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Title: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 10-06-2009, 22:06:19
Battlefield 3 is in devellopement.
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/696413/Electronic-Arts-Confirms-Battlefield-3-In-Development.html
I'm not happy, but I'm not sad.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 10-06-2009, 22:06:42
Kind of yay.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 10-06-2009, 22:06:04
Oh shit...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 10-06-2009, 22:06:01
Aye mates, theres is no hope ahead. Although I am sure we will be disappointed it's better then nothing.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Niam on 10-06-2009, 23:06:17
I wonder what scenario they gonna chose...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 10-06-2009, 23:06:12
Modern... I guess.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Niam on 10-06-2009, 23:06:18
Modern... I guess.

Mhh, the fact that they're doing BF1943 points to it too. Pity...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Cory the Otter on 10-06-2009, 23:06:53
Now i'm pissed...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 10-06-2009, 23:06:30
I'm almost glad that it's modern, it would be painful to see the Second World War after what I know now.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 10-06-2009, 23:06:21
God help them if the player limit is less than 64. On the other hand they would win my respect if they increased it, think of the possibilities.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-06-2009, 23:06:58
The cold war would have been a nice theme........

And if EA was smart, they would made tanking a bit like current FH2 tanking..

And ofcourse many and many diffrent kinds of vehicles, not just one tank, APC, SPAAG per army

But then again, it is and still is And remains EA
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 10-06-2009, 23:06:40
The cold war would have been a nice theme........

And if EA was smart, they would made tanking a bit like current FH2 tanking..

And ofcourse many and many diffrent kinds of vehicles, not just one tank, APC, SPAAG per army

But then again, it is and still is And remains EA
They had Multiple tanks in 42, the reason that they dont in bf2 is because the usa only uses one MBT so if they were to make say a cold war game there is the possibility of at least 2 tanks per nation.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 10-06-2009, 23:06:30
I'm Excited, long time fan, and I will not hesitate to buy this, even if it sucks. Hell I bought their PS2 iteration, and that sucked, but I still have it. I own every battlefield game to date. Why stop now?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-06-2009, 23:06:07
The cold war would have been a nice theme........

And if EA was smart, they would made tanking a bit like current FH2 tanking..

And ofcourse many and many diffrent kinds of vehicles, not just one tank, APC, SPAAG per army

But then again, it is and still is And remains EA
They had Multiple tanks in 42, the reason that they dont in bf2 is because the usa only uses one MBT so if they were to make say a cold war game there is the possibility of at least 2 tanks per nation.
More please

Soviets= T-64   T-72   T-80
USA=M48    M60    M1

If a cold war really erupted, in the end, it would probaly look like this

Old types like the Pattons or Even T-62 would be pressed into service(Since they where built so massivly)

If EA makes a new Battlefield, i hope they do this

-Way more vehicles and Vehicle types
-Re-introduction of mannable Artillery
-Diffrent types of Ammo
-Decent Balance between Anti-tank vs Tank and Anti-air vs Air( Bf2 was horrible on the last one..)
-128 players
-This time, Decent support(Doubt it)

If it is modern or Cold war(I prefer cold war though ;D), all fine by me, but no more World war 2 please. Let us stick to Forgotten hope for this
Then again, only hopes.......But im defiantly buying it
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 10-06-2009, 23:06:23
I'm Excited, long time fan, and I will not hesitate to buy this, even if it sucks. Hell I bought their PS2 iteration, and that sucked, but I still have it. I own every battlefield game to date. Why stop now?

Oh Christ...

 :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 10-06-2009, 23:06:00
I'm Excited, long time fan, and I will not hesitate to buy this, even if it sucks. Hell I bought their PS2 iteration, and that sucked, but I still have it. I own every battlefield game to date. Why stop now?

Oh Christ...

 :P
I dont understand why people hate on the battlefield franchise so much, most of the games are pretty good actually. No they are not perfect but this is reality, out of all the games ive played bf2/1942/2142/BC have better replay value then most games out there.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 11-06-2009, 00:06:27
As long as they increase the player size, make fastroping possible and still give out mod tools I am a happy person
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 11-06-2009, 00:06:22
There's also this (http://www.digitalbattle.com/2007/10/09/breaking-battlefield-3-leaked-info/) old rumour that was met with the usual "no comments" from EA & DICE that would suggest modern setting for BF3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Niam on 11-06-2009, 00:06:12
I would love Cold War, especially if they would choose the Korean War period (WW2 hand weapons, Sabres and T-34s make me drooling  8) ).  But in the end it's EA, therefore I would be quite surprised if they choose so. 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: jumjum on 11-06-2009, 02:06:57
And in 18 months we're going to be waiting for FH3 to come out, bitching about how DICE somehow managed to make a crappy engine three times in a row. 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: The Crimson Major on 11-06-2009, 03:06:28
If this is a PC exclusive, it might actually be good. But I doubt it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: General_Henry on 11-06-2009, 03:06:35
I would love Cold War, especially if they would choose the Korean War period (WW2 hand weapons, Sabres and T-34s make me drooling  8) ).  But in the end it's EA, therefore I would be quite surprised if they choose so. 

Korean war wouldn't be playable, how would you suppose to take out an American Pershing without any HEAT weapons. The Chinese volunteers don't have any tanks, any AT guns...all they got are satchel charges or perhaps captured bazookas, The Korean armies are all jokes.

Unless you mean there are only 40 people in UN side and 70 people in the Communist side.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Niam on 11-06-2009, 04:06:51
Actually, I meant a "Cold War gone hot" scenario with US vs. USSR, using the equipment available during the early 50's.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 11-06-2009, 04:06:08
Well I'm just about the biggest Korean war buff I know..... The NK used T-34 tanks and had Russian pilots in MiG-15's to battle the sexy F-86 Sabre and there were so many times the Americans/UN came across T-100's Tank hunters and T34 against the M26 Pershing. Don't forget that the Chinese had the Tommy guns that the Americans gave them in WW2 and had many soviet and left over German guns/copies that they made themselves.... Don't underestimate the NK and Chinese from that era...that was 3 years of horrible fighting bro, my grandpa was there and he saw many bad things happen. ;)

Have you guys not heard about the BFKorea mod? :P

http://bf-korea.de/
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 11-06-2009, 04:06:45
We have, and many have helped actively supported/even worked on it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 11-06-2009, 05:06:47
Hehe, well actually I was referring to General_Henry & Niam, I know that the FH2 team have helped out some along the way. However the BFK team does appreciate the help when its given. (HINT, HINT)  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: General_Henry on 11-06-2009, 05:06:22
Actually, I meant a "Cold War gone hot" scenario with US vs. USSR, using the equipment available during the early 50's.

that's cool enough. T34 as a "recon" tank!.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Meadow on 11-06-2009, 08:06:43
It'll be modern, let's face it. I don't mind that much, I do actually enjoy a big modern battle once in a while. I just hope they have more armies than the USA, China and 'MEC' from the start again - obviously the Brits would be nice, or the Germans, but I'd settle for the 'EU' again, like in BF2: Modern Combat.

In terms of player numbers, it needs to be at least 64. And I have a feeling this will indeed be a PC exclusive, as BFBC2 seems geared towards the console market, freeing the PC team up to produce a more taxing (but inherently better) BF game for PCs. So here's hoping.

Oh, and I still think that PDF from 2007 was bullshit. So much stuff on there was what everyone was predicting and DICE themselves blew it out of the water when they said 'we don't comment on rumours and speculation' - practically stating that it was just speculation.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 11-06-2009, 09:06:25
I'm Excited, long time fan, and I will not hesitate to buy this, even if it sucks. Hell I bought their PS2 iteration, and that sucked, but I still have it. I own every battlefield game to date. Why stop now?
I have them all aswell, i even have the WWI one that looks so horrible.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 11-06-2009, 09:06:29
I'm Excited, long time fan, and I will not hesitate to buy this, even if it sucks. Hell I bought their PS2 iteration, and that sucked, but I still have it. I own every battlefield game to date. Why stop now?
(http://will.incorrige.us/facepalm/picard.jpeg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: GooGeL on 11-06-2009, 09:06:08
Give Vietnam!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 11-06-2009, 10:06:35
I'm Excited, long time fan, and I will not hesitate to buy this, even if it sucks. Hell I bought their PS2 iteration, and that sucked, but I still have it. I own every battlefield game to date. Why stop now?
I have them all aswell, i even have the WWI one that looks so horrible.

There is no WWI Battlefield game  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 11-06-2009, 10:06:05
I'm not going to form any special opinion until I see/know more of it.. but from what I've heard from here and there, I'm interested.

Although I'd love to see a hot cold war, I really doubt we'll see that. And I've heard something about it being planned for a PC, and perhaps ported to consoles instead of the other way around, like with BFBC, BFBC2 & BF43. Exclusive for PC? I doubt it..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: BUNNY on 11-06-2009, 10:06:51
Give Vietnam!

Fucking A!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 11-06-2009, 10:06:35
I'm Excited, long time fan, and I will not hesitate to buy this, even if it sucks. Hell I bought their PS2 iteration, and that sucked, but I still have it. I own every battlefield game to date. Why stop now?
I have them all aswell, i even have the WWI one that looks so horrible.

There is no WWI Battlefield game  ;)

You know a game called codename eagle? The great grand father of Battlefield 1942. Its kinda like WWI with biplanes and so on.

Awsomely fun game even though its old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtUrwcRF0PA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtUrwcRF0PA&feature=related)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Moku on 11-06-2009, 11:06:30
I really hope its a PC only so they are burdened by the consoles... Although I do fear its not going to be that way as consoles are so much bigger market these days. :(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 11-06-2009, 11:06:54
Give Vietnam!
Yes! I fully support this. This era is underdone and from all Vanilla BF games I enjoyed Vietnam the most.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 11-06-2009, 11:06:46
I hope they have 128 players or more support and that it wil be full of ...... zombies !!! :o
What is up with all those zombies games these days.
It seems even Alan Wake is turned into a zombie kinda of game and I was really hoping a Twin Peaks style.

But this thread is about BF3 so enough about the zombies rant. I am really looking forward to this, curious to see what new features will be implemented.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kubador on 11-06-2009, 11:06:00
Don't keep your expectations high until they list game features.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: lt_FJ on 11-06-2009, 11:06:23
what people should be really hoping for is that DICE and EA make better and easier modding tools than those they distributed with BF2.
I recall many of the devs said development was slow at first because of the tools they had (and lack of support) and the limitations they were trying to bypass constantly.
Also, keeping it PC exclusive helps a lot.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 11-06-2009, 11:06:21
what people should be really hoping for is that DICE and EA make better and easier modding tools than those they distributed with BF2.
I recall many of the devs said development was slow at first because of the tools they had (and lack of support) and the limitations they were trying to bypass constantly.
Also, keeping it PC exclusive helps a lot.

I'm afraid that's whishfull thinking.
Afaik they won't produce another editor.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 11-06-2009, 12:06:55
what people should be really hoping for is that DICE and EA make better and easier modding tools than those they distributed with BF2.
I recall many of the devs said development was slow at first because of the tools they had (and lack of support) and the limitations they were trying to bypass constantly.
Also, keeping it PC exclusive helps a lot.

BF2 modding tools are surprisingly a lot better then BF1942's, and faster then 90% of other games out there. We got nothing to complain about really, even though there are things which would help. For example not having to reboot editor every time you want to reload an animation. Atleast we don't have to load BF2 each time we want to test just a minor change to a tank, which we had to in 1942.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tiny on 11-06-2009, 13:06:56
So where does this put BF Heroes, BF 1943 and foremost Bad Company 2?...I mean, where is their focus...

Anyways, I would like it to be PC only and Cold War or WW1.

Maybe...just maybe...BF3 will be PC exclusive, then BF 1, 2 and 3 are all PC exclusive. And all the other crap mentioned above will be food for the console people.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: von.small on 11-06-2009, 13:06:06
BF3 is for consoles, it's a single player orientated pile of stinking shit, the frostbite engine still does not work on 90% of PCs, it will be another 3-4 years before the average hardware of the PC owner can run the destructble environment that BF1943 offers, then another 8-10 years before the average internet connection can support that environment in multiplayer modes.  Even then, without proper testing who knows what "every noob scrambling for a plane and throwing everything they have at the hillside to destroy every tree in the first 30 seconds of gaming" will do.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 11-06-2009, 13:06:14
Destructible environments have to be the most overrate gameplay elements ever.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 11-06-2009, 13:06:13
I bet it´s made to work on consoles, so the player number will be low and I´m quite sure they go for some no-so-far-future theme with pimped up guns and stuff like in Host Recon Advanced Warfighter. A "Cold War gone hot"-scenario with 128 players would be awesome, but we´re talking about EA....
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: von.small on 11-06-2009, 13:06:49
Destructible environments have to be the most overrate gameplay elements ever.

(  ;) ) yeah I totally hate it when the fence on Bardia gets blown! And the wall is breached on Supercharge, major suckage!  ;D


I bet it´s made to work on consoles, so the player number will be low and I´m quite sure they go for some no-so-far-future theme with pimped up guns and stuff like in Host Recon Advanced Warfighter. A "Cold War gone hot"-scenario with 128 players would be awesome, but we´re talking about EA....

? Did you even look at the link, it's based in the Pacific 1943.  US vs IJN forces.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 11-06-2009, 13:06:20
Have you guys not heard about the BFKorea mod? :P

http://bf-korea.de/

That mod is dead  :'(

Don't keep your expectations high until they list game features.

Or they make one of those shiny EA trailers  ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ionizer on 11-06-2009, 13:06:46
Destructible environments have to be the most overrate gameplay elements ever.

(  ;) ) yeah I totally hate it when the fence on Bardia gets blown! And the wall is breached on Supercharge, major suckage!  ;D

Small things like the stuff in FH2 are good for gameplay.  When in moderation and specifically made to enhance the gameplay experience, its good.

Shooting 1,000,000 round straight down so you can bore a hole into the Earth's core: Not so great and not helpful to gameplay.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 11-06-2009, 13:06:07


? Did you even look at the link, it's based in the Pacific 1943.  US vs IJN forces.
Excuse me, but where does it say that?
The screen on the top is from the other Battlefield game "Battlefield 1943", not from BF3. Two different pairs of shoes AFAIK.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 11-06-2009, 13:06:54
Destructible environments have to be the most overrate gameplay elements ever.

(  ;) ) yeah I totally hate it when the fence on Bardia gets blown! And the wall is breached on Supercharge, major suckage!  ;D

If having destroyable stuff on a map means a major reduction in player numbers as in BFBC2 where they go down to 32p or less, then I don't give a rats as if you can blast a fence or not.
  
There is a good reason why FH2 has only few of those objects! More players more epic WW2 fun!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 11-06-2009, 13:06:52
Yeah guys, Bad Company 2 and Battlefield 1943 are both not Battlefield 3. Confirmed by the big boss of Battlefield.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ltn.Charles on 11-06-2009, 14:06:22
I say Vietnam era, Battlefield Vietnam was truly an awesome game, and i still play it!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 11-06-2009, 14:06:33
I agree, I never got the chance to try BF Vietnam, but by far it looked like the best vanilla BF.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 11-06-2009, 15:06:22
Comes no surprise to anyone when I say I didnt enjoy BFV that much. It was fun for a moment but then I got bored with it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 11-06-2009, 15:06:26
Destructible environments have to be the most overrate gameplay elements ever.

Not if done properly, which no game has to this point afaik. We'll probably not see well made destructable enviroments for a good time into the future.
Problem is, with today's methods, destructable environments require to much manpower for a modification to make. Basically you'll need half the development team working on it. This is true for game studios aswell, but they can hire extra staff or outsource it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: CBC on 11-06-2009, 15:06:36
all I can say is "WOW"'

I really think that DICE has shifted their concentration to consoles, with games like Bad Company series and 1943.

Since they said Battlefield 3 and something about seriousness, hardcore and all that, I beleieve it's for PC only, because Bad Company and upcoming 1943 are no where near hardcore. Talking about the time the game takes place, there is almost no doubt about Modern Day (or at least the Cold War, it would be super awesome if it's the REAL WWIII, not some resource war in BF2)

What I really want in that games are the following:
1. Please, more player, 128 will be good.
2. enhance that squad/commander system, that's one of the biggest selling points of BF2, don't downgrade it to the cheesy Bad Company style!
3. ADD SUPPORT FOR NAVAL VESSELS!
4, Weapon customizations, more kit gadgets.
5. It's fine to keep the jets.. I suggest three types, Air Superioty Fighter (with different types of missiles), Fighter bombers (good against both air and ground, but doesn't dominate neither), and a CAS plane (heavy weaponary, low speed, vunerable to AA and enenmy jets),
6. Finally, more vehicle types. For the vanilla game, I think MBT, Medium Tank, IFV, APC, light and heavy transport should be there. For air, see #5, and for sea, real aircraft carriers, guided missle destroyer(maybe cruiser for US- ;D), PT boat, and some sort of landing craft. Helo wise, I would like to see a World in Conflict layout, Heavy Attack Helicopter (AH-64, Mi-24), Medium Attack Helicopter (AH-1, Mi-27), Scout Helicopter (AH-6), and transport helicopter..
7. One more thing, I would love to see more people in a vehicle, like in a black hawk, a full chalk of 12 men, 2 pilots, and 2 crew chiefs and the sweetest.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sir Apple on 11-06-2009, 15:06:51
I'd be looking forward to this game provided it doesn't look stupid like the battlefields after 2142 do.

Yeah... thats pretty much it - they look stupid.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Von Tiger on 11-06-2009, 16:06:07
Maybe some allies for USA (it surely will be in). British, Israel?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tiny on 11-06-2009, 16:06:23
Time will tell...

Hopefully they will get the hitbox working this time around as well.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Nerdsturm on 11-06-2009, 16:06:05
Destructible environments have to be the most overrate gameplay elements ever.

Not if done properly, which no game has to this point afaik. We'll probably not see well made destructable enviroments for a good time into the future.
There have been games where it has implemented well, just not any FPSs. For instance the destructible environments in CoH create some interesting situations gameplay wise and don't seem too unrealistic up until tanks come along and crush everything on the entire map.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 11-06-2009, 16:06:21
Maybe some allies for USA (it surely will be in). British, Israel?
Well someone had a link to a "leaked info" page. Not sure if it was true or not but it mentioned NATO as one of the factions.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 11-06-2009, 16:06:12
There's also this (http://www.digitalbattle.com/2007/10/09/breaking-battlefield-3-leaked-info/) old rumour that was met with the usual "no comments" from EA & DICE that would suggest modern setting for BF3.
ahh here it it, sorry for double post(hint click :this:)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 11-06-2009, 16:06:29
I bet it´s made to work on consoles, so the player number will be low and I´m quite sure they go for some no-so-far-future theme with pimped up guns and stuff like in Host Recon Advanced Warfighter. A "Cold War gone hot"-scenario with 128 players would be awesome, but we´re talking about EA....

  Let us not throw all consoles under the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHML9SpH8NY

256 players online.  You may not see it on shit systems like the WII or 360 but it can be done.  There is hope!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 11-06-2009, 16:06:40
BF3 is for consoles, it's a single player orientated pile of stinking shit, the frostbite engine still does not work on 90% of PCs, it will be another 3-4 years before the average hardware of the PC owner can run the destructble environment that BF1943 offers, then another 8-10 years before the average internet connection can support that environment in multiplayer modes.  Even then, without proper testing who knows what "every noob scrambling for a plane and throwing everything they have at the hillside to destroy every tree in the first 30 seconds of gaming" will do.


Did you just wake up from a bad dream or something? what are you even talking about, please stop  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: von.small on 11-06-2009, 16:06:53
heres the offical soundtrack revamp from EA, "I'm totally totally serial"

YES YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjgKLRg5p4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjgKLRg5p4)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eat Uranium on 11-06-2009, 18:06:14
Hmm.  The phrase "whoop-ti-do" comes to mind.  Maybe I'll buy this, probably I won't.  Of course you can all speculate about features you want, and you can all retort things with the old one liner "its EA we're talking about here", but really there is no point in coming to a decision untill atleast some concrete info is released.

So when the features are announced and a trailer video is out, can someone call be and ask me for my opinion please.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 11-06-2009, 21:06:07
Have you guys not heard about the BFKorea mod? :P

http://bf-korea.de/

That mod is dead  :'(

Not true...... :'(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sir Apple on 11-06-2009, 21:06:21
Have you guys not heard about the BFKorea mod? :P

http://bf-korea.de/

That mod is dead  :'(

Not true...... :'(

To put it forward, I'm the most active BFK dev - and I'm not even doing any work for BFK anymore.

Maybe the Summertime will bring new light  :P.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 11-06-2009, 21:06:29
Well I can only hope so Apple, but who knows? ::)

Okay back to topic. Yes I would love to see a cold war Battlefield but I don't see it happening anytime soon.I can hope that 1943 can be modded SOMEHOW but with no proper mod tools or SDK I have no idea how ppl would go about modding 43......or BC2 for that matter. :(

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 11-06-2009, 22:06:50
Well I can only hope so Apple, but who knows? ::)

Okay back to topic. Yes I would love to see a cold war Battlefield but I don't see it happening anytime soon.I can hope that 1943 can be modded SOMEHOW but with no proper mod tools or SDK I have no idea how ppl would go about modding 43......or BC2 for that matter. :(



Just because a game has no mod tools or SDK doesnt mean it will not be modded. Experts in the modding community have been making their own tools for decades. Just look at Editor 42, or RFA Extractor, both are 3rd Party tools made by modders for bf1942.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 11-06-2009, 23:06:09
Well I can only hope so Apple, but who knows? ::)

Okay back to topic. Yes I would love to see a cold war Battlefield but I don't see it happening anytime soon.I can hope that 1943 can be modded SOMEHOW but with no proper mod tools or SDK I have no idea how ppl would go about modding 43......or BC2 for that matter. :(



Just because a game has no mod tools or SDK doesnt mean it will not be modded. Experts in the modding community have been making their own tools for decades. Just look at Editor 42, or RFA Extractor, both are 3rd Party tools made by modders for bf1942.

Actually all the tools are 3rd party in a way. They were all first developed independantly, then EA hired Rexman and the battlecraft guy so they could stick their logo on it. Dice used a completely different set of tools to make BF42. So it stands true that Dice never intended for BF42 to be modded, and the community alone made it possible. So even if BF3 doesn't come with mod tools, it could still be modded. May just take some more time. On the other hand, I don't see why Dice wouldn't release the exporter and editor for frostbyte, they'd loose nothing.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 12-06-2009, 03:06:03
Well that's all true and valid points you made Kev. I will only get BF43 if modders can add more maps and give it more realism. I t would be kool if someone made a mod like their was for bfvietnam where all the maps/weapons/models were converted to the newer game engine and you even got a flamethrower kit. That would be friken epic guys.  8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: General_Henry on 12-06-2009, 04:06:52
Destructible environments have to be the most overrate gameplay elements ever.

imagine FH2's environment being destructable, a few commander arty call = a town wiped out. Who would need to fight over those towns in supercharge?


my imagination is to have super-big and super detailed maps if things really become destructable, and a totally revised spawn system and fighting concept. Well i guess that isn't easy, if not impossible...wait till 2050 !
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [ret]azreal on 12-06-2009, 04:06:46
For example not having to reboot editor every time you want to reload an animation.

You don't have to Kev. Just hit the "populate animation tree" button. Then go find your animation, and play it. Go back to max, do some tweaks, re-export it, then go back into editor. Choose like the animation directly above your edited one, then select your edited animation and walah! It should have updated.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 12-06-2009, 04:06:05
I believe the term is "Voila!", not "Walah!".
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 12-06-2009, 04:06:53
Lol oh how many times have I seen ppl spell it that way on the interwebz.......Funny thing is, they all spell it exactly the same "Walah" hehe. ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 12-06-2009, 05:06:59
It's Voilà with an à not an a
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 12-06-2009, 05:06:53
Perhaps American kb's have no special letters? :'(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 12-06-2009, 05:06:40
BF3 is pretty much the only chance EA/Dice has to regain any respect from me. They've delivered crap for such a long time (mainly for consoles, and meh ports for PC) that this is their only opportunity to make any good on all their mistakes.

My hope is that this is a purely PC targeted game, without any "dum-downs" and real innovation when it comes to graphics and gameplay. I'm tired of getting watered down console games -- give us a REAL Battlefield sequel, assuming you guys even know how to do that anymore!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 12-06-2009, 13:06:53
Not true...... :'(
Then why aren't there any updates or forum posts?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 12-06-2009, 13:06:43
Theres alot happening backscreen Hawkeye. They are making progress but with around 3 devs who are all inactive you can't expect a weekly update as with FH2 and their 25 man team.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 12-06-2009, 14:06:34
Theres alot happening backscreen Hawkeye. They are making progress but with around 3 devs who are all inactive you can't expect a weekly update as with FH2 and their 25 man team.

I know, I just check their site every once in a while and I always get that 2008 update.  :-[
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-06-2009, 16:06:06
There are two trends in the FPS industry they will probably follow:

-gritty look (á CoD5)
-upgradable weapons and kits

Especially for the last one a modern or future scenario is the best bet.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 12-06-2009, 16:06:43
Perhaps American kb's have no special letters? :'(
I ain't no Yankee, you fool, I'm English!  And forgive me, I always forget the accenty thingys. 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Mspfc Doc DuFresne on 12-06-2009, 20:06:10
Special Letters?! You have a keyboard with letters like that?!

Over here in the states it is agonizing typing something in a foreign language, desperately remembering which combination of vowel, apostrophe, shift, alt, spacebar, control, and in what order, in order for MS Word to put in a funky symbol. For spanish class I modified it so that the special letters all work by holding down control + alt+ letter + shift (for capitals).

My mos special letter on my keyboard is the ~
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-06-2009, 20:06:05
I have ä, ö, ü and the french á thing can easily be done, as well as â and €.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 12-06-2009, 21:06:29
€ means Euro not é. And â isnt a french letter.

éêèàù
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-06-2009, 21:06:37
I know that € means Euro. I only meant á as a french letter.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 12-06-2009, 21:06:50
We have 2 A. A and À not á
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tedacious on 12-06-2009, 21:06:57
å ä ö ñ õ ü û â î á à é è ú ù ÿ
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 12-06-2009, 21:06:36
FatJoe, we need you and your silly letters.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 12-06-2009, 22:06:10
Theres alot happening backscreen Hawkeye. They are making progress but with around 3 devs who are all inactive you can't expect a weekly update as with FH2 and their 25 man team.

I know, I just check their site every once in a while and I always get that 2008 update.  :-[

Yes, you must remember to look in the workbench threads if you are to see anything new. :P


Perhaps American kb's have no special letters? :'(
I ain't no Yankee, you fool, I'm English!  And forgive me, I always forget the accenty thingys. 

Aye mybad, but you guys must know that we dont have a need for such characters in the new world.....Which is utter rubish. I have a hard time writing Deutsche because I have no umlates.... ::)

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kubador on 13-06-2009, 00:06:37
ą ć ę ń ó ł ż ź ś sz cz dż rz

And tho are no mere actents but seperate letters. Hah!

This is going fancy off-topic.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 13-06-2009, 07:06:27
Super-Duper-Off topic! Nicht mehr bitte? ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 13-06-2009, 07:06:55
You're noob.

Common start IL2 Already!  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Anthony817 on 13-06-2009, 07:06:56
Well, can we play IL2 1946 Korean war mod?  F-86 Sabres and Mig-15's FTW?

http://forum.bf-korea.com/thread.php?postid=14875#post14875
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Admiral Donutz on 13-06-2009, 16:06:18
What has an American keyboard got to do with the (easy) ability to type accents on letters?

In the Netherlands we use a US (International) keyboard, you're normal QWERTY keyboad. But the language setting is "Dutch". Which means that if you press down the ' key (just left of the enter key ad right of the ; key) and then a vowel key like a/e/o/u/i you will get á/é/ó/ú/í. Same with the ` (just left of the 1 key) which results in à/è/ù etc.  The ^ key (shift+6) with â/û etc.

Other options are the double quote key (shift + ' , they key which is left oft he enter key and right of the ; key)  and a vowel: ä/ö/ü etc.

Or ctrl-alt key combinations:

ctrl-alt-` =   nothing
ctrl-alt-1 = ¡ (upside down exlimation mark)
ctrl-alt-2 = ²
ctrl-alt-3 = ³
ctrl-alt-4 = ¤
ctrl-alt-5 = €
ctrl-alt-6 = ¼
ctrl-alt-7 = ½
ctrl-alt-8 = ¾
ctrl-alt-9 = ‘
ctrl-alt-10 = ’¥
ctrl-alt-- = ¥
ctrl-alt-= = ×

ctrl-alt-q = ä
ctrl-alt-w =  å
ctrl-alt-e = é
ctrl-alt-r = ®
ctrl-alt-t = þ
ctrl-alt-u = ú
ctrl-alt-i = í
ctrl-alt-o = ó
ctrl-alt-p =  ö
ctrl-alt-[ = «
ctrl-alt-] = »
ctrl-alt-\ =  ¬

ctrl-alt-a = á
ctrl-alt-s = ß
ctrl-alt-d = ð
ctrl-alt-f =   nothing
ctrl-alt-g =     nothing
ctrl-alt-h =   nothing
ctrl-alt-j =   nothing
ctrl-alt-k =   nothing
ctrl-alt-l = ø
ctrl-alt-; = ¶
ctrl-alt-' = ´

ctrl-alt-z = æ
ctrl-alt-x =      nothing
ctrl-alt-c = ©
ctrl-alt-v =     nothing
ctrl-alt-b =    nothing
ctrl-alt-n = ñ
ctrl-alt-m = µ
ctrl-alt-, = ç
ctrl-alt-. =     nothing
ctrl-alt-/ = ¿ (the same key which gets you a question mark so that's why)

ctrl-alt-shift-1 = ¹
ctrl-alt-shift-4 = £
ctrl-alt-shift-= = ÷
ctrl-alt-shift-A = Ä
ctrl-alt-shift-s = §
ctrl-alt-shift-d = Ð
ctrl-alt-shift-l = Ø
ctrl-alt-shift-; = °
ctrl-alt-shift-' = ¨
ctrl-alt-shift-z = Æ
ctrl-alt-shift-c = ¢
ctrl-alt-shift-n = Ñ
ctrl-alt-shift-,  = Ç

You can change the keyboard (ea tell our computer the type of keyboard connected to your computer, if it's a US one, French one, Dutch one [very rare to see a Dutch kayout keyboard!] etc.) and language settings for your keyboard (which language it should apply to the keyboar input: English, Dutch, French etc. Playing around with this cna result in very funny outcomes on what happens if you press a certain key. It can be found under windows XP in :control panel > Countrysettings (image of a globe) or in Dutch windows XP "Configuratie scherm > Landinstellingen". Ofcourse not all language versiosn of windows may have this feature.

Picture of the control panel option for language input:
(http://www.pcleek.com/images/stories/functionaliteitxp/toetsenbordinstelling1.gif)
(http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1124822573.png)


^ As you may guess, I care very little about BF3. Perhaps if it is a cold war based settin but of ti's a modern war game again I'll go meh.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 13-06-2009, 17:06:58
This is officially the most boring conversation I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 13-06-2009, 17:06:29
This is officially the most boring conversation I've ever seen.

+6

Gotta admit it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 13-06-2009, 18:06:58
FatJoe, we need you and your silly letters.

ÞþÆæÐð

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 13-06-2009, 18:06:47





Ooh, that's useful, looks a lot better than ":p"
I mean really, whose tongue is that far to the side?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Admiral Donutz on 13-06-2009, 19:06:07





Ooh, that's useful, looks a lot better than ":p"
I mean really, whose tongue is that far to the side?
Indeed, I'll use ctrl-alt-t much more often now (never used it in the past to except once or twice... :þ).

Does ctrl+alt+KEYHERE work in Swedish/Icelandish/... windows?

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tedacious on 13-06-2009, 19:06:08
This is officially the most boring conversation I've ever seen.
to be honest it was donutz that made it boring. he overdid it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 13-06-2009, 19:06:31
No the ctrl+alt+t combination doesn't work, atleast here in Finland and i think other nordic countries windows have the same problem. BOOO, well this one looks even better  :P .

Oh and one letter is still missing -> ï.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 13-06-2009, 20:06:59
Guys seriusly, this is a damn Battlefield 3 thread, not a keyboard one.


ÑÇ¡¡¿¿
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 14-06-2009, 03:06:27
ßØ×☼ᗔ㳆҅卐
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zero on 14-06-2009, 06:06:13
if it wasn't for þat damned gutenburg preß ƿe'd still have þorn in english! (printed "ye olde englisch" ƿas ƿritten by hand "þe olde ænglisch" and pronounced the same as modern "the old english")
so from now on i will only post with þorn(thorn). and also eð(eth), æsh(ash), yoȝ (yogh), and ƿynn(wynn) to counter act the damage done by norman scribes in england ƿith their latin fetish(not to mention "never ending with a preposition" is gone as ƿell. more latin savagery). also i ƿill borrow the "sharp S"(ƿhy streß, erszett?), because it is just cool.
perhaps even i will bring back the "long S"(i ƿill be ſucceſsfull, yes), U/V dyslexia(it is nauȝt euil!), and borrow umlauts and diæreses(it's not reëngineering a language).  ƿhile ƿe're at it let's bring back the nominative "ye" (ye know you love it). or our beloved "þou" form(thou knowest thee lovest it, more).
indubitably, more language reforms(i prefer "revertisments") to follow after i have sat and pontificated and hypothicated further. infractions will be punishable by DEAÐ (on an FH2 server of course).

ÞþÆæÐð


(i knoƿ i can count on þat joe guy's support.)


----------------------------------------------------
on a side note, bf3+modern=blegh
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Gl@mRock on 14-06-2009, 06:06:45
€ means Euro not é. And â isnt a french letter.

éêèàù

Off topic

"â" exist in french. Pâtes (pasta) takes an "^" on the A.  ;)

/Off topic
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 14-06-2009, 19:06:40
€ means Euro not é. And â isnt a french letter.

éêèàù

Off topic

"â" exist in french. Pâtes (pasta) takes an "^" on the A.  ;)

/Off topic


Damn right. Sorry I made a big mistake.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [ret]azreal on 04-01-2011, 08:01:09
Bump! I bought the new Medal of Honor slightly so that I could have access to the BF3 beta, so I'm happy at the thought of a beta in the opening months of summer (hopefully).

http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com/content.php?3836-Riccitiello-Battlefield-3-out-in-%E2%80%9Csecond-half%E2%80%9D-2011
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-01-2011, 08:01:50
Bump! I bought the new Medal of Honor slightly so that I could have access to the BF3 beta, so I'm happy at the thought of a beta in the opening months of summer (hopefully).

Don't tell me you got duped into that scam... poor Az...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 04-01-2011, 08:01:32
derp

Don't tell me you got duped into that scam... poor Az...

I thought it was Natty that said that for a moment xDD
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: im_a_lazy_sod on 04-01-2011, 08:01:11
The only good Medal of Honor was the original Medal of Honor - same title, different game

If BF3 comes with an SDK I'll eat my hat  :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 04-01-2011, 08:01:13
Ohh please you stupid cunts.....If he gets the beta and it is full of modible files then we might have some hope.  Let us sit and wait......
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-01-2011, 08:01:14
Ohh please you stupid cunts.....If he gets the beta and it is full of modible files then we might have some hope.  Let us sit and wait......

Sober up you drunkard. ^^ I then just hope that he bought the correct version of MoH. ;) They even tried to fool people there into buying the expensive version. I was quite disgusted to be frank. ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: im_a_lazy_sod on 04-01-2011, 08:01:42
Hahaha

Just had a look on the BF3 site and they have a section for mods both on the main page and in the forum

Promising much?  Will be interesting to see if they do have an SDK - AFAIK BFBC2 didn't have a mods section in the forum

Fingers crossed  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-01-2011, 08:01:31
It's all PR, I will only believe it once they release an editor. The mod section can be deleted by the press of a button and then they're like: "What? Mod-support? No one ever mentioned that! No not us!" ^^
It's like the rumour about BF3 being designed for a PC release before the consoles.... yeah right and I shit gold nuggets after my morning coffee... ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: im_a_lazy_sod on 04-01-2011, 08:01:19
Yeah I'm not holding my breath until something is finalised

Here's hoping though >.<

On an unrelated matter:

I am still hoping for 2k to use the Mafia II game engine for Hidden & Dangerous 3 (nothing has been announced in any way shape or form thus far for H&D3 but one can only hope)

the game engine is very, very nice and would no doubt run better with smaller maps and all the elements for HD3 are already there (bar the first person shooter aspect which is probably the biggest problem of all)

It already has stealth, cover, vehicle driving, using mounted weapons + a whole host of ww2 weapons (m1 Garand, Colt1911) and already has a ww2 level featuring a Wespe (the only game other than BF1942 that I know of to use one), Willys Jeep and Sherman + both Italian and German weapons such as the Breda SMG, Mp40, Mauser pistol
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Gezoes on 04-01-2011, 13:01:06
It's all PR, I will only believe it once they release an editor. The mod section can be deleted by the press of a button and then they're like: "What? Mod-support? No one ever mentioned that! No not us!" ^^
It's like the rumour about BF3 being designed for a PC release before the consoles.... yeah right and I shit gold nuggets after my morning coffee... ^^

There could also be NO mod section at all. Only thing we really know for sure is that it will not support XP.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 04-01-2011, 14:01:18
What I really think is not that big thing to be missed anyways.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 04-01-2011, 14:01:37
Guys, until EA officially drops the bomb and says "no mods", they will say "it is not yet decided", so naturally they keep the "Mods" heading there.

On the other hand, I place much more belief in that DICE guy who went on to explain in painstaking detail why modding tools for Frostbite1/2 or any other "too modern" engine are not likely to happen ever, and then inserted the legally required "I have not been informed whether there will be mod support or not for BF3".
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 04-01-2011, 21:01:59
Guys, until EA officially drops the bomb and says "no mods", they will say "it is not yet decided", so naturally they keep the "Mods" heading there.

On the other hand, I place much more belief in that DICE guy who went on to explain in painstaking detail why modding tools for Frostbite1/2 or any other "too modern" engine are not likely to happen ever, and then inserted the legally required "I have not been informed whether there will be mod support or not for BF3".

They exist you know? I saw a leaked pic of the frostbite editor, and it was like the rest. Its probably most likely they dont want to release them because it will mean less sales from the "DLC".
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 04-01-2011, 21:01:08
Guys, until EA officially drops the bomb and says "no mods", they will say "it is not yet decided", so naturally they keep the "Mods" heading there.

On the other hand, I place much more belief in that DICE guy who went on to explain in painstaking detail why modding tools for Frostbite1/2 or any other "too modern" engine are not likely to happen ever, and then inserted the legally required "I have not been informed whether there will be mod support or not for BF3".

They exist you know? I saw a leaked pic of the frostbite editor, and it was like the rest. Its probably most likely they dont want to release them because it will mean less sales from the "DLC".

maybe you want to share this picture?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-01-2011, 22:01:48
maybe you want to share this picture?

I've seen it posted dozens of places.  Sure thing they have an editor, how else should their mappers make maps, it's called FrostEd last I heard, but afaik the legal issues with releasing that editor aren't up for discussion.

Here is a link where you can see it at work: http://developer.amd.com/media/gpu_assets/Andersson-Tatarchuk-FrostbiteRenderingArchitecture%28GDC07_AMD_Session%29.pdf
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 05-01-2011, 11:01:47
Quote
“I’d be shocked if we didn’t take a notch out of [Activision],” he continued.

Riccitiello added that BF3 would be “designed to be the one that is the big leap forward; the one that is going to help a lot” in competing with CoD.
- http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com/content.php?3836-Riccitiello-Battlefield-3-out-in-%E2%80%9Csecond-half%E2%80%9D-2011


This isn't the first time I've seen someone from EA/DICE claim BF3 is gonna blow us all away, and I'm starting to get the impression that it's not just hype...

Think about it, most Battlefield fans would rather play BF2 (or one of it's mods) than BC/BC2, and I can almost guarantee that the sales figures for both games combined (incl. console sales) don't come anywhere near BF2.

EA have been getting fucking smashed by Activision in FPS sales for years, and I can't imagine them being happy with that....


They've got something up their sleeve, and we'll know soon enough whether it's a masterstroke or an abject failure.


Christ, they could just remake BF2, adding BC2's destructible environment and shiny GFX, and it'd probably sell like crazy. I know I'd fall over my self in my rush to buy it... :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 05-01-2011, 15:01:58
Any word on the total players amount?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 05-01-2011, 15:01:55
They exist you know? I saw a leaked pic of the frostbite editor, and it was like the rest. Its probably most likely they dont want to release them because it will mean less sales from the "DLC".

explain "like the rest" please :-\
Mikael Kalms wrote you a long thread why they can't make a pubbie FrostEd, if that is not reason enough for you, I don't know.... I wonder if you read that thread  ::)

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/1350772-so-how-about-modtools.html

The thread even shows up as 2nd hit on google for "bf3 mod tools"  :-*

http://www.google.se/#hl=sv&biw=1405&bih=805&q=bf3+mod+tools&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=3070ff9985c9f8e1
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Nerdsturm on 05-01-2011, 16:01:06
Quote
“I’d be shocked if we didn’t take a notch out of [Activision],” he continued.

Riccitiello added that BF3 would be “designed to be the one that is the big leap forward; the one that is going to help a lot” in competing with CoD.
- http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com/content.php?3836-Riccitiello-Battlefield-3-out-in-%E2%80%9Csecond-half%E2%80%9D-2011


This isn't the first time I've seen someone from EA/DICE claim BF3 is gonna blow us all away, and I'm starting to get the impression that it's not just hype...

Think about it, most Battlefield fans would rather play BF2 (or one of it's mods) than BC/BC2, and I can almost guarantee that the sales figures for both games combined (incl. console sales) don't come anywhere near BF2.

EA have been getting fucking smashed by Activision in FPS sales for years, and I can't imagine them being happy with that....


They've got something up their sleeve, and we'll know soon enough whether it's a masterstroke or an abject failure.


Christ, they could just remake BF2, adding BC2's destructible environment and shiny GFX, and it'd probably sell like crazy. I know I'd fall over my self in my rush to buy it... :)

I dunno. I don't like the implications of a game being in competition with the CoD series, as that means there will be a degree a similarity between the games.

Moreover, the free-to-play version of BF2 in development makes me more nervous. If Dice was making BF3 to be an improved version of BF2, no one would play the BF2 game they have in development.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: RoniSaysWoot on 05-01-2011, 16:01:51
I dunno. I don't like the implications of a game being in competition with the CoD series, as that means there will be a degree a similarity between the games.

Moreover, the free-to-play version of BF2 in development makes me more nervous. If Dice was making BF3 to be an improved version of BF2, no one would play the BF2 game they have in development.

The Free 4 play is not developed by Dice, it's a "game" made by the same guys who made the bf:
Heroes, so it uses basicly a updated version of the refractor engine what bf2142 uses what is the newer version what bf2 uses. The Free 4 play is already done project but they haven't yet released anything else than beta version of it to test how it runs and to see how much bugs there is to fix.

I hope Dice does as much work on the bf3 than they did for bf1942 and bf2, I don't want to see a updated version of bfbc2, well it is a good game but it isn't anything close to the older Battlefields.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 05-01-2011, 17:01:56
Moreover, the free-to-play version of BF2 in development makes me more nervous. If Dice was making BF3 to be an improved version of BF2, no one would play the BF2 game they have in development.

First of all:: BFP4F isnt a free version of BF2.. but it's understandable you think that since the map in the beta is Karkand..
Second:: BF3 is not "an improved version of BF2"...it's a new game.. do you know how much has happened in the gaming world since 2005?
Last:: BF3 and BFP4F are catering towards two different markets, so need to worry about who will play the games. ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 05-01-2011, 18:01:31

explain "like the rest" please :-\
Mikael Kalms wrote you a long thread why they can't make a pubbie FrostEd, if that is not reason enough for you, I don't know.... I wonder if you read that thread  ::)

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/1350772-so-how-about-modtools.html

The thread even shows up as 2nd hit on google for "bf3 mod tools"  :-*

http://www.google.se/#hl=sv&biw=1405&bih=805&q=bf3+mod+tools&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=3070ff9985c9f8e1


Because I had been on BC2 and BF3 UK EA forums hearing their bullshit.

"Tools too complicated"

Then the excuse changed to "You need super machines to run it"

And then it was "We cant share any information on it"

Then that leaked pic; what I meant its like any editor, simple to use, load objects, fx and test.

If BF3 doesnt have mod tools, then no buy for me bye bye BF and hello RO2 with mod support and a company that really deliver what they promise.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 21-01-2011, 22:01:31
Let's bump this one to the top, someone leaked screenshots. It's not that thrilling but it shows the destruction of houses in Battlefield 3. Looks alot like Bad Company 2 but oh my, what a sexy normal map.

http://www.games.lt/g/blogai.irasas/298779.8067
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 21-01-2011, 23:01:58
Battlefield series been getting worse at every release.

If BF3 doesn´t have great maps and feature real nice armies,like Russia x US war,it will be disappointing.

And if you cant mod...pull the flush.It´s crap.Like many other EA games...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 22-01-2011, 00:01:33
Im still waiting on this to be said.. im hoping so much for mod tools.. well sorry not hoping but crossing fingers.. guess its teh same thing... dam it.. fucking EA.. stop fucking the mod community over.. and 100+ players.. god mods would be epic with 100+ players.. with frostbite.. .. i can imagine the awesome sauce IF Fh went to BF3 withj 100+ players.. on teh BFE WAW tournament.. yea i dream big.. but everyone know EA will shoot it down cause hell if i know.. they fucked up the BF fanchise for the PC's only for money.. go figure right? well guess we will know for sure if we get tools and how many players will be playing ona server together march 1st... they say PC is gettign special attention.. WTF DOES THAT MEAN.. graphics? how much better can they get?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 22-01-2011, 01:01:42
I really enjoy the gameplay in Battlefield Bad Company 2. I play it many times during the day and a lot at night on my Playstation 3. Its got solid concepts, and a great balance, I just wish there were more players on each map. However at the same time I can understand the lowered player numbers.

Ironically enough while complaining about these player numbers I found that the 24 - 32 player count worked very well for the maps they delivered, all of them fun, and challenging, and furthermore there is a large emphasis on teamwork in Bad Company 2. I can't point to a single round where a lone soldier has ever destroyed all the MCOM stations, or captured every flag without the help of his team and his squad. In-fact there is a large number of points to be gained by performing squad and team maintenance tasks such as spotting targets with the Back or Select buttons on the controller, healing teammates, repairing vehicles, passing out ammunition, supporting your friends in a firefight with savior kills and squad points.

You receive extra points when you designate an objective on the map as your squads goal, and then successfully complete that objective.

Really the only negative comment I have about Bad Company 2 as a game is concerned, is that it is still flooded by tons of people who think that being a recon class immediately qualifies them as an expert marksman and asset to the team. Sometimes it becomes really saddening to the see the level of intelligence associated with the players of the game. It becomes discouraging to watch Recon's get spawn camped by a T90, only to watch them respawn time and time again as a recon and attempt to plant C4 on the vehicle. Honestly...change to an engineer...kill the tank, and return to your previous duties. You offer no help to the groups of Assaults Engineers and Medics who are trying to advance by not making the necessary change, or by not engaging vehicles at all.

So many people talk down to the Bad Company games, and the Frostbite engine as a whole, but so far with my heavy play in Bad Company 2, I am rather pleased by all the successful changes that were made from Bad Company 1, and the Frostbite engine, aside from being a very good looking Engine, gives Bad Company a dirty luster that is all its own. When you get into a heavy firefight with tracers flying back and forth, Mortar strikes dropping on your line, as buildings are collapsing and chunks of stone and rock are flying around from all angles, large spires of dirt are firing up from the ground in front of you, and your listening to some of the most amazing Audio you've ever heard in a game, including the rants and raves of the Avatars in-game "SOMEBODY DROP THAT MOTHERFUCKER", you become very immersed in Bad Company's world, and the game is very, very, intense.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Wilhelm on 22-01-2011, 01:01:04
They exist you know? I saw a leaked pic of the frostbite editor, and it was like the rest. Its probably most likely they dont want to release them because it will mean less sales from the "DLC".

explain "like the rest" please :-\
Mikael Kalms wrote you a long thread why they can't make a pubbie FrostEd, if that is not reason enough for you, I don't know.... I wonder if you read that thread  ::)

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/1350772-so-how-about-modtools.html

The thread even shows up as 2nd hit on google for "bf3 mod tools"  :-*

http://www.google.se/#hl=sv&biw=1405&bih=805&q=bf3+mod+tools&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=3070ff9985c9f8e1


I just saw this post.  Thanks for the link, Natty...that sets the record straight and now I understand the situation.  It is too bad, but at least it is reasonable. :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 23-01-2011, 00:01:38
Where does this picture come from?
(http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/150233_S/Battlefield-1943-Hands-On-Preview.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tedacious on 23-01-2011, 00:01:47
battlefield 1943

Had almost forgot about that installment.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Wilhelm on 23-01-2011, 00:01:55
Where does this picture come from?
(http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/150233_S/Battlefield-1943-Hands-On-Preview.jpg)

BF1943

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OagKmfWDw8
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 23-01-2011, 04:01:21

BF1943

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OagKmfWDw8

Yup, it has been delayed like 5 times already.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]I.Kluge on 23-01-2011, 04:01:34

Yup, it has been delayed like 5 times already.

Huh?

It has been out for a while now, as a DLC for the 360 and PS3. It is not going to be released for PC.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 23-01-2011, 04:01:24
i like what you say achi, but i think they should finally progress up to more that just 64 players. if they truely have optimized frostbite. then i dont see why its not feasable..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Desertfox on 23-01-2011, 06:01:57

Yup, it has been delayed like 5 times already.

Huh?

It has been out for a while now, as a DLC for the 360 and PS3. It is not going to be released for PC.

It was supposed to be, but I have no idea what happened to it. They said they were trying to make a "proper" version for the PC. That apparently means nothing, at least from what I have seen so far.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-02-2011, 03:02:41
Quote from: =Romagnolo= on the PR forums
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Logo-dice.png)


David Goldfarb is Lead designer & writer in DICE. Lead designer of Battlefield 3.

Quote from: David Goldfarb
You guys ready for tomorrow? You sure? Really really sure? #BF3

Quote from: David Goldfarb
Trend this shit. Tomorrow. #BF3

Quote from: David Goldfarb
Quote from: Fersis
Not until you promise it wont be just a CG trailer about the BF3 logo.... >8(

we don't do CG.


his Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/locust9)


(http://media.funlol.com/content/img/shit-just-got-real.jpg)




Edit:


gameinformer, which is not just a simple game website, posted this:

(http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/electronic-arts/battlefield/battlefield3/cov_215_l.jpg)




please, please, please, please have a mod tools!

xD

soo... tomorrow trailer ?

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 04-02-2011, 03:02:03
Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 04-02-2011, 04:02:56
Dice sets its sights on Call of Duty?  I hope they mean market share and not shitty game play.  :-\

Ahh anyway.....I can't wait.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: buddycole46 on 04-02-2011, 06:02:15
poor poor DIC... :(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-02-2011, 07:02:07
That poster would make me believe that it is going to be a BFBC3 and not a BF3 which would be the final slap in the face for all Battlefield fans.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Priestdk on 04-02-2011, 08:02:49
Though i am wery interessted in this i have a feeling we get somthing like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tghR38F7qpI

Witch dos not really show anything at all, what so ever.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 04-02-2011, 09:02:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpr3lphAfk&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpr3lphAfk&feature=player_embedded)

Teaser leaked. Modern Warfare again. But jets and helis.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-02-2011, 09:02:03
BC2 also had Jets and Helis.
Modern Warfare...  :-X
(http://www.rcsky.de/images/smilies/smiley_emoticons_kotz.gif)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2011, 10:02:34
might buy it if it DOESNT play like BF BC2
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 04-02-2011, 10:02:16
Dammit if it's BC3 and not BF3 with smaller maps and airplanes that "everyone can fly".
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 04-02-2011, 10:02:51
might buy it if it DOESNT play like BF BC2

BC2 is fun :/


And, thats all? a Crappy ass "Trailer"?...

DICE Im Dissapoint.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-02-2011, 11:02:18
...
And, thats all? a Crappy ass "Trailer"?...
DICE Im Dissapoint.

It's a teaser. :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2011, 11:02:35
might buy it if it DOESNT play like BF BC2

BC2 is fun :/


And, thats all? a Crappy ass "Trailer"?...

DICE Im Dissapoint.
I want the good ol' battlefield gameplay back  ;)

BC2 was fun, but i just now wanna see the old roots back
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 04-02-2011, 11:02:59
Stopped reading the ad at "Call of Duty". *barfpukeyuckbleurgh* >:(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 04-02-2011, 11:02:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpr3lphAfk&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpr3lphAfk&feature=player_embedded)

Teaser leaked. Modern Warfare again. But jets and helis.
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-fan-art/27148063d1267389496-optimus-prime-fsjal-fsjal_by_jeffrey_dicker.gif)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2011, 11:02:54
Something we all have been waiting for! TODAYS military hardware!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 04-02-2011, 12:02:47
BC2 also had Jets and Helis.
Modern Warfare...  :-X
(http://www.rcsky.de/images/smilies/smiley_emoticons_kotz.gif)
BC2 has jets? Oo
"Modern warfare" is quite a generic term. I Wonder if it'll Be a realistic scenario or a fantasy "MEC vs US"-scenario... 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-02-2011, 12:02:42
BC2 has jets? Oo
...

They promised them and had 'em in their videos....
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 04-02-2011, 12:02:38
BC2 also had Jets and Helis.
Modern Warfare...  :-X
(http://www.rcsky.de/images/smilies/smiley_emoticons_kotz.gif)
There were no jets (you could fly) in BC2.

Sofar: 64 players, jets, prone, all good good news.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tedacious on 04-02-2011, 12:02:14
Way to go being innovative Dice!

...sigh...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 04-02-2011, 13:02:27
Way to go being innovative Dice!

...sigh...

Well there isn't much new things you can bring in FPS games...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tedacious on 04-02-2011, 13:02:33
Perhaps doing another era than what they have been doing since BF:V (Excluding BF2142). Maybe a BF:V remake? I don't know, they get payed to come up with this stuff, they should find a new era.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-02-2011, 13:02:54
i was more exited about the 128 players in PR than this TBH ><
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 04-02-2011, 13:02:08
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/1388971-dragging-fallen-comrades-weapon-mounting-naval-vehicles-confirmed.html

well they didnt fuck "everything up"

multiplayer actions ranging across diverse locations from around the globe including Paris, Tehran and New York

-drag your fallen comrades into safety

-mount your weapon on almost any part of the terrain

-explosions throw you to the ground

-land, air and sea vehicles.




other info confirmed by DICE blog

-Prone

-JETS

-64 players
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2011, 13:02:00
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/1388971-dragging-fallen-comrades-weapon-mounting-naval-vehicles-confirmed.html

well they didnt fuck "everything up"

multiplayer actions ranging across diverse locations from around the globe including Paris, Tehran and New York


-mount your weapon on almost any part of the terrain





OK

NOW that IS SOMETHING i wanna see!

