battle of France, Overlord and bombing the Reich are possible expansions IMO.

Imagine it.. Flying CAS with Typhoons, destroying Tigers and Panthers and other stuff.. Or the Legend of Y-29 AKA Operation Bodenplatte, or fighting the ME-262 in your Mustang.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 27-03-2011, 10:03:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1s4xGXzVrY

Hurricanes can fly without wings!  ;)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: AlexS66 on 27-03-2011, 11:03:47
I dont like the look of the plane based destruction parts of the plane fall off like the glued on with pritt stick. im sure they will iron out the details. or maybe im looking in the wrong places.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 27-03-2011, 12:03:50
I dont like the look of the plane based destruction parts of the plane fall off like the glued on with pritt stick. im sure they will iron out the details. or maybe im looking in the wrong places.

Here's a more flattering example of plane damage:
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5977/full10298746shot2011032.jpg)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 27-03-2011, 14:03:06
I'm in two minds about this game now, what with the whole epilepsy filter/bad fps thing. Every screenshot I see makes me want to buy it though! I guess I'll just wait for the non-Russian release to be out and see what reception it gets and what 1C say about patches/fixes.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: AlexS66 on 27-03-2011, 15:03:17
Wow thanks man =D thats awesome! this is much better. i mean ive seen video's where the planes just split in half like the are lego models. but this keeps my hopes up.

I hate building something out of lego holding it up to the light and then dropping it. everything goes into slow motion and my heart explodes.

Anyway off topic.

I might use that pic as my background.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: sn00x on 27-03-2011, 15:03:53
I want to fly the BF108...........  :'(
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: AlexS66 on 27-03-2011, 16:03:17
I WANT TO STEER THE BURNING HULK OF A WELLINGTON INTO AN AIRFIELD OR EVEN SOME KENT FARMERS BACK GARDEN IN THE MOST HEROIC ACT OF CREW-SAVING EVER WITNESSED.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Thorondor123 on 27-03-2011, 16:03:06
I want to fly the BF108...........  :'(
Liaison aircraft missions, excitement to the max!
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 29-03-2011, 03:03:36
Here's some very good news:

"From Luthier

Default Quick epilepsy update
Hello everyone,

Once again I want to point out that a lot of your earlier anger was misplaced. Actually, our colleagues at Ubisoft are extremely interested in making this game a success, they care about our opinion and yours, and everyone we work with there is understanding and cordial and more than willing to listen and change their mind.

Having said that, I'm glad to announce that the debacle has been resolved.

We will be making the filter optional, however turned on by default. And we will be adding a large epilepsy warning to our splash screen. I am almost certain that this update will hit the steam servers on March 30th and thus seamlessly make it onto everyone's machines when the game is installed on the 31st.

The March 30th update will also address some of the issues reported with the Russian version, but we'll provide more details with the patch notes once we know for sure what it'll contain. Obviously, we need to test the heck out of all the changes to make sure we don't introduce any new bugs while fixing the old ones (the team's favorite past time lately as it seems)."

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19645

And here's a website someone set up to compile news and general user opinions/concerns:
http://www.freewebs.com/heinkill/cliffsofdovernews.htm
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 29-03-2011, 21:03:55
Excellent news!

Though looking at some of the posts on that second link it looks like I'm going to have to do some major upgrading! :(
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Rawhide on 29-03-2011, 22:03:22
I WANT TO STEER THE BURNING HULK OF A WELLINGTON INTO AN AIRFIELD OR EVEN SOME KENT FARMERS BACK GARDEN IN THE MOST HEROIC ACT OF CREW-SAVING EVER WITNESSED.
Awesome post

How hard is the IL-2 games, does it take a long time to get settled and get going?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [ret]azreal on 29-03-2011, 22:03:35
Hmmm, this is coming out soon isn't it? The wikipedia page says March 30th.

Just picked up on this again, after having a falling out after the original Storm of War trailer. Looks like this will be a solid flight-sim. Can't wait to get it. Always had a good time with IL-2 1946. Where can an American as myself purchase this lovely game?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Paasky on 29-03-2011, 23:03:43
I WANT TO STEER THE BURNING HULK OF A WELLINGTON INTO AN AIRFIELD OR EVEN SOME KENT FARMERS BACK GARDEN IN THE MOST HEROIC ACT OF CREW-SAVING EVER WITNESSED.
Awesome post

How hard is the IL-2 games, does it take a long time to get settled and get going?
Anywhere from your-aircraft-doesn't-stall-or-take-any-damage-from-all-but-the-biggest-crashes-into-the-ground to your-engine-will-explode-if-you-turn-the-wrong-switch-at-the-wrong-altitude.

Depends on what difficulty settings you use.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 29-03-2011, 23:03:06
Hmmm, this is coming out soon isn't it? The wikipedia page says March 30th.

Just picked up on this again, after having a falling out after the original Storm of War trailer. Looks like this will be a solid flight-sim. Can't wait to get it. Always had a good time with IL-2 1946. Where can an American as myself purchase this lovely game?

I'd reccomend looking at my first post in the thread, first page.  That link will take you to a pre-order.  Order it from there, you get it on March 31st.  Order it on steam, and you won't get it until April 19th....
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 30-03-2011, 00:03:12
The European release is on the 31st. The American release is on April 19th.

They claim it's for ESRB reasons but they really should've done this ahead of time.


I've heard reports that if you're an Aussie and you buy a physical copy from EBgames you can activate it right now.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: FatJoe on 30-03-2011, 10:03:14
I've heard reports that if you're an Aussie and you buy a physical copy from EBgames you can activate it right now.

