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Announcements => Developer Blogs => Topic started by: chad509 on 18-03-2012, 06:03:26
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Hey guys, mixed up another animation preview demo for you guys. Hope you enjoy. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiP-21uKUY8
-Chad509
FH2 Animator
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Were those Russian weapons at the end?
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Christ, the Gewehr 43 and the MP40 feel very violent now. Love the character of the new animations! ;D
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Very nice, the mousin nagant looks like a winner to me :P
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Nice to see a video with Soviet guns :D
and with such great work
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lol, I got to admit that at first I was only listening to the music, had to restart to actually see the g43. From which brilliantly shameless orientalist movie is this the soundtrack? Now that I mention it, I really should see Lawrence of Arabia again :P
I especially like the G43, it's snappy and mean, the walking animation makes it look more bulky as well. It really give the impression that you're in a stressful situation. I miss this a bit with the mp40 reload animation. Though an improvement to the original I seem to be taking my time (especially with the second half of the reload anim) whilst having picked the next mag out of my magpouch really fast, bordering to too quickly.
The mg42 anims are great, but again the reloadanim is awkward. it's great to see the view change more directly to what you're doing, really immersive, but where does that new mag come from so quickly? I haven't even taken out the previous one! (or haven't seen myself do this, even so the new mag is there extremely quickly) ;)
I like the Bar, especially the reload animation as it's clean and careful, without being too slow or too clean. in the walking animation the weapon is held at seemingly a bit of an awkward height in my opinion though
Mosin-Nagant is great as well, the bolting and reloading animations are both hasty and constrained (you're under pressure but you know what you're doing, veteranstyle), looks very good!
The Svt-41(? never really got the differences between the 39 to 41 versions ;))'s reloadinganim is a bit more passive, I'm also not much of a fan of this way of reloading but I understand having all weapons go up would become repetitive.
I tried to provide you with some constructive criticism, hope to've been of help!
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The Svt-41(? never really got the differences between the 39 to 41 versions )
SVT-40, since it's the one thats render has been showed. Differences between SVT-38 and 40:
-Shorter bayonet
-Different mag release (40 pushed upward, 38 pushed forward) to prevent mags accidentally falling off.
-Barrel cleaning rod under the barrel in 40, in 38 it's in a groove in the side of the stock.
-40 has a one-piece stock, while 38 has two-piece.
-40 is lighter and overall more reliable.
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The SVT look so similar to an AK 47. Has the Ak 47 been developed by the same guys? And can the AK 47 be called an predecessor of the AK 47?
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No, the AK 47 is the AK 47.
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The SVT look so similar to an AK 47. Has the Ak 47 been developed by the same guys? And can the AK 47 be called an predecessor of the AK 47?
That would be the MP44.
As for the video. Excellent new animations!
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The SVT look so similar to an AK 47. Has the Ak 47 been developed by the same guys? And can the AK 47 be called an predecessor of the AK 47?
That would be the MP44.
StG44 and AK-47 use similar cartridge... (AK47 uses SKS' 7,62x39) ...and that is pretty much where the similarities end.
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euhm
7.92x33 and 7.62x39 have completly diffrent performance area's
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What does this have do do with new first person animations?
Luv the MG42 reload, now it feels like I am reloading a weapon of Death
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The mosin looks of less quality, or is it because of the colors or because it is wip ???.
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StG44 and AK-47 use similar cartridge... (AK47 uses SKS' 7,62x39) ...and that is pretty much where the similarities end.
I mean, that the MP44 is the predecessor to the AK47, I know that there's some other auto rifles, but this was the first used as the real assault rifle, and mass producted And of course, the AK used the M1 garand and other designs to make the AK47.
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Russian weapons are awesome ! And they sound good too !
I like the MG42 animation, look less robotic, and I like the MP40 folding stock animation too.
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Russian weapons nice. I long waiting It.
Thanks dev!
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Like the new BAR animation, and the effects of bullets hitting walls and the ground is way better! Should really jazz up combat
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The mosin looks of less quality, or is it because of the colors or because it is wip ???.
Have to agree with you there. Dimensions all seemed screwed up somehow.