*deploying M249 or even M240
NOW ITS COWARD KILLING TAIME


okay, im giving BF3 a chance
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 04-02-2011, 13:02:36
i love that they implemented explosions and bullets affection you instead of the retarded "red jelly" like in mw2/black ops
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2011, 13:02:37
Ye your right, i have to say this sounds impressive
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 04-02-2011, 13:02:59
No modding tools
No dedicated servers
No melee weapons
To kill someone you have to fire several rounds in their head... with an AA gun
Say hello to "breathe in cover until you're fully healed" (durr, the dragging of fallen)
Single ammo type on tanks
Mirror balance
Maps the size of postage stamps because consoles would run out of memory otherwise
"Perks" and "bonuses" from "kill sprees" etc.
Add in DLC and/or micropayments, and...

kthxbai

/troll
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tedacious on 04-02-2011, 13:02:04
I'm disappointed of the choice of era. But i'm not gonna judge the game until I get to see more.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2011, 13:02:07
No modding tools
No dedicated servers
No melee weapons
To kill someone you have to fire several rounds in their head... with an AA gun
Say hello to "breathe in cover until you're fully healed" (durr, the dragging of fallen)
Single ammo type on tanks
Mirror balance
Maps the size of postage stamps because consoles would run out of memory otherwise
"Perks" and "bonuses" from "kill sprees" etc.
Add in DLC and/or micropayments, and...

kthxbai

/troll
oh ye, forgot about those things
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 04-02-2011, 14:02:49
Hmm, while I dont get the dissapproval of the game (its a teaser ffs), Im just wondering how many things will be struck off the above list before the game is released (or even demoed) :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 04-02-2011, 14:02:31
BC2 has jets? Oo
...

They promised them and had 'em in their videos....
Didnt knew that, thanks for the info.
I also Hope that they add real "Battlefield"-maps, instead of those Small-type BC ones.
Also: You only se. The outlines of what appears to Be US soldiers but a definate timeframe of the game wasnt Published yet. My Hopes are up for a Desert Storm scenario, basically a Remake of the BF42 mod "Desert Combat". Jeez, that'd Be awesome!
But unless more Info will Be released I'll neither damn nor glorify BF3. Time will Tell if EA finds back to their roots or if we'll get a pseudo-CoD, console fuck-up that is repetitve and becomes boring After a few weeks. 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eat Uranium on 04-02-2011, 14:02:39
No modding tools A slight chance there will be
No dedicated servers Where does it say this
No melee weapons Does it matter that much in a fast game? To kill someone you have to fire several rounds in their head... with an AA gun Probably will have hardcore mode
Say hello to "breathe in cover until you're fully healed" (durr, the dragging of fallen) and this is much different to magic health bags how?
Single ammo type on tanks Do you expect anything more?
Mirror balance Do you expect anything more?
Maps the size of postage stamps because consoles would run out of memory otherwise If only PC is going to have 64 players, chances are they will make you some nice bigger maps to go along with it.
"Perks" and "bonuses" from "kill sprees" etc. essentially in BF2
Add in DLC and/or micropayments, and... Only thing I can't really argue with you

kthxbai

/troll

Quoted from the 'other' forums:
Quote
Anyhow, it sounds at the moment to be slightly better than I was expecting, but much worse than I was hoping. Still, I've never been one to heap down hellfire on something I've not actually seen yet, so call me when they put out gameplay vids or a trailer.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 04-02-2011, 14:02:26
give me FUCKING MOD TOOLS.....

my feelings.. well disappointed... still cant take anything in right now.. look at what they said for Bf2.. 128 players.. did we get that? no..  ill save my breathe for when the game comes..  64 players? cool n all but you think we the day we live in they couldnt give more players in a server.. looks like someone from PR is gonna have to try 128 server again rofl!

just want mod tools dam it.. mod fucking tools.. * kicks rock

you know whats funny.. they mayber perhaps will finally have the mounting of weapons on any surfaces.. but now.. no mod tools or havnt been confirmed as being in or not.. yea it would be nice to mount a BAR or M1919 in a god dam window..

/rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Gezoes on 04-02-2011, 14:02:23
64 players, ye of little faith. Good, still expected a bit more though. The rumored command level between squads and commander is off the table then? Maybe the PR128 thing gets the ball rolling. All vehicles, good. Expected no less, it's BF not BC which I consider a spin-off to the series. No different ammo? Where does it say that? I think they can't get around that.

Eight maps is a bit low, but they better not fit on the back of a matchbox. Destructive environments, thumbs up. I can now setup an MG in that window? Great. Draggin' people, awesome. I was an awesome medic in PR once  ;D

No melee? I can't imagine us not having a knife or two. I hope they stay the true course and release a kick-ass demo, just like when BF1942-Wake hit. Still wary, but so far it looks ok. No mod tools is a sad thing, but modders will find a way I'm sure. One of the many reasons I hate consoles, no files to edit. It's all data, they will find a way.

I hope they stay the BF course, while looking at BF-mods, past and present, and release a demo that will surpass BF1942-Wake when the net slowed down to a crawl hehe.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 04-02-2011, 14:02:42
i like the 64 players part(confirmed?). Means my FPS days arnt over yet!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 04-02-2011, 15:02:01
64 players, ye of little faith. Good, still expected a bit more though. The rumored command level between squads and commander is off the table then? Maybe the PR128 thing gets the ball rolling. All vehicles, good. Expected no less, it's BF not BC which I consider a spin-off to the series. No different ammo? Where does it say that? I think they can't get around that.

Eight maps is a bit low, but they better not fit on the back of a matchbox. Destructive environments, thumbs up. I can now setup an MG in that window? Great. Draggin' people, awesome. I was an awesome medic in PR once  ;D

No melee? I can't imagine us not having a knife or two. I hope they stay the true course and release a kick-ass demo, just like when BF1942-Wake hit. Still wary, but so far it looks ok. No mod tools is a sad thing, but modders will find a way I'm sure. One of the many reasons I hate consoles, no files to edit. It's all data, they will find a way.

I hope they stay the BF course, while looking at BF-mods, past and present, and release a demo that will surpass BF1942-Wake when the net slowed down to a crawl hehe.

no mod tools hasnt been confirmed yet.. over the time of people yellling about them in BC2 they have said its a maybe.. no one has said no yet... and i said yet.. hopefully we woudl know soon.. cause id hate to get my hopes up... and if we get mod tools.. i say first thing.. 100 player cause MOAR MOAR MOAR..  rabble rabble

oh and.. fh3

spam the forums that we want mod tools! spam spam spam!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 04-02-2011, 15:02:43
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfvnf2PAJo1qbhybp.gif)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]I.Kluge on 04-02-2011, 15:02:58

You can prone, kill 64 men, and eat your jet at the same time. (http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/Default.aspx##)
Just a teaser... :P

Apparently is going to be an all platform release.

And in the blog below.

Quote
We know some of you eagerly have been awaiting Battlefield 1943 and Battlefield: Bad Company 2 Onslaught on PC. I’m sad to say that these two titles are now officially cancelled.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 04-02-2011, 16:02:34
Now, i might save some money for this...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 04-02-2011, 17:02:11
i was more exited about the 128 players in PR than this TBH ><
I'd rather have 64 players in a game with some action. But this thread might not be suitable for PR fanboys.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 04-02-2011, 18:02:26
Well at least this now gives me a reason to desperately update my PC for this game.

Straight from BF Blog:

"Battlefield 3 is the true successor to Battlefield 2. Beyond our signature multiplayer, we have also included a full single-player campaign and a co-op campaign – all straight out of the box. As for fan favorite features, how does the return of jets, prone, and 64-player multiplayer (on PC) sound?"


Finally 64 players again!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2011, 18:02:07
Lets hope they keep up to there promise
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 04-02-2011, 18:02:41
Don't ruin my dreams just yet. Yes its a present-future game, where you fight with modern weapons in some fictional World War 3 scenario, but you know what. Hinging on their experiences with Bad Company 2 and others, the actual quality of there balancing, and overall feeling to the games has been improving.

Every time I play Bad Company 2, I never feel like I can't hit my target, which was the feeling that Vanilla BF2 gave me because in order to fire accurately in that, its a lot of wait around and fire short bursts. So overall, the level to which they make weapons inaccurate and vehicles perform has vastly improved and made for a much more intense game-play experience.

Quite frankly I have no reason to doubt the 64 player idea, because I believe that things like BF2's promised 128 player limit were more victim to corporate pressure than the developers not wanting them.

Besides, some of the alleged features by many magazines and others sound great. It sounds like DICE is trying to work with EA's marketing strategy of making fun of Call Of Duty for its unrealistic representation of combat, it sounds to me that DICE is trying to make their game semi-realistic and fun at the same time, to finally put the nail in the coffin on the Call of Duty crowd. I think there's going to be some hilarious ads for this game that hint on that marketing strategy. I also believe there is going to be some good follow through on it too. BF:BC2 was a great leap up from ridiculousness of COD, despite the fact that there were still lots of snipers.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Viktor2a5 on 04-02-2011, 20:02:53
Quote from: enterbf3.com
Medic
Expected to be a sub machine gun. Expected to carry a knife, pistol, grenades, morphine, and patches.

Who said no melee? I see a knife right there.

And Morphine and patches...? No magic healing...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-02-2011, 20:02:53
Quote from: Tim270-PR FORUMS-
Yeah, this game is going to hurt the wallet :(.

I lol'd reading their 'new' features. 64p, prone, aircraft errrr yeah, its not like bf1942/bfv/bf2/bf212 did not have any of them.... Bf1942 came out in 2002 and its feature list sounds pretty much the same! RO has had weapon stabilisation since about 5 years ago, body dragging was in Arma 1....... I am hoping they will have actually done something creative in the years since BF2...

Dont get me wrong I love BF2. Most likely my favourite game I own, but I am losing faith in DICE.

xD

also, remeber when bf2 was anounced, and it was supose to have 128 players, but ended having 64? now they say 64 players, would we end having 32? =3
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 04-02-2011, 20:02:03
possibly

anyway, PR showed that 128 players is possible  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 04-02-2011, 23:02:33
Lets talk about BF3.....

...a Game i will buy for sure.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sarry on 05-02-2011, 04:02:42
*looks in awe*

It looks great, and seems to have a lot of potential. Sadly, I think I am gonna wait a while after its release before I buy it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: ebevan91 on 05-02-2011, 05:02:19
Quote from: enterbf3.com
Medic
Expected to be a sub machine gun. Expected to carry a knife, pistol, grenades, morphine, and patches.

Who said no melee? I see a knife right there.

And Morphine and patches...? No magic healing...

Do you have the exact source for that? The bolded part. I see enterbf3.com but it would take forever to find that off that website.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 05-02-2011, 10:02:40
(http://drh.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Site/eaemea/pb/images/battlefield_3/container_bgr_EN.jpg)

Ah well that sucks that you have to buy limited edition to get all maps.

Good news is that they are going to have good old BF2 maps! Yeah can't wait! Also that is PC cover they have there in the picture not Xbox 360!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 05-02-2011, 10:02:54
I still don´t get why the soldier is glowin orange. Burning flare? Activated flashlight with an orange filter?  ???

Really too bad you have to preorder the limited edition, especially since not much of the gameplay has been shown yet. If I´m honest I wasn´t too happy with BF2 gameplay (defi spam, voice spam, 1 million bullets needed to kill an enemy, xp and rank whoring etc.) and it couldn´t satisfy me for long. Nowadays I mainly play BF2 mods, such as FH and PR because they´re atleast IMO better than the main game, so unless DICE won´t confirm modding tools or work on the points that annoyed me in BF2 I probably won´t buy BF3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eat Uranium on 05-02-2011, 11:02:02
I still don´t get why the soldier is glowin orange. Burning flare? Activated flashlight with an orange filter?  ???
It's so that the box art complies with the blue/orange divide (look it up) ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 05-02-2011, 11:02:47
I don't get the fixation with 128 players some people have. Personally I find the vanilla BF gameplay is not suitable for 128 players, it's hard enough playing a good round with just 64 people. I'd rather have destructible terrain like in BC2 than 128 players.

Of course 128 players could be very interesting for mods where people generally have a different mindset but modding will probably not be possible for BF3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 05-02-2011, 12:02:54
I hope they keep Hardcore-mode from Bad Company 2. It's the only thing I ever play.

-Higher damage (or lower health ::))
-No 3D spotting
-No minimap spotting
-No HUD elements
-No crosshairs
-No kill-cam

And friendly fire: on, of course.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 05-02-2011, 12:02:47
box art is so crappy, i can't expect the game to be better.
It reminds the meme about modern warfare games cover art :
You always have:
- a chopper
- a vehicules
- some soldier in the background
- a soldier walking/running on the front with some special effect like smoke or explosion.

I guess bf3 will be a bf2 with frostbite with some feature that already exist since decennies ...
Dice didn't even get the guts to go on with future warfare, they hit again in the modern warfare.

I'm sure bf2 will be well sold, but it will be just an other disappointment
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Gezoes on 05-02-2011, 15:02:42
Yeah, the box art sucks, so the game must be horrible. Future war? Did you miss BF2142? Didn't quite work out. You also forget that a lot of people never played with the Frostbite engine because they've never played the Bad Company spin-offs.

Sounds a bit like you have a shelf of abandoned FPS console games but that's not EA or DICE's fault ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: djinn on 05-02-2011, 15:02:24
I dont get why people are griping. Unless it changes its tune, it will be as it says on the box - and its bad form to add drastically different gameplay elements to a sequel. Dont blame the company, blame the generation of FPS we are in. Ironsights, medics, prone etc are kinda where we are currently. All the other things, stabilization, adjustable sniper scope etc are specific to realism games. Battlefield has always been a mainstream title. More realistic than COD 4 and its ilk, sure. But only just.

That said, I think there would have been room for some features such as picking up other weapons to replace a weapon of equal weight, making heavy infantry slower moving, tanks with insides and animated internal actions, and even gun jamming and some dud grenades and shells.

Would also love to see an advanced communication rose to support suppression/ flanking, hand signaling and perhaps whisper vs shout vs radio over, maybe even amputations.

All within allowable range. Generally though, its bad form to change things too much. Bad for the following.

Sure wish its the same characters from bad company in this one. Would make sense considering it being a little beyond modern warfare.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 06-02-2011, 05:02:04
I don't get the fixation with 128 players some people have. Personally I find the vanilla BF gameplay is not suitable for 128 players, it's hard enough playing a good round with just 64 people. I'd rather have destructible terrain like in BC2 than 128 players.

Of course 128 players could be very interesting for mods where people generally have a different mindset but modding will probably not be possible for BF3.

128 players adds a whole new element to the game.. maybe vanilla it wouldnt make SUCH a difference but in mods yes.. it would.  even so that many players would be awesome. and for mod tools.. neither confirmed nor denied yet.. so i mean.. we will see it was said it was a possible chance a WHILE ago but who knows.. it would be great now wouldnt it?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 06-02-2011, 05:02:13
box art is so crappy, i can't expect the game to be better.
It reminds the meme about modern warfare games cover art :
You always have:
- a chopper
- a vehicules
- some soldier in the background
- a soldier walking/running on the front with some special effect like smoke or explosion.



All FPS game cover's are the same. You have always a dude waving a gun in the front with something like explosions and vehicles blowing up.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hankypanky on 06-02-2011, 05:02:30
box art is so crappy, i can't expect the game to be better.
It reminds the meme about modern warfare games cover art :
You always have:
- a chopper
- a vehicules
- some soldier in the background
- a soldier walking/running on the front with some special effect like smoke or explosion.



All FPS game cover's are the same. You have always a dude waving a gun in the front with something like explosions and vehicles blowing up.

lol most people are not going to give a shit about the box art because they are going to buy an electronic copy.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 06-02-2011, 05:02:32
lol most people are not going to give a shit about the box art because they are going to buy an electronic copy.

Besides judging a game for the cover is stupid. In the BF3 UK EA forums we had dudes saying since BF3 cover has that orange glow like in the BC2 cover then the game would be a console port with 32 players, no jets and prone. The next day, DICE made the announced of 64 players, prone and jets...some people are fucking morons.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 06-02-2011, 23:02:25
 Mod Tools (http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/853309-mod-tools.html#post11950412)

Looks like DICE finally heard people calling for Mod Tools, and they would work on them after release.

I dont give a shit when they'll be released, a year or  two, but give us modtoolz!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 07-02-2011, 00:02:43
Its a trap!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 07-02-2011, 00:02:37
15 months old thread?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tedacious on 07-02-2011, 00:02:05
15 months old thread?
So? BF3 still exists.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 07-02-2011, 00:02:19
15 months old thread?

Yeah i know, but they said "Currently our work with simplifying the tools are for Frostbite 2 and future games, not for BC2." And BF3 is Frostbite 2.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 07-02-2011, 05:02:29
Mod Tools (http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/853309-mod-tools.html#post11950412)

Looks like DICE finally heard people calling for Mod Tools, and they would work on them after release.

I dont give a shit when they'll be released, a year or  two, but give us modtoolz!

I will gladly pay for them, its best than those stupid dlc's scams.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 07-02-2011, 05:02:00
If its a Scam, then why millions of people play these DLCs?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 07-02-2011, 07:02:27
If its a Scam, then why millions of people play these DLCs?

People are stupid.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sgt.Radman on 07-02-2011, 08:02:34
I have yet to pay my first DLC that will actually be a game (BC:Vietnam). If it's a DLC then it's content for the game OF the game. So that is what you get when you buy the game. I'm not paying for more stuff for my original game.

Just like it's stupid to pay monthly fees to play an online game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: silian on 07-02-2011, 12:02:28
Spotting confirmed.
Dolphin diving out.
Friendly fire in.
Tehran-set map/s confirmed.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-07-dice-battlefield-3-has-3d-spotting

Paris and New York rumoured.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 07-02-2011, 12:02:46
Let's say for the sake of argument mod tools are there 2 months after release of the game.
What would you rather have BotB and Eastern Front within the time limits of one year on FH2 or the DEVS start anew with Africa being the first theather to be released in FH3?

I know my choice would be to enjoy FH2 with all it's diversity. Play a little BF3 once in a while and over a few years, who knows, there might be mod tools, they might be easy enough to use without having to revert to Cloud server leasing at Amazon  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Aggroman on 07-02-2011, 12:02:47
Spotting confirmed.
Dolphin diving out.
Friendly fire in.
Tehran-set map/s confirmed.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-07-dice-battlefield-3-has-3d-spotting

Paris and New York rumoured.

Yay! Friendly Fire! \o/
Now seriously, why do they announce such a thing? Is it something special nowadays to have friendly fire in the game?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 07-02-2011, 13:02:30
One could ask himself why they release stuff anyway :o
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 07-02-2011, 14:02:39
Let's say for the sake of argument mod tools are there 2 months after release of the game.
What would you rather have BotB and Eastern Front within the time limits of one year on FH2 or the DEVS start anew with Africa being the first theather to be released in FH3?

I know my choice would be to enjoy FH2 with all it's diversity. Play a little BF3 once in a while and over a few years, who knows, there might be mod tools, they might be easy enough to use without having to revert to Cloud server leasing at Amazon  ;)

hmmm... i would love to see Fh3, so yea, and i think at one point of the devs realized that it was a mistake going all out with maps and everything that the best thing to do to start would be weapons player models and vehicles on maps they already have from the base game to hasten releases... but you do pose a good question. but at the same time i think Fh would be superb ( even though it is now) on the FB. imo.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 07-02-2011, 14:02:43
Mod tools? Holy third-party physics engine, brix were shat. However, what you can do with them, and how complicated they will be is another question.

If there's a "hardcore" mode and dedicated servers, I might even be slightly interested.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 07-02-2011, 14:02:56
For the friendly fire, it's just an option like in BF2. You can have it or not on your server or in other modes.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 07-02-2011, 14:02:28
what i think would be a big plus with BF3.. IF mod tools came out and FH moved to it,  i think the crowd here would grow immensely... this would also open up to other people who can mod, if you have a bigger player base there would be more people interested in helping create a mod and if they god talent then BAM.. you got your self a revived mod.  

honestly just looking at BC and what BF3 will have like destructible environment, or the fact that when you hit tanks shit flies off of them leaves me to think well for one vehicle combat might be able to be changed with .. maybe even tracks flying off or the gun being destroyed etc.. the audio god i love the audio i crank my surround sound up when i play when your driving up hill the tanks engines know that you are going up a hill and drop the gear down thus the RPM gets higher and the engine is hella louder.. god i woudl love to hear how a tiger is going up a hill with this engine or even a sherman for that matter.  the start up sounds of vehicles sounds fabulous.. just sounds in general are awesome.. the special effects like when you fire a M1 abrams the dust comes off the tank or the effect of it.

graphics are vastly improved.   there is no hiding behind cover any more and no not every noob shoots and destroys everything even a noob knows that his allies need cover to run too.. well yea if theres a panzershrek hiding behind that wall im going to blast it before he blasts me..

might i add something else to this.. the pacific would be awesome.. if you have the NCO kit as an idea or perhaps an officer pick up kit..  in BC theres a stupid bullshit function of calling mortars down if your a sniper.. its rtarded and broken, but if you have it severely limited i think it would be cool.. and on pacific maps and island hoping you could get away with this and call it artillery support from the cruisers and battleships off shore..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 07-02-2011, 17:02:57
It would take like 2-3 years before FH3 would come out if they moved to BF3...

IMO if FH ever moved to BF3 (though will probably never happen) they should do it bit by bit so it wouldn't take so long.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 07-02-2011, 18:02:57
Let's say for the sake of argument mod tools are there 2 months after release of the game.
What would you rather have BotB and Eastern Front within the time limits of one year on FH2 or the DEVS start anew with Africa being the first theather to be released in FH3?

I know my choice would be to enjoy FH2 with all it's diversity. Play a little BF3 once in a while and over a few years, who knows, there might be mod tools, they might be easy enough to use without having to revert to Cloud server leasing at Amazon  ;)

FH3, because i love Africa  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Nissi on 07-02-2011, 19:02:30
Clearly FH3: But don't take Africa again first... too few people like it. (I do.)

Would be cool if there are cool Modtools. Still hope that the stuff could be ported but this hope & thought is silly.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tedacious on 07-02-2011, 19:02:21
Stop even hoping. Total conversion mods are dying.

Now i'm not a modder, but modding and creating destructible enviroments, and with these better graphics, it's too time and energy consuming for people to do on their free-time and not get paid.

A team of, say 20, people is not enough. and IF they would attempt it it would take more than 2 years for the first release. It took 2 years for fh2 to come out.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [ret]azreal on 07-02-2011, 19:02:45
If (and hopefully) there are mod tools, who says we have to create destructible environments for an installment of FH on the FB 2.0 engine? I would rather see faster releases with more content, and a few tactically important statics that are destroyable, rather than an FH version with 100% destroyable environment. 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 07-02-2011, 19:02:08
true that, if FH moves to BF3 ( IF!!!!) i would rather see small relaeses with incremental updates, than waiting 3 years for a first version :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 07-02-2011, 20:02:50
Exactly my thoughs azreal & sicario, would be wonderfull.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 07-02-2011, 20:02:48
agreed with the releases, like i said hit player models weapons and vehicles first then hit up bigger stuff.. imo.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 07-02-2011, 20:02:54
If (and hopefully) there are mod tools, who says we have to create destructible environments for an installment of FH on the FB 2.0 engine? I would rather see faster releases with more content, and a few tactically important statics that are destroyable, rather than an FH version with 100% destroyable environment.  

Well with any luck, the editor would be intuitive like UDK, with something like Fracture built in, where you can define a mesh to go underneath the static, say a buildings supports, and then define the static mesh to be actually destroyed by Frostbite, and choose the extent to which it is to be destroyed, and if certain pieces are invincible, what pieces represent the support structure, and so on. If that is how the editor works, destruction could be quite simple.

I also feel that if most of the primary assets have been held onto in their raw form, in whatever program they were created. Reexporting them to a new engine would take little time.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 07-02-2011, 20:02:25
Video showing off some of the capabilities of the Frostbite engine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXVF7q035Y&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXVF7q035Y&feature=player_embedded)

And I finally understand why the soldier glows. It´s a chemlight! (http://images.bf-games.net/news/2011/02/10044_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 07-02-2011, 21:02:12
cross fingers for mod tools.. fh3.. pr 2.. etc.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 07-02-2011, 21:02:44
cross fingers for mod tools.. fh3.. pr 2.. etc.

BF Pirates. Destructible boats for the win .. Yarrr
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 07-02-2011, 21:02:17
cross fingers for mod tools.. fh3.. pr 2.. etc.

BF Pirates. Destructible boats for the win .. Yarrr

Amen to that...BFP needs to make a comeback
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 07-02-2011, 21:02:56
oh man BFP that was awesome sucks it died in BF2.. i thought it was fun as hell
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 07-02-2011, 21:02:03
oh man, destroyable galeon, destroyable fortress !!!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 07-02-2011, 21:02:30
Imagine, giaraboob, your squad is walking past a wall, and the sound of a wild guido is heard in the distance.
Luckily, one of your squadmates picked up the special Thompson/No.69 kit. You all back up, and he lobs the grenade, blowing up the wall and ambushing an italian squad.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [ret]azreal on 07-02-2011, 21:02:58
cross fingers for mod tools.. fh3.. pr 2.. etc.

there already is a PR2.
http://www.realitymod.com/pr2.html
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 07-02-2011, 23:02:01
cross fingers for mod tools.. fh3.. pr 2.. etc.

there already is a PR2.
http://www.realitymod.com/pr2.html

Somebody is sharp today  ;)
By the way how many topics can there be created from here till Fall this year in the BF3 section of the EA-UK forums. I was reading some there and I was like, holy shit guys you still got 9 months left till this baby is born, save some for later.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 08-02-2011, 02:02:45
New scans of the Gameinformer article on BF3:

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn290/gajason143/DSCF1871.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn290/gajason143/DSCF1870.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn290/gajason143/DSCF1869.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn290/gajason143/DSCF1868.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn290/gajason143/DSCF1867.jpg)

New info:

-Aiming for CY Q4 2011 release
-Concept for BF3 has been in the works for years, waiting on proper tech to seamlessly come together
-Frostbite 2.0 is the culmination of this tech, entirely re-written
-Lighting sounds neat; one "probe" contains more lighting information than an entire BFBC2 level.
-Level destruction is going to be "believable" but basically everything is destructible.
-Character animations powered by ANT, what EA Sports uses.
-AI characters and multiplayer characters have different animation sets
-No more "gliding" animations that look off, animation realism is a focus
-Captured their own war audios (bullets, tanks, helicopters, etc) at different distances to ensure realism
-Better audio cues for certain actions, more easily able to listen for threats
-Plan on better, more immediate post release content
-More unlocks than BFBC2
-Dice trying to find a good balance between customization of your character and not having "pink rabbit hat(s)"
-4 classes
-Will talk about squads "later"
-Looking into a theater mode but can't talk about it
-Will have co-op
-There will be a kill-cam but it can be turned off
-Prone with no dolphin diving
-No BC2 elements such as motion sensors, tracer darts...
-BF3's team is almost twice as big as the team for BFBC2
-They want the pacing of the single player mode to be balanced, with highs and lows. Makes the comparison to a song vs a guitar solo.
-Part of the single player mode takes place in Sulaymaniyah - Iraqi Kurdistan.
-"F**k" will be used often, so M rates for sure
-Significant narrative that goes with the SP mode
-More than one setting, you're not in the middle east for the whole game
-PC version is lead version
-Why 64 players for PC only? No complains from the console crowd.
-No mod tools at release. Maybe none down the line either. Frosbite 2.0 is complex and mods tools would have to be dumbed down, so does Dice really want to put their time to that or would it be better spent elsewhere?

This part was sad :S I hope they change their minds. I really want some mod tools! I will even pay for them!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Lightning on 08-02-2011, 02:02:51
Ha! You call me a dreamcrusher, but at least I don't give you false hope by making ambiguous statements like
"maybe no mod tools".
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Mayhemic.MAD on 08-02-2011, 02:02:29
-No mod tools at release. Maybe none down the line either. Frosbite 2.0 is complex and mods tools would have to be dumbed down, so does Dice really want to put their time to that or would it be better spent elsewhere?

This part was sad :S I hope they change their minds. I really want some mod tools! I will even pay for them!
Might be much money, if you need like a few thousand dollars for just the tree generation software of modern games.. http://www.speedtree.com/sales/#sdk (http://www.speedtree.com/sales/#sdk)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 08-02-2011, 03:02:11
Well the game looks beautiful to say the least.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 08-02-2011, 03:02:53
It's encouraging to hear them say that PC is in fact the "lead version." Not sure it's worth a grain of salt, given that Frostbite is fundamentally an engine designed for consoles.

Still, there is definitely hope that this will be a worthy successor to BF2. The first person shot with the M4 looks like it has a very PC-like field of view!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 08-02-2011, 03:02:42
* starts stomping around madly... IOHUIHGKJSNUIB:WONIO:WENJ{VH@:WRJ{ H GOD DAM IT EA.. TWIO:HJNVHWOHFPUV NO MOD TOOLS FUCK FUCK FUCK... * heart attack falls dead.. thump...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 08-02-2011, 06:02:11
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=164286


Maybe I will have again faith in dice. But I want the SDK :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 08-02-2011, 06:02:20
Edit:

Follow the link above, it has so much more resolution. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Priestdk on 08-02-2011, 08:02:27
Bedst line of the day!

-No BC2 elements such as motion sensors, tracer darts...


Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 08-02-2011, 10:02:38
I'm betting that the "mod tools" will at most allow you at most to make new uniforms, weapons and vehicles, and create maps based on existing statics. Why?

Player models - use third-party animation tool.
Destrutible objects - use third-party physics tool.

So PR3 might theoretically be possible, but total conversions such as FH3 or Pirates are unlikely. And at any rate, I doubt that even the PR team would have the manpower, time, interest, etc. to create destructible objects or player models on the level of detail shown in that article.

I'm saying FH2 is "good enough", the gameplay is satisfactory, it does not look too bad, and what with the elusive 64 player limit about to fall (provided the serverside hack as tested by PR is shared among the BF2 community), I would say that the dev team should focus in bringing out the Eastern Front instead of switching engines. And anyway, the release is still 9 months away and mod tools, if they arrive at all, even farther away.

Sure, in hardcore mode with killcam off the vanilla BF3 MP might be fun but for SP I'm getting MW2 vibes from the article, and that's not a good thing. Considering this is meant to go against as-of-yet unannounced MW3 on the Christmas market, that's hardly unexpected, but still. Oh well, one can always ignore the SP as it is over in one night anyway and rarely worth replaying, unlike MP.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 08-02-2011, 11:02:59
Other than "zomg graphics" and "zomg physics" and "zomg sounds", that article didn't have much. Just "we've got a lot of cool things planned which I can't tell about but are awesome". Where have I heard that before.... Oh yes, Mafia 2 and Civ 5, the other new games I was really looking forward to.

Yes, both had great graphics and were fun to play, once. Then the second time... well meh. Especially this "easy-to-play-from-the-get-go" mantra is becoming old. Too often it means simple and dumbed down gameplay.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-02-2011, 11:02:38
4 classes?

Thats it?

let me guess, medics with machine guns?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Viktor2a5 on 08-02-2011, 11:02:19
4 classes?

Thats it?

let me guess, medics with machine guns?


Assault
Expected to include an assault rifle with grenade launcher attachment. The kit is also expected to include a knife, pistol, and grenades.
Spec-Ops
Probably a sub machine gun or variant and possible silenced. Also will include a knife, pistol, grenades, and C4 explosives.
Medic
Expected to be a sub machine gun. Expected to carry a knife, pistol, grenades, morphine, and patches.
Engineer
A shotgun or sub machine gun. Also carries a knife, pistol, grenades, mines, RPG, and wrench.
Sniper
A scoped rifle. Also carries a knife, pistol, grenades, laser desegnator, and claymores.
Support
Machine gun such as a PKMs. Also carries a knife, pistol, and grenades.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 08-02-2011, 11:02:25
badnwitdh exceed :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-02-2011, 11:02:05
4 classes?

Thats it?

let me guess, medics with machine guns?


Assault
Expected to include an assault rifle with grenade launcher attachment. The kit is also expected to include a knife, pistol, and grenades.
Spec-Ops
Probably a sub machine gun or variant and possible silenced. Also will include a knife, pistol, grenades, and C4 explosives.
Medic
Expected to be a sub machine gun. Expected to carry a knife, pistol, grenades, morphine, and patches.
Engineer
A shotgun or sub machine gun. Also carries a knife, pistol, grenades, mines, RPG, and wrench.
Sniper
A scoped rifle. Also carries a knife, pistol, grenades, laser desegnator, and claymores.
Support
Machine gun such as a PKMs. Also carries a knife, pistol, and grenades.
hmm.....   acceptable
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 08-02-2011, 12:02:57
You'll find the scans at http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/

As for mod tools, take a look at BF1942. No mod tools at all. Then some geniuses in the community managed to "crack" the BF42 file formats, RFA and standardmesh, resulting first in the Kubelchopper and Parallel World, and from there on Desert Combat. Dice quickly noticed its success and hired these community members to make "official" mod tools. Basically they just ran the same mod tools by quality control and had some user friendliness added. As well as BF42 v1.2 ( ? ) adding support for custom mod folders.
The reason this couldn't be done with BFBC2 is that the content is compiled to binary format for fast on the go loading among many other limitations in the engine itself (no dedicated server files, backend stuff mostly).
If BF3 uses uncompiled content, or includes the uncompiled content + compiler, together with a relatively unrestricted backend, then modding may be possible even without official mod tools.

So basically, we can't predict how the modding scene will be for BF3 until we actually get a look at its files. Could be earlier than expected, could be never, or somewhere inbetween.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 08-02-2011, 13:02:47
This game sound so damn awesome. Finally BF3 have been waiting this for so long and the new features sound really good.

I really trust that DICE can pull this off. Need to upgrade my rig though.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 08-02-2011, 22:02:36
i see a lot of people whining about no mod tools.

people should know that the current editor needs a whole studio of servers.

i cant realy imagine any community modder having a full 20 000+ dollar studio avaliable at hand ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 08-02-2011, 23:02:57
Well, i can live without mod tools, but the game must be badbass then.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 08-02-2011, 23:02:04
4 classes?

Thats it?

let me guess, medics with machine guns?


Assault
Expected to include an assault rifle with grenade launcher attachment. The kit is also expected to include a knife, pistol, and grenades.
Spec-Ops
Probably a sub machine gun or variant and possible silenced. Also will include a knife, pistol, grenades, and C4 explosives.
Medic
Expected to be a sub machine gun. Expected to carry a knife, pistol, grenades, morphine, and patches.
Engineer
A shotgun or sub machine gun. Also carries a knife, pistol, grenades, mines, RPG, and wrench.
Sniper
A scoped rifle. Also carries a knife, pistol, grenades, laser desegnator, and claymores.
Support
Machine gun such as a PKMs. Also carries a knife, pistol, and grenades.
Errr where did you come up with this stuff? The BF3 guys said clearly in those magazine scans that there are FOUR CLASSES. You listed 6.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 08-02-2011, 23:02:37
My .02€: spec-ops and sniper to be combined. Engineer has to choose between MG and AT, assault and grunt as is.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 09-02-2011, 08:02:20
I hope they do it like in BF2142 where you could customize your class a lot. Assault could be medic or just assault, support could be well support with different stuff, recon was able to choose between sniper rifle or assault carbine and Engineer was AT and engineer put together.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sgt.Radman on 09-02-2011, 10:02:39
I hope they do it like in BF2142 where you could customize your class a lot. Assault could be medic or just assault, support could be well support with different stuff, recon was able to choose between sniper rifle or assault carbine and Engineer was AT and engineer put together.

Ye i would like that too. But 2142 was futuristic so they COULD do something like that. Don't think they will apply that to BF3. < We need customization, Vietnam style character selection, 2142 loadout and classes, and BC2 graphics, sounds, maps and objectives.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Viktor2a5 on 09-02-2011, 10:02:01
Errr where did you come up with this stuff? The BF3 guys said clearly in those magazine scans that there are FOUR CLASSES. You listed 6.

http://enterbf3.com/
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 09-02-2011, 12:02:22
I hope they do it like in BF2142 where you could customize your class a lot. Assault could be medic or just assault, support could be well support with different stuff, recon was able to choose between sniper rifle or assault carbine and Engineer was AT and engineer put together.
I totally hated it. It's one of those things that puts me down on 2142. When I spawn I want all my gear with me, not having to micromanage my inventory before  I get to the field ...

Obviously, I hope the bf3 spawns will be more bf2.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 09-02-2011, 13:02:27
I hope they do it like in BF2142 where you could customize your class a lot. Assault could be medic or just assault, support could be well support with different stuff, recon was able to choose between sniper rifle or assault carbine and Engineer was AT and engineer put together.
I totally hated it. It's one of those things that puts me down on 2142. When I spawn I want all my gear with me, not having to micromanage my inventory before  I get to the field ...

Obviously, I hope the bf3 spawns will be more bf2.
Yep, having to unlock nades and medic shock paddles = fail.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 09-02-2011, 13:02:59
Having to unlock your gear sucks. Unlocking weapons is OK, as long as the weapons you start out with are a) fun to play with b) as good as the unlockables

Personally, I think it's great to customize your kit before spawning. If you don't like it, then just pick your favorite load-out and never change it. It'll stay the same every time you join a server (it does in BFBC2 at least).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-02-2011, 14:02:41
having to unlock gear is indeed bad. Because it also limits your playability at the beginning of the game for all your classes
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Bravo3945 on 09-02-2011, 17:02:04
having to unlock gear is indeed bad. Because it also limits your playability at the beginning of the game for all your classes
I agree I haven't liked what they'e done with BF2142 and BFBC2. :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 09-02-2011, 19:02:38
You all act like it was impossible to unlock basic kit items in 2142  ::)

2142 gave you an unlock tree which you could then choose to commit to for a certain class. Sure you could spend unlocks unlocking 1 kit item at a time, or you could go down the list of a specific kits unlocks and get all of those before moving onto other kits. Hell I think Shock Paddles and Grenades are like the first two unlocks on the Assault list.

And I can't really see what the big deal is taking a few extra seconds to double check your kit, to make sure your set up for what your trying to accomplish.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 09-02-2011, 19:02:21
You all act like it was impossible to unlock basic kit items in 2142  ::)

2142 gave you an unlock tree which you could then choose to commit to for a certain class. Sure you could spend unlocks unlocking 1 kit item at a time, or you could go down the list of a specific kits unlocks and get all of those before moving onto other kits. Hell I think Shock Paddles and Grenades are like the first two unlocks on the Assault list.

And I can't really see what the big deal is taking a few extra seconds to double check your kit, to make sure your set up for what your trying to accomplish.

Kit Customization I could handle (the BC2 unlock i think more of as abilities more than equipment) but the one thing I cant handle is working towards something that I should already have.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: djinn on 09-02-2011, 20:02:57
Best system, Battlefield Vietnam.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 09-02-2011, 20:02:35
Also I didn't say anything about the unlock system but the customization options, how can you make your class, choose equipment and so on...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 09-02-2011, 22:02:16
You all act like it was impossible to unlock basic kit items in 2142  ::)

2142 gave you an unlock tree which you could then choose to commit to for a certain class. Sure you could spend unlocks unlocking 1 kit item at a time, or you could go down the list of a specific kits unlocks and get all of those before moving onto other kits. Hell I think Shock Paddles and Grenades are like the first two unlocks on the Assault list.

And I can't really see what the big deal is taking a few extra seconds to double check your kit, to make sure your set up for what your trying to accomplish.
YEAH seriously. The absolute worst case of this was Medal of Honor Airborne where one of the "upgrades" for the K98 was a stripper clip and one of the "upgrades" for the Thompson was a muzzle break. Seriously?

It's also laughable to think that those and some of the other upgrades could even have been "field upgrades" to weapons. Hell, it was bad enough that they used the wrong type of Thompson and stuff like that in the game.

Kit Customization I could handle (the BC2 unlock i think more of as abilities more than equipment) but the one thing I cant handle is working towards something that I should already have.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: 16floz470ml on 10-02-2011, 00:02:25
There is a new article in the March 2011 Game Informer about BF3.  They talk to the developers.  It is the most info that I have seen yet. 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Viktor2a5 on 11-02-2011, 12:02:53
(http://enterbf3.com/images/bf3-menu.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 11-02-2011, 12:02:03
I'm going to seem petty for this, but am I the only one who dislikes these "electronic" menus?

Meanwhile, looks like BF2 but just dumbed down. Without knowing anything about the gameplay it looks boring & more of the same ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 11-02-2011, 12:02:27
That pic looks like it could have been taken from graw
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Viktor2a5 on 11-02-2011, 12:02:23
Its says BF3 menu on url.

I posted it, to show, that medic isnt MGgunner

I could be wrong...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 11-02-2011, 12:02:33
I sure hope that screenie is fake! god that looks even more dissapointing than i originally had on anticipated
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sgt.Radman on 11-02-2011, 12:02:26
So Medics and Engineers are gonna be Assault?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-02-2011, 12:02:19
Great all assault players will also be medics wich can revive themself

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 11-02-2011, 13:02:32
F*ck yeah! It's like in BF2142, except that engineer has shotgun instead of an SMG.

Yeah exactly what I wanted, or it seems so far. I hope it's not fake.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 11-02-2011, 13:02:58
Great all assault players will also be medics wich can revive themself



Most players use medic in the bf series as an assault anyway.

Why would you pick assault if you almost get the same gear with medic + the ability to heal ?
I almost never pick assault.It makes sense that if there are only 4 classes, spec ops and assault would have to go...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 11-02-2011, 13:02:45
(http://enterbf3.com/images/bf3-menu.jpg)

That looks like a cheap MoH port.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 11-02-2011, 13:02:56
Even though it's alpha it look better than any other game I have seen. I like plain clear look, though that might be fake.

Just compare it to BF2, that is so much better it is.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 11-02-2011, 14:02:34
I sure hope that screenie is fake! god that looks even more dissapointing than i originally had on anticipated
It's a menu lol.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 11-02-2011, 16:02:58
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/02/11/dice-interview-building-battlefield-3.aspx

Quote
We are usually using one game engine as a minimum and for BF3 we are using the PC

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: ebevan91 on 11-02-2011, 16:02:07
LOL if you think that screenshot is real (of the menu/kit selection screen)

It's a dead giveaway that it's fake.

1. The background (behind the menu) is the same screen that's in the magazine.

2. Those weapon images have been on the internet for a good while now (I saw them years ago)

3. Medic, Recon, Support, Engineer... that's another giveaway that it's fake.

4. The text looks like crap

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: bjack on 11-02-2011, 16:02:17
LOL if you think that screenshot is real (of the menu/kit selection screen)

It's a dead giveaway that it's fake.

1. The background (behind the menu) is the same screen that's in the magazine.

2. Those weapon images have been on the internet for a good while now (I saw them years ago)

3. Medic, Recon, Support, Engineer... that's another giveaway that it's fake.

4. The text looks like crap



I agree that it looks fake.

Per Bad Company 2, Medic = Support.  Perhaps they could change that, but I doubt it.

Also, no Assault class?  Where did the grenade launcher go?

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 11-02-2011, 17:02:29
I sure hope that screenie is fake! god that looks even more dissapointing than i originally had on anticipated
It's a menu lol.

Doesnt matter, its still dissapointing.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 11-02-2011, 17:02:03
(http://enterbf3.com/images/bf3-menu.jpg)

Thats a fake; just a pic from the magazine article with a pasted menu. It was posted on the BF3 UK EA forums and they already labelled as a fake.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 11-02-2011, 17:02:23
Damn I knew it!  :-X
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 11-02-2011, 18:02:31
As if you are going to get as detailed multiplayer maps like it shows in the map.  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 11-02-2011, 18:02:47
nevertheless, I think this spawncomposition is the most likely : assaultmedic, support , sniper, antitankengy, if only 4 classes are provided
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 11-02-2011, 18:02:32
Probaly the same as BF 2142
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 12-02-2011, 07:02:30
Most players use medic in the bf series as an assault anyway.

Why would you pick assault if you almost get the same gear with medic + the ability to heal ?...
Assault has a more powerful gun, a smoke grenade, and heavy body armor... ;)



I reckon the BF2 class system works ok as is, but if they do cut the number of classes back to 4, there must be a good reason for it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 12-02-2011, 21:02:36
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/02/11/dice-interview-building-battlefield-3.aspx

Quote
We are usually using one game engine as a minimum and for BF3 we are using the PC


Look closely and you might be able to see Natty.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hankypanky on 13-02-2011, 03:02:37
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/02/11/dice-interview-building-battlefield-3.aspx

Quote
We are usually using one game engine as a minimum and for BF3 we are using the PC


Look closely and you might be able to see Natty.
Does Natty work for dice?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 13-02-2011, 05:02:40
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/02/11/dice-interview-building-battlefield-3.aspx

Quote
We are usually using one game engine as a minimum and for BF3 we are using the PC


Look closely and you might be able to see Natty.

Mopping the floors........... :-)
Title: Battlefield 3 PC to be lead platform; mod tools might not be released
Post by: Ajs47951 on 13-02-2011, 23:02:54
Battlefield 3 PC to be lead platform; mod tools might not be released

As expected, info from this month's Game Informer cover story on Battlefield 3 is making its way onto the internet. A post on the NeoGAF message board has some bullet points on what was revealed in the article which gives the first details on developer Digital Illusions' next first person shooter.

The article states that the PC version of the game is the lead platform which is good news for people who might have been afraid that we would be getting a dumbed down console port. We won't reveal too much more about the bullet points in the post but one that is mentioned is that the game might not get mod tools with the post stating that the new Frostbite 2 engine is so complex that any mod tools would have to be dumbed down. "We know what its really is the don't want COD getting Frostbite 2 engine so they can F**& it up!."The post hints that DICE might not want to put in any resources for that to happen.

http://news.bigdownload.com/2011/02/08/report-battlefield-3-pc-to-be-lead-platform-mod-tools-might-no/ (http://news.bigdownload.com/2011/02/08/report-battlefield-3-pc-to-be-lead-platform-mod-tools-might-no/)
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Battlefield-3-DICE-Frostbyte-2-64-player-PC-gaming,12154.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Battlefield-3-DICE-Frostbyte-2-64-player-PC-gaming,12154.html)

I don't know if this is in the right spot so if is not plz move then.


anyway look at the bright-side on the 22 this month Fallout New Vegas dead money DLC comes out for pc! :o ;Dlol
Title: Re: Battlefield 3 PC to be lead platform; mod tools might not be released
Post by: Ajs47951 on 13-02-2011, 23:02:49
also
The GI article reveals that the Battlefield 3 concept has been in the works for years, however DICE decided to wait on proceeding with development until the proper technology was made available. DICE said that its new Frostbyte 2.0 engine is the "culmination" of the tech, re-written from scratch.

As for content, Battlefield 3 will reportedly offer 4 classes--info in regards to squads will be discussed at a later date. Other notable features include a "Killcam" that can be turned off, a theater mode, and the use of the work "f**k throughout the game, undoubtedly landing it an "M" rating when it hits retail shelves.

Confirming previous reports that the game will take place in New York, Paris and Tehran, the article revealed that the story will feature more than one setting, focusing on other territories other than the Middle East. That said, players will visit Sulaymaniyah, Iraqi Kurdistan sometime during the campaign.

Previous reports also indicated that the PC version would provide 64-player multiplayer support. The console versions won't be quite so dramatic, cranking out support for 24-player multiplayer sessions.

Here are a few more details yanked from the article:

    * Character animations will be powered by ANT and focused on realism.
    * Level destruction will be "believable."
    * AI characters and multiplayer characters have different animation sets
    * Captured their own war audios (bullets, tanks, helicopters, etc) at different distances to ensure realism
    * Better audio cues for certain actions, more easily able to listen for threats
    * Better, more immediate post release content
    * More unlocks than BFBC2
    * A good balance between customization of your character and not having "pink rabbit hat(s)"
    * Will have co-op
    * BF3's team is almost twice as big as the team for BFBC2
    * Balanced pacing in single-player mode, with highs and lows.
    * Significant narrative that goes with the SP mode
    * Original story, not based on Bad Company.

Battlefield 3 is slated to hit the Windows PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 this fall.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 13-02-2011, 23:02:36
Merged. Next time search before making a thread.

And use Modify button. It is there for a good reason.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 13-02-2011, 23:02:01
Merged. Next time search before making a thread.

And use Modify button. It is there for a good reason.
lol sorry I will next time

thanks for the Merge!  :D :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Bruno_gg on 14-02-2011, 00:02:46
LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9bn22k2FL8&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 14-02-2011, 01:02:00
Thats why im a PC gamer :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: djinn on 14-02-2011, 01:02:17
Pitty. Kinda liked Marlow n crew. Although, the rest sound simply delicious.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 23-02-2011, 15:02:45
Big news Battlefield players  ;D

First trailer!

http://www.ea.com/battlefield3/videos/gameplay-debut

Be wary though, some heavy traffic.

And as a bonus I leave this.

New Gamestar magazine article summary.

http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=164377

New pictures:

http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fms/Image.php?image=http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/images/news3/gs-bf3-1.jpg

And as an extra, extra bonus.

Lars Gustavsson reveals the design documents from BF 1942 with many features that were cut in the final version and some extra details.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/02/23/battlefield-origins-designing-1942.aspx

ENJOY!!!!!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 23-02-2011, 15:02:48
Yeah saw those, looked awesome.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-02-2011, 15:02:23
hmmmm

i dunno, what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 23-02-2011, 15:02:22
why advertize a battlefield game with singleplayer cut scenes? ><

altrou it looks fantastic, i dont think all those motions will be avalible in MP, hope im wrong.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 23-02-2011, 15:02:26
"At a screen there were four classes with five slots for equipment. No further word about the details of the equipment is given"

Yeah definitely BF2142 -style class system.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-02-2011, 15:02:09
IF all those things are added in MP, that would be really awesome.

"At a screen there were four classes with five slots for equipment. No further word about the details of the equipment is given"

Yeah definitely BF2142 -style class system.
Well it wassent a bad class system.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 23-02-2011, 15:02:49
It was best class system... and I am glad it's back.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-02-2011, 16:02:06
The only thing that botherd me was that all assault kits had revive shock paddles

oh well, i can life with it. This system works very good with 64 players.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: ebevan91 on 23-02-2011, 16:02:01
The only thing that botherd me was that all assault kits had revive shock paddles

oh well, i can life with it. This system works very good with 64 players.



It was like 2142, which was set up fantastically.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-02-2011, 16:02:32
well it was great. I hope BF3 will have more things to unlock then BF2142 though. More diffrent weapons for example.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 23-02-2011, 16:02:32

Lars Gustavsson reveals the design documents from BF 1942 with many features that were cut in the final version and some extra details.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/02/23/battlefield-origins-designing-1942.aspx

ENJOY!!!!!

Oh god, that's like someone reading from the original bible or something, for a religious Christian.
I want that printed copy! :O
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Stefan on 23-02-2011, 16:02:34
prepare to have windows 7 64bit installed by then and to have a DX10/11 card
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: von.small on 23-02-2011, 16:02:43
prepare to have windows 7 64bit installed by then and to have a DX10/11 card

^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^

And as I have posted on EA, please next time you do a hype video - please please please can we have less game footage and more Logos, ads, ratings, logo, logo, copyright, ad, rating, release text.  Theee-anks.

[EDIT - which was promtly removed by and admin, so I posted it again... and again]

EA marketing and legal depts -Fucking waste my time, I'll waste yours.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 23-02-2011, 17:02:34

Lars Gustavsson reveals the design documents from BF 1942 with many features that were cut in the final version and some extra details.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/02/23/battlefield-origins-designing-1942.aspx

ENJOY!!!!!

Oh god, that's like someone reading from the original bible or something, for a religious Christian.
I want that printed copy! :O

I want those features in it! Factories spawning tanks, hell yeah! :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-02-2011, 17:02:21
prepare to have windows 7 64bit installed by then and to have a DX10/11 card


EA marketing and legal depts -Fucking waste my time, I'll waste yours.
(http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/2835363/son-I-am-proud.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=The-Most-Interesting-Man-in-the-World)


I will however, be waiting the reviews first before i am getting this.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 23-02-2011, 17:02:04
prepare to have windows 7 64bit installed by then and to have a DX10/11 card

IMO this is really good thing that XP isn't supported. FINALLY PC games are evolving again!
Consoles have really made the advancement slower.


I will however, be waiting the reviews first before i am getting this.

I wont I already pre-ordered, even if it sucks I am happy I finally got BF3!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 23-02-2011, 17:02:11
No word yet whether EA is going the way of Activision and making BF3 multiplayer pay-to-play as is rumoured to happen with MW3?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 23-02-2011, 17:02:22
God i hope not!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: McCloskey on 23-02-2011, 18:02:47
That would probably kill it ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 23-02-2011, 19:02:43
Am I the only one who is totally disappointed?
Modern setting:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cQF9Si3yAmc/TIqR4hUwRSI/AAAAAAAAAEI/Ekr0iuoZTjk/s1600/thumbs-down.jpg)

4 classes only:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cQF9Si3yAmc/TIqR4hUwRSI/AAAAAAAAAEI/Ekr0iuoZTjk/s1600/thumbs-down.jpg)

Shock paddles for everybody:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cQF9Si3yAmc/TIqR4hUwRSI/AAAAAAAAAEI/Ekr0iuoZTjk/s1600/thumbs-down.jpg)

If they manage to design the maps as crappy as in BF2, with too many flags, gameplay will be below believe again. Just another BF2 clone with updated graphics won't be enough.
Currently I expect nothing good from this game, but my hope will die at last. Durgh, I'm too old for teenager games, I guess thats it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 23-02-2011, 19:02:39
nothing wrong with modern.. and WW2 doesn't sell anymore (as much).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 23-02-2011, 19:02:13
Currently I expect nothing good from this game, but my hope will die at last. Durgh, I'm too old for teenager games, I guess thats it.

Just stick with Bridge then, grandpa.

But seriously, you didn't enjoy BF2 at all?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-02-2011, 20:02:59
nothing wrong with modern.. and WW2 doesn't sell anymore (as much).
not if every WW2 game contains the same stuff it wont.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 23-02-2011, 21:02:31
But seriously, you didn't enjoy BF2 at all?

Not that much. Maybe a picture will help you with your memories:

(http://www.spass-am-zocken.de/bf2/bf2-maps/Operation_Clean_Sweep/gpm_cq_64_menuMap.jpg)

The map design was just screwed on almost all maps. You could watch the rear flags, kill 1 guy during the entire round and win the map. If you didn't watch it, you lost because that single guy kept it and rolled everything up. Maybe BF2 was good for rank, personal score or whatever. But the mapdesign never allowed for the common goal of winning a map.

As far as I remember BF2 marked a serious change. We had skilled and expirienced players, A full WOLF BF2 server of veterans, which were all driven away within 6 month. On the long term the game cannot offer anything to keep you playing for years. The game mechanics are further developed but they are not evolved. The maps were disposable and would have never made it into BF1942. They got great statics, but poor design. And PR was never an alternative for a skilled and expirienced player. I don't really need a random squadleader telling me what to do, despite I know better.

The result was the rise of city combat in BF2, like karkand. But that is a different pair of shoes compared to the titles of the battlefield franchise before. City combat is no Battlefield-uniqueness, but common among many titles. You actually don't even need an engine capable to run large maps. Therefor the things that made Battlefield unique, like the large maps and landscape got lost. Since then I abstain. The game isn't the same anymore, though the name stayed. And those Bad Company games are straight forward first person shooters, sorry, that is something totally different as well. So, hooray for BF3, the successor of BF2. Back to the primitive. ::)


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Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 23-02-2011, 22:02:19
On the long term the game cannot offer anything to keep you playing for years. The game mechanics are further developed but they are not evolved.

After 6 years I still enjoy every round of BF2 I play. There's so much to do, so much to screw around with. If you're bored of playing seriously grab a jeep and go troll some friendly tanks. If you're too honest just go touring with a blackhawk or something. There's endless possibilties.

My xfire account shows I've played BF2 for 2000 hours. And within those 2000 hours, I haven't been bored for a minute.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-02-2011, 22:02:00
battlefield 2 was great. No doubt

but then i discoverd FH2.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tim270 on 23-02-2011, 22:02:23
Heh I still love vanilla as well. Might have to book a few days of work when bf3 comes out, then spend the next few years playing the hell out of it :p
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 23-02-2011, 22:02:44
Teaser trailer was like meh .. just there to keep up the hype. Since having seen the Dead Island trailer everything else is sub par.
If EA/DICE manages to make an action packed equivalent of that trailer I'll will buy two pink tutu's, fly to Iceland and take a picture of me and FatJoe wearing them.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 24-02-2011, 01:02:14
If EA/DICE manages to make an action packed equivalent of that trailer I'll will buy two pink tutu's, fly to Iceland and take a picture of me and FatJoe wearing them.