Friend of mine in OZ did just that. It installs to steam but then reports that it will unlock on the 1st of April. :/
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 30-03-2011, 21:03:40
EEEEEEEEE!!!!!  Its coming out tomorrowwwwwww ^.=.^!!!!!
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: SUTTO on 31-03-2011, 07:03:33
Just checked my steam then (Aussie) and apparently the release date has changed from the 1st April to the 31st march so now I'm downloading it. Awesome! Good to have a good surprise after a day at work. 
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 31-03-2011, 18:03:19
EEEEEEEEE!!!!!  Its coming out tomorrowwwwwww ^.=.^!!!!!
I can see on Steam that you're playing it! Is it good?! Are all the bugs/problems real or just a scare? Is it worth buying?  ;D
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 31-03-2011, 19:03:18
Im in class right now, and ill type out a review wheni get back to my apt in an hour, plus screenshots.  However, i will leave you with this message:

DO NOT BUY THIS GAME.  IT IS COMPLETLY BROKEN.  I MEAN COMPLETLY UNPLAYABLE KIND OF BROKEN.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: LuckyOne on 31-03-2011, 20:03:14
DO NOT BUY THIS GAME.  IT IS COMPLETLY BROKEN.  I MEAN COMPLETLY UNPLAYABLE KIND OF BROKEN.

But they will fix it, right? Some day...
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 31-03-2011, 20:03:58
after 3 hours of playing it:
FUCKING GREAT GAME. Hell! It´s extreme realistic! Just what il2 fans wanted. Not mainstream. If you do anything wrong with your prop-pitch our your mixture you can fuck up your engine in seconds! The damage model is great also! You can see EVERY single bullet hole. The flying physics didnt change form the old il2. They were top-notch anyway! Just one bad thing: Performance. After experimenting with the graphic settings, its getting better, but its still unplayable. Will be fixed within weeks if you look at previous oleg maddox games, but it´s still a shame.
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/launcher2011-03-3114-2qljz.png) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=launcher2011-03-3114-2qljz.png)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 31-03-2011, 20:03:18
(http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/3574/23338387.jpg)

Good.  Fucking.  God.  This is MEDIUM SETTINGS.

I have no idea what you're playing Bang0o....
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 31-03-2011, 20:03:07
(http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/3574/23338387.jpg)

Good.  Fucking.  God.  This is MEDIUM SETTINGS.

I have no idea what you're playing Bang0o....
looks like your game doesnt load any textures? reinstall it? what gaphic card you got?
this is how medium settings look for me:
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/launcher2011-03-3114-0lbe8.png) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=launcher2011-03-3114-0lbe8.png)

btw my pc specs:
(i can run on medium mostyl smooth with microlags)
intel core 2quad 2,8ghz
4gb ddr2
ati hd4890
win7 64bit
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tuco on 31-03-2011, 20:03:35
Well il2 came out in 01 and is still being patched so this one will probably be fixed soon.. hold out on buying it till then tho.  :P


(http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/3574/23338387.jpg)

Good.  Fucking.  God.  This is MEDIUM SETTINGS.

I have no idea what you're playing Bang0o....

Reminds me of CFS1..
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 31-03-2011, 20:03:44
(http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/3574/23338387.jpg)

Good.  Fucking.  God.  This is MEDIUM SETTINGS.

I have no idea what you're playing Bang0o....
looks like your game doesnt load any textures? reinstall it? what gaphic card you got?
this is how medium settings look for me:
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/launcher2011-03-3114-0lbe8.png) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=launcher2011-03-3114-0lbe8.png)

btw my pc specs:
(i can run on medium mostyl smooth with microlags)
intel core 2quad 2,8ghz
4gb ddr2
ati hd4890
win7 64bit


I don't know!  I have a computer that can run Shogun 2 on all extreme high settings perfectly fine.  From what I'm hearing this might be related to SLI, and the devs said to 'turn sli off" but there is no option to turn it off!  I can BARELY get my joystick to function, and even then its buggy as all hell, I can't fire anything with my joystick, only fly, and I can't use the mouse to look anywhere, it just pops up an annoying as all hell mouse cursor that just clicks on shit. The hat button only lets me look around the immediete front, I cannot turn my head more than 15 degrees in any direction apparently.  Half the other controls do nothing, none of the turret controls seem to work, etc etc etc.  The graphics load in EXTREMELY slowly, starting as everything being a blob, then moving to pre-IL-2 era graphics.  Meanwhile, the preformance is incredibly choppy.

And yes, I DO have the epilectic thing turned off, that is NOT what's causing this.

My glorious He111:

(http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/5908/60642739.jpg)

Also, menu music is intermetent, mostly it doesn't work until I click over to other menus, then return to the main menu, THEN it'll work
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 31-03-2011, 20:03:23
Ouch.

I'm glad I ordered Portal 2 instead of this now! Still, I'll buy it once it's been patched and made more universally playable.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [11PzG]matyast on 31-03-2011, 23:03:33
My HD3870 will cry...

