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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: azreal on 12-10-2010, 19:10:34
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A bit of delay regarding today's update, but nonetheless, here it is today. Enjoy!
"Big Game Hunting"
Coming at 18:00 GMT or 2pm EST.
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?lang=english
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first post ;D
It's a great day today, an other update and medal of honor release :P
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Finally.
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Blatently moving game engines ;D
(http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/5/929575_69508_front.jpg)
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Blatently moving game engines ;D
(http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/5/929575_69508_front.jpg)
Awesome :D
I will follow Forgotten everywhere it will go :)
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sounds like a tank destroyer....
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I like the count down timer :P
PS. I hope its the jagdtiger :D
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Big Game you say? Perhaps jagdtiger/panther or maybe even Nashorn or Elefant.
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Ferdinands hunting T-34s in Kursk. 8)
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Ferdinands hunting T-34s in Kursk. 8)
SU152 hunting Ferdinands in kursk ;D
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I say Jagdpanzer.
Would probably be easier to place on future maps than the Jagdpanther.
Anyways yay, new update.
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big game hunting
DRILLINGS AS SPAWNABLE WEAPON? ;D ;D
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It could also be some new planes. Are there any named after some big birds?
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My guess=M36,Jagdpanther/panzer/hetzer/nashorn
hopefully nashorn
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Big Game = Grizzly = Brummbär?
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Is this update supposed to be the "even bigger surprise" that should´ve arrived last week?
Fingers crossed for new front.
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Is this it ?
(http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt172/nagadoces/600px-Tremors4034.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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1 minute!
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THE JUMBO?
AND THE JAGDPANTHER?
oooh MY TIKKY TIKKER
(http://www.alloallo.yoyo.pl/img/20_mr_alphonse.jpg)
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Nice Mumbo jumbo :)
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Nice Mumbo jumbo :)
awww that would have been such a good update title...!
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What does Jumbo have to do with big game?
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"The majority saw action during the Battle of the Bulge or on the Eastern Front."
Oh my god!Oh my god!Oh my god!Oh my god!Oh my god!Oh my god!
Hell yeah, Jagdpanther! Next to the Hetzer my favourite German TD! ;D
Jumbo is great, too. Widowmaker! Nice!
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>winter camo jagdpanther
Man, I don't know what to say.
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What does Jumbo have to do with big game?
Jumbo was a giant elephant.
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Finnaly the jagdpanther
Now up to the nashorn!
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Community.
Rejoice! Do cartwheels!
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JgPanther! ^^
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(http://api.ning.com/files/TtBtgQGD8RM6D6ELX-OYkZD0CTMLtt9knIFYUq5huQicJRJfuM0vhoZCEc9RseNtX3utxcULLwMD2jx2RhyPzn0wPDKrDrJp/RandyMarshJizz.jpg)
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JUMBO!
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"today we have two tanks that served both the American and the German armies in the snowy fields of Belgium"
ok guys the big news is not russia... :P
PS: where do you guys get that funny pics :)
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PS: where do you guys get that funny pics :)
It's called the internet.
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106mm frontal armor, 150mm turret armor, one awesome 76mm gun
Yes i do like
and by that time, HVAP was far more common ;) [smalltrollface]
"today we have two tanks that served both the American and the German armies in the snowy fields of Belgium"
ok guys the big news is not russia... :P
PS: where do you guys get that funny pics :)
i would glady defend my snowy fields of belgium :)
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FINALLY ;D
just had a funny crash at hslan : "failer to connect to server - punkbuster exe heartbeat failed " xD
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cool jumbo and jagdpanther this must mean battle of the bulge is the next front! ;D 8)
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cool jumbo and jagdpanther this must mean battle of the bulge is the next front! ;D 8)
Yes it reads quite clearly there.
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cool jumbo and jagdpanther this must mean battle of the bulge is the next front! ;D 8)
No really ::)
Buddy, everyone know that :P, it's not surprising, but what we all want to know it's what is the nex front they're allready working on it. Because they work on something :P more than just the ardennes :)
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jagdpanther...
(http://www.lolpix.com/"><img src="http://www.lolpix.com/_pics/Funny_Pictures_898/Funny_Pictures_8985.jpg" alt="Funny Pictures" border="0" /></a>)
can anyone see that pic ? i cant
anyone can help me ?
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Having some fun with the gun ballistic calculator here, Only the KT gun is capable of penetrating the 30Degree sloped armor of the jumbo ;D
ooh and jagdpanther
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Nice tanks/hunters. Nice hint relating to bulge... ;)
Was this now the "you shall shit brickstones" update or will this still come?
I don't feel brickstones so far coming even I love the tanks. ;D
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ya!!!!!!!!!!! :) Battle of the Bulge!
My Grandpa was in 1st SS Panzer Division!
I love the Battle of the Bulge and all the kick ass story's that my grandpa would tell me about~ :D :'( :'( :'( :'(
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I have to post this:
The tanks look naked- I mean they just look as they just left the fabric and drive through the testing area.
I would like to see tanks that have a much more used look, some personal stuff, space tracks and such stuff- that would make the tanks more lively.
Like the Panzer III in africa with its sandbacks - that looks cool.
Or make some damage on them: remove one or two skirts and make the others look hard used- some bullet holes in them and such stuff.
I know its hard - but FH is known for details- thats a part thats kinda missing
Especially the shermans and stugs where filled up with bags, spacetracks whatever. That would rock!
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Its somewhat true, it was extremely rare to find a Sherman tank latewar without any field modifications like tracks and sandbags, even wooden logs!
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No one spotted the typo? I'm disappointed ;)
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wido maker = window maker?
and now ill make my own signature:
MOAR INDIVIDUAL STUFF
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It's WIDOW MAKER
seemed somewhat scary ::)
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I would love to see a black Widow in game :P
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MOAR SHERMANS MMMMOOOOAAAAARRRRRR
not enough versions (http://www.bf-games.net/forum/style_emoticons/default/trollface.gif)
nice news ;D
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Hmmm. So jumbo is clearly Ardenne, but jagd could be Russia?
CAN I GET AN AMEN?!
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Hmmm. So jumbo is clearly Ardenne, but jagd could be Russia?
CAN I GET AN AMEN?!
Watch the testserver like normal people... ;D
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Hallelujah brother!
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I'm still not excreting rectangular building blocks. After all, we've "known" about Bulge for what, almost a year?
I was expecting that the devs explain The Truth behind the odd changelog entrys such as the French soldier models (plus the weapons and vehicles), or the suspiciously high amount of Russian and Finnish weapons, the Russian vehicles plus the Finnish StuG, not to mention the odd maps on rotation on the test server like "Meuse River" and "Kuuterselkä" (in addition to the Bulge maps and Ste Mere Eglise).
Though, the winter camo looks lovely.
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YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
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YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Put your money where your mouth is and start posting stuff, then we will see ;D
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Hmmm. So jumbo is clearly Ardenne, but jagd could be Russia?
CAN I GET AN AMEN?!
Sherman jumbo's where used at the start of Normandy ;)
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I'm still not excreting rectangular building blocks. After all, we've "known" about Bulge for what, almost a year?