Be careful of what you threaten when you mention Pink tutu's.. it has the habit of turning true in my case.. and yeah, that reminds me.. I still owe you guys a pink tutu picture -_-

I am personally looking forward to BF3, as much as I was in BF2. I don't doubt for a moment that I'll enjoy it :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 24-02-2011, 02:02:41
I have a hard time believing that no mod tools and DAY ONE DLC is a coincidence.

C'mon DICE, seriously.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Bravo3945 on 24-02-2011, 05:02:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9SCWClN4Ic&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9SCWClN4Ic&feature=player_embedded)

Did anyone see this? If it's been posted already then... You can watch it twice.... :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 24-02-2011, 08:02:26
The map design was just screwed on almost all maps....

sorry for quoting just one paragraph^ but I read the whole post and didnt want to flood with quotes.

Ofcourse maps can be judged by taste, just like music or movies can. Maybe you simply did not have fun on BF2 maps, but to say that they were poorly designed is just... "wrong".
BF2 has among the absolute best level designs in any retail shooter to date, hands down.

By "best" we can argue for years ofcourse, but Im looking at it purely objective. bf1942 sure had fine maps, and in 2002 they were more original than what the BF2 maps might have been in 2005, but every single BF2 map is way better designed than every bf42 map, easily.

The fact that BF2 became such a favorite clan-match game is just one proof of this. Clans dont play on badly designed maps/games. It's all about balance, flow and stability in clan matches. BF2s maps also are all completely original, just study maps like Dragon Valley, FuShePass, Karkand, Kubra Dam, Gulf of Oman... these are giants within the "level design world", add to this also Cerbere Landings and Camp Gibraltar from 2142, and Operation Harvest from the boosterpacks.. this is leveldesigns to study and teach at schools.

The things you mention about how the maps "But the mapdesign never allowed for the common goal of winning a map." this is not a flaw in map design, it's the game mode that is fuzzy.
Conquest is actually a weird game mode, not many players understand what it's all about. On one hand you have a pool of points you need to drain to zero to win, but you can do this by holding X amount of flags (how many? no one knows. For how long? no one knows) but you can also do this by fragging.
On the other hand you have a bunch of flags you must take, but why? sure you get spawnpoints and vehicles there, but why do you really win by holding flags? and which flags? how many?

If you ask 10,000 BF2 players how fast the tickets go down and which flags they need to hold to make this happen on any map, less than 1% would give you a correct answer. And this is the core of the game mode!

This confuses players, and many just go for the kills, while others only go for flags, and some try to do everything. The actual "ticket bleed" never made sense to common players. What happens is that players in BF2 aren't actually playing the game mode, they drive and run around doing whatever they feel like in the sandbox world - and it's awesome, fun and cool, so it works anyway.. But the game mode is just this other thing that goes on on the side of the action.

In contrary to BC2 rush where the game mode is primary and on everyones focus.
If you ask 10,000 BC2 players how to win on a Rush map, 99% would tell you how to do that. And that is the core of that game mode

So if some rounds in BF2 (and FH2 as well ofcourse) feels weird or as if something just "happened" without no one really knowing what it was, it's not because of the map design. It's the game mode that isn't clearly enough communicating the "common goal" to the players.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 24-02-2011, 09:02:47
BF2 was an awesome game. I was totally blown away when I first played it. I have played that game 1000 hours it was so awesome back then.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: von.small on 24-02-2011, 10:02:17

Can I say this without being slapped a racist, it's nothing of the sort...

I fucking hate fighting in the middle east, I really don't like it, it's topical enough in RL, every fucking FPs shooter is going there, just like the buying-masses are supposedly bored of WW2 shooters, I am pig sick and fucking piss bored of seeing US vs Middle east.

Now, this Paris thing in BF3, if there's a whiff of Middle eastern terrorism about it my retrebution will be Thor like and swift.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 24-02-2011, 10:02:24
You don't like the Middle East scenery or the usage of terrorism as a background. The first I can agree on, although Africa maps are still among my favourite.
The second part is just a reason for the fighting and it's still hot and topical and all the cool kids digg it  ;)

What I would like to see a Cold war gone hot scenario which weaponry from the seventies and eighties, guys wearing faux pas moustaches, Duran Duran playing in the background and the ability to end one round with a frigging nuke!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 24-02-2011, 11:02:02
Cool video, too bad they only showed 13 seconds of ingame footage... ::)

Still looks good though. I'm gonna go and preorder it this weekend methinks.


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# Sound: DICE is working with a revised system for the sound that enables players to detect from where a vehicle or enemy soldier is coming. Every object (aka tank, helicopter) has up to 80 soundchannels with different sounds from different angles.
My X-Fi soundcard and 5.1 speaker setup do that already... :P


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# Singleplayer: there will be Quicktime-Events where you have to push the mouse buttons to win a fight. The example here: an enemy tries to stab you with a knife and you have to defend you (knock him down / kill him).
::)



@Natty: I see Conquest as a Deathmatch/Capture-the-flag hybrid, which gives you the flexibility to play it one way or the other, or a bit of both.



...I fucking hate fighting in the middle east, I really don't like it, it's topical enough in RL, every fucking FPs shooter is going there, just like the buying-masses are supposedly bored of WW2 shooters, I am pig sick and fucking piss bored of seeing US vs Middle east...
Ditto. I've had a gutful too.

Considering it's all fictional anyway (just who the hell is the MEC supposed to be?), why not set it in North Korea? Or how about a war between Europe and the 'States? South America? NZ? Iceland? Zimbabwe?

Anywhere but the effing Middle East... :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-02-2011, 11:02:05

Can I say this without being slapped a racist, it's nothing of the sort...

I fucking hate fighting in the middle east, I really don't like it, it's topical enough in RL, every fucking FPs shooter is going there, just like the buying-masses are supposedly bored of WW2 shooters, I am pig sick and fucking piss bored of seeing US vs Middle east.

Now, this Paris thing in BF3, if there's a whiff of Middle eastern terrorism about it my retrebution will be Thor like and swift.
It was fun at first, with BF2. But then like 500 games came out with modern warfare AND with frakking Americans AND with frakking Middle east


25% of all people who go airsofting are dressed up like bloody yanks in Middle east. With there fancy M4's pimped out....

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 24-02-2011, 13:02:14
Considering it's all fictional anyway (just who the hell is the MEC supposed to be?), why not set it in North Korea? Or how about a war between Europe and the 'States? South America? NZ? Iceland? Zimbabwe?

haha, Iceland.. I like that.. could have a relevant backstory as well where Iceland refuses to pay Icesave, and Holland and England invades. However would probably feature only 1 unbalanced map with angry Icelanders armed with knifes and hunting rifles on one side, and England and Holland with tanks and armed infantry and all, on the other. ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 24-02-2011, 13:02:42
You don't like the Middle East scenery or the usage of terrorism as a background. The first I can agree on, although Africa maps are still among my favourite.
The second part is just a reason for the fighting and it's still hot and topical and all the cool kids digg it  ;)

What I would like to see a Cold war gone hot scenario which weaponry from the seventies and eighties, guys wearing faux pas moustaches, Duran Duran playing in the background and the ability to end one round with a frigging nuke!
Have you played World in Conflict?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfx7aVA7Pc8
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 24-02-2011, 13:02:18
WoC is a great game! :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sgt.Radman on 24-02-2011, 13:02:56
If that trailer is REALLY from BF3 I just MIGHT have to upgrade my proccessor. Graphics card will hold together for the next 1 year. (currently running a 2.2GB Pentium E5400 DualC and GTS 250 PALIT-NVidia base)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 24-02-2011, 13:02:09
Its awfully sad, but im gonna have to run this on my xbox. i simply do not have the capability to run this on my pc
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 24-02-2011, 14:02:06
... (currently running a 2.2GB Pentium E5400 DualC and GTS 250 PALIT-NVidia base)

What is a 2.2GB Pentium E5400 DualC?  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 24-02-2011, 14:02:44
... (currently running a 2.2GB Pentium E5400 DualC and GTS 250 PALIT-NVidia base)

What is a 2.2GB Pentium E5400 DualC?  ;D

it means it's from GreatBritain..

..

I have to agree with modern desert warfare. I'd love to see battles from elsewhere in the world, in a more grand scale like WWII. I really liked how in BF1942 you played as American vs German, British vs German, American vs Japanese, Soviet vs German. I liked how you fought in Europe, North Africa, Russia & The Pacific. The variety was right there in the first release. In BF2 this was reduced to America vs MEC and America vs China. and you fought in Middle east and China.

I hope, but don't expect, BF3 to give me more of that BF1942 variety. But I'm looking forward to getting more information, and a confirmation of other maps, and I'm also already looking forward to playing BF3. It at least looks good.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 24-02-2011, 15:02:59

# Sound: DICE is working with a revised system for the sound that enables players to detect from where a vehicle or enemy soldier is coming. Every object (aka tank, helicopter) has up to 80 soundchannels with different sounds from different angles.
My X-Fi soundcard and 5.1 speaker setup do that already... :P

Rumor has it that with this game you XI-Fi soundcard will be picking it's nose while you play BF3.

You don't like the Middle East scenery or the usage of terrorism as a background. The first I can agree on, although Africa maps are still among my favourite.
The second part is just a reason for the fighting and it's still hot and topical and all the cool kids digg it  ;)

What I would like to see a Cold war gone hot scenario which weaponry from the seventies and eighties, guys wearing faux pas moustaches, Duran Duran playing in the background and the ability to end one round with a frigging nuke!
Have you played World in Conflict?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfx7aVA7Pc8

Hehe nice video. Yep I liked WiC. Now we need a FPS in those settings with shiny graphics and moustaches.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: von.small on 24-02-2011, 16:02:53
Ok, quick OT: I like the Way Joe has put "Great" in front of Britain, to me that's an archaic empire word that has long since passed.  In reality it should be "Nerf Britain", "WTF Britain" or even "SNAFU Britain".  In fact, I'd go with the last one...

BACK OT:
Yeah like Alex mentions, I am not/will not be upgrading to a Win7 for a game, I did this for BF2, so I'll be a console bitch.  Yay, 8 vs 8... sigh.

RE: Fighting in the middle east - I don't mind the desert, or Africa, it lends itself to tank/plane warfare suberbly.  It's the psychology behind it.  Modern warfare games are just done to death right now.  I can even speak some arabic because the vocal saturation is now so deep I can go into my local newspaper shop and tell them I am about to throw a grenade, or there is an enemy spy plane above.

However, there isn't really anything I'd like to see, so my arguement falls short, - I want WW2, or a game that encompasses all War, like you start in the middle ages with mele weapons and then some maps are musket and cannon like the crimea, then WW1, WW2, korea, vietnam, and perhaps I'll let a bit of modern warfare in.  That game would be super epic.  Make it so.


Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 24-02-2011, 17:02:45
battlefield 2 was great. No doubt

but then i discoverd FH2.

Heh I still love vanilla as well. Might have to book a few days of work when bf3 comes out, then spend the next few years playing the hell out of it :p

Just let me take this as proof of my statement: You came most likely to FH2 from BF2. As FH2 is a mod based on BF2 and its gameplay principles. But there is a fundamental difference between the early titles of the Battlefield series and the later titles. And BF2 marks the breaking point that exchanged the playerbase for a mod like FH2. A change of generation. FH2 is only by name the successor of FH1, but the playerbase had to be rebuild almost from scratch.

Now, I'm one of those waiting for the return of the old Battlefield franchise, though that is probably in vein.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 24-02-2011, 17:02:59
Considering it's all fictional anyway (just who the hell is the MEC supposed to be?), why not set it in North Korea? Or how about a war between Europe and the 'States? South America? NZ? Iceland? Zimbabwe?

haha, Iceland.. I like that.. could have a relevant backstory as well where Iceland refuses to pay Icesave, and Holland and England invades. However would probably feature only 1 unbalanced map with angry Icelanders armed with knifes and hunting rifles on one side, and England and Holland with tanks and armed infantry and all, on the other. ;D

Mmmmm. I like that. Let's see if your president is still so stubborn when a tank blasts his house.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 24-02-2011, 17:02:04
Re the various environments, without inventing a scenario where the EU decides to collect its loan payments from Greece in the form of territory (much as it would amuse EU (tax)p(l)ayers), there's plenty of other places besides Middle East & Afghanistan where the excrement could hit the ventilator with only a little imagination:
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 24-02-2011, 17:02:04
  • North Korea. Durp.
  • Kuril Islands. Suppose the Russia and Japan decide big words are not big enough.
  • Burma. Suppose a foreign intervention (China might join teh party on Burmese side if push came to shove), or instead, clandestine SF support to anti-junta guerillas.
  • Colombia. Between the drug cartels, FARC, and unauthorized vigilante groups, there's potential for conflict with either Venezuela or Ecuador. Suppose US involvement in any case, potentially China-Venezuela alliance.
  • Belarus. Lukashenka starts massacring protesters, EU intervenes, Russia joins the party.
  • Zimbabwe (darn, already mentioned). Assume South Africa and/or African Union decide to oust Mugabe before the instability spreads to neighbouring countries, leading into an even more frakked-up situation.
  • Kashmir. Well, there has been a low-intensity conflict going on there for decades.

What? No U.S. forces? Screw you!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dSZ36A0-GBI/TBoh52KHutI/AAAAAAAADMk/LGpJwh5oWMc/s1600/fat_soldier.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 24-02-2011, 22:02:50
Some news.

With the preorder you get this:

Back to karkand, wake island, gulf of oman and sharqi peninsula.

Disgusting wake really, Im tired of that stupid map. Its silly that even today people want it back and it was a ww2 battle. Today is just a puny piece of land.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 24-02-2011, 22:02:51
Because it's still one of the best Battlefield maps ever.

Hmm, actually I want Liberation of Caen for BF3!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 24-02-2011, 22:02:37
It was awesome in BF1942. In BF2 it sucked because of the static carrier. If they use moving carriers or something this time it'll be awesome once more. :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 24-02-2011, 22:02:04
Disgusting wake really, Im tired of that stupid map. Its silly that even today people want it back and it was a ww2 battle. Today is just a puny piece of land.

shooting from the hip, my guess is that they couldn't care less about if it was a ww2 battle or what it is today, but instead pay more interest in to how awesome it is to fight on it in the computer game they play.

But that's just a wild n crazy guess ofcourse
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 24-02-2011, 22:02:21
Wake island started getting repetitive after BF1942 multiplayer demo :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 24-02-2011, 22:02:30
I agree put wale to rest. I always preferred iwo jima, letters from iwo jima is just inspirational. As much as I enjoy 1943 I need an updated iwo jima!

I will never forget suribachi. One word that will never leave me
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: HadrianBT on 25-02-2011, 00:02:01
Modern warfare games are just done to death right now.  I can even speak some arabic because the vocal saturation is now so deep I can go into my local newspaper shop and tell them I am about to throw a grenade, or there is an enemy spy plane above.

Lol, I actually tried to do that multiple times with some arabian guysand they told me it is not perfect but comprehendable.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 25-02-2011, 20:02:11
New interview:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/02/25/battlefield-3-producer-dissects-the-fps-genre.aspx
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Comrade Roe on 27-02-2011, 18:02:34
Firstly, we need more Korean War stuff. Not nuff Korean war games. You do Vietnam, WW2, modern era, and no Korean war? What about wars America was never involved in?? Six Day War, etc. Sigh. Well, BF3 looks interesting, the only interesting feature I've never seen though in the entire game I've seen so far, is the dragging corpses behind cover for a medic. Only interesting detail making the game extra worth buying.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 27-02-2011, 19:02:07
http://www.bf-korea.de/eng/index.php  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 27-02-2011, 19:02:45
Looks pretty alright.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 27-02-2011, 19:02:40
Vaporware...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 27-02-2011, 23:02:41
What about wars America was never involved in??

Wouldn't sell enough. FH2 nearly died because there wasnt USA in.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 01-03-2011, 18:03:30
New BF3 pics and a talk of the SRAA of the Frostebite 2 engine.

http://anteru.net/projects/research/subpixel-reconstruction-antialiasing/

Also tomorrow, stay hooked to the official EA UK forums where most of the info of today event at Game Developers Conference in San Francisco where new BF3 info will be revealed to the public.

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 02-03-2011, 08:03:12
NEW SP TRAILER!

http://www.ea.com/battlefield3/videos/faultline-ep1

3 new screens:

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cowboyw54/BFSS2.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cowboyw54/BF3SS1.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cowboyw54/BFSS3.jpg

New IGN interview:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/115/1152917p2.html
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 02-03-2011, 09:03:30
Nice vid. Don't like the enormous weapon and narrow field of view though. Same with Crysis 2. Looks too much like console stuff.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 02-03-2011, 10:03:03
Mmm...BF3 *drools*
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 02-03-2011, 10:03:54
Nice vid. Don't like the enormous weapon and narrow field of view though. Same with Crysis 2. Looks too much like console stuff.

Its pre alpha dude.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: IrishReloaded on 02-03-2011, 11:03:39
why is our soldier the only one with a scope. The others dont even have their ironsight on  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 02-03-2011, 11:03:35
That video does look good.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 02-03-2011, 11:03:24
"According to Bach, dragging bodies will not be a feature in the multiplayer component."

Meh...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Beaufort on 02-03-2011, 11:03:37
Will dogs be a feature of the multiplayer ? ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eat Uranium on 02-03-2011, 11:03:33
"According to Bach, dragging bodies will not be a feature in the multiplayer component."

Meh...
What would be the point?  You can just use the zappy-paddles.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 02-03-2011, 11:03:08
"According to Bach, dragging bodies will not be a feature in the multiplayer component."

Meh...
What would be the point?  You can just use the zappy-paddles.

And then watch the medic train, then you and the medic gets killed because the dumb fuck didnt thought about reviving you in a safe place (Dragging you into a house for example).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 02-03-2011, 11:03:12
"According to Bach, dragging bodies will not be a feature in the multiplayer component."

Meh...
What would be the point?  You can just use the zappy-paddles.

It's fun? What's the whole point of playing BF3. New features are always cool and make game unique.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 02-03-2011, 13:03:26
Nice vid. Don't like the enormous weapon and narrow field of view though. Same with Crysis 2. Looks too much like console stuff.

Its pre alpha dude.
Doubt it's subject to change. It's the recent trend in most FPS games. Luckily you could simply adjust the FOV in BFBC2, hopefully this is still possible in BF3. Especially for MP it's important.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 02-03-2011, 15:03:43
"According to Bach, dragging bodies will not be a feature in the multiplayer component."

Meh...
What would be the point?  You can just use the zappy-paddles.

It's fun? What's the whole point of playing BF3. New features are always cool and make game unique.

I think it's one of those things that sound good, and works good in theory, but like so many other things in BF, ends up being silly or downright creepy in a multiplayer round.. I can imagine players dragging bodies around the whole battlefield, spelling their names with dead comrades forming the letters or symbols. Or that one strange player with disarranged Fibonacci numbers in his nick that collects bodies in a pile and then sits on top of it, shouting out "DERP DERP" and shoots anyone who tries to revive someone in his pile.

Video looks cool though, looking forward to seeing more, preferably MP battles :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 02-03-2011, 15:03:38
Something I noticed, is that all weapons shoot tracers :(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 02-03-2011, 15:03:41
Battlefield trades in realism for faster actioned gameplay. Dragging bodies is just too much stuff for a nice FPS game.

Reviving in PR (throw smokes, use CPR and epipen, heal in safe spot) feels pretty nice but it slows down gameplay way too much. The fast reviving in BF2 was one of the best features the game had as it allowed quick gameplay and teamwork in epic assaults or defenses.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 02-03-2011, 15:03:34
why is our soldier the only one with a scope. The others dont even have their ironsight on  ;D

because its alpha and they know about it. one of the devs posted on twitter that it will be fixed for release
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 02-03-2011, 17:03:39
Something I noticed, is that all weapons shoot tracers :(

yeah. kind of unrealistic =P arnt they illegal in some area's? (slightly off topic sorry)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 02-03-2011, 17:03:05
=P arnt they illegal in some area's? (slightly off topic sorry)
Why should they be illegal? o0
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 02-03-2011, 17:03:05
"According to Bach, dragging bodies will not be a feature in the multiplayer component."

Meh...
What would be the point?  You can just use the zappy-paddles.

It's fun? What's the whole point of playing BF3. New features are always cool and make game unique.

I think it's one of those things that sound good, and works good in theory, but like so many other things in BF, ends up being silly or downright creepy in a multiplayer round.. I can imagine players dragging bodies around the whole battlefield, spelling their names with dead comrades forming the letters or symbols. Or that one strange player with disarranged Fibonacci numbers in his nick that collects bodies in a pile and then sits on top of it, shouting out "DERP DERP" and shoots anyone who tries to revive someone in his pile.

LOL!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 02-03-2011, 19:03:41
=P arnt they illegal in some area's? (slightly off topic sorry)
Why should they be illegal? o0

Im not sure i coulda sworn i heard they were illegal in some states or something. anyway no matter.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Nissi on 02-03-2011, 20:03:44
Let's just still hope that it will be modable...  ;D

The vid looks really cool. I just imagined to fight under the Streets of Stalingrad in a nice FH3... *oh yeah*  :P
Oh I should stop dreaming, but well, let's pray everynight.  :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: McCloskey on 02-03-2011, 20:03:40
Oh I should stop dreaming
Yeah, you definitely should.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 02-03-2011, 21:03:04
Looks like Bad Company. I thought this is supposed to be a multiplayer shooter.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 02-03-2011, 21:03:23
=P arnt they illegal in some area's? (slightly off topic sorry)
Why should they be illegal? o0

Im not sure i coulda sworn i heard they were illegal in some states or something. anyway no matter.
Illegal for civilian maybe, not for army force :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hslan.GN_Angrybeaver on 02-03-2011, 23:03:08
am i the only one who is not a single bit impressed by the video?

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 02-03-2011, 23:03:18
So yeah, it is confirmed that BF3 is going to have semi, burst, and auto fire modes for the guns for which it applies (all three for M16), and if you watch that vid you'll notice that there are different reload animations for inserting completely emptied vs partially emptied magazines like there should be. Oh and after he reloads after a partial mag, notice that there are 31 rounds total available.

I'm not saying that these things are ground breaking features or are back-of-the-box bullet points, but it's nice to see that they're not cutting corners like with the Bad Company games when it comes to weapon mechanics.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 02-03-2011, 23:03:59
am i the only one who is not a single bit impressed by the video?



No, you are not the only one.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 02-03-2011, 23:03:40
am i the only one who is not a single bit impressed by the video?



No, you are not the only one.
It would have taken one of Rawhide's "Babe Thread" babes to stop by Flippy's house to give him a BJ while he watched that trailer in order to impress him.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 02-03-2011, 23:03:19
Dirty. :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 03-03-2011, 00:03:52
=P arnt they illegal in some area's? (slightly off topic sorry)
Why should they be illegal? o0

Im not sure i coulda sworn i heard they were illegal in some states or something. anyway no matter.
Illegal for civilian maybe, not for army force :)

I own a bunch...They are not illegal.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 03-03-2011, 01:03:26
=P arnt they illegal in some area's? (slightly off topic sorry)
Why should they be illegal? o0

Im not sure i coulda sworn i heard they were illegal in some states or something. anyway no matter.
Illegal for civilian maybe, not for army force :)

I own a bunch...They are not illegal.

IIRC, it's not legal everywhere. I've heard there are not legal in California.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 03-03-2011, 03:03:19
=P arnt they illegal in some area's? (slightly off topic sorry)
Why should they be illegal? o0

Im not sure i coulda sworn i heard they were illegal in some states or something. anyway no matter.
Illegal for civilian maybe, not for army force :)

I own a bunch...They are not illegal.

IIRC, it's not legal everywhere. I've heard there are not legal in California.

They're illegal due to fire hazards, not due to wounds such as dum dum bullets.
In other words, they're legal in military context. But they don't want a bunch of hippies going off into the woods shooting tracers during the California summer season.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 03-03-2011, 03:03:52
Thank you, I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: VonMudra on 03-03-2011, 04:03:12
I'm not impressed by the video either  :-\

Also, Kev has it correct.  Tracers are legal in most states, but states like California ban them (at least from firing them in a non-controlled environment) because of the major fire hazard.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Bravo3945 on 03-03-2011, 04:03:39
I thought BF3 was supposed to be like bf2? Multiplayer only and with bots... that looks like a campaign... Or maybe it's coop mode? ???
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Priestdk on 03-03-2011, 08:03:54
am i the only one who is not a single bit impressed by the video?



Well in the start i was not either Beaver, but lately i have to say im getting more and more impressed with the slow but steady amount of info being released also a feew major things in my eyes have been released about the game that i was kinda expecting but not sure to be in the game.

Like 64 players
Jets/choppers
prone
Greate and uniqe grafic really nice light settings, im quite impressed bye the Frostbite 2 engine. the trailers are suposivly arcording to a offical Dev on a blog or whas it twitter actul gameplay from the single player.


The last 3 things i really wanner know about is the are the maps are they going to be open and give the freedom you feldt you hade wile moving around in BF2 or are we going to get the narrow 10 meter across crap i really dont like from like BFBC2 Vietnam were you run into a wall of bullets at some places were the maps are as narrow as perhabs 10 meters across and you cant do anything then nade spam and create you own wall of bullets.

And 2 i wanner see the destruction i wanner know if a plane bombs a building especialy on of the really tall buildings already shown in the trailers (perhabs even the hotel building) is it going to be destroyed then.

Last but not least i wanner see som Multi player fighting ingame etc.

And Bravo3945 they already said there will be single player in BF3 meny times, one of the good neews is though that i read somwere in a interview or perhabs it whas a video interview that there are 2 different teams working on BF3 one on single player and one on Multi player. I dont think anyone really knows yet what kind of gameplay modes will be ingame like other then single player and Multi player,and il bet we will see regular conquest aswell ho knows what else Dice is cooking, but coop would indeed be a welcome addition.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 03-03-2011, 10:03:43
Nice graphics! Never really impressed with trailers, not even the Dead Island one. Entertaining watch.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Priestdk on 03-03-2011, 10:03:42
Nice graphics! Never really impressed with trailers, not even the Dead Island one. Entertaining watch.

Indeed but theese grafics are what you get doing gameplay, its been stated that this is howe the game will look doing gameplay even better seeing it also states under the trailer at the official homepage its alpha version.

So basicly what you see is what you get, and not like Dead island were they have stated its a cinematic trailer.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 03-03-2011, 12:03:36
So? I don't care about that, I'll probably end up owning both games anyways. I can pick games without trailers.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-03-2011, 12:03:48
I'm gonna await to see the vehicle combat first
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Priestdk on 03-03-2011, 12:03:15
So nothing i whas trying to point out to you that it was also actual game play and not just a trailer, you made it sound like you were not impressed because it whas just a trailer and its NOT its also gameplay.
like i said you get what you see here you dont get what you see in the dead island trailer.
And you used Dead Island as and excample witch was perfeckt because that whas just another trailer no more no less.
Im not telling you what to care about or not, you can pick what ever you like, i actualy dont care. ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 03-03-2011, 14:03:23
I dont understand why people want the games straight away. Do like me and wait till it sells for half the price  ;D. Wouldnt be able to play this game but my guess is in 2 years ill have it. Probably can borrow it from friends than anyway. And no im not cheap, just not really that much of a gamer is guess?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 03-03-2011, 16:03:22
It was awesome in BF1942. In BF2 it sucked because of the static carrier. If they use moving carriers or something this time it'll be awesome once more. :)

Lions Roar mod (http://www.battlefieldsingleplayer.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10493&view=findpost&p=169797) has moving frigates in it, and I've seen a moving aircraft carrier test in BF2 on youtube.

am i the only one who is not a single bit impressed by the video?

No, you are not the only one.

Me too.

EA are like accountant pirates in one of the Monty Python films. I have a theory. They burn through developers just like they are doing with DICE until they find one willing to play with their DoD/Pentagon/CIA/PsyOps/Propaganda agenda. I'm entirely convinced that one day they will be revealed as having no interest in games whatsoever. On that day I expect to be rewarded with a flying egg sandwich.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 03-03-2011, 16:03:06
Tell us more about the egg sandwich, please.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 03-03-2011, 17:03:43
Child prodigy of the once famous in his day flying spaghetti monster. Enjoys food fights.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tim270 on 03-03-2011, 17:03:02
This thread is making me way more hungry than it should be.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 03-03-2011, 17:03:27
EA are like accountant pirates in one of the Monty Python films. I have a theory. They burn through developers just like they are doing with DICE until they find one willing to play with their DoD/Pentagon/CIA/PsyOps/Propaganda agenda. I'm entirely convinced that one day they will be revealed as having no interest in games whatsoever. On that day I expect to be rewarded with a flying egg sandwich.

thinking that about EA is soooo last decade dude... you need to refresh your knowledge about game publishers...  ::)

EA is a cure little friendly puppy compared to Valve and Activision, the true money greedy evils in the game world now.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 03-03-2011, 18:03:53
at least valve listen to the comunity and releases free DLC every month or two ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 03-03-2011, 18:03:48

thinking that about EA is soooo last decade dude... you need to refresh your knowledge about game publishers...  ::)

EA is a cure little friendly puppy compared to Valve and Activision, the true money greedy evils in the game world now.

Yep, check out what happened to BFH!   ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 03-03-2011, 18:03:22
EA are like accountant pirates in one of the Monty Python films. I have a theory. They burn through developers just like they are doing with DICE until they find one willing to play with their DoD/Pentagon/CIA/PsyOps/Propaganda agenda. I'm entirely convinced that one day they will be revealed as having no interest in games whatsoever. On that day I expect to be rewarded with a flying egg sandwich.

thinking that about EA is soooo last decade dude... you need to refresh your knowledge about game publishers...  ::)

EA is a cure little friendly puppy compared to Valve and Activision, the true money greedy evils in the game world now.

Read my words please. I didn't say anything about money.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-03-2011, 18:03:34
at least valve listen to the comunity and releases free DLC every month or two ;)
I have to agree with this.

Valve might be also a big nazi company like EA, but there have been many occasions where Valve did listend to its fanbase community or that furfilled promises they made.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 03-03-2011, 20:03:35
Valve is not really a big 'nazi' company. Google and count the amount of employees, then compare to other multimillion gaming companies.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-03-2011, 20:03:32
Im sorry, please forgive me

Ye in terms of companies, Valve beats EA on everything. Better games, better listning to community.
Pretty much every Valve game i have, i am say money well spend

Cant say the same about EA games
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-03-2011, 15:03:41
new gameplay

http://multiplayer.it/video/battlefield-3_a-per-pc/battlefield-3-gameplay-gdc-2011.lo/

at the end, you can see tank and plane combat
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 04-03-2011, 16:03:07
links broken
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 04-03-2011, 16:03:49
Looked exactly like Call of Duty.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-03-2011, 16:03:41
wow, that was fast, link is already gonne.

i have the video loaded in my page, and im afraid to refresh the page xD

how do i save it to the hard disck?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-03-2011, 16:03:42
youtube link to the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UAEZsRTq8o
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 04-03-2011, 16:03:48
Looked exactly like Call of Duty.

Looked like first person shooter, I don't think it looks any more CoD than CoD look like BF2.

Looks awesome. Somehow it reminds me of BF1942 DC mod. The tank and plane gameplay especially.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 04-03-2011, 16:03:39
youtube link to the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UAEZsRTq8o
Closed lol.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 04-03-2011, 17:03:01
MU link

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZNQNL0MV

there are a lot of videos on youtube, but  they get close way to fast to post them xD

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 04-03-2011, 18:03:34
Looks good  :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Bravo3945 on 04-03-2011, 19:03:00
That building falling is awesome though I do realize it is the Campaign and it's probably a simple scripted action I hope MP has buildings that fall according to a physics engine.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Damecos on 04-03-2011, 23:03:44
Looked exactly like Call of Duty.
Looked only vaguely like Call of Duty. Simply because it's a war-based FPS with a cinematic campaign, which is common among most titles in the genre these days. The superficial details (eg. graphics and sound) are far superior.

Importantly it's only a small pre-alpha taste of singleplayer, nothing regarding multiplayer.



Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 16-03-2011, 16:03:04
http://www.ea.com/uk/battlefield3/videos/battlefield-3-fault-line-episode-2

The best PRE-ALPHA footage i have seen ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 16-03-2011, 16:03:23
Looked exactly like Call of Duty.

you know what?

It didn't  8)

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-03-2011, 16:03:58
http://www.ea.com/uk/battlefield3/videos/battlefield-3-fault-line-episode-2

The best PRE-ALPHA footage i have seen ;D
IS THAT a M240 aka FN MAG at 1.05?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 16-03-2011, 16:03:57
So where is all this "Battlefield" Im supposed to see? Only thing I see is something that looks exactly like CoD/MoH. Getting no Battlefield vibes out of these videos at all.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-03-2011, 16:03:53
Not to mention the launching of AT4 without aiming down the sight and watching how there is little recoil


ooh dear
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 16-03-2011, 16:03:38
IS THAT a M240 aka FN MAG at 1.05?
Yup thats M240.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 16-03-2011, 16:03:45
Not to mention the launching of AT4 without aiming down the sight and watching how there is little recoil


ooh dear

Still trying to figure out where this recoil thing is coming from, like BF2 would have had any recoil... (or BF42 or BFV

Well it looks really good can't wait for this and Skyrim.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-03-2011, 16:03:57
a bit of shaking i mean when you launch that thing

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 16-03-2011, 16:03:16
Its Pre-alpha ffs. ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-03-2011, 16:03:56
Its Pre-alpha ffs. ::)
JUST SAYING FFS

Now shut up and let me enjoy the view of that M240!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 16-03-2011, 17:03:47
Only thing I see is something that looks exactly like CoD/MoH.

exactly the same?  ;D
you is funny

(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/104/1043366/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-20091109113914386.jpg)

(http://www.gamereactor.se/media/75/battlefield3_nteaser_237586b.png)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 16-03-2011, 17:03:45
Exactly same. Stop being so daft and ignorant to those who dont hail and bend over for DICE. It has nothing BF so far, except the title.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 16-03-2011, 17:03:33
They are miles apart! If you look closely, you'll notice that the palmtrees are slightly thicker in BF3.



(http://www.gamereactor.se/media/75/battlefield3_nteaser_237586b.png)

(http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/call-of-duty-4-modern-warfare-screenshot-big.jpg)

There, argument settled.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-03-2011, 17:03:28
in one way this looks awesome

but i was always more of a content man, not a graphics one

-Wich factions will be in BF3? Will it as usual be US army vs some other army? If Russia's in, thats nice. but still
-Will it be like CoD?
-Vehicles. I wanna see how first how this will be
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 16-03-2011, 18:03:55
not very impressed ><.

MP when??
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 16-03-2011, 19:03:11
Ok I as never hyped for bf3, all I know about it is based on these 2 videos, that a friend pointed me to. I haven't even read this thread, apart from the last page.

Only thing that kinda got me excited was the backblast mentioned. Maybe they are throwing some other features and possibilities like this in there as well. If thats true, I might actually get this in a few years, when some reality mods start to pop up. What about multiplayer?Is there going to be more than 64 players or are they sticking with the less players is more fun theory?

And yes, it does look like COD. If it wasn't for the logo in the beginning and at end, I would never have taken it for a battlefield game, whereas bf2's intro video for example clearly has a distinctive "battlefield feeling" to it. More videos coming I assume, so this all might change.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 16-03-2011, 19:03:23
this is not the bf3 intro  ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 16-03-2011, 19:03:12
Yeah, thats why i said this feeling might change. I honestly don't remember the first bf194 and bf2 trailers, to make a comaprison.

The point was, these 2 videos lack the battlefield feeling, that veteran players are familiar with.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 16-03-2011, 19:03:39
It lacks the Battlefield feeling, because old BFs didn't have real single player. Old BF fans consider single player as "CoD"
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 16-03-2011, 19:03:27
It lacks the Battlefield feeling, because old BFs didn't have real single player. Old BF fans consider single player as "CoD"
This, very much this.

I want a great Battlefield multi player game, not another BC2/CoD SP campaign that you can finish in five hours.

That being said, I have heard mainly only good things about those games, and I have enjoyed the ones I have played. I absolutely loved the SAS missions in CoD4.

But come on, give me a real Battlefield game!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 16-03-2011, 19:03:43
I don't know, for me battlefield equals combined combat with massive amount of players. Tanks, APC's, Airforce, Naval combat, none of that was present in these videos. Even putting the single player elements showcased aside, there was nothing that couldn't be CoD. Also, getting compared to COD is not a bad thing really, no need to take it personally. And again, battlefield moments should be present in some of the next videos, at least that's what I would if I was trying to sell bf3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 16-03-2011, 20:03:49
Same like everyone else said. Don't really care about the SP. These videos are nice for showing of the engine but when some MP gameplay gets released we can tell if it's a genuine BF title or not.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-03-2011, 20:03:14
It lacks the Battlefield feeling, because old BFs didn't have real single player. Old BF fans consider single player as "CoD"
This, very much this.

I want a great Battlefield multi player game, not another BC2/CoD SP campaign that you can finish in five hours.

That being said, I have heard mainly only good things about those games, and I have enjoyed the ones I have played. I absolutely loved the SAS missions in CoD4.

But come on, give me a real Battlefield game!
^this aswel

Battlefield was the first real FPS multiplayer experience i ever got. Singleplayer was more to practise the ways and weapons, the vehicles and the maps.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 16-03-2011, 22:03:30
There is something like seven months from now untill release BF3. To build up the tension they are slowly releasing trailers and teasers.
You begin with the small stuff. Single player showing the possibilities of the engine.
And you end with a big multi orgasm demo of total combined multiplayer warfare as we would like to see it.

Haven't you guys and girls heard of foreplay  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 16-03-2011, 23:03:22
BF feeling is really strange to feel.

There's always humor in all the BFs. I mean the way then animations are, the way people talk, actions they do.

For exemple in FH2, seeing a guy saying "Schnell, luss!" and then running away from you and stopping, looking in a direction and then say the retreat voice of germans and running back at you is priceless.

Or I like the way the vehicle like apc and tanks looks alive in BF, or idiots lol. Sometimes they behave like animals, that's really funny. That's the BF feeling,
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 16-03-2011, 23:03:45
I know what you mean. The smacktards are half the battlefield.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 16-03-2011, 23:03:43
I know what you mean. The smacktards are half the battlefield.

Totally.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: sn00x on 17-03-2011, 00:03:52
Same like everyone else said. Don't really care about the SP. These videos are nice for showing of the engine but when some MP gameplay gets released we can tell if it's a genuine BF title or not.

this this this this one more time, THIS!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: HadrianBT on 17-03-2011, 00:03:33
I recall I was once alone in a Grant in Mersa Matruh and a German was trying to place a mine underneath my tank. Every time I managed to escape (didn't have enough time to actually man the upper cannon and was out of HE for main gun). But he kept running towards me and shouting "Warten Sie mich!" :)
I laughed my ass off.
And I agree, some vanilla animations were just awesome. Like the medic shaking his Medpack to hear what's inside. Or the knife animation "come to papa". Or the sniper's finger getting stuck in the little ring handing on the Barett.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 17-03-2011, 03:03:53
I recall I was once alone in a Grant in Mersa Matruh and a German was trying to place a mine underneath my tank. Every time I managed to escape (didn't have enough time to actually man the upper cannon and was out of HE for main gun). But he kept running towards me and shouting "Warten Sie mich!" :)
I laughed my ass off.
And I agree, some vanilla animations were just awesome. Like the medic shaking his Medpack to hear what's inside. Or the knife animation "come to papa". Or the sniper's finger getting stuck in the little ring handing on the Barett.

Yes exactly this kind of thing with the grant hahaha. Or a thing on Brest, a guy look me, and say "Roger that!" then he sprints like hell in the middle of the street running at the PZIV and start jumping around the gun, everybody in the squad laughed hahahaa
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 17-03-2011, 07:03:57
It lacks the Battlefield feeling, because old BFs didn't have real single player. Old BF fans consider single player as "CoD"

yea, but you hear how silly it sounds if DICE would use that as an argument for not making a singleplayer to their games right? That a bunch of old players consider single player to be "cod"...  ::)
This is the new battlefield. Old players dont know anything about this game, so they will need to change their old dogmas and accept the fact that the old game they used to play in 2002-2005 has been updated.  8)

There is something like seven months from now untill release BF3. To build up the tension they are slowly releasing trailers and teasers.
You begin with the small stuff. Single player showing the possibilities of the engine.
And you end with a big multi orgasm demo of total combined multiplayer warfare as we would like to see it.

Haven't you guys and girls heard of foreplay  ;)

EXACTLY^  :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 17-03-2011, 11:03:36
and now we have games that lower the threshold  aka dumbed down ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 17-03-2011, 20:03:51
what "threshold"?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 17-03-2011, 22:03:24
IDK, ask DICE, they said that in an interview.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 18-03-2011, 00:03:15
The market isn't diversified enough, IMHO. We have games 6+, 12+, 14+, 16+ and 18+. They concentrated on the young ones, while they now deal the elders who had no expirience at all. But where are the games for people aged 20 and above that are actually expirienced? Good games are rare in this segment.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 18-03-2011, 19:03:55
Concerning FPS i totally agree
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Vicious on 19-03-2011, 20:03:43
*Possible Spoiler Alert*

Did anyone notice at the end of Fault Line Pt. 2 that he was tossed the AT-4? Anyone think that means we'll see that feature in multiplayer? Need a patch? Grenade? hell, AT-4? just toss it to your buddy.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 19-03-2011, 20:03:42
^ Scripted singleplayer
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Vicious on 19-03-2011, 20:03:16
well maybe it opens the doors for modding to be done with that.

so let me get this straight... I can blow up a building... but I can't hand you my knife? lol
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 19-03-2011, 20:03:55
You obviously dont know alot about gamedevelopment..

same as i can fly a multimillion helicopter with 0 hours training but i cant crawl under this tree ( Bad company 2 referance )
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Vicious on 19-03-2011, 23:03:24
You obviously dont know alot about gamedevelopment..

same as i can fly a multimillion helicopter with 0 hours training but i cant crawl under this tree ( Bad company 2 reference )

no your right, how the hell would I? all I know is that it seems out of scale that you can blow up a building but you can't hand someone something. all i know is that other games have these features so it's not like were hitting a real wall in physical demand on the cpu like you get with things like huge destructible graphics and 128-256 player servers. it's only code.

in the single-player trailer the main thing that gives it away is the animation in his direction. for multi-player the animation could not exist and things could simply drop like PR already has, or just appear in your inventory, like a give feature found in resident evil.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 20-03-2011, 10:03:49

 it's only code.


nope, it's design. If the designer dont want you to be able to hand someone a knife, you wont be able to do that. But if he wants you to be able to blow a hole in a wall, you will be able to do that.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: samnadine on 20-03-2011, 15:03:47
Battlefield 1942 was a very innovative game, outside the market. BF2 kept a bit of its style, a game without singleplayer and full warfare battle scale. However BF3 introduces many of the market trends. Doesn't mean it's bad at all, but it's not anymore the market leader in developing new concepts. It's BF2 adding new cinematic features.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 20-03-2011, 16:03:28
BF2 had a fair few innovations as well like squad play, unlockable equipment, a battlefield commander and persistent stats.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-03-2011, 16:03:22
And an new spotting system

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kalkalash on 20-03-2011, 17:03:05
Let's just hope they bring something new to the genre.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 20-03-2011, 19:03:08
as long as they keep automatic knife,granade and ammo pool out, i will consider buy it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-03-2011, 20:03:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbW98JYSjos

Awesome! Deployable machine guns!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 30-03-2011, 21:03:55
"Back To Karkand" expansion pack? So wait your going to charge me MORE money for a completed part of the game that you are not going to include at release?

*face palm*

im giving up on games
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 30-03-2011, 21:03:51
"Back To Karkand" expansion pack? So wait your going to charge me MORE money for a completed part of the game that you are not going to include at release?

*face palm*

im giving up on games

You won't have to pay any more than other people, you just have to preorder it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-03-2011, 21:03:49
Steam always gives better Pre-order deals
Like the epic free Metro 2033 i got for preordering homefront
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 31-03-2011, 16:03:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbW98JYSjos

Awesome! Deployable machine guns!


Confirmed for MP too?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-03-2011, 16:03:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbW98JYSjos

Awesome! Deployable machine guns!


Confirmed for MP too?
ooooh good one mate! Good one!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-03-2011, 19:03:54
"Back To Karkand" expansion pack? So wait your going to charge me MORE money for a completed part of the game that you are not going to include at release?

*face palm*

im giving up on games

it even says in big orange letter "at no extra charge"  ::)
http://www.ea.com/battlefield3/blog/bf3-pre-order

and limited edition of games does usually cost more or, are limited so only those who buy fast get that copy. They also usually include other exclusive items.
"unique rewards, new achievements/trophies, and more."

This is how marketing of products work.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 31-03-2011, 19:03:19
The rest of us will probably get the expansion in a later patch or something.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 31-03-2011, 19:03:52
"Back To Karkand" expansion pack? So wait your going to charge me MORE money for a completed part of the game that you are not going to include at release?

*face palm*

im giving up on games

it even says in big orange letter "at no extra charge"  ::)
http://www.ea.com/battlefield3/blog/bf3-pre-order

and limited edition of games does usually cost more or, are limited so only those who buy fast get that copy. They also usually include other exclusive items.
"unique rewards, new achievements/trophies, and more."

This is how marketing of products work.

Pre-ordering is an extra charge in my opinion, just look at how damn expensive new games are these days. I happily pay 35 euros, few games can get me to pay 50..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 31-03-2011, 19:03:20
"Back To Karkand" expansion pack? So wait your going to charge me MORE money for a completed part of the game that you are not going to include at release?

*face palm*

im giving up on games

it even says in big orange letter "at no extra charge"  ::)
http://www.ea.com/battlefield3/blog/bf3-pre-order

and limited edition of games does usually cost more or, are limited so only those who buy fast get that copy. They also usually include other exclusive items.
"unique rewards, new achievements/trophies, and more."

This is how marketing of products work.

Yes, and then a month or two later the Karkand expansion is released for an extra 15 - 20 bucks. Im not preordering, I dont preorder any game. Thats just stupid.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 31-03-2011, 19:03:28
(http://www.jpgdump.com/files/7389)

the reallity of gaming today D:
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-03-2011, 19:03:30
+1 Sicario
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 31-03-2011, 19:03:04
My Point exactly Sicario.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-03-2011, 20:03:04
Thats just stupid.

no, it isn't. If it was, people wouldn't do it  ;) pre-ordering is getting bigger and bigger every year, and more and more design and production planning can be involved in it.

that mona lisa picture had one truth in it: it's not 1999 anymore, times are changing.  8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 31-03-2011, 20:03:29
that mona lisa picture had one truth in it: it's not 1999 anymore, times are changing.  8)

Indeed, people are becoming more and more stupid (to pay full price for an unfinished game, and then pay even more to get it finished)  :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 31-03-2011, 20:03:44
of course time change! we get less content for bigger prices! isnt this wonderfull??
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 31-03-2011, 20:03:58
Thats just stupid.

no, it isn't. If it was, people wouldn't do it  ;) pre-ordering is getting bigger and bigger every year, and more and more design and production planning can be involved in it.

that mona lisa picture had one truth in it: it's not 1999 anymore, times are changing.  8)

Man, DICE has really swung the corporate hammer of you hasn't it there Natty?

Preordering only gets bigger because people are becoming idiots, it forces you into the companies big opening day sale along with whomever else may go and buy it on the day it comes out, so that the company can make an instantaneous huge amount of profit, and then later benefit even MORE from those people that didn't buy into their little corporate trick, by charging them 15 dollars for content that should have been included in the release version of the game, and then designing their multiplayer so that you get filled with constant annoyances, and eventually become bored of it, so that you WILL purchase it.

Brilliant to make money, stupid to those of us not dumb enough to buy into it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-03-2011, 20:03:28
Indeed, people are becoming more and more stupid (to pay full price for an unfinished game, and then pay even more to get it finished)  :-\
Why is it stupid to pay for something you want? And the game isn't unfinished, you just don't get the extra cool stuff you get in pre-order. Becuase that's what it is extra, exlusive stuff that you don't get if you don't pre-order. Very simple logic. Even the "stupid" people that buys pre-preder gets it  :D

of course time change! we get less content for bigger prices! isnt this wonderfull??
you get less content in BF3 than what you did in BF2? ok.. wait... LOL!

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-03-2011, 20:03:59
In terms of expansions? yes

Sorry natty but the picture is correct

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-03-2011, 20:03:19
Preordering only gets bigger because people are becoming idiots
wow, deep analysis from you there.. ok, I guess people are "idiots" for buying a game they have waited for for years.. sure.

as I stated; logic is simple, here is how it works:

A) go to the store on release day and buy a box - get the full game
B) buy it months ahead, get the full game + get access to cool stuff you only get in pre-order.

That's it. Trying to brand people that does it unintelligent is quite useless, subjective and immature, and really doesn't make any difference to anyone else than yourself.  ;)

About the "brainwashing" remark. My answer is: "wow, teh interwebz must really have swung the conspiracy theory hammer on you, hasn't it there?"
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 31-03-2011, 20:03:13
Preordering only gets bigger because people are becoming idiots
wow, deep analysis from you there.. ok, I guess people are "idiots" for buying a game they have waited for for years.. sure.

as I stated; logic is simple, here is how it works:

A) go to the store on release day and buy a box - get the full game
B) buy it months ahead, get the full game + get access to cool stuff you only get in pre-order.

That's it. Trying to brand people that does it unintelligent is quite useless, subjective and immature, and really doesn't make any difference to anyone else than yourself.  ;)



hahaha oh boy. Just when I thought Natty couldn't get any better xD Peace out everybody.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-03-2011, 20:03:18
yep, as usual you failed to make any sort of point.... that people are... stupid? or that EA is a money hungry evil corporation that uses brainwashing techniques to suck people for money.. wow.. way to credit those people and pretty much label everyone except yourself as idiots.

I Lol'd  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Leopardi on 31-03-2011, 20:03:21
IM so glad torrent exists xD
so you can tell DICE that PC as lead platform in the future is not worth it?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-03-2011, 20:03:37
IM so glad torrent exists xD
so you can tell DICE that PC as lead platform in the future is not worth it?

^ this ^ ... dont worry Leo, I dont think this is a can we want to open... I think it will smell inside.  :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 31-03-2011, 20:03:13
Everybody just ignore Natty and he'll go away. He is totally cuckoo and out of whack.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-03-2011, 20:03:28
yep... completely nutter.... I mean, thinking pre-ordering is a sweet offer for games, what cuckoo madness!

 ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 31-03-2011, 20:03:23
IM so glad torrent exists xD
so you can tell DICE that PC as lead platform in the future is not worth it?

if they wanna develope for PC they have to realize that pc players have higher expectations for games...at least i do. i brought games that are worth playing, red orchestra,minecraft, bf42, hl2, etc. If people wanna fall for "pay us now before playing the game so you can have maps that later will cost you moar" then go ahead, preorder. i wouldnt give them a single € until i know for sure what im buying.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-03-2011, 20:03:51
thanks for this evenings interwebz lulz  8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 31-03-2011, 20:03:51
Pre-ordering its a double edged weapon, even if one edge gives you gift that the other wont have. I rather wait out till I know how the game is, before buying.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 31-03-2011, 21:03:04
IMO I am want DICE to take my money as they are making PC lead platform and making battlefield 3 (as I am die-hard battlefield fan). DICE TAKE MONEY!! ;D

(http://gomademascar.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1520931-take_my_money_super.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 31-03-2011, 21:03:50
I believe DLCs are another reaction of the content industry on filesharing. They are squeezing those who are willing to pay even more.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 31-03-2011, 21:03:44
Its like apple products
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 31-03-2011, 22:03:31
of course time change! we get less content for bigger prices! isnt this wonderfull??
You have to admit though that game budgets have increased alot. Games are alot more realistic and developing assets takes alot more manpower. I don't believe prices have increased that much, 5 years ago I paid 50 euros for a game as well if I went to a regular game store.

DLC is a way to recoup some of the development costs although I admit that the practices of companies like Activision/IW are ridiculous in this regard.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Chadoi on 01-04-2011, 00:04:17
of course time change! we get less content for bigger prices! isnt this wonderfull??
You have to admit though that game budgets have increased alot. Games are alot more realistic and developing assets takes alot more manpower. I don't believe prices have increased that much, 5 years ago I paid 50 euros for a game as well if I went to a regular game store.

DLC is a way to recoup some of the development costs although I admit that the practices of companies like Activision/IW are ridiculous in this regard.

That sure is true. I can remember paying £50.00 for Metal Gear Solid from Woolworths in 1999.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 01-04-2011, 00:04:25
Sigh .. this discussion again. I shall repeat it again in case you missed it last time.
Games in 1990 cost 50 euros (110 Guilders in those days). 20 years later, a whole lot of inflation later and bigger game budgets later ... the games are even cheaper!

I take 10 seconds to google a price comparison site, I preorder from the cheapest site and I buy a game for 35 euros !!! A new game for 35 euros.
Then comes the DLC .. Oh dear I must buy this otherwise my life has no meaning ..... NO I don't.
It's a nice thing to have a choice. You have the core experience and get to choose of you want the side crap on your dish.

I've been playing games for twenty+ years now and it only got cheaper and better.

When I was playing Warlock on the C64 I could only dream of games like Battlefield 2, Mass Effect, Baldur's gate, Half Life. Speaking of Half Life when the bloody hell is the next episode coming? I've almost forgotten the whole story line.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Vicious on 01-04-2011, 01:04:24
speaking the truth NTH, my parents paid $50 for Mortal Kombat 2 on my 10th birthday, almost 15 years later games are only an extra $10, sure I'll preorder.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 01-04-2011, 01:04:48
Natty was in rare form today I see
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 01-04-2011, 08:04:38
Games in the EU are rediculously expensive, here in NL they used to be 50 gulden which' currency was worth about 2 euros. Instead of making prices 25 euros, they just switched the money icon... I never bought a game since then unless it was totally worth it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 01-04-2011, 08:04:19
NTH, you should explain more about how inflation rate works.

IMO, games improve overtime in many different directions.

There are those who go straight upwards (like Gran Turismo series), with more contents, better quality, smarter computer opponent AI, more realistic, more customization, interface, interaction, and multiplayer capability.

There are those who aim for the specifics. Battlefield series totally dump singleplayer, sea warfare, etc for more graphics, multiplayer, interaction, customization, etc... however they are sure to be improving.

In short, there must be some improvement in BF3, and some people are willing to buy it, even though they sacrifice several aspects that "used to be" cool in previous series.

Games in the EU are rediculously expensive, here in NL they used to be 50 gulden which' currency was worth about 2 euros. Instead of making prices 25 euros, they just switched the money icon... I never bought a game since then unless it was totally worth it.

Are you sure they are legit version?

FYI, in Singapore, before they drive away illegal/pirated software out of street market, it used to cost SGD 10 a title for pirated version, the legit version is around SGD 60-90. Since people used to buy pirated games most of the time (due to the price), they simply feels the price is increasing overtime when piracy is slowly driven away overtime.

In Indonesia, the pirated software used to be IDR 8,000 (CD), then currently at IDR 25,000 (DVD) each. The legit ones is rated at IDR 480,000-700,000. They are both still sold side-by-side, if you want MP, you buy the licensed ones, if you are not so concerned about IP rights stuff, then you can save for the morale.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-04-2011, 08:04:13
In short, there must be some improvement in BF3

it's safe to say there is, yea...  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 01-04-2011, 09:04:57
  BF3 will be the cats ass.  If it is the awesome modifiable game I buy for PC is another question.  I am going to hand EA money either way.  The big question is rather I play this only on the console or on the PC as well.   
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-04-2011, 09:04:34
Between now and End 2011 i have no other games looking forward to, so i'll take BF3 aswel.