Bolt looks so fat while rifle looks so skinny. And colours aren't too impressive.
Might be WIP, but dimensions still feel weird. It actually beats the Italian rifles as the ugliest looking rifle ingame.
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Such a Bullshit, it´s same quality as all Handhelds
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The model quality yes, but I have the feeling that at least the SVT40 si scaled wrong, it looks really small in the player model hands.
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Such a Bullshit, it´s same quality as all Handhelds
IMO, it seems pretty skinny and the color doesn't give you the impression of a wooden weapon like the other guns, nor does the metal parts feel like the metal of say, the STG44. And so the bolt seems thrown together rather than realistic. I know the person is aiming down the sites, but it comes across as looking from behind a narrow pole.
Its a matter of opinion really.
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For me the Mosin Nagant reload should be slower, as the shitty corrosive ammo sticks the bolt a lot.
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For me the Mosin Nagant reload should be slower, as the shitty corrosive ammo sticks the bolt a lot.
Luckily it is actually a real soldier using the gun, not you.
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Such a Bullshit, it´s same quality as all Handhelds
IMO, it seems pretty skinny and the color doesn't give you the impression of a wooden weapon like the other guns, nor does the metal parts feel like the metal of say, the STG44. And so the bolt seems thrown together rather than realistic. I know the person is aiming down the sites, but it comes across as looking from behind a narrow pole.
Its a matter of opinion really.
I have to agree. Those models look very bad in comparison to the other handheld weapons.
But great job with the animations chad509.
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Luckily it is actually a real soldier using the gun, not you.
I just think that compared to the Mauser K98K reload is faster, as fast as the Lee Enfield or a little bit quicker and the Mosin Nagant action should be less fast.
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It's hard to have an idea of the quality of the Mosin Nagant on a youtube video. I wait to see it ingame or in a render.
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I mean, that the MP44 is the predecessor to the AK47,
Has been widely accepted that this is Not the case.
Russia had been experimenting with assault rifles in the 1910 already (Italy already in 1905) and russia developed an intermediate cartigde before WW2. They also had several good prototypes but because of the start of WW2, Stalin felt it was impossibru to introduce a complete new standard cartidge. And Full auto prototypes already existed before The MKB 42 series.The one i talk about is the 7.62x41mm cartridge developed by Elisarov and Semin in 1942.
Mikhail kalasnikov had many good prototypes aswel but he felt it could be cheaper and better.
He based the locking lugs and trigger of the M1A1carbine/M1 garand(Based, not copied). The safety mechanism of the remington model 8
And he based the layout somewhat on the Mp44. And a few parts of the gas system where also used, together with other rifle designs.
This eventually became the AK. Any firearm designer will agree with the AK47. Why reinvent the wheel?
Each designer seems to have his own paths, his own successes and failures. But one thing is clear: before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field
While Mikhail kalash denied for years that the STG44 had anything to do with AK47, in the last decades he admitted that he used some of its design. Appearntly he was sick of hearing that people call the AK47 an "STG44 Russian copy". You cant blame the man for this.
As the STG44 took other design elements, so did the AK47. So did the FG42, Garand and others.
Very few weapon designs are identical.
The 7.62x39mm M43 issent exactly based on the 7.92x33. Both are completly diffrent designs. But if you would take an identical factory, you make both these rounds of simular quality and put them in simular guns, the 7.62x39 would win against the 7.92x33
In other words=The russians (And mikhail kalashikov) had been experimenting with assault rifles far before the germans. But because of wartime situations they dropped it. Otherwise they would have had it before the germans.
The germans proofed however, by taking a risk, they COULD introduce a new weapon +cartidge in a war. It dint changed the war, but you have to respect that super stubborn mentality.
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Absolutely splendid video! Many thanks to Devs and Beta Testers for your hard and excellent work. 8)
Also loving the El Cid soundtrack by Miklós Rózsa. 8)
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In other words=The russians (And mikhail kalashikov) had been experimenting with assault rifles far before the germans. But because of wartime situations they dropped it. Otherwise they would have had it before the germans.
