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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #720 on: 18-06-2015, 22:06:30 »
Personally I'm also a fan of the theory that Stannis will be Lord Commander nr. 1000. After he has lost all, he goes there. No lands, no glory, no wife, no kids.

That doesn't really fit with his (the show's) character though, as he is completely convinced he is the one and true heir to the throne and he has shown he will do anything to be king of Westeros. Even burning his own daughter if that's what it takes.

I don't think such a man would accept defeat and go live out his days at the wall. I think he'd rather commit suicide upon realizing he failed 'his destiny'.

This is a book theory, I should've made that clear. In the show I think Stanley Barton will go with Brienne to fetch Sansa, doubt they killed him.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #721 on: 19-06-2015, 17:06:23 »
http://watchersonthewall.com/more-casting-info-for-game-of-thrones-season-6/

Previously confirmed were the Tarly's but now we also seem to be getting a new Greatjon and perhaps Lord Manderly. Also..

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Legendary Fighter:  A man in his thirties or forties who is a great swordsman and a paragon of knighthood. He carries a famous sword.  The show is seeking a very impressive swordsman for the role- the  best in Europe, for a week of filming fight scenes for a season 6 role. His ethnicity/race isn’t specified, unlike many other roles.
Ser Arthur Dayne, anyone? Tower of Joy flashback incoming.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #722 on: 20-06-2015, 20:06:43 »
Prrrobably.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #723 on: 27-07-2015, 17:07:55 »
Stannis shows compromise when he rode North, abandoning his passion for King's Landing.

Varys is another major plot hole, a deemed Targaryen loyalist, yet so adamant to killing the last of the Dragons by "for the realm" excuse at first. He is repeatedly shown trying to pitch the Lion against the Wolf to that Pentosi guy. I think it started to make the TV series seems weaker by days. The season 5 was rather slow and throw in all the climaxes at the end. The finale was so abrupt, unnecessary, and easily predictable.

Nothing beats Season 2 or Season 3. Season 4 was modest, but great. Season 5 is the worst (amongst GoT shows, but overall still a brilliant show) I guess.


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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #724 on: 28-07-2015, 03:07:48 »
Stannis shows compromise when he rode North, abandoning his passion for King's Landing.

Varys is another major plot hole, a deemed Targaryen loyalist, yet so adamant to killing the last of the Dragons by "for the realm" excuse at first. He is repeatedly shown trying to pitch the Lion against the Wolf to that Pentosi guy. I think it started to make the TV series seems weaker by days. The season 5 was rather slow and throw in all the climaxes at the end. The finale was so abrupt, unnecessary, and easily predictable.

Nothing beats Season 2 or Season 3. Season 4 was modest, but great. Season 5 is the worst (amongst GoT shows, but overall still a brilliant show) I guess.

The Varys plot hole is solely because in the books he's not what he is in the show and Season 1 is very close to the books. You must remember how adamant he is about killing the girl and that the only thing that saved her is Jorah Mormont, not Varys pretending to kill her.

On hindsight they should've dealt with that in Season 1, but they probably also tried to stick closer to the books in the beginning, that fell apart after Season 2 though. Such a shame because Varys' plan was way cooler than this anti-climatic reveal.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #725 on: 28-07-2015, 17:07:08 »
I re-watched Season 1 to remember what it was like. I tried to see things from both Varys and Littlefinger's POV, because it seems that the destiny of most of the characters in GoT (the TV) is pretty much plotted by these two clever fellows. Of course, Littlefinger failed his objective, because Eddard being daft, Robert being the typical drunkard, and Joffrey is mad.

Varys failed as well because Cersei is a smartarse, Joffrey having mental issues, and Tywin also being similarly tight-arse and daft like Eddard. This also brings me to question Tywin's motive. Yes, it was Joffrey who makes him wield more power. But he can clearly controls Joffrey, why try to appease this grandson of him, who behaves way more unruly than a whoring bastard dwarf could ever possibly do? Clearly the plot writers missed a lot of things. The book probably offers more interesting explanations, but the TV show is beginning to show more and more chinks in the armour.