Something tells me it just wont be "another Cod game" i dont know what it is.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Priestdk on 01-04-2011, 09:04:27
The only thing that really bugs me about this preorder extra thingy is that from the start you will already see the servers/players devidet, if you havent pre ordert the game you will end up getting kicked from the servers that play the pre order extra maps if you dont have it. It is like in the old days of battlefield 2 just from the start of the game, were people that did not bye an expansion played on a server if the server ran those maps people would get kicked automaticaly. I remember that sins i newer baught Euroforces expansion.

So instead this will happen from the start now seeing the pre order people will be able to play aditionaly 4 maps remade for BF3.

I just hope we can eventualy pre order on steam that is the only electronic game portal i use, to bye games over the net if not i will get a hard copy from a shop, with means no pre order maps.

Unless offcaus the rest will get them later in a patch relativly fast after release.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 01-04-2011, 12:04:21
This is what concerns me:
Quote
Pre-order Battlefield 3 to receive the digital expansion pack Battlefield 3: Back to Karkand at no extra charge!...
- http://www.ea.com/battlefield3/blog/bf3-pre-order
WTF does that mean?... >:(

The DVD version of the game's gonna include a voucher/coupon for the EA Store that lets me download it for free?



Regarding price, I remember paying about 60-70 bucks for Overdrive (by Team 17) on the Amiga in '93-'94, and the last new release/"full price" game I bought was Civilization V, which cost me 90 bucks... :)



Between now and End 2011 i have no other games looking forward to...
Really? All the cool kids are looking forward to seeing this guy again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5svP9Wu0nk

 ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-04-2011, 12:04:14
*Dives into a bunker, and peeks his head out the hatch just before closing it=
I never played duke nukem
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-04-2011, 13:04:53
cannonfodder, we have auto updaters now  ;) ever since BF Heroes, you dont need to download anything, the game does everything for you when you start it. The game also know if your profile has access to the limited stuff.

Technology 2011  8)

@Priest: you don't need to worry about players being divided.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 01-04-2011, 13:04:18
Between now and End 2011 i have no other games looking forward to, so i'll take BF3 aswel.

Something tells me it just wont be "another Cod game" i dont know what it is.

check out red orchestra 2 ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 01-04-2011, 13:04:16
Games in the EU are rediculously expensive, here in NL they used to be 50 gulden which' currency was worth about 2 euros. Instead of making prices 25 euros, they just switched the money icon... I never bought a game since then unless it was totally worth it.

Sander, that's just plain wrong. Games were around 110 Guilders depending on the game. Here you can see Zoo tycoon, not an Triple A game, for 99 guilders --> http://www.gamersnet.nl/nieuws/200110/zoo_tycoon_aangekondigd/ (http://www.gamersnet.nl/nieuws/200110/zoo_tycoon_aangekondigd/)
They have been this price in the days of the Amiga and they have been in the days when PC games were upcoming.

Let's take Crysis 2 and Shift 2: Unleased for example.
Just out and I can buy them from 35 Euros. Throw some discount coupons, Freebees, Fuel saver or whatever and I am buying a brand new game for 30 euros.

@Zoo
General price inflation, more competitors due to Webshops, quality of Product inflation(this one is very subjective) and Production cost inflation, all went up while prices of games actually went down.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 01-04-2011, 13:04:33
@THeTA: Duke's been kickin' around since the early '90's, although I've only ever played Duke Nukem 3D.

The best video game character ever, he's just a complete piss-take of your stereotypical Hollywood action hero...and he talks like Dirty Harry. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_%28character%29

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem



You miss my point Natty. I'm aware of auto-updaters (Civ V does it through Steam), my problem is having to download, at my expense, these so-called free maps.

If they want to encourage people to pre-order the "Battlefield 3 Limited Edition" on DVD, the least they can do is go to the effort of actually making one (with the maps included), as opposed to taking a standard copy and sticking a coupon inside... :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-04-2011, 13:04:11
Games in the EU are rediculously expensive, here in NL they used to be 50 gulden which' currency was worth about 2 euros. Instead of making prices 25 euros, they just switched the money icon... I never bought a game since then unless it was totally worth it.

Sander, that's just plain wrong. Games were around 110 Guilders depending on the game. Here you can see Zoo tycoon, not an Triple A game, for 99 guilders --> http://www.gamersnet.nl/nieuws/200110/zoo_tycoon_aangekondigd/ (http://www.gamersnet.nl/nieuws/200110/zoo_tycoon_aangekondigd/)
They have been this price in the days of the Amiga and they have been in the days when PC games were upcoming.

Let's take Crysis 2 and Shift 2: Unleased for example.
Just out and I can buy them from 35 Euros. Throw some discount coupons, Freebees, Fuel saver or whatever and I am buying a brand new game for 30 euros.

@Zoo
General price inflation, more competitors due to Webshops, quality of Product inflation(this one is very subjective) and Production cost inflation, all went up while prices of games actually went down.
Not to mention steam

I payed 50 euro for Homefront, i recieved metro 2033 for free, and in retail Homefront costs between 55 and 60 euro
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 01-04-2011, 14:04:35
Steam is actually being a bitch on Europeans as they rate the Euro and Dollar as equal value..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-04-2011, 15:04:43
Steam is actually being a bitch on Europeans as they rate the Euro and Dollar as equal value..

This... Also 50 to 60 € is way too much for a game in a country where an average monthly salary is around 750 € (my country).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 01-04-2011, 15:04:59
It's a tough decision to buy this game are not...if it doesnt have mod tools every hope for playing this game for years will end, just like BF2. Probably EA will not let release mod tools because it will hurt their DLC sales. Now that I think it, it would be a good idea to have those tools as DLC.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 01-04-2011, 17:04:28
Let's hypothetically say they did release mod tools, Yustax, which mod would you see starting with BF3?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-04-2011, 17:04:20
Cold war mod


I give everything for battlefield Cold war game with realistic penetration values, shell balistics, all Cold war vehicles(as much as possible), many nations (US, UK , Germanies, france, japan vs Russia, warsaw pact nations vs CHIINNAA and India and ofcourse 128-256 players on a map, infantry combat between BF2 and PR(aka FH2 style)
And everything to make COMPLETE armies

THE THOUGHT= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GHX8dvuFUQ
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 01-04-2011, 18:04:12
Let's hypothetically say they did release mod tools, Yustax, which mod would you see starting with BF3?


Well, if someone managed to pull of a few simple changes, the result could be quite nice and make it worth getting bf3. Stuff like increased damage done by all projectiles, making the backblast more powerful for handheld AT weapons, removal of any unnecessary commander tools or some unrealistic features, reduced damage done to the destroyable environment by grenades for example, reduced tank turret speeds, limiting AT kits and such by making them pickup kits only. I could probably come up with more, if the full feature list in bf3 had been released. In general, little stuff to slow the gameplay a bit down and make the use of tactics possible, instead of just "run-around-and-click-on-the-enemy".

Or of course the exact opposite could be done by someone, who would prefer to change the gameplay in that direction.

This seems like something that could be done even without mod support, or am I wrong? Because I very well may be wrong :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 01-04-2011, 18:04:12
@Zoo
General price inflation, more competitors due to Webshops, quality of Product inflation(this one is very subjective) and Production cost inflation, all went up while prices of games actually went down.

LOL I believe more in wealth creation theory.  ;D

More people are having real productive jobs nowadays, making some real money, therefore we have to print more money to represent the growth. Because of the increasing quantity of money in the market, the value of the money would decrease accordingly over time while the value of things remains the same (it can be considered cheaper if you believe in the "quality of product inflation").

The preorder bonus is a common marketing tactic. Generally investors wanted to see early returns from the project and gain as much as possible at the shortest period, while the value of the investment (because of the trend factor, freshness, coolness, and such) is still at the maximum. This is called maximizing sales.

My advise is for you to simply question yourself: do you really think one extra good map compels you to buy the game? (Assuming the new Karkand map would be a wonderful one). People like Lainer is good for the economy, he is a conscious spender:

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BF3 will be the cats ass.  If it is the awesome modifiable game I buy for PC is another question.  I am going to hand EA money either way.

He is going to buy one has budgeted for one.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 01-04-2011, 20:04:55
@Krad
Kind of like a hardcore mode, stuff like that.

@Zoo
Maximizing sales? That might be so, depends on the investment deal that is struck, if any.
Since games are published by a publisher, like EA or Ubisoft, I believe the ROI is of course important, but they won't cut the margins just to get the quick fix.
There is no continuity in the long run if you do business like that.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 02-04-2011, 05:04:27
That's why it is only for the pre-order versions of that game.

I'll just wait to see the others playing and post a review of it. I cannot be be persuaded by Beta-version review or even release version sneak-peek reviews. They contain too many promotions for sure.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: mopskind on 16-04-2011, 19:04:47
12 Minutes gameplay- mostly known stuff but also some new scenes.

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=1589&pk=18074

Sound and graphics are stunning, but the AI..meh. I hope they will work on that
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 16-04-2011, 19:04:29
Also, as pointed out by Barth:
Quote
Just saw it seems the cartridges aren't moving on the HMG mounted on the pick-up when firing! For a modern game like BF3, that's strange, even on BF42 it was "moving" (well, you see what I mean).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-04-2011, 19:04:45
*awaits the ITS STILL ALPHA excuse
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 16-04-2011, 19:04:10
Also, as pointed out by Barth:
Quote
Just saw it seems the cartridges aren't moving on the HMG mounted on the pick-up when firing! For a modern game like BF3, that's strange, even on BF42 it was "moving" (well, you see what I mean).


We finally get animations for entering vehicles in the BF series and THAT'S what you noticed in that scene?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: -Svea-Livgarde- on 16-04-2011, 19:04:50
I dont like the coloring of the game, a bit too dull and dim. And to make it more realistic, they should remove ammo HUD indicator. But it looks amazing, and I will probably buy it. Maybe last game before its children making time.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 16-04-2011, 19:04:24
I dont like the coloring of the game, a bit too dull and dim. And to make it more realistic, they should remove ammo HUD indicator. But it looks amazing, and I will probably buy it. Maybe last game before its children making time.

Or rather, have it show only number of magazines and the weight/estimated amount of rounds left.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Gezoes on 16-04-2011, 20:04:13
12 Minutes gameplay- mostly known stuff but also some new scenes.

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=1589&pk=18074

Sound and graphics are stunning, but the AI..meh. I hope they will work on that

I hope they don't. MP is the ****  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-04-2011, 23:04:04
12 Minutes gameplay- mostly known stuff but also some new scenes.

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=1589&pk=18074

Sound and graphics are stunning, but the AI..meh. I hope they will work on that

I hope they don't. MP is the ****  ;)
Euhm Battlefield is all about singleplayer
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: General_Henry on 17-04-2011, 06:04:44
I am not going to spend money on this because my computer simply cannot handle it.

And I am not going to spend money on a new computer, since this still worked very well.

If I really managed to get a new computer this this game is moddable, I'll consider buying it, else...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 17-04-2011, 08:04:10
Quote
"The game is still early in development, but I can tell you that Battlefield 3 will have the largest maps we have ever made" - Patrick Bach, DICE
- http://bf3blog.com/2011/04/dice-bf3-will-have-the-largest-maps-weve-ever-made/

I find this a bit strange considering they aren't increasing the player count, add a couple more flags and most full-size BF2 maps could easily handle another couple of dozen players.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 17-04-2011, 09:04:49
Well that statement can go both ways; the maps in BC2 were as big as BF2's but they had huge red zones... Eventually the actual playing field was rather small. Could be the same for BF3, could be that they figured out how to compensate. (ie vehicles were moving rather slow in BF2 so more realistic speeds should compensate already)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: mopskind on 17-04-2011, 10:04:13
12 Minutes gameplay- mostly known stuff but also some new scenes.

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=1589&pk=18074

Sound and graphics are stunning, but the AI..meh. I hope they will work on that

I hope they don't. MP is the ****  ;)
Euhm Battlefield is all about singleplayer

You have a point there ;) But i reckon that if you want to do something, do it right!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-04-2011, 12:04:49
indeed true mopskind


btw also no commander for bf3
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hankypanky on 17-04-2011, 18:04:55
indeed true mopskind


btw also no commander for bf3

That is fine in because in BF2 most commanders sat in main and whored arty.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 17-04-2011, 22:04:08
Still got the impression that I could be very disappointed.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 17-04-2011, 22:04:46
12 Minutes gameplay- mostly known stuff but also some new scenes.

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=1589&pk=18074

Sound and graphics are stunning, but the AI..meh. I hope they will work on that
ever know a BF game to have good AI?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hankypanky on 18-04-2011, 07:04:02
12 Minutes gameplay- mostly known stuff but also some new scenes.

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=1589&pk=18074

Sound and graphics are stunning, but the AI..meh. I hope they will work on that
ever know a BF game to have good AI?


BF2 with mods is pretty good imo. Look at what single player PR/FH2 have done.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 18-04-2011, 08:04:16
ever know a BF game to have good AI?

I think they did a good job with BC and BC2, and I expect nothing less from BF3..

BF2 mods? that's not "real" SP.. it's just conquest MP with bots instead of humans.

Real SinglePlayer modes should have its own maps, story, voice commands, animations, cutscenes, events, game modes, HUD etc.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 18-04-2011, 17:04:23
O my that trailer looks good. Ima prob going to buy a new pc anyway round release period. Changed my mind, will prob buy ( ifive a new pc) as a nice little start up game. 8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-04-2011, 17:04:23
ever know a BF game to have good AI?

I think they did a good job with BC and BC2, and I expect nothing less from BF3..

BF2 mods? that's not "real" SP.. it's just conquest MP with bots instead of humans.

Real SinglePlayer modes should have its own maps, story, voice commands, animations, cutscenes, events, game modes, HUD etc.
i have to agree that there was a huge gigantic improvement in Bc and BC2
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 19-04-2011, 03:04:51
you guys have seen this?  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgn2PaLsiO8&feature=fvst
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 19-04-2011, 11:04:15
The short tank scene as a high-quality .gif:
(http://img01.imagecanon.com/_upload/img/29/tnk.gif)

Looks simply stunning!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 19-04-2011, 11:04:48
That is pure total awesomeness.

I'm slightly bought!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 19-04-2011, 12:04:45
I'll buy it....Fuck it my PC will be upgraded and i will buy it no matter what!!!!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 19-04-2011, 12:04:14
The short tank scene as a high-quality .gif:
<snip>

Looks simply stunning!
Holy crap. Now that is incoming.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 19-04-2011, 12:04:08
hope thats a MP map, looks huge !!


PD: also hope thats not the final tank HUD, looks awful xD
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 19-04-2011, 12:04:01
Well when  BF2 was released, it was one of the most requiring games of them all

Maybe BF3 will also be like that?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 19-04-2011, 13:04:16
I hoarded savings just for my new PC, so I'm prepared for THIS!!!!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 19-04-2011, 13:04:04
I woulld also like to see a high quality jet scene gif. if anyone knows how that could be done?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 19-04-2011, 20:04:22
I'll buy it....Fuck it my PC will be upgraded and i will buy it no matter what!!!!

That's it mate, this is they way to get the Greek economy out of the crisis.
The full trailer look yummie, now I want to be blown away with multiplayer footage.

I hope we get to see something before the E3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [ret]azreal on 19-04-2011, 21:04:26
DICE seemed pretty clear about no MP footage before E3. And I mean, I don't like that, but it makes sense marketing-wise. It's probably the one of the biggest video-game conferences coming up in the next few months. Lots of US viewers.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 19-04-2011, 22:04:06
My money says that the INCOMING! clip is VERY scripted event and that air strikes in MP won't look like that.

Also, based on the trailers, a lot of the game's visuals are achieved through clever use of filtering and lighting rather than complex geometries or detailed textures. Compared to Crysis (Warhead) tweaked beyond "very high", it does not look that much more advanced. Slightly more realistic, yes, because of pronounced blur and anisotropic filtering. But again, looking at the lifeless faces and at times awkward movements of the soldiers gives away the fact that this is still a game.

---

Though, if somebody manages to hack back the 256 player mode in it, I would happily play even vanilla BF3. :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Nerdsturm on 20-04-2011, 02:04:18
My money says that the INCOMING! clip is VERY scripted event and that air strikes in MP won't look like that.

Hey, I don't care, so long as there's multiplayer maps with that view distance.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 20-04-2011, 02:04:07
something tells me my 9800gtx2 1 gig may need some help playing this on max!   :D
"And by help I mean some OCing" ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 20-04-2011, 08:04:09
Also, based on the trailers, a lot of the game's visuals are achieved through clever use of filtering and lighting rather than complex geometries or detailed textures. Compared to Crysis (Warhead) tweaked beyond "very high", it does not look that much more advanced. Slightly more realistic, yes, because of pronounced blur and anisotropic filtering. But again, looking at the lifeless faces and at times awkward movements of the soldiers gives away the fact that this is still a game.

I cant comment on the "complexities" of the geometry as I have no idea how complex they are compared to crysis warhead, but I played both Crysis and WH and I think they, instead of using complex geometries, just used ultra high-res textures to achieve their result... question is; which is harder: create a light engine as frostbite 2 or just add a bunch of photographies to the game?  ;)

Results are reached by different methods in all games, I dont think it matters if you use ultra-big photographies as textures, ultra-high poly models or an ultra-strong light engine. What matters is if the players get immersed or not.

In BF3s case, it's quite logical to use perhaps less ultra high-poly models, as they can all be destroyed, and instead of ultra-big photos, use the awesome light engine. Since you know when frostbite destroys geometry, the new geometry needs to be lighted in real time.

So compared to Crysis:WH I think BF3 is lightyears away in pretty much all cases.. sure CryTek uses insane textures and the quality of each photo is also very good, but did you play Crysis in MP anytime? I sure didn't.... BF3 is made for both SP and MP, and with 64 guys running around wreaking havoc, it might not be valid to use 2048x2048 textures for a chair or flowerpot if you see what I mean... Especially if the chair and flowerpot can be destroyed.

Sure Crysis had "destruction" as well, but the fake kind, and let's be honest, did you believe the way the shantytown sheds and wooden walls collapsed in Crysis? I often lol'd out loud when the pieces of the shit I blew up tried to find its place to the ground...

I have installed, but not yet playd Crysis2 though, from what I heard their urban environment is mind-blowing, cant wait to check it.. I mean blow it out.  8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-04-2011, 09:04:34
well...EA learned alot from BF2 MP and from Bc and BC2 singleplayer.

Who knows, this might be the real "Battlefield" wich combines both

Personally i wouldnt mind if there is only a Multiplayer...but a single player would be nice
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 20-04-2011, 13:04:19
new trailer or remix of previous trailers:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Battlefield

and a nice pic of air combat:

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/207831_163909150332695_147737735283170_381244_3495767_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-04-2011, 13:04:33
cockpit of F-15E strikeeaglle btw
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 20-04-2011, 14:04:31
And more lensflare than ever since the first 3D accelerators became available and every game had to be full of them. ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 20-04-2011, 14:04:41
How many times are they going to cut and mix up again that 13:00m trailer lol.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 20-04-2011, 14:04:51
A small rant: I hate it how ever since destructible environment made its entrance to the games, th developers have to go overboard with it. It seems like they want every player to be able to destroy everything. Take these videos for example, something I would consider solid cover against small arms fire, gets destroyed so easily taht it seems every weapon is using the .50 cal ammo. Not to mention grenades entirely destroyng cover entirely. I know a thing or two about explosives and regular grenades should do practically no damage to cover. And dont get me started on that riddicullous AT-4 scene.

/End rant.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-04-2011, 14:04:51
Kradovech is right. A hand grenade does little damage to those things
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 20-04-2011, 14:04:46
im excited to play but i am not excited that it seems to be the end to battlefield modding.. time for FH to makes its own game dam it!.. lol ... any way.. the game looks great but idk how long it will keep me tied down.. BFBC2 only kept me for maybe a month then i lost interest.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 20-04-2011, 14:04:52
Just look at that cockpit.......Please god if you are true make all the vehicles be as awesome as they are portrayed in these two pictures and then i shall believe in you blindly.....
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 20-04-2011, 15:04:58
Oh Faaaaake cockpit!!!!

....wait, this shouldn't be a simulator.

Well at least make it like the real one.

(http://www.howitflies.com/files/photos/wikiexport/b/bc/F-15e_cockpit.jpg)

another photo (http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/McDonnell-Douglas-F-15E/0643339/M/)

To explain the stuff:
The left monitor usually shows navigation display or radar display or in this photo the FLIR view.
The right monitor usually shows the weapon system, the go/nogo system list, and sometimes TV feed from the weapon's on board cam.
The middle bottom monitor is the fixed ADI (Attitude and Direction Indicator) that artificial horizon instrument.

BTW, where is the RWR? Oh forgot about that... you don't have to make everything like a sim, but just do "real but fake" impressions. You know, like what they do with the tanks, an Abrams tank in-game but cannot do what the real Abrams can. So here you present real cockpit but without all its functionality, just to give you the impression of being in a real one.

The BF3 screenshot Zeno showed looks like a Russian stuff.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-04-2011, 15:04:23
Its a flanker alright. But wich one..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 20-04-2011, 15:04:05
Actually, it is more like Fulcrum-F (MiG-35)

(http://toad-design.com/migalley/wp-content/gallery/equipment/mig29sniper-cockpit.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 20-04-2011, 15:04:51
And dont get me started on that riddicullous AT-4 scene.
Obviously, DICE are big Sledge Hammer! fans and want to pay homage to the pilot episode. In it, Sledge drives by a police scene where an urban sniper is taking potshots from a derelict office block. Deciding to help his fellow officers, Sledge grabs a LAW from the trunk of his car and fires it at the building, collapsing it. Situation over. ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 20-04-2011, 16:04:15
There could be a mega big Ammo storage inside that Building ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: General_Henry on 20-04-2011, 19:04:04
If they'd ever make MP a more realistic game (more FH-like), with 128 players, I guess this would be played really good.

But still I don't have the intention to buy it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 20-04-2011, 19:04:32
FH more realistic than BF3, lol  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 20-04-2011, 19:04:11
PR more realistic than BF3, lol  ;D
Fixed
(http://api.ning.com/files/xXHg*Lq*7d4wXshreyqNo6x0l6*rgEHtCLdfHt9Ly76jYQ7-FjuoynDVKS8P*uCvnnd*bCdRhgLuVmcHQyIcCSQk9qJD-c6H/dancing_trollface.gif)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 20-04-2011, 19:04:55
FH more realistic than BF3, lol  ;D
Ban this troll already. Sometimes he really makes me puke. Or that's the easter chocolate.

Just ban him.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 20-04-2011, 20:04:07
http://www.thisisxbox.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=972:exclusive-battlefield-3-q-and-a&catid=35:news

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Lone players like you say enjoy the Single player campaign but can also, without caring about Teamplay or responsibility for others, just have a great time in multiplayer.


ohh DICE, you make me love you more everyday  ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Comrade Roe on 20-04-2011, 23:04:07
 >:( No mod tools for BF3... No mods... And my soon-to-be-favorite game with mods already being developed before the game is released, doesn't have pilotable aircraft. WHAT IS WRONG WITH GAMES TODAY?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 20-04-2011, 23:04:19
>:( No mod tools for BF3... No mods... And my soon-to-be-favorite game with mods already being developed before the game is released, doesn't have pilotable aircraft. WHAT IS WRONG WITH GAMES TODAY?

Ho, I see that you talk about RO2 here  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 21-04-2011, 12:04:33
>:( No mod tools for BF3... No mods... And my soon-to-be-favorite game with mods already being developed before the game is released, doesn't have pilotable aircraft. WHAT IS WRONG WITH GAMES TODAY?

They suck... Now go back to FH2!  8)


*disclaimer* The author of this post does not really think that new games suck, only that they lost their soul */disclaimer*
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 21-04-2011, 12:04:42
>:( No mod tools for BF3... No mods... And my soon-to-be-favorite game with mods already being developed before the game is released, doesn't have pilotable aircraft. WHAT IS WRONG WITH GAMES TODAY?

Well it shouldnt be big problem to code aircraft, ships etc., as far as i know.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 22-04-2011, 05:04:26
http://www.thisisxbox.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=972:exclusive-battlefield-3-q-and-a&catid=35:news

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Lone players like you say enjoy the Single player campaign but can also, without caring about Teamplay or responsibility for others, just have a great time in multiplayer.


ohh DICE, you make me love you more everyday  ::)
From the same article:

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15. Will a demo coming before the release?

Yes! :-)

The wait just got shorter... :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 22-04-2011, 07:04:19
Not to deflate your hopes, but that article is about the Xbox Version of BF3.
A demo for the PC has yet to be announced.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 22-04-2011, 13:04:14
This is why i always have an xbox, on standby
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 22-04-2011, 22:04:37
For those who are sure they want buy BF3. This easter weekend "Limited"edition for 22 Euros. It's a digital version.

Use the coupon code I4250 and go to EA store here http://www.ea.com/battlefield3 (http://www.ea.com/battlefield3)

Just bought it, price actually is 22,50 euro:

(http://i51.tinypic.com/5dngbr.jpg)

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 23-04-2011, 09:04:50
Very odd, here in the store that I can access they still charge 60€ for the limited edition DL.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 23-04-2011, 11:04:34
Very odd, here in the store that I can access they still charge 60€ for the limited edition DL.

Same here..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Seth_Soldier on 23-04-2011, 11:04:29
FH more realistic than BF3, lol  ;D
This doesn't make me laugh ...
You're the one who always dumb down FH gameplay to arcade rather than realism ...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 23-04-2011, 12:04:15
Very odd, here in the store that I can access they still charge 60€ for the limited edition DL.

Same here..

Did you use the coupon code? I know from peeps in the UK that they could use the coupon code without any issues.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 23-04-2011, 14:04:17
I'm in the Netherlands, all the page does when I enter the code is refresh.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 23-04-2011, 15:04:42
I'm in the Netherlands, all the page does when I enter the code is refresh.

Same here in Finland. Price is still 50 euros.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 23-04-2011, 17:04:45
Special discharges in the EA Store usually only apply to released games, so I guess it was some kind of mistake that BF3's preorder was on sale and I guess they fixed it already.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 23-04-2011, 22:04:59
I dunno were that rumor came from Sander, but I received an email from I3d about this offer.

edit: Just saw on their site that the offer was only valid for one day, a bit short imho :(

http://i3d.nl/news-article.php?news=565 (http://i3d.nl/news-article.php?news=565)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 23-04-2011, 23:04:39
That's it guys. Get the pitchforks.
(http://leblow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/angry-mob-simpsons.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 23-04-2011, 23:04:34
You had to put them on fire.. Now they lost their purpose.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 24-04-2011, 15:04:17
I always read into these too late. Darn
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 24-04-2011, 18:04:55
Ah well, bit of a stupid promo anyway, but congrats to those how got in there. Turns out im paying £35 for the LD.
Edit: turns out the place im buying it from were trying to charge me extra for fuck all. Reordered + some reward points = £20.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 18-05-2011, 06:05:29
 I just watched the 12 minute BF3 video "Fault Line" and im just totally amazed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zw8SmsovJc


 When i saw the dog i immediately though about FH3 with German Shepherds....


I can dream cant i..........

 :-*
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 18-05-2011, 08:05:22
A bit old video isn't it?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 18-05-2011, 08:05:59
A bit old video isn't it?
Its about a month old.

 :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-05-2011, 10:05:47
Regarding the old AT4 vs building discussion

It might be possible this is the HEDP 502 or AST(anti-structure Tandem warhead) AT4.
Quote
HEDP 502 (High Explosive Dual Purpose)[16]
For use against bunkers, buildings, enemy personnel in the open and light armor. The projectile can be set to detonate on impact or with a slight delayed detonation. The heavier nose cap allows the HEDP projectile to penetrate light walls or windows and then explode, or "skipped" off the ground for an air-burst. For use against light armor, there is a smaller cone HEAT warhead with 150 mm (5.9 inches) of penetration against RHA.

Or it might be DICE and there multi-killing warheads again like in the other battlefields  ;D

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 18-05-2011, 21:05:26
Regarding the old AT4 vs building discussion

It might be possible this is the HEDP 502 or AST(anti-structure Tandem warhead) AT4.
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HEDP 502 (High Explosive Dual Purpose)[16]
For use against bunkers, buildings, enemy personnel in the open and light armor. The projectile can be set to detonate on impact or with a slight delayed detonation. The heavier nose cap allows the HEDP projectile to penetrate light walls or windows and then explode, or "skipped" off the ground for an air-burst. For use against light armor, there is a smaller cone HEAT warhead with 150 mm (5.9 inches) of penetration against RHA.

Or it might be DICE and there multi-killing warheads again like in the other battlefields  ;D

HEDP grenades penetrate the bunker/building wall with kinetic energy and then explode inside,thats all. AT4's HEDP warhead doesn't produce this kind of effect. So its the ladder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3xsMqHu56g&t=2m14s
At 2:14 you can see AT4 cs ast, a slightly more powerful than HEDP. Still nothing more than a round penetrating the wall and exploding inside.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 19-05-2011, 09:05:18
Well that hotel ain't bunker but normal middle eastern building with lot's of windows. I you shoot a house like that with high explosive the windows will brake and it's highly possible that thin wall like they build over there blows up to pieces.

Also, just in case, you don't need to tell me how weapons work.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 19-05-2011, 18:05:43
I cant comment on if the AT4 blast wave is powerful enough to destroy window glasses  away from the blast area, as with all the blasting I have done, it was made certain there was no glass nearby that could be breaking.

On the wall, it looks like a carcass building to me. If this is true, the hole is at least 3-4 times too big. And if it was the HEDP round or CS AST, the hole should be much smaller, with a small initial entry hole, after which the wall of the room the round explodes in might get pushed out, leaving still a rather small hole.

Referring back to my video, you can see the round penetrating the wall after the sandbag bunker clip, and if you go back to 2:00, you can see the same round (same amount of explosives) in a different mode. That can give you an idea on the amount of explosives used in the round and on its destructive capabilities. (I failed to find the amount of explosives in these rounds on google)

I'm not trying to explain to you how weapons work, I just like to back up my claims, hence the video.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 19-05-2011, 18:05:46
A bomb exploded nearby the Athens courts.

(http://news247.gr/incoming/article737290.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/riakour2.jpg)

And all these windows were destroyed by an explosion ON THE GROUND...Imagine one near them were the power goes through them.So just the sound blast is enough for windows. I do not know for anything else though.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 19-05-2011, 18:05:24
AT4 round is not a bomb. Your average bomb has much more explosives, hence why its common for windows to get destroyed. Also, there was probably clear "line of sight" between the bomb and the windows.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 19-05-2011, 18:05:26
jeez... most likely a big weapon cache inside that blew up when the AT4 hit... stop discussing this stupid stuff now ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOV8sJJDE1A

imagine this but only inside an hotell :o
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 19-05-2011, 18:05:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDb0n9_Md0

Here...No need to Argue anymore :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 19-05-2011, 19:05:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDb0n9_Md0

Here...No need to Argue anymore :D
Well that only partly proves my point to be fair. Thats only one type of round, it can be argued that other rounds would do some more serious damage.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 19-05-2011, 22:05:13
Guys, scripted event that looks awesome for ignorent players. What's not to get?
Like you would be able to see the fallout/blast radios of a nuclear bomb... But it looked cool in MW1.

In BC2 the LATs could only destroy one wall or window section (and without doing too much damage to a person behind it). I doubt the devs have suddenly made LATs shoot nuclear rockets (in MP).

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 20-05-2011, 11:05:42
Speaking of unrealistic damage...

At about 4:30 in the full 'Faultline' vid, the player shoots at a hostile on a balcony, he shoots him through the balcony wall and leaves a hole around a meter in diameter... ???

Either that wall is made out of fibro, or that rifle packs one helluva punch.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 22-05-2011, 13:05:18
i cant believe people argue about this stuff. Its fun to have god powers. Want realism? Join the army.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-05-2011, 13:05:02
Realism and army sucks. ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 22-05-2011, 13:05:58
i cant believe people argue about this stuff. Its fun to have god powers. Want realism? Join the army.

I did join the army. You want God powers? Go play Battlefield Heroes.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 22-05-2011, 15:05:46
This isn't the point im making. Its great if you joined the army, really, im sure you did a wonderful job. But games are games, they arnt supposed to be like that.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 22-05-2011, 15:05:58
says who?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 22-05-2011, 15:05:08
says who?

The majority of the buyers who don't give horse crap about realism and just want a cool game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-05-2011, 15:05:15
says who?

The majority of the buyers who don't give horse crap about realism and just want a cool game.
^this

For me, i am still waiting for a game that has MP like FH2.

A combination of realism, accuracy and arcade
It just works out the best

There is simply a reason, why there are FEW well popular Realism games. And i mean actuall realism.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 22-05-2011, 17:05:15
Well as far as I'm concerned the discussion wasn't about bf3 anymore, I personally am just discussing the destructive capabilities of the AT-4. Some people claimed that this was how the round round would work in reality as well, I disagreed. I'd expect you to be used to this kind of arguements on a forum, where the tiger model having  the incorrect amount of wheels can be the source for 3 pages of discussion.

If you want to discuss the game? I dont have much to add here. You think its fun for any class to inflict the amount of damage of an artillery round and I can respect that, you'll probably enkoy this. I find this boring, as every battle plays out exactly the same - destroy the cover, kill the guy. I need more depth in my games, with the element of tactics needed as well as the elemnt of skill, so I'm gonna get RO2 instead of this. So thats that.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-05-2011, 17:05:17
Well as far as I'm concerned the discussion wasn't about bf3 anymore, I personally am just discussing the destructive capabilities of the AT-4. Some people claimed that this was how the round round would work in reality as well, I disagreed. I'd expect you to be used to this kind of arguements on a forum, where the tiger model having  the incorrect amount of wheels can be the source for 3 pages of discussion.


All i was saying, is that there are multiple rounds for the AT4. including a HE

But if it seems that this is the standard HEAT version, it is just a screwup off DICE
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 23-05-2011, 18:05:05
So, DICE continuing with the trend of addind DLC before showing the basic gameplay, has released this
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2rdbxv9.png)

if you pre order, you get an mg, fletcher ammo, supressor thingy, and unlock right away the DAO-12 =9
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 23-05-2011, 19:05:29
DAO-12 gives some sweet memories.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 23-05-2011, 19:05:41
i cant believe people argue about this stuff. Its fun to have god powers. Want realism? Join the army.
You clearly know nothing about the army... no offense.

Though I agree on gameplay > realism, I want authenticity though.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-05-2011, 19:05:05
So, DICE continuing with the trend of addind DLC before showing the basic gameplay, has released this
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2rdbxv9.png)

if you pre order, you get an mg, fletcher ammo, supressor thingy, and unlock right away the DAO-12 =9
This personally seems attractive. Do i preoder the game retail?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 23-05-2011, 19:05:04
I might consider pre-ordering, if I knew anything about the game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 23-05-2011, 19:05:27
This personally seems attractive. Do i preoder the game retail?

Attractive? Are you insane? More DLC, more exclusive content. And Demize stated that there wont be any damage modifiers because they disgust him, then why the hell do we need flechette rounds?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 23-05-2011, 20:05:33
I might consider pre-ordering, if I knew anything about the game.

This. Oh God this.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 23-05-2011, 20:05:44
It has pretty graphics and Fifa-style crawling. Not good enough for you?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 23-05-2011, 20:05:23
It has pretty graphics and Fifa-style crawling. Not good enough for you?

Oh lawds, take my money already!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 23-05-2011, 20:05:33
I clearly know nothing about the army, you should win an award for that perceptive knowledge, im 16. My point is simply that this thread is about a game not about how many bricks a certain AT4 round can knock out.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 23-05-2011, 20:05:01
I clearly know nothing about the army, you should win an award for that perceptive knowledge, im 16. My point is simply that this thread is about a game not about how many bricks a certain AT4 round can knock out.
Let it be then? Best way to keep a thread on its tracks is to.. stop posting off topic stuff. :E
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-05-2011, 20:05:48
This personally seems attractive. Do i preoder the game retail?

Attractive? Are you insane? More DLC, more exclusive content. And Demize stated that there wont be any damage modifiers because they disgust him, then why the hell do we need flechette rounds?
oh i thought it was a bonus if you preorderd

forgive me
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 23-05-2011, 20:05:47
Of course im very sorry Thor. Ah well the DLC looks nice, the idea of weapon modding seems incorporated there and ammo types, will be very awesome.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 23-05-2011, 20:05:16
oh i thought it was a bonus if you preorderd

forgive me

Its actually if you pre-order. But the thing is, that many people are disgusted that those who pre ordered will get a clear advantage over those who didnt. Like in MOH, ugh.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 23-05-2011, 21:05:41

Its actually if you pre-order. But the thing is, that many people are disgusted that those who pre ordered will get a clear advantage over those who didnt. Like in MOH, ugh.

Then... preorder it? Doesn't cost more and you can do it one day before the release. I don't see much to whine about.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 23-05-2011, 21:05:58
if the game is good, I preorder. so far, i dont know anything about the game .
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: samnadine on 24-05-2011, 00:05:15
I might consider pre-ordering, if I knew anything about the game.

Good point, but you should wonder how many people already preordered...

Anyways, these companies know that there is a 20% of the gamers who will bitch in forums (usually hardcore gamers), however they aim to the 80% that doesn't complain. At the end that 20% will buy the game anyways. Profit.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 24-05-2011, 01:05:22
Then... preorder it? Doesn't cost more and you can do it one day before the release. I don't see much to whine about.

Those won dont preorder the game will not get access to those items at all; you cant unlock them either. That's pretty much horseshit from DICE.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 24-05-2011, 03:05:36
Then... preorder it? Doesn't cost more and you can do it one day before the release. I don't see much to whine about.

Those won dont preorder the game will not get access to those items at all; you cant unlock them either. That's pretty much horseshit from DICE.

Protest then. Don't buy it at all.

Continue playing FH2 instead ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 24-05-2011, 15:05:36
It has pretty graphics and Fifa-style crawling. Not good enough for you?

Oh lawds, take my money already!

You can also see your own feet!!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 24-05-2011, 15:05:00
I'm not a feet person.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 27-05-2011, 12:05:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXaFw7aC9GE&feature=player_embedded#at=184

Just gonna leave this here
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 27-05-2011, 15:05:46
Most interesting part about the clip is how that girl manages to look interested in what the Dev have to say.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 27-05-2011, 15:05:52
Most interesting part about the clip is how that girl manages to look interested in what the Dev have to say.
Maybe someone finally realised, that it would be good thing to have an interviewer who is actually interested in the subject. :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 27-05-2011, 16:05:28
When do we get a preview of her?

I'd pre-order dat ass.

I sense an expansion coming... and it's in my pants!

Those lips weren't made for interviewing.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Moose on 27-05-2011, 17:05:22
I'd let her Spawn on me.

I'd let her be the leader of my Squad

I'd let her defibulate me back to life

I'd let her ride my hind

I'd let her suck my cock.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-05-2011, 18:05:05
I'd let her Spawn on me.

I'd let her be the leader of my Squad

I'd let her defibulate me back to life

I'd let her ride my hind

I'd let her suck my cock.
Like a boss
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 28-05-2011, 01:05:45
Ok, now ill have to watch it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: AlexS66 on 28-05-2011, 13:05:05
Now this game looks fluid and brilliant. MW3 doesnt have a chance
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 29-05-2011, 09:05:46
(http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/25930/1306503929011.gif)

(http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/25930/1306503712106.gif)

(http://www.abload.de/img/bf3-2c8pk.gif)

Just for fun :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 29-05-2011, 10:05:32
I would be far more impressed if...

1) That was from the cockpit of a Typhoon, overlooking the carnage at Falaise Pocket

2) That was a DAK soldier charging british lines

3) Katuysha battery firing their rockets by the outskirts of Stalingrad
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 29-05-2011, 14:05:40
Give it another 4 years, it might be :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 29-05-2011, 23:05:07
(http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/25930/1306503929011.gif)


Seems to me like the scale of smoke is finally correctly displayed.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 30-05-2011, 00:05:47
(http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/25930/1306503712106.gif)
Selective fire?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Stefan on 30-05-2011, 00:05:45
when is forgotten hope 3 being released???????
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zrix on 30-05-2011, 01:05:45
Selective fire?
Was confirmed in some dev video.

Edit;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylU8M5KwI3o&t=4m20s

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 30-05-2011, 01:05:12
when is forgotten hope 3 being released???????
When it's done :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 30-05-2011, 01:05:14
Selective fire?
Was confirmed in some dev video.

Edit;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylU8M5KwI3o&t=4m20s



there will also be different ammo types^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 30-05-2011, 01:05:41
Damage and Accuracy.
Accuracy - should be able to get 50% hit ratio out to 125m.
Damage - 3 shot M16, 2 shot AK47. Naturally exceptions if they're using a more complex damage system.
Only game that got this good so far: Battlefield Vietnam.

But Battlefield 2 damage system, just meh.
M16 requires 4 body shots vs regular people, 5 shots vs ppl with body armour.
The AK101, which uses the same caliber, only needs 3 vs regular ppl!

Hopefully their "military advisors" have advised them on what bullets do to the human body.
And hopefully they haven't been testing weapon accuracy with those airsofts in the background there. As is so obvious with Battlefield 2.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 30-05-2011, 08:05:51
And hopefully they haven't been testing weapon accuracy with those airsofts in the background there. As is so obvious with Battlefield 2.

no, they did not test accuracy with airSoft guns for BF2. lol  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 30-05-2011, 15:05:35
After playing BF2 i was certain they did! but if you say so.
If BF3 doesn't have random deviation when aiming through sights (or VERY little) I'm definitely going to buy it!
If it does then i wouldn't be so sure that i do
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Stefan on 30-05-2011, 18:05:05
After playing BF2 i was certain they did! but if you say so.
If BF3 doesn't have random deviation when aiming through sights (or VERY little) I'm definitely going to buy it!
If it does then i wouldn't be so sure that i do

i thought i was the only one thinking it was weird that bullets came out at a 30 degree angle and did less damage than an airsoft rifle as you say.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: General Tso on 01-06-2011, 19:06:44
Demize99 was a BF modder, right?  POE? Desert Combat? 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 03-06-2011, 19:06:09
http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/06/03/bf3-goes-to-e3.aspx

Good news  ;D

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 03-06-2011, 19:06:06
Quote
Battlelog will be available for the monthly fee of (drum roll)... zero dollars. We look forward to providing more information on these features in the near future!

I loled !
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-06-2011, 19:06:44

But Battlefield 2 damage system, just meh.
M16 requires 4 body shots vs regular people, 5 shots vs ppl with body armour.
The AK101, which uses the same caliber, only needs 3 vs regular ppl!

Keep in mind, that there is a huge diffrence between the 5.45x39mm and the 5.56x45 NATO round

The 5.45x39 had a slightly shorter range, but damage wise, it is far deadlier then the 5.56
There is a tiny hole at the tip of the bullet, once the round hits a target, the bullet tilts vertically and has an unusual, but damaging pattern of causing flesh trauma. that way, causing a much huger wound then with a 5.56mm nato round

NATO doesnt use such a round, because it is forbidden.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 03-06-2011, 19:06:32
Hollow points. Gotta hate them.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-06-2011, 19:06:11
Hollow points. Gotta hate them.
A sort of yes, but the principle is the same
The bullet however, keeps the penetrating capacity of a .223 remington
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 05-06-2011, 05:06:29
Quote
...The multiplayer map, “Operation Métro,” available for press to play on the show floor...

 - http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/06/03/bf3-goes-to-e3.aspx


I guess that means we'll be flogging the crap out of 'Op. Metro' very soon... ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 05-06-2011, 08:06:40
That means that after the obvious french surrender, the USMC came and saved the day. Wonder against who we'll fight.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: mallow234 on 05-06-2011, 08:06:35
That means that after the obvious french surrender, the USMC came and saved the day. Wonder against who we'll fight.

Probably either Russians or some sort of Communist/Dictatorial State.
Probably these PLR Chaps we've been hearing about.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 06-06-2011, 18:06:22
E3 streaming live today, stay tuned.

6 JUN 2011, Monday, 12:30PM PDT, Electronic Arts Game Changers

7 JUN 2011, Tuesday, 8:30AM PDT, GameTrailers multiplayer mode with Patrick Bach.

7 JUN 2011, Tuesday, 1:30PM PDT, IGN Coverage of Battlefield 3

7 JUN 2011 Live Booth Video Feed

Here's a link where you can watch the E3 event live, enjoy! I'll post the info as soon as I can when the trailer and new pics goes online!

http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/e3-live.html
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 06-06-2011, 18:06:04
(http://www.freewebs.com/jtbman/stormtrooper.gif)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 06-06-2011, 19:06:58
New leaked video, perhaps for the presentation opening.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/6512279/battlefield_3_new_video/
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Moose on 06-06-2011, 19:06:01
E3 streaming live today, stay tuned.

6 JUN 2011, Monday, 12:30PM PDT, Electronic Arts Game Changers

7 JUN 2011, Tuesday, 8:30AM PDT, GameTrailers multiplayer mode with Patrick Bach.

7 JUN 2011, Tuesday, 1:30PM PDT, IGN Coverage of Battlefield 3

7 JUN 2011 Live Booth Video Feed

Here's a link where you can watch the E3 event live, enjoy! I'll post the info as soon as I can when the trailer and new pics goes online!

http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/e3-live.html


My dad is working at E3 right now
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 06-06-2011, 20:06:12
well it looks nice(confused this thread with i went on sie internets)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 06-06-2011, 21:06:56
New leaked video, perhaps for the presentation opening.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/6512279/battlefield_3_new_video/

Jeez what's with the unrealistic destruction...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 06-06-2011, 21:06:45
New leaked video, perhaps for the presentation opening.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/6512279/battlefield_3_new_video/

Jeez what's with the unrealistic destruction...
Much better than other games, or games that have none...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 06-06-2011, 22:06:43
http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/e3-live.html

EA E3 ... NFS:run and some other games like Starwars and a snowboarding have been introduced...Hurry up for BF3 :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 06-06-2011, 22:06:47
http://video-cdn.ea.com/bc/46412909001/46412909001_976407488001_origin-bf3-e3operationmetro-esrb-web.mp4?pub-id=46412909001&cb=1307376164 (http://video-cdn.ea.com/bc/46412909001/46412909001_976407488001_origin-bf3-e3operationmetro-esrb-web.mp4?pub-id=46412909001&cb=1307376164) <- Multiplayer.

That E3 thing fucking sucks only shit stuff and no BF3, damn assholes, and I have work tomorrow.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 06-06-2011, 22:06:09
I love you.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 06-06-2011, 22:06:16
Just saw the gameplay demos and multiplayer trailer live. I think BF3 might just be a buy.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 06-06-2011, 22:06:52
Just saw the gameplay demos and multiplayer trailer live. I think BF3 might just be a buy.
Agreed. October 25th folks, mark it in your diary.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 06-06-2011, 22:06:38
http://video-cdn.ea.com/bc/46412909001/46412909001_976407488001_origin-bf3-e3operationmetro-esrb-web.mp4?pub-id=46412909001&cb=1307376164 (http://video-cdn.ea.com/bc/46412909001/46412909001_976407488001_origin-bf3-e3operationmetro-esrb-web.mp4?pub-id=46412909001&cb=1307376164) <- Multiplayer.

That E3 thing fucking sucks only shit stuff and no BF3, damn assholes, and I have work tomorrow.

Again, too much HUD elements, scrap the immersion.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 06-06-2011, 22:06:24
Will probably have hardcore mode that removes the HUD, among other things.

Tank video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngwKcPZQpUc
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 07-06-2011, 07:06:11
Watched far more of E3 then I am proud to admit.   :-[

BF3 looked great...That little multiplayer video they showed made the game look like asshole though.  I still have faith in you BF3!  Beyond BF3 being a must buy I like what was shown of Far Cry 3, Resistence 3, Uncharted 3 and Bio Shock umm....yeah 3.  Not really into the whole Mass Effect franchise but it does have a "3" in it as well so I will give it a hard look.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: KoOk13 on 07-06-2011, 15:06:26
I'm quite excited about BF3. been a long time player of that franchise, way back starting with BF1942. The physics and graphics look stunning.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: bjack on 08-06-2011, 02:06:51
According to Planet Battlefield, there are bipod-equipped machineguns that can deploy on any surface.   Also there is a suppression system that reduces a target's effectiveness.  Very interesting!

Also, the assault class is the medic, and the support class is the MG/ammo guy.  So it is similiar to the Bf2142 4 class system in that regard.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 08-06-2011, 03:06:50
i just read they have 4 man squads, heal regen and tank regen. also, no mention on comand rose and SL spawning is not confirmed, some E3 employee said the spawning system is like the BC2 one, but the screen shown when someone died you could only see 2 spawn points.

also, invisible walls in a battlefield game?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRevhUTLp44#t=50s

so far, not liking what im seen ><
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 08-06-2011, 03:06:20
Wow.

And the way you die, like BC series. BF2 way to die was just perfect.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 08-06-2011, 04:06:27
Thats probably the one pang of disappointment ive felt so far. The HUD and some of the mechanics look very similar to BC2   :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Lupin on 08-06-2011, 05:06:00
heal regen and tank regen.

Seriously? I'm getting sick and tired of these games putting training wheels on for the casual gamers.

When I get shot I want to worry about it. Not just hide behind a corner for 2 seconds and autoheal to 100%.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 08-06-2011, 05:06:25
  Prey for hardcore!  Anytime I join my PSN buddies in a game of BFBC2 and find them playing kiddie mode I usually tell them off and send them a nasty PM.   ;D  WASTEING MY FUCKING TIME AGAIN BITCH!?!!?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Lupin on 08-06-2011, 05:06:17
I'm also getting tired of each new battlefield game having less content than its predecessor.

Battlefield 10 will probably take place in a 1 x 1 fightcube with only one class, the ubernator, that does everything, has 999 health, and heals 25% of it per second.

Oh, and it takes place in afiraqiranistania. Phun.

Sorry, I'm extra-belligerent today.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 08-06-2011, 05:06:27
I totally understand your point, regen is F*CKIING BAD! Wtf, in BC2 you had to get heal no? What were heal packs for? BF2 sequel my a**

And tank regen? wow.

Hello Red Orchestra 2
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Moose on 08-06-2011, 07:06:25
  Prey for hardcore!  Anytime I join my PSN buddies in a game of BFBC2 and find them playing kiddie mode I usually tell them off and send them a nasty PM.   ;D  WASTEING MY FUCKING TIME AGAIN BITCH!?!!?

haha you dick, I like kiddie mode, I do better and don't get as frustrated!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 08-06-2011, 08:06:36
Wow.

And the way you die, like BC series. BF2 way to die was just perfect.

yeah flying around like a fucking punched radgroll WOOHOO!!
If you have said the way of BF1942 then it would be fine by me too.

As for health and tank regeneration...Well the tank regeneration is bad, i was waiting eagerly for something like having to RTB to get repairs...Health regeneration , that is actually what i like.Because medics are not used right...But still for tournament/organized play this feature is a co-operation killed.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 08-06-2011, 09:06:17
Health regeneration!? And for tanks as well!?  ::)

I guess the fact that you can still heal teammates and repair vehicles means it must regenerate quite slowly (or healing/repairing is really fast), otherwise what's the bloody point?... :-\


Personally I don't like the sound of it, but you won't catch me judging a book by it's cover, and even if it turns out to be a bad thing, what's one con in the face of a tidal wave of pro's?... :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: KoOk13 on 08-06-2011, 09:06:23
one word.. beta
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 08-06-2011, 10:06:37
one word.. beta
Isn´t it even a pre-Alpha?
Anyway, sofar it looks indeed more like BC2. I really hope they´ll improve more stuff and "get back to the roots" (=BF1942 style). I´m not too happy wih that "Modern Warfare" scenario and if they´ll turn this game into another random "WW3" shooter I won´t buy it...atleast RO2 will be released, soon.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 08-06-2011, 11:06:45
Too much of a BC2 influence. With 64 players on PC a 4 player squad is way too small. Don't get me started on the MP footage. Tunnelcombat right...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: S1lv3rWolf on 08-06-2011, 11:06:32
I quite honestly don't believe the E3 demo did any justice, it only looks like BC2 because they chose a small closequarters map for showcasing, and there's probably a max of 24 people playing it (i am of course talking about the streams that showed people playing it).
It just looks like Battle of Brest(16) played with 32p.

I'm not sure where they got the idea for tank regen, but the health regen system they had in BC2 worked well enough for medics to feel like they're actually doing something, said regen is actually quite slow and the medipacks accelerate the rate, nothing more. (http://denkirson.xanga.com/722757523/bad-company-2/)

As for the spawn points, I think only the SL will be spawnable, after all, SLs will all have little stars, and by their own words "cut off the head and the rest falls apart".

I'm not entirely sure about the animated knifing, I think it is better than the COOOOMMAAANDOOO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9sPJrwjI5A) I sometimes have with BC2 and CoD, maybe if I had a PS3 and Killzone 3 I could at least make a comparison or the such, replacing the knife entirely with an animation makes it feel like it has more use in a panicked or stealthy environment.

I like the BF2142 class layouts, at least you can't complain about medics using LMGs anymore, I don't see anything wrong with squad members (more squad leaders, more spawns, more action, the better right? Right?), and the absence of the commander is, at least to me, not good nor bad, it WAS a Battlefield 2 element, but look at the rules behind that element placed by the community, commander can be fun, but at the end of the day I would want to be where the action is and not staring at a map for the entire round.

in the end, as cannonfodder said, can't really judge a book by its cover, we'll do that on the September Open Beta. ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 08-06-2011, 12:06:43
I'm not entirely sure about the animated knifing, I think it is better than the COOOOMMAAANDOOO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9sPJrwjI5A) I sometimes have with BC2 and CoD, maybe if I had a PS3 and Killzone 3 I could at least make a comparison or the such, replacing the knife entirely with an animation makes it feel like it has more use in a panicked or stealthy environment.

What I like more about is that it takes a lot of time, so you will have to use it with care instead of the banzai stuff in BC2 because (so I hope) you'll be able to get shot when you're having a knife fight.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Galslacht on 08-06-2011, 13:06:38
Too much of a BC2 influence. With 64 players on PC a 4 player squad is way too small. Don't get me started on the MP footage. Tunnelcombat right...
Exactly.
Imo, BC1 and 2 were both respectable in their own genre, but they were no near the BF-feeling.

Not to mention the faults and imbalances in gameplay that DICE created in BC2 and BF1943 (DICE made a half-product with 1943, cancelling it for PC). Did I mention the huge list of bugs and glitches in the BC2 gold version? + the huge list of bugs and glitches that were introduced with the patches?

DICE is doing a bad job at game-making. Sure, they can build engines, but gamemaking is more than that. DICE last good game was BF2. After that, it went all downhill looking through Battlefield-eyes.

I dont think BF3 will be good, as in worth the money.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 08-06-2011, 14:06:57
From Planet Battlefield

Quote
Before we were allowed to play Battlefield 3, DICE's Lars Gustafsson, BF3 Lead Multiplayer Designer briefed a small group of us about the game. We'll have our impressions of the game later!