I was expecting that the devs explain The Truth behind the odd changelog entrys such as the French soldier models (plus the weapons and vehicles), or the suspiciously high amount of Russian and Finnish weapons, the Russian vehicles plus the Finnish StuG, not to mention the odd maps on rotation on the test server like "Meuse River" and "Kuuterselkä" (in addition to the Bulge maps and Ste Mere Eglise).
Though, the winter camo looks lovely.
It's exactly what I think.
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Is it now possible to predict when the next patch will be released (obviosuly with new theatre)?
I liked the uptade ;) Hehe, widow maker... ;D
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Is it now possible to predict when the next patch will be released (obviosuly with new theatre)?
Yes, the next patch (no number yet) will be released in the future.
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Nice update guys :)
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GRAAF!! the machinegun on zhe jagdpanther is for you to cover my viginity!!
Nice update indeed :)
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@thetao
Sure, Jumbos in Normandy *exaggerated wink*
... But not in tidy whities
And well, i am a tad deflated by the lack of an official announcement of the next theater... Azreal, you suck! *throws hotdog at Azreal* jk.
Hmm, but that does tell me they are not settled on which would dominate the next release
And that line about '2.3 was the last exclusively normandy patch' does beg the question: 2-pronged attack? THREE-pronged attack?! *drools*
Omaha, zitadelle and meuse river for 2.4 anyone?
CAN I PLE-EASE GET AN EI-MEN, MY BROTHERS N SISTERS?!!
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@thetao
Sure, Jumbos in Normandy *exaggerated wink*
(http://www.prservicios.com/images/juleswinffieldlarge1.jpg)
Are you Saying i am a liar?
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Sounds like fun,
Ill still be crossing my fingers that we get to see russia in the next patch, Looking forward to some early war eastern front action
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No, im calling you a propaganda minister, a bamboozler, a smoke-screen for the devs' nefarious misinformation campaign
But liar? Tsk, tsk, tsk, that is such an awful word, Tao :-)
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GRAAF!! the machinegun on zhe jagdpanther is for you to cover my viginity!!
Nice update indeed :)
Hehehe ye sure!
I really like jagdpanther in darkest hour, i think it ll be great in FH2 too!
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No, im calling you a propaganda minister, a bamboozler, a smoke-screen for the devs' nefarious misinformation campaign
But liar? Tsk, tsk, tsk, that is such an awful word, Tao :-)
http://dagobah.net/flash/sam4.swf
Go top left, the one below the top left
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Brilliant models. One criticism though; might just be the viewing angle, but the 75 on the E2 looks too short and the diameter too large.
76 seems fine. Besides that, can't complain. White-wash effect on the Jagd is brilliant.
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WOOHOO Jagdie :D
So gonna go Arhnem FH1 style on the brits :D
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Is it now possible to predict when the next patch will be released (obviosuly with new theatre)?
Yes, the next patch (no number yet) will be released in the future.
Exactly? In a month, a year?? ::)
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Just got back from class to see the update :3 Sexy <3
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Is it now possible to predict when the next patch will be released (obviosuly with new theatre)?
Yes, the next patch (no number yet) will be released in the future.
Exactly? In a month, a year?? ::)
Classified, even for the devs
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YES!!!! JagdPanther and the Battle of the Bulge!! Epic win. It's also great to see you guys are still hard at work even after just releasing the new patch last week.
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HOLY SHIT, those models look so beautiful really :o. Jumbo looks so good.
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While I agree with Irish on the fact they look a little too fresh (the Hellcat suffers from this the most), they are beautiful.
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Good,a new "front".
I suppose the Bulge will be easir to do.Most models (70%) are already done,just need proper skins and the maps.
But the winther models look to have a very thin snow layer.In FH1,they had a thick layer,the Panzer and Shermans were totally white.Were they painted or snows a lot in Belgium?
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Yay Jadgpanther! :D
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Good,a new "front".
I suppose the Bulge will be easir to do.Most models (70%) are already done,just need proper skins and the maps.
But the winther models look to have a very thin snow layer.In FH1,they had a thick layer,the Panzer and Shermans were totally white.Were they painted or snows a lot in Belgium?
Just few days ago I said how nice the JP V looks with a proper whitewash instead on boring full white paint job like they would have brought the tank back to the factory to get repainted.
Yes, the white paint was applied at the front.
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Nice update!
Bah it is now obvious that Battle of the Bulge is definitely the next theater (yes I know I know the devs alluded to it long ago). Luckily 90% of the vehicles for the battle are already in game and would only need reskins. As cool as this is, though, I hope that there's only one patch planned for this theater as it is much smaller in scope that any of the other theaters introduced so far.
AND so we can move on to the Eastern Front as quickly as possible! :D
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JagDPanther is pure Sex! ;)
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Something i noted:
Patch 2.3 was the final conclusion in the series of all-Normandy patches.
Which then reminds me of what Kelmola said:
Now I realize it. The devs are going to have a statics-based approach on new fronts post-Bulge - and not necessarily concentrating on a single front at a time anymore.
Excellent. All is as I have foreseen it. ;D
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Guys 106mm thick armor sloped back at 30 degrees, how "strong is it?"
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Guys 106mm thick armor sloped back at 30 degrees, how "strong is it?"
You want me to try it out ingame? :D
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I suppose the Bulge will be easir to do
I dissagree in the fact that for the bulge its is OUTSTANDING necessary to make new soldier skins including at least two: US GIs with coats ! and at least one german winter outfit (coat - SS anorak - Fallschirmjäger winter outfit) If those are missing it would look very strange!
I know its very very hard to make new player models but this is the most important thing about winter battle!
(also would like to see airborne and fallschirmjäger uniforms in normandy)
As cool as this is, though, I hope that there's only one patch planned for this theater as it is much smaller in scope that any of the other theaters introduced so far.
Maybe smaller but compared to the events happening there it was one of the most interessting ones. In my dreams I see Königstiger with FJ soldiers driving through the old forrest- I see GIs jumping from one to another foxhole while beijing under fire by 88s - I see jagdtiger at snowy fields attacking desperatly fighting shermans -
and i also see normandy maps! Night maps where soldiers jump out of Plane - and Flaks giving deadly light into the dark - I see soldiers -seasick and afraid - running throw open beaches, raped and surpessed by mg nest -and still fighting their way up ^^ I see mh more but im too tired to write more :D
good night
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Bah, tanks?
*Runs away*
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Nice update, one of my favorite things in FH0.7 was to drive JagdPanther behind a bush and ambush allied tanks.
Seems a bit odd that azreal would make such obvious references to a theater not yet in the game without announcing the next theater. If I were the suspicious type, I would wonder if this was some misdirection. However I think the Western Front 44/45 is the logical choice. This includes, of course the Battle of the Bulge Battle for the Ardennes Salient.
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Happy, the BOTB update has been community knowledge for months now :P
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@ IrishReloaded: they look fresh and new because they ARE fresh and new. Wait until you play the new maps for the 15th time ;)
@Kelmola: you are my favourite conspirationist. You even get followers now (for example Steel Lion Fin) :D
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Slayer do you mean the new models in the news post?
My post also included existing models some look lifeless - like panther and panzer IV
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Slayer do you mean the new models in the news post?