After 6 years of development, I really hope this will be worth the money. I have heard such mixed reviews. Some praise, some hate...and I am getting the feeling the game seems to be genuinely broken :(
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: FatJoe on 01-04-2011, 00:04:55
hmm
Then I'll hold off with buying it until I get my new GFX card..
I think the rest of my Computer ought to run it like silk on satin.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Thorondor123 on 01-04-2011, 00:04:27
Are you sure? 12 gigs of RAM is quite on the low side.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 01-04-2011, 00:04:00
OK  I have good and bad news.  Good news is, wooden block planes are gone.  I uninstalled and deleted the files, then redownloaded from Steam (since I activated through the gamersgate download, its still activated on my steam account, wewt!).  The redownload seems to have fixed the major graphical errors, and it now runs ok on medium.  However there are still major graphical problems, such as things in one area looking great, and then a few millimeters to the right, some piece of window frame looks like its from Half Life 1.  Loading seems faster, and the lag is LESS, but it is still enough to make it unplayable.  It took multiple passes while flying a Me110 to knock down 6 wellington bombers, while on invulnerable and not trying at all to evade, just to fly through and knock them down.  normally, this should take two or so passes, however I found it impossible to draw a bead.  As I closed in and commenced firing, the lag would spike, and I'd find all my tracers flying into empty air.

Sound is still utter crap, and the controls are still not working right.  Things don't open the way they should, the mouse still just shows up as a cursor, and I can't get the turret guns to work with the mouse.  They either seem to work with arrow keys on the keyboard that require either fervent tapping for slow movement, or holding it down for a slight jump, followed by finding yourself pointing the opposite direction in an instant; OR with the joystick, which is next to impossible to aim with, and which still seems to require you to use the mouse to fire, meaning you have to use your other hand to do the joystick, making it even MORE difficult.

Other controls just don't seem to function.  The "O" key is mapped to open the canopy.  And it does.  But then it doesn't close the canopy.  What I found was that "crtl C" was to "open the turret".  Ok, so I press that.  It snaps me back to the pilots chair....  I press it again, it snaps me back to the gunners seat, and closes the canopy.  I press O whilst flying the me110.  it opens the pilots canopy.  This time, I do the crtl C.  It snaps to the rear gunner.  I press it again, it snaps to the pilot, BUT only closes the side canopy.  The top part that fold up and over the back of the plane is still wide open, and no key stroke I could find could close it.

All in all, I give it a 2 out of 5 currently.  This game is in need of MAJOR overhaul.  In its current state, it is unplayable, unless you wanna be jumping all over the screen, have constant graphical glitches, and find out that half your key binds don't do anything, and the other half don't work at all.

Oh, and remember the nice map in IL-2, the one that was made to look like a good pilots map, that automatically opened to where your plane was, and that zoomed with just a few click?  Yeah, now its a windows 95 window that doesn't snap to your plane, doesn't move with your plane, and zooming is through tedious mouse wheel scrolling.

Edit:  Just ran through the first training flight, just a basic fly in a square kinda thing.  Laggy like mad, but it IS possible to fly, just no maneuvers.  however, at the end, the co-pilot trainer guy says "Ok, I'll take over and land."  He proceeded to dive quickly, come into a field, crash land, and end up looking like this.

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9714/shot20110331143124.jpg)

It would have been worse, were it not for me having every realism setting except clouds switched off....

Oh, and yes, that is what the ground looks like....
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 01-04-2011, 18:04:23
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20055

Ok, so it looks like the devs are working feverishly to get things fixed.  Hopefully soon enough we'll see a major jump in FPS, at least to where it becomes somewhat playable.  I am def thinking of making an account on their forums though and making a post about the controls/mouse, I don't think that's been brought to the attention of the devs....
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [ret]azreal on 01-04-2011, 19:04:09
Do it Mudra! In hopes that when I buy this when I get home from college in 4 weeks it'll be fixed up and playable. ;)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 02-04-2011, 04:04:34
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20055
I think that post pretty much sums up the brilliance of the Il-2 guys. They're readily admitting there's bugs, they're addressing them asap, and, not only that, but when they release the patch it will also have new multiplayer maps and two new Bf109 variants - and all for free!
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 02-04-2011, 05:04:48
Ok, so I played through the first 4 missions for the brits.  I was only ever able to shoot anything down by holding down the trigger and spraying aimlessly on unlimited ammo until something hit, due to the massive lag that I suffered from any kind of engagement.  That said, the game shows TONS of potential, and if the lag can get fixed, it'll be over 9000 times better.  The graphics, when they do work, they are amazing, and the missions are very nice, with a very nice storyline for the british campaign.  Also, the 4th mission, with the Me110 formation that surprises your squadron and procedes to chew through your planes like butter, wow <3  They got the Me110 right, with them constantly diving and climbing for their attacks, and turning into the hurries for frontal attacks, which they easily won.  We knocked down 2 of theirs, of which both kills were mine (again, holding down the trigger and hosing, something I wouldn't have been able to do with limited ammo), while they wiped out 8 of our own planes.  The after mission briefing made my heart flutter for its words on the Me110 <3

Quote
    "Heck of a fighter, that 110.  Remember when they told us a twin-engine plane with a rear gunner would be slow and clumsy?"

    "They must have been trying to justify the Defiant"

    "You know, I begin to eny the Luftwaffe. They've got the 110 and we've got the Defiant.  They've got the 109, and we've got the Hurricane"

    "The hurricane's a good crate though!"

    "No offense, but we were totally outmatched against the 110"

    "I know, good guns on them too.  When a 110 started firing at me, I thought it was Christmas!  Did you see Gout get hit?  His plane just disintegrated!"

    We both grew silent.  Picket slapped me on the back and said "Well, I'm glad we're both still here.  Can't get any worse than this, which means it only gets better!"

