Modern AAA gaming

[NTH]

No Half life or Larry suit leisure ?? Only played 4 games on this list and regretted on of them.

[Kubador]

FC2? Most redundant triple-A FPS I've played.

[Kelmola]

FC2 was made with consoles in mind. FC1 - even considering the stupid twist with the supermutants - was a much better game, and was made for PC. (The only redeeming feature is the possible interpretation of FC2's ending, namely that the player is actually the Jackal and he imagines all that evil to have been made by another person as he's finally losing it, no doubt aided by that nasty strain of malaria - all the hints within the narrative actually point to this - but even that would make it just a mashup of Blood Diamond and Fight Club, whereas FC1 was more like Greatest Hits of Good Ol' Action Movies borrowing from absolutely ERRYWHERE, from Commando to Predator to Under Siege to Aliens to James Bond which made it pure ossumness despite those stupid mutants.)

[luftwaffe.be]

thx for the spoilers 

[THeTA0123]

Minecraft and Skyrim in top 10, come on.

skyrim should have been higher on the list, but minecraft is in the right spot. Farcry, however, is not. NOthing really exciting about that game.

Next you call Skyrim an amazing RPG, don't you?

of course not, its an amazing dragon genocide simulator

Skyrim is a great game but minecraft deserves a higher place

[Kelmola]

thx for the spoilers 

Welcome to 2012. Neither is exactly a new game. It's like I should avoid saying that OMFG SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE TYLER DURDEN IS THE NARRATOR BRUCE WILLIS WAS A GHOST ALL THE TIME VERBAL IS KEYSER SÖZE NORMAN BATES IS PLAYING HIS MOTHER DARTH VADER IS ANAKIN SKYWALKER THE WHOLE TRIP TO MARS IS WHAT AHNULD ORDERED AT REKALL PATRICK BATEMAN IS IMAGINING MOST OF THE EVENTS MEMENTO IS TOLD HALF BACKWARDS HALF FORWARDS THE PLANET OF THE APES IS POST-NUCLEAR EARTH ROSEBUD WAS A FRAKKING SLED THE "OTHERS" ARE REAL PEOPLE AND SHE AND HER KIDS ARE THE GHOSTS MANDY LANE IS THE KILLER KURTZ REALLY IS INSANE AND NOT JUST FALLEN OUT OF FAVOR TAXI DRIVER MIGHT BE JUST IMAGINING THE END THE WORLD WHERE NEO SACRIFICES HIMSELF IS JUST ANOTHER LEVEL OF THE MATRIX RIPLEY AND JONESY ARE THE ONLY SURVIVORS THE DRIVER IS IN FACT A SOCIOPATH BUT SURVIVES THE FILM RHWTT LEAVES SCARLETT IT WAS ALL JUST A GAME ORDERED AS BIRTHDAY PRESENT BY HIS BROTHER FRODO FAILS THE QUEST BUT GOLLUM COMPLETES IT BY ACCIDENT SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE BELLA BECOMES A VAMPIRE HERSELF SAM IS CLONED AND KILLED AGAIN AND AGAIN TO WORK ON THE MOON INDEFINITELY JIM PHELPS BETRAYS THE IMF TEAM IF A MOVIE PR A BOOK OR A GAME IS ONLY ENJOYABLE IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE TWIST IT WAS NOT WORTH YOUR TIME IN THE FIRST PLACE

[[130.Pz]S.Lainer]

FC2 was made with consoles in mind.

Really?  Because I bought it on the cheap for the console and I thought just the opposite.  Seemed like a really nice huge epic sprawling PC game (with a map editor!  Wee!!).  It is like after all the hard work they did to make a great looking, playing, and sounding game they knocked off for lunch and said "Ahh fuck it the PC crowed will have a ball modding with our awesome new engine!  Fuck those console shits!".
  Never have I been dumped into a game world full of such wonder and endless possibilities only to get 60+ in,  throw down the controller and say fucks this craptastic pile of repetitive garbage (I think I might have been on my 8000th convoy mission at the time)!  If anything Far Cry 2 was a great PC tech demo that they felt the need to sell as a game on the PS3. 

[cannonfodder]

@Lainer: Of course it is, the problem is these big companies are raking in the dough and they seem to be cutting corners to do it.

How much money, do Blizzard for example, need to make to able to provide D3 servers that are always online (periodic maintenance asides)?

Not to mention the number of games that have been released by the big publishers in the past couple of years with severe problems. It seems to be an accepted practice these days for them to release games without properly testing them, fixing problems that should have been caught pre-release through patches after they've taken our money.



@luftwaffe.be: Exactly, gotta love modern business practices and our throwaway society...



@Natty: Ok, so the Transformers was a bad example, but there's been more than a few stand-alone movies that have suffered pointless sequels after success at the box-office.

Of course there's long term plans in the gaming industry, there's no chance EA would let DICE sink that much time and money into FB2 if they weren't going to get their money's worth out of it.

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the majority of EA games released in the few years aren't based on it (or a variant thereof), not to mention games from other developers/publishers using it under license.

I guess it just shits me that the top end of the games industry is playing it safe with this "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude.


And yes mate, I do vote with my wallet, I gave up on mainstream movies a looong time ago. Unless it's something I'm particularly interested in, I just wait 'til it's screened on TV.

Now I've started doing it with games too. 