My post also included existing models some look lifeless - like panther and panzer IV
Yes, and I was just kidding with you. A more weathered look would be nice, I agree. But it's a detail in the great ride of additions you will see in newsposts to come :)
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Battle of the bulge, nice ;D
(http://ressim.net/a/upload/bc342ebf.jpg) (http://www.ressim.net/show.php/2494811_1.jpg.html)
Guys 106mm thick armor sloped back at 30 degrees, how "strong is it?"
I'm nearly sure it's frontal armor will be totally inpenetrable for stugs and panzer 4s probably tigers, panthers will fail to penetrate with regular ap but it's hull side armor has nothing special only 38mm like regular shermans which means even weaker than m3 stuart's frontal armor. ::) If you want tips for the future see below. 8)
(http://ressim.net/a/upload/fefc2259.jpg) (http://www.ressim.net/show.php/2494815_2.jpg.html)
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Not many Pumas in Bulge afaik.
Jumbo had 140mm lower front hull, 100mm upper front hull, hull sides 76mm and turret front 152mm.
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Did the 105mm sherman was in bulge ?
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Not many Pumas in Bulge afaik.
Jumbo had 140mm lower front hull, 100mm upper front hull, hull sides 76mm and turret front 152mm.
Battle of the bulge without the most sexy machine ever made ? Dude, are you kidding? ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_Lehr_Division
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/data/m4a3e2.htm
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Puma would fit for BOTB.
And Jumbo had 76mm on upper sides, but 38mm on lower sides.
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This is just what I wanted. Jumbo is my favorite allied tank, and the Jagdpanther is a great counter to it.
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Happy, the BOTB update has been community knowledge for months now :P
I know, I have been here the whole time. But this is the first time that the next theater has been so clearly inferred in a news update without being specifically announced.
And you should know better than to call it BOTB :P
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But I like calling It Bah-tib!
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Not enough flamethrowers in this update.
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Not enough flamethrowers in this update.
I'm agree with you.
Where is my lifebuoys :)
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the Sherman Jumbo would kick ass, the Tiger drivers would scream : "WTF THIS GAME IS BROKEN MY TIGER GOT OWNED BY A SHERMAN"
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Guys, it still has the same guns that the shermans have right now. It just has really tough frontal armour. Its side and rear armour can still be taken on by any german tank, AT gun, and faust/schreck that it'll face. Just as well, it is also just as vulnerable to the front by schreck and faust as any other tank ingame.... :-\
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Guys, it still has the same guns that the shermans have right now. It just has really tough frontal armour. Its side and rear armour can still be taken on by any german tank, AT gun, and faust/schreck that it'll face. Just as well, it is also just as vulnerable to the front by schreck and faust as any other tank ingame.... :-\
But it has a big 76 cannon, probably with tons of HVAP. It would take Tigers out with ease.
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Only a minority had the 76mm, and its still the same gun that's in the Wolverine and the Sherman 76.....
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Only a minority had the 76mm, and its still the same gun that's in the Wolverine and the Sherman 76.....
And? It still kicks through armor like butter.
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Another half year long wait for new theatre? btw, the skins of Jdpanther is perfect.
From the experience of other BF2 mod, the snow maps, desert maps are always not as beautiful as others, I think the BF2's engine is mostly good at rendering flourishing forest, but hopefully the FH2 dev can change this.
106mm frontal armor, 150mm turret armor, one awesome 76mm gun
and by that time, HVAP was far more common ;)
Well...HVAP is common,however 76mm Jumbo is extremely rare ::)
30 degrees sloped 100mm frontal hull, leads to 115-120mm, similar to the Tiger I's frontal turret. Currently the Tiger's pzg40 one shot even 140mm Panther glacis plate, so I doubt Jumbo would not be such a big threat 8)(Oh yes, now it's not only one team complaining about special APs)
But yeah, for the other tank, it's all about aiming now, with perfect aim you can knock out Jdpanther to the front by 75mm Sherman, knock out Jumbo to the front by pz4 won't be too hard as well, I think I've found some frontal weak spot of Jumbo from the pic...
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Jagdpanther ;D
We are on a roll...
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From the experience of other BF2 mod, the snow maps desert maps are always not as beautiful as others
I will come back to you one that quote ;)
And i would also like to underline with all the equipment we have curently ingame and as you can see in the neews update we are getting using the right ammo type is also wery importent especialy with the new reduced amount of special ammo, it is starting to be a wise thing to spend the korreckt ammo for the korreckt target.
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zomgg
awesome
beautifully detailed as usual ;D
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Yeej! Awesome news! Made my day ;D
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106mm frontal armor, 150mm turret armor, one awesome 76mm gun
and by that time, HVAP was far more common ;)
Well...HVAP is common,however 76mm Jumbo is extremely rare ::)
30 degrees sloped 100mm frontal hull, leads to 115-120mm, similar to the Tiger I's frontal turret. Currently the Tiger's pzg40 one shot even 140mm Panther glacis plate, so I doubt Jumbo would not be such a big threat 8)(Oh yes, now it's not only one team complaining about special APs)
253 jumbo's where ready in July 1944. And they saw alot alot of action in BOTB.
[/quote]Not many Pumas in Bulge afaik.
Jumbo had 140mm lower front hull, 100mm upper front hull, hull sides 76mm and turret front 152mm.
So the red is 140mm and the green is 100mm(115-120 actually since it is sloped back)
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Are there any current Normandy maps where the Jumbo or Jgpanther might make an appearance?
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Not the Jagdpanther. Only very few saw combat in Normandy and none of the current maps need it.
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So the red is 140mm and the green is 100mm(115-120 actually since it is sloped back)
Yes. Also, I got the turret wrong, its 152mm all around, with ~185mm on the mantlet.
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Very nice update!!
I wonder if the MG in the Jadpanther will be controlled by driver
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it cant be used by the driver because its full rotating- drivers only can controll coaxial mgs
so its like every other hull mg a second man needed
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Are there any current Normandy maps where the Jumbo or Jgpanther might make an appearance?
12 JagdPanthers were deployed to Normandy. Not enough to warrant us using it there, and if you read the update, the Jumbo didn't enter combat until August '44, after the Battle of Normandy.
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Just as I expected, but seeing the model, OMG the sexy Jadgpanter? FAP FAP FAP
But Final on Normandy? Bbbbbuut i saw Omaha and tons of Normandy stuffs still here. Oh wait, it should be a surprise to the passersby right?
BTW, Kelmola, you should blog your thoughts on FH2 conspiracy like most other conspiracy theorists out there. I've seen yours are more accurate. ;D
The US 57 mm gun is rarely mentioned, but it is there already, and I'm really waiting for this.
The richness of the content is what makes FH2 really really special. Don't bother about redundancy, we would really like to see moar! and just moar! Even bigger calibre, longer range, heavier mortar is fiiinneeee.
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i love the update, but those shermans im just pointing out donot have the E8/ HVSS.. only the M4A3E8, A1E8, and A3E8 (105) had HVSS.. cause those 3 the jumobs and the regular A3 dont.. just saying.. dont know if you meant that about this weeks news update or if just meant for the future if we see the E8's
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The US 57 mm gun is rarely mentioned, but it is there already, and I'm really waiting for this.
You mean the 76mm? The 57mm is at least on Lüttich.