    I really wished I could feel the same way

Mmmmm, 110 <3

Also, I found something interesting on an IL-2 forum whilst milling around for any more info on fixes.  It is a statistical comparison of kills to shootdowns of Hurricanes, Spitfires, Me109s, and Me110s, during the battle of Britain:

    July-October 1940
    Spitfire 550 victories to 329 losses – a ratio of 1.7:1
    Hurricane 750 victories to 603 losses – a ratio of 1.2:1
    Bf 109 780 victories to 534 losses – a ratio of 1.5:1
    Bf 110 340 victories to 196 losses – a ratio of 1.7:1

Also consider that the germans were inordinately encountering fighters, while the british were usually engaging bombers and fighters, and there was maybe 1 Me110 in theater for every 4-5 Bf109s.  I love you 110 <3
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 02-04-2011, 16:04:15
there are some small fixes for the il2 config.ini:
http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7871043264/m/7631047819
important is:
[BOB]
AntiEpilepcy=0
EpilepsyFilter=0

and
[rts]
tickLen=30
ProcessAffinityMask=15

depends on your cpu:
2 cores - 3
3 core - 7
4 cores - 15
6 cores - 63
8 cores - 255

 its worth trying, since it helped my framerate a bit. (turn steam cloud and write-lock the config, so it doesnt get overwritten)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 03-04-2011, 11:04:53
I just tried an "extended demo" (don't ask me anything about it) of the EU version and I gotta say, it runs great on my computer. There are definitely some problems, like slowdown when a bf110 goes full spray on a nearby bomber, but I was actually quite shocked at just how well it ran on my computer. I was able to bump some graphics to high (models, effects, decals etc) with the rest on medium and it still runs fine with 15+ aircraft. Granted, I consider my computer high tier, but it's not quite as high-tier as some of the people that get bad FPS. I have no idea why they are getting 1fps with one plane, because I'm sure not.

 My main complaint right now is the quick mission menus, they're vastly inferior to the original il2 menus, and I have yet to find out how to get custom loadouts in singleplayer (I need my rainbow tracer spam).

From what I have seen this can all be fixed with patches, and I am definitely buying this when it comes out in America.

Don't cancel your orders yet folks, there's great potential in this.

Edit: Here's some shots I took. Shadows are on medium, and I'm not quite sure what the grounds set on (either low or medium), but it doesn't look too good in the AA shot. I wanted to get some nice shots of the FW-200s (my favorite German bomber), but the camera was ornery and I couldn't get it to move how I wanted.

Huge PNGs ahoy, right click and hit view image to see full size:
(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/3738/fws.png)
(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/259/25719954.png)
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8945/aalow.png)
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3781/1101x.png)
(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9573/1102x.png)
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7002/1103.png)
(http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/843/1104.png)
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/905/1105d.png)
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9019/1106e.png)
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5781/1107x.png)
(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5763/1108f.png)
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4716/1109.png)
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1272/11010.png)
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4678/11011.png)
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6043/11012.png)
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2116/11013.png)

Wish there was spoiler tags on this forum. Sorry about the huge images guys.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 04-04-2011, 01:04:46
I played it for a couple hours and kept coming across some glaring problems which lowered my opinion of the game a little bit. Still going to buy it, but some of these are pretty annoying and seem like something -any- betatester would've found on the first day.

1: No matter how good you are, no matter how many planes you shoot down, and no matter how perfectly you follow the waypoints and mission objectives, you will fail every single campaign mission. The campaign missions also don't track your kills or give you medals or anything else like the il2 campaigns. It was kind of annoying because on the first mission I shot down 3 do17s, and two stukas on the next mission (pretty good considering I'm a piss-poor fighter pilot), yet there was no recognition of my ace status, and the mission briefings still had my character as the "sheepish naive newbie that can't do anything right and has no friends".

2: All variants of the BF-109 have the rear elevators set up 5 degrees. This means that you will always be fighting against that, and the second you let go of your stick your 109 will shoot up into the sky. I hope this gets fixed soon as it is a huge problem and I have no idea how it got past any testers.

3: Quick missions, etc. The menus are a mess and are inferior in every way to the original il2 mission menus. Custom loadouts, etc are impossible to use in single player.

4: There is definitely slowdown over cities. Slow, but still mostly playable. Still managed to shoot down a hurricane while I was flying a stuka over a city.

5: Some planes feel really hyperactively twitchy, but this might just be me and my ancient cheapo attack 3 joystick (doesn't even have twist grr). I was flying the spitfire in one mission and I could barely get a bead on anything because the second I touched my joystick it would fly way past where I wanted to adjust. Hurricane handles alright for me, bf110 handles great, and I love the way bombers handle, which is good because I'm actually a good bomber pilot (but not a bombardier ;D)!

Multiplayer is definitely going to be the main attraction for this game.

Overall, it's still fun, but it needs a little work.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Laffey on 04-04-2011, 23:04:35
If bombadiering is the same as IL2 1946 ill be so happy. I can literally put a bomb in a Pickel barrel there however if IL2 CoD includes wind I obviously cant
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: General_Henry on 05-04-2011, 00:04:25
Phoney war, Battle of France, Overlord and bombing the Reich are possible expansions IMO.

Imagine it.. Flying CAS with Typhoons, destroying Tigers and Panthers and other stuff.. Or the Legend of Y-29 AKA Operation Bodenplatte, or fighting the ME-262 in your Mustang.

Airwar in the pacific is unloved...