My biggest gripe is Robb Stark, he has a lot to proof, because I watched his arrogance in Season 1. The prideful and unruly Northerners even found a shred of humility to grant him the title "King of the North". Shows how much tolerance they gave this hormonal boy. He won the war yes, but repeatedly dismissed his advisers. "Pass the sentence must swing the sword" my arse. He broke a vow, yet beheaded his distant relative for a dissent because he has to . It kinda makes it easier to re-watch the Red Wedding numerous times. In the book, he is a much more honourable and true-to-the-words responsible young man.

I guess, it won't be as exciting, but I just want to see the end. I know that guile, cunning, and wisdom wins. People who are too stuck with his/her goals in the end will fail or die trying. Both Petyr and Varys failed many of his objectives, but they are extremely flexible. Tyrion has the most and modest goal of all with all that 3 winning traits. He might have loved a woman, but he found the courage to lie to save them both. Jon Snow, yes, he is too stiff with his love, compassion, and honour... but it is the only way for him to be honourably discharged from the Night's Watch vow. Unlike Robb, he didn't broke any vow if he left the Night's Watch after he dies, since the Watch ended when a Night's Watch died. Jaime, Bronn, Margaery, Olenna are these kind of surviving characters. Cersei will die. Loras too. Jorah might. Daenerys could (if she is no longer important to the plot). Tommen possibly. Grey Worm likely.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #726 on: 28-07-2015, 23:07:17 »
Both in the show and in the books, Varys might be still betting on all horses. Won't get into book spoilers here, but based on show alone---

Varys did send a warning to Ser Friendzone, trusting that he would stop the assassination. Remember, it's he anyway who will arrange for it so he could just as well have purposefully picked a sloppy assassin to guarantee Jorah's succesful rescue.

On the other hand, when the assassination is actually ordered, Dany is not yet the heir apparent: Viserys is. By having Khal Drogo's wife killed and letting the blame fall on the King of Westeros, Drogo and his khalasar would have no choice but to invade unless they want to be the laughing stock of the entire Dothraki, conveniently putting a Targaryen on the throne in the process (which is what almost happens because of the attempt alone). Of course, unknown to Varys, Viserys (being the arrogant oaf he is) gets himself killed before the assassination can even take place, but there you go. (He could have had a built-in failsafe that in case Viserys is dead for whatever reason, the inept assassin gets the job.)

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Regarding Robb Stark, both in the books and in the show he's a horny teenager who follows his wiener when he should have followed his duty, and does not listen to his advisors even if one of them is his mother. On the other hand, the same advisors failed by not taking into account that he's a horny teenager: let him have as many concubines as are required to snog him silly when he's away from his betrothed, and most importantly, keep him from thinking of "falling in love", bah, that's a bard's tale. But all things said, being KINGINDANORF he should have remember that he should not cross his most important ally at the moment, it was his duty to his bannermen and people. (Yeah, there is a possible side plot in the books that may have affected his decision, but nevertheless.)

Also, Robb might be tactically talented, winning every battle, but he's strategically impaired. When his little war is all but lost when The Mannis loses at Blackwater (due to both kings stubbornly refusing any sort of compromise or Lord of Light forbid, an alliance, until their common enemy is actually defeated), the KINGINDANORF still has delusions of grandeur of somehow winning the war alone, even if all his victories are due to never engaging the enemy directly (leading to the utter devastation of the Riverlands in the process). "Late" Frey and Rusemeister B are survivors, and both have to think about their duty to their vassals too; if Robb has his way he keeps on dancing around the Lannister-Tyrell forces to the end, while Lannisters will raze Riverlands to the ground unopposed and take the Twins and Moat Cailin and cut off Robb's escape route to the North, while the unopposed Ironborn keep razing the North to the ground. Sure, Robb could launch a suicidal end run to Casterly Rock and burn that down and then what? He's a thousand miles behind enemy lines in a burned shell of a city.

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Regarding the end, Gurm's original plan was to have Bran, Arya, Jon, Daenerys, and Tyrion to survive (at least) until the grand finale, but no details were given regarding their fate, so everything here is my speculation.