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now i would say take the T23 turret off of the M4A1 76 and throw it ont he M4A3 75 hull and you jsut made your self the M4A3 76W ;D
along with the sherman crews throwing sandbags on there shermans to protect against faust and shrek encounters... just saying.. had it for Fh1 since we know the sherman crews got a little smarter vs these hang held weapons in the bulge and that is the next theater... http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/template/showscreenshot.php?imagename=M4A1%20Sherman/big.jpg&type=vehicle
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(http://ressim.net/a/upload/bc342ebf.jpg) (http://www.ressim.net/show.php/2494811_1.jpg.html)
This is the kind of camo i want to see whenever the eastern front comes!
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you have a better pic?
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i dont know exaclty what kind of camo it is, but its (dark?) brown - green Or dark brown - light brown with the same kind of pattern as the Pz IV H has now ingame
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It's simply the same camo most tanks use now in dark and dimly lit conditions.
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no i aint ;D
it dosnt contain the brick red color
(http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/img/techs/aufklarungspz38t_main.jpg)
Favorite german camouflage!
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Like the one on the St Lo StuG. :P
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The US 57 mm gun is rarely mentioned, but it is there already, and I'm really waiting for this.
You mean the 76mm? The 57mm is at least on Lüttich.
Right, i mean this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_inch_Gun_M5
Argh... sorry for the mistake.
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I want to note this at gun is nearly 2x more heavier than 6 pounder and pak 40 i hope it will be really slow or stationary.
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I want to note this at gun is nearly 2x more heavier than 6 pounder and pak 40 i hope it will be really slow or stationary.
6PDR is 1100KG, PAK 40 is 1450 KG. Doesnt matter, all are heavy.
This is FFH2 !!!
And FH2 needs moar movable PAK38's!
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MOAR of this
7,5-cm-leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18
It can be used at every campaign of war -
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FH2's vehicles have weight values, as you can find them in some of the local game files.
damn, I want this map!
(http://www.abload.de/img/fh_forumsig31nae.jpg)
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MOAR of this
7,5-cm-leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18
It can be used at every campaign of war -
Hilfen to support it then!
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=11503.0
My thread about it has been rather succesfull tbh
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i know it - ;)
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Hi all. For my this JagdPanther looks crap .....need zimmerit http://henk.fox3000.com/dragon/7241/02.jpg
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FH2's vehicles have weight values, as you can find them in some of the local game files.
damn, I want this map!
(http://www.abload.de/img/fh_forumsig31nae.jpg)
;) ;)
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Zimmerit was discontinued in late war.
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Hi all. For my this JagdPanther looks crap .....need zimmerit http://henk.fox3000.com/dragon/7241/02.jpg
Then go make your own
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Hi all. For my this JagdPanther looks crap .....need zimmerit http://henk.fox3000.com/dragon/7241/02.jpg
Only early models of the Jagdpanther received zimmerit treatment at the factory and the zimmerit in whole was discontinued during autumn of 1944. So for a vehicle for winter '44-'45 it is completely correct not to have zimmerit.
Does it look crap in any other way? Constructive criticism is always welcome, random ranting... not so.
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Oh. My. God.
I wanted to see them both and they look awesome on top of that.
One question though.
Is the Jagdpanther going to use the (forgot the designation) 10x scope?
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One question though.
Is the Jagdpanther going to use the (forgot the designation) 10x scope?
Any source for the 10 x sight? All I found was the 5 x Sfl.Z.F.1a.
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One question though.
Is the Jagdpanther going to use the (forgot the designation) 10x scope?
Any source for the 10 x sight? All I found was the 5 x Sfl.Z.F.1a.
I think it's called "WZF 1/4" - from late war production types, I honestly don't know if there were jagdpanthers equipped with these at BOTB, although I'll try to find out...
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Can we get a "behind the scenes".
How does a modeler starts his work?
Where he gets his sources from?
Is he drunk when he works?
How long takes such a tank?
I would like to see more of how the work is done- you get a better feeling of how much work everything is, and I'm sure Im not the only one interessted in this.
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From another forum:
"[...]Both, sort of. The early specs of the Jagdpanther from the summer of 1943 included the Sfl Zf 1a, that is the gun sight from the Ferdinand. (Spielberger: "Panzerkampfwagen Panther..." p.194). Spielbergers specs for the Jagdpanther on p. 240 states that the sight was "Winkelzielfernrohr 1/4, while Chamberlain & Doyle "Encyclopedia..." p. 255 states that the Sfl Zf 5 was "early" while the WZF 1/4 was "late"."
For the Ingame model seems to be late war (larger, outside-bolted mantlet and a modified Panther G engine deck), the WZF 1/4 should be right
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Can we get a "behind the scenes".
How does a modeler starts his work?
Where he gets his sources from?
Is he drunk when he works?
How long takes such a tank?
I would like to see more of how the work is done- you get a better feeling of how much work everything is, and I'm sure Im not the only one interessted in this.
That could actually be interesting, maybe you should try posting it in the suggestions forum, tho i dont know if it is a real ''suggestion''.
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From another forum:
"[...]Both, sort of. The early specs of the Jagdpanther from the summer of 1943 included the Sfl Zf 1a, that is the gun sight from the Ferdinand. (Spielberger: "Panzerkampfwagen Panther..." p.194). Spielbergers specs for the Jagdpanther on p. 240 states that the sight was "Winkelzielfernrohr 1/4, while Chamberlain & Doyle "Encyclopedia..." p. 255 states that the Sfl Zf 5 was "early" while the WZF 1/4 was "late"."
For the Ingame model seems to be late war (larger, outside-bolted mantlet and a modified Panther G engine deck), the WZF 1/4 should be right
Good info, thanks, this means we should have the 10x sight ingame and maybe a "(late)" next to the name when the thing gets to the vehicles page.
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About a previous post, seeing where the mg is, I'm hoping its a secondary position of its just going to be wierd
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does the scope size matter if the fog distance doesnt change?
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I think it does, because on some maps at fog distance targets get so small that it can be hard to hit- more magnification is pure profit then
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Thats awesome! The frosted tank skins MUST mean, that the devs are working on the ardennes campaign, which I was looking forward to so long. GREAT! :)
€dit: Yeah, i wrote before I read...
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;D Public rumors say next theater is here sooner than we can have thought off. Oelala you have power!
This update breaths FH1 !
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Sherman jumbo's where used at the start of Normandy ;)
Axisforums says that 19 Jagdpanthers were in Normandy, and 2 where knocked out.
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for the devs this is too less to make a map with jagdpanther
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for the devs this is too less to make a map with jagdpanther
Only 44 Sherman Jumbo saw action on Normandy, the first one in St. Lo with the 75mm gun. 76mm came really later, in Bastogne; not Normandy. And since this is a game that supports historical accuraccy, if you have a machine, such as the Jagdpanther...and you know it was there. Then it needs to be there, the Jagdpanther must be used on Normandy.
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No, because we don't have the maps where it could be used. Just because one was "in normandy" doesn't mean it has to be on a normandy map. The Kingtiger for example was only added because one was used around Caen during Operation Goodwood. And afaik there are no plans to add either the jumbo or the Jagdpanther to any Normandy map.
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like you said the jumbo was in St.Lo
Where was Jagdpanther? Do we have a map that featers his historical place? When we have the map then yes we need it. when not then not ...