Personally I never know how do I fly those carrier planes properly in iL2 1946 - takeoff and landing is no problem though.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Kelmola on 05-04-2011, 09:04:19
Airwar in the pacific is unloved...

Personally I never know how do I fly those carrier planes properly in iL2 1946 - takeoff and landing is no problem though.
IL2 flight model is good, but still basically flawed. The original IL-2 and its sequel IL-2 Forgotten Battles (upon which the series up to 1946 is built) were most concerned in modeling low-altitude turning fights and ground attack runs. However, especially the American fighters were optimized for high-altitude performance and zoom'n'boom attacks. And this is bad news since the flight model IMHO breaks down above ~4 km, making high-altitude combat unrealistic and degrading the performance of planes with powerful engines but little manoeuverability. I won't even begin that some of the planes are "interestingly" modelled - FW190 should be a dogfighting monster but making a controlled turn in one is challenging enough, I-153 is some sort of WTFPWN superfighter, Fokker D.XXI cannot perform even basic aerobatics, etc.

In addition, at least way back when I actively browsed the IL-2 forums, Oleg & co. preferred "neutral" reports about plane performance, ie. test flights of captured planes instead of factory test flights or combat accounts by the pilots regarding their own planes. Whether the captured planes were ever test-flown at the limits of their performance, or whether the test pilots knew how to get the most out of them (unlike pilots who had trained in them), or whether the damage was sufficiently repaired in order not to hamper performance is anyone's guess. Also, considering many Allied engines required 130-octane fuel in order to run at full power, and that late in the war the Germans did not have any, well...
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 06-04-2011, 02:04:21
Managed to crank up my graphics to maximum, with only building detail being on medium, and forgetting about anti-aliasing. Seemed to perform about the same, which seemed playable enough on the online maps with a ton of bombers and hurricanes.

Here's another obnoxiously huge batch of pngs right click and hit view image to see fullsize:
 
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7121/shot20110403024111.png)
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9940/shot2p.png)
(http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/1600/shot3.png)
(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/391/shot4.png)
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2016/shot5l.png)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6223/shot6u.png)
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3100/shot7.png)

(imageshack removed this one for whatever reason):
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7417/shot8f.png)
(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/4692/shot10.png)
(http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/2186/shot11.png)
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7971/shot12.png)
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3115/shot13.png)
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2481/shot14.png)
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1796/shot15.png)
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5970/shot16.png)
(http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/9215/shot17b.png)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8257/shot18.png)
 
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: G.Drew on 06-04-2011, 04:04:27
Right, lupin and chance you could put [img width=780] on those?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 06-04-2011, 04:04:36
YES!  Patch officially released on steam this coming Friday! :D
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 06-04-2011, 10:04:56
Right, lupin and chance you could put [img width=780] on those?

I'll try it now. Can't say im familiar with that code.

Edit: It works. Thanks for the code.


Anyhow, are there any screenshots that anyone wants to see in particular? Like a certain plane or a large bomber formation? I'll switch on AA tonight and see about temporarily disabling the HUD stuff.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: DLFReporter on 06-04-2011, 10:04:30
Where are those Islands with the huge hills at? Doesn't look like anything I know around Britain. :)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 06-04-2011, 12:04:08
Where are those Islands with the huge hills at? Doesn't look like anything I know around Britain. :)

Ha ha yeah, pretty much every multiplayer map has those goofy gigantic hills on them. The ai has a hard time navigating around them too. I've seen whole formations of bombers just plow into them one by one without even trying to climb away.

Thankfully some more realistic maps are on the way.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 06-04-2011, 18:04:40
Does the game have working searchlights like Forgotten Battles did?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [ret]azreal on 06-04-2011, 18:04:39
Is there a list of flyable planes in CoD:IL-2 I can view?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Thorondor123 on 06-04-2011, 19:04:31
Is there a list of flyable planes in CoD:IL-2 I can view?
In the first post.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 06-04-2011, 23:04:39
Oh how confused i am always when i see in this thread CoD:IL-2 .... Jeez....



Seems like a phun game might as well "get" it.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 07-04-2011, 02:04:15
Does the game have working searchlights like Forgotten Battles did?

I'm not quite sure. I placed some searchlights in the FMB and made it night time, but none of them lit up the enemy planes. Maybe there's some special trigger for them or something.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 07-04-2011, 23:04:16
<sigh>

Beta patch got released, and is an utter failure.  Almost every person, myself included, notes that it did literally nothing, and in some cases, even made the game worse....
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: sn00x on 07-04-2011, 23:04:51
atleast they are trying mudra, you go make a game and see how hard it is yourself.. stop being so god damn selfish..
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 07-04-2011, 23:04:37
If I went and made a game, the first thing I would do is not release it when it is completly and utterly broken, unplayable, and could take months to fix, by which time most first-time players will be utterly exasperated with it.  Do you think the devs would have released FH2 if it was a stuttering lagfest for 90% of the people who downloaded it?

And how am I being selfish?  How is anyone who paid hard cash for a working game after paitiently waiting for 6 long years, playing and replaying the previous game loyally, SELFISH for wanting that game they waited for and supported for years and years to be PLAYABLE.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [ret]azreal on 07-04-2011, 23:04:12
Yes, I must agree with Mudra here Snoox. If you buy a game, you expect it to be fleshed out as much as possible.

