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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: Mud Buddha on 01-06-2010, 12:06:00
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When replying to a thread just now I was curious about when FH first came into existence exactly. I went to wikipedia (sorry, probably would've found it on the FH homepage, but I'm a creature of habit) and I was surprised to see FH doesn't have it's own article. Is that some legal issue, or is it just a matter of "no one got around to it"?
Apologies if this topic is in the wrong category, but I thought "suggestions" would cover it. ;)
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Apparently, FH is not notable enough to have an article. I believe something about it needing to be published in a physical medium (i.e. a magazine or something) or else they'll just delete it.
For more info, check this thread (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=924.0). Oddly enough, almost exactly one year since this topic's been brought up...
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Haha, what bullshit, an online site asking for "physical" confirmation, how New Media! :s
But they apparently made sure the link between wikipedia and Forgotten hope is completely severed: I thought I remembered something about this from a while back so I did a search on this forum, but it came up empty.
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I believe the culprit was Goatopia :P
But I won't devulge any more info on that, I just know some people here still might remember Goatopia.
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It does not need to be a physical medium, but an external source nevertheless, preferably one that is well-known and reputable enough to qualify as a source. For example, if a major gaming website, preferably several, would write a piece on FH2, then it would be quite OK by Wikipedia's policy to create a page. In the absence of such articles and references to them, however, any FH2 page is self-promotion (banned) or original research (banned). Lately, they have also taken the stance that the pages should be of "general interest", which is IMHO quite artificial limitation and almost sounds like a weasel word by itself. ("Some would argue, that this page is not of general interest.")
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IIRC PR has own article :)
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Finnish wikipedia has it's own FH and FH2 articles (I wrote the latter and rewrote FH ;D), but we really need good english fh article.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_en_Bessin
We're mentioned there :P
Also, I think the not being "notable" enough reason was bullshit. The article someone added on Wikipedia about FH2 wasn't written to Wiki standards. Get someone with knowledge on Wikipedia standards to write the article and I'm sure it'll be accepted.
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Nah. For those wiki nerds it is barely ever to the standard's.
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LOL
Finnish wiki says that armour combat in fh2 is realistic as shots in bad angle bounce off ;D ;D ;D
Since when?
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Kev, maybe an idea to add these kind of links to FH2 in every war-related map or object ? :D
Every tank 'featured in FH2', every battle 'featured in FH2'. Muahaha
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LOL
Finnish wiki says that armour combat in fh2 is realistic as shots in bad angle bounce off ;D ;D ;D
Since when?
It does that on extreme angles (well on BF2 engine it's very bad but it is there). Go and check it, it's even on vBF2. Otherwise you would not even be able to do the 1 shot 1 kill tank shot trick on vbf2. But I have to agree that it would better to be "more realistic than vBF2" than "realistic". No game is fully realistic.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Forgotten_Hope_2
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Like Tiku-Orava stated there are some pages for FH, just not in English (and terribly outdated)..
Dutch wikipedia (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Hope)
Finish wikipedia (http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Hope)
Swedish wikipedia (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Hope)
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Didn't the dev team win a ModDB award some time ago? That could be cited as a souce
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Didn't the dev team win a ModDB award some time ago? That could be cited as a souce
Ye. Moddb awards are valuable sources.
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There were also a few magazine articles around and I think there was one small bit of either a podcast or a TV program.
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http://www.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/bf/battlefieldnewsdetail.aspx?site_id=UU1COM5Y-ZEUW-FIC6IS62&storyid=19755
EA mentions FH2 .
This site too
http://www.modrealms.com/modifications/totalconversions/forgotten-hope-2-v2-2/
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What you need to do is grab all those sources, and only use what they say to create the article. You can't use anything you yourself know, or what the FH site says. If you use what you know, you'll need to add [cite needed] after each sentence. If you use what the FH2 site says, you'll be advertising. Or something like that.
When creating lists of maps or equipment, you can use the FH2 site I guess.
(btw, anyone notice the idiots at EA claim FH2 is a mod depicting the "Great War"?)
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Wikipedia crushes dreams harder than Lightning.
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if you look up port en bessin on wikipedia FH2 is mentioned
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So why does PR and other mods get pages and we don't?????? There are some TOTALLY dead mods with no community that have wiki articles!
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So why does PR and other mods get pages and we don't?????? There are some TOTALLY dead mods with no community that have wiki articles!
PR has had more media coverage than FH2. They have had multiple Moddb awards, a mention from EA, an ingame Battlefield 2 ad, and a few magazine articles (cannot remember for the life of me, but they're there.)
The reason why FH2 isn't up there is because nobody has made the time to create a decent Wikipedia article. If you can do that and grab multiple reputable sources, then you'll have your Wikipedia page.
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So what, FH2 was on German tv during 2.1, they played Gazala.
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But that's German TV, which doesn't have as much effect as U.S. sources TBH.
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Anyone could write one that would be acceptable. The trick is:
1) Write it with the intention of informing people as to what FH2 is, and NOT as an advertisement for FH2. Have someone who has no interest in FH2 review it for balance. (wives and girlfriends are good for this)
2) Footnote absolutely everything. FH site and forums do not count as a source, (except maybe as a source for fan reaction to the game.) There have been a couple of valid sources named in this thread. Remember: You cannot say anything more about the game that what has already been said in those articles!
For example: if you want to include a mention of the artillery spotting system, but it was not mentioned in any of the source articles, then you can't include it.
Follow those rules and you should be able to write a thin, but acceptable article.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_en_Bessin
We're mentioned there :P
Also, I think the not being "notable" enough reason was bullshit. The article someone added on Wikipedia about FH2 wasn't written to Wiki standards. Get someone with knowledge on Wikipedia standards to write the article and I'm sure it'll be accepted.
07:05, 2 June 2010 71.140.2.71 (talk) (2,593 bytes) (Removed "Forgotten Hope 2", not reputable source.) (undo)
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We could make a listing of vehicles and equipment with links to make a fulfilling article. That will take some space and will be only content not advertisment.
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Forgotten Hope (FH) is a modification for Battlefield 1942. Forgotten hope was started in (insert year here) by (insert name here) to bring more gameplay and realism to the popular World war 2 game. Since then, Forgotten Hope 2 has been released for Battlefield 2. This time the mod takes the game back to World War 2 focusing so far, on the battles of North Africa and Normandy, France.
Here i started it, anyone is welcome to expand on it (note: i left out information i didnt know 100% about)
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there used to be quite a large article about FH on wikipeadia, but as stated, it got deleted ...
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I remember us being mentioned as a popular mod in the wikepedia article for BF2...