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for the devs this is too less to make a map with jagdpanther
Only 44 Sherman Jumbo saw action on Normandy, the first one in St. Lo with the 75mm gun. 76mm came really later, in Bastogne; not Normandy. And since this is a game that supports historical accuraccy, if you have a machine, such as the Jagdpanther...and you know it was there. Then it needs to be there, the Jagdpanther must be used on Normandy.
If this is a game that supports Historical accuracy, Lots of german stuff has to go and the PZIV/Stug should be frontally killable by the sherman.
Or the churchills on Totalize has to go. But then why dont we see the historical accurate Churchill's on Goodwood,El ala, Supercharge and Mareth line. Or Brummbars?
Then allied tank ratios should be 4:1. Ingame it is barely 1.5:1. Infact many maps has equal german tanks
Also many G43's has to leave. Or STG44's Fully
Also no FW190's on Cobra and Totalize
I can keep on going with this.
You cant make this game 100% fully historical accurate because things can get unplayable.
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churcill on el al and supercharge would be quite cool. Something good to be bombed by Stuka.
Its still a game -
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churcill on el al and supercharge would be quite cool. Something good to be bombed by Stuka.
Its still a game -
edit: A FUN Map with EVERY vehicle and Plane would be cool
2 Mainbases 2 Falgs in the middel and we will have FUN FUN FUN till the devs take the pc away ;D
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Not possible due to texture overload. Would lag and crash like a bitch.
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just splitt it :
Normandie with all stuff - and africa.
I mean El Alamein got almost every vehicle. From 5 diffrent planes to tons of shermans- Marder, Flaktruck, Panzer III + IV, this new APC bla bla bla
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We have maps like that, they are called testing range Normandy / Afrika and are notable for lagging even on a local server with only one guy in it. And you might have noticed how El Alamein also used to have Grants, Panzer IV shorts etc in 2.0. Those were removed because of performance issues.
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BLAME THE ENGINE!!!!!
:'(
How much different vehicels can be on one map?
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Yea, that map is getting pretty high up there. We probably won't add much to it unless we remove some things first.
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Trow out an British armoured car and add in the churchill i say. Kingforce had a to much impact on the battlefield to be simply forgotten in FH2
http://www.northirishhorse.net/articles/7.html
The entire history of the unit
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Just say that for map X a graphics card with 1 GB of dedicated memory is recommended/required ;D
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Jagdpanth0r!
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about the Jagdpanther....
i hope that more enemy shells will bounce of from that front plate than from other tanks...... ::)
i mean: it seldom happens that shells bounce of from the Armor (especialli from the panthers frontplate)
and for me there is no big difference from a Panther to a Panzer IV
except of Speed,Accurancy and damage of the gun
but the Panther are also get killed by one hit like other Tanks (two hits would be ok)
so im not really excidet about the New Jagdpanther (only the Design is new - nothing more)
and in real alot people say that the Panther is one of the best tanks in WW2
but in FH2 its just one Tank that getting killed by one shell and not better than a Panzer IV
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The strength was in its frontal armor. Any shooter who knows what he's doing will aim at your side, even if its only inches of it you show him. When I face people head on, besides maybe the 76mm Sherman and Firefly, everything DOES bounce off
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and for me there is no big difference from a Panther to a Panzer IV
but in FH2 its just one Tank that getting killed by one shell and not better than a Panzer IV
You played fh2 only 2-3 times ?
churcill on el al and supercharge would be quite cool.
You guys hate fair play ?
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You guys hate fair play ?
No I dont, but there is really enough that can beat the churchill: El Al: 1or 2 Marders + 1or 2 Panzer IV long barreled. + 2 Stukas.
Give the guys a target they have to fight together. Sherman vs Panzer III is 1:1 fight. Churchill is 1 vs team!!!
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You guys hate fair play ?
No I dont, but there is really enough that can beat the churchill: El Al: 1or 2 Marders + 1or 2 Panzer IV long barreled. + 2 Stukas.
Give the guys a target they have to fight together. Sherman vs Panzer III is 1:1 fight. Churchill is 1 vs team!!!
I like your style.
El ala in 2.3 has an extra marder, and PZIV long barreld.
This is what needs to be done=
Trow out one sherman and a British armoured car
Add churchill MKIII(In theory you can use the MKIV, as only the turret was diffrent, if you make the MKIII, it only needs a slight turret change + reskin)
Add Flak 88's at kidney. Because kidney ridge had flak 88's wich stopped previous assaults from Shermans and crusaders
Kingforce did to much to be left out. Not only did they took Kidney ridge, they also defended it against a massive counterattack.
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The 88s would be cool so the British Plane would have a main target - but nevertheless they wont add 88s due to what they call "fairnass and balance".
Churchill really should go in. Maybe you could take the marmon car away - its useless in that map -just for "anti stuka" which is kinda stupid.
Make the map harder ! Give the map a "oh WE NEED TO KILL THIS FIRST " target !
Its the same like Kingtiger on goodwood- Everyone else is concerned about the KT and the chat is full with "KT E5" "Where is KT" because its main opject to kill this first.
The same with Tiger on Mareth - its not really usefull because everyone just shouts out "Tiger here - there" and then bombers come and kill it!!
Same would be for churchill on El AL!!!!
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and for me there is no big difference from a Panther to a Panzer IV
but in FH2 its just one Tank that getting killed by one shell and not better than a Panzer IV
You played fh2 only 2-3 times ?
take a look on my Signatur ;)
and pls tell me difference
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Never mind. Marder III, pzIVF2 is capable to one shot those early churchill. I mean IRL, of course the one ingame can resist even panther shot, if this is fixed I approve for NA churchills.
btw, DAK received tigers in late 1942, so maybe it can appear on map other than mereth?
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The strength was in its frontal armor. Any shooter who knows what he's doing will aim at your side, even if its only inches of it you show him. When I face people head on, besides maybe the 76mm Sherman and Firefly, everything DOES bounce off
yeah, thats true ... but that also goes for the stugs frontal armor xD - added to that the stug is even a smaller target - its not as easy to shoot its side.
Now the jagdpanther wont have a coax mg, is bigger than a stug. the only difference will be that it has a stronger gun, and might be faster.
Take cobra for example ... your panther is a big target and half the allied tanks can 1 shot it frontally anyways.
a churchill on el alamein would actually be interresting, what gun did they have there ? 6 pounder or 75mm?
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The strength was in its frontal armor. Any shooter who knows what he's doing will aim at your side, even if its only inches of it you show him. When I face people head on, besides maybe the 76mm Sherman and Firefly, everything DOES bounce off
a churchill on el alamein would actually be interresting, what gun did they have there ? 6 pounder or 75mm?
A 6PDR. 84 rounds. Their story= http://www.northirishhorse.net/articles/7.html
During the tunesian campaign, they became far more common. Also 200 MKIV's got Sherman tank 75mm guns and mantlet.
1400 Churchills MKIV+III served in NA and the italy campaign. The grand majority of them survived, as their armor was high quality and well, they where the only allied tank that could well survive hits from most AT guns(The fronts and Sides where immune to the PZIV/Stug exept at 50m range) and the Flak 88 from 600m.