I mean, your a tester Snoox, you know how much testing we do of each map, and how much bug checking we do when we start with the release clients. If what Mudra is saying is accurate (and I believe it is) then these faults are unforgivable.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Fuchs on 08-04-2011, 00:04:20
Oh come on Mudra, you make it sound like 50,000 people died because the game is not working properly. Everyone moaned and bitched about Empire too and everyone played it too, I still don't get that as I loved that game from the start. Flaws? Absolutely. Unplayable? Impossible.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 08-04-2011, 00:04:44
I loved Empire too.  And flawed?  Do you own it?  Have you gone and looked at the 1C forums?

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=189

Have a nice time browsing.  There's about 5-7 threads saying it runs, and dozens and dozens, with lots and lots of posts backing it up, saying it doesn't work, and its the same for the patch, which apparently has, if anything, made the game more unstable.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: sn00x on 08-04-2011, 01:04:02
noone forced you to buy the game or be such a fan :P now stfu and be happy they made it at all  :)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 08-04-2011, 02:04:29
noone forced you to buy the game or be such a fan :P now stfu and be happy they made it at all  :)

No one forced me to buy the game, but no one forces you to buy a car that you expect to be amazing, but ends up being a lemon.  You would be pissed too.  Your excuse of "be happy they made it at all" is like saying, after ordering a ferrari, and getting a Yugo "OH, well at least I got a car!"
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 08-04-2011, 02:04:53
Wow I'm amazed at how many people here are totally ignorant of the fact that this game basically DOES NOT WORK. It's not like Mudra is complaining about little flaws here and there that make the game less fun to play or even major bugs that need to be fixed.

We're talking about a full blown botched release of a game that isn't even in beta stages yet, or is at least in early beta. I'm a very patient person, and I would be very very frustrated if I had paid 50 dollars for a CD-shaped drink coaster, because that is essentially what Cliffs of Dover is for most people who bought it.

Mudra is 100% right -- just read the forums and you get a sense of how widespread the problems are. It's not just performance issues: it's everything from half the controls not working to entire texture sets missing. When I buy a game, I expect it to work in some fashion, but most people are complaining RIGHTFULLY that they can't run the game, regardless of what they do.

And now this beta patch comes out and introduces more problems. Now alot of people can't even start up the game ... this whole thing is a huge mess. It's too bad, because I was really looking forward to it. I'm not putting my money anywhere near this until it shows drastic signs of improvement. In the mean time, stop hating on Mudra -- he's a rightfully angry customer.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Lupin on 08-04-2011, 02:04:59
Even though my copy runs fairly well, I have to say you guys are still 100% correct.

There are many problems with the game that aren't directly related to performance. Some of which should've been instantly found in any testing session. I mean, the bf109s elevator is constantly up 5*, causing it to constantly climb. How could they miss that?

It's a fun game, but man, we really need a super-patch.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: im_a_lazy_sod on 08-04-2011, 05:04:50
Haven't tried it yet - the reviews i've seen have put doubts over COD for me

back to wings of prey for me  8)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 08-04-2011, 21:04:57
Official patch is out.  Much better preformance over water as a lone aircraft, almost no problems at all.  Flying with a simple wing of 6 planes v 6 planes, its still very laggy, but not as much.  Still next to impossible to line up a target properly though.

Over land, it is still a stuttery mess, but less so, so that's an improvement I guess.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [ret]azreal on 08-04-2011, 22:04:02
Does this have WinXP support btw?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 08-04-2011, 23:04:31
new patch improves the fps a lot. but there is still that very annoying  micro lag

here is a screenshot:
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594682414733470688/13733307FEF8ECEA230015D5CBE22DFB91551070/
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: DLFReporter on 09-04-2011, 09:04:43
...
here is a screenshot:
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594682414733470688/13733307FEF8ECEA230015D5CBE22DFB91551070/

That looks terrible. ^^
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Torenico on 09-04-2011, 10:04:23
^ Really, if you tell me that is Forgotten Battles, i would believe it. ^^
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 09-04-2011, 10:04:24
...
here is a screenshot:
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594682414733470688/13733307FEF8ECEA230015D5CBE22DFB91551070/

That looks terrible. ^^
if they make the mirco lag go away i maybe can set graphics from low to medium, so it will look better. my pc is 3 years old so i cannot run it on good gaphics yet.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Van der Fragk on 22-04-2011, 21:04:02
can anyone help me? i have logitech attack 3 joystick and the game doesn't recognize the X and Y move? the other buttons are ok. the joystick works fine with IL2 Sturmovik 1946 ??? ???
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 28-04-2011, 10:04:27
I've been noticing on Steam that the game has had a few patches - how's it running now? Are they making a (positive) difference?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 28-04-2011, 11:04:48
I've been noticing on Steam that the game has had a few patches - how's it running now? Are they making a (positive) difference?
yes. game runs smooth now over the channel. over the countryside or even london still lagging.

can anyone help me? i have logitech attack 3 joystick and the game doesn't recognize the X and Y move? the other buttons are ok. the joystick works fine with IL2 Sturmovik 1946 ??? ???
i got the same joystick and its working all fine. dunno what you can do to fix it.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [ret]azreal on 16-05-2011, 19:05:27
bump! any improvements on the lag problems yet for those who have this?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 16-05-2011, 20:05:49
The beta patches have helped, but apparently the dev team has hit a stall on being able to make the game full screen.


That's right, the game is currently not full screen, it just is a stretched window....  ANd I guess they're having issues doing that....