- Tank footage show at EA press conference is possibly the first mission in the game
- New suppression system -
- Operation Metro - rush gamemode, close combat, play as U.S. Marines, take on Russian forces in heart of Paris, infantry focus
- Operation Metro objective is to take back Stock Exchange
- Team Deatchmatch, Conquest, Rush gamemodes confirmed
- Battle Log - hub for social Battlefield experience
- 4 classes tuned for teamplay - Assault (medic abilities), Engineer (anti-vehicle, repair), Support (give ammo, suppressive fire), Recon (main focus supplying intel)
- Heavily focused on unlocks, more than any Battlefield game, customization key
- Engineer has flashlight under-slung on weapon for lighting up area, blinding enemy
- Every weapon has 3 customization slots (barrels, etc)
- Support solider has bi-pod - placed on any surface in game (more accuracy)
- New feature called Suppression - all the bullets you fire at an enemy affect them regardless if you hit them or not. All the bullets you fire that get close enough will start to reduce their combat efficiency. Squad can then flank the enemy and you will receive a Suppression score.
- Jets, boats, tanks, helicopters confirmed
- LAV-25 Light Armored Vehicle confirmed, also in Operation Metro
- Dog tags - fully customizable, dynamically updated, only obtainable from knife kills in the back
- Knifing system more dramatic, spectacular

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- On the death screen it now displays statistics of how many times you have killed the person who killed you and how man times they killed you (e.g. 2-1)
- When deployed it displays on the bottom of the screen a countdown of when a squad member can spawn on you, and when they spawn who it is
- Most of the rifles that we played with had 3 fire mode : automatic, semi-automatic, and single shot
- After you are killed the health of the person who killed you is shown as a heath bar over their head
- When your in a vehicle and stopped the camera begins to shake from the rattling of the engine
- Flashlight can blind you momentary if someone points it directly at you
- 100 points for killing someone, 10 extra points for a headshot, 100 points for reviving
- In order to revive you must hover over the dead body and hold down left mouse button while your character rubs the paddles together and charges them before the player is revived
- 2 grenades were given by default
- In order to knife in this build of the game you need to press “f” to do “quick knife”. When pressed you enter into an animation that will pull you close to your enemy and you will grab their head and execute them by slitting their throat
- You can only obtain an enemy’s dog tag if the “quick knife” command is done when you are behind your enemy
- The knife seems more like a switchblade than the classic knife we are used to
- Commo rose is not in the build we played. EA wouldn't give us a firm yes or not when asked if it would be in the final version of the game

Overall the game was very smooth for something that is pre-alpha. We never notices any framerate loss while we were playing. The game has a Battlefield: Bad Company 2 feel, but it's a lot more than that. If you try to jump over something you don't just simply jump, you see an animation of your solider leaping over. It's Bad Company 2 on crack with mind-blowing graphics, more intense gameplay, amazing weapon customization, superb animations, and most important of all it's the most fun we have had playing a Battlefield game.

What were you all saying?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 08-06-2011, 15:06:31
That the 3-hour livestream can be fitted in 3 minute speech.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-06-2011, 17:06:54


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- 4 classes tuned for teamplay - Assault (medic abilities), Engineer (anti-vehicle, repair), Support (give ammo, suppressive fire), Recon (main focus supplying intel)
Kinda liked this from BF2142
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- Heavily focused on unlocks, more than any Battlefield game, customization key
Large amount of content in a EA game? is NOT possible!
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- Every weapon has 3 customization slots (barrels, etc)
Now this would be very awesome. You know, allowing you to use Longer and shorter barrels
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- Support solider has bi-pod - placed on any surface in game (more accuracy)
+1
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- New feature called Suppression - all the bullets you fire at an enemy affect them regardless if you hit them or not. All the bullets you fire that get close enough will start to reduce their combat efficiency.
SO thats where FH2 supression system went to!


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- When your in a vehicle and stopped the camera begins to shake from the rattling of the engine
Very nice

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- 2 grenades were given by default
Well...It issent 4 grenades from BF2
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In order to knife in this build of the game you need to press “f” to do “quick knife”. When pressed you enter into an animation that will pull you close to your enemy and you will grab their head and execute them by slitting their throat
Nice no more knife running bastards like on MW2 with perks and such

Quote

What were you all saying?
that in soviet russia, you rip off EA!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 08-06-2011, 17:06:44
Wow.

And the way you die, like BC series. BF2 way to die was just perfect.

yeah flying around like a fucking punched radgroll WOOHOO!!
If you have said the way of BF1942 then it would be fine by me too.

As for health and tank regeneration...Well the tank regeneration is bad, i was waiting eagerly for something like having to RTB to get repairs...Health regeneration , that is actually what i like.Because medics are not used right...But still for tournament/organized play this feature is a co-operation killed.
Having a ragdoll death and looking at the sky is way better then a death where you see your hand falling on the ground in a no-ragdoll animation. This death has no momentum, you just stop and die.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 08-06-2011, 17:06:08
Exactly like you would if you were shot by a guy. Not flying backwards 1000 miles,Not doing an awesome-death-on-my-knees-begging-for-forgiveness-by-the-one-true-God cinematic style or a i-am-an-angel style of death.You die a dogs death, alone, with your hand being raised for help.......But it won't come...




Unless there's a medic  :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 08-06-2011, 17:06:44
Look at 0:37, it's even worse when you die on surfaces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4t1QyLc2yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4t1QyLc2yk)

Now compare to BF2 way to die, 1:37 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FecLFziLTI4&feature=related
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 08-06-2011, 17:06:49
Thats BC2 :\ I guess they will have something for it in BF3
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 08-06-2011, 18:06:30
Wow.

And the way you die, like BC series. BF2 way to die was just perfect.
Quoting myself, I said BC series, and if you look in the BF3 video, when he dies it looks exactly like BC way to die :/

In that video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRevhUTLp44#t=50s

Look at 2:31
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 08-06-2011, 18:06:38
And what exactly is wrong with that?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 08-06-2011, 18:06:04
wow that really makes me mad.

I love playing as a engineer or medic! ;D I think its fun just to runaround the battlefield just to repair a tank and to heal one of my team mates. I may only get 1 or 2 kills :P but hay I think its fun knowing that im helping do my part to help my team win

if any of you can remember me from 128 "my name was king_Ajs or something with Ajs in it" that's all i did was run and help repair tanks! 8) hell i even got number one on 2 or 3 maps with no kills ;D just by repair my team mates tanks.

 some people my think its not fun but I like it we the are different class so everone has to do there part ;D 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: S1lv3rWolf on 08-06-2011, 18:06:38
Wow.

And the way you die, like BC series. BF2 way to die was just perfect.
Quoting myself, I said BC series, and if you look in the BF3 video, when he dies it looks exactly like BC way to die :/

In that video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRevhUTLp44#t=50s

Look at 2:31


Unlike BC2's "camera only", you actually have your arm out and visible, dropping to the ground.

so yeah, what exactly is wrong with that?

Also: http://youtu.be/3edP79plgsA
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 08-06-2011, 20:06:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLHYLIl-q6s&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLHYLIl-q6s&feature=player_embedded) <-- nice MP footage though the image quality sucks.

http://www.gamereactor.eu/previews/7607/Battlefield+3 (http://www.gamereactor.eu/previews/7607/Battlefield+3) <-- Nice read, I like that rocket can kill the driver and immobilize the vehicle but the passengers can survive. The regenerating vehicle health sounds odd though it might be for the good, you know tank can die faster if ambushed but can't be killed too easily with bazooka sniping.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-06-2011, 22:06:16
Thats probaly the reason Paavo.


IRL you can "Bazooka snipe" but the weapons operate much and much more difficult
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 08-06-2011, 22:06:19
And what exactly is wrong with that?

Ok exemple how it's bad :

You are sprinting, you get kill. No momentum, you just stop and die.

It's unreal.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Galslacht on 08-06-2011, 22:06:51



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- New feature called Suppression - all the bullets you fire at an enemy affect them regardless if you hit them or not. All the bullets you fire that get close enough will start to reduce their combat efficiency.
SO thats where FH2 supression system went to!



No man, EA just copied the surpression system from Darkest Hour, and now EA is like *look what we have invented*.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 09-06-2011, 00:06:12



Quote
- New feature called Suppression - all the bullets you fire at an enemy affect them regardless if you hit them or not. All the bullets you fire that get close enough will start to reduce their combat efficiency.
SO thats where FH2 supression system went to!



No man, EA just copied the surpression system from Darkest Hour, and now EA is like *look what we have invented*.

FH had it before DH.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 09-06-2011, 00:06:44
  I don't think either mod had what EA is talking about...Sounds like your deviation actually increases when you get suppressed.  Shame we can't do that with FH.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 09-06-2011, 09:06:14
...DICE is doing a bad job at game-making. Sure, they can build engines, but gamemaking is more than that. DICE last good game was BF2. After that, it went all downhill looking through Battlefield-eyes...
You left out BF2142. Just because the futuristic setting wasn't popular doesn't mean it wasn't a good game, in certain respects it was better than BF2... ;)


For the last 5 years, DICE haven't been making bad games, they've just been putting their flagship (BF) first. It's the reason why they pulled the pin on BF1943, finishing it would've delayed BF3.

Aside from 2142, I think it's safe to say all these "offshoots" (BC, etc.) are really nothing more than gap-fillers between BF2 and BF3, serving the dual purpose of keeping the Battlefield brand on the shelf (to keep Activision honest) and serving as a test bed for the Frostbite engine.

Keep in mind that they've been working on the FB engine for years, and as it's one of the first true next-gen engines (optimized for 64-bit, full DX11 support, etc.), I think they can be forgiven for releasing a few, as we BF purists might call them, duds... :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 09-06-2011, 10:06:51
  I don't think either mod had what EA is talking about...Sounds like your deviation actually increases when you get suppressed.  Shame we can't do that with FH.

And you get rewarded (points) for suppressing the enemy. Hopefully this will encourage teamplay a bit.

If this stays in you can bet there will be heated discussions on the amount of suppression in BF3. In the same way we had the discussions on these forums which cause the suppressing effect to be toned down.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: von.small on 09-06-2011, 11:06:27
Sorry if this is a repost

E3 trailer of Thunder Run level - photorealism, fooooook

http://youtu.be/9UwOrl036_A
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Galslacht on 09-06-2011, 11:06:54
...DICE is doing a bad job at game-making. Sure, they can build engines, but gamemaking is more than that. DICE last good game was BF2. After that, it went all downhill looking through Battlefield-eyes...
You left out BF2142. Just because the futuristic setting wasn't popular doesn't mean it wasn't a good game, in certain respects it was better than BF2... ;)


For the last 5 years, DICE haven't been making bad games, they've just been putting their flagship (BF) first. It's the reason why they pulled the pin on BF1943, finishing it would've delayed BF3.

Aside from 2142, I think it's safe to say all these "offshoots" (BC, etc.) are really nothing more than gap-fillers between BF2 and BF3, serving the dual purpose of keeping the Battlefield brand on the shelf (to keep Activision honest) and serving as a test bed for the Frostbite engine.

Keep in mind that they've been working on the FB engine for years, and as it's one of the first true next-gen engines (optimized for 64-bit, full DX11 support, etc.), I think they can be forgiven for releasing a few, as we BF purists might call them, duds... :)
Well, I'd give DICE the benefit of the doubt with BF3. I'm curious how the release will unfold. How the reactions will be to the game in the first few months after release. DICE has been notorious about the large amount of bugs, unbalances and glitches in it's products so I will see where BF3 will go to.

BF2 had some gamehalting issues after all after the release, and patches didnt solve it but augmentated the problems :D
It took literally years to get a good working at least reasonable balanced product. I noticed the same thing happening with BC2, but DICE seem to have abandoned BC2 with the patchmaking, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 09-06-2011, 13:06:16
And what exactly is wrong with that?

Ok exemple how it's bad :

You are sprinting, you get kill. No momentum, you just stop and die.

It's unreal.



You're saying BF2 dying is realistic? lol.

Thats probaly the reason Paavo.


IRL you can "Bazooka snipe" but the weapons operate much and much more difficult
Yeah I know that, I know how stuff works I am RDF soilder you know. :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 09-06-2011, 13:06:40
Yes BF2 dying is realistic.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 09-06-2011, 13:06:03
Yes BF2 dying is realistic.

Flying 20 meters backwards at 100 km/h after M95 headshot, flying 300 meters up in the air by arty shot, hanging on the stairs from your finger tip and shake on the ground like mad man on ruff ground. Realistic, BF2 death animations sucked and have always sucked, one of the things that was never really fixed.

Those deaths are not realistic.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 09-06-2011, 15:06:51
E3 trailer of Thunder Run level - photorealism, fooooook
Human faces are still the tricky part ;) What really impressed me though was the BRAAAAP BRAAAP of GAU-8/A 8)

Having grown up on M1 Tank Platoon, though, the sudden scripted appearance of enemies at point-blank range makes me...

...realize that this is not a simulator but another "ghost train" shooter (as far as single player is concerned). :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-06-2011, 16:06:52



Quote
- New feature called Suppression - all the bullets you fire at an enemy affect them regardless if you hit them or not. All the bullets you fire that get close enough will start to reduce their combat efficiency.
SO thats where FH2 supression system went to!



No man, EA just copied the surpression system from Darkest Hour, and now EA is like *look what we have invented*.

FH had it before DH.
This ^

Now to see what weapons will be implented. If it is AK FOR EVERYONE, RPK, RPG -18 and such, PK ill buy it

I dont give a ratshit about US weapons

minus the Minimi and MAG the US adopted."OH HEY LETS ADOPT A BELGIAN WEAPON BECAUSE WE CANT MAKE A SINGLE PROPER MACHINE GUN, CHANGE 2 THINGS AND CALL IT 100% AMERICAN!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 09-06-2011, 16:06:39
M60 is a great example that they can't make own LMG:s.

Tbh. I don't care if americans can spawn with AKs and such in MP. I just want them to do more damage than in BF2 or BC2.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 09-06-2011, 17:06:35
This ^

Now to see what weapons will be implented. If it is AK FOR EVERYONE, RPK, RPG -18 and such, PK ill buy it


And RO had it before FH.


I´d really love to see appropriate weapons for each faction. US Guns for the USA and Russian weapons for the Russians. Inappropriate weapons are really annoying and a thing I didn´t like in BFBC2 and BFBC2V. Nothing destroys immersion as seeing US GIs running through a jungle with a wild hotchpotch of Americans/Eastern Bloc weapons. :/
I also hope they give the Russians modern stuff. Unlike COD that uses AK47s with crazy attachments, even though they´re replaced by more modern guns, for years.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-06-2011, 17:06:46
This ^

Now to see what weapons will be implented. If it is AK FOR EVERYONE, RPK, RPG -18 and such, PK ill buy it


And RO had it before FH.


I´d really love to see appropriate weapons for each faction. US Guns for the USA and Russian weapons for the Russians. Inappropriate weapons are really annoying and a thing I didn´t like in BFBC2 and BFBC2V. Nothing destroys immersion as seeing US GIs running through a jungle with a wild hotchpotch of Americans/Eastern Bloc weapons. :/
I also hope they give the Russians modern stuff. Unlike COD that uses AK47s with crazy attachments, even though they´re replaced by more modern guns, for years.
DU bist dare to Defy forgotten hope! Verrader! schweinhund!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah. If its AK 74's and AK 103's. And some AK-200's(since its 2014) and such, sure i am intrested.

But no AK47's and AKM"s. AKM's are only used by a few reserve troops at the moment
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 09-06-2011, 17:06:00
GAU-8 needs more humming noise than mechanical BRAAAP.

Michael Bay failed in Transformers, and I am happy a game designer decided to be more realistic than Hollywood smartasses.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 09-06-2011, 17:06:41
Yeah. If its AK 74's and AK 103's. And some AK-200's(since its 2014) and such, sure i am intrested.

But no AK47's and AKM"s. AKM's are only used by a few reserve troops at the moment

Well, BF2 already had AK-101 for MEC so I bet they will use that. Or AN-94s/AEK-971s like in BC2.

What I hate most in these modern games (COD and BC2) is that russian army uses so many different weapons... in MW2 they have weapons like TAR-21 and F2000 and even some M16s. Why is it so hard to make just AK74... or AK200.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 09-06-2011, 17:06:31
Yes BF2 dying is realistic.

Flying 20 meters backwards at 100 km/h after M95 headshot, flying 300 meters up in the air by arty shot, hanging on the stairs from your finger tip and shake on the ground like mad man on ruff ground. Realistic, BF2 death animations sucked and have always sucked, one of the things that was never really fixed.

Those deaths are not realistic.
I agree on the arty side of it and for being stuck in stairs and such it's physic bugs not the way to die.

By the way to die I mean, the back on the ground, facing the sky and seeing your view going backwards when you die. And no you don't fly 20 meters backwards lol, go play some solo against bots.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 09-06-2011, 17:06:17
Speaking of which. Are there any plans for artillery or gadgets?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: S1lv3rWolf on 09-06-2011, 18:06:31
Yeah. If its AK 74's and AK 103's. And some AK-200's(since its 2014) and such, sure i am intrested.

But no AK47's and AKM"s. AKM's are only used by a few reserve troops at the moment

Well, BF2 already had AK-101 for MEC so I bet they will use that. Or AN-94s/AEK-971s like in BC2.

What I hate most in these modern games (COD and BC2) is that russian army uses so many different weapons... in MW2 they have weapons like TAR-21 and F2000 and even some M16s. Why is it so hard to make just AK74... or AK200.


They said that "Back to Karkand" is supposed to be a proper expansion pack like BC2:Vietnam, which means you might actually see most if not all of BF2's weaponry and armor, so AK-101 might come up there.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: IrishReloaded on 09-06-2011, 19:06:13
anyone ever tried making karkand into a french town for fh2:D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 09-06-2011, 19:06:16
anyone ever tried making karkand into a french town for fh2:D

that would be awsome to see how would play out^^

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: elander on 09-06-2011, 21:06:27
anyone ever tried making karkand into a french town for fh2:D

that would be awsome to see how would play out^^



Indeed! Haha :) I started a map for Battlefield Pirates 2 "Karkand 1742" with a Venice styled city with ships and all ;) then i realised the playercount for bfp2 was like 0 :p
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 09-06-2011, 22:06:34
Pirates  :'(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 10-06-2011, 00:06:38
Speaking of which. Are there any plans for artillery or gadgets?

In the UK forum a dev said that there would be artillery tanks. It could be that the ol' self propelled artillery is making a comeback or he doesnt know shit when it comes to name vehicles.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hslan.GN_Angrybeaver on 10-06-2011, 02:06:04
anybody seen the new south park episode?
thats what i see when i see bf3.
still not impressed.......not at all
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Moose on 10-06-2011, 04:06:59
anybody seen the new south park episode?
thats what i see when i see bf3.
still not impressed.......not at all

That episode is signifying that they are bored of SP and want to end it
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 10-06-2011, 10:06:47
...DICE has been notorious about the large amount of bugs, unbalances and glitches in it's products so I will see where BF3 will go to...

...DICE seem to have abandoned BC2 with the patchmaking, which is a shame...
I won't argue with that...my favourite BF2 imbalance is AA vs Jets, the AA range improved noticeably after 1.5, but it's still nowhere near good enough... ::)


I don't think you'll see any more patches for any pre-BF3 games, not now that BF3 is in production.



They said that "Back to Karkand" is supposed to be a proper expansion pack like BC2:Vietnam, which means you might actually see most if not all of BF2's weaponry and armor, so AK-101 might come up there.
I'd put money on it:

Quote
...You were also Lead Designer on last year’s expansion pack Battlefield: Bad Company 2 Vietnam. Do you see any similarities between that and Back to Karkand?
-- Certainly from the perspective of scope and ambition, they are very similar. This is no simple map pack. Back to Karkand will also include iconic Battlefield 2 vehicles, weapons to bring back to the base game, new unlocks and persistence, and more content that we will talk about later. They are also similar in that they are both strongly themed....

Quote
Anyone who preorders Battlefield 3 will receive our first themed expansion pack at no extra charge.

 - http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2011/05/10/Back-to-Karkand.aspx


My only question is: what's BTK's theme? BF2?... :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 10-06-2011, 13:06:05
(http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.ImageFileViewer/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles.battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/B2K_5F00_Strike_5F00_at_5F00_Karkand_5F00_Concept.jpg_2D00_550x0.jpg)

Anyone seeing some similarity between this and the alpha footage of BF2?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 10-06-2011, 14:06:52
That is only concept arty though and the none of the maps will looks like that, well you can see the art style. So the devs said.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kalkalash on 10-06-2011, 19:06:45
Some news from E3:

According to EA, there will be a new Battlefield and Medal of Honor game every other year (new MoH next year, new BF in 2013, and so on). DICE will be doing the Battlefield series and Danger Close will be working with MoH. Both companies will have two years two develop a new game.

One of the reasons for this is that EA wants to take full advantage over big technology investments, such as Frostbite 2. So probably, the Medal of Honors will be using Frostbite 2 as well.

Full article (http://www.develop-online.net/news/37956/EA-Battlefield-and-MOH-games-in-annual-rotation)

So apparently Battlefield and DICE have been dragged too into the "let's make a slightly different version of the previous game every year" -idea
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 10-06-2011, 19:06:53

So apparently Battlefield and DICE have been dragged too into the "let's make a slightly different version of the previous game every year" -idea

Of course they are... Making unique blockbuster games has become really expensive and time consuming... Better to milk the cashcow - CoD style!

EDIT: Maybe we'll even see a WWII title comeback on FB2!  ;)  But, still I wouldn't get my hopes up...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 10-06-2011, 19:06:05
Well I can't except them to make a new and better engine every two years. But new content and concept, that'll do.
If they were smart they make sure it backwards compatible with the other games. Meaning that it won't split the player base over multiple games.
So one moment you are playing BF3, the next moment the server switches to a Medal of Honor II map.
Something like that.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 10-06-2011, 19:06:14

So apparently Battlefield and DICE have been dragged too into the "let's make a slightly different version of the previous game every year" -idea
Yeah, milk every damn Dollar from each sucessful game series!

Well done EA! You´re about to turn a classic game series into just another "Meh"-series, like CoD or FIFA. Atleast we still have good and gamer-friendly publishers, such as Valve or Tripwire Interactive...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: S1lv3rWolf on 10-06-2011, 19:06:57
In terms of engines, Frostbite 1 was made in 2008 and evolved into Frostbite 2 now in 2011
Call of Duty's engine however is older, the biggest change was probably Call of Duty 4 which was in 2007, the engine was pretty much the same since then with small changes. Working hard, or hardly working?


The mentality between MoH and BF2 being released every two years is the same as Call of Duty's indeed, but the thing is, there's been a Battlefield every year since '08 with Bad Company and this system isn't related to a single franchise, but two different ones, in the end, we'll see how it goes...


My only question is: what's BTK's theme? BF2?... :-\
I can't see why not, BF2's timeline (early 21st century) is quite a bit before Battlefield 3 (set in 2014), so there'll still be quite a few differences.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 10-06-2011, 20:06:57
i would likie to see a ww2 with the Frostbite 2

"You can see it now Tiger driving throw a house like Men of War! :D :D :o"

"No more camping because all you have to do is get a Junkers Ju 87 and blow up the hole house! 8)"

just think how killer it would be! :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: KevinWad on 10-06-2011, 21:06:42


Anyone seeing some similarity between this and the alpha footage of BF2?
Notice it says "Back to Karkand" in the bottom of the picture, that means it's part of the Back to Karkand expansion pack which includes several BF2 maps.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 10-06-2011, 21:06:56


Anyone seeing some similarity between this and the alpha footage of BF2?
Notice it says "Back to Karkand" in the bottom of the picture, that means it's part of the Back to Karkand expansion pack which includes several BF2 maps.
Yep, and Im referring to BF2 alpha footage footage seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv1qbuNA1ys


Yknow, the stuff that was out before the game was released, where it look completley different.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 10-06-2011, 23:06:20
A new BF has always come at least in 2 years. BF42, BFV, BF2, BF2142, BF:BC, BF43, BF:BC2 and so on. Nothing new. BF4 probably won't come for some time but some sort of BFV/BF2142 correspondent for BF3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-06-2011, 23:06:14
i will always hearty welcome a new BF2142
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 11-06-2011, 14:06:57
BFV for the world! I still play the game every friday night with mates. I wish theyd make a remake of it, just the exact same concept with better graphics and more air maps.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Arc_Shielder on 11-06-2011, 16:06:01
BFV for the world! I still play the game every friday night with mates. I wish theyd make a remake of it, just the exact same concept with better graphics and more air maps.

Hm, I take you will play PR:V like a mad man once it's released?

I'm not looking forward to BF3 despite being initially impressed with the teaser. Some good titles in E3 completely overshadowed it to me.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Nerdsturm on 11-06-2011, 19:06:48
They haven't really shown anything of substance about the multiplayer yet(which is what the series is all about, after all), so I'll withhold judgement for now. However, I must admit the graphics in the tank mission they showed were pretty impressive, and of the sort that actually has an impact on gameplay rather than just making the game look prettier. If they have tank combat focused maps like that mission in multiplayer there is definitely potential for them to be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 11-06-2011, 20:06:49
BFV for the world! I still play the game every friday night with mates. I wish theyd make a remake of it, just the exact same concept with better graphics and more air maps.

Hm, I take you will play PR:V like a mad man once it's released?

I'm not looking forward to BF3 despite being initially impressed with the teaser. Some good titles in E3 completely overshadowed it to me.

Will see will see, we will defenitly hop in a few choppahs and shoot some m16's.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 11-06-2011, 20:06:22
I would like to see how they handle entering/exiting vehicles tbh. Again, not enough MP shown so I guess we will have to wait a little longer.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 12-06-2011, 07:06:10
To start with Natty is obviously trolling....While FH2 is a re-skinned BF2 PR has enough nifty little game mechanics to make it a whole other experience.  People don't play PR because it it the most awesome first shooter experience out there.  They play it for the forced tactical based team play.  Same reason I play it once and a while.  Great fun with a bunch of mates.  When I want a great frag some d-bags FPS I play BFBC2 on my PS3....If for some reason I want to hang around my PC I play the Battlefield Play for Free mod for the same LOL factor.  FH2 to me is all about immersion...And as wonderful as all the stuff in FH2 is that immersion gets broken when I get into a firefight.  It then becomes a COD WaW game for me.  More dependent on nice ping and twitch factor CS aiming then real teamwork.  But each to his own.  Speaking of COD and BF3..LOL

http://www.1up.com/news/bobby-kotick-denied-chance-play-battlefield-3
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 12-06-2011, 12:06:16
If they have tank combat focused maps like that mission in multiplayer there is definitely potential for them to be a lot of fun.

Would be cool indeed to have MP styled maps like this, having half a team in tanks making an assault on a fixed base with the other half as infantry in APCs behind them that have to secure the flags.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 13-06-2011, 00:06:46
I would like to see how they handle entering/exiting vehicles tbh. Again, not enough MP shown so I guess we will have to wait a little longer.

Animation in single player, none in multiplayer.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: RAnDOOm on 06-07-2011, 02:07:54
http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/151935/

"As of now, we are not going to make any modding tools. If you look at the Frostbite engine, and how complex it is, it’s going to be very difficult for people to mod the game, because of the nature of the set up of levels, of the destruction and all those things… it’s quite tricky. So we think it’s going to be too big of a challenge for people to make a mod."


What a retard....    :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 06-07-2011, 02:07:55
Give it 6 months. Never underestimate a substaintial community. Also, people seem to forget the basics of BF games:


Its buggy on release.
and
There is never any mod tools on release.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 06-07-2011, 02:07:21
I still think the final sentence is a bit condescending. There are tons of talented folks that would dedicated their time and energy to learning Frostbites inner nooks and crannies. But nevertheless, I wasn't expecting mod tools for BF3, and I highly doubt there will be any in the future.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 06-07-2011, 11:07:09
People need to remember something. They have never released any significant mod tools. The mod tools for BF42 and BF2 were made mostly by the modders themselves.
Title: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: Defibkiller on 06-07-2011, 11:07:20
...so, no FH3 on BF3...


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-06-why-you-cant-mod-battlefield-3

Quote
"EA has explained why Battlefield 3 does not feature modding tools.

"As of now we are not going to make any modding tools, no," EA senior vice president Patrick Soderlund confirmed to German website GameStar.de.

Why? Because Battlefield 3 is so complex, creating a mod would be too hard.

"If you look at the Frostbite Engine and how complex it is, it's going to be very difficult for people to mod the game," Soderlund explained.

"Because of the nature of the set-up of levels, the destruction, it's quite tricky.

"So we think it's going to be too big of a challenge for people to make a mod."


I know there were probably no plans to move FH2 over to the new BF3 engine anyway, but the option would have been nice.

so,do you stupid mod makers feel patronised enough by the pricks in suits at EA.?

Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: THeTA0123 on 06-07-2011, 11:07:03
its not that

lets say BF3 gets released with mod tools

FH team comes in and makes an Epic WW2 mod

Then EA cant make a WW2 game on the same engine
MEANS NO MONEY FOR EA's dagobert duck SAFEHOUSE
Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: IrishReloaded on 06-07-2011, 11:07:23
DLC sell better then mods. thats all. its all about money
Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 06-07-2011, 11:07:23
its not that

lets say BF3 gets released with mod tools

FH team comes in and makes an Epic WW2 mod

Then EA cant make a WW2 game on the same engine
MEANS NO MONEY FOR EA's dagobert duck SAFEHOUSE
Bingo.
DICE, under the influence of EA is turning the BF franchise into a cow from which they want to milk as much money as possible.
The BF franchise was always about mods and gameplay innovation, right back to BF42. Up to that game no other multiplayer shooter offered what BF42 offered and with an active modding community the game had a longer playtime and much, much more variety than, lets say CoD1 (just think about all those great BF42 mods, like FinnWars, OPK, BF1918, Desert Combat, FH1 etc. etc.). Just look at player numbers, even today people are playing 42, and even a good number of its mods.
But instead of remaining true to the community, DICE jumped on the DLC/modern warfare/"You play what WE want you to play!"/fancy grahpics, hollow gameplay-bandwagon. Atleast TWI knows the positive effect of a modding community (hell, they even support 3 mods before the release of ROHOS!) and stays true to it´s origins.
Screw BF3, ROHOS will be the game of the year for me!
Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: Thorondor123 on 06-07-2011, 12:07:35
DICE has never released mod tools so it's nothing new really.

Let's continue in the BF3 thread.

Edit: Actually, I'll just merge the threads.
Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: Kubador on 06-07-2011, 12:07:45
Mod tools require a development team. Such development team needs money and doesn't produce any income - not directly anyway. Less and less people stick to one game long enough to wait for a mod development, provided they even realize mods existance.

There are many valid reasons (from producer's PoV) not to create any mod tools.
Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: Natty on 06-07-2011, 12:07:45
DICE has never released mod tools so it's nothing new really.
They released mod tools for bf42, BFV and BF2... And they are 100% correct in their statements as well. 8)
so,do you stupid mod makers feel patronised enough by the pricks in suits at EA.?
We think it is awesome that they allowed us to mod BF2 in the first place. We "stupid modders" wouldnt exist if EA didnt give us the opportunity to mod the game in the first place.

No go troll a tree  :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 06-07-2011, 12:07:59
DICE has never released mod tools so it's nothing new really.
They released mod tools for bf42, BFV and BF2... And they are 100% correct in their statements as well. 8)

I might have chosen my words poorly. The have indeed released mod tools, but most of those tools were made by the modders.

Battlecraft: Made by modders.
RFA Extractor: Made by modders.
Editor42: Made by modders.
3dsmax scripts by modders.
3ds max BF2 exporters by modders.

Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: RAnDOOm on 06-07-2011, 12:07:04

We think it is awesome that they allowed us to mod BF2 in the first place. We "stupid modders" wouldnt exist if EA didnt give us the opportunity to mod the game in the first place.



Well... by saying "So we think it’s going to be too big of a challenge for people to make a mod."" they are indeed calling you stupid.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 06-07-2011, 12:07:06
he works for DICE, dont expect him to be neutral on this :P.

but yeah, poor excuse. they should have said "we want to sell DLCs, so no mod tools"
Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 06-07-2011, 13:07:28
...so, no FH3 on BF3...

Did you honestly think so even for a second?
Title: Re: Apparantly, you modding guys just arent smart enough for BF3 modding.....
Post by: atikabubu on 06-07-2011, 13:07:24
...so, no FH3 on BF3...

Did you honestly think so even for a second?

I did, lol. ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: IrishReloaded on 06-07-2011, 13:07:23
great first post ^^

MOD EDIT: Great spam!!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 06-07-2011, 17:07:42
Yeah, milk every damn Dollar from each sucessful game series!

Well done EA! You´re about to turn a classic game series into just another "Meh"-series, like CoD or FIFA. Atleast we still have good and gamer-friendly publishers, such as Valve or Tripwire Interactive...

You trolls are so funny  ::) on one hand you're whining that dice arent sticking to the "real" BF with BF3 (a.k.a. just making bf42 alloveragain..) and on the other you're saying that they do just make the same game over and over again... this contradiction is proof that you really dont know what you want, or what they're doing... Face it; dice is all about quality and innovation. They have consistently released high-quality games, which all have brought new innovations to players. It's quite obvious that they are not just making another "meh" series as you so deeply and insightfully put it ( :-\) but that they are indeed, creating an all-out new innovation for you to enoy for years to come.
And you will  8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 06-07-2011, 17:07:54
We....All..Just....want...the...damn...modders..to....continue. Dont tell me you dont understand the emotions involved with all the negative responses the community gets after asking for mod tools. I like the Bttlefield series, but i would never ever had played it as many hours as i did without mods for it, without mods it gets boring after a few weeks, if your not 13 that is. So you can "defend" Dice as much as you like, but the glorious days of endless gameplay are still to fresh in the memory.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 06-07-2011, 17:07:27
We....All..Just....want...the...damn...modders..to....continue. Dont tell me you dont understand the emotions involved with all the negative responses the community gets after asking for mod tools. I like the Bttlefield series, but i would never ever had played it as many hours as i did without mods for it, without mods it gets boring after a few weeks, if your not 13 that is. So you can "defend" Dice as much as you like, but the glorious days of endless gameplay are still to fresh in the memory.

Natty defends DICE because he is DICE. Now, stop fighting with him, everyone. Best result you can get from that is in my signature.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 06-07-2011, 17:07:28
defending..? against what?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 06-07-2011, 17:07:12
Haterz
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 06-07-2011, 17:07:02
naah, im not defending.. no one is under any sort of "attack" so defense isn't needed... what Im doing is informing 8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 06-07-2011, 17:07:45
naah, im not defending.. no one is under any sort of "attack" so defense isn't needed... what Im doing is informing 8)
Calling people trolls because they don't share your opinion is not informing.

Now we get back on topic and discuss BF3 in a civilised manner, or heads will start to fall. 8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 06-07-2011, 18:07:03
I'd love to lock this thread.




 8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 06-07-2011, 18:07:01
You trolls are so funny  ::) on one hand you're whining that dice arent sticking to the "real" BF with BF3 (a.k.a. just making bf42 alloveragain..) and on the other you're saying that they do just make the same game over and over again... this contradiction is proof that you really dont know what you want, or what they're doing... Face it; dice is all about quality and innovation. They have consistently released high-quality games, which all have brought new innovations to players. It's quite obvious that they are not just making another "meh" series as you so deeply and insightfully put it ( :-\) but that they are indeed, creating an all-out new innovation for you to enoy for years to come.
And you will  8)

The last "true" BF was BFV to me. BF2 started that highly-annoying stat- and ranking-system where everyone was just whoring for points in order to get a higher rank, just like we see it in BFBC2, the newer CoD games and will see it in BF3.
Sure, BF3s graphics are fancy, but apart from that I don´t see, as someone who´s paycheck does not come from DICE, why BF3 will be an "all-out new innovation" to enjoy. Most of the features are already in other games (such as supression, which strangely only a machine gun has) or aren´t that ground-breaking (pulling your fallen teammate into cover) and kinda feel half-baked (if you want to make players use covering fire, why doesn´t a rifle or a pistol produce supression, either? And what´s the point of pulling your team mate into cover? Are you kinda trying to simulate combat first aid?). And also what´s the point in creating such "all-out new innovations" if you plan to release just another BF in two years?
DICE was indeed all over quality and innovation. BF42 blew my mind when I played it for the first time, since NO other online game offered such vast multiplayer maps. Combined with epic mods it was definately a game worth its price. But now, looking at BF3 I can´t find many reasons why I should spend 60 Euros of my hard-earned money on it. AND pay even more, just for some small DLC to come.
Further, I can´t understand why you think that I´d contradict myself? I never stated that DICE is creating another "true" BF game, quite the contrary. My point is clear:
The BF franchise has lost it´s uniqueness and originality. DICE is trying to jump onto CoDs bandwagon and no fancy graphics will cover up the shallowness of BF3.
Oh, and please refrain from calling me a "Troll". I´m not calling you an "arrogant prick", either. Insulting your opponent in a discussion shows a certain lack of manners and maturity...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 06-07-2011, 18:07:52
Now if a single person continues this useless fight, I lock the whole goddamn thread.

Mod tools will never come and you have to live with that. Most of you have already said your opinions. Don't say it's a bad game before playing it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: RAnDOOm on 06-07-2011, 18:07:02
Now if a single person continues this useless fight, I lock the whole goddamn thread.

Mod tools will never come and you have to live with that. Most of you have already said your opinions. Don't say it's a bad game before playing it.

Im sorry but your wrong.

Nobody said that mod tools will never come, it was said that they wont be released in the beginning.

Just a correction.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: IrishReloaded on 06-07-2011, 18:07:37
so you really think that they will relaise a modding tool instead of 5 DLCs?

Actually the booster packs for BF2 were the first test of DLCs. But they came quite late iirc. Now the guys od Dice are smarter and start making DLCs when the game is not even finished.
Karkand will only be available via DLC iirc
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 06-07-2011, 18:07:28
so you really think that they will relaise a modding tool instead of 5 DLCs?

Actually the booster packs for BF2 were the first test of DLCs. But they came quite late iirc. Now the guys od Dice are smarter and start making DLCs when the game is not even finished.
Karkand will only be available via DLC iirc
Which will be free on release (for PC anyway).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: IrishReloaded on 06-07-2011, 18:07:40
that make sense...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 06-07-2011, 18:07:16
a bunch of subjective stuff
oh, ok, I thought we were talking about the actual games... not what they were or did to you, personally 9 years ago when you played bf42 the first time, or which Bf games you consider "real" and whatnots.
Sorry, I will double check that discussions are about facts and objectivity before commenting again.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 06-07-2011, 19:07:56
^We´re talking about actual games. BF42 was a revolutionary new game with a great new concept (64 players fighting on large maps with air, ground and naval assets) when it came out, BF3´s announced features aren´t as revolutionary as you try to "inform" us. I would hardly call half-baked "features" creating an all-out new innovation...and after browsing through some BF forums it seems like I´m not the only one with that oppinion.


It´s actually interesting to know that there are already six pre-order versions for BF3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 06-07-2011, 19:07:45
BF3´s announced features aren´t as revolutionary as you try to "inform" us.
How do you know that they aren't? perhaps you should stop reading on forums about what BF3 "is" (i.e. what public forum regulars think it will be), and instead listen to the developers of the game when they explain to you what the game actually is.
 8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 06-07-2011, 19:07:13
Oh yes because the person trying to sell it is completely neutral in his opinion.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 06-07-2011, 19:07:59
There´s a pretty good German news site about the BF franchise and I read their news daily, so I can say that I´m quite informed about the upcoming title and its features. I won´t repeat myself and just advise you to read my post on why I believe that the announced features are in my oppinion half-baked and far from revolutianary...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 06-07-2011, 19:07:20
why I believe
believe, being the key-word here  8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 06-07-2011, 19:07:49

believe, being the key-word here  8)
Enlighten me then, oh great DICE employee and tell me which of the revealed features are creating an all-out new innovation. I read basically about all of the announced features and none of them are creating an all-out new innovation.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 06-07-2011, 20:07:17
We'll be back when people learn to listen moderators and stop spamming and fighting over something stupid.

Now, behave.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 09-07-2011, 07:07:18
Battlefield 3 system requirements revealed
Minimum

    Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version
    OS: Windows Vista or Windows 7
    Processor: Core 2 Duo @ 2.0GHzRAM2GB
    Video Card: DirectX 10 or 11 compatible Nvidia or AMD ATI card

 
Recommended

    Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version
    OS: Windows 7 64-bit
    Processor: Quad-core Intel or AMD CPURAM 4GB
    Video Card: DirectX 11 Nvidia or AMD ATI card, GeForce GTX 460, Radeon Radeon HD 6850





Just in time for my new PC well new Gfx cards 2 Nvida 560 Ti  in sli (YAAA Fermi cards!!).... better then my old 2 9800gtx2s in sli
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Tuco on 09-07-2011, 08:07:57
So looks like my 5850's gunna struggle abit with this one huh.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: McCloskey on 09-07-2011, 13:07:58
yeam, seems like I really am gonna have to replace my 5770 with something like 6870... and buy some quad core instead of X3

there goes my money earned from the job I'll have later this vacation. damn BF3 ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 09-07-2011, 13:07:00
My computer is just on recommended..

AMD Athlon x4 and Geforce 460..

I had same with GTA4 and old computer.. Turned out I could barely play it with low graphics.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 09-07-2011, 13:07:53
would a phenon II x6 with a 6870 be able to run it? i heard mixed reviews about the phenon, been not as good even with all those cores
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eat Uranium on 09-07-2011, 13:07:10
I'm just about on minimum.  8000 series being the first dx10 cards.

:-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 09-07-2011, 14:07:31
So looks like my 5850's gunna struggle abit with this one huh.

5850 is little more powerful than 6850 so we should be fine :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Turkletoon on 09-07-2011, 15:07:35
would a phenon II x6 with a 6870 be able to run it? i heard mixed reviews about the phenon, been not as good even with all those cores

a phenon II x6 should have no problem with it. I got one that's clocked @ 3,8 ghz and it's performing excellent in games, even though I mostly use my computer for 3D modelling and animating.

I will surely get BF3 thought  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 09-07-2011, 16:07:44
    Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version
DRM takes 5 GB of disc space? /troll
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 09-07-2011, 18:07:49
would a phenon II x6 with a 6870 be able to run it? i heard mixed reviews about the phenon, been not as good even with all those cores

a phenon II x6 should have no problem with it. I got one that's clocked @ 3,8 ghz and it's performing excellent in games, even though I mostly use my computer for 3D modelling and animating.

I will surely get BF3 thought  ;D
yep i have a AMD Phenom II X6 3.3 GHz (OC to 4.1GHz)   8gigs of DDr3 ram and 2 Nvida 560 TI in Sli 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 09-07-2011, 18:07:34
yep i have a AMD Phenom II X6 3.3 GHz (OC to 4.1GHz)   8gigs of DDr3 ram and 2 Nvida 560 TI in Sli 

Quote
yep i have a

That's as far as I understand that sentence lol.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: siben on 09-07-2011, 18:07:47
Damn, my intel I7 2600 3,4Ghz wont even cut it for recommended...
Same with my HD 6700 series card...

I really thought i had a decent computer .... :(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 09-07-2011, 19:07:40
Damn, my intel I7 2600 3,4Ghz wont even cut it for recommended...
Same with my HD 6700 series card...

I really thought i had a decent computer .... :(
What? i7 2600 is quad-core so should do just fine. HD6700 is the bottleneck on your system.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Turkletoon on 09-07-2011, 19:07:01
yep i have a AMD Phenom II X6 3.3 GHz (OC to 4.1GHz)   8gigs of DDr3 ram and 2 Nvida 560 TI in Sli 
What kind of cooling do you have, water?
I didn't manage to go beyond 3.9 ghz. But mine was originally clocked at 3.2 ghz.
And what PSU do you have?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 09-07-2011, 20:07:17
yep i have a AMD Phenom II X6 3.3 GHz (OC to 4.1GHz)   8gigs of DDr3 ram and 2 Nvida 560 TI in Sli 
What kind of cooling do you have, water?
I didn't manage to go beyond 3.9 ghz. But mine was originally clocked at 3.2 ghz.
And what PSU do you have?

nope no water thats a wast of $$$. its on air useing a Cooler Master Hyper N520 but on top of my case i have a Rexus Rexflo250mm Blue 250mm Blue LED Case Fan  and 2 120mm fans in front for my hard drives and a 120mm fan on the side of my case.

my psu CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX1200 (CMPSU-1200AX) 1200W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 SLI Certified 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 09-07-2011, 20:07:42
   Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version
DRM takes 5 GB of disc space? /troll
Ya DRM is a fucking joke its  supposed to stop piracy.... but thats one reason why a download cracks so i don't have to put up with that and Steam.... I hate Steam....      and It really dose nothing to stop piracy

(http://www.digital-digest.com/images/teaserimage/DVDGuy_drm_doesnt_work.png)
"Good Old Games specialises in allowing people to buy retro, discontinued games, and so they know a thing or two about the gaming business. Andhaving to frequently deal with DRM systems that are no longer supported by publishers, they know a thing or two about DRM too.

Which is why they've come out attacking DRM, and saying, quite clearly, that it not only does not work in stopping people from pirating games, DRM actually drives people to pirate the games.

Speaking to bit-tech, Good Old Games' PR and marketing manager, Lukasz Kukawski attacked the usefulness of DRM, saying that the actual deterrent effect is "None, or close to none."

"What I will say isn’t popular in the gaming industry," added Kukawski, "but in my opinion DRM drives people to pirate games rather than prevent them from doing that. Would you rather spend $50 on a game that requires installing malware on your system, or to stay online all the time and crashes every time the connection goes down, or would you rather download a cracked version without all that hassle?"

Kukawski then refers to recent games, such as Crysis 2, being leaked before the game is even released, complete with DRM stripped, and rightly questions just how is DRM supposed to be effective when this kind of thing is happening all the time.

Kukawski also feels that many gamers, who are paying for full copies of games, are still turning to pirating tools and DRM cracks as a way to properly enjoy games, and "That’s not how it should be"."
from http://www.digital-digest.com/news-62968-GOG-DRM-drives-people-to-pirate-games.html
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 09-07-2011, 20:07:21
The more you try to prevent something, the more people will try to break it

The more companies invest to prevent people from pirating games, the more it will actually be pirated

Like spore. EA said they invested tonnes of cash in protecting the game from being pirated

2 days after the release, the game got cracked and illegaly downloaded a million times. i mean hackers just say=Challenge accepted

Its like guns. The more stricter you make a gunlaw, the more people buy guns on the blackmarket, and the more things get out of control
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 09-07-2011, 21:07:56
The most effective DRM I've seen lately was FADE for ArmA 2. I was wondering why I couldn't shoot straight in the pirated version, only to learn that it was part of the anti-piracy programs that slowly and steadily decreased the playability of the game. Needless to say, after being annoyed and not able to shoot straight...I bought the game just so I could try it properly.

$45 well spent I might add.

Ultimately if I pirate a game and love it, I will buy it though, for various reasons.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 09-07-2011, 22:07:00
Ultimately if I pirate a game and love it, I will buy it though, for various reasons.
same here Support the companies, which software you actually enjoy!           
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 10-07-2011, 15:07:41
I also like TF2's way of doing it: release small updates every 2 weeks. It must have been a pain for anyone playing the pirated version, surely you would get tired of the constant cracking needed.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 10-07-2011, 15:07:48
Back then anyway. Now it doesnt matter anymore when it comes to TF2.

But that ARMA FADE thing sounds very interesting.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 11-07-2011, 03:07:44
Support the companies, which software you actually enjoy!  (http://Support the companies, which software you actually enjoy!)

Yea right.... ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kev4000 on 11-07-2011, 03:07:57

But Battlefield 2 damage system, just meh.
M16 requires 4 body shots vs regular people, 5 shots vs ppl with body armour.
The AK101, which uses the same caliber, only needs 3 vs regular ppl!

Keep in mind, that there is a huge diffrence between the 5.45x39mm and the 5.56x45 NATO round

The 5.45x39 had a slightly shorter range, but damage wise, it is far deadlier then the 5.56
There is a tiny hole at the tip of the bullet, once the round hits a target, the bullet tilts vertically and has an unusual, but damaging pattern of causing flesh trauma. that way, causing a much huger wound then with a 5.56mm nato round

NATO doesnt use such a round, because it is forbidden.

Just read this now. You're thinking of the ak74. The ak101 is an ak74 in 5.56x45 NATO.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 12-07-2011, 02:07:25
Looks like my computer pulls through on the specs  :)

Probably gonna upgrade my ram from 3 gigz to 4 or more. 

And maybe my graphics card from the Nvidia Geforce 9800GT to something a bit more powerful :I

Not totally sure if I'll be getting BF3 though. It looks ok, but ehh. I'll wait till after a few reviews from some of the forumers on here before I buy it, if it gets positive ratings.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 12-07-2011, 11:07:15
Don't get too excited kids...the system specs that were posted are false:
Quote
Alan Kertz, BF3's Senior Gameplay Designer, recently confirmed the false leak by Tweeting, "We have not annouced any specs."

 - http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/dice-puts-battlefield-3-rumors-to-bed/



...I hate Steam...
Amen... :)


Speaking of, it appears quite possible that BF3 won't be available on Steam.

Nothing confirmed yet, but it appears EA has to choose between higher sales figures for BF3 or pushing their Origin platform.

 - http://gnews.com/ea-edge-closer-to-keeping-battlefield-3-off-steam-14201115071611/



I went and pre-ordered it today, getting the Physical Warfare pack (with the Type 88, Fletchette ammo, etc). And I'm getting the PW pack for no other reason than, it was 2 bucks cheaper than the normal BTK version...go figure.  :)



LOL, nice one EA... ;D

 - http://www.ripten.com/2011/07/11/ea-buys-moderwarfare3-com-directs-users-to-bf3-website/
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 21-07-2011, 22:07:17
http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-multiplayer-trailer-2-case-96869/

What we've been waiting for, some MP.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-07-2011, 22:07:30

But Battlefield 2 damage system, just meh.
M16 requires 4 body shots vs regular people, 5 shots vs ppl with body armour.
The AK101, which uses the same caliber, only needs 3 vs regular ppl!

Keep in mind, that there is a huge diffrence between the 5.45x39mm and the 5.56x45 NATO round

The 5.45x39 had a slightly shorter range, but damage wise, it is far deadlier then the 5.56
There is a tiny hole at the tip of the bullet, once the round hits a target, the bullet tilts vertically and has an unusual, but damaging pattern of causing flesh trauma. that way, causing a much huger wound then with a 5.56mm nato round

NATO doesnt use such a round, because it is forbidden.

Just read this now. You're thinking of the ak74. The ak101 is an ak74 in 5.56x45 NATO.
you sir

are 100% correct

Have a theta dollar
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 21-07-2011, 22:07:54
And in 18 months we're going to be waiting for FH3 to come out, bitching about how DICE somehow managed to make a crappy engine three times in a row. 

Soon enough we'll see if jumjum's prophesy will come true. ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 21-07-2011, 22:07:32
Place your bets now gentlemen.


Frankly, the one thing that always makes me laugh is, there is always a 'but', in this game, plus alot of other games at the moment.

For example:
We have this awesome engine with all these bells and whistles and so many things and it will BRING A NEW DAWN IN MUTLIPLAYER GAMING....

BUT

You cant destroy buildings, fully, because it'll ruin the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaameplaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

You cant destroy all of the lights in the underground, because it'll ruin the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaameplaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

You cant have mutli crewed tanks, because it'll ruin the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaameplaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

You cant one hit kill people with high calibre weapons like IRL, because it'll ruin the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaameplaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kubador on 22-07-2011, 00:07:45
Soooo many awards and the game is not even out yet...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 22-07-2011, 02:07:09
http://www.youtube.com/profile?feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_112725&user=UsamaFTW#p/u


Guys been uploading BF3 vids all day, watch them all before it gets removed :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 22-07-2011, 02:07:05
Looks nice
BUT....
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 22-07-2011, 03:07:07
From the videos ive seen from him so far:

1. Turns out only some of the buildings are destructable, yknow, the ones you can enter. Like BC2, basically.
2. the G36C makes a reappearance! Fuck yes. RPK-74M used as russian default LMG (it seems).
3. The guy really doesnt give a fuck if people find out who he is. Or hes really that stupid.
4. Lightings nice.
5. Vehicle combat is 'ok' from what I saw w/ the APC footage on metro.
6. YOU'VE GOT LEGS! (we know that already, but still)
7. Pistol running animation is a bit herp derp, looks like he should be walking, however when hes walking it looks like he should running!
8. Might have seen it, but I clocked an M27 IAR in the kill screen. MP-7 seen on killscreen.
9. Usual alpha stuff, sound dropping out, lag/memory spikes, etc.
10. SV98 and M1014 Shotgun confirmed (shotguns sound is like a dart gun though...). M1911 confirmed. perks such as Sprint and Ammo boosts are confirmed.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 22-07-2011, 04:07:07
i don't like the running/sprinting sound.
even BF2 had better sounds. Here it looks like he's making millions of steps per second.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ubba on 28-07-2011, 16:07:33
Been playing the alpha today and honestly it feels like it's something between MoH and BC2 :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-07-2011, 18:07:20
Been playing the alpha today and honestly it feels like it's something between MoH and BC2 :)
you first said BC3


RPK74-M?
NICE
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 28-07-2011, 18:07:09
Technically labelled RPK, but yeh its that.

Anyway, weapon damaged is nice (dont see your attacker most of the time though).
Weapon upgrades are CoD-esqe i.e. acquired for each individual weapon.
LMGs are feeble at everything but defence.
Marksmen rifles double as semi-auto assault rifles.
Most of the weapon-specific upgrades are naff (probably be better in hardcore mode).
BC2 spotting system is back, and is annoying.
G36C is the only select fire weapon if seen so far (probably overlooked some). Has multiple firing modes, but I havent found the button for fire select yet ಠ_ಠ

Usual alpha stuff, sound dropping out, screen tearing in the middle of the screen, etc alot of crashing which is mostly fixed by downloading quatro driver.

Metro gets boring after a while. Seen the end of the map (the district iirc), nothing special.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 28-07-2011, 18:07:15
all I can say is WOOT NO SHIT DRM!!!!! now I don't have to torrent it just to bypass it
may just buy 2 game for that  :D


unlike this

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/28/ubisoft-our-drm-is-a-success/?mtc=comment-106014#comment-106014
Ubisoft: our DRM “is a success”....really..... for that im happy that I have torrent-ed all most all your last games made just for have that DRM "thanks for not caring about  people with bad internet"
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zoologic on 28-07-2011, 19:07:03
Yeah, despite increased sales (due to new titles), they still losing money. Probably the cost of DRM or not selling that much?

Activision also went down, I think I'll give a hats off to EA. Will buy BF3 for sure.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 28-07-2011, 19:07:53
Yeah, despite increased sales (due to new titles), they still losing money. Probably the cost of DRM or not selling that much?

Activision also went down, I think I'll give a hats off to EA. Will buy BF3 for sure.
what really got me is when I seen that "BF3 will not be on Steam" that right there just gave them my money
I love  game that don't use Steam
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 28-07-2011, 19:07:32
I hate games who don't use Steam. I hate using xfire.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hslan.GN_Angrybeaver on 28-07-2011, 19:07:42
just watched the videos...still awefull crap.will not buy.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 28-07-2011, 20:07:29
all I can say is WOOT NO SHIT DRM!!!!! now I don't have to torrent it just to bypass it
may just buy 2 game for that  :D


unlike this

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/28/ubisoft-our-drm-is-a-success/?mtc=comment-106014#comment-106014
Ubisoft: our DRM “is a success”....really..... for that im happy that I have torrent-ed all most all your last games made just for have that DRM "thanks for not caring about  people with bad internet"
The game only starts running once your loading into a server, from there on its all from your browser, of which you need to download plugins for to run the game.

Yes, fuck you very much Battlelog. Only thing thats handy is i can immediately select the forums tab to tell them how fucking stupid the system is.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: McCloskey on 29-07-2011, 02:07:39
wait, so it works like BF Heroes/P4F? ???
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: black_pepper on 29-07-2011, 14:07:57
but I havent found the button for fire select yet ಠ_ಠ



You can switch firemodes from V button.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Torenico on 30-07-2011, 03:07:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e_cLfMjsQk

Wow, good job DICE.


I rather call this Game Battlefield: Bad Company 3

And wtf, 100pts for Killing a dude?? I guess repairing/resupply/heal are just 10?

Whats this shit all about? WHERES BF2 IN THIS?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 30-07-2011, 12:07:02
Guys who played it all said it feels more like BF2 than BC2. So if you haven't played it, stop judging the game regarding BF2/BC2.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-07-2011, 13:07:32
Anyway
What kind of RUSSIAAANNNN weapons are in?