After that, the grand majority got converted to the Hobbarts funnies=AVRE, ARK,Bobbin, Fascine and many more. The MKVII was actually the common version in Normandy(Increased armor,Front from 104mm to 154mm, sides from 91 to 104mm) and would fit perfectly on Villers bocage and Goodwood (as i found wich company used them ;) they where also the ones that where ambushed at Cagny, losing 10 shermans, 1 Churchill and one Crocodile)
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Churchills MKIV+III served in NA ... their armor was high quality and well, they where the only allied tank that could well survive hits from most AT guns(The fronts and Sides where immune to the PZIV/Stug exept at 50m range) and the Flak 88 from 600m.
Just wondering which super tank you are talking about.
And then as always:the high and good quality allied armor and bad and terrible quality of axis ones.
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btw, DAK received tigers in late 1942, so maybe it can appear on map other than mereth?
Nah, IMO there are enough toys on Africa maps and most of them are stacked to the max with allowed amount of different vehicles and the Tiger is awesome enough to be only on Mareth. For the fun factor too, everyone scared of seeing the Tiger.
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Churchills MKIV+III served in NA ... their armor was high quality and well, they where the only allied tank that could well survive hits from most AT guns(The fronts and Sides where immune to the PZIV/Stug exept at 50m range) and the Flak 88 from 600m.
Just wondering which super tank you are talking about.
And then as always:the high and good quality allied armor and bad and terrible quality of axis ones.
Churchill MKIII
Front=104mm armor
Sides 94mm
PZIV's KWK L43=85mm armor at 1000m
Does not penetrate IRL, yet it does in FH2. So be happy
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btw, DAK received tigers in late 1942, so maybe it can appear on map other than mereth?
Nah, IMO there are enough toys on Africa maps and most of them are stacked to the max with allowed amount of different vehicles and the Tiger is awesome enough to be only on Mareth. For the fun factor too, everyone scared of seeing the Tiger.
DAK Tiger's only ever fought against the Brits in Tunisia, so nope, unless more Brit/German tunisia maps were made.
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I love the north african campaign. It seems a lot more...Innocent than the other fronts.
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Churchill MKIII
Front=104mm armor
Sides 94mm
PZIV's KWK L43=85mm armor at 1000m
Does not penetrate IRL, yet it does in FH2. So be happy
Penetration is fucked in FH2 anyway because of BF2 engine. Cromwell can easily penetrate Panther armor to the front by shooting to side at 1 degree angle, that simply isn't the case in real life. You just can't penetrate Panther G from the front with 75mm.
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Churchill MKIII
Front=104mm armor
Sides 94mm
PZIV's KWK L43=85mm armor at 1000m
Does not penetrate IRL, yet it does in FH2. So be happy
Penetration is fucked in FH2 anyway because of BF2 engine. Cromwell can easily penetrate Panther armor to the front by shooting to side at 1 degree angle, that simply isn't the case in real life. You just can't penetrate Panther G from the front with 75mm.
This is on both allies and axis
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But tanks like Churchill with huge side armor get much bigger advantage. IRL frontal is much more important.
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The panther is not heavy tank. The tiger also has huge side armor
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Panther was build as medium tank
Tiger + Tiger II as heavy tank
Maus and E100 +stuff superheavy :P
The same counts for the tracks- you can kill everytank by shooting on wheels and tracks - By doing this in RL you just make him dissable to move-.
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So wish that was someday implementable through python or something in FH2 - Mobility kill. Make for some si-ick tactics
But yer, Panther is a German medium, although the allies would've classified it as a heavy. Still, don't under-estimate this bad boy. I think it is responsible for more allied tank kills with its superb speed and turret traverse, whereas the Tiger more often needs to turn the whole thing around....Well, that wont help the JagDPanther would it?
Still, different tactics. You are supposed to be lying in wait or surprising the allies like in Band of Brothers, not taking the fight to the enemy tanks - And if its infantry, make sure you got beacoup friendly infantry support
Still, it has major fear factor. And with the FH2 realistic tank sizes, as opposed to the shrunken ones from FH1, this one is gonna have MAJOR fear factor - And a KT cannon sound...
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Panther was build as medium tank
Tiger + Tiger II as heavy tank
Maus and E100 +stuff superheavy :P
The same counts for the tracks- you can kill everytank by shooting on wheels and tracks - By doing this in RL you just make him dissable to move-.
Imagine the ratte, or the T28 ;D
OMG LOOK SO AWESOME TANK WE HAS
*37mm gun or 50mm gun kills tracks
FFFUUUUU
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I love the north african campaign. It seems a lot more...Innocent than the other fronts.
Yeah tell that to the thousands of people who died there ...
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TW puts it wrong but he is right, veterans stated that the NA front was more a gentlemens war. No front could match the gentlemen behaviour from both sides. Good care for prisoners, mercy, etc.
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The panther is not heavy tank. The tiger also has huge side armor
But irl Sherman can't penetrate panther side from 1 degree angle
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What know look JagdPanther crap? As other vehicles have obtained disruptions in to fh2....It lacks this vehicle curious camouflage too, patches.They let's see on it
http://panzerwaffe.pl/krzemek/jagdpanther/jagdpanther06.jpg
JagdPanther 654. schw. Heeres Panzerjäger form April.Normandy 1944 and his have zimmerit ...
They owned definitely not all zimmerit but has it.This my opinion about jagdpanthera,Sorry for English
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Nothing wrong with the camo and like stated earlier, the late Jagdpanther should not have zimmerit. It was discontinued after Normandy and this vehicle is for later battles.
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TW puts it wrong but he is right, veterans stated that the NA front was more a gentlemens war. No front could match the gentlemen behaviour from both sides. Good care for prisoners, mercy, etc.
Yes very true -- compared to most other fronts in WWII, the extra (over the top) brutality levels were lower. That said, it was far from innocent!
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The grand majority of them survived, as their armor was high quality and well, they where the only allied tank that could well survive hits from most AT guns(The fronts and Sides where immune to the PZIV/Stug exept at 50m range) and the Flak 88 from 600m.
The 50m must be a typo since the StuK 40 L/48 can indeed penetrate the sides AND the front of the Churchill at 500m with PzG39 (the L/48 has 106mm of penetration @ 30 degrees so shooting the tank directly at the front should penetrate). The L/43 can only deal with the sides at 500m. With PzG40 there should be no probs dealing with the front for both L/48 and L/43.
Edit: Source for penetration values: http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/75-mm.asp
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btw, DAK received tigers in late 1942, so maybe it can appear on map other than mereth?
Nah, IMO there are enough toys on Africa maps and most of them are stacked to the max with allowed amount of different vehicles and the Tiger is awesome enough to be only on Mareth. For the fun factor too, everyone scared of seeing the Tiger.
DAK Tiger's only ever fought against the Brits in Tunisia, so nope, unless more Brit/German tunisia maps were made.
Would be great if sb made "Kasserine pass" map or battle near Teboura where 134 allied tanks were destroyed...
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TW puts it wrong but he is right, veterans stated that the NA front was more a gentlemens war. No front could match the gentlemen behaviour from both sides. Good care for prisoners, mercy, etc.
Yes very true -- compared to most other fronts in WWII, the extra (over the top) brutality levels were lower. That said, it was far from innocent!
And one of most rare aspects of the whole WWII: the desert war was a soldiers war, with almost no collateral damage. It was just sand.
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TW puts it wrong but he is right, veterans stated that the NA front was more a gentlemens war. No front could match the gentlemen behaviour from both sides. Good care for prisoners, mercy, etc.