There's supposed to be a new patch this week or so, we'll see if it happens.  Currently, the game is pretty playable now, but the SP campaign is shit, and the AI is a joke, half the time not doing anything, and the other half the time doing maneuvers that are beyond the realms of physics.  Also, rear gunning is still not in any way fixed.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Bang0o on 17-05-2011, 00:05:50
i still have much pleasure and fun with just starting engines, heating them up, taking off and just flying around in all those diffrent planes. i have to say all that is well done and very realistic. complex engine management for the win!
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 21-05-2011, 21:05:45
Anyone tried the latest patch yet? I read through the changelog on Steam and it sounded like it should fix several major bugs.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 27-05-2011, 20:05:56
Bump?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 27-05-2011, 20:05:14
Anyone tried the latest patch yet? I read through the changelog on Steam and it sounded like it should fix several major bugs.

Still pretty buggy.  Rear gunning simply has not been addressed, lag is still present, and the SP just sucks completly.  AI is still capable of impossible manuveres, and planes still have flight model issues.  For instance, the Blenheim AI reacts to an attack by flopping around with the agility of a spitfire, and is faster than any fighter plane in the game.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [ret]azreal on 22-11-2011, 04:11:20
Super bump!

Anyone still playing this? A friend of mine has asked me to recommend a WWII flight sim. I wan to suggest IL-2:CoD but I'm not sure if all the bugs/lag issues got fixed.

EDIT: yay 1,500 posts!
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 22-11-2011, 08:11:23
It has not been fixed at all.  The devs just updated on friday saying they were getting ready to alpha test the flight model |:
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Zoologic on 22-11-2011, 10:11:33
The best WW2 combat flight sim available right now is Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 with mods like HSFX and alike.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: [ret]azreal on 22-11-2011, 16:11:19
The best WW2 combat flight sim available right now is Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 with mods like HSFX and alike.

I know, but the guy I'm suggesting to will just be playing the vanilla game, no mods or anything, and I think his hardware is kinda old so I might have to just suggest IL-2 1946.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: th_battleaxe on 23-11-2011, 14:11:55
that's the best choice in his case
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 23-11-2011, 19:11:31
IL-2 1946 is still the best combat sim I know about.
I do play it even now from time to time ;D
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Mr_Cheese on 23-11-2011, 20:11:15
I just bought Il-2 CoD in a fit of curiosity/giving into nagging temptation. It's perfectly playable for me though the menus etc are so clunky and there seem to be so many options missing when compared to Il-2 1946. e.g. I try a simple Hurricane vs 109 dogfight quick mission - I can customise my Hurricane completely but can't touch the other plane (you could customise all the involved planes in 1946) then the 109 spawns with Italian markings... There are some glaring errors too - in the campaign the 1st mission briefing tells me I'm taking off to intercept some Stukas attacking a convoy, the game loads and I'm facing a flight of Dorniers that are bombing the end of my runway, I thought "great - some unexpected twists to the mission script", took off shot a couple down and then got debriefed saying congrats on killing those Stukas... The next mission was the mirror image - "emergency scramble to defend from attacking Dorniers", actually going to intercept some Stukas...
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: siben on 22-05-2012, 19:05:17
This game was for sale on steam last weekend so i decided to buy it and see what it would be like.
I discovered rather quickly that i need a joystick though. What are good mid price range Joysticks these days?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: LHeureux on 22-05-2012, 22:05:22
Is the game still a pile of bugs and glitches?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: siben on 22-05-2012, 22:05:51
In the hour i played it seemed ok, had an FPS drop once and it seems like you need a monster of a machine to play this on high.

Last new update for a big patch seems to be dated 17 okt 2011. Maybe they fixed it.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 23-05-2012, 02:05:21
Bugs and glitches have been ironed out, but the game still completely lacks any noteworthy campaigns as IL2 originally had (COD only have 2 10-12 mission scripted campaigns).  Basically, it has become a completely multilayer game...and that's not my cup of tea, or many other people's.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tim270 on 23-05-2012, 05:05:02
MP also is still buggy at this point. Pretty broken UI and AI planes disappearing when you get close to them.

I honestly feel like it is going to be a few years before this gets close to having a large online community .
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 23-05-2012, 05:05:04
And meanwhile, their single player community is non-existent, and that was the backbone of the IL-2 series.  Meanwhile, their dev team is all dicking around with doing Ostfront again....


It is really sad to see this franchise die with this.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tuco on 23-05-2012, 06:05:00
IL2 1946 is still alive and strong, 4.11.1 patch was just released and UP3.0 adds a shit ton of new content. The new cockpits rival anything ive seen in a simulator yet (i know COD wins in that category) but yea... I only ever play quick missions and there to much to choose from...
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 23-05-2012, 06:05:30
The thing is, COD was supposed to be the big replacement for IL2 1946.  The thing that would slowly push it aside and gain ascendency, like FH2 over FH1.  Instead, it's fizzled completely.  IL-2 1946 is a far far superior game to COD, which angers me greatly, considering the years of work they spent on COD and the 60 bucks I spent on it
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Zoologic on 23-05-2012, 06:05:52
Il-2 1946 offers tons of things to fly with and play with... you can toy around with B-17 with FW-190s or shoot down marauding Stukas with MiGs/Yaks/Mustangs/Lavochkins/Jugs/Spits... whatever. The replay-ability is tremendous in this game.

Even I still can't decide whether to stick with HSFX (with tons of British and American planes variants) or Ultrapack (which has moar variety of planes).

It is realistic enough to satisfy your geek side, easy to learn to jump right into quick action, still supported with regular patches, highly tuneable to still look sleek in 2012 gaming world and still light enough to run on budget computer. What's not to like?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tuco on 23-05-2012, 06:05:17
Im not going to completely give up hope on COD.. i know the first build of IL2 was rather meh itself but after time it polished out and im hoping the same for its successor.. But until then im sticking with 1946. 