@Kelmola: Dwarf Fortress was 28th. No IL-2, only conventional flying games were DCS:A-10C Warthog (85th) and Rise of Flight (75th).


@NTH: No LSL games, HL came 12th.



Want me to post the whole list?

[Ciupita]

Post the whole list.

[Natty]

@Natty: Ok, so the Transformers was a bad example, but there's been more than a few stand-alone movies that have suffered pointless sequels after success at the box-office.

Can you link me to a universal/objective tool that can deem if a movie is "pointless" or not?

I guess it just shits me that the top end of the games industry is playing it safe with this "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude.

What attitude do you think the industry should have then, and how do you see that attitude coming in to effect?

And yes mate, I do vote with my wallet, I gave up on mainstream movies a looong time ago. Unless it's something I'm particularly interested in, I just wait 'til it's screened on TV.

ok...? I fail to see the point here. Games and movies will keep selling and being produced no matter what anyone of us do or doesn't do. What is the point of even discussing it on the internet? I mean...really. EA's studios create the games they want to make, and the people who wants to play them buys them, simple as that. There's not really more to it than that, is it?

[cannonfodder]

@Natty: You're taking it too literally.

When I say "pointless", I'm talking about crap like The Hangover 2, a movie that's the same as the first...just set in a different place.

Or how about Predators? The whole point of which was obviously to make a quick buck, considering it's nothing more than an 90 minute lead-in to the next movie. It should've been called "Predators (Part 1)".



What I think about their attitude and what they should do doesn't matter, like you said, they'll keep pumping out games no matter what.

...Customers are like voters, with an interesting dilemma:
- As long as you buy the games, you support the studios and help them create new innovations and create new experiences for you. At the same time you also support them in keep doing what they are doing...

My point was I gave up on movies because I wasn't getting any value for money.

Same reason I'm no longer going to support studios that can't get their shit together and release games that work properly on day one, or are responsible "dumbing down" games so that they appeal to more casual gamers (read: so that they make more money)...not enough value for money.


Sure, I'm not going to change the world by myself, but I'm far from the only one who's sick of it...




I'll post the rest of the list tomorrow.



EDIT: Attached the whole list.

[Kelmola]

What the actual... The weakest entry in the glorious X-Wing series, XvT, is the only game of that series on the list, and no Wing Commanders either? NV is the only Fallout? No Steel Panthers (which have born three indie sequels long after the supposed death of the series), no Paradox's heavy strategies, only Total War is Shogun 2? Oh well, at least there's Blade Runner, Jagged Alliance 2, XCOM, MOO2, and Star Control 2, among other classics, but still.

Also, considering that this is a list "Reasons why we are PC gamers", there are lots and lots of multiplatform titles (and of REALLY varying quality at that) also, some of them very recent (Arkham Asylum is a reason to be a PC gamer? O RLY?)

[Goljatti]

But EA?

Dead space 1 and 2 where amazing, but not developed by EA. Now comes Dead space 3 and it looks horrible....CO-OP, human combat, the entire weapon system is overhauled and made......simpler...An universal ammo layout

Last time I checked, Dead Space 3 is still developed by Vicereal games (not EA, eventho Vicereal is a subcompany of EA), the same company that made DS1 and 2. You say that EA has "ruined" that game series, I say that's bullshit.

Anwser me honestly, do you wan't a game that is mechanically same as Dead Space 2? That nothing needs to be changed? Everything should be same apart from the setting of the game?

I have read people crying about this Co-Op option (note. option). I would understand the outcry about Co-op if it was forced on player. But no, it's OPTIONAL.

Also the cry about that there are humans as enemies is also something I don't understand, why is it so bad? We have seen that there are humans as enemies atleast on one or two level and I doubt that there are many levels where humans are enemies.

Weapon system has been simple on every DS game on PC and consoles. You have slots for four weapons and you get ammo from crates or bying them from shop.
Now in DS3, we have one big gun that has multiple guns attached to it. <- So I have undestanded from trailers but I need more info to understand it fully.

I think these new changes are good. Changes are allways good to certain point. If there would be only humans as enemies and setting is a colourfull amusement park in daylight, then I would say that something is f*cked up. But the same elements are still there from last games, only some certain things have changed but Dead Space 3 is still looking to be a survival- and horror game.

So tell me Theta, why are these changes so bad? Or do you just blame EA for everything because thats easy way of telling that you are too stupid to understand that changes are needed to be made that gameseries stays interesting?

I say, wait for demo or more info, stop crying and most importantly, shut up.
When a guy/girl has played actuall demo of the game, then he has a right to criticize changes made on the game. Basing you critic on trailers or something you read on a website is stupid.

[SiCaRiO]

witch lead us to trailers been stupid for games. Movies have trailers, games have demos.

[Natty]

- A lot of people enjoyed Hangover 2, so it's not pointless.
- what's wrong with casual games?
- what does "dumb down" mean?
- Predator is a big big franchise with multiple movie and game projects attached to it, dunno what your rant is about it.
- there's no need to have 100% perfect working games on release day anymore, you choose to play on PC, then you can enjoy games being patched regularly as well, be happy you dont need to wait 6 months to download an .exe anymore, you get the fixes automatically nowadays, go make a sandwich and the game has updated when you come back
- EA isn't making any games, studios do. EA just publishes them. Dead Space isnt "made" by EA.
- trailers for games are superb as marketing tools. Makes people buy the games, the end.
- etc....

gosh, this tidying is tiresome.