I always thought wars were the best times for weapon developers, as their products are the most needed then. Also, many other Russian weapons were introduced during the war, so simply stating "they dropped it because of the war" is a tad too simple, imo.
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In other words=The russians (And mikhail kalashikov) had been experimenting with assault rifles far before the germans. But because of wartime situations they dropped it. Otherwise they would have had it before the germans.
I always thought wars were the best times for weapon developers, as their products are the most needed then. Also, many other Russian weapons were introduced during the war, so simply stating "they dropped it because of the war" is a tad too simple, imo.
You don't introduce a new standard infantry bullet in the middle of a total war for survival. The germans only did it because they were batshit insane and there is evidence that they would have actually ran out of ammunition for their StG44 is the war had dragged on for as little as 2 months because production could not keep up with demand. The Russians did not introduce many new infantry weapons during the war. They actually stopped producing the complicated Tokarev SVT40 because the old mosin nagant was easier to manufacture and use. The PPsh41, PPS42 and PPS43 are basically simplifications of existing designs, using ammunition already in use pre-war. While they did use some experimental or stop-gap measure weapons like the AVT40, these were all derived from already existing and mass produced weapons. Because that's how you win a war, not by mass introducing experimental weapons that require massive restructuring of an industry that should be churning out stuff non-stop.
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...these were all derived from already existing and mass produced weapons. Because that's how you win a war, not by mass introducing experimental weapons that require massive restructuring of an industry that should be churning out stuff non-stop.
I agree, we all know how the Shermans fared vs the Panzers. But still, most weapons are introduced in wars and in the periods leading up to them (few years before the war breaks out, some people stretch this period too long). I'm not only talking about WW2 then, btw.
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great job on these animations. All weapon animations look a lot more intricate and natural (finger joint movements, etc.) I bet that was a ton of work to achieve. The MP40 appears to have a new sound file as well, sounds great.
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Thanks for the positive feedback everyone ;D
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The SVT look so similar to an AK 47. Has the Ak 47 been developed by the same guys? And can the AK 47 be called an predecessor of the AK 47?
The SVT-38 and -40 were developed by Tokarev. The rifle that came before it, the AVS-36, was a hunk of junk developed by Simonov. The SKS was based off the AVS-36, and it came out in 1945 and actually saw action in Berlin.
The AK-47 and the STG-44 are completely different. The only design element they share is the long stroke gas piston. The STG uses a stamped, enclosed upper receiver, a tilting bolt, a removable trigger group, and a slide-in magazine well (it actually has quite a few design elements in common with the G3 and CETME rifles, which were based on the STG-45). The AK-47 uses a machined (later stamped with the AKM in 1963) receiver, a rotating bolt, a receiver cover, a built in trigger group, and a rock-in style magazine well.
As you can see, they are completely different. However, they were developed only a few years apart. There is a rifle based largely on the STG-44 though; the Czech VZ.58.
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Awesome work Chad, you're the man!
Thanks so much for taking the time to show the community what you've been working on too. We certainly appreciate all the hard work it takes to make these weapons come to life, but also that you went the extra mile to put together a demo video to keep everyone up to date.
Keep up the great work!
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Awesome work Chad, you're the man!
Thanks so much for taking the time to show the community what you've been working on too. We certainly appreciate all the hard work it takes to make these weapons come to life, but also that you went the extra mile to put together a demo video to keep everyone up to date.
Keep up the great work!
It's my pleasure ;D. I do it for all you FH2 fans. Thanks for watching.
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I recommend that the soldiers left hand on the Mosin Nagant to be move a bit forward from rifles magazine, unless they did actually hold the rifle by its magazine, they didnt right? Because the hand's holding position makes it look like the soldier is holding it a bit awkwardly.
Also the Bar should be lowered a tiny bit so the player can see more of the battlefield than his gun.
Im pretty sure everyone's talking about the awkward dimensions the russian rifles have.
Other than that, Damn good job! This is possibly better quality than DICE's work based on the tools you guys have at your disposal, almost like a normal man being able to create something great with ordinary tools compared to the high budget business man making something...not so great. Very good work!
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Russian weapons? Awww Yeaaah! 8) hope to see more of these later. :) good job!