Yes very true -- compared to most other fronts in WWII, the extra (over the top) brutality levels were lower. That said, it was far from innocent!
Maybe "romantic" is a better word?
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about the Jagdpanther....
i hope that more enemy shells will bounce of from that front plate than from other tanks...... ::)
i mean: it seldom happens that shells bounce of from the Armor (especialli from the panthers frontplate)
and for me there is no big difference from a Panther to a Panzer IV
except of Speed,Accurancy and damage of the gun
but the Panther are also get killed by one hit like other Tanks (two hits would be ok)
so im not really excidet about the New Jagdpanther (only the Design is new - nothing more)
and in real alot people say that the Panther is one of the best tanks in WW2
but in FH2 its just one Tank that getting killed by one shell and not better than a Panzer IV
+1 in FH2 tanks isnt, mdeium or heavy.. they are just tanks.. Tiger for example is just a big block of cement with a dmn slow turret.. nothing more
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Would be great if sb made "Kasserine pass" map or battle near Teboura where 134 allied tanks were destroyed...
ever played FH2 aberdeen? seems like it would the same map, only reversed.
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Erm, no. Kasserine has very different terrain, atmosphere, airplanes and I think he was referring to a map with Tigers.
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He ment the outcome of the battle. Aberdeen is a map where mostly the allies win, and where the german requires alot of tactic to win (then again, their are many maps where the allies have this)
Kasserine pas would require more then you think. Springfields 03,P-40/39, A-36(yes these planes did fought the axis forces at kasserine), M3 lee...And the most grueling of all for the devs=Player models
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The post was based on the use of the tiger in NA, TS. The poster only mentioned tank kills in case people were unfamiliar, not to justify the map.
I sure hope there'd be a chance of this though. Operation torch maps, kasserine. Wont mind waiting for french to be in first, but I think it would be a crying shame if its never done. But dont quote me, just my opinion.
P.s, how drastically different were the US uniforms. From pics i've seen, the changes seem like something a skinner alone can do.
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Yeah, I mean that there should be some maps with Tigers in NA - it's a pity that sb made NA Tiger model and it's only used on one map and even not always...
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THe main problem, as I have pointed out once already, is that Tigers in North Africa and Kasserine Pass don't go together. The Tigers simply weren't used against the americans, they were used against the British. So either you can support having american NA maps, or more maps with Tigers in Tunisia, but you can't have both at the same time.
At any rate, most, if not all, progress on africa is dead. We probably will not see additions to the NA campaign for a long time.
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Maybe we will see africa stuff if the french hope projet go there and if they will be use by FH2, but there is to many if....
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I hope to see someday 1 or 2 maps with early battles in NA between italians and british (Beda Fomm,Battle of the Camps,Keren) (Carro Veloce FTW!!!), and ofc 1-2 tunisian maps between germans and americans (Kasserine,Sidi Bou Zid, maybe El Guettar). This is my wet dream of FH2 (and Ostfront...).
BTW i saw long time ago a Beda Fomm and Battle of Keren maps in a server
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Both Beda Fomm and Battle of Keren were released to the public inofficially way back. I think Beda Fomm was used in a tournament for example. And I remember running around on Keren on an empty server way before I was a tester. Keren was made by schism who later made Port en bessin.
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THe main problem, as I have pointed out once already, is that Tigers in North Africa and Kasserine Pass don't go together. The Tigers simply weren't used against the americans, they were used against the British. So either you can support having american NA maps, or more maps with Tigers in Tunisia, but you can't have both at the same time.
At any rate, most, if not all, progress on africa is dead. We probably will not see additions to the NA campaign for a long time.
Yyy... But I've found on Wiki that Tigers fought in Kasserine Pass, and what's more it's written that Tiger shot Sherman from 2700 m... And I think that in Kasserine Pass map in FH 1 there are Tigers...
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Tigers indeed saw action at Kasserine, they where in the 10th panzer devision
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Nope, because:
von Arnim had been told to detach the whole division but controversially only released a battlegroup under Felix von Broich, keeping half the division, including its Tiger tank unit for his own purposes
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Nope, because: von Arnim had been told to detach the whole division but controversially only released a battlegroup under Felix von Broich, keeping half the division, including its Tiger tank unit for his own purposes
but
Within minutes, the U.S. lines were broken. Their light guns and tanks had no chance against the heavier German equipment, and they had little or no experience in armored warfare. The German Panzer IVs and Tiger tanks fended off all attacks with ease; the M3 Lee and M3 Stuart tanks they faced were inferior in firepower and their crews far less experienced.
but who is right?
I say flippy
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Beda Fomm was a map made for the WaW tournament.
I actually forgot the maker.. ayrton or azreal?
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Well, there was an interview with a German who fought in a tiger against the americans in tunisia in a documentary on the history channel so...
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Argh, Don't bring up the history channel as a Viable source... Some of the historians on there couldn't tell a Sherman from a Mark 4 vickers.
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Argh, Don't bring up the history channel as a Viable source... Some of the historians on there couldn't tell a Sherman from a Mark 4 vickers.
^ This. The History Channel is terrible and extremely dumbed down.
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they do get the basics right, though. It's pretty much only good for middle-school history classes, really. I stopped watching them before I got out of middle school, actually. They seem to have just make new ones now whenever a vaguely popular movie comes out about it. For example, 300 and Valkyrie.
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Nope, because: von Arnim had been told to detach the whole division but controversially only released a battlegroup under Felix von Broich, keeping half the division, including its Tiger tank unit for his own purposes
but
Within minutes, the U.S. lines were broken. Their light guns and tanks had no chance against the heavier German equipment, and they had little or no experience in armored warfare. The German Panzer IVs and Tiger tanks fended off all attacks with ease; the M3 Lee and M3 Stuart tanks they faced were inferior in firepower and their crews far less experienced.
but who is right?
I say flippy
Wiki speaks bullshit in this thing. I can confirm what Muddy says. NO TIGERS AT KASSERINE!
I believe Muddy and my Osprey book about the battle
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Yep, you can't trust wiki on this. This is a FAMED myth, much like the same myth that Tiger tanks faced the americans in Normandy (there were actually NO tiger battalions in the american sector, all reported Tigers were probably Panzer 4s with schurzen).
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Yep, you can't trust wiki on this. This is a FAMED myth, much like the same myth that Tiger tanks faced the americans in Normandy (there were actually NO tiger battalions in the american sector, all reported Tigers were probably Panzer 4s with schurzen).
But do confirm that PZIII ausf M where present plz!
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Yes, Panzer III M served in africa :P
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Right, Mudra. Like you said that what cole's men charged on the road to carentan was - in fact - a 105, not an 88 ::-)
Excuse me if i still believe the VETERAN german tiger tanker who said he went up against american tanks
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Right, Mudra. Like you said that what cole's men charged on the road to carentan was - in fact - a 105, not an 88 ::-)
Excuse me if i still believe the VETERAN german tiger tanker who said he went up against american tanks
I'm sure he went up against American tanks. Crewed by British soldiers. I recently read a letter written by a German soldier home where he described a Russian tank attack and he writes "About three T34s, some assault guns and 4 American Sherman tanks"
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Wait, are you history buffs THAT arrogant to believe the vets absolutely didnt know which ARMY they were fighting or where on the globe they were fighting? I said, the guy was at Kass-er-ine pa-ssss
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No, but I'm arrogant enough to believe that if a German veteran tells history channel guys that he fought British in American vehicles there is room for misunderstandings, mistranslations or ommissions.