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hslan.Grim on 30-07-2011, 16:07:44
Guys who played it all said it feels more like BF2 than BC2. So if you haven't played it, stop judging the game regarding BF2/BC2.

I may damn hope so! Since BC2 sucked donkey balls.

And I want (more) MP aerial combat footage! Know!!!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 30-07-2011, 16:07:12
Guys who played it all said it feels more like BF2 than BC2. So if you haven't played it, stop judging the game regarding BF2/BC2.
Its better than BC2 for sure, but its nowhere near BF2 excellence. Guess we'll have to wait before we make judgement. Using rush mode in the alpha test was a fucking goof and a half.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hslan.Grim on 30-07-2011, 18:07:57
I just want conquest. Dont gave a shit about CTF, Rush or King of the Hill stuff. Thats for consoles! I need epic big open maps with every militairy equipment possible!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-07-2011, 18:07:25
Well, the one thing that has me exicted for BF3 is the weapon list. But i might wait a day before i buy this.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 30-07-2011, 18:07:07
[natty] You mean the one that only has 3 confirmed weapons?  ;) [/natty]


I wish games had the M40 as a sniper rifle every once in awhile. M24 is too generic now. They're almost the same thing, but I prefer the M40!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 31-07-2011, 02:07:47
Well, the one thing that has me exicted for BF3 is the weapon list. But i might wait a day before i buy this.
Some really nice one :D. But the sounds are so FREAKING bad :( .
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 31-07-2011, 02:07:34
Natty, if you're reading this, for the love of all that is good, put abc lines or sometihng to prevent base campers.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 31-07-2011, 05:07:43
thats not his call :p
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 31-07-2011, 12:07:23
Natty, if you're reading this, for the love of all that is good, put abc lines or sometihng to prevent base campers.
ok, Im a designer in the Easy studios and I work with Battlefield Heroes and Battlefield Play4Free, I have absolutley nothing to do with the Battlefield 3 project.
I would suggest using any of the main channels to communicate with the BF3 community managers & designers;
http://www.facebook.com/battlefield
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/

I did add "ABC" lines for the Battlefield Play4Free game mode (and in a few BFHeroes maps), and it works very well there, it's not impossible that you could convince the BF3 team to add a similar spawnkill prevention there. I suggest creating very clear pictures with drawings on what you want and why. "ABC line" is not a universally known design term.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 31-07-2011, 20:07:45
I figured you might be the most direct at passing the word along channels! I havn't seen many developer teams take notice of the forums or the suggestions on them (cough cough WoT stands out), but I suppose I will have to give it a try.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Neighbor Kid on 01-08-2011, 03:08:37
alpha testing is awesome.. i love playing bf3 alpha..it even have vehicle disabling.. like stopping/ slowing vehicles down.. realy wish they have mod tools coming for bf3... =(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 01-08-2011, 03:08:05
WE'RE SORRY - YOU DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA TO ENTER THIS SITE.

....rrrrr :'( O well cant wait to play it when it is done ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-08-2011, 08:08:35
I figured you might be the most direct at passing the word along channels! I havn't seen many developer teams take notice of the forums or the suggestions on them (cough cough WoT stands out), but I suppose I will have to give it a try.
DICE keep a very good look on what the community thinks and feels about their games  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-08-2011, 08:08:52
the problem is EA
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 05-08-2011, 21:08:06
Someone mentioned a "hardcore" mode. Has there been any info released on what it is going to be like?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 05-08-2011, 21:08:20
Someone mentioned a "hardcore" mode. Has there been any info released on what it is going to be like?

Limited hud, no crosshair, weapons more deadly.. basically.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 05-08-2011, 21:08:46
Will the destructible environment be changed for that gametype in any way? And will there be any changes to the kit layouts as well? Was any of this in BC? (I believe there is such a gamemode in that game as well)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 06-08-2011, 00:08:12
Nope.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-08-2011, 13:08:38
been watching some videos......god this looks so much like Cod.........
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 07-08-2011, 13:08:56
been watching some videos......god this looks so much like Cod.........
Yes, shallow analyses of games will make them look like each other. Try looking deeper  ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-08-2011, 17:08:26
been watching some videos......god this looks so much like Cod.........
Yes, shallow analyses of games will make them look like each other. Try looking deeper  ::)
Constant running around with sprint..Easy aiming and shooting while on the move....Sounds like Cod to me
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 07-08-2011, 17:08:21
dont forget the regen health and the 3derp spotting :P. also infinite ammo for vehicles
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-08-2011, 17:08:12
dont forget the regen health and the 3derp spotting :P. also infinite ammo for vehicles
aaah good one my friend
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 07-08-2011, 18:08:17
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/Natty_Wallo/natty-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 07-08-2011, 18:08:50
BF2 dint had health regen

Runing sideways while shooting messed up your aim alot in BF2..This doesnt seem the case here
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 07-08-2011, 18:08:27
BF2 dint had health regen

Runing sideways while shooting messed up your aim alot in BF2..This doesnt seem the case here

But you can't run sideways in BF,it seems more like walking to me. Or am I missing something?

OT: BF 3 looks great. And that's about it... Nothing "ZOMG totally new and revolutionary". But we'll see it when it comes out how it will turn out.

P.S. It has dinosaurs!  :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 07-08-2011, 20:08:13
Anybody else here who thinks that the Back to Karkand DLC thingy for Pre-Order gamers boils down to extortion?
I mean come on, if I want to wait for a decent review, I'll have to pay 12€ extra?!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 07-08-2011, 21:08:57
Anybody else here who thinks that the Back to Karkand DLC thingy for Pre-Order gamers boils down to extortion?
I mean come on, if I want to wait for a decent review, I'll have to pay 12€ extra?!
It will most likely be standard for every PC version anyway. These incentives are clearly means to earn some cash from the second hand market which only exists on the consoles. In BC2 every PC player got all the mappacks for free as. Console gamers who bought it second hand had to buy a VIP code to get them.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 07-08-2011, 21:08:29
Anybody else here who thinks that the Back to Karkand DLC thingy for Pre-Order gamers boils down to extortion?
I mean come on, if I want to wait for a decent review, I'll have to pay 12€ extra?!

You can still pre-order one day before release and the content will be free on the PC anyways. You'd just have to wait a month.

They're just trying to boost their pre-orders for whatever marketing reasons but they're not out to rip anyone off.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 07-08-2011, 21:08:12
You can always wait a year or so, and get some BF3 full pack with all the DLC at a cheaper price....
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 07-08-2011, 22:08:12
You guys fail to see the point.
On my last info, they said that the Back to Karkand DLC will be on sale for 12€ as a mappack after the release... also on PC.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 08-08-2011, 08:08:40
Anybody else here who thinks that the Back to Karkand DLC thingy for Pre-Order gamers boils down to extortion?
I mean come on, if I want to wait for a decent review, I'll have to pay 12€ extra?!
Good point, but IMO the whole DLC thing is getting out of hand.

Anyway, they got me, I pre-ordered it just so I don't have to pay even more for the BTK maps (I'll have to pay extra for them anyway, because I doubt they're included on the disc... ::))
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 12-08-2011, 03:08:20
Total bullshit. Any intentions I had of buying BF3 are certainly gone.

No matter where you buy it, except maybe other online retailers, you will be forced to install and run DICE's steam copy "Origin" for the game to launch.

http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-requires-origin-mole-99670/
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 12-08-2011, 03:08:20

P.S. It has dinosaurs!  :P

(http://i.imgur.com/SGiEQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 12-08-2011, 03:08:08
are there going to be any bots In BF3? ???
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 12-08-2011, 04:08:19
http://www.destructoid.com/e3-about-that-dinosaur-in-battlefield-3--203466.phtml
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 12-08-2011, 04:08:47
Old as of 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 12-08-2011, 09:08:27
Total bullshit. Any intentions I had of buying BF3 are certainly gone.

No matter where you buy it, except maybe other online retailers, you will be forced to install and run DICE's steam copy "Origin" for the game to launch.

http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-requires-origin-mole-99670/
So?

How does that differ from being forced to use Steam to play certain games?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 12-08-2011, 12:08:05
some don't want to install other community software for just one game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 12-08-2011, 13:08:51
I'm not against community softwares. I hate playing alone and getting friends in battlefield games is really hard if you don't use game related forums or irc channel.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 13-08-2011, 02:08:33

So?

How does that differ from being forced to use Steam to play certain games?

I've already got Steam, why add another?  ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 13-08-2011, 07:08:36
some don't want to install other community software for just one game.
Well that'll end up being their loss because BF3 isn't the first, and won't be the last, "Origin-only" game.



I've already got Steam, why add another?  ::)
I see your point but that doesn't answer my question.

I don't want to use Steam or Origin, yet I have to if I want to play Civ 5 or BF3.


While I'm not a fan of digital distribution, what better way for EA (not DICE) to grow the Origin user-base than to force people to sign up for it...just like Steam does.  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 16-08-2011, 17:08:48
whiners and doubters are welcomed to check out the MP trailer just shown at gamescom.
Add drumroll, open curtain.  drool ;D

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 16-08-2011, 17:08:36
Natty, where is it?!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 16-08-2011, 17:08:46
See it appearing on YT shortly. Short coop demo with a nice 64p conquest on 'caspain border (iirc)', and some nice footage of jet combat. What intrigued me most though, Natty, was, what the hell was that bomb disfusal bot all about? :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 16-08-2011, 17:08:19
I watched it live, will probably be on YT in matter of minutes.

Search for "Caspian Border" BF3 Multiplayer
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 16-08-2011, 17:08:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDfPxF3EFE
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 16-08-2011, 17:08:39
epic scene which reminds me of the Flashpoint-85  :o

(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/Natty_Wallo/Untitled-1-83.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ts4EVER on 16-08-2011, 17:08:19
I wonder if the burning forest is a  background vista or a gameplay area.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Lightning on 16-08-2011, 17:08:19
Ok, I have to admit, graphically, that looks very nice.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 16-08-2011, 17:08:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDfPxF3EFE

Megaton. Still not a big fan of the infantry combat, but the map looks very pretty.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 16-08-2011, 18:08:20
Was that trailer done in 2x speed? Damn the movements are like on speed....
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 16-08-2011, 18:08:28
Graphics are very nice, but thats about it. Not much interesting gameplay was shown IMO, more of the same old-same old. It was however hard to analyse the gameplay fully as the camera was jumping all over the place, so maybe they're still holdingh off with the good stuff.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 16-08-2011, 18:08:39
Saw it live during the press conference. I wasn´t really impressed by the coop mode. Animations and everything look nice, but infantry combat looks far from "revolutionary" and "immersive". Weapon handling looks not really different from CoD, either and I can´t really see why Andy McNab was casted as a "weapon expert". The guns don´t really have realistic behaviour and can I see auto-heal and orange doritos? Meh...Oh, and why did they show the coop mode on the PS3? Ego-shooters on consoles are just crap and you could clearly see that they had problems aiming properly with a console controller...
The Caspian Border trailer looked good, too. It achieves the feeling of fighting on a "real" battlefield instead of walking through one long "hose", but you can´t really see the actual map size, so I´m eagerly waiting for a mini-map. Finally we could see jets in action and that little EOD robot was kinda funny, too.
But so far I still can´t see why BF3 will be the FPS of the year and unless I´ll see reasons that´ll convince me otherwise I won´t preorder it.
EDIT:
Here´s the minimap. (http://images.bf-games.net/news/2011/08/10245_14.jpg) Not as big as I hoped :/
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 16-08-2011, 19:08:47
This looks great, but I still don't know jack shit about how it plays...  I only see people being all RAMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

What I wanted to see is more info about the suppression system, deployable MGs, destructible environment (i don't want that crap with SMGs suddenly taking down whole houses  :P) and stuff like that.

Still, I have to admit that this will beat the crap out of MW3...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-08-2011, 20:08:26
Yeah it is obvious that this will be better then MW3...but still


anyway
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=165281

still uncomplete list though
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 16-08-2011, 20:08:11
Yeah it is obvious that this will be better then MW3...but still


anyway
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=165281

still uncomplete list though

Tanks regain health? OH MY GOD! I thought you guys were only kidding... Why on earth would they do that, how is this better? I'm just speechless.

Only 4 classes seems like a downgrade as well.

Suppression system and ability to deploy weapons is a nice surprise though
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 16-08-2011, 20:08:24
Yeah it is obvious that this will be better then MW3...but still


anyway
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=165281

still uncomplete list though

Why would you list Coax MG as a specialization, I thought that those are standard issue nowadays... /troll
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 16-08-2011, 21:08:24
What is up with that ear rape of a "music" ?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-08-2011, 21:08:22
Yeah it is obvious that this will be better then MW3...but still


anyway
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=165281

still uncomplete list though

Why would you list Coax MG as a specialization, I thought that those are standard issue nowadays... /troll
Wait for it
Wait for it

Call of       ;)    DUTY
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 16-08-2011, 21:08:51
Yeah it is obvious that this will be better then MW3...but still


anyway
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=165281

still uncomplete list though

Why would you list Coax MG as a specialization, I thought that those are standard issue nowadays... /troll
Wait for it
Wait for it

Call of       ;)    DUTY

No call of duty but bad company 2. (there it is a specialization)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-08-2011, 21:08:41
Yeah it is obvious that this will be better then MW3...but still


anyway
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=165281

still uncomplete list though

Why would you list Coax MG as a specialization, I thought that those are standard issue nowadays... /troll
Wait for it
Wait for it

Call of       ;)    DUTY

No call of duty but bad company 2. (there it is a specialization)
Call of duty world at war ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 17-08-2011, 02:08:24
 :-\

Auto-regen tanks. Wow. Whats the point of a engineer now? No use giving a drill or w/e to someone now. Engy is only good for AT now. Might as well give all classes AT rockets and lower the classes to 3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 17-08-2011, 04:08:19
:-\

Auto-regen tanks. Wow. Whats the point of a engineer now? No use giving a drill or w/e to someone now. Engy is only good for AT now. Might as well give all classes AT rockets and lower the classes to 3.
Well, I played in the alpha, and APC was so much of a fucking RPG magnet it didnt last very long, so I never really noticed any 'health regen'. I did however notice when the vehicle got disabled, which was kinda good.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-08-2011, 12:08:35
Still this means any class can enter a vehicle, start killwhoring, Vehicle Down? jump out and keep spewing lead!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 17-08-2011, 12:08:00
Still this means any class can enter a vehicle, start killwhoring, Vehicle Down? jump out and keep spewing lead!
No, it doesn't, the game is designed more clever than what you can summarize in a shallow forum sentence  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-08-2011, 12:08:45
Still this means any class can enter a vehicle, start killwhoring, Vehicle Down? jump out and keep spewing lead!
No, it doesn't, the game is designed more clever than what you can summarize in a shallow forum sentence  ;)
Then please, explain yourself and i will withdraw that shallow forum sentence ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 17-08-2011, 13:08:29
designed more clevere doesnt mean played more clever ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 17-08-2011, 13:08:22
designed more clevere doesnt mean played more clever ;)
hehehe plus 1
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Chadoi on 17-08-2011, 13:08:52
Does the health regen whilst the vehicle is empty? Or does it have to be occupied for it to heal?

It doesn't seem fair that a tank driver could jump out, take out the attacker with his own weapon then jump back into an automatically healed killing machine.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 17-08-2011, 14:08:45
:-\

Auto-regen tanks. Wow. Whats the point of a engineer now? No use giving a drill or w/e to someone now. Engy is only good for AT now. Might as well give all classes AT rockets and lower the classes to 3.
I'm not big fan either but it doesn't regenerate during a firefight as far as I know. Maybe there is a hardcorde mode as well which removes all these silly features.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 18-08-2011, 09:08:21
Regen is only up till a certain point, probably enough that it will explode after one more hit. Like Drew experienced in the Alpha.
You have to repair the vehicle to restore full health.

Commo rose is confirmed back in. As is a hardcore mode for all the "realistic military" dudes out there  ::)

Here are some spec sheets about weaponry (I love mah A-10 Thunderbolt):
(http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/images/news3/fact_sheet1.jpg)

(http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/images/news3/fact_sheet2.jpg)

(http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/images/news3/fact_sheet3.jpg)

(http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/images/news3/fact_sheet4.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 18-08-2011, 09:08:13
Even with "hardcore mode", I doubt BF3 will live up to PR/FH community's expectations. What people seem to expect is "PR lite". What they will (most likely) get is pimped-out vanilla BF2. I doubt that even the "hardcore mode" would have different ammo types for tanks, penetration/damage dependent on angle, etc.

That said, the editor's column in the local gaming magazine, speculating on the basis of recently announced titles, such as the second Halo trilogy, that sci-fi shooters would be the next pandemonium in the gaming industry, made me think whether the next BF title after BF3 would actually be a follow-up to BF2142 (along with the next CoD being "Future Warfare"). Which would mean that FH2 would remain the premier WW2 shooter for several years, since no new commercial WW2 shooter would be there to replace it due to big gaming companies focusing on sci-fi titles.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-08-2011, 10:08:12
Regen is only up till a certain point, probably enough that it will explode after one more hit. Like Drew experienced in the Alpha.
You have to repair the vehicle to restore full health.

aah now that is nice

and i already posted that NTH ;)

It also appearntly has been confirmed, that artillery will be ingame. But i see now on 2 diffrent sites, the one confirms rocket artillery, and the one confirmes gun artillery
with another confirming Mobile artillery :/

EA wont do that, EA doesnt add that much content  ;D impossibru!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 18-08-2011, 10:08:31
Caspian Border:

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/BF3/content/caspian-border-layout.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 18-08-2011, 10:08:37
game will be american biased methinks  ;D ;D ;D

*ducks for cover
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 18-08-2011, 10:08:27
There´s also an iPad version that can be tested during Gamescom.  ::)

The fact sheet is an interesting read. Tons of weapons of course and also tons of perks. I´m not too happy with the big number of vehicle perks, as it doesn´t make much sense that in an environment of standardization vehicles differ so much. Most of the announced features, such as disabled vehicles, weapon costumization, supressive fire (why for the MG only, btw?), deploying machine guns, unlocking virtual ranks and perks, multiple firemodes or quick reloads can already be found in other games and mods, so DICE took what they though would fit BF3s gameplay, included it and now they try to sell it as "innovative" and "immersive".

There´s (http://videos.pcgames.de/video/3936/Battlefield-3-PC-und-iPad-Gameplay-Gamescom-2011) also a short video from a German PC magazine about a guy who already played BF3 on Gamescom. Nevermind him talking, as he´s a PS3 consolero who knows not much about BF (he claims that respawning in vehicles is a new feature  ::) )but you can see some gameplay footage and also the iPad version.

The minimap interesting. The map isn´t as big as it seems, check (http://h5.abload.de/img/battlefield-3-4rjaa.jpg) this out (http://h5.abload.de/img/10245_144jct.jpg). It seems like all of the flags are pretty close together, so it seems like it´ll end in another CQB massacre.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 18-08-2011, 11:08:43
Regen is only up till a certain point, probably enough that it will explode after one more hit. Like Drew experienced in the Alpha.
You have to repair the vehicle to restore full health.

aah now that is nice

and i already posted that NTH ;)

It also appearntly has been confirmed, that artillery will be ingame. But i see now on 2 diffrent sites, the one confirms rocket artillery, and the one confirmes gun artillery
with another confirming Mobile artillery :/

EA wont do that, EA doesnt add that much content  ;D impossibru!

A pro tip: If possible post pic's instead of links. People are more inclined to read that then a link.
And I am really curious about arty, there might be something to do for me after all in BF3.  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 18-08-2011, 11:08:02
The minimap interesting. The map isn´t as big as it seems, check (http://h5.abload.de/img/battlefield-3-4rjaa.jpg) this out (http://h5.abload.de/img/10245_144jct.jpg). It seems like all of the flags are pretty close together, so it seems like it´ll end in another CQB massacre.
From the looks of it, I'd say 1km x 1km at most. Of course, consoles will only have 24p multiplayer, so for them such a small map would make sense, but if this is PC, I have the suspicion that the destructible environment at such a high detail comes with a cost, and that is the size of a map (because "Requires 16 GB RAM, 32 GB recommended" would kinda cut down the sales quite a bit). The singleplayer (?) demo of the armour attack would confirm this suspicion - the map does look bigger there but is noticeably sparsely detailed and combat takes place at point-blank distances against enemies spawning right next to you.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 18-08-2011, 11:08:20
The minimap interesting. The map isn´t as big as it seems, check (http://h5.abload.de/img/battlefield-3-4rjaa.jpg) this out (http://h5.abload.de/img/10245_144jct.jpg). It seems like all of the flags are pretty close together, so it seems like it´ll end in another CQB massacre.
From the looks of it, I'd say 1km x 1km at most. Of course, consoles will only have 24p multiplayer, so for them such a small map would make sense, but if this is PC, I have the suspicion that the destructible environment at such a high detail comes with a cost, and that is the size of a map (because "Requires 16 GB RAM, 32 GB recommended" would kinda cut down the sales quite a bit). The singleplayer (?) demo of the armour attack would confirm this suspicion - the map does look bigger there but is noticeably sparsely detailed and combat takes place at point-blank distances against enemies spawning right next to you.

Assuming the grids on that map are the same size as on FH2 I'd say it's bigger then for example Meuse river.

Meuse river is 8 by 8 grids.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/311w1v7.jpg)

 This map is 8 by 10. The amount of playable area is roughly the same. I expect you will need vehicles to get anywhere from the mainbases or enjoy a nice long walk..
So not really a small map as could be expected for a map that has planes. The planes are confirmed to be slightly faster then in BF2.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 18-08-2011, 12:08:01
One grid on the Caucasian Borders is around 100m if the A-10 is correctly scaled. Most of the flags would be in a 300x200m square, while "E" flag would be the furthest away.
SL respawns work in ground vehicles and air vehicles, so except if your team has no flags at all and your SL is dead, it won´t take that long to get into combat again.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ts4EVER on 18-08-2011, 13:08:17
It looks like a decent sized combined arms map. The flags are nicely grouped from what I can see, although the terrain is kinda hard to make out. Since the average engagement distance will probably be a tad smaller than Fh2 the map will probably seem very big.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 18-08-2011, 13:08:15
One grid on the Caucasian Borders is around 100m if the A-10 is correctly scaled. Most of the flags would be in a 300x200m square, while "E" flag would be the furthest away.
SL respawns work in ground vehicles and air vehicles, so except if your team has no flags at all and your SL is dead, it won´t take that long to get into combat again.

Yes that would seem the most likely course once the first stage of the map is over. First stage being, getting out of the main base to the flags.
What we don't know is if all flags are to be captured from the start or if some already belong to your team.
By the way I thought you could spawn on all members of your squad not just the SL.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ts4EVER on 18-08-2011, 13:08:28
What I find interesting is that large strip of open land running through the middle. I wonder if it is some kind of nomansland representing the "border"
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 18-08-2011, 14:08:39
Hmm that would make sense. Would be cool too see border posts and checkpoints. Would make an interesting choke point between
Flag B and D. And between Flag E and C.

Edit: Having looked again at the multiplayer trailer you can see it's a wide ditch representing a border. You can see something like a small border post at a bridge across the ditch. Check out the footage of the comm tower (Flag E), you can see it clearly from there.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Priestdk on 18-08-2011, 16:08:49
Only thing i dislike in the list you posted NTH is when i saw Vihicles regenerate health bye them self now O_o lol wut, so you put 2-3 rockets in the tank die come back after respawning and he did move because he can camp now even more, and does not really have to fear you comming back to finnishing him off, it selv repairs now talk about removing team play out of a game. I doo hope it is but slow and that it is not to powerfull a selv repair.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 18-08-2011, 16:08:26
I'm going quote myself here.

Regen is only up till a certain point, probably enough that it will explode after one more hit. Like Drew experienced in the Alpha.
You have to repair the vehicle to restore full health.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 18-08-2011, 17:08:28
considering to get preorder with expansion
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 19-08-2011, 01:08:44
Don't see any difference between a tank that repairs itself (at the cost of another valuable 'perk') out of combat instead of hopping out and doing it yourself. It's not more silly than having a guy with a screwdriver repair an entire tank in the first place because they both simply represent the same thing (a full tank or repair crew at work) brought down to simple arcadish FPS style. 

I highly doubt the thing will automatically repair at a high rate at the midst of combat. It'll be fine.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 19-08-2011, 13:08:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNBxiAXXMZg

So much detail on the maps. Looks amazing.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 19-08-2011, 14:08:18
Don't see any difference between a tank that repairs itself (at the cost of another valuable 'perk') out of combat instead of hopping out and doing it yourself. It's not more silly than having a guy with a screwdriver repair an entire tank in the first place because they both simply represent the same thing (a full tank or repair crew at work) brought down to simple arcadish FPS style. 

I highly doubt the thing will automatically repair at a high rate at the midst of combat. It'll be fine.

I was just about to write that exact post  ;D You are correct: having to exit the tank and dry-hump it with some 3d model is not different from just sitting inside and repair. It's more fun to be able to still operate the tank while repairing as well, and by no means is the exit and wrenching adding to any "realism" or "immersion"

Allthough, it is kind of exciting to do it when risking that another tank discover you :) Finding a good "repair spot" has always been somewhat thrilling in BF games.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 19-08-2011, 15:08:57
Yea thats the only negative thing ive to say about it. Compared with the auto regen for the players this seems quite light and subtile. Still think the auto regen shit for players is bullshit and a non kind of battlefieldish feel. Nothing better than knowing you hit a certain player and finishing him off with one pistol shot. Now your constantly fighting against a clock, nice for the game flow, terrible for a relaxed paced game wich bf42<-- was, yes im a fanboy.
(and play cod on xbox)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 19-08-2011, 17:08:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNBxiAXXMZg

So much detail on the maps. Looks amazing.
I only watched a minute of that, but something cought my eye. I would have expected them to figure out how to make vehicle entry animations by now... I know, a minor thing, but it fealt so strange in the middle of all those updated graphics. Maps are indeed nice from what I have seen, their experience really shows off in that field.

Now I know this game isn't aimed at me and all but I still feel the need to comment on the auto healing feature.

Firstly, yes Natty, it's probably more fun for the tanker. It is not more fun at all however for anyone trying to kill him. In fact, it feels like something really frustrating.

Secondly, there is a major difference between having to bail the tank and repair it and having it repair itself. To do it manually you have to find a very safe place back from the actual battle where there is minimal risk of infantry finding you. Because of this, it doesn't happen that often and people are forced to go down with their tanks. If it's automatic you can pull behind a corner after taking a hit and wait rather safe from infantry. If someone hits once during that time, not that big of a deal: You will still be alive (You wouldn't be if you had been out of the tank) and you can retaliate with your main gun. Not to mention you can observe the surroundings and move your tank accordingly to avoid taking hits. Also you will be able to advance straight away after taking out an enemy tank, while healing on the move.

My point being, this is actually worse with the tanks than the infantry IMO.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 19-08-2011, 17:08:47
I was just about to write that exact post  ;D You are correct: having to exit the tank and dry-hump it with some 3d model is not different from just sitting inside and repair. It's more fun to be able to still operate the tank while repairing as well, and by no means is the exit and wrenching adding to any "realism" or "immersion"

Allthough, it is kind of exciting to do it when risking that another tank discover you :) Finding a good "repair spot" has always been somewhat thrilling in BF games.

It might even be an improvement, because I was scared to death in BC2 to repair my tank because of brainless tards running around thinking it was an empty tank and drove off with it.
I've had that happen more times than I care to remember and it was a reason for me to only play on servers with teamkilling enabled so I could send a rocket up their arse. It really ruined my vehicle experiences in BC2.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 19-08-2011, 18:08:25
never a problem in bf2, I always used to drive the tank to an empty spot, repair it and go back to the battle. another reason to do less thinking ingame and more pewpew.

meh.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 23-08-2011, 03:08:02
http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-team-deathmatch-24-players-no-vehicles-trung-101083/


(http://chocolatereisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/my-mind-is-full-of-fuck.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 23-08-2011, 03:08:59
They've got a point there.
If TDM was 64 players and vehicles what would be the point of it? why not just play conquest(or whatever its called).
Now you have conquest 64 or pure 24 shootout without points and all that crap(basically something for COD retards).

If I understood that correctly
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 23-08-2011, 04:08:15
I don't mind the vehicles thing, but tbh I think 32 would have been a better number
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 23-08-2011, 04:08:59
Its not true deathmatch, thats why. Its Squad Deathmatch like they had in Bad Company 2. While there was a single APC in each BC2 map, basically the maps collapse into six squads of four, and you compete for the highest score.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 23-08-2011, 10:08:37
This gets my vote for the 'Least important BF3 news update' award.


For quite some time I struggled to understand just what it was about BF2 that kept dragging me back to it...

Then I played a deathmatch-only map in AIX and was blown away by how unbelievably fucking boring it was (even with all those sexy guns)... :o

And there it was, Conquest is the addiction. Rather odd considering I was never a fan of capture-the-flag, but there you have it.



TDM in BF2 is just TDM (tedium)... :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2011, 10:08:07
Quote
The logic behind that decision was to allow players to concentrate on more fast-paced infantry gameplay (i.e. Call of Duty).

But we dont WANT another fucking lame superfast paced SHOOTER for fuck sakes...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 23-08-2011, 11:08:07
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The logic behind that decision was to allow players to concentrate on more fast-paced infantry gameplay (i.e. Call of Duty).

But we dont WANT another fucking lame superfast paced SHOOTER for fuck sakes...

Who are "we"?

"We" the Belgians?
"We" the history buffs?
"We" the FH community?

or "we" the 16-year-old COD-lovers who dominate the market of first person shooters i.e. DICE's core audience?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2011, 11:08:12
Dont stretch it to far my friend  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 23-08-2011, 11:08:42
never a problem in bf2, I always used to drive the tank to an empty spot, repair it and go back to the battle. another reason to do less thinking ingame and more pewpew.

meh.
Driving a tank to an empty spot is thinking?  ;D wow.... just wow..... No dude... staying in constant battle having to dodge infantry with nasty RPGs, other tanks, time your health regenerator with the enemies movements, knowing when to do micro-fallbacks and when to assault, keeping the action-pressure constant... welcome to 2011-styled vehicle combat  ;) retreating 300m back to an empty spot and walk out and drill the tank with the holy wrench of universal repair is, as you said, BF2 and earlier game play.
 This is BF3  8)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 23-08-2011, 12:08:57
yeahh, not interested :]
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 23-08-2011, 12:08:43
The more Natty shouts how the game is a gift from god, the more I puke and never want to play it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 23-08-2011, 12:08:57
The more Natty shouts how the game is a gift from god, the more I puke and never want to play it.

+1

Plus I don't like this flood of modern shooters... I mean, it was fun 2 years ago, but now it's time to move on...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 23-08-2011, 12:08:50
+1

In my honest opinion, RO2 will be the game of the year (even with some its minor flaws).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2011, 13:08:40
Lets see if EA fails in this, if EA succeeds, i will defiantly! DEFIANTLY buy it!

Natty

http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-weapons-vehicles-equipment-trung-100768/

Is this the full list of equipment?
Because=
-I see a javelin, but not a russian counterpart (its counterpart would be 9K115-2 Metis-M)
-I see a SMAW but not a russian counterpart
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 23-08-2011, 13:08:12
the thing is I want Javelin
and I don't care 'bout anything else (except  T-90 <3333333333333333333333 )
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 23-08-2011, 13:08:33
Lets see if EA fails in this, if EA succeeds, i will defiantly! DEFIANTLY buy it!

Natty

http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-weapons-vehicles-equipment-trung-100768/

Is this the full list of equipment?
Because=
-I see a javelin, but not a russian counterpart (its counterpart would be 9K115-2 Metis-M)
-I see a SMAW but not a russian counterpart

Im pretty sure all sides will be using the same weapons, and will have access to all.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2011, 13:08:32
Lets see if EA fails in this, if EA succeeds, i will defiantly! DEFIANTLY buy it!

Natty

http://gamerant.com/battlefield-3-weapons-vehicles-equipment-trung-100768/

Is this the full list of equipment?
Because=
-I see a javelin, but not a russian counterpart (its counterpart would be 9K115-2 Metis-M)
-I see a SMAW but not a russian counterpart

Im pretty sure all sides will be using the same weapons, and will have access to all.
soo...

this means US soldiers can spawn with Russian weapons?
Like in call of duty where you can use all nations weapons in MP?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 23-08-2011, 13:08:55
unless it's the base weapon which is dependant on the side
All upgradeable weapons are avaliable for everyone (when you unlock them)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 23-08-2011, 13:08:20
unless it's the base weapon which is dependant on the side
All upgradeable weapons are avaliable for everyone (when you unlock them)

Meaning just like it was in BF2?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2011, 13:08:30
Aaah okay, thats more like it

I was reffering to the Base weapons. Like US troops capable of using AK-74M and Russian ones M16
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 23-08-2011, 20:08:53
Aaah okay, thats more like it

I was reffering to the Base weapons. Like US troops capable of using AK-74M and Russian ones M16

I could see that, but I honestly think it'll probably be the same for everyone. In Bad Company 2 for instance, every soldier starts off with the AK-74 variant, and then progresses upwards. BF3 might be different, but that's what I'm expecting, not faction specific guns.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 23-08-2011, 20:08:56
Aaah okay, thats more like it

I was reffering to the Base weapons. Like US troops capable of using AK-74M and Russian ones M16

I could see that, but I honestly think it'll probably be the same for everyone. In Bad Company 2 for instance, every soldier starts off with the AK-74 variant, and then progresses upwards. BF3 might be different, but that's what I'm expecting, not faction specific guns.

Yeah, me too. But I hope it will be like in BF2.. Faction specific guns for every class and others can be unlocked.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 23-08-2011, 20:08:05
It has been confirmed BF3 will be using a simular kit system as BF2: base weapons are faction locked (m16/m4 etc for US, AKs for RUS) and all unlockable weapons will be available to either side. I'm not sure about the rocket launchers though.

Could also be that Javelin is singleplayer only and just happened to be in the files.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2011, 21:08:21
Well that is Very nice to hear, now i give BF3 a chance again

Because if BF3 dint had faction locked weapons, then No thanks..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eat Uranium on 23-08-2011, 21:08:12
I would have preferred faction locked unlocks too.  Still, at least the basic stuff is covered.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-08-2011, 21:08:29
I am rather dissapoint that you have unlock javelin for both sides yeah. The russian counterpart is so epic, but again american bias.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 26-08-2011, 20:08:05
I pre ordered it today.

It's the first pre order  I've ever made in my life, and I'm not even that hyped for this game (I don't even like modern warfare).
But I was lured with special edition for the price of a regular + free headset, and I was planning to buy it anyway :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 26-08-2011, 21:08:10
What kind of headset?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 26-08-2011, 22:08:24
you get a Jabra bluetooth headset, value of 20 euro
(http://static.bartsmit.com/1303117892/data/products/screenshots/JABRA-bluetooth-headset.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Schneider on 27-08-2011, 00:08:11
The more Natty shouts how the game is a gift from god, the more I puke and never want to play it.

+100

I can't remember the last time I could so fucking intensely relate to another guys post.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: bjack on 01-09-2011, 22:09:51
http://www.bluesnews.com/s/125145/dice-on-releasing-bf3-mod-tools-we-are-considering-it

Well, just to give us a false hope, DICE has teased that there is at least a small chance we will see mod tools.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 01-09-2011, 22:09:26
Haaa I love MW3. ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 01-09-2011, 23:09:52
http://www.bluesnews.com/s/125145/dice-on-releasing-bf3-mod-tools-we-are-considering-it
Well, just to give us a false hope, DICE has teased that there is at least a small chance we will see mod tools.
How exactly is this "different" from any of their previous statements? Game will not ship with mod tools, we might reconsider it, FB engine too hard to mod even for modteams, there's the licencing issue for physics tools, there's the game experience and most importantly, players playing mods will not pay for DLC, ie. dream on.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-09-2011, 23:09:41
The more Natty shouts how the game is a gift from god, the more I puke and never want to play it.

except that I never once have said a single word about how BF3 is... You need to read more carefully what people write on the interwebz before you start rage-puking for no reason  :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 01-09-2011, 23:09:06
Ive figured it out.

Its not that natty has this set opinion and is trying to sell us the game (well you are a bit natty :P), its that has has no opinion at all. Its like talking to a fax machine :D nay, cleverbot!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 02-09-2011, 00:09:46
ofcourse I have opinions. I just don't bother with either pointless fanboyizm, or mindless whine about things I yet don't know.
Im more of a janitor, tidying up the confusions and misconceptions. :P

 I hope BF3 will be fun, and I believe that the very talented people behind it will pull it off. That's all.

Our opinions, are pointless.. 2011.10.25 the game releases, some will like it, some won't. There is nothing more to it than that. No need to quasi-analyze DICEs decision on the interwebz... about as much point as complaining about the weather.
('darn, it didn't have to rain today.. It could just as well have been sunny! if that cloud-system just would have passed 100 miles to the east)  :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 02-09-2011, 00:09:35
Oh of course you didn't. Then just let me rephrase; the more you defend the holy gift of god that is DICE, the more I puke and don't want to buy anything from their workforce ever again.

Counter-argument in 3, 2, 1.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 02-09-2011, 01:09:38
How's people's gaming rigs? I know I need a new rig to be capable of dealing with it (and RO:HoS)
My four year old computer can hold it's ground, but not against those games.

my current
CPU: E8400
2x ATI hd4870 crossfire
8 DDR2 RAM
a crappy MB from Foxconn.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 02-09-2011, 07:09:13
Come on Fuchs, stop trolling an old man.
Anyhow, I'd like to know what you guys think of the EULA that comes with Origin.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield-3/news/6330914/ea-origin-eula-sparks-privacy-concerns
That's the only thing preventing me from a purchase at the moment.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 02-09-2011, 09:09:57
How's people's gaming rigs? I know I need a new rig to be capable of dealing with it (and RO:HoS)
My four year old computer can hold it's ground, but not against those games.

my current
CPU: E8400
2x ATI hd4870 crossfire
8 DDR2 RAM
a crappy MB from Foxconn.

I'd say you'll be able to play RO (albeit without crossfire as it seems right now the game doesn't like it, not that you need it anyways as the 4870 is as strong as the recommended 5770)... Upgrade to a quad core and you're prolly good for BF3 too...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 02-09-2011, 09:09:29
Quote
..."You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services," Section 2 reads...

Quote
...The addition of the "software, software usage" verbiage could be interpreted as including the ability to monitor any installed program, regardless of its provenance. EA's Origin EULA also adds the right for the publisher to share whatever it finds with anyone it chooses...
- http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield-3/news/6330914/ea-origin-eula-sparks-privacy-concerns


Sneaky bastards. I'd like to know how them knowing what's on my HDD is going to help improve "services"... :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 02-09-2011, 09:09:42
The more intrusive spyware they force-feed gamers in the form of DRM and/or digital distribution, the more will acquire their copy from Piratebay instead. Further, any and all copy protections have been cracked or will be cracked, it's just a nuisance that alienates paying customers, nothing more. Of course, if EA Origin is indeed what the EULA claims, that steps way, way over the line.

I really hope someone challenges the provisions of that EULA in a court of law here in Europe - we already have had several cases where a US-written EULA has been declared by a court to be null and void outside the US when it comes to conditions prohibiting reselling, modifying, reverse engineering, etc. Demanding the rights equivalent to a police search warrant in exchange to allow the use of a software is certainly unreasonable. Unfair terms and conditions are automatically voided, so all it takes is one brave individual who can prove that the EA spyware snoops around his computer and takes this to a court, and at least us Euros will probably get a toned-down version of EA Origin as a result.

By the way, how does one differentiate "illegally downloaded material"? There once was a lulzy software that was distributed by the local arm of the copyright mafia, advertised to parents concerned of their children's net usage. What the program did was to simply uninstall all p2p programs (because, you know, torrenting eg. FH2 must be illegal) and then proceed to delete all sound and video files not protected by DRM (this was before even iTunes started selling, whaddyaknow, unprotected mp3's).

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That said, I cannot understand why I should be forced to install bloated spyware on my computer if I purchase a physical disc copy of a game. So far, my honestly purchased Duke Nukem Forever has been laying in my bookshelf because it tries to force-feed me the Steam. Oh well, maybe I'll just download a pirate copy that certainly does not require Steam.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 02-09-2011, 11:09:27
@Fuchs, I lost interest in what you were talking about... what was it again?

@Cannonfodder... don't youhave Steam? Same thing there, it also "spies" on you and informs Steam about what you do and have on your HDD. (ex; what browser you're using etc)

In the old days, you could buy games on some floppy disk, and read directly from them!
In the not-so-old days you could buy games on CDs and install them, and then play
In the last generation you could start downloading games directly to your computer and play.

Now, games are such complex and big services that it isn't enough with just the games, for the companies to manage their customers. That's the reason you need extra applications. You aren't complaining that you need an Operative System, right? Or that you need a Web browser? Same thing here.
You can ofcourse, continue playing old-school games which don't require anything, but then you will miss out on all the cool stuff that new games & gaming services can provide you.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 02-09-2011, 12:09:21
Yes Natty, but why is everyone so up in arms about it?

AFAIK Steam does not have such an extensive wording in it's EULA, restricting it's 'spying' only to programs used by steam and asks you every single time when you share something with it's service.
That's a big difference to the Origin EULA. What happened to the good old account servers and CD-Keys? That's all the info IMHO that a company needs to prevent pirating of it's software. They'd just have to invest a bit more in good CD-Key encryption software and not just print the bloody things in one go with one algorithm...

Anyone who wants the goodies can still access them via webpage. God knows how many web pages I had to register with and how many accounts EA has from me now. Why force an extra program on me that doesn't help with that?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 02-09-2011, 12:09:13
His answer will probaly be=Piracy


The more you attempt to prevent something from being pirate, the More the thing is actually pirated

Like Spore. Remeber how much money EA poured in it to prevent it from being pirated? in 3 days it was the most pirated game ever with 1.5 million times being downloaded illegaly
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 02-09-2011, 12:09:38
What happened to the good old account servers and CD-Keys? That's all the info IMHO that a company needs to prevent pirating of it's software.

Keyword here being "opinion"^ :) But apparently it isn't all the info they need? If so they wouldnt have made Origin... or Im not sure what the discussion is about, really? That EA developes a platform only for the sake of forcing you to install it? I don't see any reason discussing it... If you refuse to get Origin, play other games... Just like you need iTunes if you want to use an iPod... you can get other mp3 players which dont require iTunes. Im sure Apple could also develop the iPod so you can just get it as an external drive and drag n drop tunes to it. But they didnt, they want you to use iTunes, so that's what you need to do if you want to use their products.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 02-09-2011, 12:09:40
@Natty: Yes i do, good thing I don't use it that often.


I see your point, particularly if we're talking online gaming, but I don't agree with not being given the option (short of piracy) to not use these services.

Perfect example is Civilization V, this isn't what you'd consider an online game, yet I'm forced to have Steam running in the background because it won't work without it.

There is no service Steam can provide me for this game, short of automatically patching the game...but then I'm not entirely useless, I can DL patches myself.


As such, my use of this extra application does absolutely nothing for me or my gaming experience, but it gives Valve the opportunity to wave DLC under my nose.


And speaking of DLC, if they couldn't be bothered putting a proper expansion pack together and putting it on a disc, I couldn't be bothered opening my wallet...:P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 02-09-2011, 13:09:57
Keyword here being "opinion"^ :) But apparently it isn't all the info they need? If so they wouldnt have made Origin... or Im not sure what the discussion is about, really? That EA developes a platform only for the sake of forcing you to install it? I don't see any reason discussing it... If you refuse to get Origin, play other games... Just like you need iTunes if you want to use an iPod... you can get other mp3 players which dont require iTunes. Im sure Apple could also develop the iPod so you can just get it as an external drive and drag n drop tunes to it. But they didnt, they want you to use iTunes, so that's what you need to do if you want to use their products.

You are twisting it around.
I would accept a DRM type of program (like Steam), I could live with that (I don't use any of this iCrap on my PC, WinAMP does quite fine on its own). I just mean, why do they have to try to make an extra buck out of my private data when I cash out 50-60€ while buying their game? EA had a Downloader/Online Store for their games, but it failed and now they are forcing it on me because of their buisness plan.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for competition in a free market and someone has to come in to break steams monopoly, BUT WHY do they need that special passage in their EULA? I want to play and enjoy their game without having to think about what they are reading and scanning in my private files. Yes they say they will only give them away anonymised, but it's already bad that they have my data.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 02-09-2011, 13:09:44
What else happens with your scanned data? Will they delete accounts because users have "suspicious" software, such as P2P programs or programs that can create ISO files that could be used to pirate software? There´s no way to find out what´s going to happen with your data and that´s pretty dangerous.
Another thing that makes Origin pretty unalluring is that you need to be online all the time. Steam atleast has an offline mode, but you can´t play BF 3 (not even the singleplayer mode) without an internet connection.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 02-09-2011, 13:09:52
In the old days, you could buy games on some floppy disk, and read directly from them!
In the not-so-old days you could buy games on CDs and install them, and then play
In the last generation you could start downloading games directly to your computer and play.

Now, games are such complex and big services that it isn't enough with just the games, for the companies to manage their customers. That's the reason you need extra applications. You aren't complaining that you need an Operative System, right? Or that you need a Web browser? Same thing here.
You can ofcourse, continue playing old-school games which don't require anything, but then you will miss out on all the cool stuff that new games & gaming services can provide you.
Ha ha ha.

I wonder why the very same "cool" games can be played on consoles? Also, at least I can choose my web browser and I certainly wouldn't use one that scans my hard drive for "inappropriate" content. Likewise, an operating system would certainly not be allowed to send a report of your computer's contents to anyone, whether you gave a "permission" for that or not. What exactly is this "cool stuff" that could not be implemented with a combination of in-game menus and web browser? I have not seen that in any games yet and don't expect to see one in my lifetime. Downloading updates? Entirely possible to do that in-game. Downloading extra content? Entirely possible to do that in-game as well. Integration with social media? Entirely possible to do that in-game or with game-launched browser session. Charging customers for even the tiniest piece of new content, eventually even updates, and making everything pay-to-play? Yes, for that a new platform is useful. Making it impossible for customers to play an older title when a new title in a franchise is released? Yes, for that "experience" an external application is also very useful. Revoking license for bought games if a single pirated title is found on the computer? Yes, for that an external application is also very useful.

"Managing customers" is thinly veiled excuse for "spying customers so we can target them with commercials and/or tell about them to copyright organizations for a reward". The most appalling thing is that EA already got caught once for the former, got punished, and now they're trying it again? Like I said, US-written EULA is only good for toilet paper in the EU, from a consumer point of view it is unreasonable if a game starts to track what websites I visit, what music I have stored on my computer, etc. Not only is it unnecessary, but it violates privacy in a way that cannot be justified.

The abominable iPod & iTunes combo is a good example of how separate applications are not required except for marketing purposes, intrusion of privacy and censorship. Most other MP3 players do appear as regular USB memory sticks, if proprietary software is not used, and they work very well nevertheless. Somehow, most other webstores also can sell music without installing anything on your computer. But then again, we're talking about Apple here - I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation of Macs would be forced to use AppStore. That would be only logical and historically in line, because free software development and release for the Mac is a recent phenomenon anyway (which is also one of the main reasons why "IBM compatibles" came to dominate the personal computer market since the 1980's will do so for the foreseeable future).

The only kind of digital distribution channel that I approve of is the way Good Old Games are selling games - there's no DRM and no mandatory spyware involved.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 02-09-2011, 14:09:36
Impressive post Kelmola, I fully agree with you.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 02-09-2011, 14:09:32
the EULA may be reworded now, but my BF3 preorder still hangs in the balance. The last thing I want to do is to pay for spam and other such bs while EA makes a tidy buck on my details.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eat Uranium on 02-09-2011, 15:09:55
the EULA may be reworded now, but my BF3 preorder still hangs in the balance. The last thing I want to do is to pay for spam and other such bs while EA makes a tidy buck on my details.
As does mine.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 02-09-2011, 15:09:35
The more I see the things shoved down the throats of players excited to play BF3, like said EULA, having to use Origin, having to use battlelog and etc., the more I am revolted and pushed away from purchasing BF3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 02-09-2011, 15:09:31
So... many.... posts... with
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@LuckyOne. Yeah new quad would have been fine, but my MB is not capable of it. I am moving out of the house anyway, leaving the computer. I think I will buy a gaming laptop.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Knitschi on 02-09-2011, 15:09:54
If the EULA doesn't get changed it is no BF3 for me.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 02-09-2011, 15:09:16
Here is a great article from RockPaperShotgun.com which highlights the differences between the Steam EULA and what EA has planned:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/

Creepy.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 02-09-2011, 16:09:25
Here is a great article from RockPaperShotgun.com which highlights the differences between the Steam EULA and what EA has planned:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/

Creepy.
That is SICK. Why, god! Why is DICE under EA? EA just show their true face with that
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 02-09-2011, 20:09:20
O come on, you guys will buy it anyway. You dont give a crap about the privacy and just go with the flow. Atleast mister Natty seems to know whats going on, and Kelmola takes an impressive stance.
Im just here for the ride.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 02-09-2011, 20:09:30
I think the usage of said rights is far different than what people make it out to be. Just as when Google collects information on what websites you visit, and what products you search when you visit those websites. Google AdSense will then display advertisements based around that collected information. For instance I bought a power supply, and later that same day it was advertised by AdSense to me on every webpage I visited.

I don't think Origin will be much different. Origin sounds like Steam in all way shape and form. Just as games like Empire Total War are entirely reliant on Steam to run, so too won't future titles from EA, but that does not mean that Origin will be strictly limited to just EA products, I'm sure, like Steam, Origin will sell games from a wide range of publishers.

The idea is that they collect information about the software on your computer, the websites you visit, and then sift through them to find out which services and products involving gaming appeal to you most. So say I had then entire Battlefield franchise (except for 3) installed on my PC. Well then when I open Origin, I might expect it to display Battlefield 3 advertisements to get my attention to buy that game, because it thinks I have interest in that series.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 02-09-2011, 20:09:39
I know i won't. I do care about privacy.
Guess Im weird or something.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 03-09-2011, 10:09:10
O come on, you guys will buy it anyway...
Already have, doesn't mean I have to install it though... ;)



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...And then even more creepily, they say they intend to take such information, combine it with personal information about you, and use it to advertise directly to you...

 - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/


I wonder what we get in exchange for giving them that right? Oh I know, it must be the privilege of using a product we've already paid for... ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 03-09-2011, 10:09:45
I think the usage of said rights is far different than what people make it out to be. Just as when Google collects information on what websites you visit, and what products you search when you visit those websites. Google AdSense will then display advertisements based around that collected information. For instance I bought a power supply, and later that same day it was advertised by AdSense to me on every webpage I visited.

Well yes, but here you can choose to use programs that prevent this (NoScript, AdBlocker et. all just to name a few) and you can delete your cookies... with origin you can only choose to play BF3 or not.
For me that equates to blackmail.

I don't think Origin will be much different. Origin sounds like Steam in all way shape and form. Just as games like Empire Total War are entirely reliant on Steam to run, so too won't future titles from EA, but that does not mean that Origin will be strictly limited to just EA products, I'm sure, like Steam, Origin will sell games from a wide range of publishers.

Steam at least lets you choose when you take part in a 'survey' and only monitors the programs you have in Steam and no where else. That is a huge difference to origins live monitoring as it is laid out in the EULA.

The idea is that they collect information about the software on your computer, the websites you visit, and then sift through them to find out which services and products involving gaming appeal to you most. So say I had then entire Battlefield franchise (except for 3) installed on my PC. Well then when I open Origin, I might expect it to display Battlefield 3 advertisements to get my attention to buy that game, because it thinks I have interest in that series.

Well again, they will/cannot only advertise you stuff that concerns them, but could also do that for other products. Like free porn and heart ache pills, depending on how your emails read out for them. ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 03-09-2011, 14:09:21
I still think you are over reacting, many companies gather information about their customers. Supermarkets do surveys, phone service desks record your calls, companies higher analysts to ponder over thousands of documents of collected data to have trends pointed out, this evil EULA is no different, and most likely you have already agreed to similar rights in previous EA titles you've purchased.

Its data collection for profit gain. EA wants to know what games I have installed on my computer? Fine, whatever, as long as I get to play Battlefield 3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hitm4k3r on 03-09-2011, 15:09:53
Another thing, that most people don't realize that much IMO and the more important problem: things, that are written in an EULA and what is done in reality are two different things. I am not a friend of stystems like Steam or Origin, because I have no real view about, what kind of information are messaged and how much. Ofcourse Steam can pretend to be nice and ask for permission. But do we really know, what they are doing? Who controlls it, whether they accept the privacy and play by the rules? History tells something different concerning this topic and I think, this will never change. Sadly I need Steam to play RO/DH, an experience I don't want to miss, but when I don't play it I switch off Steam. People who want to play BF3 will take this anyway, but for me it always will be a negative point. I won't buy BF3, because it offers me nothing special or new (besides shiny graphics and fantastic sounds). But my decision is not dependent, whether they use Origin or not. When I play the game, I stiwch it on, when not - I switch it off. Nevertheless it is still negative and I am a littlebit worried concerning the privacy. I simlpy don't want anybody to scan my PC, because it is a part of my privacy. So to say: "I don't care about it" - is a littlebit strange. :-\
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 03-09-2011, 15:09:37
I am not a friend of stystems like Steam or Origin, because I have no real view about, what kind of information are messaged and how much. Ofcourse Steam can pretend to be nice and ask for permission. But do we really know, what they are doing? Who controlls it, whether they accept the privacy and play by the rules?
Illuminati. And the lizard-people.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Gezoes on 03-09-2011, 16:09:46
It's the 'well, what do you have to hide'? principle. But that's the world upside down, so that doesn't fly.

It's nasty but for such a big title, we'll probably get it anyway. Don't like this 'shove it down your throat' blackmail policy, more minus points for DICE/EA. Suits and $$$ at work, bet the dev's don't like it either. It's handy to know hardware and rigs, but why this total Borg attitude. That's just wrong.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 03-09-2011, 17:09:05
If this shit doesn't change, I won't buy it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 03-09-2011, 22:09:03
Hahaha all the privacy lovers that are playing BF2  ;D Go read the Punkbuster EULA and then come back here and we will talk some more. And stop using Google while you are at it.

If you can live with PB scanning your RAM, your Application data and what have you, you can live with Origin doing the same.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 03-09-2011, 23:09:30
Well yes it scans you RAM and active processes, but:
Quote
Is PunkBuster a spyware?
PunkBuster does not collect or maintain any personally identifiable information regarding players. It does not track web surfing habits or log instant messaging conversations either.
Any information that the PunkBuster client uses is mangled in a one way hash so that upon transmission it is completely meaningless.

Source: http://etui.kashu.fr/punkbuster.html

Origin does this as well, but sends the data to EA, where they only state that they will sell your data anonymised, not that they collect it without personal information. Quite an open EULA wording if you ask me. And you can run BF2 without punkbuster contrary to BF3 without Origin.

But hell what do I know...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 04-09-2011, 00:09:33
Part 1

"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services."

Nothing revolutionary here, a bunch of programs do this, and a lot of games too. They want to know what my IP address is, what sort of system, including hardware identification that im running, they want to know which pieces of software I have installed so they can then market to me better, and they want to know which software I use most. All of this is designed to help them advertise to me, provide support such as technical support, where an EA representative might be able to easily identify my system and help me troubleshoot, to know where things go so that the program can effectively update, and other such things. Nothing disgusting here, its all typical.

Part 2

"EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you."

This part is just telling me what all other Electronic Arts EULA's tell me. When I register with Origin I am giving them my name, address, and other types of personal information to be a part of it. They will then use this information to send me magazine subscriptions, news letters, coupons, or more likely, emails.

The other sentence tells me that they want to be able to share this information with their third party providers, since there is a lot of hands that go into making these games. But the info shared with them wont be personally identifiable, which means I wont be getting advertising from a million different companies. Again, nothing here that's privacy obstructing in any way.

