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Cover Fire
« on: 22-10-2010, 22:10:24 »
If you're in a full squad, don't forget to take some time out and lay some cover/distractive fire.  Lure the enemy away from your team and respawn on Squad Leader.

If you have an heavy MG, aim for the windows, shadows, everything.

Lay suppressing fire and burn a clip for cover fire's sake.

It really helps!
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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #1 on: 22-10-2010, 23:10:54 »
I haven't found any use of cover fire in this game. Problem is, that people don't actually fear enemy MG fire, so they can just pop up and snipe MG gunner, specially if he is shooting at every shadow and window without real target.

Only on few occasions we have kept enemy inside building with supressing fire, in order to get our SMG guys inside without getting shot on yard. But as said, this situation is really, really rare.

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #2 on: 23-10-2010, 00:10:50 »
and you can't really change that without changing the penalty.

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #3 on: 23-10-2010, 00:10:54 »
i dunno, when i am in cover and a MG42 fires at my cover, im keeping my head down

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #4 on: 23-10-2010, 00:10:19 »
i dunno, when i am in cover and a MG42 fires at my cover, im keeping my head down



Same.  I always try to play like I only have one life though.  Just the same, I use cover fire all the time, and will empty even rifle clips at windows that I know enemies are behind.

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #5 on: 23-10-2010, 00:10:33 »
I wish that the supression effect was better. I also do the same though

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #6 on: 23-10-2010, 13:10:55 »


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Same.  I always try to play like I only have one life though.  Just the same, I use cover fire all the time, and will empty even rifle clips at windows that I know enemies are behind.
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YES von mudra at last someone who does what I do. And sometimes if you just keep shooting the window they will look out and catch a bullet. Sometimes I will empty clips of anything I have at a tank to distract it while our tanks or AT guys try to engage him , The line the american airborne unit says in Company of heroes where if you tell them to attack a tank but you havent upgraded them with recoiless rifles , " FIRE YOUR RIFLES IT'LL DISTRACT HIM AT LEAST" !!!

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #7 on: 23-10-2010, 13:10:09 »
Yeah well ofcourse I'm not so stupid that I run into enemy fire, but for me it doesn't really matter if it few riflemen or machinegun looking open space. Both will kill with first shot and neither of them can do anything if they shoot just for sake of covering fire.

I just think it helps alot more to actually take aimed shots.

 And dare you shoot "covering fire" in my tank, I will rage.  ;)
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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #8 on: 23-10-2010, 15:10:06 »
i dunno, when i am in cover and a MG42 fires at my cover, im keeping my head down



ingame reaction = hold still and hope he misses you/doesn't see you
IRL= curl up in a ball and cry to your mommy.

It may hold you down for a little bit, but you have no fear of the enemy gunner.  Hence all the people that just pop up and shoot the gunner when they think they have a shot.  if you shoot the guy in the window, good for you.  Now he knows your position and will find you in 15 seconds.

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #9 on: 23-10-2010, 18:10:12 »
I would say covering fire is quite important when others are running against a flag. Of course aimed shots as covering fire is the best, but anyhow its better than nothin, since the defenders rather shoot the one giving covering fire rather than the ones who charge (hopefully) .   Then hopefully the chargers have managed to cap the flag before the dead defenders have spawned again. Of course it depends on each and every situation, how many attackers there are, how easy it is to get unseen to the flag ...etc.

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #10 on: 24-10-2010, 02:10:00 »
It does have some use. Its useless with most guns, which it shouldn't be, but the whip of a close bullet is enough for me to instinctively reach for prone or dash to cover. That sustained in itself is enough to keep most players hidden.

For mgs, well, bots do it quite effectively with bipod mgs and especially the recoiless stationary ones, but with LMGs, its only enough to get me pissed

In maps like PDH, I do use the BAR sometimes, but without a clear axis of advance and almost pixel aiming it would take a bit of work on changing game mechanics somewhat to allow for this type of tactic to play a real role

Say for instance, if suppression didn't only blurr but reduced the suppressed person's accuracy with each shot, then he'd have to get out off there before he is pinned, flanked and executed or remain pinned and hope to god it ends

But it does enjoy some marginal success, but ya... if the nay-sayers will stop saying nay for the hell of it, we could actually work to improve it as a tactical consideration

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #11 on: 24-10-2010, 05:10:40 »
I like that idea Djinn, dont know if its possible but it'll be amazing to see it!

I also try to play like if it was real life or something, taking cover, walking/taking cover behind tanks, etc, for myself because i enjoy it alot. Giving covering fire however, its not usefull.

Combat in FH2 is mostly fast, ends real quick. You cant gather enough information to give Effective covering fire. Lets say theres a MG42 firing at your Squad position, you're all behind Cover. Once the SL yells to the Selected men "Covering Fire" the MG42 has killed them all. Why? because when you get shot and you rush for the Cover, it doesnt give you enough time to see where is the Firing coming from, and when you start giving "Covering Fire" you're doing it totally blind, shooting at anything, totally missing the targer, thus getting killed easily.

If the combat was a bit slower (Alot of Deviation like in PR) Then covering fire will be ALOT more usefull, but ALOT MORE. Because when you do Covering fire you dont feel Supressed, you're basically fighting fire with fire. I believe 4-6 Garands is enough to supress a single MG42.


Also, with a slower combat mod, as soon as the MG spots you, it'll start firing, since theres alot of Deviation, no bullet will hit you, then you'll know where the MG is, you take cover, gather information and even make a quick plan to take it out.



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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #12 on: 24-10-2010, 09:10:06 »
4-6 garands is in no way able to supress a single MG42.  Its a well known fact that a single MG42 in normandy was easily able to out gun an entire ami squad, and once paired with a full german squad of riflemen and SMGers, the german squads simply had complete dominance on a 1:1 matchup with an american or british squad.

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #13 on: 24-10-2010, 15:10:48 »
4-6 garands is in no way able to supress a single MG42.  Its a well known fact that a single MG42 in normandy was easily able to out gun an entire ami squad, and once paired with a full german squad of riflemen and SMGers, the german squads simply had complete dominance on a 1:1 matchup with an american or british squad.

I find it annoyingly hard to return fire on even bots spraying MG42 at me. Besides that, are the British bots that have the ability to fire Bren gun from the hip.

So you can actually "snipe" the gunner, but you have to have some l33t skillz doing it. Seriously with all the blur and facing open field, there are chance that besides the gunner, you might as well exposed to other soldiers (bots open fire several metres away). Thus it is best to keep heads down when being fired, and wait until he stops for reloading or moving away.

If we choose to fight with all the blurs in your screen and risk death with 15 seconds to go (which I sometimes do), the advancing squad would have successfully neutralize the flag first before we are able to respawn.

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Re: Cover Fire
« Reply #14 on: 10-01-2011, 18:01:57 »
Anctoville - whole map is about whos got the most supressing fire.  If only there was a few boxes in the road or some sand bags to place the lewis behind the push-off could be a walk in the park for brits.
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