italian stuff

[THeTA0123]

No not really

I just see this was the "real" war of the Italians...It was their plan,their design,their army and their attack so this was their own real battle(well until the Germans got bored and attacked too).Not that Africa or Defense of Italy was any less theirs but this attack was completely theirs.

Sure but then the greeks need their weapons aswel. Do you have a list maybe of what weapons they used? and planes? and any tanks or vehicles?

[MaJ.P.Bouras]

Of course i do... If you remember my first post here was about Greek army . I have complete info of what is needed weapons/planes/Artillery/vehicles .

[THeTA0123]

Of course i do... If you remember my first post here was about Greek army . I have complete info of what is needed weapons/planes/Artillery/vehicles .

link please 

[Vincent Von Krüger]

i can also help with this.

weapons used except Axis Captured wich the allies provided was

SMLE Lee Enfield mostly Mk2 and Mk3, Mannlicher-Schönauer and also M1 Garand

EPK (Pyrkal) Machine gun(an Submachinegun wich is a pure Greek weapon and proparbly the only one made during the second world war).

Thompson Submachinegun and the only Machinegun they did have was an old relic from the 1st World War

Schwarzlose MG M.07/12

[MaJ.P.Bouras]

planes:

Fighter:
Bloch MB-151

Bomber:
Potez 63

Weapons :

Small Arms & Support Weapons (MMGs & Mortars) used by the Greek Army:

•EPK (Pyrkal) Sub-Machine gun
•Mannlicher-Schonauer 6.5mm M1903/14 Rifle
•Hotchkiss 8mm Light Machine Gun
•St. Etienne Medium Machine Gun
•Greek Gras Mle 1874 rifle

Anti-Tank Weapons

•0.55" Boys Anti-Tank Rifle (British)
•20mm Solothurn Anti-Tank Rifle (Captured from Italians)
•37mm L/45 Anti-Tank Gun (German PaK35)
•47mm L/32 Anti-Tank Gun (Captured from Italians)

Anti-Aircraft Weapons

•20mm L/113 AA Gun (German FlaK30)
•37mm L/98 AA Gun (German FlaK36)
•88mm L/56 AA Gun (German FlaK18)
Field, Medium, and Heavy Artillery

Artillery

•75mm L/19 Field Howitzer
•85mm L/35 Schneider Field Gun (French)
•105mm L/19 Field Howitzer
Armoured Fighting Vehicles (Tanks, Armoured Cars, Carriers) used by the Greek Army:

•AFVs of the Greek Army
Other Vehicles & Equipment used by the Greek Army:

•Italian Pavesi (Heavy) Artillery Tractor

Most info was taken from this site:
http://ww2greece.wargaming.info/index.htm

About the Grass Rifle: http://greek-war-equipment.blogspot.com/2009/06/gras-rifle.html#comment-form

[Graf_Radetzky(CZ)]

hehe, greek army would be great for NML, Hotchkiss, St. Etienne etc. But, as wrote Panzergeneral, did they use Schwarzlose? It was Austro-hungarian.

[Vincent Von Krüger]

hehe, greek army would be great for NML, Hotchkiss, St. Etienne etc. But, as wrote Panzergeneral, did they use Schwarzlose? It was Austro-hungarian.

yes they purchased some and there were talks back then to make a pure Hellenic machinegun but it was found to be too costy at the time i guess and they simply kept that old gun. and yes it is originated from Austria Hungary and i am positive about it's use by Hellenic Forces.

[Graf_Radetzky(CZ)]

hehe, greek army would be great for NML, Hotchkiss, St. Etienne etc. But, as wrote Panzergeneral, did they use Schwarzlose? It was Austro-hungarian.

yes they purchased some and there were talks back then to make a pure Hellenic machinegun but it was found to be too costy at the time i guess and they simply kept that old gun. and yes it is originated from Austria Hungary and i am positive about it's use by Hellenic Forces.

Thanks for info!
And the Mannlicher-Schönauer was type of Mannlicher (again A-H) rifle with other design purchased just to Greece, yep?

[Vincent Von Krüger]

yeah they did a few modifications and changes to best suit them but it was still an Mannlicher

[Duke_Dutch]

good idea's you guys have.
I found a tekst in one of my books about a Itallian MINETROWER and the picture was a bit bad but it lookt like some sort of mortar  (perhaps a Brixia Model 35 but I am not sure). Do you know something about that weapon? Its usability and Effectiveness are unclear to me.

[VonMudra]

A "minethrower" is the same thing as a mortar, just a more archaic name for it.  The Brixia was very fast firing, but very weak for a mortar.

Anyways, the main prob with getting the greeks ingame is that they would need full character models, statics, planes (gladiator), hand weapons, voices, etc; as well as the italians needing tankettes, falco biplane, etc.  Remember, the italan army has never been a finished army ingame, and prob won't be for a long time.

So basically you'd be creating 2 full armies for what, 1 map, 2 maps?  And oh yeah, the maps take a year to develop.


Sorry, but the devs aren't gonna be getting to the greek army for a long time, if ever.  Just the nature of the beast.

[MaJ.P.Bouras]

Well thinking about FH1 who got Finns and many other countries i was hoping that they would touch others in FH2 like Greece/China maybe even Spanish Civil war...Besides the only real difference in Winter war and the Greco-Italian war is the voices and the guns...Snow existed on both  .

[VonMudra]

Main reason we got those was because there was a LOT already done for us in BF1942.  They were building on a WW2 mod.  Also, quality was not an immediate concern as it is now, early FH1 builds used vanilla models and such.

Meanwhile, for FH2, everything is built from ground up except a few usable statics.  Its a much harder thing to do   And remember, FH2 might never be finished.  The mod team might (hopefully won't) close down.  They might move on to another engine for FH3 in a few years.  We don't know

[Vincent Von Krüger]

FH3 is a bit far in the future and the devs are still working on FH2.

also FH3 may or may not be using the BF series depending on what it needs

for the moment the devs should focus on FH2, and we should support them.

there will be a time for a sequel but the hour is yet to early for that.

all we can do for now is to wish the best for those people who has worked so hard and sacrificed time,energy,sweat,blood and tears for this project.

and well there is a good chance the Italy VS Greece Campaign maps and other stuff will come at a later release.

we just need to have patience.

[VonMudra]

No, there really isn't a good chance of that.  There's a far greater chance of the Ostfront.

And the only thing I said about FH3 is that if the dev team still exists, that would happen before a Grecian army.