Part 3

"IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

This is telling me to say no if I don't want Origin to collect data, but, if I do agree, then all the information collected abides by the Electronic Arts Privacy Policy on their primary page, and if any information is collected which violates that Privacy Policy, then it shall be the ruling document on the proceedings. The EA Privacy Policy is again, something you've already agreed to elsewhere most likely, and again, there is nothing here that seems out of line.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-09-2011, 07:09:27
This is telling me to say no if I don't want Origin to collect data, but, if I do agree, then all the information collected abides by the Electronic Arts Privacy Policy on their primary page, and if any information is collected which violates that Privacy Policy, then it shall be the ruling document on the proceedings. The EA Privacy Policy is again, something you've already agreed to elsewhere most likely, and again, there is nothing here that seems out of line.

Not only to say no, but not to use their product.
True, but the data collected, which they didn't do before to this extent, is still collected in this invasive way. And sold for marketing purposes all in accord with EA's second policy which isn't a contract with you and which can be changed without your consent.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 04-09-2011, 14:09:39
This is telling me to say no if I don't want Origin to collect data, but, if I do agree, then all the information collected abides by the Electronic Arts Privacy Policy on their primary page, and if any information is collected which violates that Privacy Policy, then it shall be the ruling document on the proceedings. The EA Privacy Policy is again, something you've already agreed to elsewhere most likely, and again, there is nothing here that seems out of line.

Not only to say no, but not to use their product.
True, but the data collected, which they didn't do before to this extent, is still collected in this invasive way. And sold for marketing purposes all in accord with EA's second policy which isn't a contract with you and which can be changed without your consent.

I still don't get what your getting at, if I say no to any EULA for any game it wont let me install it. How is this any different than any of those? "To this extent"? Programs have been gathering information like this for ages.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-09-2011, 14:09:32
I was hinting at the EULA for Punkbuster, you can run the game without punkbuster, but not without Origin.

Which game/program do you know, that check your browser history, your Registry/mails and who knows what else and then sends them home to the respective company?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 04-09-2011, 14:09:28
I was hinting at the EULA for Punkbuster, you can run the game without punkbuster, but not without Origin.

Which game/program do you know, that check your browser history, your Registry/mails and who knows what else and then sends them home to the respective company?

Like, its not that I like the idea of needing Origin to run the game, but I fail to see how what you are agreeing to is so terrible.

Just because it says it will collect data, doesn't mean it specifies how. Just as when you sign up for something like Playstation Network or Xbox Live you need to give them your personal information, I don't doubt that Origin will be any different.

Where did it say that they can check your emails? Your just becoming paranoid and finding ridiculous things for it to collect, it says no where that Origin is going to steal your passwords, login into your Email and read them. Browser history? There are plenty of programs, like Google AdSense (that even though you can block it with 3rd party software) collect that information and use it for advertising, Facebook, and plenty of other websites do this. There is nothing revolutionary here, and nothing you havn't agreed to elsewhere.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-09-2011, 15:09:11
Adsense runs on homepages that you browse to and which you can effectively prevent from tracking you.
Origin runs on your PC. That's the main difference here.

The EULA is very open as to what they will be 'evaluating'. I just want to raise some peoples conscience here that you are getting a bit more with your candy (BF3) than just 'another' Steam-like platform.
The bit with the mails was exaggerated of course, but that's what will come next. Yahoo has gone that step last month, just like Google-mail does as well. (both programs, that I would never want to use for anything important!)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 04-09-2011, 15:09:01
Adsense runs on homepages that you browse to and which you can effectively prevent from tracking you.
Origin runs on your PC. That's the main difference here.

The EULA is very open as to what they will be 'evaluating'. I just want to raise some peoples conscience here that you are getting a bit more with your candy (BF3) than just 'another' Steam-like platform.
The bit with the mails was exaggerated of course, but that's what will come next. Yahoo has gone that step last month, just like Google-mail does as well. (both programs, that I would never want to use for anything important!)

It really sounds to me like your blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. I read the EA Privacy Policy and this supposed evil clause and see no reason to be angry at Electronic Arts. There is simply nothing included in them that I have not agreed to a hundred different times.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-09-2011, 17:09:53
I'm just concerned. I mean why would big gaming-sites and IT-News-sites report about it if it were so commonplace and usual?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DaWorg! on 04-09-2011, 17:09:41
Next will be cars, which will track where are you going with them to better advertise to you shops along the way to your work   ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-09-2011, 19:09:11
Next will be cars, which will track where are you going with them to better advertise to you shops along the way to your work   ;D

They've already gone there. When you use Google Latitude on your Android Smartphone you are giving Google the possibility and rights to do just that. ;)

Anyhow, I'd still like to know why the news-sites featured it so predominantly when it's something usual and not new?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 04-09-2011, 20:09:18
Well yes it scans you RAM and active processes, but:
Quote
Is PunkBuster a spyware?
PunkBuster does not collect or maintain any personally identifiable information regarding players. It does not track web surfing habits or log instant messaging conversations either.
Any information that the PunkBuster client uses is mangled in a one way hash so that upon transmission it is completely meaningless.

Source: http://etui.kashu.fr/punkbuster.html

Origin does this as well, but sends the data to EA, where they only state that they will sell your data anonymised, not that they collect it without personal information. Quite an open EULA wording if you ask me. And you can run BF2 without punkbuster contrary to BF3 without Origin.

But hell what do I know...

My dear reporter, at least EA is up front with what they are going to do and how they are going to do it. Punkbuster I have to believe on their "pretty blue eyes". Just like Google claims to do "No evil"

Know this, the moment you plug your PC/Smartphone/tablet on the Internet there is no such thing as privacy.
Google know the stuff you are doing, FB or other social media sites knows a shit load of things about you and even in forums like this I can find lots of personal details about people. And let's not forget the thousands of trojans out there waiting to infect your PC.

The point is that armed with this knowledge you must think about how much you are will to divulge of yourself. You think your computer is personal? Then think about the amount of personal details that you are sharing everyday on the Web, willingly and unwillingly.

And don't take it personal it just that suddenly everybody is screaming blood hell and murder on various fora, while in their signature I see their XBox live tag, PSN ID and Facebook link. It just facepalms me to think about it  :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 04-09-2011, 21:09:09
So it's just me and my outdated feeling for privacy?
As I stated before, what information you give away online is clear and somewhat under your control.
Now I personally am just a bit reserved about giving away that bit of control as well. I really looked forward to BF3 but this is still a pain in my side...

I don't think that a software like PB would have survived as long as it did if they'd really not stick to the MD5hash feedback. Especially as they aren't as 'up front about it' as EA. ;D

Is it really just me having problems with that? I guess I'll just set up a new System for BF3 on a SSD.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 05-09-2011, 10:09:15
No no you're feelings for privacy is correct, only your notion that Origin is more "evil" then the current applications that you have is misguided in mine opion.
But let's contest this when the game is out, if it really scans all your installed software, upload all your files in My Document, My pictures, etc, to EA, it truly will be evil  :).

Like I wrote earlier, if you have private, sensitive data that you do not want to share with the world, please do not put it on a PC connected to Internet or at least be aware the things do get hacked.

LUZSec showed how anoying this can get with the PSN hack. If tommorow someone would hack PB, they would have a nice way to get access to millions of PC's.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 05-09-2011, 14:09:51
Ah well, I bought a SSD today and I'm going to set up a nice clean system for BF3's beta now.
Not a solution for people with little money, but I always wanted to try a SSD based system, so this is the perfect pretext. ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 05-09-2011, 17:09:28
After I replaced my laptop HDD with SSD, it's become faster than my desktop at certain things, like opening windows (~20sec) and programs, also tasks which require a lotr of I/O obviously.
Ex:
My laptop was faster at converting open street maps to a format my map app could read. France was 1.2gb, Germany 890mb. Laptop converted France in ~20h, desktop converted Germany in ~26h.

Laptop has 1.3GHz Core2 Duo & 4GB 1066MHz DDR, desktop has 3GHz AMD Athlon II triple core & 8GB 1333MHz DDR.

When I installed win7 from a usb-stick it took 12 minutes ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Alakazou on 05-09-2011, 20:09:31
Ah well, I bought a SSD today and I'm going to set up a nice clean system for BF3's beta now.
Not a solution for people with little money, but I always wanted to try a SSD based system, so this is the perfect pretext. ^^

I love my SSD when I use it with FH2 :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 06-09-2011, 16:09:34
After I replaced my laptop HDD with SSD, it's become faster than my desktop at certain things, like opening windows (~20sec) and programs, also tasks which require a lotr of I/O obviously.
Ex:
My laptop was faster at converting open street maps to a format my map app could read. France was 1.2gb, Germany 890mb. Laptop converted France in ~20h, desktop converted Germany in ~26h.

Laptop has 1.3GHz Core2 Duo & 4GB 1066MHz DDR, desktop has 3GHz AMD Athlon II triple core & 8GB 1333MHz DDR.

When I installed win7 from a usb-stick it took 12 minutes ;D

Hey that's sound great Paasky which one did you buy and how large is it. I've never tinkered around with a laptop before, is it easy to replace the HDD?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 06-09-2011, 16:09:29
Hey that's sound great Paasky which one did you buy and how large is it. I've never tinkered around with a laptop before, is it easy to replace the HDD?

Since I've just bought one, I'll take over if it's ok. :)
You can get a nice and fast (ranked 6. OCZ-VERTEX 2) SSD from OCZ with 120GB for 144€.
Replacing HDDs in Laptops is a dream (I do it quite often at work), just unscrew the cover and pull it out. The SATA Connectors only allow one way to be plugged in, so you can't really do anything wrong at that bit. :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 06-09-2011, 17:09:04
Mine is a 96 GB Kingston SSDnow v100+, got it for 104 € IIRC.

If you also buy a USB-SATA cable you can use your old HDD as an external movie/picture/music drive ;) I bought this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2-0-to-sata-adapter-cable-for-2-5-sata-hdd-80cm-cable-37385 Payed with PayPal and it arrived about 2 weeks later, works perfectly. You might want to dish out a bit extra for this though http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dual-usb-to-sata-adapter-cable-with-2-5-plastic-sata-hdd-case-29984

I made my HDD case with my dad from old plywood ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 06-09-2011, 19:09:29
Hmm this sounds very interesting. I'll have to check which drive is faster, Paasky's or Reporter's
Next question, did you guys migrate the OS and data to the new drive or just went for a fresh install ?
Nevermind the question, I found a site with a good explanation --> http://blog.laptopmag.com/help-me-laptop-how-do-i-move-windows-7-to-my-new-ssd

And good tip on the SATA to USB cable, at least I will have a cheap external disk that way.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: siben on 06-09-2011, 19:09:28
A bit of topic, but buy something like this:

http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/2729631/art/freecom/extern-dockingstation-har.html

You connect it with USB and just stick your HDD in, some models take multiple and even laptop hard drives.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 06-09-2011, 20:09:54
I've got an Esata port, but unfortunately you can't get faster speed using Esata.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Stefan on 06-09-2011, 21:09:13
note i wouldnt use SSD without WIN7 cause of trim support, and fresh install does wonders.

personally installed several intel 320 series SATA2 drives, all run flawless and fast.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 07-09-2011, 00:09:35
I made a fresh install, and had all of my data ready on my new external drive ;) But I did also move all the music/pictures/documents/savegames onto my desktop, then formatted the old HDD. I also inserted a 16gb SD-card I had into the card reader as my music drive, so in effect I constantly have 96+16gb disk space + my external drive for movies & as my backup drive for important stuff.

My laptop doesn't have a dvd-drive, so I had to download a win7 home premium torrent, extracted the image onto a usb-stick and just used the product key under my laptop. It took about an hour to install win7, sp1 & drivers. Usually that takes about 2-3h :)

If you do get a sata-usb thing, make sure it has both the data & power coming from the usb, it's really annoying if you need a separate power supply as usb has enough power to operate a laptop hdd.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 07-09-2011, 07:09:40
Oh by the way, if you are planing on using the SSD as your main system disc, think about redirecting your User folder to another HDD. Having it on your SSD will lead to it's quicker demise since SSD's only have a certain number of read/write operations before they die. They have a limited number of P/E cycles. Also don't forget to switch off Win7's auto defragmentation, as this also has an effect on the P/E cycles.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Stefan on 08-09-2011, 01:09:53
Oh by the way, if you are planing on using the SSD as your main system disc, think about redirecting your User folder to another HDD. Having it on your SSD will lead to it's quicker demise since SSD's only have a certain number of read/write operations before they die. They have a limited number of P/E cycles. Also don't forget to switch off Win7's auto defragmentation, as this also has an effect on the P/E cycles.

add temp folder and page file also to the list.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 08-09-2011, 14:09:20
Oh by the way, if you are planing on using the SSD as your main system disc, think about redirecting your User folder to another HDD. Having it on your SSD will lead to it's quicker demise since SSD's only have a certain number of read/write operations before they die. They have a limited number of P/E cycles. Also don't forget to switch off Win7's auto defragmentation, as this also has an effect on the P/E cycles.

This is good practice even without having a SSD. I try to keep my system drive as small as possible. I am currently trying to find how I can see if my Esata port is powered. Like Paasky said I don't want to have another power cable.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 09-09-2011, 20:09:47
Night map:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5eLbPQt_Pk&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5eLbPQt_Pk&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 09-09-2011, 21:09:37
Singleplayer though. Would be cool to have a MP night map, the lighting engine will reallly shine.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 09-09-2011, 21:09:18
It looks beautiful and life-like, no question about that. It'll be interesting to see how it plays when they release a demo, and let's hope this Origin ordeal isn't as bad as it sounds at the moment.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Zeno on 20-09-2011, 22:09:25
so beta is comming 29 september, anyone ready?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 21-09-2011, 00:09:57
I probably wont be able to run it well, but I will be playing the beta.  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 21-09-2011, 08:09:51
No conquest map in the beta? Are they kidding me?!  ???
The CQ was just a PR gag to get all the preorders of the BF2 fanbase...  :'(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 21-09-2011, 10:09:37
I hope that doesn't mean what I think it means...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 21-09-2011, 11:09:28
Won´t be able to run it, don´t want to bother with Origin, don´t care about modern warfare-pimp-your-gun-stuff, no 64- player Conquest maps and basically the Alpha with a new name: No thanks.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 21-09-2011, 11:09:55
they dont need to run 64 players maps to test their game, 32 does just fine, testing server stabilities etc.

64p on one map wouldnt help in balancing/design purposes.. they handle that fine by themselves.. beta is mostly for stabiliy/connection issues, where 32 works just as fine.

beta is not for you to play and have fun. it's a last check before release.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 21-09-2011, 12:09:18
True, but since there is no sign of a Demo for BF3, it would have been nice to see if this aspect of the game lives up to what it promises.

Forgive me, but I don't take comments made by payed news-sites and devs for face value any more. I've been disappointed way past that sentiment.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 21-09-2011, 12:09:07
I think it is a bit disappointing there wont be a true 64 conquest map in the public beta, since, that's one of these figure head features they are championing. However, I'm excited to play regardless of the match size or game type, I wanna know how BF3 is going to play out.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-09-2011, 12:09:13


Forgive me, but I don't take comments made by payed news-sites and devs for face value any more. I've been disappointed way past that sentiment.
Seconded...

Homefront...
remeber mothafailing homefront
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 21-09-2011, 13:09:26
they dont need to run 64 players maps to test their game, 32 does just fine, testing server stabilities etc.

64p on one map wouldnt help in balancing/design purposes.. they handle that fine by themselves.. beta is mostly for stabiliy/connection issues, where 32 works just as fine.

Yeah, that's probably what RO 2 guys thought, too. Look what happened to them...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 21-09-2011, 13:09:06
they dont need to run 64 players maps to test their game, 32 does just fine, testing server stabilities etc.

64p on one map wouldnt help in balancing/design purposes.. they handle that fine by themselves.. beta is mostly for stabiliy/connection issues, where 32 works just as fine.

Yeah, that's probably what RO 2 guys thought, too. Look what happened to them...
^THIS
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 21-09-2011, 14:09:20
The only thing that needs to be stress tested is the front end. Of all the previous BF games I haven't had any problems with instability when playing. The problem was mostly related to the account servers, friend lists and server browsers.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 21-09-2011, 15:09:02
Im pretty sure someone said the Caspian Border map was going in aswell.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 21-09-2011, 16:09:18
The only thing that needs to be stress tested is the front end.

hehe, not really... there's quite a lot of things that gamers arent aware of, that needs testing.Things you don't see as a player.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 21-09-2011, 17:09:58
Im pretty sure someone said the Caspian Border map was going in aswell.

Quote
I SEE THERE ARE SERVERS UP FOR A SECOND MAP ON PC. CAN I ACCESS AND PLAY THIS MAP?

No. THIS MAP IS ONLY FOR INTERNAL BACK-END TESTS.

From the official BF3 Beta FAQ (http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield3/1/beta). So Op Metro only, no other maps.




And a statement by zh1nt0, DICEs community manager about why they chose Op Metro and its game mode:
Quote
Stepping a bit further into development and closer to launch, this is a very good way for us to try out all the bits and pieces we have added in and changed since the Alpha.

The Alpha was very important from a server side of view. Now we´re in Beta. Not only does the server side need to be tested but also the complete game client.
What this means is that we pick one map:

Metro: We have already showed this map and made some big changes to it to enhance gameplay as well as get it more fluent than in the Alpha.

Lots of new things have been added in closer to launch. Our rank progression system as well as customizations have made their way into the beta and it´s very important for us to test these things before we launch.

That is the purpose of the Beta as well as combining it with Battlelog and all of the features there.

If you feel that this isn´t the right map for you, then perhaps we don´t really agree on what maps we want to see. Other than that, I do hope people will have a great time playing it and will enjoy the Beta smile.gif

Oh, I also think it´s kind off odd, that TWI managed to get all of their maps into their 2 weeksBeta, so people could try them out and find bugs and performance issues, yet DICE doesn´t want that/isn´t able to do that. o0
So, it´s basically more a "battlelog" Beta than a gameplay Beta, right?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 22-09-2011, 10:09:06
It is announced as Beta, but the public will pick it up as a demo and treat it as such.
For me this is about getting a first look at the gameplay,engine and let's not forget the sounds!

By the way no bombs on jets. Only rockets, don't know if there are air to ground missiles.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 26-09-2011, 15:09:45
One of the cheapest sites I've found: BF3 is only 24 euros and the limited edition is 29.
link (http://www.cjs-cdkeys.com/search.php?mode=1&search_query_adv=battlefield+3&brand=11&searchsubs=ON&price_from=20&price_to=30&featured=&shipping=1)

Site might look a bit spoofy but guys checked at the EA chat and it has been confirmed that it works safely. It gives you a code you can then verify on Origin.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-09-2011, 15:09:58
From what i have heard, these guys purchase CD keys in Gigantic amounts in one time, thus the low price.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 26-09-2011, 16:09:35
By the way no bombs on jets. Only rockets, don't know if there are air to ground missiles.

This might have been a mix-up, because now they're saying that jets will not have dumb bombs. So it's not definitive: they might have smart bombs (which will need lazes from infantry) by standard layout, or you need to use a special unlock/perk to carry LG bombs, or they're simply talking about the ground attack aircraft.

Either way, the jets seem to have been completely overhauled compared to BF2's system which IMO seems to be great. We'll have to just wait and see for the final results.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-09-2011, 16:09:14
I hope so, you have to admit planes in BF2 where OP. AA defenses where weak....
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 26-09-2011, 16:09:34
Oh, I also think it´s kind off odd, that TWI managed to get all of their maps into their 2 weeksBeta, so people could try them out and find bugs and performance issues, yet DICE doesn´t want that/isn´t able to do that. o0
So, it´s basically more a "battlelog" Beta than a gameplay Beta, right?

right. DICE doesnt need much "game play beta" allthough it's good to see public behaviour. Mostly beta's is stability, connectivity etc.. things that players dont really understand.. it's a way of testing what the system can handle and not handle.

RO2 is a tiny little game compared to the frostbite/BF3/battlelog system, you cant compare the two at all.... If dice needed to test all their maps in public before release, they would.
Keep in mind we live in D2C (Direct-to-consumer) times now, meaning, a game can be patched virtually every day since the automated updaters will send you data eachtime you start the game, so any issues regarding gameplay or so can be fixed on-the-fly.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hslan.Grim on 26-09-2011, 17:09:13
As long as planes don't have OP rockets I am happy
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: HadrianBT on 27-09-2011, 00:09:19
Well, the jets were very powerful in BF2, but they should be so. And their spawnrate was about two times slower than that for armor and APC. So when you die, you had to wait double the time plus stand among many other seagulls shouting "Mine!" :)

Also, it was the more rewarding when you get a jet down with a crappy stationary AA. You just need to be smart (hide nearby and jump in only when you know the jet is already passing by, launch the missles and hide again).

The only problem I have with flight physics of BF2 - helicopter barrel rolls. Which are not possible in real life. Although, I have to admit, they were extremely effective when dodging TV missles. And then, even PR had this unrealistic feature...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 27-09-2011, 00:09:57
It is possible. Just ask Turkey.  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: HadrianBT on 27-09-2011, 01:09:35
Turkey? And there is absolutely no aerodynamic moment to keep a heli in air when it is tilted 90 degrees.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 27-09-2011, 02:09:58
Turkey? And there is absolutely no aerodynamic moment to keep a heli in air when it is tilted 90 degrees.

Explain those then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413EyCwUDCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qCjs-AzXs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us18o7qOXjI&feature=related

It is very possible IRL...  (Not with every helicopter though)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: HadrianBT on 27-09-2011, 05:09:40
Nice, videos, thanks. Ok, Lynx and Red Bull helicopters can do a barrel roll (I have seen the one with Lynx about a year ago). Apache did a loop only, which I was not arguing about (thus the third video is not applicable), as well as most common attack helicopters I know.

There is just too little momentum for a helicopter to do a barrel roll. You need to have enough speed to do that, so very agile lightweight helicopters should be fine, i.e. littlebird etc, but not the heavier ones.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 27-09-2011, 09:09:52
Those choppers were performing aileron rolls and loops. No barrel rolls in sight. And as much I would like to ask HadrianBT to give us some concrete evidence to back up his claim, I must remind you that this is a Battlefield 3 thread.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 27-09-2011, 09:09:12
The Ground-to-air game play is alot better in BFP4F than in BF2... Why is that relevant to BF3? I dont know!  :o But maybe because 2005 and 2011 is 6 years in between, 6 years of progress in design, technology, art, maybe DICE and EA is better at making games now, than in 2005? omg, what a revelation! Maybe it could even be applied to other speculations and comparisons between a 2005 game and a 2011 game, who knows ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 27-09-2011, 16:09:44
Relax Natty, people are actually positive about these little tidbits of news. Time for me to go home, check if my Beta key is in the mail and rock on in Paris  ;D

Don't forget, if you are participating in the Beta, there are drivers out from NVIDIA and AMD that boost performance in BF3, or so they claim:

NVIDIA: http://www.geforce.com/Drivers/Beta (http://www.geforce.com/Drivers/Beta)

AMD: http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDCatalyst1110Previewdriver.aspx (http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDCatalyst1110Previewdriver.aspx)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [ret]azreal on 27-09-2011, 18:09:00
Just got my beta key after coming back from class! So excited to start playing.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 28-09-2011, 08:09:52
This game is way too noobified...sniper glint like a flash light attached to their scopes that can be seen from everywhere. Derp spotting (3d spotting) acts like a wallhack following everyone, even through bushes and rocks. You have a squad leader that doesnt do anything special just to call airstrikes and that's it. Everyone can spawn in everyone like BC2 (a fail system). Bullet damage is way too high, way too high. The recon has a mobile spawn, where the enemy can automatically spawn behind your back and nobody notices it because it's too goddamn small and people dont even know what it is.

And they even removed the LAV-25 from the map, and their promise of "everything unlockable" was a lie. The mortar for example cant be unlocked.

Also, the killcam is the worst thing to come to BF, after derp spotting. I dont have high hopes for this game yet. The community has way too long said this things to DICE and they stubbornly dont listen, they prefer to attract the noob and cod community.

And I dont think we will ever get mod tools, so prepare for a massive dissapointment with this game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 28-09-2011, 09:09:44
It's still quite rough and with 1 Month left before they plan on releasing this game, I'm a bit set back.
-The animations look like they've been ripped directly from other Dice games, namely Mirror's Edge, where every small ledge you try to jump over results in a full-out joust over said ledge (most of the times, sometimes the collisions do register and make you climb over it).

-Collisions still feel a bit odd and the destruction 2.0 is rather a step back from BC2, the scripted bits falling off of walls and stiff tree physics are more apparent than ever before.

- Textures are ok, but (IMHO) you can see that the details were toned down to run on the consoles. (I'm playing with everything on high and it still looks a bit worse than BC2 (which is strange, as that was also made with Consoles in mind)

- The gameplay feels like BC2 on speed which is almost too fast for my taste.

- Origin.... oh my god Origin... now DICE is innocent on this part, but by god, how can you fuck around and produce a program like this? It is everything but consumer friendly... You have to start Origin, then press start BF3 there, then your browser opens and you can choose a server via battlelog, then Origin starts again and loads up BF3 and then the browser tells you that the game is ready to play and you can finally join up the game from there (if it doesn't decide to drop you into some Queue in the last second.  ;D

- Oh and the worst bit of BC2 is back for more... you still can't open the score tab and the options while being dead! I like to change my keys and view my score while being dead, not while someone can still shoot at me. Also you can't exit the game, you always have to wait to respawn to disconnect... come on people! ^^

- As Yustax said, the Deathcam is bad... plain and simple. Like above, I want to view my score when dead and not stare at the ugly face of my killer from 5" away. It's especially painful when you see the errors in the animations from that distance. Who thought that this was a good game-mechanic?! ^^

Other than that, finding a server isn't as bad as it was with BC2s beta... that's good, although the amount of servers available is quite conservative, hope they up that number by another x thousand for Friday. ^^

Ah well, let's say it's still the beta, so all will be well in 1 month.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah right...^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 28-09-2011, 10:09:06
TotalBiscuit takes a look at the BF3 beta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0POAnWAmV0w
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 28-09-2011, 10:09:27
Raises some good points. Especially not being able to change any settings without joining a server. Ridiculous. Some issues I still have is regarding squad play, 4 player squads are too small, squads no longer have callsigns as far as I can tell which makes teamwork between squads difficult to say the least and squadleader only spawning was much better than spawn on every squad member.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-09-2011, 10:09:21
hm

not sure if BF3 is worth it
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 28-09-2011, 11:09:29
At the moment I would still prefer RO2. ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: cannonfodder on 28-09-2011, 12:09:34
This game is way too noobified...

I won't judge until I play it, but it certainly sounds like it... ::)

I'm not a fan of either jets or snipers in BF2, but the way they've nerfed the jets (by removing the bombs) is ridiculous and comes across as laziness.

And making snipers easy to see kinda defeats their whole purpose, without the ability to hide they're nothing more than a soldier with a long-range rifle.


It's just not Battlefield if you don't get sniped and blown into orbit at least once a round... :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 28-09-2011, 12:09:56
7-minute Caspian border HD Beta gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO2hrjKeMY0&feature=player_embedded).
Btw, didn´t DICE say they´d change the "enemy spotted doritos" so that they´d disappear after you lose visual contact with the spotted enemy and yet we see that feature in-game. Oh, and what about the COM-ROSE, is it already in-game?
Another thing that makes me cringe and a little bit destroys immersion for me (and probably makes me sound like some nit-picking nerd) is seeing the player models constantly having their index finger on their guns trigger, while running, reloading or just standing around.
With all those advises and "inside knowledge" DICE got from Andy McNab to make the game "absolutely immersive" I kinda find it odd to see that in-game, since it´s a basic rule of firearms safety...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Gezoes on 28-09-2011, 12:09:12
This doesn't sound good to be honest...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 28-09-2011, 12:09:08
Caspian Border map is what we need. I do not like the Rush game mode.

Haha just noticed the jets taking off from a dirt strip.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 28-09-2011, 14:09:39
I wonder if they decided to bring out the beta with mostly medium textures and ultra setting not working to prevent mass Internet complaining about bad peformance.

Tonight I finally have some time to check it out myself.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: McCloskey on 28-09-2011, 14:09:29
Why the hell is that Caspian Border gameplay video giving me the "this video is private" crap? When I have the link I should be able to watch it, no? :-X
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 28-09-2011, 14:09:13
Would be a strange reason. After all, betas and demos are supposed to get people interested enough to buy the game, and great-looking visual do sell games for the casual gamer. For comparison, practically nobody had the hardware to run FarCry or Crysis on maximum settings when they were released, but that did not stop Crytek releasing demos with maximum details allowed.

Also, since betatesting is supposed to reveal problems in the game, shouldn't the max settings be included just to see what happens to the game when a client runs out of resources - does it cause warping, lag for others, what?

Oh well. Maybe they think that if a max-detail beta is released, too many people will get enough of vanilla BF3 before ever buying the retail version, so they hold the full visuals back as an incentive to buy it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: mopskind on 28-09-2011, 14:09:00
Try this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwJK1KedEPs
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 28-09-2011, 16:09:02
(http://i55.tinypic.com/34t4f1x.jpg)
soon...
U mirin brah?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 28-09-2011, 16:09:19

Btw, didn´t DICE say they´d change the "enemy spotted doritos" so that they´d disappear after you lose visual contact with the spotted enemy and yet we see that feature in-game. Oh, and what about the COM-ROSE, is it already in-game?

They say so, but playing the beta...and it's the same thing, the same doritos going through rock and bushes and everything. C-Rose is not in the beta perhaps full game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 28-09-2011, 16:09:12

Btw, didn´t DICE say they´d change the "enemy spotted doritos" so that they´d disappear after you lose visual contact with the spotted enemy and yet we see that feature in-game. Oh, and what about the COM-ROSE, is it already in-game?

They say so, but playing the beta...and it's the same thing, the same doritos going through rock and bushes and everything. C-Rose is not in the beta perhaps full game.
Doubtful.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-09-2011, 17:09:54
since Ro2 i have doubts with "Beta's"
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 28-09-2011, 17:09:42
They say so, but playing the beta...and it's the same thing, the same doritos going through rock and bushes and everything. C-Rose is not in the beta perhaps full game.
Doubtful.
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Didn´t they promised to add the COMMO-ROSE atleast to the PC version, after a fierce protest of fans?
I´m not sure if I´ll ever get this game. From what DICE has released and from what I´ve read/seen in reviews this game looks more and more like some bland hotch-potch of "great" features and less like a unique and "true" Battlefield game...
It´s just so much stuff, like BC-styled spotting, all that unlock-rank-insignia-madness, small-ish maps, removal of bombs from jets, slow flying jets, auto heal, no mod and map support and that Origin with its rather creepy  EULAs...I think I rather safe my money for something else.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 28-09-2011, 18:09:23
yay! another "dice promised" post  ;D should make that lol-collage some day

more "they promised" lulz: http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/search.php?searchid=4112109
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 28-09-2011, 18:09:08
more "they promised" lulz: http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/search.php?searchid=4112109

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That link was worth a click.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 28-09-2011, 18:09:20
just log in with your EA account  ::)

if you can't be bothered, Ill sum it up: it's a collection of funny threads that contain the phrase "dice promised", some of them are very amusing to read, in their own little naive cutyness
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 28-09-2011, 18:09:45
What is an EA Account? Is it the same thing I use to log into BF2?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 28-09-2011, 18:09:05
Quote
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Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 28-09-2011, 19:09:23
What is an EA Account? Is it the same thing I use to log into BF2?
universal profile for using any of EAs online services, like logging in to games, forums, stores etc..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 28-09-2011, 19:09:20
Just answer my question. Is it the same I use to log into BF2? Stop with the eyerolling. Not all of us use something like that so you shouldnt take it for granted.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 28-09-2011, 19:09:15
What eye-roll? I answered...
https://profile.ea.com
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 28-09-2011, 19:09:34
just log in with your EA account  ::)

That eyeroll. It made you look very arrogant, as if you think everyone uses something like an "EA" account. And no, you didnt answer my question. I asked you wether it is the same I use to login to BF2 and all I got was

Quote
universal profile for using any of EAs online services, like logging in to games, forums, stores etc..

when I could have just needed a yes/no answer. And I still dont know if "games" include BF2. Not that this matters since I am not going to login to it anyway.

Thanks for making this complicated.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 28-09-2011, 19:09:34
What eye-roll? I answered...
https://profile.ea.com
No you did not! READ THE QUESTION AND STOP TROLLING FOR ONCE! ::)

It is NOT the account you log in to BF2 with. It's the one you use for example in BC2.

This pointless discussion ends HERE. I will delete everything if you try to continue that arguing. Back to BF3.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 28-09-2011, 20:09:07


Anyways. Starting up the Beta now. I fear I will be "Dice i am disappoint", but I have to hope for the best. My other fear is that my comp will explode.. on http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/ I just barely peak over "Minimum" :/


*You cheeky little... ;D *
- Thorondor
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 28-09-2011, 20:09:42


Anyways. Starting up the Beta now. I fear I will be "Dice i am disappoint", but I have to hope for the best.

Right now I'm dissappoint :( It does not have the Battlefield spirit. I do not feel it is a Battlefield game. Maybe because I am too conservative, or maybe because of my rig that gives me 30 fps. I want hundreds of full Battlefield 1942 servers again :/

Edit: It's no doubt a good game, but a IMHO a Battlefield game? naah
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 28-09-2011, 21:09:34
Look now; ultra high bullet damage, few hits and you're dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCJGFN9zyRA
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 28-09-2011, 21:09:38
Right now I'm dissappoint :( It does not have the Battlefield spirit. I do not feel it is a Battlefield game.

ROFL... 41 minutes later and you make that analysis?  ;D


"ok"  8) let's see what you say after having played the full game a few months instead.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 28-09-2011, 21:09:24
Let's hope so :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 28-09-2011, 21:09:12
How does one participate in this open beta? I'm lost :|

Also.. I propose that we remove the sunglasses smiley and the eye rolling smiley.. I think it will help Natty look less arrogant..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 28-09-2011, 21:09:24
"ok"  8) let's see what you say after having played the full game a few months instead.

So nowadays we're supposed to buy a game first and only then determine whether or not it was worth its money?
I miss the good old days when a demo or beta actually tried to represent the game and tried to deliver a great first experience to make people buy it.  ???


Anyway, has anyone played Caspian Border and tried the helicopters? I'm very curious as to whether they fly normally like BF2 or like BC2's degrated console/noob system.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 28-09-2011, 21:09:41
Omg this game is nothing like Codename Eagle I wantz mah meoney back .....

Damn EA borked my beta key, I did have time to watch Total Biscuit review, that was nice.

@Pink Tutu
Wait till tomorrow, then everybody is supposed to get access.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 28-09-2011, 21:09:57
Another HD Caspian Border video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1PBeCMPNQA&feature=player_embedded#!), showing some tank footage etc. The tank 3rd person view looks uncanily familiar. o0
And telephone poles work perfectly fine as tank traps. ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 28-09-2011, 21:09:48
TotalBiscuit plays BF3 - Caspian Border:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ndz13zUms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ZL0Z3oiK8&feature=feedu
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: FatJoe on 28-09-2011, 22:09:09
@Pink Tutu
Wait till tomorrow, then everybody is supposed to get access.

HAHAHA
good lord I miss you guys..

good, thanks for the info :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 29-09-2011, 01:09:58
TotalBiscuit plays BF3 - Caspian Border:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ndz13zUms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ZL0Z3oiK8&feature=feedu
He has a good point! And turned my frown upside down. That looks like a Battlefield game! That gameplay looks amazing, unlike the mediocre gameplay I have had on Operation Metro. Why do we get MoH gameplay in a Battlefield game? I have searched for Caspian Border servers, but all of them requires a freaking password. That sucks a big fat one. I hope Caspian becomes unlocked for all of us when the Beta is released for everyone..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ajs47951 on 29-09-2011, 01:09:24
does beta have SINGLE PLAYER AND LAN?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 29-09-2011, 01:09:00
does beta have SINGLE PLAYER AND LAN?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14
Nope.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 29-09-2011, 10:09:01
Nice parking action  :D

(http://i.imgur.com/ddPYs.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 29-09-2011, 12:09:26
I don't understand why they bother getting a public beta instead of giving us a proper demo. I guess the gaming industry has changed last couple of years. Demo's seem to be regarded as  a waist of time...

Also there have been very few innovating games since the financial crisis. I guess publishers want to play safe and milk out their popular franchise. 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 29-09-2011, 12:09:40
I don't understand why they bother getting a public beta instead of giving us a proper demo. I guess the gaming industry has changed last couple of years. Demo's seem to be regarded as  a waist of time...

Also there have been very few innovating games since the financial crisis. I guess publishers want to play safe and milk out their popular franchise. 

First: They can end beta whenever they want. That makes people buy the full game if they like it. BF1942 and BF2 demos still have a shitload of players.
Second: If something is wrong, they can say "it's just a beta".
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-09-2011, 13:09:20
Yeah, it is basically a demo, not a "proper" beta. The most important testing carried out during the open beta is most likely server stress testing and such.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 29-09-2011, 13:09:18
Is it open for everyone yet?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-09-2011, 13:09:54
Should open at 1 PM GMT.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-09-2011, 13:09:39
im still doubting if i should go for the beta...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 29-09-2011, 13:09:23
im still doubting if i should go for the beta...
I´d dowload it for shits and giggles, because I´d really like to try it out for myself, still kinda hoping it might turn out atleast enjoyable, but Origin with its uncanny EULAs is the main reason why I hesitate to take part in the Beta.... :/
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 29-09-2011, 13:09:49
im still doubting if i should go for the beta...

Go for it, it will cure your needs and give EA a nice look at your PC data. ^^
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-09-2011, 13:09:42
im still doubting if i should go for the beta...

Go for it, it will cure your needs and give EA a nice look at your PC data. ^^
well i dont have any cracked or hacked games

BUT VAT ABOUT MAH P000RRRNNNN?????
 ;D ;D ;D

UND my secret waffel recipe!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: DLFReporter on 29-09-2011, 13:09:54
..
BUT VAT ABOUT MAH P000RRRNNNN?????
 ;D ;D ;D
UND my secret waffel recipe!

Belgian Porn? God no, not even EA wants that... the Waffel recipe on the other hand... hmmm
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 29-09-2011, 13:09:18


Belgian Porn? God no, not even EA wants that... the Waffel recipe on the other hand... hmmm
How did you avoid EA spying on your data via Origin? Did you go for the SSD harddrive solution?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 29-09-2011, 14:09:52
I don't understand why they bother getting a public beta instead of giving us a proper demo. I guess the gaming industry has changed last couple of years. Demo's seem to be regarded as  a waist of time...

Also there have been very few innovating games since the financial crisis. I guess publishers want to play safe and milk out their popular franchise.
Yes the gaming industry has changed the last couple of years... ;) you did realize that now right? It is very different from 2002 or 2005... very... you don't need to worry about what the official naming of the file is.. beta, demo.. it doesn't really matter. It's purpose is to break the system. Basically get as many players in to the system so they can see when it breaks, then close it down, update it, put it back up, break it again. This is how you build a stabile gaming platform.
It's not like bf3 is just a bunch of servers running the beta which you connect to and test it and see if you "like it".. It's the entire system that needs testing, and the only way to do that is by flooding a lot of people in to it.
Basically a beta/demo is not about letting players try the game, it's about letting the creators trying it.

Maybe for small games like RO2 it is about allowing people to get a pre-taste to see if to buy it or not.. that's not the case here.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-09-2011, 14:09:47
Yeah game industry changed alot

Todays games are crap

Next to a few good ones
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-09-2011, 14:09:35


Maybe for small games like RO2 it is about allowing people to get a pre-taste to see if to buy it or not.. that's not the case here.
Nope, the RO2 closed beta was for people who had already bought the game and the purpose was to get a larger test group to eliminate max number of bugs before the release. And they did fix a number of bugs.

BF3 open beta is a demo which is also being used as a stress test.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 29-09-2011, 14:09:56
Open beta has arrived, prepare to be invaded by EA Spyware  ::)

Caspian border is in the demo, without password, prepare to be teamkilled for jets  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-09-2011, 14:09:42
Origin... What the hell EA? Did you REALLY have to fuck up every single thing about it?

No, I don't want my games to program files, I installed the software into my games partition, not my bloody windows partition.

Oh, I have to download the game and then install it? Some other software handles it differently but... wait.. you actually broke my installation!?

OK, let's verify the game cache and... hmm, I cant? I have to re-download the whole game?

At least I have a fast internet so... wait, did you seriously just freeze?

The Steam beta in 2003 was quite bad. I wish Origin would be at least on that level.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: McCloskey on 29-09-2011, 15:09:54
Way to go EA, "You must be logged in as an administrator to continue." that pops up when I try to install the beta isn't really helping in convincing me to buy the game... Jesus fucking christ if you have to copy something, at least do it RIGHT.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 29-09-2011, 15:09:13
So I did some research and found out about this "Origin" thingy:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/960869-battlefield-3/60145714

Apparently it scans your entire ProgramData folder, but at the moment it doesn't seem to relay any significant info to EA's servers.

However it's ability to scan stuff on your computer can be stopped by using the program called Sandboxie which allows you to run it in a secluded environment:

http://www.totalbantercommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=632&start=0
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 29-09-2011, 16:09:03
Has anyone found a Caspian Border server without password. I will NOT play anymore Operation Metrosexual..

This comforts me.

EA/DICE... seriously... this is lalalalaing awesome. THIS is what Battlefield is all about. I immediately felt and heard the intensity that a Battlefield game is supposed to have. Why are you lalalalaing around with Operation Metroll in this beta? You can blow your audience away with Caspian Border, which is a true Battlefield experience. I was very disappointed when playing Operation Metroll, but Caspian Border has made me a happy person again. If you really want to redeem yourself, I suggest you put up more Caspian Border servers, and open them up to the public. Well done. Now go, and do what you gotta do.

 Edit: To those who aren't able to play Caspian Border, you will not be disappointed.


http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-3/1431209-playing-caspian-border-right-now.html
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Turkletoon on 29-09-2011, 17:09:56
Origin don't work for me. Have installed it but the store doesn't work. I get page load error
so I can't even download the game :(
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 29-09-2011, 17:09:39
Origin don't work for me. Have installed it but the store doesn't work. I get page load error
so I can't even download the game :(

I had some problems with it as well, but mucked about with it until I managed to get it working. I just don't know how I did it.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Turkletoon on 29-09-2011, 17:09:33
Now it seems like it's working. Guess the servers is running quite busy :P
I hope it works...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: McCloskey on 29-09-2011, 17:09:18
I love programs tellin you that you have to run them as an admin and they won't let you continue, while, in fact, I'm the ONLY admin. That is hilarious.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 29-09-2011, 17:09:15
Origin... What the hell EA? Did you REALLY have to fuck up every single thing about it?

No, I don't want my games to program files, I installed the software into my games partition, not my bloody windows partition.

So is was there a way to get it not to install to my windows partition?  I had a couple cocktails when I installed Origin and just assumed I fucked up.  When I finally got the beta downloaded it gave me an error because it ate up all the room on my SSD.   >:(  I was able to shuffle some stuff around to squeeze the beta on there but for the full game I will be boned unless this is fixed.

I did try Caspian the other day for and for those wondering if it has that BF2 vanilla feel the answer is a big YES.  I hope they adopt the BF2 squad system of 6 guys and the ability to leave and join squads of your choosing in the final version.  4 man throw me in whatever fucking squad was fine for some loltastic Rush gameplay but for Caspian I thought it sucked and really missed the old system.   
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-09-2011, 17:09:55
Origin... What the hell EA? Did you REALLY have to fuck up every single thing about it?

No, I don't want my games to program files, I installed the software into my games partition, not my bloody windows partition.

So is was there a way to get it not to install to my windows partition? 
Yes, you can change it from the settings somewhere.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 29-09-2011, 18:09:54
Has anyone found a Caspian Border server without password. I will NOT play anymore Operation Metrosexual..

Afaik the password for CB servers should be ''videokilledtheradiostar'' now.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-09-2011, 18:09:24
Origin + that server browser: Literally worse than Hitler.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Turkletoon on 29-09-2011, 18:09:43
I hate this...
it's installed now, but this god damned server browser won't seem to work. It's been on "joining server" for ages.
Why couldn't they have created a normal server browser IN-GAME and not on the WEB
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 29-09-2011, 18:09:57
I hate this...
it's installed now, but this god damned server browser won't seem to work. It's been on "joining server" for ages.
Why couldn't they have created a normal server browser IN-GAME and not on the WEB

1 word: money (they get paid for advertising stuff in your server browser, and they can advertise their own games for free as well).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 29-09-2011, 19:09:05
For those with problems loging in do this:

1) Go to the location where Origin installed battlefield. This folder is called: "Beta Battlefield 3" (grave accent on first e). Now this is the problem; the Windows registry system can't cope with the 'e' with the grave accent, so change it to a normal 'e': "Beta Battlefield 3".

2) Next press the Windows key + r on your keyboard and enter "regedit" (without the "), press enter. Now navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> SOFTWARE -> Wow6432Node -> EA GAMES. Click on 'Bf3 Beta'. On your right you see a row of information where the 3rd and 4th row are filepaths, and there the annoying 'e' is back! Change the e's with the grave accent to normal 'e' in both filepaths and close the registry editor.

I had the same problem and now it works. I work with win7 64 bit so for the 32 bit windows the path is slightly different.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-09-2011, 19:09:23
Quick first impressions after four hours of installing it:

+ It is definitely better than BC2. Even the small rush map metro beats the BC2 rush maps.
+ Caspian Border will be awesome.
+ Step towards the good ol' Battlefield.
- Origin and the web based server browser. Worse than Hitler.

I'm planning to build a new PC at some point, so I will most likely buy BF3 at least then.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 29-09-2011, 20:09:12
Quick first impressions after four hours of installing it:

+ It is definitely better than BC2. Even the small rush map metro beats the BC2 rush maps.
+ Caspian Border will be awesome.
+ Step towards the good ol' Battlefield.
- Origin and the web based server browser. Worse than Hitler.

I'm planning to build a new PC at some point, so I will most likely buy BF3 at least then.
What I get from this is, the cracked version will be a superior gaming experience. Hurray for EA!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 29-09-2011, 20:09:23
Quick first impressions after four hours of installing it:

+ It is definitely better than BC2. Even the small rush map metro beats the BC2 rush maps.
+ Caspian Border will be awesome.
+ Step towards the good ol' Battlefield.
- Origin and the web based server browser. Worse than Hitler.

I'm planning to build a new PC at some point, so I will most likely buy BF3 at least then.
What I get from this is, the cracked version will be a superior gaming experience. Hurray for EA!

It won't start without origin or battlelog (which also requires origin and ea account). Sorry :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: RAnDOOm on 29-09-2011, 20:09:37

It won't start without origin or battlelog (which also requires origin and ea account). Sorry :P


All games can and will be cracked. Sorry.   :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 29-09-2011, 20:09:36

It won't start without origin or battlelog (which also requires origin and ea account). Sorry :P


All games can and will be cracked. Sorry.   :P

In all cracks there can be gamed. Sorry  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 29-09-2011, 20:09:34
Let's stop spamming or you will be sorry :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 29-09-2011, 21:09:40
Let's stop spamming or you will be sorry :P

Speaking of sorriness... "We're sorry, an error has occurred We are unable to connect to EA servers to activate Battlefield 3 Open Beta on this computer using your account. Please try again later."

Well fck you Origin, I'm not letting you see my shit on MY computer...

Oh God now it's spamming errors in Polish too.. (or Russian, but I think it's Polish)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 29-09-2011, 21:09:06
Oh God now it's spamming errors in Polish too.. (or Russian, but I think it's Polish)
IN SOVIET RUSSIA, GAME CRACK YOU
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Lightning on 29-09-2011, 21:09:58
(or Russian, but I think it's Polish)
Russian and Polish don't even use the same script.  :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Stefan on 29-09-2011, 22:09:58
my dual core @3.6ghz stuttering with 100% usage.... time for AMD bulldozer
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 29-09-2011, 22:09:15
Just finished a round on Caspian Border! FUUUUAAARK! That was something else that Operation Metroll. Recorded 19 minutes of gameplay if anyone wants to watch! Will upload vid soon.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 29-09-2011, 22:09:33
Just tried it on the PS3 and I have to say I think I loved it even more over there (at least for the rush bit).  Despite having the most pimped PC money can buy and running it all silky smooth on high I really have to give Dice credit for putting out a damn fine game on 2006 tech (also seemed less glitchy on the PS3). 
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-09-2011, 22:09:38
Played it at a friends place

hm

its better then BC2. Much
Quick first impressions after four hours of installing it:

+ It is definitely better than BC2. Even the small rush map metro beats the BC2 rush maps.
+ Caspian Border will be awesome.
+ Step towards the good ol' Battlefield.
- Origin and the web based server browser. Worse than Hitler.

I'm planning to build a new PC at some point, so I will most likely buy BF3 at least then.
^Everything thorondor said is what i want to say

I also need a better PC, once i have it, i will get BF3. Its a good step back towards the good old battlefield.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 29-09-2011, 23:09:10
For those with problems loging in do this:

I had the same problem and now it works. I work with win7 64 bit so for the 32 bit windows the path is slightly different.

Thanks a bunch! Game works fine now thanks to this fix.  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 30-09-2011, 00:09:12
OK I played Operation Metrololol for a few hours and here's my impressions:

PROS
- Sounds are awesome (when they work that is, more on that later) although they don't seem really too realistic and sound like they were enhanced and added some bass to make the guns have more "oomph"
- deployable spawn points - something we always wanted (although horribly implemented in the way that you can spawn right under your enemy's nose, or into a crossfire, or keep spawning helplessly while they spawnkill you
- Overall feel, it feels(and looks) somewhat like BC 2 but enhanced and with a little bit slower pace, I like the emphasis on teamwork
- Suppression is done correctly, it's not easy to return accurate fire while suppressed.
- Bipods - they can be quite useful and you can finally use that MG correctly without looking silly
- concealment is nicely done and you can hide in that bush quite effectively

CONS
- I don't know if it's just me but the sound keeps dropping all the time... You can find yourself in a battle and suddenly you can't hear shit.
- The noobtubes - they are everywhere and everyone seems to have them - COD much? Also people carry a primary weapon, a sidearm, a knife/blowtorch, AND a mothafucking RPG with 3(!) rockets... and can still sprint like Usain Bolt on steroids (yes I know I'm exaggerating).
- Unlockable stuff and perks - not generally bad, but really annoying when there are lasers and flashlights shining IN YA FACE all the time. Also perks are a bit unfair IMO but you are limited to 1 specialization I believe so they are okay I guess.
- Still quite buggy - seeing through ground, animation bugs (like dead bodies wielding guns through some woodoo magic and the old bug from BFH where it looks like people are trying to imitate an airplane with their arms). Also FPS drops from time to time.
- lack of some features that are considered basic in some games like the ability to LEAN
- Running and gunning - it seems that bunny hopping and dolphin diving are back... sigh... also no need to quickscope as you get crosshairs with the marksman rifle too.
- Only 4 classes and 4 man squads... They are dumbing this down too much
- Origin... IT' S CRAP... when it works it would be okay I suppose (if it didn't collect all the stuff about you I guess  :P)... and that stupid web based server browser.
- It almost killed my PC! My CPU temperature skyrocketed - guess I need to replace that stock cooler/ make a new hole in my case...


I have yet to try out Caspian Border gameplay so I can judge a bit more.

BTW if someone wants to add me on this crappy Origin for a few rounds go ahead, my username is TheLucky0ne
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-09-2011, 00:09:23


CONS
- I don't know if it's just me but the sound keeps dropping all the time... You can find yourself in a battle and suddenly you can't hear shit.
- The noobtubes - they are everywhere and everyone seems to have them - COD much? Also people carry a primary weapon, a sidearm, a knife/blowtorch, AND a mothafucking RPG with 3(!) rockets... and can still sprint like Usain Bolt on steroids (yes I know I'm exaggerating).
- Unlockable stuff and perks - not generally bad, but really annoying when there are lasers and flashlights shining IN YA FACE all the time. Also perks are a bit unfair IMO but you are limited to 1 specialization I believe so they are okay I guess.
- Still quite buggy - seeing through ground, animation bugs (like dead bodies wielding guns through some woodoo magic and the old bug from BFH where it looks like people are trying to imitate an airplane with their arms). Also FPS drops from time to time.
- lack of some features that are considered basic in some games like the ability to LEAN
- Running and gunning - it seems that bunny hopping and dolphin diving are back... sigh... also no need to quickscope as you get crosshairs with the marksman rifle too.
- Only 4 classes and 4 man squads... They are dumbing this down too much
- Origin... IT' S CRAP... when it works it would be okay I suppose (if it didn't collect all the stuff about you I guess  :P)... and that stupid web based server browser.
- It almost killed my PC! My CPU temperature skyrocketed - guess I need to replace that stock cooler/ make a new hole in my case...
I have yet to try out Caspian Border gameplay so I can judge a bit more.

BTW if someone wants to add me on this crappy Origin for a few rounds go ahead, my username is TheLucky0ne
Agreed on most of those cons. Its a bit to Codish
And origen is absolutely horrible...its like

you buy a car. The car has to remain at the car dealer. if you need it, the car dealer will give you the keys, if he is in the mood.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 30-09-2011, 00:09:22
Played it for few hours. Awesome rounds. Defending the objectives from a good position, you don't have to run and jump all around to stay alive, but you can just find a good spot and hold your positions. Same with attacking; we moved as a squad, flanking under the bushes and having long fire-fights with the enemy. No need to bunny-jump straight to the objective.

Bloody hard to join the same squad with your friend, though.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-09-2011, 00:09:21
Yeah a serious pain in the ass. The game itself is decent good. It could still be better and more in the classic BF2 way, but they could have easily turned this in a fully Cod 8 game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Moose on 30-09-2011, 01:09:15
I like the slower pace and the fact that I can actually move up through cover and not get fucking slaughtered like in BC2. I have the same issue with sounds, but it is a beta. Also it is super fun when they cap an objective in Rush to hide and wait for them to move to the next one then come behind them, i got like 8 kills in a row doing this. Sniping is very COD-ish, but is still fun. I like the feel of the firefights. There is a lot of rpg spamming though, but as of yet, it's not killed me much. I like the Metro map, something about shooting up France is awesome. All in all, not bad so far.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 30-09-2011, 02:09:23
The game grows on me. Had some freaking fun rounds on Metroll.

Me wantz:

-Own medic kit
-Squads being able to do something with.

One of my issues are that it is really retarded to have Assault and medic as one. Bring back BF42 style where the medic has an SMG! The way it is now is too arcadish. And second is SQUAD WITH SQUAD LEADERS ISSUING ORDERS! The squad work is non existant. The only bonus is three more spawn points.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eat Uranium on 30-09-2011, 05:09:45
I'll just leave this here:

Battlefield 3 comparation PC vs. Playstation3 Split Screen  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGbo50Ar420)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Archimonday on 30-09-2011, 05:09:54
How to start on this. My first impressions of this game were, well, poor. I had a hard time jumping through the loops to get this game running.

It wasn't so much Origin, as it was the need to travel to my Internet Browser to join a game. My first thought as I saw the server browser wasn't negative, it was quick, and worked fine. However, it was when I started to try and join games that my disgust for it started to grow. To summarize how Battlefield 3's Server Browser works:

One finds a server on the list, and must click the large "Join Game" button to join it. A small window appears in the bottom left hand corner, that lists the map, the name of the server, and how many people are playing on it, and this screen goes through a series of texts that tell you what its up to. After a moment of trying to join, one begins to hear sound effects through ones headphones. However, you are not in the game yet, no you have to travel back to your internet browser, find the small window in the bottom left hand corner, and click the "Go To the Game" button that is now there.