Sansa was not a designated survivor, is it bad news, or not? Though, there is clearly a sexual tension with the Hound (yes, it's even more creepy in the books), who was not shown to have explicitly died. In any case, we would have been already shown both in the books and in the show if Rickon was in any real danger, so he's most likely to make it too and inherit Winterfell (since a tree cannot inherit and sons inherit before daughters). Arya could still become "no one" which is kinda unlikely - her kill list requires her to return to Westeros which she will no doubt somehow accomplish. If she survives, she could become a formidable Master of Whispers. Also, since Gurm's original plan (still apparent in the first book and season, slightly less in later books and seasons) was to ship Arya and Jon, the ending will be "bittersweet" as promised because they cannot marry each other even if they both survive and are no longer half-siblings (only cousins) because duty will require that a resurrected Jon (as if we didn't see that coming) will have to marry his aunt Daenerys in order to unify the realm. Jon's and Dany's bastard cousin Tyrion (the third head of the dragon) will end up ruling as their Hand.

Walder Frey and his kin are walking dead, what with Jon's imminent resurrection, Arya's kill list, and certain other major things from the books that have not yet been in the show. Roose is soon going to be loose against his psycho son (or vice versa), wouldn't be surprised if they kill each other.

Tommen is a goner, Cersei is herself going to cause Maggy the Frog's prophecy to be fulfilled where she will only die after "her tears have drowned her" because "gold will be their shrouds". Considering she's a paranoid alcoholic who even without these traits would be unfit to rule even a single castle, she is most certainly not going to make it either. (The second part of the prophecy is omitted from the show, won't spoil that in case Dungeons & Drogons are going to use that for Season 6 still.)

Jaime, his redemption arc will end with him dying while saving the realm from the Mad Queen (having done the Mad King previously) - namely, Cersei.

Jorah, well, I'm writing him off too because greyscale will most likely drive him to sacrifice himself before he becomes a Stone Man, though he should make it back to Westeros to cause a new epidemic there, it was foreshadowed enough in S4 (a character so far omitted from the show gets the disease in the books, though Jorah is no less self-destructive there either for reasons).

Oh, and since both show and books make it such a big deal that Shireen taught Davos to read, I would bet that as the new King's and/or Queen's - whoever those might be - scribe, or even Grand Maester, he will record in the annals the Song of Ice and Fire.

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Re: Game of Thrones
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #729 on: 06-08-2015, 00:08:43 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uC-YKu24So
that was...pretty spot on
Not much in the way of proofreading apparently: first Hitler tells everyone who is not a Dany fan to leave yet rants against her later, also, "Boltons" is never capitalized, one sentence is missing the beginning "defeated hundreds of thousands of wildlings".

Alas, Stannis supporters will never quit ranting because the fat man will never complete TWOW that would blow them out of water.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #730 on: 16-02-2016, 14:02:10 »
I'm a bit slow, but there is this new teaser, 2 days old. Spoiler warning.

Game of Thrones Season 6: Hall of Faces Tease (HBO)

I'm just watching season 5 after not having watched for about a year. I forgot some things that appeared to be unimportant. Maybe someone knows.

1. The squire of Brienne of Tarth, who's son was he? He was supposed to better leave King's Landing, I just don't remember why.
2. That young boy who is with the sparrows, that got the pentagram carved into his forhead, later blaming Cersei for her sins, where did he came from? How does he know? I really can't remember.

I usually imagine my own sounds with it, like `tjunk, tupdieyupdiedee` aaa enemy spotted, ratatatataboom

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #731 on: 16-02-2016, 15:02:40 »
Brienne's squire is Podrick Payne, son of Ilyn Payne. He probably had to leave King's Landing due to him being associated with Tyrion. (At least, that's what I remember)
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #732 on: 16-02-2016, 20:02:17 »
That young boy who is with the sparrows, that got the pentagram carved into his forhead, later blaming Cersei for her sins, where did he came from? How does he know? I really can't remember.
Lancel Lannister, cousin to Cersei and Jaime. Back in S1 Cersei seduced him (frakking him well into S2) and had him spike King Robert's wine so that the boar would kill him. (Of course, in the books he is only one of many men with whom Cersei exchanges sex for services.)

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #733 on: 17-02-2016, 01:02:52 »
Wow. You're really good. Thank you.

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« Reply #734 on: 17-02-2016, 18:02:15 »
Either spike or give him "too much" wine during the hunt.

Then, Lancel was in the fight when Stannis tried to invade King's Landing. He was wounded, dumped, and forced to remove Joffrey from the battle, nearly risking defeat. All of the sudden, we saw him already with the fanatics.