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The process goes like this:
1) History Channel decides that Tigers were used at Kasserine
2) They say "Go find Tiger veteran NAOW"
3) They interview said veteran, who will remember fighting Shermans and Grants somewhere in Africa
4) They intercut the soundbites to a narrative about Kasserine, nevermind where the veteran said he had fought
5) ?? ??
6) FAIL!
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At the Kasserine pass? Really? The soldiers didnt know the sector they were in or the armies they fought?
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At the Kasserine pass? Really? The soldiers didnt know the sector they were in or the armies they fought?
Read our posts...
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[sarcasm]But, but, in FH1, kasserine map have the tiger on it. Do you mean FH team made error too. :'( [/sarcasm]
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Actually my last post was in response to TS
Noted, kelmola
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Kelmola hits the nail on the head. The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;) History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
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Kelmola hits the nail on the head. The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;) History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.
I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.
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Kelmola hits the nail on the head. The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;) History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.
I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.
Yup, but it can take a lot of work. The NA theater need more stuff, like early map (with brit vs italian in 1940) and late map with US vs French, italian and german. But I think the dev don't want to do it. :(
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Kelmola hits the nail on the head. The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;) History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.
I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.
Its not because Brits had bigger role than US in both fronts. To me British are the main western allied.
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Is it possible to convert maps from FH1 to FH2? At least geometry?
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Kelmola hits the nail on the head. The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;) History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.
I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.
Its not because Brits had bigger role than US in both fronts. To me British are the main western allied.
Not for me...
The british had need is commenwealth. Without it, they were nothing...
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Nothing against the Veterans, but you never know; they may like to blow their story up a bit to make it more impressive if they knew that say Tiger tanks were the feared thing.
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Yes, Panzer III M served in africa :P
(http://www.opakees.nl/Foto's/Chatters%20hoog-390/excellent.jpg)
Who cares about tiger?Add PZIII ausf L+M and kasserine will be awesome!
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Nothing against the Veterans, but you never know; they may like to blow their story up a bit to make it more impressive if they knew that say Tiger tanks were the feared thing.
Yeah, but that's the thing: Djinn was referring to a german fighting in a Tiger, not a US GI fighting against a Tiger.
Personally I would be more impressed by a german telling about fighting M3's in, say, a Panzer III than if he was talking about shooting fish in a barrel from his indestructible Tiger. Although History Channel can be a bit dodgy when it comes to the details (or the subjectiveness of their shows, but that's another discussion), I'm all for believing a veteran telling this stuff on camera.
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Intentional or not, veterans do quite often recollect things wrongly or inaccurately comparable to what evidence suggests.
Remember, you're asking someone who's been through an awful lot to recall very minor details that happened a long time ago. Memories tend to deteriorate over time.
Having spoken to several veterans before this almost always seems to be the case. It's not clear as day. Sometimes the details are lost because they just didn't know what they were fighting, or where. In most situations they will assume the worst... If you ask them if they were fighting something that has a drummed-up reputation like the Tiger, they will more often than not say yes. The History Channel should take some responsibility for this, but if they ask a veteran questions they are often obliged to tell the story of their experiences.
Am I calling veterans liars? Certainly not. But details do get lost in translation.
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Kelmola hits the nail on the head. The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;) History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.
I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.
Its not because Brits had bigger role than US in both fronts. To me British are the main western allied.
And I think you're very wrong there. No doubt the Brits played a very large role in Normandy, but they definitely where NOT the dominant player, just looking at sheer numbers of troops, material, etc that were needed for the operation and its resulting battles.
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As you say yourself, you're only looking at the sizes of things.
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Kelmola hits the nail on the head. The myth that Tiger tanks fought the americans in Africa is as common as that Polish cav charged german tanks with lances ;) History channel has horrible fact checkers, and indeed commonly spreads misnomers like that.
They did face their 88 millimeter AT guns, though, which was enough to scare the shit out of the Americans lol.
I still really want to see the Americans in Africa! Kasserine in FH1 was a great map and offered lots of variety, and the US Army did play a significant role in that theater. Again, leaving the US out of North Africa is like leaving the Brits out of Normandy.
Its not because Brits had bigger role than US in both fronts. To me British are the main western allied.
Um, the British had a smaller role than the US in normandy and Italy....=/
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By British I mean Commonwealth of course...
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Annnnddd the commonwealth and poles combined had a smaller presence in Normandy than the US =/
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You have a good source for US vs Commonwealth forces in Normandy? I could only find a comparison of casulaties (which indeed are significantly higher for the US). Also, how many German divisions were deployed against Commonwealth forces and how many against US forces?
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it doesnt matter
British fought the far grander majority in NA
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it doesnt matter
British fought the far grander majority in NA
I'm not the least bit interested in your arguement, I just want to know for the sake of knowing. :p
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Maybe smaller presence, but how I've always understood it, it was the non-US western allies who did most of the work in Normandy.
How germans focused most of their troops and armour to defend Caen and its surrounding areas. What I gathered the americans didnt really fight any large scale battles with a good number of casualties on both sides, not at least as much as the british and their lackies went through. Needless to say maybe it was the recklesness that caused rather high casualties overall for the americans. Not to belittle american effort of course, they did reach their objectives over the cotentin peninsula in a "so-so" schedule while the brits were held up around Caen for a long period of time. But how I also see it is that even thought the burden was on the brits, canadians, french and poles, the americans are the ones who got the wheels rolling as they reached Cherbourg and later with Cobra offensive managed to break out of normandy and in the end cause what would become of Falaise Pocket.
Both had their jobs to do, but in my little world I think it was the brits who did all the heavy work while the americans pushed on the offensive where the enemy was weaker. After Normandy they pretty much moved aside and let the yanks roll forward.
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The reason the Brits faced more panzer divisions was because the Germans still did not believe that the Americans were a capable force. They still thought that the Americans were just as bad tactically as they had been in Tunisia and parts of Italy, and so focused their attention on the 'professionals', ie, the Brits, holding the Americans with mostly infantry units backed up by a single Panzer Division, the 17th SS Panzergrenaidier, and the Fallschirmjager. But sides served a major function, the British essentially held the Panzer divisions in one area, while the Americans ground through the flank and with Op Cobra, smashed it open. By presence, however, I refer to the fact that the American contingent was far larger than the Commonwealth contingent, and after Normandy, essentially made the Commonwealth forces a sideshow to the real battle.
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By British I mean Commonwealth of course...
For the love of God, say british and commonwealth next time.
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The 17th SS Panzergrenaidier, didn't focus on the canadias only because they was the nearest to their base? Or in their competence zone?
I remeber also that after marketgarden there was some problems betwin Montgomery and the UK goverment, so he recive the order to do not attack, or something like that..
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Um, what?
The 17th SS was deployed against the americans around Carentan and St Lo.....=/
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Um, what?
The 17th SS was deployed against the americans around Carentan and St Lo.....=/
sorry i was wrong the canadians faced the 12th SS Hitlerjugend Panzer that was the only Panzer Division that fought during the firsth day!
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Um, no. 21st Panzer Division. 12th SS didn't make it into combat until the 7th.