I find it also quite annoying that, even though I was able to play this game without them, that it seems necessary to download the customized drivers for Battlefield 3 to even run the beta. While I will probably do it in the next few days, it just seems like a very unnecessary thing. In addition, having to download browser plugins to even use the Server Browser was a bit annoying, though over quickly, its more software on my PC that I really shouldn't need, after-all, the Server Browser should be in-game.

Once the game is actually started, it doesn't start in full screen mode, it starts in windowed mode, at the resolution the player has selected, and then the player must use Alt+Enter to bring the game to full screen. Again, not a difficult task, but it seems like yet another meaningless task to perform just to even start playing.

If however, this server browser was instead incorporated into Origin, joined a server, and then the game started in full screened mode, I would have far less of a problem with it. As is though, there is a lot of hoops to jump through to even start playing.

The beta is plagued by a plethora of bugs, which have probably all been well documented by now, so I wont even bother commenting on them.

I was disappointed to see no servers playing the large Caspian Border map, and so I spent my time searching for an East Coast server, that wasn't full, and was playing Metro. Metro starts out nice, a large open area, with trees, a pond, and plenty of room to move around in. However, I found it plagued by snipers, and men who somehow magically could spot me from long distances. Battlefield 3's graphical improvements alone made it very difficult for me to even see a lot of my enemies, let alone engage them with my gun bouncing around on screen and the recoil blasting away.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the immersion of the game. Every bullet, every bomb, every falling tree limb, and hole in the ground made it all seem very desperate. Made it very real. The recoil of the guns makes shooting a bit more of a challenge than I expected, with many games becoming rail shooters these days it was excellent to see Battlefield 3's weapons kick and recoil when I was engaging targets, and then for that to only increase if fire was incoming at me as well. Weapons are very effective too, deadly, and with a few placed shots in the right places enemies drop fast.

I'm still in the midst of a debate with myself whether adding prone back to battlefield was a good idea. While there's really no way to take advantage of it like in the past, sometimes prone men look like dead bodies, and its difficult sometimes to tell if that immobile figure is about to pull a trigger on you, or is dead, and especially in the subway parts of the map, prone players hiding in subway cars, on top of escalators, behind invincible trash cans, and in nooks and crannies in every part of the Metro made the assault very difficult, and an absolute blood bath.

However the game grows on you, and it is very fun once it does. I find that Battlefield 3 requires you to take a much slower approach to many of your objectives. Where as in Bad Company 2 I was charging at full sprint from cover to cover to avoid the overwhelming number of snipers with magnum ammunition, Battlefield 3 makes me think a little more before I move, and I found that our Squad was much more effective moving up slowly than it was just blindly charging down the subway tunnels or across the fields.

The spotting system has been improved. As far as I can tell, recon kits are the only ones that can actually create the 3D Spotting Icons, while all other kits can only simple Q spot on the map. I think that works well, and gives the Recon kit an added bonus.

I also noted that large amounts of points were rewarded for team efforts, such as kill assists, squad members spawning on you, squad or team members killing an enemy you had suppressed, giving out health kits and ammunition. It all seemed to be getting me far more points than the kills did, even if every kill is worth 100 points. However, despite this, there is a relative lack of teamwork in Battlefield 3. Hapless squads of four men are unable to communicate properly, there is no 3D Hud icons which any member of the squad can place, and every member of the squad is very quick to run off on his/her own. This inevitably is why playing with friends is crucial, even as difficult as that is in Battlefield 3. I hope that getting my buddies into a Squad of our own will be much improved before November.

I believe that Metro needs a bit of a rework. Its a very large, very long bottle neck, that sends waves of attackers into the well prepared light machine guns and sniper rifles of enemies who only have a few tunnels and hallways to watch in order to hold down the whole kit and caboose. Just sitting with an assault rifle as a defender, firing in single-shot mode I was picking off waves of American attackers storming up the escalators while my buddies fired RPG's into the waves like a zombie apocalypse. One area in particular only gives players two options to reach the objectives, and both objectives are positioned in open areas with nothing but panes of glass between them and the entirety of the room. Which makes defending those bomb sites extremely difficult as the respawning waves of defenders come storming in a counter attack (bum rush) to defuse it.

Many players don't understand too what the siren and the flashing icon on the map really means. The number of people I saw rushing to try and defuse the planted bombs while I was playing defense was few and far between. I think some sort of incentive, or reminder of what those warnings mean needs to be placed in broad sight for all the people that evidently have never heard a siren before and thought "That must be bad!"

Battlefield 3 isn't stellar by any means, but I will reserve my true comments on the game until I get to play the full retail version this November, and get my hands on some 64 player conquest.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 30-09-2011, 06:09:49
The worst element I have ever seen in a video game:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/sniperlighthouse.png)

and men who somehow magically could spot me from long distances.

It's called derp spotting...or doritos.

Another disgusting feature.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: :| Hi on 30-09-2011, 06:09:16
I was gonna ask if the Dorito spotting was still in.
Didn't have to look any further by the looks of it
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 30-09-2011, 08:09:12
More shitty details.

This whole crap about regenerating vehicles it's complete bullshit, just hear this spec that let's you do this:

When you go under 49%, you press X (flare button pretty much) and it repairs your jet instantly (with the magics ) up to 60% or so and you keep going.

I hate this weird shit about vehicle perks, I plain hate them. This game it's absolutely the worst gameplay aspects I have ever seen combined into a turd. I really hope they release mod tools, hell, I'll even pay 30 bucks for them.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 30-09-2011, 09:09:18
as it was the need to travel to my Internet Browser to join a game.

welcome to the future ;) you'll like it here once you get used to it  8)
but I will reserve my true comments on the game until I get to play the full retail version this November, and get my hands on some 64 player conquest.
at least someone got it
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 30-09-2011, 10:09:04
I'll just leave this here:
Battlefield 3 comparation PC vs. Playstation3 Split Screen  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGbo50Ar420)
I have nothing but loathing towards PS3, but this video almost made me buy one. The game looks so much more attractive on it. ;D
The worst element I have ever seen in a video game:
This was also the part I hated in FarCry.
welcome to the future ;) you'll like it here once you get used to it  8)
" If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." With the exception that now we don't have to imagine anymore, we can experience it ourselves.

Some argue though that the only thing in the world you cannot get used to is an icicle up yours, because it will melt.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 30-09-2011, 10:09:18
I was very very worried about the browser based solution for joining games/server browser. It is still very rough around the edges but personally I can see a ton of potential. Sofar it has served me well in selecting good servers even during the busiest times. It's fast and let's you connect without hassle with the server, takes less than 30 seconds. From clicking join to spawning in the game. Of course the party system is very convenient as well, it's something consoles have had a for a long time and the PC didn't as far as I know. Of course it needs some work because half the time it doesn't work because a server has filled up before a party is able to join. Will have to do with the number of people playing and the amount of server available I reckon. Compared to the old server browsers in BF games this is amazing stuff and it reminds me of All Seeing Eye to be honest. Which is only a good thing in my book.

Two things that I miss the most but will be fixed in the final version I hope are no squad management tools aside from leaving and joining a random squad and no commorose.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 30-09-2011, 10:09:34
There's a button for using the commorose, so that's probably just unavailable for the Beta.

My problem with BF3 is that the movement feels very sluggish and weird. I've tried messing with the mouse sensitivity and toggling the "raw feed" setting on and off, but so far - nothing. Still feels like I'm trying to move a marionette.

Second problem is my computer shutting down after a couple of minutes of playing, probably due to overheating. I'll have to lower the graphics, I guess. It's annoying having to join a server and spawn before being able to change any settings, though.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 30-09-2011, 11:09:58
It's annoying having to join a server and spawn before being able to change any settings, though.

+1

And yeah I also hate the health regeneration... I mean I just shot a guy with a sniper and he killed me with 0 % health, presumably because of this "regeneration" nonsense. And also wounding a guy just to get mowed down by him a couple of seconds later cause he spent some time in "cover".
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 30-09-2011, 11:09:37
Lowering the gfx settings helped, which in turn made the game less sluggish. I'm getting into it more now, but some things just feel... weird. Might just be that I don't really enjoy the Metro map all that much.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 30-09-2011, 12:09:50
Aww you need a beta key
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 30-09-2011, 12:09:31
Aww you need a beta key

For what?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 30-09-2011, 12:09:08
For nothing, it's an open beta. Just download it from Origin.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 30-09-2011, 12:09:14
Lowering the gfx settings helped, which in turn made the game less sluggish. I'm getting into it more now, but some things just feel... weird. Might just be that I don't really enjoy the Metro map all that much.
Just played a few rounds on Caspian Border. Definately feels like battlefield. Rush is too much of a meatgrinder for my taste.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: SiCaRiO on 30-09-2011, 12:09:18

welcome to the future ;) you'll like it here once you get used to it  8)


does the future include forcing you to join a server if you want to change your graphics settings and been unable to select the squad you want ingame.

oh early 00's , how I miss you.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 30-09-2011, 12:09:20
What other maps except for Op metro and Caspian Border have been revealed so far? I seem to recall that, except for the content of the "Back to Karkand"-DLC and these two maps DICE hasn´t shown us the rest of the stock maps, yet. Or am I missing something?
Just checked it myself, these maps are the only ones revealed so far.

I wonder how many of the unrevealed maps will run with 64-players CQ mode. It´d be a great disappointment if we´d see more Rush mode maps, than "real" Battlefield maps with 64 players...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 30-09-2011, 12:09:19
For nothing, it's an open beta. Just download it from Origin.

Alright thx.
I heard some people have problems installing it in a certain folder. Should i just install it in prog files win x86?<--where all my games are installed in.
 Or should i create another folder for it?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 30-09-2011, 12:09:37
For nothing, it's an open beta. Just download it from Origin.

Alright thx.
I heard some people have problems installing it in a certain folder. Should i just install it in prog files win x86?<--where all my games are installed in.
 Or should i create another folder for it?
If your games are in program files, the mistake is already happened, so go ahead. Origin in all its wisdom most likely already set the games folder there, so just click download.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 30-09-2011, 12:09:45
Ive been smart enough not to install origin yet. So, in all your wisdom, where should i install it?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 30-09-2011, 13:09:52
On a completely different partition from Windows. I would recommend keeping the OS on its own little HD or partition, and installing everything else on another partition. But, that might be too much hassle right now so just install Origin in the default location that it offers.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 30-09-2011, 13:09:36
Ok ok, thx though. Ill just go with the installer.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 30-09-2011, 14:09:28
It's annoying having to join a server and spawn before being able to change any settings, though.

+1

And yeah I also hate the health regeneration... I mean I just shot a guy with a sniper and he killed me with 0 % health, presumably because of this "regeneration" nonsense. And also wounding a guy just to get mowed down by him a couple of seconds later cause he spent some time in "cover".

Don't think there is health re-gen.  In the beta 0% is good to go -1% and under equals dead.  I saw that last night after running through a hail of lead.  I looked down at my health and it was exactly at 0%.   ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 30-09-2011, 15:09:38
hmm
Quote
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION.

Soo
does this also includes movies and music you downloaded?
It feels like i am about to install communism and facism on my PC
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 30-09-2011, 15:09:27

Don't think there is health re-gen.  In the beta 0% is good to go -1% and under equals dead.  I saw that last night after running through a hail of lead.  I looked down at my health and it was exactly at 0%.   ;D

I'm pretty sure it is, as long as you aren't under fire... Will have to double check that though...

Anyway after playing some more I'm starting to see more and more potential flaws in this game... The spawn system is really awkward... Sometimes you spawn next to your mate and you both end up dead... Or you shoot a guy but his mate instantly pops up out of thin air and shoots you dead.

The map glitches... don't get me even started on this one... People falling through the ground... shooting through the ground... being invulnerable while under ground...

And then the sniper spam... When half of your team is camping with their long range rifles in a friggin 2x2 square meters Metro....
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Ciupita on 30-09-2011, 15:09:40
The map glitches... don't get me even started on this one... People falling through the ground... shooting through the ground... being invulnerable while under ground...

It's beta ffs. That would happen for you in fh2 too, if we let you play beta.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 30-09-2011, 15:09:02
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It´s been 3 days full of win!

Thank you everyone who participated in testing Caspian Border with us during the Open Beta. We of course cherish and appreciate the time you have put into supplying is with good feedback. We will of course read it through and discuss it internally.

Testing has now been completed and we are shutting down the Caspian Border servers.
DICEs chief community manager zhinto aparently posted this on the Battlelog blog. Source (http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/gate/?returnUrl=|bf3|#!/bf3/devblog/view/2826551894086251181/) (gotta log in to read it aparently).
Seems like the Open Beta for PCs now solely consists of Op Metro.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 30-09-2011, 15:09:54
The map glitches... don't get me even started on this one... People falling through the ground... shooting through the ground... being invulnerable while under ground...

It's beta ffs. That would happen for you in fh2 too, if we let you play beta.

Yeah I know it is... I just figured out they would have fixed the more obvious bugs by now during the alpha...



Seems like the Open Beta for PCs now solely consists of Op Metro.

Awww I didn't even get a chance to try it out... The servers were always full..
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Moose on 30-09-2011, 15:09:39
Well ps3 and Xbox beta is just metro, so makes sense PC would be restricted to it as well.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 30-09-2011, 15:09:12
Why..? Consoles are not getting 64 player maps anyway. Not even 32 player maps, actually :P
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: G.Drew on 30-09-2011, 15:09:37
Quote
It´s been 3 days full of win!

Thank you everyone who participated in testing Caspian Border with us during the Open Beta. We of course cherish and appreciate the time you have put into supplying is with good feedback. We will of course read it through and discuss it internally.

Testing has now been completed and we are shutting down the Caspian Border servers.
DICEs chief community manager zhinto aparently posted this on the Battlelog blog. Source (http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/gate/?returnUrl=|bf3|#!/bf3/devblog/view/2826551894086251181/) (gotta log in to read it aparently).
Seems like the Open Beta for PCs now solely consists of Op Metro.
£10 they are closing it because they cant be arsed changing the password every 3 hours  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 30-09-2011, 17:09:12
hmm
Quote
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION.

Soo
does this also includes movies and music you downloaded?
It feels like i am about to install communism and facism on my PC

No it does not. If it did I wouldn't want to touch BF3 with a ten foot pole. Sofar I have net seen any processes reading data of my disk that shouldn't be.
And believe youz me that are smarter people then the boths of us wearing theirs tinfoil hat to seez if it comes with a free bonus rootkit.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: evhgear on 30-09-2011, 20:09:24
I just tried the beta on Xbox... sucks hard, add the killcam and you play Call of Dicks... Forget that shit game, return to FH2 :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 30-09-2011, 20:09:24
I just tried the beta on Xbox... sucks hard, add the killcam and you play Call of Dicks... Forget that shit game, return to FH2 :D
Joue sur PC, jeu parfait.
Play on PC, perfect game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: evhgear on 30-09-2011, 20:09:40
Joue sur PC, jeu parfait.
Play on PC, perfect game.
Mon PC est pas assez puissant :'(
My computer is not enough powerfull to run it...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: NTH on 30-09-2011, 20:09:07
I just tried the beta on Xbox... sucks hard, add the killcam and you play Call of Dicks... Forget that shit game, return to FH2 :D

Yeah the kill cams looks weird. The angle from which you are looking in the killcam makes it look like a early 00's FPS game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 30-09-2011, 21:09:43
Ok ive played it for three rounds and im not entirely convinced. Fristly because i quited after having played it for maybe an half hour, secondly because.. well, ive played bfbc2 and it feels like.. the same.
It seems like it will be a good solid game though, but i dont know if its my type of game yet.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 01-10-2011, 00:10:54
Ok ive played it for three rounds and im not entirely convinced. Fristly because i quited after having played it for maybe an half hour, secondly because.. well, ive played bfbc2 and it feels like.. the same.
It seems like it will be a good solid game though, but i dont know if its my type of game yet.
Wait till you play Caspian Border. I played like 10 rounds on it before they remove it. It's BF2, but an EVOLVED BF2. You truly get the BF feeling on that map, with the random and epic moments  ;D. Like 2 jets colliding in the air <3
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Paasky on 01-10-2011, 00:10:13
Ok ive played it for three rounds and im not entirely convinced. Fristly because i quited after having played it for maybe an half hour, secondly because.. well, ive played bfbc2 and it feels like.. the same.
It seems like it will be a good solid game though, but i dont know if its my type of game yet.
Wait till you play Caspian Border. I played like 10 rounds on it before they remove it. It's BF2, but an EVOLVED BF2. You truly get the BF feeling on that map, with the random and epic moments  ;D. Like 2 jets colliding in the air <3
What if you never really liked BF2 and only bought it for FH2?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LHeureux on 01-10-2011, 00:10:04
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What if you never really liked BF2 and only bought it for FH2?
It feels more like Crysis 2 while being BF2. It's awesome.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: evhgear on 01-10-2011, 00:10:18
I finally was able to try it on my computer... my computer seems to rush a little bit, but servers are quite laggy... seems also better than on Xbox
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 01:10:06
Wait till you play Caspian Border. I played like 10 rounds on it before they remove it. It's BF2, but an EVOLVED BF2. You truly get the BF feeling on that map, with the random and epic moments  ;D. Like 2 jets colliding in the air <3
Yes, if "Battlefield" means jets colliding in mid-air to you BF3 might be your game, but if "Battlefield" means
-game innovations (massive combined arms battles that are set in innovative theatres for example);
-mod and map support so you have tons of fun with it even years after you´ve bought the vanilla game (what would the BF franchise be without mods?);
-easy and fun game mechanics (you play with what you have and don´t have to bother with extra crap such as shiny "medals", virtual "ranks", tons of weapon unlocks that make game goals unimportant because in the end only your virtual rank and the tons of shit you´ve unlocked for your guns and vehicles count);
-balance (hardcore grinders seem to have an advantage over the casual player, for example in vehicles);
-no extra "social" platforms that promote e-penis comparisons even more";
-no extra online platform with highly dubios EULAs (users agree not to take part in class-action lawsuits against EA (speaks for itself); Origin is allowed to scan your whole computer, what hardware you use, what software you have installed, what software you deinstalled etc. and even sell your data so they can make even more profit with it by using it for advertisements);
then you might get disappointed with BF3. There´s a reason why every official BF3-FB post has tons of complaints and a good number of Battlefield "vets" in different BF communities canceled their preorders or are even highly sceptical of what DICE/EA will present us.

Don´t get me wrong, I´d love to play BF3, but DICE/EA presented no "innovative" features for the game that convinced me to buy it and with all the facts we´ve seen so far it doesn´t deserve to be called a "BF2 sucessor" because things that made the Battlefield series so unique to me have been removed or spoiled with stuff I´d expect in CoD or MoH but not in a "Battlefield" game.
Also keep in mind that except for the "SaK"-mappack and the two beta maps we haven´t seen any other maps yet, so who says we´ll see many 64-players CQ maps?
But these are just my two cents as someone who questions what he´s being presented with. I´m sure someone very special (someone really special)will now call me a troll again, but seeing the communities reactions on FB, in this forum and on other homepages I feel like I´m not the only one who looks past shiny graphics.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Dukat on 01-10-2011, 01:10:06
It feels more like Crysis...

I'm not sure whether that is actually a plus. After I had played the Crysis demo, I had decided not to buy it.

I viewed some of the beta videos, and it mostly reminded me how horribly annoyed I was after about 6 month with BF2. Then came Special Forces, and it was a waste of money at all.

Curreently BF3 looks like BF2 with improved graphics to me.

What I laughed about most, were the dials in the sight. You could probably hide an elephant behind those dials.

Enemy ahead! - Where? - Ahead, open console, type Hud_0! - Damn, I can't see shit.
[You've been killed by an enemy hidden by dials]

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/c95e7.jpg)


But maybe you can be glad it doesn't look like this:
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/790ca.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-10-2011, 01:10:21
^ Yes but the graphics.... and the medals... they are so shiny....  ::) (like those flashlights and lasers that blind you...  :P)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 09:10:23
I´m sure someone very special (someone really special)will now call me a troll again
Nope, I won't :) because this thread is maybe the most sensible thread you've written. At least you listed down specific feature and want to discuss them. Except that you twist and skew all the things in that list so it just becomes "troll-biased", I guess because you want to shine a negative light on the game and its features, if that makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, then good for you.

The whole "Battlefield means" argument, the thing you seem to miss, is that all that is now re-newed. What Battlefield "meant" for people 6 years ago is different now. Updated, enhanced, because the leap in design- and tech evolution this game brings. Or should I say, this experience brings. as BF3 is more than a just a "game".

Yes, if "Battlefield" means jets colliding in mid-air to you BF3 might be your game, but if "Battlefield" means
-game innovations (massive combined arms battles that are set in innovative theatres for example);
BF3 has quite a lot of real game innovations, the fact that you list "innovative theatres" as an innovation is a bit funny. Im not going to list all the innovations in BF3, you know them already. At least what dice revealed or what you saw in the beta

-mod and map support so you have tons of fun with it even years after you´ve bought the vanilla game (what would the BF franchise be without mods?);
It would be just as fine a franchise as it is now. In case you wonder, only 3 years of the 10 years of Battlefield have had "mod support". Only 3 games out of 8 (PC games) had mod support ;) shocking news? BF franchise isnt a "moddable" gaming franchise, only bf42, BFV and BF2 were. The last Mod tool was released in 2005... 6 years ago.. still people think that that's a core BF thing?

-easy and fun game mechanics (you play with what you have and don´t have to bother with extra crap such as shiny "medals", virtual "ranks", tons of weapon unlocks that make game goals unimportant because in the end only your virtual rank and the tons of shit you´ve unlocked for your guns and vehicles count);
OK, now you forgot what to write. What does "easy and fun game mechanics" have to do with the persistence system? :) Game mechanics is what you do ingame lik running, driving, shooting, the game mode etc.. persistence is the meta system, which DICE now integrated in to a social platform as welll. DICE is very nice towards their players, because players want persistence in their games today, so they went the extra mile and created the richest system made.
Listen to the producers themselves, why they gave you this system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EHaJZtMQ

-balance (hardcore grinders seem to have an advantage over the casual player, for example in vehicles);
Name a game where grinders don't get an advantage? Especially explain how people can grind without also develop skill & knowledge, and how those are not advantages in other games, and why they shouldnt be ;)

-no extra "social" platforms that promote e-penis comparisons even more";
So you are asking people in the year of 2011 if they'd prefer a game without leaderboards and social platforms? "ok" ;) no comment.. just.. wow :) I guess you wonder if people want the game to be just the game? you play it, close it, and nothing gets stored anywhere. The only value, is what happens hear & now when you play? Or how did you see this game? this "pure" game of yours, without social platforms? And if you watched the persistence system explanation video I posted ^ also explain why the game would be better without all the new ways for players to interact with eachother and join eachother, as that's going to make things like clan-wars and tournaments easier. don't you... want players to play together with friends? Or is it best that we do it like in 2005, we install 3rd party VoIP systems and send eachother the IP numbers to what server to join? :)

-no extra online platform with highly dubios EULAs (users agree not to take part in class-action lawsuits against EA (speaks for itself); Origin is allowed to scan your whole computer, what hardware you use, what software you have installed, what software you deinstalled etc. and even sell your data so they can make even more profit with it by using it for advertisements);
Tinfoil hat crew will agree with you, the rest will just lol and say "get over it"
Let me give you an example: You ever been to a vacation in another country? Well, if you go, by plane, you need to go through airport security, this can be a tough experience (if you're paranoid), you need to remove your belt, empty your pocket, they X-ray your bags, you need to go through metaldetector etc..
All this, is a price you pay to be able to fly plane to Bahamas, Mallorca, Asia or South america. :) you can choose to stay home, but then you're missing out on the sun and beaches. Same thing here; You need to install Origin to "fly" to BF3. Look at it as the travel-agency, airport and airline, all wrapped up in one. The actual resort is the game, all the rest is the platforms that take you there.

There´s a reason why every official BF3-FB post has tons of complaints
that is because fans of computer games dont bother with positive feedback ;) if they dont have anything negative to say, they dont say anything. And how big percentage of the total playerbase are making negative FB comments? id say 0.001% (guys like you)
and a good number of Battlefield "vets" in different BF communities canceled their preorders or are even highly sceptical of what DICE/EA will present us.
You're so transparent it's almost cute  :-* You've read in a bunch of other BF forums, and you've picked up a few comments which you can use as argument as people being "sceptical".... this is bonafide forum trolling what you're doing. I can go to any BF forum and pick up negative comments, it's easy.. there are always some who dont like a game. When you read these comments here and there, do you believe that they are a good representation of the overall player opinion, or do you believe that it's just them, a couple of dudes on some forum? Im overly excited in what you will answer on this. :)
How many are we talking btw? 20?.. 40?... Sad that the so-called "vets" dont bother more with reading up on what the game actually intendes to deliver, and instead just blindly head in to it, expecting it to be exactly as "they" imagined it. (these "vets" are probably the same people making those funny lists in the BF3 forum) If they were open to new designs and innovations, they'd have a much greater experience :)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-10-2011, 10:10:44
we are open to new designs and new innovations. problem is, todays games rarely have them.

If you call a few better graphics and some destroyable buildings wich where already in other games, innovations...

Todays games designed by big companies like EA=
the company and people who get payed to say this=HEY GUYS TRULY THIS GAME WILL BE AWESOME REALLY INNOVATING THIS AND THAT

then you get the game, and you realise=
-it takes things from other games
-it playes like motherfrakking COD(like homefront)
-A few better graphics
-Less and less content then the previous games
-A crappier storyline

Or in the case of blackops=
-A much and much and MUCH improved storyline
-A lighning fast paced Multiplayer of wich even COD players will say=Well screw that...this aint fun
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-10-2011, 10:10:05

BF3 has quite a lot of real game innovations, the fact that you list "innovative theatres" as an innovation is a bit funny. Im not going to list all the innovations in BF3, you know them already. At least what dice revealed or what you saw in the beta

The only real innovation I saw was the lasers and flashlights shining in you FACE all the time... The rest all existed in some form in some other game. Oh and you can count that horrible Battlelog idea too (my friend totally agreed on this being horrible... he feels it's becoming like Facebook).


It would be just as fine a franchise as it is now. In case you wonder, only 3 years of the 10 years of Battlefield have had "mod support". Only 3 games out of 8 (PC games) had mod support ;) shocking news? BF franchise isnt a "moddable" gaming franchise, only bf42, BFV and BF2 were. The last Mod tool was released in 2005... 6 years ago.. still people think that that's a core BF thing?

Yes because the modding community made this game into a success... BF 42 probably would not become that popular if it weren't for the mods... Hell I bought BF 2 just to play FH 2! (And I'm sure lots of people did the same, whether for PR or some other mod)

OK, now you forgot what to write. What does "easy and fun game mechanics" have to do with the persistence system? :) Game mechanics is what you do ingame lik running, driving, shooting, the game mode etc.. persistence is the meta system, which DICE now integrated in to a social platform as welll. DICE is very nice towards their players, because players want persistence in their games today, so they went the extra mile and created the richest system made.
Listen to the producers themselves, why they gave you this system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EHaJZtMQ

I kinda agree on this with you, game mechanics don't have a lot in common with persistence... I don't mind the meta system but I don't want the social platform... (another one... sigh)



Name a game where grinders don't get an advantage? Especially explain how people can grind without also develop skill & knowledge, and how those are not advantages in other games, and why they shouldnt be ;)

Yes hardcore grinders get knowledge and skill... But add a lot of "buffing gadgets" on top of that and you have a very unpleasant game experience for a newcomer...(assuming they don't fix the matchmaking - a problem in every BF game that features it)


So you are asking people in the year of 2011 if they'd prefer a game without leaderboards and social platforms? "ok" ;) no comment.. just.. wow :) I guess you wonder if people want the game to be just the game? you play it, close it, and nothing gets stored anywhere. The only value, is what happens hear & now when you play? Or how did you see this game? this "pure" game of yours, without social platforms? And if you watched the persistence system explanation video I posted ^ also explain why the game would be better without all the new ways for players to interact with eachother and join eachother, as that's going to make things like clan-wars and tournaments easier. don't you... want players to play together with friends? Or is it best that we do it like in 2005, we install 3rd party VoIP systems and send eachother the IP numbers to what server to join? :)

Like I said, I don't mind the leaderboards, but the new "social platform system" couple with the crappy squad system means that it's almost impossible to enjoy a game with a friend (trust me I tried yesterday... when I managed to join him in a server without disconnecting, I ended up in a totally different squad with no option to choose... And the built-in VOIP was not working (at least for me). Again, I'm sure they will fix it... someday.


Tinfoil hat crew will agree with you, the rest will just lol and say "get over it"
Let me give you an example: You ever been to a vacation in another country? Well, if you go, by plane, you need to go through airport security, this can be a tough experience (if you're paranoid), you need to remove your belt, empty your pocket, they X-ray your bags, you need to go through metaldetector etc..
All this, is a price you pay to be able to fly plane to Bahamas, Mallorca, Asia or South america. :) you can choose to stay home, but then you're missing out on the sun and beaches. Same thing here; You need to install Origin to "fly" to BF3. Look at it as the travel-agency, airport and airline, all wrapped up in one. The actual resort is the game, all the rest is the platforms that take you there.

Yes but the airport security won't check out your computer... watch your private photos, documents (digital ones) or try to sell your personal information to make more money! So your argument is flawed... Besides they could have made the game work just fine without that resource hog, but I have a feeling they will use it to spam you with advertisements.



You're so transparent it's almost cute  :-* You've read in a bunch of other BF forums, and you've picked up a few comments which you can use as argument as people being "sceptical".... this is bonafide forum trolling what you're doing. I can go to any BF forum and pick up negative comments, it's easy.. there are always some who dont like a game. When you read these comments here and there, do you believe that they are a good representation of the overall player opinion, or do you believe that it's just them, a couple of dudes on some forum? Im overly excited in what you will answer on this. :)
How many are we talking btw? 20?.. 40?... Sad that the so-called "vets" dont bother more with reading up on what the game actually intendes to deliver, and instead just blindly head in to it, expecting it to be exactly as "they" imagined it. (these "vets" are probably the same people making those funny lists in the BF3 forum) If they were open to new designs and innovations, they'd have a much greater experience :)

Yes it might be a tiny amount of people... But there's a lot of them that simply don't have the time or will or see it pointless to write on the Internets on the flaws of a game. I'm sure if EA releases a survey about the beta they will get a lot of negative (as well as positive feedback) which will help to improve the game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 10:10:46
Yes because the modding community made this game into a success...
Nope.avi
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-10-2011, 10:10:26
Nope.avi

OK I'll rephrase that: Because the modding community made the game into an even bigger success, and improved the longevity of the game. (But I don't think EA is concerned about the longevity anymore).
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 11:10:59
Fancy-pancy propaganda speech.

"I wont play any beta, if they upload a proper demo Ill might check it out, otherwise Ill wait for reviews from people who actually can analyze and review games, it's not like what you say would make me download or not download a demo lulz.  8)"

Sounds familiar, right? You wrote that in the RO2 thread and now it fits right into my view of BF3.
In the end every discussion with you about that game is pointless. I stand to what I said and no matter how much propaganda you spit out I won´t bother with this game, especially when it comes with such arbitrary EULAs.
Call me a tinfoil hat fanatic, but I won´t give my computers data into the hands of some faceless corporation that can do whatever they want with it and even sell it so they can make more money after I´ve paid them the full price for the game. If that´s the "future of gaming", then no thanks. I won´t "book this flight" and rather take "other destinations" without bothering about your Orwellian EULAs that make a TSA security check seem less unbearable.
Kelmola used a nice quote of Orwells 1984, which I´ll re-use again:
" If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." With the exception that now we don't have to imagine anymore, we can experience it ourselves.







Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 01-10-2011, 11:10:48
Oi aslong as they fuck off from my essays and stuff im totally fine with them reading my game info. Doesnt Steam do exactly the same?
Its one of the reasons why i waited so long with 3e party stuff, but without it im lost now.

Ok Bf3 btw is an enjoyable shooter, but just one more wich isnt worth 50€. 25, 30€ might be a better price.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 11:10:17
Interesting read (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/) about the differences between Steam and Origin EULAs.
I´d take this article more serious than some biased guys opinion who tries to sugercoat this issue with improper analogies.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: djinn on 01-10-2011, 11:10:01
I don't know about you guys, but you may over-anticipate games.

Like movies, there are ALOT of regualr games, and only a few revolutionary ones that come like once in 3 years...

If you spend so much time reading game articles, you'd buy into the crap that the next game coming out will change the face of gaming forever...

I await BF3, not because I expect it to live up BF42 and Bf2, its a diffeent time. A very different time. We could mod games then, the engines were simpler. We can't now for the most part. Its like carts versus cars. Once upon a time, you could build your own carriage/ cart... Now you must buy a car. No DIYs

I'm waiting for BF3 for storyline and experience - Fullstop. I play, I enjoy the witty dialogue, I enjoy the twists, I hope the gameplay is fun enough for me to keep enjoying the game, and if it is fun enough, I play it once or twice more.

And maybe, I may go online to play there too...

But I enjoy it like I would a COD game, or just another romantic comedy. For its duration. Then I say, that was nice and look for the next best thing

If the next revolutionary game comes along, so be it... But I am not waiting for another Avatar, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings (Movie references), COD1, BF42 (Game ref:s) any time soon.

That's how you get disenchanted.



Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 01-10-2011, 12:10:26
Interesting read (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/) about the differences between Steam and Origin EULAs.
I´d take this article more serious than some biased guys opinion who tries to sugercoat this issue with improper analogies.

No, im sorry but the writer of this artivle is speculating.

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You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services..

Thats something different than what the autor wrote:

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What you’re agreeing to is for EA to have a free pass to scan your PC and gather absolutely anything it wants.

They specifically state "related" information. If they cross this invicible line it would be dealed with within privacy law.
Whatever this related information is though, is the shady part. We as customers are not aware of what sort of information they are after and gather.

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they say they intend to take such information, combine it with personal information about you, and use it to advertise directly to you. However, when selling on this free-for-all on your computer’s contents, they’ll at least remove personally identifying information.

He/she makes it sound like theyre checking when and with you your having sex with. Whilst the agreement is aiming at online game behaviour, system specifications and what not.
I bet steam is doing this aswel.


I'm not saying i agree with these terms and what its going to be in the future, but its not yet as bad as people make it sound.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 12:10:21
They specifically state "related" information. If they cross this invicible line it would be dealed with within privacy law.
Whatever this related information is though, is the shady part. We as customers are not aware of what sort of information they are after and gather.
Related to what? See, the point is, these EULAs are so wide-ranging that it is hard to draw the line. What keeps them from scanning things that are not game related? They didn´t say that they´ll only collect "BF3 related information", but instead their EULAs say that they can have access to your whole hardware and software.
The "invisible line" you´re talking about isn´t really a "line" anymore, but merely gets blurred and grey, since there´s no restriction.
Steam on the other hand collects data, too, that´s correct. But they clearly state in their EULAs that they need a users permission to handle personal information and if a user declines the data won´t be used (for example the surveys, Steam does from time to time). Additionally Steam limits itself to Steam related data (as the article says, and as the Steam EULAs say), whereas Origins EULAs are general. That´s the main difference.

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He/she makes it sound like theyre checking when and with you your having sex with. Whilst the agreement is aiming at online game behaviour, system specifications and what not.
Of course they´re not spying into their costumers bed rooms and I know that services, such as Amazon and Google already send you personalized advertisements, but they do that because of your shpopping/browsing behaviour (passive use of user submitted data) and not because they scan your harddrive, find out that you like certain things because of what you´ve got stored on your HD and use this actively collected data to send you advertisements. I hope you understand the difference and how Origin´s shady EULAs can actually intrude into your privacy.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: LuckyOne on 01-10-2011, 12:10:37
I await BF3, not because I expect it to live up BF42 and Bf2, its a diffeent time. A very different time. We could mod games then, the engines were simpler. We can't now for the most part. Its like carts versus cars. Once upon a time, you could build your own carriage/ cart... Now you must buy a car. No DIYs

Except that there are people who can build cars on their own... And pretty good ones, too... So your analogy is invalid. And making games has nothing to do with cars IMO... Cars are physical things... Games are intellectual properties... You don't need raw materials to make them... just programs... Besides nobody talks about making them, just modding existing ones... Like Natty once said... FH 2 is just a "skin" for BF 2... When you play it you play 90 % BF 2 and 10 % FH 2. So I don't think that making a "skin" for newer games would be that harder... Just more time consuming.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 01-10-2011, 13:10:25
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I hope you understand the difference and how Origin´s shady EULAs can actually intrude into your privacy.

You read what you want to read. I havnt read anything wich gives them the legal right to look in to your entire hard disc.
Isnt there anyone who has traced down everything Origin actually checks? To swap from speculations to hard facts.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 13:10:44
You read what you want to read. I havnt read anything wich gives them the legal right to look in to your entire hard disc.
Isnt there anyone who has traced down everything Origin actually checks? To swap from speculations to hard facts.

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...operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware,...

Now go ahead and tell me where they´d have to stop? Application usage, software and software usage can mean basically anything and the reason why I lift more than one eyebrow is that these EULAs are so general. There´s no clear distinction what exactly thy´re going to collect and what exactly they´re going to do with that data and that´s odd, because EULAs (and other contracts) are usually very clear.

It´s not necessarily about private photos or an extensive porn collection users should be worried about, I just think it´s strange that Origin messes with programs it shouldn´t have anthing to do with. Why would they want to know which programs I run on my computer anyway? What will happen if I´d have software on my HD that you could use to rip CDs, read ISO files or download Torrents? Will they delete my account because these programs *could* be used for piracy? Will they simply ignore it?

See, there´s no "clear line" in these EULAs and AFAIk there wasn´t any statement from EA (except that they changed the EULAs again, so users have to agree that they won´t take part in class-action lawsuits against EA) and I´d really, really love to see the clear and straight facts, together with a statement from EA what they´re going to do an where they´ll stop.
But neither has happened to my knowledge so I´m not "reading what I want to read" (I´m not that stubborn) but rather wait untill we´ve got clear results and hard facts that can disprove my doubts.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 14:10:49
homer, you're not Michael Jackson, no one cares about your computer

(http://www.samtycke.nu/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/20110118_tin_foil_hat.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Beaufort on 01-10-2011, 14:10:44
Then why EA wants to scan everything in it ?  :(

I was a fan of Battlefield but this plus no mod tools means I simply won't buy it. And don't tell me they need this shit, they did perfectly well so far without it. Good for them they dont care about taking the Modern Warfare fanbase and loosing their own, I guess they don't have pride or something ...

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 14:10:50
ever heard of Steam?  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Beaufort on 01-10-2011, 14:10:09
Yes i have.

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* Steam doesn’t link the software/hardware survey results to the Steam account.

* Steam doesn’t check the software/hardware survey results at each boot or at anytime (exception : if you’re randomly picked again). It is a complete hoax.

* Steam doesn’t sell the software/hardware survey results to third parties.

* Steam software/hardware survey results are displayed publicly, available to anyone at this page : http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

... and btw I dont like steam either.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 14:10:48
then dont worry about Origin, lol  ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 14:10:01
homer, you're not Michael Jackson, no one cares about your computer

http://www.samtycke.nu/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/20110118_tin_foil_hat.jpg (http://www.samtycke.nu/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/20110118_tin_foil_hat.jpg)
I´d like to see the hard facts and hear that from EA themselves (best would be changed EULAs) and not from some DICE-guy who´s going all Baghdad-Bob in order to "defend" his companies product.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 01-10-2011, 14:10:05
Just played Metro 1 hour straight and im really into it right now. Not that i enjoy playing the same map over and over so 1 hour is the max.

Now.. where would be the cheapeast place to buy this game ;D.. anyone?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Biiviz on 01-10-2011, 14:10:00
They did change some of it after a lot of people got upset. I think it was the part about selling the information to 3rd parties.

Can't be arsed to check it right now.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 15:10:30
dice guy?.. "defend product"?... lol, you need to get out from your bubble dude... that tin foil hat must be squeezing really tight  ;D

Newsflash: Im no dice-guy, and what relevance does it have what I do for a living? what do you work with? making foil-hats and sell on www.conspiracies.com?.. Im also not "defending" any product, why would I do that? to brain-wash you?

just.. LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 15:10:21
They did change some of it after a lot of people got upset. I think it was the part about selling the information to 3rd parties.

Can't be arsed to check it right now.
Yeah, just checked it, they changed the point where they could sell users data for marketing reasons, the rest about checking users hardware, software etc. wasn´t changed, though.
Source (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield-3/news/6331203/ea-changes-origin-eula)

Natty-Bob, being concerned about EULAs that can be abused to such an extent doesn´t have anything to do with being "paranoid". You wouldn´t sign a contract which you have doubts about, right?
You´re profile says you´re 34, but you have the argumentation style and writing skill of a 12 year old, you might want to work on that. ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 15:10:42
"being abused"  ;D yea.... you know what, it's not like I have the time, interest or energy in to writing posts here well. It's not worth it.  I know you try hard, but the more you try, the less sense you make. You simply "haven't got it"

Just look at your post... "abuse".... EA, one of the largest game publishers in the world, about to launch one of the biggest shooter games ever... and you, worry that they will abuse their platform?  ;D it's laughable, really... pathetic even.. What do you think is going to happen? I mean.. really, what's the extent of this potential "abuse"?.

Just accept the fact that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about and we can move on. Trust me, you'll feel a whole lot better. In the meantime, Ill happily link back to this conversation a few weeks after the retail game is out, so you can read your posts again. At least then, you will realize how silly you sounded, with the conspiracies and paranoid anti-Origin propaganda. you know when the world didn't end, and EA didn't empty everyones bank-accounts or stole their identities.

If you want to keep using my job or age as insults because you lack arguments, please do so, it only makes you look smaller in all this  :-* making things personal is always the first step toward losing an argument, please continue doing that.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 01-10-2011, 15:10:51
OkOk, but i saw a link somewhere wherre they sold bf3 for the magical price of 23 pounds. Is it trustworthy and wich site is it :p.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 15:10:58
*snip*

I´m looking forward to it.

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If you want to keep using my job or age as insults because you lack arguments, please do so, it only makes you look smaller in all this  :-* making things personal is always the first step toward losing an argument, please continue doing that.
"What comes around, goes around".
You were insulting and ridiculing people with other opinions all the time (see either this thread, the RO2 thread or basically any other thread where you try to "lecture" people why their ideas and suggestions are wrong), so it actually shouldn´t be a surprise that they start ridiculing you, too. Your "clashes" with other moderators and forum members clearly show that...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 01-10-2011, 15:10:15
OkOk, but i saw a link somewhere wherre they sold bf3 for the magical price of 23 pounds. Is it trustworthy and wich site is it :p.

Here you go:
CJS Cdkeys (http://www.cjs-cdkeys.com/search.php?mode=1&search_query_adv=battlefield+3&brand=11&ISSelectReplacement_category%5B%5D%5B%5D=22&ISSelectReplacement_category%5B%5D%5B%5D=13&category%5B%5D=22&category%5B%5D=13&searchsubs=ON&price_from=&price_to=&featured=&shipping=1)

It's a trustworthy site. People checked and the EA Chat confirmed. You will receive a mail with the scan on release day (oct 23rd). The only drawback is that (I think) you don't get the BTK pack.

Edit: nvm;
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Battlefield 3 limited edition includes a 'Back To Karkland' map pack,

So, buy limited edition for half the price and no drawbacks at all! :D
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 16:10:05
You were insulting and ridiculing people with other opinions all the time
yea... I insult people on the internet... yup.. that's me...riiiight...  ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Smiles on 01-10-2011, 16:10:28
Thanks a lot Sander. How does it work though, do i get a link to the download of fullgame ? Or...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Eglaerinion on 01-10-2011, 16:10:46
Why don't you people stop bitching and start playing some more. Even though the beta map does not feel much like Battlefield but more like Medal of Honor, as in infantry only and the infantry combat feels similar. There are so many good new features added. Some things we have wanted for ages from battlefield, like a proper suppression system, deployable bipods, great animations for movement and traversing objects (although still wonky sometimes). Some features have been sacrificed to make the game more suitable for the mainstream gamer. Well it happens for every game and it's something you just have to live with if you want to play the game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 16:10:43
well Eglaerinion, this certain dude seems to have made it his mission in life to preach to the world how rotten and evil all big gaming companies are, and that they will "spy" on you  ;D those dudes are a dime-a-dozen though, and I cant help to try and talk sense in to them, usually they get it.. but there's always that one dude...  ::)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 01-10-2011, 16:10:22
Thanks a lot Sander. How does it work though, do i get a link to the download of fullgame ? Or...

They buy a retail copy for you at stock price, which they will then simply scan. You can then read the Cd-key / code off this scan and use it to activate the game on Origin.
You'll be able to download it as if you had bought it on Origin itself. ;)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Fuchs on 01-10-2011, 16:10:23
Actually there's these two guys Natty, both just keep bitching and bitching. If one would stop.. Hey, then it would be over!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 16:10:33
Quote from: Nattylink=topic=1046.msg226090#msg226090 date=1317478385
yea... I insult people on the internet... yup.. that's me...riiiight...  ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
Congrats, just a quick look at your post history in this forum shows that it´s actually "you". Inner examination is the first step towards self improvement, so go ahead.  ;)
And another small hint that it´s not just "one dude":
http://www.facebook.com/battlefield (http://www.facebook.com/battlefield)
A quick look at the comments will show that there´s a good number of people who aren´t happy with what EA/DICE have presented so far. So either all of them are "stupid dudes" or somethings wrong.
And a little bit more (http://www.reddit.com/comments/hy24b/battlefield_3_preorder_dlc_boycott_coordination/). The community seems to be split...50% doesn´t really look like a one-guy-partisan action to me.
TheCyncialBrit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db7-m0YuNU8&feature=channel_video_title) has some interesting points aswell. See, Natty, it´s not me against the world, it´s more complicated than that.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-10-2011, 16:10:38
I have seen many people dissapointed a bit

My mate couldnt understand the Fuss about this game. It is a slightly better BC2 with deployable MG's and jets...
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 01-10-2011, 17:10:40
blocking origin spying - check!
stupid regen health - harcore mode fixes that.check!

So, thing i don't like about BF3? Battlelog. WHY!? why can't i just click the icon, game starts up, select "multiplayer" choose the server i want and play? I don't mind Origin in the background (blocked ofc) but this website thing is pure bullshit.
at least give me a choice. Is it really that hard to make both website based and In-game server browser?
like in BF2? with ability to change options? . I mean i can click "Team Fortress 2" icon, Steam starts up without even disturbing me
i click "server browser" select the server i want and play. WHAT was wrong with that?

I bet that in next battlefield (4? BC3?) that are going to advertise "revolution in gaming! you can select server, and check your stats without having to fire up your internet browser!"  just like they were showing off with ability to go prone.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 01-10-2011, 17:10:25
So, no way of creating a squad in game, oohhhh shit, goes from bad to worse.  What the hell are you doing DICE?!?!?!??!

https://twitter.com/#!/zh1nt0/status/120072134226751488

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: kummitus on 01-10-2011, 17:10:14
What I wonder why they didn't put the website thingy into the origin. Steam's store is basically a regular  web browser, I guess origin is not that far from it so should be more than possible to do.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 01-10-2011, 18:10:11
What I wonder why they didn't put the website thingy into the origin. Steam's store is basically a regular  web browser, I guess origin is not that far from it so should be more than possible to do.

That's what the community is suggesting. But will DICE listen? Nah, they're that stubborn.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: bjack on 01-10-2011, 18:10:32
The beta is a blast despite only playing one map.  The suppression system is great.  Bipods are a nice addition.  The gunplay in general feels great.  You don't have to unload an entire assault rifle clip to kill someone.  I am quite pleasantly surprised the weapons aren't weak, nerfy toys!  Plenty of gadgets to add to your weapons.  Great stuff imo. 

I just wish I was able to play more than a half hour on Caspian Border, aka the real Battlefield map.

Downsides so far are:  dorritos all around,  tanks don't come with a coax MG as in BC2.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 01-10-2011, 18:10:31
tanks don't come with a coax MG as in BC2.

The tanks never came with a coax in BC2, it was a stupid perk.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 19:10:24
That's what the community is suggesting. But will DICE listen? Nah, they're that stubborn.
yes lol, because the community is such great designers (lol!)  ;D
The tanks never came with a coax in BC2, it was a stupid perk.
brilliant perk.. it's the same in bfp4f.. it's great to keep coax as an unlock. It makes vehicle skills matter more, and makes vehicle behaviour less predictable. Players love it.

desperately grasping for links to help me seem less confused
yea, the world outside your tinfoil island is big dear and scary homerjay.. there are many many people in the world, and since bf3 is such a big big product with millions and millions of fans, isn't it flat-out amazing that some of them dont like it?  :o

I mean.. here I was, fully expecting 100% of all the people in the world to love it unconditionally... man, so wrong I was.... wait a minute, you tell me that people on facebook actually have something negative to say? my world is shattered, we need to call Time magazine, this is front page stuff!

Don't you have more random links to sites where people say negative things about games or other forms of entertainment?  I so wish to read it, it really enlightens my life  ::)

To summarize this little freakshow: Bf3 is soon released, You need Origin to play it, the end.
What you think about it, matters so little in the world, Im sure that if I take a spit in the atlantic, and I wait 1 week for it to dissolve, my spit will be more visible from the moon than what you think about bf3 has had any impact on the interwebz. funny thing is, you will buy BF3, you will play it, you will like it, you will complain about things, but 6months from now, when you fully have realized exactly why and how things work in this new online experience, you'll look back at this thread and think quietly for yourself "ooooh.... that is what he meant...."

See you then, kthxBai :-*

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQaxXJfQyPqUQLiS3CRBMu8gbDJ4upcDOePDYyHvw1MJySggj9O7A)
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-10-2011, 19:10:42
Not this time Natty

Not this time

I bought every battlefield from day 1 of release(exept BF1942 i never heard of it before, bought it a year after release)

BF3, origen, your little marketing speech just over there. Has made me doubting this game very much
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 01-10-2011, 19:10:34
yes lol, because the community is such great designers (lol!)  ;D

It's called feedback. Origin fails, end of the story. You require internet to play, you need to do everything through origin, and it fails to connect sometimes saying that you should check your connection but the connection it's fine.

The community "whining" can help to make decisions, like when they didnt want to include commorose, and now is for the full game.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kradovech on 01-10-2011, 19:10:45
The beta is a blast despite only playing one map.  The suppression system is great.  Bipods are a nice addition.  The gunplay in general feels great.  You don't have to unload an entire assault rifle clip to kill someone.  I am quite pleasantly surprised the weapons aren't weak, nerfy toys!  Plenty of gadgets to add to your weapons.  Great stuff imo. 

I just wish I was able to play more than a half hour on Caspian Border, aka the real Battlefield map.

Downsides so far are:  dorritos all around,  tanks don't come with a coax MG as in BC2.
I have to admit, a suppression effect and the bipod thing are a nice surprise, something I would not have expected from this game. But all those damn downsides....
Any news on any mods? Or rather, is there any way to even slightly change the core game, maybe server side? . I'm assuming that changing weapon recoil for example is too much to ask, but would it be possible to change the damage done by different weapons or remove certain features?
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: THeTA0123 on 01-10-2011, 19:10:30
Plus, all in all, there is truly NOTHING NEW whatsoever about BF3...
Can you name me one thing that BF3 has what other games dont have?

Exept origen ofcourse
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 01-10-2011, 19:10:45
Making himself look like a ridiculous child.
Once again.
Well done, well done. You´ve shown once again that it´s impossible to discuss things in an intelligent and reasonable way with you.

In the end I won´t change a thing, but that´s not even my intention. I merely stated which "features" of the game make me reconsider buying BF3, yet you damn each and every of my posts as the rambling of an "immature, big agency fearing, conspiracy-loving dude".
Even though I get "support" from other forum members, who feel the same as I do, you keep me in your crosshairs and try to make me look ridiculous, without going into the critized points others posted as well. You basically ignore the others while you hand out insults and mockery. Kudos!

Your "tactics" of making the other party of a discussion look bad and "stoopid" might work when 10 year olds do it ("I´m right and you stink, hahaha lolz!", "no you stink!"), but it´s a damn shame seeing this behaviour coming from a more or less educated adult who has spent some years on this planet.

I won´t go into details why a 50-50 "like/dislike"-mix by 32000 members of a closed community actually does matter (you might want to check out how poll forecasts work), since you will try to insult me with "tinfoil hat"-pics once more, but I´m fairly sure that there´s a good number of others here and in countless other forums (even in the EA forums, where complaints-threads are being closed fairly quick, so much to being open for criticism) who see this whole monkey business, too.

In the end it´s a win-win situation anyway. EA/DICE can milk their cow because enough people will buy the game and I save 50 Euros I can spend otherwise, without missing anything.
And that´s the important point, which needs no further discussion. So unless you have anything constructive to say about the game´s mechanics in a civilized manner I´m out of this discussion. Have fun at whatever you do, l´ll do this thread a favour and from now on simply ignore what you say and see you being torn appart by other forum members. To use your "internet slang": KTHXBAI!
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 19:10:27
It's called feedback. Origin fails, end of the story.
"fails"... really? does EA know? maybe you should call them and tell them this, Im sure they'll be delighted to get that information. Maybe they will hire you as senior platform producer, so you can make it right.

j/k... millions of players will be using Origin to play BF3. is that "fail"?.. I think not.

@homerdude.. I didnt read your last post.. i scrolled past it, because tbh.. Im bored with you now, you were amusing in the beginning, with your links and attempts to gather a "posse" (we who unite against the evil of EA and origin  :D) but now you're just zzzzz repeating yourself and will never, ever, get any point across. Goodnight.  8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5GtohtRYU&feature=player_detailpage#t=42s
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Kelmola on 01-10-2011, 20:10:19
brilliant perk.. it's great to keep coax as an unlock. Players love it.
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7484/wtfreading.png)
funny thing is, you will buy BF3, you will play it, you will like it, you will complain about things, but 6months from now, when you fully have realized exactly why and how things work in this new online experience, you'll look back at this thread and think quietly for yourself "ooooh.... that is what he meant...."
Unless mod tools are released and until quality mods are available, I will not buy BF3, I will not play it, I will not like it as vanilla no matter what, and this "new online experience" translates to "silly COD-like shooter for ADHD kids".
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Musti on 01-10-2011, 20:10:35
Pity. This game is looking really good. Some brilliant things i saw there. Yet its all ruined by stupid things like Origin, Battlelog thingy and such. For the first time ever i really hope a game gets "yarred"
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Yustax on 01-10-2011, 20:10:34
j/k... millions of players will be using Origin to play BF3. is that "fail"?.. I think not.

It's an awful way to start the game. Origin sometimes crashes, you need to CREATE an MANAGE squads, in battlelog! Not in game! You need to alt+tab, the game to even change the settings! You dont have a menu anymore, not even a serverbrowser but just origin and battle fail log. And sometimes, even the PLAY NOW button is buggy. Battlelog/Origin at the very least should be integrated INTO the game, like STEAM is, and it works excellent.

Unless mod tools are released and until quality mods are available, I will not buy BF3, I will not play it, I will not like it as vanilla no matter what, and this "new online experience" translates to "silly COD-like shooter for ADHD kids".

Exactly my thoughts as well. BF3 has too nobofied features, too many to count and the core gameplay values are being stripped away. No mod tools, no buy from me.

Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Thorondor123 on 01-10-2011, 20:10:59
Get on with it then? :P

EA/DICE has never released their own mod tools, the BF42/BF2 mods were made with tools made by the modders.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Sander93 on 01-10-2011, 20:10:05
j/k... millions of players will be using Origin to play BF3. is that "fail"?.. I think not.

The fact that players will be enforced to use it to be able to play doesn't mean it can't be shitty. Your argument holds no value whatsoever lol.

The concept is rather good and modern and I like it. The way it works right now however, is simply shit.
Title: Re: Battlefield 3
Post by: Natty on 01-10-2011, 20:10:26
The fact that players will be enforced to use it to be able to play doesn't mean it can't be shitty. Your argument holds no value whatsoever lol.