Also Ultrapack 3.0 is amazing, when im bored and just looking for lol's there's nothing like loading Aim9's on the F86 and roflstomping.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Zoologic on 23-05-2012, 09:05:24
The first Il-2 was eastern front only. But that's good enough IIRC.

What they offer now is mostly variety and a slightly perfect balance between realism and gaming experience. With mods, you'll just get MOAR of it.

COD, IMHO, already has the perfect platform. They just need more content and variety (especially that quick battle mode, which is awesome). Multiplaying is okay, but too much of it is also meh...
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tuco on 23-05-2012, 10:05:06
Exactly, and if it had quick battle mode id probably already own it. Last thing i want is some dumb scripted campaign.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: siben on 23-05-2012, 18:05:50
It has 24 Quick battle missions, of witch 5 are free flight, some bomber missions, some dogfights, with even and uneven chances. Some attacks on bomber formations etc.

My question stays the same, what is a good joystick?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tuco on 23-05-2012, 22:05:27
I've had a Saitek ST290 for years, cheap and works well.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Zoologic on 24-05-2012, 05:05:05
Yes, Saitek ST290 is pretty good beginner joystick. It has most features you need, including numerous programmable buttons costs you around $40. Saitek is well-known amongst flight sim enthusiasts for having realistic feeling of the control movements, especially the throttle.

Alternatively you can try Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick that costs you around $30. This joystick has twist function to control rudder, so you can sway your aim to give better chance of hitting your target. Perfect for non-dedicated Flight simmers.

What we mean by "Quick battle" is an instant mission creator, where you only have to choose your map, your plane (and your flight, how many) and your enemy planes (how many planes, how many squads/flights) then vroooom! Just fly

In Il-2 you'll be at 2,000 m on default (you can customise this as well), about 10 km from the enemy head-to-head by default (you can also customise this) and at the same level also by default (customisable as well). The enemy can have AAA or ground support or ground targets (also customiseable).

That's quick battle.

What you mean is probably single mission, in single mission, your plane is pre-selected, the area is pre-selected, and it has specific objectives (e.g. free flight/roam around, CAP, CAS, bombing, nuisance raid, etc).
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tuco on 24-05-2012, 06:05:20
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24281
Not bad for a 10 year old engine.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tim270 on 24-05-2012, 14:05:50
Imo it is not the lack of quick battles etc, the game just feels like a alpha.

AI is pretty broken.
Sounds are still all over the place, better than they were but all the volumes are fudged.
Performance is all around bad near large groups of buildings.
The UI is very clunky and broken in a lot of places.

I mean sure, if you load it up you can jump into a mission and fly around, it does work, but it has no polish that it just is not fun at all.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Torenico on 25-05-2012, 00:05:24
Does it have a Full Mission Builder like in IL2 1946?
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 25-05-2012, 05:05:25
Agreed with Tim....

And dude, you really don't need a quality joystick.  My joystick is an ancient microsoft sidewinder that dates to like 1996/98 or so.  It works perfectly.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Zoologic on 25-05-2012, 11:05:09
Mine is also Microsoft Sidewinder 1, back from 1998. The front trigger is already broken, so I have to press space for MG, and replace button 2 for main MG and 3 for cannon shots.

Torenico:
Not necessarily full mission builder, just quick battle creator. Full mission builder specifies scenario and event triggers. In quick battle, all happens quickly, just select plane, loadouts, enemy, situation, and done, everything is instantly created for you... FLY and SHOOT! Try Il-2 1946.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Zoologic on 28-05-2012, 05:05:32
Tried both UP3.0 and HSFX5.0

I have to say that I'll stick to HSFX, although they don't have the highly needed Lancaster bomber. UP3.0 is fun though, loved that Sidewinder and K-13 missile they created. (thanks Tuco for the tip).

My sickest fantasy in Il-2 is to pit bomber vs bomber battle, which mostly won by US bombers (due to ridiculous amount of 12.7 Machine Guns attached to them and adequate armouring). You can almost surgically decapitate enemy's plane in this kind of battle. My favorite: first: remove the rudder, than kill one of its engine. The plane then began to bank without proper direction and crashed after making downward spiral without any crew attempting to bail.

I get LOLs everytime some idiots in Light bombers tried to breakaway from broadside fighting and opted to nosegunning Japanese Betty bombers, not realizing twin 20 mm cannons sitting there right in the tail. Once fired, the pilots will die instantly and the plane begin nosediving.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: IrishReloaded on 21-09-2012, 15:09:29
its 9,99€ on steam.
is this game still played?
is it worth it?
playable?=
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: VonMudra on 21-09-2012, 16:09:01
As far as I know, it has been fixed up to run with hardcore realism multiplayer, but that's it.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tuco on 28-09-2012, 08:09:36
Just bought it and played around with it abit. Any settings worth lowering that gives a little extra performance without completely blitizing the graphics? I turned off shadows and grass, so far thats helped alot but still getting some micro stutters.
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: Tuco on 29-09-2012, 06:09:54
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=34617

New patch is out, Su26 is fun. Also apperently it fires laz0rs dont ask me... ::)
Title: Re: Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
Post by: titsmcgee852 on 25-10-2013, 06:10:14
Would it be smarter to buy this on Steam or on disc? Inb4 it would be smarter not to buy it at all. Cheers.